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Speaker 1: From the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.

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Speaker 2: Wow sounds impressive, don't it It is? Anyway, we love biographies,

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Speaker 2: We love learning about people their lives. And in the

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Speaker 2: fact that I wrote one, you learn a lot about

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Speaker 2: yourself when you write your own story. I mean you

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Speaker 2: read it in the third person, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this guy, he's had to really screwed up life.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's me. Kind of cool. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Kiki Palmer has been doing the business since she was

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Speaker 2: so young, and now here she is in her thirties,

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Speaker 2: she's still doing it. She wrote her book called Master

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Speaker 2: of Me, and this is, as Gandhi was saying, a

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Speaker 2: very perfect, perfectly timed book, of course, with all the

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Speaker 2: stories coming out, where we learn more about people who

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Speaker 2: grew up in the business and what they're all about.

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Speaker 2: She's putting she's smoking a cigarette.

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Speaker 3: Which what's she doing? She's putting a lipstick.

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Speaker 4: Okay, NAT's doing the lipstick motion with his an.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I thought she's out. Kiki's out smoking a cigarette.

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Speaker 2: She'll be here in a moment.

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Speaker 3: I don't know his lipstick done. Kicky Palmer, come on

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Speaker 3: in here, Hey, this is right here.

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Speaker 1: How are you are you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My gosh, she is gorgeous.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: By the way, when you walk past Danielle, she does

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Speaker 3: the sniff tap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you smell good.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of creepy when guests come in and the

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Speaker 2: first thing we talk about is the way they smell haha.

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Speaker 1: But also smelling is a good you know.

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Speaker 2: Can you keep an eye on Key's microphone level? Make

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Speaker 2: sure you're good? Yes, Hey, welcome to the show. And

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Speaker 2: as you go, when you put a book out, you

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Speaker 2: gotta get up early in the morning.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, boy, the last couple of days four am,

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Speaker 6: four am, it's been no joke.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our hell, it's no joke. This is why

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Speaker 3: we look like this.

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Speaker 2: So uh, gandhi, our co host is in she's in Columbus,

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Speaker 2: so she's doing the show there. Froggy is in Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: up there, Daniel's here and I'm Elvis, your host. How's

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Speaker 2: your espresso.

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Speaker 1: It's fabulous. I do appreciate this obviously for you.

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Speaker 3: It's honey, this is need Mama needs fuel. You know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: What made you you don't have to don't uh. The

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Speaker 2: hair is looking perfect, thank you? Headphones ruined great hair?

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Speaker 2: What made you can decide to do a book. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a very general, easy question, but no, what what's

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Speaker 2: your story?

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Speaker 1: So I did my.

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Speaker 6: First book when I was twenty one. I think it

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Speaker 6: was kind of like it's called I Don't Belong to You.

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Speaker 6: Is really about the realization that you, you know, starting

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Speaker 6: to understand that I don't really I'm never going to

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Speaker 6: really get life, you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 6: at eighteen, you're assuming, because everybody's like you're grown, that

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Speaker 6: something's going to click and it didn't happen. And so

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Speaker 6: I think I was like living with that, and I

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Speaker 6: wrote that first book, you know, and it was about

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Speaker 6: realizing that I don't belong to other people's ideas of me.

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Speaker 6: And so I think this is kind of like an

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Speaker 6: my life, and now it's about mastering me, mastering and

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Speaker 6: controlling how I feel about those ever changing waves in

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Speaker 2: Do you ever look back at your first book and go, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that was me then And I'm definitely not there now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not thinking that way and I have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah since then.

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Speaker 6: I think, yes, especially my ideas around the things that

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Speaker 6: I was talking about back then, I think that's evolved.

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Speaker 6: My understanding of it has. You know, you have perspective

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Speaker 6: with time is you know you're not going to ever

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Speaker 6: really see things for as they are, I think, until

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Speaker 6: you get away from them. And so when I look

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Speaker 6: at all that's happening in those ten years and how

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Speaker 6: it's informed my experiences, I'm not the same person.

