WEBVTT - The Big Man Can't Shoot

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<v Speaker 1>Bushkin. The greatest game of basketball anyone has ever played

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<v Speaker 1>was in Hershey, Pennsylvania, March second, nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty two, and everybody's thinking out on his work.

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<v Speaker 3>God, I got he's got sixty nine gone at here's

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<v Speaker 3>the past.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got another.

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<v Speaker 1>Cold, rainy night. Just over four thousand people in the stands.

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia Warriors versus.

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<v Speaker 4>The New York Knicks have a good shot. They're taking it,

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<v Speaker 4>but mostly they're setting up the big man.

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<v Speaker 1>The star of the Warriors was a man named Wilt Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt you've heard of him, seven foot one, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy five pounds. For sheer physical presence, there

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<v Speaker 1>has probably never been anyone like Willed. There are lots

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<v Speaker 1>of seven footers who play basketball who are basically on

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<v Speaker 1>the court purely because they're seven feet tall. They're clumsy

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<v Speaker 1>and ungainly. Chamberlain, it was not like that. He was

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<v Speaker 1>as big as an oak tree and as graceful as

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<v Speaker 1>a ballet dancer. That season nineteen sixty one to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, he ended up averaging more than fifty points

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<v Speaker 1>a game. That record will never be broken. So March second,

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<v Speaker 1>Wilt was hungover. He'd been out all night with a

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<v Speaker 1>woman he picked up at a bar. That's classic Will too.

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<v Speaker 1>He would later claim to have slept with twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>women in his life. And when he said that, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people did the math and said there was no

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<v Speaker 1>way that was possible, given the fact that they were

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty four hours in a day and will only

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<v Speaker 1>live to the age of sixty three. But even the

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<v Speaker 1>skeptics were like, well, maybe it's ten thousand or eight thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>It was an argument over whether it was an unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>high number or merely an incredibly high number.

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<v Speaker 2>The big Man over the Warriors and the big man

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<v Speaker 2>in the he has ninety two points.

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<v Speaker 4>Jaron, make sure my.

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<v Speaker 1>Name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, where

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<v Speaker 1>every week we re examine the forgotten and the misunderstood.

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<v Speaker 1>This week's episode is about Wilt Chamberlain's most famous game.

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<v Speaker 4>Work's got the ball, he's gone up, he shoots, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the game in question. Chamberlain makes his first

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<v Speaker 1>five shots and has twenty three points at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the first quarter. At halftime, he has forty one points.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's thinking history just yet. But then by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the third quarter, he has sixty nine points,

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<v Speaker 1>and he keeps going and going and going. He shoots

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<v Speaker 1>put it out the reason Luck and Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>K so Rockwick in the chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>A hundred points, the most anyone has ever scored in

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<v Speaker 1>a professional basketball game. And here's the most incredible thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it. He shot brilliantly from the foul liney or

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two Ye. That's Rick Berry speaking. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary of Chamberlain's, also a Hall of Famer, an absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>unstoppable scorer. I met him at his condo in South

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina where he lives part of the year, so we

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<v Speaker 1>can follow his son, Canyon, who plays basketball for the

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<v Speaker 1>College of Charleston. Barry is seventy two, six foot eight

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<v Speaker 1>inches tall, barrel chest, legs that looked like he had

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<v Speaker 1>special extensions put on them, and that thing that great

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<v Speaker 1>athletes have and never seem to lose, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of glide across the floor like they have

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<v Speaker 1>wheels on. A big part of this episode is about Barry,

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<v Speaker 1>but other people too, because although this sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a show about basketball, the truth is

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's a show about good Eyedea. He is

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<v Speaker 1>and why they have such difficulties spreading. But for the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>back to Wilt Chamberlain. Chamberlain next, He's made twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>out of his thirty two shots from the free throw line,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven point five percent. The reason that's incredible is

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<v Speaker 1>that when Chamberlain came into the NBA, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>horrendous free throw shooter. Though worst. Here was a man

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<v Speaker 1>who could excel at virtually every physical feat under the sun,

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<v Speaker 1>who could score at will with two and sometimes three

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<v Speaker 1>defenders draped all over his body, but put him all

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<v Speaker 1>alone fifteen feet from the basket, and he was hopeless.

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<v Speaker 1>He was shooting forty percent from the free throw line.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrible. But this season Chamberlain changes tactics. He starts

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot his foul shots underhanded. He doesn't release the

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<v Speaker 1>ball up by his forehead. He holds the ball between

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<v Speaker 1>his knees and flicks it towards the basket from a

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<v Speaker 1>slight crouch, and all of a sudden, he's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good free throw shooter. He gets up to more than

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent, and that special night in Hershey, Pennsylvania, he's

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible free.

