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Speaker 1: The John Anick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him. I can't get enough of him. Big

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Speaker 2: job product. There are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be here, So glad to be here.

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Speaker 4: And I hope wherever you are in your life and

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Speaker 4: whatever your day holds, that you are in park.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be where you are. Ken Fluoll looks glad

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Speaker 1: to be here.

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Speaker 4: Maybe because he's just a lethal weapon wherever he is

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Speaker 4: on any given day, you know, and at some point

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Speaker 4: in his life he did maximize human form right like

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Speaker 4: the Greek maybe profit said you should try to do

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Speaker 4: as a man an a camp Florian podcast is live today.

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Speaker 4: It's a Monday, September twenty three, twenty twenty four, or

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Speaker 4: five hundred and fourteenth show, Ken Flow, How are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I am very glad to be here. I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 5: I actually went camping with the kids.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Dude, our first family camping.

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Speaker 5: I didn't grow up camping, but it was there's always

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Speaker 5: something I wanted to do. Took the family camping a

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Speaker 5: little bit. So I'm grateful to be in a bed

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Speaker 5: like my back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not out for.

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Speaker 2: Camping, dude, but it was a good time. It was

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Speaker 2: a good time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think I've gotten tougher when it comes to camping.

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Speaker 4: I guess as I've gotten older, but I would probably

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Speaker 4: have to prove that in that setting. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean doctor Gus Florian just too busy saving lives

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Speaker 4: to take the kids camping.

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Speaker 1: I don't tell you guys out.

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Speaker 4: There, you know, would you rather medical people save lives

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Speaker 4: or take kids like Ken Flow camping?

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Speaker 1: Now you're playing all for of other things.

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Speaker 4: But well that's cool, yeah, man, and he any great

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Speaker 4: stories when it comes to this camping trip. Did you

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Speaker 4: get eaten a live? Or should we lean into the positives?

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Speaker 1: Perhaps?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: All things considered?

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Speaker 5: It what pretty well had a little bit of trouble

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well then in my head, I'm like, this

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Speaker 5: is survival. Like Kenny, you got to stay for your

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Speaker 5: family here, you got to do something.

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Speaker 2: You figuring it out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, naked in a fret, naked and afret. So

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Speaker 4: when the UFC has an off week, it gives us

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Speaker 4: an opportunity to dive into some MMA topics before we

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Speaker 4: do that. Did you happen to see Anthony Joshua's weekend

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Speaker 4: not great for him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, I saw the finish.

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Speaker 2: I saw the finish.

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Speaker 5: It went from looking like he was doing well to

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Speaker 2: So crazy stuff there, dude.

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Speaker 4: We don't do a lot of boxing stuff in part

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Speaker 4: sport in totality over the years. Right, A lot of

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Speaker 4: holding want the referees to get in there. But big

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Speaker 4: rematch clause Teddy atlts I guess said something about skill

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Speaker 4: versus will, so we congratulate the underdog Daniel Dubois. Demetrius Johnson,

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Speaker 4: by the way, was getting on himself publicly after this

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Speaker 4: on X for suggesting that Anthony Joshua would beat Francis

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Speaker 4: don't know that it's this wild suggestion. I like the

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Speaker 4: Mighty Mouse. Demetrius Johnson but yeah, it's interesting when you

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Speaker 4: see Anthony Joshua do what he did to Francis and Gano,

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Speaker 4: combat sports will humble men.

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Speaker 5: There's no question about that. You know, people forget listen.

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Speaker 5: Francis has some takedowns in his repertoire. I would see him,

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Speaker 5: think Anthony is such an excellent power puncher that if

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Speaker 5: But defensively, there was a lot to be desired there,

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Speaker 4: Somebody wrote to me that it looked fake, and I

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Speaker 4: certainly am not going to lean into that, but it

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Speaker 4: wasn't the most deafening fist or maybe the most perfect

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Speaker 4: And it's an MMA podcast, So that's enough about that.

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Speaker 4: Headlines brought to you by Cuervo. Now is a good

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Speaker 4: time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. So I'm

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Speaker 4: going to leave the show with Raoul Rosas Junior if

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Speaker 4: I could. He told MMA Junkie in Spanish that he

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Speaker 4: is ready for top fifteen competition. And the reason I'm

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Speaker 4: leading with this today, Kenny, is more about the big

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Speaker 4: picture nature of this quotation as it applies to maybe

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Speaker 4: athletes not born in two thousand and four still shy

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Speaker 4: of birthday number fucking twenty.

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Speaker 1: So here it is.

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Speaker 4: The thing about me is that I like challenges. I

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Speaker 4: I feel comfortable fighting a Top fifteen opponent. Personally, I

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Speaker 4: But more importantly, the UFC so they can keep giving

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Speaker 4: me fights toward the belt. That's what I ask for,

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Speaker 4: somebody ranked either way. If I don't get someone in

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Speaker 4: his mentality has been very consistent. Now, perhaps he was

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Speaker 4: a little cocky for Daniel Cormier's liking in our first

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Speaker 4: and they actually talked about that in advance of this

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Speaker 1: But Kenny, he's a kid who knows what he.

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Speaker 1: But I just love the kid.

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Speaker 4: I love the mentality and I love the quote, so

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Speaker 4: I brought it to your attention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love the confidence as well.

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Speaker 5: I do think Phil that that's a lot of youth

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Speaker 5: talking a lot of inexperienced talking, however, and I would

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Speaker 5: guess what. From here on out, you'll only get top

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Speaker 2: But I would say, you know.

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Speaker 5: Take another maybe fight or two before he gets into

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Speaker 5: I love that mentality. That's a guy that, if you

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Speaker 4: The other thing about it, and I don't know how

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Speaker 4: he's been advised internally, And I like your perspective, however,

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Speaker 4: counter to mine is just you never know, man, Right,

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Speaker 4: like Ala Toong. Hey, Lee, Yeah, the challenges are going

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Speaker 4: to get stiffer. I don't want to put you on

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Speaker 1: What there's Montel Jackson, I think in the top fifteen.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think Rob font is a way better

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Speaker 5: he has shown vulnerabilities on the ground that potentially roast

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Speaker 4: My favorite part of the quote, and the reason I

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Speaker 1: He's thinking, man, just wait to see what I can

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Speaker 4: So I like the kid and Alex Poeton Padata could

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Speaker 4: partners or friends on Instagram and saying chee wee Wee's

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Speaker 4: I rest my case, O love all right? Coming up

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Speaker 4: later today will be joined by A Nacio Bamndes and

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Speaker 4: Mike Valley out of Chicago, Illinois. But now with us

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Speaker 4: on the guest line, the man whom I considered to

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Speaker 4: be the greatest mixed martial arts resource and living or deceased.

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Speaker 4: All right, John can't hear us? And I wrote an

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Speaker 4: intro for a resource like this. Look at this backdrop.

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Speaker 4: This man lives on a farm in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: That's not what it looks like. We will get to.

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Speaker 1: Big John McCarthy. But Poeton chiweuwi's all the rage.

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Speaker 4: All right, We'll go back to the two shot and

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Speaker 4: circle up with Big John McCarthy. Yeah, I understand the

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Speaker 4: slow year roll thing when it comes to nineteen year olds.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure if Daniel Cormier heard this, he'd be like, dude,

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Speaker 4: enough leading your podcast with Raoul Rosas Junior. But I

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Speaker 4: think Poeton had a podcast and if he does, I

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Speaker 4: apologize for not listening.