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Speaker 1: I'm much clearer.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, so what you're thirty one, thirty one years old? Honey,

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Speaker 2: I am thirty. I'm thirty years older than you, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you right. Oh, oh my.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, come on out, really thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain this bad mustache in a second. Thirty one

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Speaker 2: and I'm a sixty one year older. Oh, she doesn't

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Speaker 2: This is the journey of life, the things you grow

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Speaker 2: and learn, the good, the bad, and God knows we've

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Speaker 2: all had all of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I talk about it. So, I mean I

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Speaker 6: I think there's again life is going to keep on

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Speaker 6: teaching you more and more and more like what I

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Speaker 6: thought it twenty one changed from what I think at

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Speaker 6: thirty one, and it's going to keep on going. Forty

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Speaker 6: one one, fifty one et cetera, et cetera. But I

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Speaker 6: want to remember myself the way that I know me.

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Speaker 6: I think that's also a part of why I started

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Speaker 6: to love writing books like this, is because I get

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Speaker 6: to tell my own story. You know, the subtitle it's

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Speaker 6: Master of Me. But it's the secret to controlling your narrative.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's so important in life because so

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Speaker 6: many people try to tell you who you are.

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Speaker 2: Well, now I have two books on on the top

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Speaker 2: of my stack, my mountain of books, Key Keys of course,

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Speaker 2: Master of Me and Share Part one.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, chair part one. Now where's Part

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Speaker 1: two at?

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Speaker 3: She hasn't even started it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, So part one came out yesterday.

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Speaker 3: She almost didn't do two.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's just being known though it's known

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Speaker 1: that it's coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Before, so Gandhi and I were talking, we were all

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Speaker 2: three talking earlier about how the timing of this book.

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Speaker 2: We are in very much assumption that it is perfect

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Speaker 2: for the times with other people who are in the business.

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Speaker 2: Right Gandhi, what were you saying?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely? Can she hear me without the headphone?

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Speaker 3: Oh well a little bit? Can you hear yep?

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Speaker 1: I agree?

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Speaker 3: Now, don't miss with the hair.

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Speaker 7: What a g The hair is incredible. No, I just

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Speaker 7: I know that.

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Speaker 8: So much has been going on, and you've been in Hollywood.

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Speaker 8: Growing up on its own is crazy. Growing up in

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Speaker 8: Hollywood has to be crazier. And now we're getting all

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Speaker 8: what I am not okay with. In that context, what

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing I've learned or I realized.

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Speaker 6: And maybe this is just you know, my reframing, but

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Speaker 6: is that we all? I mean, the industry is so sensationalized.

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Speaker 6: Being a child entertainer is so sensationalized. It's a unique experience.

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Speaker 6: think a lot of us were parentalized children. I mean,

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Speaker 6: trying to make it, you know, losing our innocence, the

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Speaker 6: necessary losses that come with growing up. So even though

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Speaker 6: the themes we all experience in life. You know, you're

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Speaker 6: not gonna get your childhood back, and there is no

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Speaker 6: perfect childhood. There's always some stuff that you wish you

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Speaker 1: Life ain't like that?

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Speaker 3: You know what nobody is?

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody is.

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Speaker 8: I think that you have been able to figure out

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Speaker 8: and still be a kid. Like, do you have advice

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 6: My honest answer would be the innocence will be lost.

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Speaker 6: It will be lost. Innocence is lost in responsibility, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's a necessary loss. I mean think you

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Speaker 6: And so I think I deal more in not feeling

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Speaker 6: Am grateful for the discipline, the responsibilities, the things that

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't change it, and I don't think it can

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Speaker 6: You know, sports, doing anything that you're going to be

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Speaker 6: on things you otherwise wouldn't And there is a loss

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you.

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Speaker 2: At the age where you finally can look back and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I've had so many situations like that,

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Speaker 6: call it like a situational accelerator where the situation slowly

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Speaker 6: it's situational accelerator. I got this from Society Fast sensational

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Speaker 6: situational situational accelerator. So it's like, you know, the situation

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Speaker 6: literally accelerates you. Without it, otherwise you maybe wouldn't have,

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Speaker 6: or perspective or whatever it is. And so yeah, I

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Speaker 6: many moments where I've the situation has accelerated me to

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Speaker 6: seeing things in a different way, having to lean into it.