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<v Speaker 3>Throw shooter on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Pal shot up in the area is eighty four. He

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<v Speaker 1>makes twenty eight free throws, the most anyone has ever

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<v Speaker 1>made in NBA history. What Rick Barry will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>is that shooting underhanded is simply a better way to

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<v Speaker 1>make foul shots. And he knows that because he was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest foul shooters of all time, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest.

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<v Speaker 4>I missed ten in one season and nine in another

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<v Speaker 4>and the whole season.

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<v Speaker 1>To put that in perspective, Lebron James, the greatest player

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<v Speaker 1>of the current basketball generation, typically misses about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty free throws a season. Rick Barry would miss

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<v Speaker 1>nine or ten.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I shot ninety three five or something in

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<v Speaker 4>ninety four to seven, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Rick Berry only shot underhanded.

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<v Speaker 4>From a physics standpoint, it's a much better way to shoot.

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<v Speaker 4>Less things that can go wrong, Less things that you

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<v Speaker 4>have to worry about repeating properly in order for it

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<v Speaker 4>to be successful. But the other thing is is that

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<v Speaker 4>who walks around like this hand This is not a

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<v Speaker 4>natural position when I shoot underhanded free throws. Where are

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<v Speaker 4>my arms hanging straight down the way they are normally?

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<v Speaker 4>And so I'm totally completely relaxed. It's not in the

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<v Speaker 4>situation where I have to worry about my muscles getting

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<v Speaker 4>tense or tight. And then the shot itself, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>softer shot. So many of my shots, even if they're

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<v Speaker 4>a little off, they hit so nice and soft, and

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<v Speaker 4>they'll still fall in the much softer touch, and so

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<v Speaker 4>you have a little bit more margin for error. Some

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<v Speaker 4>of those shots that are a little bit offline have

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<v Speaker 4>a much better opportunity of going into the basket than

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<v Speaker 4>when you shoot overhand.

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<v Speaker 1>So Wilt Chamberlain switches to a better shooting technique. It

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<v Speaker 1>pays off. In the greatest basketball game ever played. He's

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<v Speaker 1>playing the way that Rick Berry proved basketball players ought

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<v Speaker 1>to play. Then something incredible happens. Well, Chamberlain stops shooting underhanded,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes back to being a terrible foul shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's think about what he did for a moment. Chamberlain

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<v Speaker 1>had a problem, he tested out a possible solution, the

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<v Speaker 1>solution worked, and all of a sudden, he's fixed his

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<v Speaker 1>biggest weakness as a player. This is not a trivial matter.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a basketball player and you can't hit your

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<v Speaker 1>free throws, you're an incredible liability to your team, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of close games. The other side simply

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<v Speaker 1>fouls you every time you touch the ball because they

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<v Speaker 1>know you'll miss your free throw and they'll get the

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<v Speaker 1>ball back. If you can't hit your foul shots, it

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<v Speaker 1>means you can't be used in a tight game. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what Chamberlain's coach said to him, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a ninety percent shooter, we might never lose. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to know him quite well.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to know him.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I just joked with him. You said your technique was terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, but I mean had you stuck with it,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no tell him what he would have done.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the numbers he would have put up would

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<v Speaker 4>have been insane because the only way they defended him

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<v Speaker 4>was the fallom.

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<v Speaker 1>Chamberlain had every incentive in the world to keep shooting

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<v Speaker 1>free throws underhanded, and he didn't. I think we understand

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<v Speaker 1>cases where people don't do what they ought to do

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<v Speaker 1>because of ignorance. This is not that this is doing

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<v Speaker 1>something dumb, even though you are fully aware that you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something dumb. By the way, there have been countless

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<v Speaker 1>players like Chamberlain, players who could have been transcendent, devastating

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<v Speaker 1>if only they had been open to taking foul shots

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<v Speaker 1>a different way. Take Shaquille O'Neal up there with Will Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of the greatest NBA centers of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>but an absolutely horrendous free throw shooter. Barry tried to

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<v Speaker 1>reason with him once.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you actually talked to shit. I tried to get

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<v Speaker 4>Shack to change, and I try to get him done.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, forget, I'd rather shoot zero than shoot underhanded.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just fascinated by that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, The difference is if Shaq was an eighty percent

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<v Speaker 4>free throw shooter, he becomes the go to guy on

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<v Speaker 4>the court as opposed to go to the bench guy.