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Speaker 1: He might have led with Raouel Rosas Junior as well.

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Speaker 4: So Daniel Cormier has suggested that neither John Jones nor

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Speaker 4: Steepe Amachich will fight Tom Aspinall no matter what happens

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Speaker 4: in November at Madison Square.

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Speaker 1: Guard Yes, accurate.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Kenny, I would imagine you don't have any

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Speaker 4: sort of counter argument. It's just the perfect storm of

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Speaker 4: unfortune for Tom Aspinall, with these two all timers that

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Speaker 5: I wonder and perhaps this is some information that's been

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me now?

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's one thing I consider to be the

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Speaker 4: So I figured you should hear your intro former MMA referee.

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Speaker 4: Your contributions obviously extends so far beyond that. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 2: You're a good liar. I appreciate that, John, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see what.

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Speaker 4: We'll see what twenty twenty five holds. But it's great

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Speaker 6: Man, I'll tell you what. The farm is kicking my ass.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. Yeah. We actually, I gotta talk. I

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Speaker 5: So that was great, you know, One of the things

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Speaker 2: Do we increase it? Does that help anything? I honestly don't.

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Speaker 6: I've done many shows with five judges, and it doesn't

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Speaker 6: It to where in any close fight, I don't care

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Speaker 2: And it's not a robbery. It was a close fight.

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Speaker 6: It's it's not controversial when you sit in that seat.

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Speaker 4: But we do it backwards, Kenny, it must be said

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Speaker 4: See my questions today, Kenny, actually were more like, would

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Speaker 6: It can absolutely ruin your thoughts of being a veterinary.

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Speaker 4: Yet so I struggle when we have you on because

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Speaker 2: You know, I have no problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they could hear fucking Joe Lo's on scream and

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Speaker 4: Great Big John McCarthy with us live on the Anakin

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Speaker 6: not what Herb is doing.

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Speaker 2: Herb is trying. People have to understand.

443
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Speaker 6: Herb is sitting in a position where he answers not

444
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Speaker 6: only to you know, the fighters and the fans and

445
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Speaker 6: every this where he has people that he has to

446
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Speaker 6: answer to in the commission and many times when you

447
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Speaker 6: have a fight where you have someone like Morob is

448
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Speaker 6: he's doing his job that he's moving around in a

449
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Speaker 6: circle trying to get Sean to come into him. Herb

450
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Speaker 6: knows that he's not gonna change anything that's going on

451
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Speaker 6: with the fight, but he's trying to just he is

452
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Speaker 6: pushing basically saying, hey, work, meaning I need you to

453
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Speaker 6: do something offensive. Show me that you're not going to

454
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Speaker 6: just be in this position where you're moving around in

455
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Speaker 6: a circle where you're being in the in the layman's terms,

456
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Speaker 6: you're being timid, and the timidity of the factors you're

457
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Speaker 6: avoiding the fight.

458
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Speaker 2: I can't have you avoid the fight. As long as

459
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Speaker 2: you're going.

460
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Speaker 6: After the fight in any fashion that makes common sense

461
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Speaker 6: to the common people, I'm gonna let you go. So

462
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Speaker 6: what herb was trying to do is just kind of

463
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Speaker 6: push him in that direction. I'm not saying it's always right,

464
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Speaker 6: and most of the time I'm gonna tell you it's

465
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Speaker 6: best just to.

466
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Speaker 2: Shut your mouth.

467
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Speaker 6: Yeah, But in that position, you know, with the spear

468
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Speaker 6: and everything, and you know you're trying to make a

469
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Speaker 6: good show. As a I tell referees all the time

470
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Speaker 6: when i'm teaching. Look, as a referee, you cannot make

471
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Speaker 6: a bad fight good. And I'm not saying that was

472
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Speaker 6: a bad fight, But you can't make a bad fight good.

473
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Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen.

474
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Speaker 6: But you can definitely make a good fight bad, and

475
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Speaker 6: you have to be very careful of what you're doing.

476
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Speaker 2: So that doesn't occur. That's great, Stop that, big John.

477
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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think is the most common mistake.

478
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Speaker 2: You see a referee do out there? Oh?

479
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Speaker 6: Man, the most common mistake you're going to see is

480
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Speaker 6: what I call being indecisive. Your job is to be

481
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Speaker 6: a person that makes a decision and makes it now,

482
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Speaker 6: and a lot of the ways of doing that is

483
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Speaker 6: to put yourself in those positions before the thing ever occurs.

484
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Speaker 6: So you know, if this happens, this is what I'm

485
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Speaker 6: gonna do. You know, Yeah, I'll go back to herb

486
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Speaker 6: In the you know, Morob versus Sean fight, you have

487
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Speaker 6: the instance where it started off with.

488
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Speaker 2: Basically Tim Welch.

489
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Speaker 6: And Morob kind of you know, talking to each other,

490
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Speaker 6: which is not allowed, and her quickly tried to stop it,

491
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Speaker 6: nip it in the bud, and he kind of did

492
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Speaker 6: because he had already thought about it, and he already talked.

493
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Speaker 2: About it, and he knew what he was gonna do.

494
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Speaker 6: Then we go to the part where Morob's got shown

495
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Speaker 6: up against the cage and he starts kissing his back

496
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Speaker 6: and you look at that, for instance, and that caught

497
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Speaker 6: him off guard and he you don't prepare.

498
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Speaker 5: For that as a referee, John, you know, you don't

499
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Speaker 5: have that in your class and talk about that.

500
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Speaker 6: You know what, It's funny because I actually had thought

501
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Speaker 6: about it, because I'd watched it in a boxing match

502
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Speaker 6: long ago, and I said, Okay, this is what I

503
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Speaker 6: would do. And so you look and you put yourself

504
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 6: in those positions, you know exactly where you're going to go.

505
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Speaker 2: Well, Herb was kind of like, what do I do?

506
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Speaker 6: And Morob gets up and he actually interferes where Look,

507
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Speaker 6: Shawn had a chance at possibly hurting Marob because Morob's

508
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Speaker 6: turning his back. In MMA, you turn your back, you

509
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 6: can be attacked. It's not boxing. And so it could

510
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Speaker 6: have been that Sean landed a kick, landed a punch

511
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Speaker 6: that hurt Morob. And that's all on Morob for being

512
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Speaker 6: the guy that decided to get up and walk away.

513
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Speaker 6: You can do that, but you're going to pay the consequences. Possibly,

514
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Speaker 6: But Herban that instance wasn't sure what to do and

515
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Speaker 6: was indecisive, and it showed.

516
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Speaker 5: Mister Anik asked me last week if there was a

517
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Speaker 5: change that I would like to see as far as

518
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Speaker 5: the MMA rules go. I'm going to ask you the

519
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Speaker 5: same thing, Well, what is something in your mind that

520
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Speaker 5: you would like to see changed as far as rules

521
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Speaker 5: for mixed martial arts?

522
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Speaker 2: Oh man, there's so many, I'm telling you. It was

523
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Speaker 2: the biggest one. That's at least they.

524
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Speaker 6: Took care of one and a half. You know, with

525
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Speaker 6: the down, it's just ridiculous.

526
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Speaker 2: You know.

527
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Speaker 6: I can go back to when that you know, was

528
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 6: being hashed out in two thousand and one in New

529
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Speaker 6: Jersey and it was like, that's the stupidest thing ever.

530
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Speaker 2: And I was finally told. I kept on arguing and.