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Speaker 6: I'm big on leaning and surrendering into it because that's

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Speaker 6: because I have to be.

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Speaker 1: Honest with myself.

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Speaker 6: If I'm not honest with myself in these situations, then

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Speaker 6: there's no way for me to overcome them.

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Speaker 2: Denial is zero enemy. It really is it really is.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in a house of denial. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we we would just all that, all that's awful, that happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's go back to barbershop too. Let's go on,

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Speaker 2: So at ten years old, it wasn't playtime anymore. You

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Speaker 8: So you have so many talents. You've done a million things,

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Speaker 7: From you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to do bad Way again. You know,

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Speaker 6: And I was like, shit, I got to be back

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Speaker 3: Debbie Allen has the full package.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, she really does well.

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Speaker 3: I could be like the first old white gay guy,

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Speaker 7: She's gonna spin her coffee.

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Speaker 3: Uncle all come on, guncle.

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Speaker 1: For that? Why not?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, I mean, why not?

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Speaker 1: Are you telling your story? Yes, yes, I live. Take

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Speaker 2: That's a move if you're just turning us on. A

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Speaker 2: Master of Me is her new biography. It's Keiky Palmer.

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Speaker 2: Of course I love the cover.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, of course, I'm sure you've been asked. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: ask you again. It's a beautiful photo of Kiki and

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Speaker 2: she's holding a marionette, who obviously is you, I'm assuming yep.

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Speaker 3: What the hell is going on?

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Speaker 1: I think it was a lot of everything you just said.

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Speaker 6: I think, I think that the truth is I've always

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Speaker 1: I don't want it to just be me, Kiki. I

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Speaker 6: Everything I stood for, you know. And so that's that's

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Speaker 2: Well, in just fifteen minutes, look at all of the

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Speaker 3: You're not leaving yet, yes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so now you're growing up in this business. You

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Speaker 6: I say yes, But I tell him exactly what I

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Speaker 6: Everybody likes something. I want him to find something. If

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Speaker 3: Yes, he can take the spot.

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Speaker 6: do my show with. There's still autonomy and you surrendering

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Speaker 6: yourself to that person. And that's why I always say

442
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Speaker 6: you should have partners that you respect, you know, anytime

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Speaker 6: you go into a situation like I'm on set sometimes

444
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Speaker 6: and I'll see an actor going back and forth with director,

445
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Speaker 6: I'm like, what you did this movie for?

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Speaker 1: If you didn't trust the dude, why'd you do the movie?

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

448
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Speaker 6: And so for me, that's one of the most exciting

449
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Speaker 6: things to do as a collaborator in anything I do,

450
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Speaker 6: is to surrender with my partner and to find that

451
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Speaker 6: thing together, you know, because that's I think that's what

452
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Speaker 6: it's about.

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Speaker 2: We only have a few more seconds Gandhi head of question,

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Speaker 2: took the headphones.

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Speaker 7: We go again.

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Speaker 8: I know that you were recently talking about your experience

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Speaker 8: with the mac Gala.

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Speaker 7: Is the mac Gala something you would.

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Speaker 8: Recommend other people going to or is it something people

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Speaker 8: should avoid.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that people should avoid it, but I

462
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Speaker 6: definitely don't know that it's for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Right, So wait, what was your experience? What did you think?

464
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Speaker 2: I just felt out of place. I felt uncomfortable. I

465
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Speaker 2: didn't like what I was wearing. All these people around

466
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Speaker 2: me were I was being pushed around. I feel like

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Speaker 2: it was in a hallway.

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Speaker 1: Most people could feel that way. It's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much big of a celebrity or

470
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Speaker 2: whatever you are, you still get you feel pushed around

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Speaker 2: and a carpet.