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<v Speaker 4>You change the dynamic of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>No one shoots underhanded. Not even Barry's teammates followed his lead,

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<v Speaker 1>people who saw him shoot that way every day and

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<v Speaker 1>never miss one.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Only George Johnson, my teammate with the Warriors, he was

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<v Speaker 4>I think he was like forty eight fifty percent something

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<v Speaker 4>like that, and I worked with him for one season.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't get to stay with him. He didn't get

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<v Speaker 4>the technique down as much as I'd like it, But

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<v Speaker 4>I think eventually, a season or two later, I think

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<v Speaker 4>George actually shot eighty percent. I can actually look it

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<v Speaker 4>up and be interesting to see what he did. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>get George Johnson's stats here everything George Johnson's stats. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>stats for George Johnson NBA are George.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson's stats from the twenty fifteen NFL season.

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<v Speaker 4>NFL wrong guy, wrong season, I mean, but anyway, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>look it up. It's interesting, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about your on your high school team?

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<v Speaker 5>Did anyone follow Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, nobody. I've only had one guy ever come to me.

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<v Speaker 4>An NBA guy came to me. I'm will tell you

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<v Speaker 4>his name, but he came to me. He asked me

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<v Speaker 4>to work with him. I did it. I worked with him.

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<v Speaker 4>I had him shooting really well, and he never had

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<v Speaker 4>the nerve to go back and do it. You want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk his name, it's not it's fair to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say his name. It's not fair

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<v Speaker 1>to him, like it's some kind of dark, shameful secret.

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<v Speaker 1>College basketball is no different. Out of the thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>college basketball players today, there are just two who shoot underhanded.

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<v Speaker 1>One is a Nigerian American who plays for Louisville called

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<v Speaker 1>Chinanu Anuaku. The other is Kenyon Barry, who plays for

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<v Speaker 1>the College of Charleston, and who, in case he missed

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<v Speaker 1>this earlier, happens to be Rick Barry's son. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>there are only two conditions under which people will try

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<v Speaker 1>the underhanded free throw, one if their family is from

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<v Speaker 1>another continent, and two if they're an offspring of Rick Berry.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, do you want to just quickly describe where we

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<v Speaker 3>are and what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my producer, Jacob Smith. He hung out with some

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<v Speaker 1>players on the Columbia University women's basketball team and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get them to shoot underhanded. Our theory was, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is just a dumb man's thing. Maybe women are

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<v Speaker 1>more rational when they're on the court.

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<v Speaker 3>So we are in Columbia's basketball gym and we are

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<v Speaker 3>going to compare overhand shooting to underhand shooting. Hey, here

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<v Speaker 3>he goes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's er Talkov, a junior in the team. She missed

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<v Speaker 1>her first try.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you could bend in the kne a

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<v Speaker 2>little more on that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she makes the next two shots, her first two

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<v Speaker 1>ever shooting underhanded. But Jacob couldn't get any of the

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia players interested in switching over. Here's Sarah Mead, senior

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<v Speaker 1>point guard.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever since we were young, we were taught to shoot

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<v Speaker 3>it overhand, and you know, as kids, you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>play around with the idea of a granny shot or underhand.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm not sure we've ever taken it seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>She calls it a granny shot, a shot used by

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest players ever to play the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Women are as bad as men. We like to think

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<v Speaker 1>that good ideas will spread because they're good, because their

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<v Speaker 1>advantages are obvious. But that's not true. So why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they Or to put it another way, what is it

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<v Speaker 1>about Rick Berry that allowed him to shoot this way?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is it about Wilt Chamberlain and all the

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<v Speaker 1>others that stands in their way? Let me try out

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<v Speaker 1>a theory on you. It's from a sociologist named Mark Granovetter.

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<v Speaker 1>Granavetter is one of the greatest social theorists of his generation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an academic groupie like I am, Granavetter is

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<v Speaker 1>like James Dean. So Granoveter came up with something called

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold model of collective behavior. He was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>answer the question of why people do things out of character.

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<v Speaker 1>Use riots as his big example, why do otherwise law

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<v Speaker 1>abiding citizens suddenly throw rocks through windows? Before Granavetter came along,

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<v Speaker 1>sociologists tried to explain that kind of puzzling behavior in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of beliefs. So the thinking went, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a set of beliefs, but when you throw the

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<v Speaker 1>rock through the window, something powerful must have happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment to change your beliefs. Something about the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>transforms the way you think. Here's Granavetter explaining that idea.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a lot of intellectual tradition that said that

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<v Speaker 5>when people got into a crowd, their independent judgment went

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<v Speaker 5>out the window, and that they somehow became creatures of

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<v Speaker 5>the crowd, and that there was some kind of I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, miasma of irrationality would settle over people and

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<v Speaker 5>they would act in ways that they would never act

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<v Speaker 5>if they were by themselves or they weren't influenced by

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<v Speaker 5>the mob mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>But Granna Better doesn't buy it. He doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>being part of the mob casts some kind of spell

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<v Speaker 1>that makes everyone irrational. To his mind, it's much more

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<v Speaker 1>subtle and complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Than that.