531
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Speaker 6: Lorenzo Fotita looked at me as a Johnt let it go,

532
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Speaker 6: And I'm thinking this is stupid, but you know, I

533
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Speaker 6: let it go. And it lasted for twenty five years

534
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 6: basically being a stupid rule. But you know, I'm gonna

535
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Speaker 6: be honest, if I was going to open things up, uh,

536
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Speaker 6: rule wise and everything, I would change, even with the

537
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Speaker 6: grounded fighter that we were doing today, Like.

538
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Speaker 2: I was part of that.

539
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Speaker 6: I kind of wrote that out and it's gonna it's

540
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Speaker 6: gonna change the fights and it's good.

541
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Speaker 2: But I think they need to go more.

542
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Speaker 6: I do think that they need to have the ability

543
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Speaker 6: to need someone on the ground.

544
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Speaker 2: Uh.

545
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Speaker 6: Too many people use rules to hide and put themselves

546
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Speaker 6: in positions where it's not a safe position, but it

547
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Speaker 6: is based upon a rule. A rule should not be

548
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Speaker 6: what protects protects you in the fight. It's your skill set,

549
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Speaker 6: you know. It's like, Kenny, you were one of the

550
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 6: smartest fighters I ever dealt with. You know, when it

551
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 6: came to being in the case, you were incredibly smart

552
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Speaker 6: about what you where you should place your body, what

553
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Speaker 6: you should do in a given situation. And so are

554
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Speaker 6: other fighters. Not all, but some of them use the

555
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: rules incredibly well to protect themselves when it should be

556
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Speaker 6: their skill set, not a set of rules.

557
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Speaker 4: Sitting off to the side, Big John McCarthy with us

558
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Speaker 4: here on the ancon Floryan podcast.

559
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Speaker 1: I have a million questions.

560
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Speaker 4: So Dona Cruz told me to do better publicly, he

561
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Speaker 4: was like, do better yesterday.

562
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Speaker 1: Thanks Tom.

563
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Speaker 4: When I suggested weightcutting was maybe one of the bigger

564
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 4: issues in MMA that I would like to attack, he

565
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: doesn't think it's a problem. Athlete mentality and all of

566
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Speaker 4: those things. I guess, in short, do you think it's

567
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Speaker 4: a problem.

568
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely a problem.

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Speaker 6: Okay, anything that when you take a look at look

570
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Speaker 6: at fighting. I'm never gonna lie to anyone. MMA is

571
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Speaker 6: a violent sport, Okay's but it has elements that take

572
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Speaker 6: the violence and minimize it based upon someone's skill set

573
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Speaker 6: and their ability to defend themselves. You know, it's in

574
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Speaker 6: that area that it evens out with the violence and

575
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Speaker 6: the danger of it. The skill sets of the fighters

576
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Speaker 6: help make it to where those things don't occur. When

577
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 6: you talk about weightcutting, you're talking about someone who is

578
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Speaker 6: putting themselves in a health risk before going into an

579
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Speaker 6: athletic competition that can alter their life and doing exactly

580
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 6: the opposite of what we want. You take a look

581
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Speaker 6: at all all sports, Look at NFL, NHL, major League Baseball.

582
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Speaker 6: They all have chefs, they all have people that are

583
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Speaker 6: there for nutritional advice. They're there, they have all the

584
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Speaker 6: people there for their medicals, and they do everything they

585
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 6: can to put that athlete in the prime of their

586
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Speaker 6: ability to you know, compete.

587
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Speaker 2: And what do we do.

588
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: We have them dehydrate themselves to the point of possible

589
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 6: health risk and then say, okay, I expect you to fight.

590
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Speaker 2: Well.

591
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Speaker 6: We need to do something for weight cutting, because yes,

592
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 6: there are people that do it well and there are

593
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 6: people that don't do it well.

594
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: And when you're taking a look.

595
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Speaker 6: At most of the people in the top elements like

596
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Speaker 6: the UFC, they do it pretty well.

597
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Speaker 2: Not all and some go.

598
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Speaker 6: Too far, but they do it pretty well, but it's

599
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Speaker 6: the sport, and the sport has you know, all these

600
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Speaker 6: grassroots shows and regional shows, and people don't do it

601
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Speaker 6: well at all, and so it needs to be something

602
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 6: that is dealt with because that's the biggest health and

603
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 6: safety factor for the fighters there is, in.

604
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Speaker 4: My opinion, I love hearing you say that. And we

605
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Speaker 4: have to still be about evolution of sport. It's crazy

606
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Speaker 4: to think if Brian stan were to somehow get involved,

607
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Speaker 4: what type of change he would be trying to affect.

608
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Speaker 4: Right Like Major League Baseball now granted perhaps a little

609
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: desperation there, they needed, you know, pitchclock. They shortened the

610
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Speaker 4: games considerably, they made the fucking bases bigger, right, Like,

611
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Speaker 4: there's so much that we can do that. When you

612
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Speaker 4: ask someone like John McCarthy, oh what do you change,

613
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Speaker 4: It's like where do I begin? I would imagine pro

614
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Speaker 4: or con. You are pro half points as a resource

615
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Speaker 4: for judges.

616
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Speaker 6: I am no half points, absolutely all right. We don't

617
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Speaker 6: give the judges, you know, near enough. We basically use

618
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Speaker 6: two points. We use a ten nine and a ten eight.

619
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Speaker 6: You know, how often have you seen a ten seven?

620
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Speaker 6: How many fights have you guys watched and how many

621
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Speaker 6: times have you seen ten sevens? You know, most of

622
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Speaker 6: the time the fight is ended by the referee before

623
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Speaker 6: it gets to the point where the judge can put

624
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Speaker 6: that ten to seven down.

625
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Speaker 2: So you use two points, but if you use a

626
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Speaker 2: half point, you're.

627
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Speaker 6: Going to get that nine to five nine eight, five, eight, seven, five,

628
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Speaker 6: possibly seven you're talking compared six to two. It can

629
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Speaker 6: be the difference that shows what you know actually happened

630
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Speaker 6: in the fight. We have fights all the time where

631
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Speaker 6: you have a ten to nine where a guy just

632
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 6: smokes a guy but not enough to get a ten eight,

633
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Speaker 6: and the next round is really close. We haven't had

634
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Speaker 6: an even fight, but it's even on the scorecards.

635
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it all right.

636
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Speaker 4: I guess last thing in the nature of time, I

637
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Speaker 4: would assume you've been asked what is your greatest contribution

638
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Speaker 4: to mixed martial arts?

639
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: And I'll stall for you.

640
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: While suggest that, well, kissing should be added to the

641
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: command program.

642
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Speaker 1: I'm hopefully playing that life is paying attention here.

643
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Speaker 4: I don't know what your greatest contribution is to MMA,

644
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't know how many things you've

645
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: brought me sort of corrections on and I used to

646
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: solicit your advice after really close fights and have you

647
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: explain things to me. But what do you feel like

648
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Speaker 4: is is your lasting legacy or the thing that you

649
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: did the most to try to move this sport forward?

650
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Speaker 4: However fucking backwards a space we're all in, right.

651
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: However backwards?

652
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Speaker 6: You know, I think the if I have a legacy,

653
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Speaker 6: which you know, like that's all talk.

654
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Speaker 2: I've been lucky. I've been lucky to be part of

655
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Speaker 2: something that I loved. You know.

656
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Speaker 6: I love this sport from the moment before it ever happened.