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Speaker 4: Like the most exciting thing, and then once you get

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Speaker 4: inside it's not as exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's like a performance aspect, So if you like,

476
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Speaker 6: you know, if you're interested in who's the performer, or

477
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Speaker 6: if you know people in there, you know you have

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Speaker 6: people that you want to talk to. But ultimately, I

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Speaker 6: think it's like a you know, I realized and without

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Speaker 6: saying like a networking event. But essentially it's a place

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Speaker 6: for you to collaborate with fashion, you know, as an entertainer,

482
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Speaker 6: whatever your medium means, it's an opportunity for you to

483
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Speaker 6: find other people to collaborate and tell stories with. But

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Speaker 6: I don't think that you feel that way going in

485
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Speaker 6: the first time. It's kind of overwhelming, you don't really

486
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Speaker 6: you know, fashion can feel elitist, so you sometimes are

487
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Speaker 6: like did I wear the right thing? And you're questioning

488
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Speaker 6: your a vibe and did I get the theme right?

489
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Speaker 6: But once you've gone back a couple more times, you realize, Okay,

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Speaker 6: this is I'm really with a group of storytellers and

491
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Speaker 6: they're used in fashion to tell their story, and then

492
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Speaker 6: that becomes a little bit more interesting, you know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying. Like the first couple of times I went

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Speaker 6: with Sergio Hudson and he was the person that really

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Speaker 6: helped me to understand it from that standpoint, you know,

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Speaker 6: And then I you know, went the second the next

497
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Speaker 6: time with Mark Jacobs and the same thing. And so

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Speaker 6: if it can become a really cool thing if you're

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Speaker 6: into it. So if you're not, then it's like, uh,

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Speaker 6: but if you are, you know what I mean? Then

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Speaker 6: I would say, go for it.

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Speaker 2: You know who I'm loving this is a designer who

503
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Speaker 2: listens to show, has been listening to our show since. Okay,

504
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Speaker 2: he's amazing. His name is stand by Evan Hirsch. Okay,

505
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Speaker 2: he's a big he's a big listener her show. He's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff. I mean, I didn't see

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Speaker 2: you some ins, Evan hurt you.

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Speaker 6: Do you do?

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Speaker 7: I gotta get even stound me.

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Speaker 2: Come on, so don't did you get to did you

511
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Speaker 2: get the answer to the question because we don't want

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Speaker 2: to and off we splintered.

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Speaker 3: Off.

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Speaker 8: Well, I saw that she said Nicki Minaj. She thought

515
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Speaker 8: Nicki Minaj was gonna curse her out, so yeah.

516
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Speaker 1: Because she doesn't play. Okay, I don't heard something.

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Speaker 6: So I was like, now wait a minute, Nikki. You

518
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Speaker 6: know I don't do it to me. But yeah, she

519
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Speaker 6: was actually really really sweet. She's I've always had a

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Speaker 6: really good relationship with her whenever I've seen her. It's

521
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Speaker 6: not a real relationship, but like she helped me get

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Speaker 6: my pictures for my uh you know, my baby photos

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Speaker 6: for David la Chapelle. And then when I seen her

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Speaker 6: at the mc gala, she was like, you know, pull

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Speaker 6: me to the side. I didn't know what she was

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Speaker 6: gonna say, because, like I said, I don't talk to

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Speaker 6: her that much.

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Speaker 1: But she was really encouraging.

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Speaker 6: And it's something that I mentioned in the book that

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Speaker 6: I think, and I'm sure you feel the same way.

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Speaker 6: You know, you got all of us in our industry,

532
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Speaker 6: you know it, we're normal people and stuff like that,

533
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Speaker 6: but the job sometimes makes our experiences very unique, and

534
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Speaker 6: even the people closest to us don't always know how

535
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Speaker 6: to help us with that. So I felt, really, I

536
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Speaker 6: really loved the moment of her what she shared with me,

537
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Speaker 6: which was to make selfish choices even though I feel

538
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Speaker 6: the weight of people watching me. Wow, it's okay to

539
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Speaker 6: be selfish and make selfish choices even though people are

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Speaker 6: watching me.

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Speaker 1: Because your life is still your personal life. You're allowed

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Speaker 1: to have it.