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<v Speaker 5>People are pretty much who they are, But if the

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<v Speaker 5>situation develops in a certain way, then there's a domino effect.

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<v Speaker 5>Some people are activated and that activates other people in

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<v Speaker 5>that activates other people, and it all happens so fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Granaveetter says that the issue isn't about people having beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>about what's right and then suddenly losing those beliefs because

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<v Speaker 1>they're in a mob. The issue is about thresholds. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Granaveetter mean by that word threshold? A belief

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<v Speaker 1>is an internal thing. It's a position we've taken in

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<v Speaker 1>our head or in our heart. But unlike beliefs, thresholds

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<v Speaker 1>are external. They're about pure pressure. Your threshold is the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people who have to do something before you

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<v Speaker 1>join in. Granavedterer makes two crucial arguments. The first is

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<v Speaker 1>that thresholds and beliefs sometimes overlap, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the time they don't. When your teenage son is driving

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles an hour at midnight with three of

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<v Speaker 1>his friends, it's not because he believes that driving one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles an hour is a good idea. In that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>his beliefs are irrelevant. His behavior is guided by his threshold.

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<v Speaker 1>An eighteen year old may be drunk at midnight in

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<v Speaker 1>a car with three of his friends. That person has

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<v Speaker 1>a really low threshold. It doesn't take a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>encouragement to get him to do something stupid. Granavetter's second

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<v Speaker 1>point is just as important. Everyone's threshold is different. There

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<v Speaker 1>are plenty of radicals and troublemakers who might need only

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<v Speaker 1>slight encouragement to throw that rock. Their threshold is really low.

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<v Speaker 1>But think about your grandmother. She might well need her sister,

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<v Speaker 1>her grandchildren, her neighbors, or friends from church, all of

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<v Speaker 1>them to be throwing rocks before or she would even

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<v Speaker 1>dream of joining in. She's got a high threshold. The

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<v Speaker 1>riot has to be going on for a very long

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<v Speaker 1>time and has to involve a whole lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>before Grandma will join in. Granavetter's argument goes on in

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<v Speaker 1>much more detail, all of it fascinating, and I encourage you,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're interested, to look it up online and read

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's beautifully clear. But for the moment, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to focus on the one big implication of

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<v Speaker 1>Grandavetter's argument. What people believe isn't going to help you much.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to understand why they try or don't

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<v Speaker 1>try difficult or problematic or strange things. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the social context in which they're operating. Your grandmother's

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<v Speaker 1>belief is that rioting is wrong, but there are times

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<v Speaker 1>when even grandmothers might throw rocks through windows. Granavetter's theory

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<v Speaker 1>explained a lot of things that have been puzzling to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a good example. It's from an interview I

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<v Speaker 1>did at the ninety second Street Wall in New York

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<v Speaker 1>with the economist Richard Thaylor, who's one of the leading

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<v Speaker 1>lights in what's called behavioral economics. He had a book

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<v Speaker 1>coming out called Misbehaving, and I really liked it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we thought it would be fun if we did an

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<v Speaker 1>event together. You and I have met before. The first

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<v Speaker 1>time we met was at a hotel bar in Rochester, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the only time I've ever Faylor is the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's interested in everything, including sports, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a point in our conversation when he started to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that the owners of professional football teams

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<v Speaker 1>do things on occasion that are really stupid and inexplicable.

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<v Speaker 1>Take the professional football draft. For those of you who

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<v Speaker 1>are not football fans. Let me explain. Every year, all

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<v Speaker 1>the draft eligible college football players are thrown into a

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<v Speaker 1>big pool, and the thirty two professional football teams pick

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<v Speaker 1>the players they want one by one. The first player

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<v Speaker 1>taken as the one that people think will be the

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<v Speaker 1>best professional player. That person gets it's the biggest salary.

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<v Speaker 1>The second player taken is the one predicted to be

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<v Speaker 1>the second best professional player, and so on. And after

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<v Speaker 1>every team has picked one player each, they all start

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<v Speaker 1>again and do another round. Because the players selected in

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<v Speaker 1>the first round are considered the most valuable, all the

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<v Speaker 1>teams fight over them. They pay enormous sums of money

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<v Speaker 1>and construct elaborate deals to try and acquire those high

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<v Speaker 1>draft picks.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about that is there's a market for picks,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can trade the first pick for say, half

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen second round picks. That's what the market says. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that implies that the first pick is five times more

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<v Speaker 2>valuable than an early pick in the second round.