657
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Speaker 6: You know, when I was doing things in a you

658
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Speaker 6: know school, with the gray season, I had just everything

659
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Speaker 6: about it has made my life better, and I owe

660
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Speaker 6: the sport is the way I look at it because

661
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Speaker 6: you try to do things that you think are going

662
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Speaker 6: to make you know, the evolution of it better. And

663
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Speaker 6: the one thing I'll I'll say that if it's my legacy,

664
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Speaker 6: at least I continue to try to evolve. I didn't

665
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Speaker 6: hold on to oh I did that, so that should stay.

666
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Speaker 6: It's always about trying to evolve the sport for what's

667
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Speaker 6: best for the fighters, what's best for the fans, what's

668
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Speaker 6: best for the promotions and overall what's best for the sport.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're the man.

670
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Speaker 4: If you want to hear those Dulca tones anymore, The

671
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: weigh In Podcast can be in your life alongside Josh Thompson.

672
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: It's at John McCarthy MMA, and there's a fucking goat

673
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: berth on Aisle nine. John, so we'll let's go on

674
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: in Tennessee. Get some sleep if you can fit that

675
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 4: in as well. You're an absolute legend. We appreciate your

676
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: time live and sorry about the technical difficulties off.

677
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Speaker 2: They no no probude. I just want to tell both

678
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Speaker 2: of you, hey, man, I love you both.

679
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Speaker 6: You're the best, and thank you very much for having

680
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Speaker 6: me on the show.

681
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Speaker 2: I'll see you.

682
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: Later, man, I'll beg John give for forty five minutes.

683
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Speaker 4: Big John McCarthy with us here live on the Anakin

684
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Speaker 4: Florian Podcast. Just a tremendous resource and there is a

685
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Speaker 4: longer conversation that we have. But now joining us live

686
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Speaker 4: Lahala Ignacio ba al Mondez, budding UFC lightweight contender, fresh

687
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: off arguably the biggest finish inside sphere, not all that

688
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: long ago.

689
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Speaker 1: Howla, my man, it's nice to see. How are we doing?

690
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 7: How are you guys, how you and feeling good, feeling

691
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 7: happy here my family already.

692
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and your son Santino, and we have a lot

693
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: to get into with you. I got to spend some

694
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: time with you after the fight, so you're funted here

695
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: on our show. If you look at that box as

696
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: Nacho ba a mondez and I was actually good at

697
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: that to come on here and say it's Halla, right.

698
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: Lahala is obviously the nickname direct translation the cage, but

699
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: shortened to Halla. Ignazio is four syllables. We shortened it up.

700
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Speaker 4: I might have faunted you as Hala today. Everybody's leaning

701
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: into the Nacho man.

702
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, bro, yeah, you know, my whole life, all my family,

703
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 7: all my friends living calling me Nacho.

704
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm so little so for me is my name too?

705
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 4: So so if an announcer was punctuating and knockout when

706
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 4: you win the UFC title, am I supposed to scream

707
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: Nacho Lahala?

708
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Nacho? All right enough?

709
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 4: I forgot it right. So nine days ago UFC, three

710
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: h six Notescha, UFC. I know you got a little

711
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: bump on your leg, but all things considered, career highlight

712
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: to date, man, congratulations and how was it sort of

713
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: going back and watching a performance like that.

714
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I'm a fighter who wants always to

715
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 7: involved and get better. So after seeing the fighter like

716
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 7: time ten times already, it's a lot of things I

717
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 7: can do better.

718
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things I can I can go back.

719
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm excited to go back.

720
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 7: To the gym and get better at and I think

721
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 7: things go too. But you know, I think it's time

722
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 7: to work. Any challenge is coming, It's going to be

723
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 7: a big one, is going to be a tough one

724
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 7: after this file. So yeah, I can wait to get

725
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 7: better and go and do better.

726
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Speaker 1: You are getting better, man, what do you attribute to that?

727
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: That too? What's been the difference over the last few years.

728
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 7: The difference is I just never stopped training. I just

729
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 7: depends how I and dub my file. I just reress

730
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Speaker 7: up a little bit, have a little bit of time

731
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Speaker 7: with my family.

732
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Speaker 3: And then just go back to training.

733
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Speaker 7: And I'm always helping my teammates and their camps like

734
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 7: Mohammed Chuck Buffalo, So I'm always like they're inspiring partners.

735
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 3: So I'm always training.

736
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 7: I always gonna gotta be in shape because if now

737
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be able to help in them.

738
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Speaker 3: So I think that that's the thing.

739
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Speaker 7: Is making me get so better every time I stepping

740
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Speaker 7: in the cage, because I never stopped training.

741
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm always training.

742
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Speaker 5: We're seeing more and more fighters in the UFC now

743
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: from South America, Argentina, Chile, Peru, other areas. Do you

744
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 5: think we're going to see more fighters emerge from South America?

745
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 5: And I guess you know, you obviously moved to the

746
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: United States, But do you think we could ever have

747
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: a champion that lives in trains in South America?

748
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

749
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 7: For sure, for sure, like right now, like even even

750
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 7: with me like winning, you know, it's open South. A

751
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 7: lot of a lot of opportunities for the other guys,

752
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 7: for for the younger, younger guys, for for for the

753
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 7: guys who are living in the in South America and

754
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 7: they're and they're seeing me have success, they say, Okay,

755
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 7: if he could do it, I could do it too.

756
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 7: So now they got like that their mind up and

757
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 7: stop a little bit. They're a little bit more open

758
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 7: minded because I know how it is. Whenever I was

759
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 7: living in Chile, my my my mind was limitated. I

760
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 7: was just thinking, Okay, I'm just gonna be champion of

761
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 7: Chile and then maybe go fy Brazil and that was it.

762
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 7: But then whenever I got to the US, my mind

763
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 7: opens up. So I think that what's happening now in

764
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 7: Latin America And we got a lot of talent, We

765
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 7: got a lot of talent, we fight were strong, So

766
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Speaker 7: I think it's time for the Latin American community to

767
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 7: take over MMA.

768
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: Ignacio bab Manda is with us here live on the

769
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Speaker 4: Anakin Florian podcast, one of the top twenty or so

770
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: UFC lightweights.

771
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: I would think right now, if you don't know the.

772
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 4: Backstory, Chilean kickboxing champion nationally at fourteen years of age,

773
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 4: moves to the US at sixteen, your story has been

774
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: well told. Some nights crying yourself to sleep, seem like

775
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: you and maybe your dad, your family, you kind of

776
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: knew that this is what you needed to do. But

777
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 4: obviously amazing foresight by you and your family to make

778
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 4: the move, because now here you are eleven years later

779
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: and everything that you set out to do you're doing.

780
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, whenever you're young, everything everything happens to you.

781
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 7: It looks like then of the work. You know, whenever

782
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 7: like you're you're all there. You look back and you

783
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 7: look at you and you say you were such a

784
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 7: c C you know, but yeah, you know. It was

785
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 7: first time I was away from my family. I was

786
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 7: by myself in a place whereever, I didn't know anybody,

787
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 7: like kind of they thrown me to the dogs right

788
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 7: away when I got to us, like, okay, you you

789
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 7: never had a life out of your house. Now you

790
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 7: need to do it by yourself, and you need to

791
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 7: learn everything by yourself. And whenever you learn everything by yourself,

792
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 7: you you make a lot of mistakes. But the important

793
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 7: thing is just learn from them and just keep going forward.