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Speaker 6: And I think I am somebody that takes my being

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Speaker 6: a public figure quite seriously. And so at that time

545
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Speaker 6: when she said that, it was very encouraging to me

546
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Speaker 6: because it's like, yeah, you know what, every choice I making,

547
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Speaker 6: everything I do don't have to be for the world's

548
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Speaker 6: okay if it's if it's just for me, This.

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Speaker 2: Is gonna apply to people who are not in public,

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Speaker 2: I mean anyone in everyone. No matter what you're doing

551
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Speaker 2: in life, you can make selfish choices. You can and

552
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Speaker 2: you should because no one will make those selfish choices.

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Speaker 1: For you for you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so there's someone here wants to meet you. David

555
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Speaker 2: works in our promo department.

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Speaker 3: He brought you. He brought you flowers. Don't mess up

557
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Speaker 3: the hair. There's hugging going on. He brought you some flowers.

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Speaker 3: So sweet, David.

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Speaker 2: David was so excited you were coming in here todays babe, David.

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Speaker 3: David Keky Palmer. David, how are you nice to meet you?

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Speaker 3: I never get nervous, but like for you, I'm taking

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Speaker 3: the flowers are beautiful, David, what what's your question? So?

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Speaker 3: What have we learn from Kiki so far? Today? Everything?

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Speaker 5: I think your book got on Amazon yesterday, so it

565
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 5: was waiting for me when I came home. But your

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Speaker 5: first work, you talked about not being typecasted and you know,

567
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Speaker 5: trying to not stick to one role. And that's kind

568
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Speaker 5: of what I've been through in my career, not trying

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Speaker 5: to stick to this one box.

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Speaker 3: Right.

571
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Speaker 5: I was following you forever and I was telling Diamond

572
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Speaker 5: like I was channel hopping with you, so when you

573
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Speaker 5: were on Disney would jump in and then Nick with

574
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Speaker 5: True Jackson and my grandma and I saw Kila and

575
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Speaker 5: the Bee like I was there. So I'm such a

576
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Speaker 5: big fan and just thank you for the representation of me,

577
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Speaker 5: like growing up being young, gay, not having anybody.

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Speaker 3: To look up to. I was like, okay, well I'm

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Speaker 3: not a girl.

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Speaker 5: But I could definitely watch and learn from you, like

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Speaker 5: just having that representation, having an icon.

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Speaker 7: I love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everything that you just said

584
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Speaker 1: to me. So much to me, seriously.

585
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Speaker 5: Just idols and idols that are still here, still working,

586
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Speaker 5: still getting coins.

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Speaker 2: For every for everyone David you meet, there's hundreds of

588
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Speaker 2: thousands of other David's out there, or Donna's or you

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Speaker 2: know or not. Then my pronoun is it? What does

590
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Speaker 2: it want? It's on the phone. But anyway, but David

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Speaker 2: David is vocalizing what many people want to say to you,

592
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Speaker 2: so just he is the chorus of of your fans.

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Speaker 3: So I just enjoying those flowers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, And I got to tell you

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Speaker 2: it's a pleasure and honor to have you here. The

596
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Speaker 2: book is called Master of Me. Obviously, you've heard many

597
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Speaker 2: reasons why you need to make this thing in New

598
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Speaker 2: York Times bestseller.

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Speaker 3: I learned this with my book.

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Speaker 2: If you're just on that New York Times bestseller list

601
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Speaker 2: for one minute, you've got it because I was for

602
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Speaker 2: about a minute period.

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Speaker 1: I know that's right. Well, you got to let me

604
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Speaker 1: rub on you.

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Speaker 2: I'm like David Kikey Pomper, just love me an event.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's you got a long day when you're pushing books,

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Speaker 3: you get some come gandhi.

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Speaker 1: You know y'all got to be in a studio.

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Speaker 7: Y'all gotta be how sad I am right now. I'm

612
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Speaker 7: so sad.

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Speaker 8: Every time we mentioned you, I was like, I'm so

614
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Speaker 8: sad that I'm not there today.

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Speaker 3: I know you were definitely definitely here, so you are.

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Speaker 3: It's Kicky Palmer. Everyone. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys.

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