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<v Speaker 1>Filer in a colleague named Kade Massey decide to analyze

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<v Speaker 1>this assumption. Was it really true that a first round

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<v Speaker 1>pick was worth half a dozen second round.

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<v Speaker 2>Picks if you compute the surplus a player provides to

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<v Speaker 2>his team, meaning how good his performance is minus how

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<v Speaker 2>much you have to pay him. What we found is

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<v Speaker 2>these second round picks are actually more valuable than that

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<v Speaker 2>first pick, but you could get five of those for

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<v Speaker 2>that pick. It's the biggest anomaly I've ever found.

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<v Speaker 1>The implication of Taylor in Massey's work is that teams

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<v Speaker 1>should trade away their first round picks. They should stockpile

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<v Speaker 1>players in the second and third rounds who can be

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<v Speaker 1>paid a lot less and are nearly as good. This

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<v Speaker 1>is how you build a winning football team. So what

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<v Speaker 1>was the reaction of NFL teams to Taylor's idea. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not long after he and Kate Massey did their research,

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<v Speaker 1>they got a call from the Washington Redskins.

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<v Speaker 2>It was early in Dan Snyder's tenure as owner, and

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<v Speaker 2>I met him and he said, oh, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to know about this, and he introduced me. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to send my people to see you, and they flew

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<v Speaker 2>out to Chicago. I met with Gad and me and

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<v Speaker 2>we told them what our findings were. And we basically

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<v Speaker 2>have two pieces of advice, trade down and lend picks

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<v Speaker 2>this year for picks next year.

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<v Speaker 1>With that last sentence, Taylor is referring to the second

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<v Speaker 1>thing he and Massy discovered. Owners sometimes trade a pick

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<v Speaker 1>in this year's draft for a pick in some future draft.

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<v Speaker 1>They use a rule of thumb to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to value the difference between a player you can use

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<v Speaker 1>this year versus a draft pick you can't use until

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<v Speaker 1>some future year. And Taylor and Massy discover that the

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<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb makes no sense. It's completely irrational. It

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<v Speaker 1>massively overvalues current picks and undervalues future picks. Like a

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<v Speaker 1>good economist, Taylor talks about the value of that rule

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<v Speaker 1>of thumb as an interest rate. It's like borrowing money.

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<v Speaker 2>If you compute the real interest rate, it's one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty seven percent per year.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, for the privilege of having a player now,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to waiting a year, the owners pay a

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<v Speaker 1>huge premium. They borrow money at one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent interest.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys did not get to be billionaires borrowing at

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty seven percent per year, But that's

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<v Speaker 2>the rule of thumb they use. So anyway, we taught

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<v Speaker 2>his guys Stans guys what to do, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>watched the draft eagerly that year, and they traded up

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<v Speaker 2>and borrowed a picked this year for one next year.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, the Redskins did the exact opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>what they should have done if they were rational, and

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't the only ones. Dyla and Massi have consulted

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<v Speaker 1>for three NFL franchises now and no one has ever

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<v Speaker 1>followed their advice. It gets worse. There's a very respected

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<v Speaker 1>economist named David Romer who famously proved that football teams

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<v Speaker 1>would win more games if they didn't punt, if they

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<v Speaker 1>simply use all four dens to try and gain ten

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<v Speaker 1>yards as opposed to giving the ball away to their opponents.

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<v Speaker 1>So since Romer published his work, are NFL teams less

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<v Speaker 1>likely to punt on fourth down? You guessed it?

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<v Speaker 2>No to tell you how big this is if you

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<v Speaker 2>did this right, But we think you would win one

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<v Speaker 2>game a year more if you also learned to go

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<v Speaker 2>for it more often on fourth down another game and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. So, just being smart, we win at least

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<v Speaker 2>two games a year on average.

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<v Speaker 1>Two extra wins in a sixteen game season, just by

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<v Speaker 1>acting a little bit differently. Who wouldn't do that? But

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would? Now is that because they're stupid, because they

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<v Speaker 1>have irrational beliefs. That was my first thought when I

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to Theodore talk about his football research. Those

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<v Speaker 1>dumb football owners. But that can't be right. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to their level by being dumb. Surely this is

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<v Speaker 1>about thresholds. Football owners and coaches are a small group

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<v Speaker 1>of people. They all know each other, They've all done

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<v Speaker 1>things a certain way for a long time, and doing

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<v Speaker 1>things that way has made them a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a high threshold. These are a bunch of grandmothers.