794
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 7: And I knew that was the way, and I wasn't

795
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 7: going to let nobody take it from me. It was

796
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 7: my dream and I was going to be fighting till

797
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 7: I could get there. And thank God, today I'm here

798
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 7: and I look back and what I say.

799
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Speaker 3: I look at me and I say, what that was?

800
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing. That's a tremendous outlook.

801
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: So in terms of your career, and I guess your

802
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: development as a striker, I would say two years ago

803
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Blah Muhammad suggested that you were the best striker in

804
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: the UFC. Right now, I thought maybe he was overstating things.

805
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: When I look at the lightweight division though in twenty

806
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: twenty four, as I said to your face, I don't

807
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: think there are that many better strikers than you, right,

808
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: So how confident are you in your striking and how

809
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: much better a striker are you now than the guy

810
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: who made his UFC debut a few years ago.

811
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm a completely different fighter now. You're like talking

812
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 7: about skills mentally, and I think MMA is if the

813
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 7: mental part is very big, is very important for a fighter.

814
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 7: You can be very well prepared physically, but if your

815
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 7: mind is not there, you're gonna fight bad. You're not

816
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 7: gonna fight good. So I think that's one of the

817
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 7: things that I've been grown the most, my mental power,

818
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 7: my mental state. So I'm in a really good place

819
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 7: right now. I've been getting better. How I told you,

820
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 7: I haven't been stopping training. I've been training non stuff.

821
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 7: So I got the best team in the war, and

822
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 7: we getting better. We were always getting better and better. Muhammad,

823
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 7: who is my training partner, whenever we're training, we have

824
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 7: no egos, So you get better, I get better. I don't.

825
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to beat him, he's not trying to

826
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: beat me.

827
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Speaker 7: So I think that that's why we have been getting better,

828
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 7: so good, and today I can say confident I'm one

829
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 7: of the best strikers in the UFC.

830
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: No doubt about it.

831
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: The guy who mimicked Leon Edwards for weeks for the

832
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: now undisputed UFC welterweight champion, all right, Ignazio Obama, as

833
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: well as your live on the Anakin Florian podcast. So

834
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: in the nature of spinning it forward when it comes

835
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: to your career, obviously the matchmakers are excited about your style.

836
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: I don't have to tell you about all of that.

837
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 4: You're hugely motivated by your son Santino. That's a power name.

838
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: By the way. What is next and how soon might

839
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: you like to get back in there and take your

840
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: crack at somebody in that top fifteen or on the CUSP.

841
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 7: Well, I was talking with my team and I think

842
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 7: I will say I would like to be back in January, okay,

843
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 7: or beginning of the next year, and we want a

844
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 7: top fifteen. We want to top fifteen. Let's see what

845
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 7: the UFC got prepared for us. We got a couple

846
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 7: of names right there in mind, and I think we're

847
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 7: ready for this and I'm excited. Studies, I already started

848
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 7: studying the fighters. I already started like doing my visualization already.

849
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 7: So I'm ready, I'm excited, I'm excited.

850
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: All right, I'll leave you with this.

851
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: So the only thing that Blal is competitive with you

852
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: in seems to be speaking the English language.

853
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 8: Right.

854
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: I don't know how good his Spanish is, right, But

855
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: I want to talk you about the word under hooks.

856
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Right, we were talking about the.

857
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: Word under hooks, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

858
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: So I mean you practice under hooks, right, you could

859
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: say the word under.

860
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: Hooks, right yeah, under hooks.

861
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so can flow Nina.

862
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: I hate it.

863
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 4: So they like to give him a hard time about

864
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 4: the word unbelievable, which Nacho has said is the hardest

865
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: word in the English language for him to pronounce. So

866
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: I was trying to give him some tips, right, and

867
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 4: we were working on under hooks, which he pronounces easily.

868
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: So my man, all you got to do is just

869
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: say on and then just pause and then hit him

870
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 4: with the fucking believable. And honestly, if you hit him

871
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: with that right hand, nothing else really matters.

872
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: So let me do it. Unbelievable take wonder.

873
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: No, it was good, It was good.

874
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: It's getting better. It's getting better, for sure, for sure,

875
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: be funny, it was bad.

876
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Lahalala, Ignacio obam Onez. Can't wait to watch your ascent,

877
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: to watch you rise in this UFC lightweight division. Of course,

878
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: can Flow compete for the belt in that division three times?

879
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: And uh, I feel pretty convicted and saying you're going

880
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: to get there, my man. Thank you for a few minutes,

881
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: enjoy the rest of your day and your son and

882
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: your wife, and uh, we'll see you down the line.

883
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 7: No, thank you, Thank you so much, guys. You guys too,

884
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 7: for the time. It's always a pleasure to be talking

885
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 7: to you guys. I'm yeah, brother, I'm I had it

886
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 7: on my I have it on my mind. I'm not

887
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 7: gonna stop, did I have it. I'm gonna be the

888
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 7: next champion and the next champion of my team, the

889
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 7: by Flow Striking. We already have one champion, we already

890
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 7: had another one with and with Juliana, and I'm gonna

891
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 7: be the number four. So I'm not gonna rest it.

892
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: I'm there. I'm gonna keep fighting, keep one in bonuses.

893
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 7: So I'm ready.

894
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

895
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I love hearing you say it.

896
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 4: The visualization is Ignasiobaa Mondez with the Chilean flag overhead

897
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: on top of the octagon, representing for his nation, and

898
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: of course Valley Flows Striking Academy. My man Owen young

899
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: in La loud and proud too. Let'sten man, Hey, have

900
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: a great day. We appreciate you. I can't wait to

901
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 4: watch you perform again and stay healthy. We'll see you soon.

902
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dake care have a nice day, guys, you too.

903
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: There is Ignasiobota Munda is with us here on the

904
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: Anakin Florian podcast and Keady we were talking about Raoul

905
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: Rosas junior earlier and maybe a name or two in

906
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: the top fifteen to thirty five against whom he would

907
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: be competitive. I'd imagine if you looked at that top

908
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 4: fifteen or top eighteen right now at lightweight and you

909
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: don't have to do it now.

910
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Valley's on deck right but.

911
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: I would imagine there are some guys there right now

912
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: that you think are outstanding matchups for Ignasio Baa Mundes.

913
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, I'm looking at him right now.

914
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 5: I think there's a bunch of great matches for him,

915
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 5: for sure in the top fifteen, no question, I think

916
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: he's ready.

917
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: And Cody, you can populate the great Mike Valley anytime

918
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 4: he's ready. But it's just really interesting in that division,

919
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: that particular striker Kenny, because when Balao said he's the

920
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: best striker in the UFC, Blao says a lot of

921
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: things I disagree with.

922
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 6: Right.

923
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: I think me and.

924
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: Balao both at times could touch our top lip to

925
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: our bottom lip.

926
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Right and listen, No, I'm just kidding, Champ, I love you.

927
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: I got a sounder here.

928
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: Sorry, It's all very interesting when it comes to that

929
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 4: team and that division and unbelievable. All right, we're going

930
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 4: to get Mike Valley here shortly. So a couple of

931
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 4: things from the Agnazia. I mean, I got a million

932
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: notes from these interviews today.

933
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

934
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 4: Oh, we got Mike Valley, we got Valley, Flow Striking

935
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: Academy us.

936
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: There he is.

937
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, bro, I cann't figure it.

938
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh we're good. Ma, man, we just talked to Nacho.

939
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: Is that a Mexico World Baseball Classic hatch you're wearing today?