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<v Speaker 1>The only way any of them is going to change

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<v Speaker 1>their behavior is if some radical goes first. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are no radical owners in the NFL. There's just Richard Taylor,

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<v Speaker 1>a geeky, middle aged economist from the University of Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of equations that you need a PhD

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<v Speaker 1>to understand.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some geek at every team who's read our paper.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of the Jonah Hill character in the movie Bunny Ball. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody pays attention to that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently there aren't a lot of radical in basketball either,

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<v Speaker 1>just the Berries and Shinano Ouaku, the Nigerian American who

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<v Speaker 1>plays for Louisville, And as it turns out, Mark granavetter.

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<v Speaker 5>When I was a teenager, and this would have been

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<v Speaker 5>mostly in summer camp, because I never really played basketball

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<v Speaker 5>outside of summer camp. But I got to be very

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<v Speaker 5>good at underhand frees throwing. Oh really, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>could make almost every shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wrong. There are three conditions under which someone

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<v Speaker 1>will try this shot. One if you're an offspring of

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Berry, two if your family is from another continent,

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<v Speaker 1>and three if you're a world famous sociologist. This, I

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<v Speaker 1>think gets us a little closer to the puzzle of Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 1>In his autobiography, he has this throwaway comment on the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of shooting underhanded. Chamberlain wrote, I felt silly like

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<v Speaker 1>a sissy shooting underhanded. I know I was wrong. I

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<v Speaker 1>know some of the best foul shooters in history shot

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Even now, the best one in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Berry, shoots underhanded. I just couldn't do it. Two

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<v Speaker 1>key things here. First, he writes, I know I was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>just as Granavetta would say, it's not Chamberlain's beliefs that

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<v Speaker 1>are getting in the way. He knows it's wrong. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I felt silly like a sissy. Remember the player for

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia who described shooting underhanded as a granny shot. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what Chamberlain's talking about. He is the one who look foolish.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a high threshold guy. He needs everyone to be

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<v Speaker 1>doing something new before he's willing to join in. But

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Berry, he's different. Rick Barry's dad comes to him

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<v Speaker 1>when he's a junior in high school and says, you

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<v Speaker 1>really ought to shoot underhanded. Rick's a pretty good free

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<v Speaker 1>throw shooter at that point, maybe seventy percent or so,

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<v Speaker 1>but his dad tells him he can do better. And

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<v Speaker 1>your initial reaction is I don't want to do it

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<v Speaker 1>right because it seemed to you like.

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<v Speaker 4>A well, I can't do it. I mean, it's with

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<v Speaker 4>the girl. I said that. I always remember it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I tell you, Dad, they're going to make fun of me.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the way the girls shoot. I can't do that,

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<v Speaker 4>said son. And I remember this so clearly, like it

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<v Speaker 4>was yesterday. Son. They can't make fun of you if

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<v Speaker 4>you're making them. And the first game I remember where

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<v Speaker 4>I did it was on the road in scotch Plains,

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<v Speaker 4>New Jersey. I shot the free throw guy in the

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<v Speaker 4>stands yells out, Hey, Barry a big sissy shooting like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and the guy next to him and I heard it

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<v Speaker 4>very clearly, he said, what are you making fun of

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<v Speaker 4>him for? He doesn't miss? So my dad's prophecy came

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<v Speaker 4>true and I was cool from that point forward, So

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't care anymore what they said. If I'm making

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<v Speaker 4>him that's all it really matters.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is that Barry actually has the same initial

0:26:58.876 --> 0:27:02.156
<v Speaker 1>reaction as Wilt Chamberlain. I'm going to look like a sissy.

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<v Speaker 1>But he thinks about it and he decides it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>bother him, or rather, his drive to be a better

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<v Speaker 1>shooter is stronger than his worry about what others think

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<v Speaker 1>of him. That's exactly what it means to have a

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<v Speaker 1>low threshold. The same mindset that can lead someone to

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<v Speaker 1>do something bad, like a teenager driving drunk with very

0:27:21.076 --> 0:27:25.156
<v Speaker 1>little encouragement, can also lead to brave or innovative behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a threshold of zero, you're someone who

0:27:29.116 --> 0:27:32.076
<v Speaker 1>doesn't need the support, or the approval or the company

0:27:32.116 --> 0:27:35.476
<v Speaker 1>of otters to do what you think is right. Now

0:27:35.516 --> 0:27:38.716
<v Speaker 1>here's the catch. The person who thinks this way is

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<v Speaker 1>not always easy to be around. Barry was never embraced

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<v Speaker 1>by his fellow players. There were a couple of notorious

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<v Speaker 1>articles about him in the nineteen eighties, full of quotes

0:27:48.356 --> 0:27:50.836
<v Speaker 1>like this from a former teammate. If you'd got to

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<v Speaker 1>know Rick, you'd realize what a good guy he was.

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<v Speaker 1>But around the league they thought of him as the

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<v Speaker 1>most arrogant guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Half the players disliked Rick, the other half hated him.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's another quote. He lacks diplomacy. If they sent him

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<v Speaker 1>to the UN he'd ended up starting World War III.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I was about winning. I was about giving my

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<v Speaker 4>best effort, and I had a very difficult time accepting

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<v Speaker 4>the fact. I wouldn't accept the fact if a teammate

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<v Speaker 4>is not going to play his hardest.

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<v Speaker 1>Barry's been out of the game for more than thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>but just talking about basketball made him tense. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a right way to play the game, and when people

0:28:28.156 --> 0:28:30.996
<v Speaker 1>didn't play it the right way, it drove him crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Watch a game, right, guy shoots free throw, misses it,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody goes up, slaps his hand. Where the hell did

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<v Speaker 4>that come from? I want to know who the guy is,

0:28:37.916 --> 0:28:40.076
<v Speaker 4>the guy that started doing that, and who was the

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<v Speaker 4>genius that said, man, that's a great idea, let's go

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<v Speaker 4>up and you know, slap the guy's hand and let's

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<v Speaker 4>go up, disturb his concentration when he's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 4>focusing on shooting his free throws, and worry about having

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<v Speaker 4>to slap the hands of his teammates.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you hear what upsets him? The social part of

0:28:53.476 --> 0:28:57.596
<v Speaker 1>the game, players paying attention to each other's feelings as

0:28:57.636 --> 0:28:59.556
<v Speaker 1>opposed to their own performance.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus the fact if he misses it, you should go

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<v Speaker 4>up and smack him in the head for missing the

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<v Speaker 4>free throw, not slap him on the hands and saying

0:29:04.196 --> 0:29:06.636
<v Speaker 4>it's okay. Because it's not okay. You just cost us

0:29:06.636 --> 0:29:09.076
<v Speaker 4>a point. I mean, I go nuts when I watch

0:29:09.236 --> 0:29:11.196
<v Speaker 4>this kind of stuff and nobody even talks about that,

0:29:11.436 --> 0:29:13.996
<v Speaker 4>and it's something that somebody brought up, somebody copied, and

0:29:14.036 --> 0:29:18.036
<v Speaker 4>now everybody does it, and it's stupid. I just have

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<v Speaker 4>a real problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Barry wrote an autobiography in nineteen seventy two called Confessions

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<v Speaker 1>of a Basketball Gypsy, which I have to say is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the strangest autobiographies I've ever read. There are

0:29:30.076 --> 0:29:32.716
<v Speaker 1>sections of the book Barry gives over to various people

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<v Speaker 1>in his life. They each write a few pages, and

0:29:35.596 --> 0:29:38.836
<v Speaker 1>he seems to care not one iota about what these

0:29:38.876 --> 0:29:42.516
<v Speaker 1>people say about him. So here is his mother comparing

0:29:42.556 --> 0:29:46.756
<v Speaker 1>Barry to his older brother Dennis. Rick has become famous

0:29:46.796 --> 0:29:49.036
<v Speaker 1>and made a lot of money. But what is that?

0:29:49.636 --> 0:29:53.156
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe Dennis leads the better life. Or here's

0:29:53.156 --> 0:29:56.796
<v Speaker 1>his dad defending him. There was an incident in Miami,

0:29:56.836 --> 0:29:59.316
<v Speaker 1>for example, that was blown out of proportion. I have

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<v Speaker 1>it on good authority that the player's jaw was broken

0:30:01.636 --> 0:30:05.356
<v Speaker 1>when he hit the floor, not from Rick's punch. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is his wife describing how they first met. He

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<v Speaker 1>was awful to me. He was always shoving me in

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<v Speaker 1>the pool, and I hated him for it. Oh, I

0:30:14.316 --> 0:30:16.836
<v Speaker 1>could take it. But there's always someone who goes too far,

0:30:17.116 --> 0:30:19.956
<v Speaker 1>who does it more than the others, beyond endurance, and

0:30:20.036 --> 0:30:24.076
<v Speaker 1>for me, that was Rick. I would not let my

0:30:24.316 --> 0:30:27.196
<v Speaker 1>parents and my wife say these things about me in

0:30:27.276 --> 0:30:28.836
<v Speaker 1>my own autobiography.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'd let people say what they wanted to I

0:30:30.636 --> 0:30:32.716
<v Speaker 4>didn't ask for editorial rights to be able to go

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<v Speaker 4>through and see what they said and see, oh no,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want that in there. I let him say

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<v Speaker 4>what they wanted to say.