940
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: What is that?

941
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 8: Yeah?

942
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this guy.

943
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: If you don't know this man, world class mixed martial

944
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: arts coach, and I think relative to accomplishment at this point,

945
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: maybe the most underrated MMA coach of all time, owner

946
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: of the Valley Flow Striking Academy, head coach of the

947
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: undisputed UFC welterweight champell out Muhammad, Mike Valley.

948
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: Nice to see my man. How are we doing?

949
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 8: Oh man, Thank you man, Thank you guys for having me.

950
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 8: Thank you John, Thank you Kenny. It's a pleasure, man, awesome.

951
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 4: Pleasures are So. Kenny texted me this morning about the

952
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: pronunciation of your name. So, Kenny, I don't know. Have

953
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: I been americanizing this man's surname against his will?

954
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: What's going on?

955
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 8: Well?

956
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 5: Well I was curious, so you know, whether are we

957
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: pronouncing it incorrectly? And everyone calls you Valley Valley Striking?

958
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 5: Should it be vitye or is it value? How do

959
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 5: you like like for people to me?

960
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 8: It's not how to use it for people to be value? Right,

961
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 8: that is that it is by you?

962
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

963
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: All right, Well, don't want to just perspect.

964
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: You don't want to.

965
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: Whether or not you want me to actually affect change

966
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: when it comes to the broadcast moving forward. You know,

967
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: but part of the reason I did book you today

968
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 4: is because of a really thoughtful post from your wife

969
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: Pierra after the Sphere show, and I'm just going to

970
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 4: read it pretty quickly and hopefully I don't flub it.

971
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: But it was a proud moment seeing my husband there

972
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: doing his thing. Mike is a quiet leader and because

973
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 4: of that he may not always get the recognition he deserves.

974
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: But let me tell you, Mike has paved the way

975
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: for Mexican athletes in the UFC. He was the first

976
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 4: Mexican coach to bring a Mexican born fighter into the

977
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 4: UFC with Go Giito. Perez also ran the first UFC

978
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: Latin Development program at Jackson Wink where so many top

979
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: Mexican UFC fighters passed and president got their start. My coach,

980
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: the winners of Tough Latin America Seasons one and two

981
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen, moved to Chicago with a dream to

982
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: start his own team and a couple of amazing Mexican

983
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: fighters who believed it in. Ten years later, he has

984
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: three UFC belts hanging in the gym, and trust me,

985
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: there are many more to come.

986
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Mike.

987
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: The Sphere card was also a love letter to your

988
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: contribution to the sport for Mexican and Latin American fighters.

989
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: I hope you looked around and felt proud of your

990
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 4: incre dodible accomplishments. So I know I said a lot

991
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: of nice things about you on the broadcast, but your

992
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: Mexican heritage and I think that connection was not front

993
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: of mind, and perhaps it should have been. So tremendous

994
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: post and a tremendous evening and twenty twenty four for you, man,

995
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 4: you got to be feeling pretty good about the way

996
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: things have gone over the last few months.

997
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I mean I'm happy with it.

998
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: You know.

999
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 8: It's it's we've been working hard, you know, like quietly

1000
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 8: and hard. And you know that's the way I was taught, man,

1001
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 8: to do things. Just you know, just look forward, shut

1002
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 8: your mouth, keep on going, and let your work do

1003
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 8: the talking. And never get in front of the fighters.

1004
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 8: That's one of the number one things that I always preach.

1005
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 8: You know, it's not about us the coaches, It's about them,

1006
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 8: you know, of course, I mean we're a great part

1007
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 8: of it. But all those things come in place, dude,

1008
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 8: because in moments of doubts, dude, you know, fame doesn't

1009
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 8: sustain you, money doesn't sustain you, nothing like that sustain you.

1010
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 8: So I always believe by that you know, I do

1011
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 8: this because I love it. I do this because you know,

1012
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 8: it's my passion and stuff like that, and I want

1013
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 8: to see this guy succeed and uh me being a

1014
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 8: part of it and being a vessel for them to succeed.

1015
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 8: It's it's just a great thing, Mike.

1016
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 5: You know, I've been intrigued with you before you started

1017
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: winning belts over there in Chicago, but I guess I'm

1018
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 5: intrigued about your methods. You know, is there a system

1019
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 5: that you have in place that you kind of teach

1020
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: for all of your fighters or is it more individualized

1021
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: where you kind of cater your striking methods to the

1022
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 5: type of fighter that they are, whatever skills they come

1023
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 5: in with.

1024
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean what I try to do is it's

1025
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 8: you know, we put a game plan, right, and then

1026
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 8: every class that we do, I try to base it

1027
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 8: off of that of of what's going to take place

1028
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 8: in the fight, of what we or how we think

1029
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 8: it's going to go into that place. So we work

1030
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 8: a lot into that. We work a lot into that,

1031
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 8: and of course I have a wrestling coach, you have

1032
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 8: a jiu jitsu coach and stuff like that, and then

1033
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 8: you get like the details right, But the overall understanding

1034
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 8: of where the fight is going to take place, the

1035
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 8: little battles, you know, the clinch battle is is don't

1036
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 8: get taken your back, you know, don't push, don't lose

1037
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 8: your head like stuff like that. That's kind of like

1038
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 8: our main focus all the time. You know, focus, focus, focus,

1039
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 8: are what are our strength. But also you know how

1040
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 8: they're going to attack us. You've got to be very real.

1041
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 8: I'm very real of how they might attack us and

1042
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 8: how am I loseify So I focus a lot in

1043
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 8: that and okay, not not not getting beat in those

1044
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 8: positions where they think they're going to have success.

1045
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 5: What is more challenging for you as a coach. Is

1046
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: it getting into the mind of the fighter kind of

1047
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 5: changing their mentality a little bit, or is it the

1048
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 5: technical side of coaching?

1049
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 8: I mean to be honest, Kenny, it's we can work

1050
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 8: all the technical things, man, but if the mind is

1051
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 8: not right, you know that there's nothing you can do.

1052
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 8: You know that, I mean absolutely nothing you can do.

1053
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 8: You can have the most technical guy, the most athletic guy,

1054
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 8: but sometimes if they're not, they're not you know, in

1055
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 8: there with in the mind. You know, it doesn't matter

1056
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 8: I mean, how how good they are? You know, just

1057
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 8: the mind plays a lot of tricks on you. And

1058
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 8: I mean and you obviously you you you thought at

1059
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 8: the highest level there is and you could you could

1060
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 8: you know, I understand this with me that uh, the

1061
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 8: day of the fight, the week of the fighter, has

1062
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 8: nothing to do with the physical strength you did all

1063
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 8: that work. Everything has to do with your mental state,

1064
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 8: how you're going to feel. One of the things that

1065
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 8: I always tell them is like, never let your feelings

1066
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 8: get involved in your goal because just all types of

1067
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 8: feelings you can feel. It could be a strategy, it

1068
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 8: could be a problem at home, it could be just emotions,

1069
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 8: it could be whatever it is. You know, never let

1070
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 8: them get in front of your goal. Right, So every

1071
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 8: time that you practice, you got to also be working

1072
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 8: on that every day, every day in the gym, like

1073
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 8: put yourself there. So whenever you feel of those things,

1074
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 8: you know, okay, I'm okay, you know, I yeah.

1075
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: Agent Ice.

1076
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: In all walks of life, I feel like I'm supposed

1077
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 4: to drop a via Flow Striking.

1078
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: Academy right now?