0:30:38.036 --> 0:30:40.716
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't care the kind of person who would let

0:30:40.836 --> 0:30:44.196
<v Speaker 1>bad things be said about him in his own autobiography.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the kind of person who would shoot a free

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<v Speaker 1>throw that other people think looks ridiculous. I spent an

0:30:56.036 --> 0:30:58.836
<v Speaker 1>afternoon with Burry at his condo, and I'd read all

0:30:58.836 --> 0:31:01.676
<v Speaker 1>that stuff about him. Half the players disliked him, the

0:31:01.716 --> 0:31:04.756
<v Speaker 1>other half hated him. And I kind of braced myself

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<v Speaker 1>before I met him. But I liked him, Or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it makes more sense to say that I really admired

0:31:11.316 --> 0:31:15.596
<v Speaker 1>him because I finally understood what someone like Rick Berry

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<v Speaker 1>stands for. It's perfectionism. And what is a perfectionist? Someone

0:31:21.396 --> 0:31:24.996
<v Speaker 1>who puts the responsibility of mastering the task at hand

0:31:25.436 --> 0:31:30.396
<v Speaker 1>ahead of all social considerations. Who would rather be right

0:31:30.756 --> 0:31:34.236
<v Speaker 1>than liked? And how can you be good at something complex?

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<v Speaker 1>How can you reach your potential if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of that inside you. I know, we've

0:31:42.516 --> 0:31:45.196
<v Speaker 1>really only been talking about basketball, which is just a

0:31:45.236 --> 0:31:47.876
<v Speaker 1>game in the end, But the lesson here is much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than that. It takes courage to be good social

0:31:52.156 --> 0:31:56.036
<v Speaker 1>courage to be honest with yourself, to do things the

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<v Speaker 1>right way. Berry made me lunch, a perfectly delicious homemade

0:32:02.716 --> 0:32:08.356
<v Speaker 1>vegetable soup with an avocado salad, simple, nutritious. When we finished,

0:32:08.596 --> 0:32:12.316
<v Speaker 1>he cleaned up meticulously. He needed a ride into Charleston,

0:32:12.556 --> 0:32:14.876
<v Speaker 1>so he got into my rental car. He turned off

0:32:14.876 --> 0:32:17.196
<v Speaker 1>the heating, which had been on high because the weather

0:32:17.196 --> 0:32:20.436
<v Speaker 1>had warmed up. He carefully took my rental agreement and

0:32:20.516 --> 0:32:23.636
<v Speaker 1>tucked it into the sun visor. And then when there

0:32:23.676 --> 0:32:26.116
<v Speaker 1>was a sudden slowing of the traffic ahead, and I

0:32:26.196 --> 0:32:28.956
<v Speaker 1>breaked a moment too late. I saw his foot come

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<v Speaker 1>down in the passenger foot well, as if he were

0:32:31.516 --> 0:32:34.836
<v Speaker 1>breaking from me. Only he breaked just a fraction of

0:32:34.876 --> 0:32:38.116
<v Speaker 1>a second before me, because he's Rick Barry, and he

0:32:38.116 --> 0:32:41.316
<v Speaker 1>does things better than everyone else. And all the while

0:32:41.356 --> 0:32:44.916
<v Speaker 1>he told stories from his basketball days, recalling shots and

0:32:44.956 --> 0:32:48.036
<v Speaker 1>scores and things people said as if it were yesterday.

0:32:50.596 --> 0:32:52.756
<v Speaker 1>I think he understands the price he's paid for being

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<v Speaker 1>the way he is. It kept coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody should have me as a friend. I'm a good friend.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a loyal friend. I'm gonna be honest with you.

0:33:01.796 --> 0:33:03.636
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna be there if you need me. I mean,

0:33:03.636 --> 0:33:05.316
<v Speaker 4>i'm a good friend. I'm a good person. I was

0:33:05.356 --> 0:33:08.196
<v Speaker 4>brought up the right way. I'm a good person. Yet

0:33:08.196 --> 0:33:09.196
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not describing an easy life, but think of what

0:33:13.196 --> 0:33:16.596
<v Speaker 1>he gained. Rick Berry was the best basketball player he

0:33:16.596 --> 0:33:20.876
<v Speaker 1>could possibly have been, and Wilt Chamberlain could never.

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<v Speaker 4>Say that he's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying to get up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost incomprehensible to me that someone could have that

0:33:29.316 --> 0:33:36.636
<v Speaker 4>attitude to sacrifice their success over worrying about how somebody

0:33:36.716 --> 0:33:40.396
<v Speaker 4>feels about you, what it says about you. That's that's sad.

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<v Speaker 4>So I used to joke with Welt and God rest

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<v Speaker 4>his soul. I got to know him well later in

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<v Speaker 4>my life and said, you should have come to meet

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<v Speaker 4>with the one. You had horrible technique. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>gotta help you