1079
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: Is that what we're doing live on the Anticonmplorming podcast

1080
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 4: Valley Flow Striking Academy on Instagram at VFS Underscore Academy.

1081
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: So Blah Muhammad had the chance, as you well know,

1082
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 4: to have his champ camp in auguston in advance of

1083
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: the Leon Edwards fight, presumably fully funded by him, even

1084
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: Armago medal and under his watchful e. I don't know

1085
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: how much time you would have spent there if that

1086
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: was the decision. But what did it mean for you,

1087
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: if anything, to have Blouse stay in Chicago and want

1088
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: to be sort of under your nose and ultimately to

1089
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 4: produce the world title together, uh, in that city that

1090
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 4: you guys call home.

1091
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 8: Uh, you know, I think it was a mutual decision

1092
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 8: when he made it. You know it was going to

1093
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 8: be rough and you know, to be out there for

1094
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 8: a long period of time and uh, and I mean

1095
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 8: we've done this, you know, we started doing a by ourselves,

1096
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 8: you know. And obviously I mean he's they have come

1097
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 8: and got involved in it and stuff like that, like

1098
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 8: Kabib has helped him a lot and goes and trains

1099
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 8: with them. But no, I don't think it was just

1100
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 8: an offering that the Kabir did to him. And I

1101
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 8: mean he decided just to stay here, and I mean,

1102
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 8: we kind of like knew what how this fight was

1103
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 8: going to take place. Its not like I really really

1104
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 8: need that and go out there and stuff like that.

1105
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 8: You know, it was just not that was not the case.

1106
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 8: I don't think it was just a comment that something

1107
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 8: that he threw out there. Hey man, it's always welcome

1108
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 8: if you can come. And I told them, well, I mean,

1109
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 8: I mean, I think it'll be great for you to

1110
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 8: go off camp and just go and spend a month

1111
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 8: out there, you know, and just going out with those

1112
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 8: guys and stuff like that. And it's not that they're

1113
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 8: doing things very different. You know, the problem with them

1114
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 8: is that they got twenty dudes. They all are in

1115
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 8: the same channel. You know, they don't have distractions. You know,

1116
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 8: they it's part of their culture, as part of their things.

1117
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 8: You know, it's just their way of living. Over here

1118
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 8: in America. We have a lot of distractions. We have this,

1119
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 8: you know, we live a very competitive life in a

1120
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 8: different outside of what it is fighting, you know, and

1121
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 8: they're like very united in that area. And of course,

1122
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 8: you know, I think their religion has to do a

1123
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 8: lot of it. They don't have they don't drink, you know,

1124
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 8: they don't smoke. They don't do all those things, you know,

1125
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 8: and you can get way ahead and little stuff, little stuff,

1126
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 8: little progress because they don't have those that type of distractions.

1127
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: So did you have any Chicago roots prior to moving

1128
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 4: there in twenty fourteen?

1129
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 8: No?

1130
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: Not, No, I'm Chicago. I know it's very much like Boston.

1131
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did you choose Chicago for?

1132
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 8: Easy? Martinez? He's the one that got me here easy Okay.

1133
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: So I'd imagine though, professional aspiration and motivation was a

1134
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 4: big part of the drive, and now here you are

1135
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 4: ten years later with three champions.

1136
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong.

1137
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: But in your wildest dream, I mean, are you thinking

1138
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 4: inside of a decade you're producing three UFC champions?

1139
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: We give Ray Longo a lot of credit. I'm about

1140
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: to give give you his fucking segment on the show.

1141
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 8: You know what, man, I'll be truly, truly honest man

1142
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 8: with you. You know, did I expect that? Know that

1143
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 8: I believe it? He is right, dude. I always thought

1144
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 8: I think I saw the lot all the time whenever

1145
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 8: he walked in. You know, I told him, dude, I mean,

1146
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 8: you have a championship material because I had seen his

1147
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 8: work ethic, you know, I know, yeah, year was so

1148
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 8: talented that he was going to be able to get there.

1149
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 8: You know, there was never one out in my mind

1150
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 8: about that. And obviously Juliana, you know, she's just I mean,

1151
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 8: she's you lock her up, dude in her room, and

1152
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 8: I know who's walking out. Yeah, she's fears whenever it

1153
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 8: comes to that. But uh, I mean to me, I'll

1154
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 8: be truly honest, man, what I want to build, dude,

1155
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 8: is great human beings. Man. I want these guys. I mean,

1156
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 8: some of these guys, Kenny and John, they have walked here, dude,

1157
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 8: with no money, no bank accounts, no nothing. And whenever

1158
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 8: they leave, dude, or whenever they're done with their careers,

1159
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 8: they have a career, they have money, they have bank accounts,

1160
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 8: they have houses, they have this. You know. So to me,

1161
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 8: that that that that's the greatest goal man, out of it.

1162
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 8: I mean to me, right well, you know what's been

1163
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 8: the greatest goal that that I had right now, even

1164
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 8: the championships, is that Ignacio Dude by Amonde has his

1165
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 8: green card, him and his wife. That's huge. That's huge

1166
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 8: because in the long process he can change him, you know,

1167
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 8: his family's life with you know, so that that's way

1168
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 8: bigger than the competition and sports. You know, to me,

1169
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 8: that that's that that I was like, man, dude, I

1170
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 8: felt very proud because of that, because I know what

1171
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 8: it took to get there, all those P one visas

1172
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 8: and people know he should here. No, dude, he's your

1173
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 8: time here because we need that P one visa. So

1174
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 8: he could make that track record, you know, and it

1175
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 8: went beyond that, you know. So that to me is

1176
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 8: and I obviously deal with the help of my wife. Man,

1177
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: I mean, I couldn't do none of.

1178
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: This, right, No, of course he's driving force to be sure.

1179
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy to think about Nacho, right, And obviously

1180
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: we're friends and no pressure on you, and I know

1181
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 4: you're not on the managerial side, but man like that

1182
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: dude can make a lot of fucking money. Right, He's

1183
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: got a great style, got a great story. His English

1184
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: is better than Blaws. Right, there's a lot of things

1185
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: working for this kid.

1186
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1187
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 4: I just think your direction and with the right mentality,

1188
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: which seemingly right, Like, isn't he starting to develop a

1189
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 4: championship Mentality's twenty seven now?

1190
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 8: For sure? Man, I mean he's getting bigger, is getting

1191
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 8: better and better and better. You know, I think he's

1192
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 8: an elite striker. You know, right now he's on a

1193
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 8: way to becoming an elite fighter. You know, I just

1194
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 8: had that conversation with him. It's like, okay, dude, I mean,

1195
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 8: you're an elite, elite striker, dude, but now it's time

1196
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 8: to move to being an elite fighter. What does that mean? Okay,

1197
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 8: You've got to be able to control the fight wherever

1198
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 8: you want to take it, whether it's standing up, whether

1199
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 8: it's on the ground, whether it's on the cage, whether

1200
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 8: it is going back, going forward. You have to be

1201
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 8: able to dictate where you want to take this competition,

1202
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 8: this fight.

1203
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Dude.

1204
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 8: Once you do that, once you have that ability to dictate, Okay,

1205
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 8: I want to take this fight here. I want to clean.

1206
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 8: I want to do this. I want to take him

1207
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 8: down whatever it is. You know now you're an elite guy. Yeah,

1208
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 8: you know that's the goal.

1209
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: Man.

1210
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 8: It's so hard to get there. It's so hard. I mean,

1211
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 8: Kenny could tell you that. It's so hard, man, to

1212
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 8: get there. It's just difficult a lot of aspects. It's

1213
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 8: a lot of aspects of the game, but I mean

1214
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 8: it's it's that's the goal, you know, and that's the challenge.

1215
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 5: Especially about division that one and one seventy.

1216
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy killers. No, yeah, you took the.

1217
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: Words out of my mouth at fifty five, bro, Like

1218
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 4: Kenny doesn't love when I say this, But you guys

1219
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 4: lose to Manuel Torrez. That's like a two year championship setback,

1220
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: maybe a two year setback in terms of trying to

1221
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: get to the top fifteen. All these fights at fifty

1222
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 4: five are just super super critical and.

1223
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Uh, of course for you, you spend it forward.

1224
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 4: Right, title fight in twelve days Salt Lake City, Utah,

1225
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 4: Juliana pennyback for the first time since twenty twenty two

1226
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 4: against Amanda Nunez.

1227
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 8: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1228
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: Is she already there or en route soon?

1229
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 8: No? No, we leave on Monday, and yeah we leave

1230
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 8: Monday to Salt Lake and yeah, I mean we were

1231
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 8: ready to go and fight uh Raquel Pennington. So it'll be,

1232
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 8: it'll be, it'll be good. It's can excited for it

1233
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 8: and can't wait, man, can't wait for that one.

1234
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: Well, congratulations on everything and failed to mention your Mexican

1235
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 4: heritage on that Sphere broadcast. But I'd imagine that was

1236
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: a pretty special night for you. I don't know how

1237
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 4: much of the content you got to ingest, either inside

1238
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 4: of building or after the act, but hopefully as a

1239
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 4: Mexican you were touched by that whole experience.

1240
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 8: Man, it was it was great, you know. But I

1241
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 8: also you know, it's been a part of you know,

1242
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 8: Kenny also yes, Latin roots, you know, and in him.

1243
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 8: I remember Kenny Floria and cutting weight Jose I'll do

1244
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 8: in Houston, Texas. Oh gosh, I was there, man, I

1245
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 8: was there. I remember watching you in the towels.

1246
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: I look great, right, I look great.

1247
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 8: Whenever you couldn't sweat, man, you know that was man,

1248
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 8: what was that like ten years ago?

1249
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Somewhere? It was a while ago.

1250
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, like I remember that. So, I mean all these guys,

1251
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 8: man have done a great part. I'm just I'm just

1252
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 8: happy to be a little bit part of it, you know.

1253
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 8: And like I said, you know, just keep on growing

1254
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 8: and keep on going. I love competition and love uh

1255
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 8: love the sport. Man. There's nothing like it. There's nothing

1256
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 8: like it. It's just the walkouts then of it. You

1257
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 8: know that, there's there's nothing like it.

1258
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Well under celebrated no more.

1259
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 4: Mike Valley Vaya Valley Flow Striking Academy on Instagram at

1260
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: VFS Underscore Academy. And yeah, when Ken Flow made his

1261
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 4: featherweight debut against Diego Nonez in Vancouver, I don't remember

1262
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: where I was for the fight. I remember the exact

1263
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 4: shade of the deck I was standing on on the

1264
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: friday when he was cutting weight and staring death in

1265
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: the face. So I'm glad he made it through those

1266
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: weight cuts. And he gets sharper every show, so the

1267
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: dehydration is starting to wear off. So my lovey, congratulations.

1268
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 4: Certainly going to be some Coach of the Year hardware

1269
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 4: coming your way. We wish you the best of lucky

1270
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 4: at Altitude in shall Lake in a few weeks.

1271
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 8: Brother, thank you man, I appreciate it. Thank you, guys,

1272
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 8: thank you so much.

1273
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 4: Mike Valley Valley Flow Striking Academy.

1274
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: Dude, that's a humble martial artist right there.

1275
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 5: I mean like literally, anytime you were giving him a

1276
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 5: compliment and he.

1277
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: Deflects and talk to you, let's just you. But like

1278
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: that's that's a special human being. Man. That's cool. It's good.

1279
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: It's about Tom. We had him on the Damn Show.

1280
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 4: He's the man and It is interesting when you think

1281
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 4: about Ignacio ba Amundez can flow right, because uh, I

1282
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: know this show has seen me take a few shots

1283
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 4: at the undisputed UFC Welsway champion Blah Muhammad, and he

1284
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 4: won a world title submitted to Kashi Sato along the

1285
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 4: way of course, right, but position over submission control unbelievable

1286
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 4: cardio and commitment. But ignasioba Amandez has chokes as well.

1287
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 4: And Nacho's going to Charlotte, North Carolina to live with

1288
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 4: Ken Flow for a week and just work on Joe.

1289
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, do I have that wrong?

1290
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: Well, dude, it's cool.

1291
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 5: Well I'm glad you actually mentioned that because here you

1292
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: have a variety of different fighters you throw, yeah, your

1293
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 5: Rodriguez pena in there. They're all different fighters and all

1294
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 5: successful in a lot of different ways.

1295
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 8: That's the sign.

1296
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the coach man like, it's not just this one approach.

1297
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, really, really Clay to.

1298
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 4: Go with four lead fucking grapplers exactly, Kenny, Oh, only.

1299
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: People can take it jail honestly, you know, Uh, you're

1300
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: on fire, dude.

1301
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 4: We love the minute man. Way long Ago is en

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Speaker 4: route to Paris, France. Who will be quartering Matt Ravola.

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Speaker 4: We're going to try to get them together in a

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Speaker 4: hotel room making out at no We're going to try

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Speaker 4: to get them together in a hotel room at some

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Speaker 4: point live on the Annakin Floran podcast YouTube channel or

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Speaker 4: on the DraftKings YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: We are far from finish for the week.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate all of you indulging us for the live episode.

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Speaker 4: Full preview though, with picks for UFC Fight Night and

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Speaker 4: moy Cono versus Sant Denis that is Wednesday, and we

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Speaker 4: will also talk to UFC Bandam Wait Ramon Tavares on

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Speaker 4: that show. We thank our guest today, Big John McCarthy,

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Speaker 4: Ignacio Ba Mondes, Mike Vae. Don't forget Kenny Florian dot com.

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Speaker 4: What a website. I'm actually gonna go on it, not now,

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Speaker 4: but right now, and then I'm going to go to

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Speaker 4: John Anick dot com. I'm gonna punch in promo code Bully.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get fifteen percent off my entire order. Mike

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Speaker 4: buy a Kenny floryan Wolverine T shirt, might buy a

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Speaker 4: one More Sleep T shirt, might even buy some Blah

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Speaker 4: Muhammad Championship merchandise. Either way, we thank you. All for

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Speaker 4: listening and watching. Our producer is Cody Merrill. We are

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Speaker 4: back Wednesday night, full previewing picks from Moy Kano versus

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Speaker 4: Anthony with that for ken Flung John and thanks for

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Speaker 4: watching live. We'll talk to you in forty eight hours

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Speaker 4: or less.

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Speaker 1: Until then, you'll leave.

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Speaker 2: Bread.

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Speaker 7: He's gone bread.

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Speaker 3: He's gone bred.

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Speaker 2: Might press do the meth that you can't keep your

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Speaker 2: hands on the box in the open.

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Speaker 3: He's gone red.

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Speaker 7: He's gone red.

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Speaker 4: Don't think a humble pompers

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Speaker 6: Boldread the brimm