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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So that's Connie Willis dot Com. A lot of fun too,

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Speaker 2: by the way, you will be a blue rocker forever.

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Speaker 2: In fact, at the very beginning of when I started

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Speaker 2: that show, I had our guest on that is here tonight,

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Speaker 2: mister Paul Graves.

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Speaker 3: He's been on that.

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Speaker 2: Show at least three different times and maybe even more.

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Speaker 2: And I originally met Paul. I was introduced to Paul

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Speaker 2: by a couple that and I don't know if they

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Speaker 2: would want their name used or not, but they had

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Speaker 2: this beautiful home up and I'll even let Paul decide

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Speaker 2: if he wants to tell the areas or not, but

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Speaker 2: it's up there in that Pacific Northwest area. And this

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Speaker 2: incredible couple that I was introduced to by Ron Warhead,

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Speaker 2: who y'all he was here not too long ago, And

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Speaker 2: they had this really nice home with glass windows, well

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Speaker 2: windows from Florida, but all the way up like twelve

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Speaker 2: to fifteen foot high, I would say, because I remember

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Speaker 2: a window was twelve foot, A little small window that

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Speaker 2: they could look in was twelve at the twelve foot

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Speaker 2: we measured it. And they had said that there was

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Speaker 2: this sasquatch that was twelve foot that would roam around

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Speaker 2: that lived there by the house, and that there was

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Speaker 2: a mother, and that there was a juvenile. Anyway, they

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Speaker 2: had a ton of activity there, and a ton of

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Speaker 2: bigfoot researchers had been to this home before. And I

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Speaker 2: remember when I was actually asked to be there and

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Speaker 2: stay there. I was excited because I could be inside

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Speaker 2: a house, safe and warm, and I could just look

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Speaker 2: out the windows because these things would walk in and

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Speaker 2: even you know, walk around, but also knock on the

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Speaker 2: windows and get on the roof and be right there.

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Speaker 2: So I was excited that I didn't have to be

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Speaker 2: outside in a tent or something like that, could be

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Speaker 2: in the house looking out anyways. Amazing home, amazing couple,

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Speaker 2: and an amazing experience that I had there. In fact,

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Speaker 2: a lot of times when you have experiences with them,

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Speaker 2: later on you kind of get to where you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this happened. That happened. Things become more

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Speaker 2: clear later on, similar to abductions and abductees that they

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Speaker 2: don't remember stuff immediately. Sometimes they do, but if you

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Speaker 2: hold onto your feelings, your thoughts, and your memories, as

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Speaker 2: best you can to imprint you're going to start. It's

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Speaker 2: going to get clearer and clear about two weeks later,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll continue that way. So just remember that

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Speaker 2: those of you that think you might have been taken,

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Speaker 2: always in print, Always in print what you know, what

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Speaker 2: is going on with you, and just see what happens.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a dissolving and clarity comes about. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: when I was at this home, I was introduced by

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Speaker 2: phone with this guy, Paul Graves, who is with us tonight,

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Speaker 2: and he had been on that property and he had

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Speaker 2: some interesting things that happened, and I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: He was a step ahead, and I learned a ton

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Speaker 2: from him, I really did. And I didn't know how

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Speaker 2: much I learned until I continued on and saw a

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Speaker 2: lot of the things he spoke about, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of the things and procedures that he did. I learned

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Speaker 2: from Paul Graves, who you're gonna meet here right now.

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Speaker 2: So Paul Graves, he's been a long time sasquatch researcher.

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Speaker 2: He investigates throughout Washington and the Pacific Northwest outdoorsman. He

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Speaker 2: grew up in the base of the eastern Washington Cascade Mountains,

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Speaker 2: and he's been researching Sasquatch sidings for evidence since nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty eight. Now a lot of you are going to remember,

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Speaker 2: maybe the Eye of Sasquatch. My show had him do

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Speaker 2: the Eye of Sasquatch, the Footprints in the Snow.

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Speaker 3: And I think there was. I can't remember the third one.

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Speaker 2: It could have been where we just talked about those

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Speaker 3: It could have been something else.

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Speaker 2: But he's going to talk to you tonight about the

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Speaker 2: Eye of Sasquatch. He's going to talk about the footprints

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Speaker 2: in the snow, and he had something recent just happened too.

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Speaker 2: But I'm excited to bring him on. I consider him

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Speaker 2: a friend, I consider him a fellow researcher, and he

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Speaker 2: taught me so much to get where I'm at now.

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Speaker 2: And also he's a singer and he will we'll hear

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Speaker 2: some of his Sasquatch songs that he has out there too.

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Speaker 2: Paul Graves, welcome first time guests here to Coast to

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Speaker 2: Coast am Well, he.

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Speaker 4: Carnie, how are you doing tonight?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having Yeah, I'm so excited, Paul, it's

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Speaker 2: been a long time since I've talked to you, but

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Speaker 2: believe me, I mentioned your name often and I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things I remember is that because

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Speaker 2: your work, because I thought that was really cool, because

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Speaker 2: you were good at not only coming up with ideas

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Speaker 2: creating the way that you can use these ideas yourself,

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Speaker 2: but also, uh, if there was a footprint in the snow,

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Speaker 2: you knew exactly how to cast it.

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Speaker 3: And that's not an easy thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, luckily that's I for I own my own concrete.

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Speaker 4: I'm a concrete business. I do concrete work for a business,

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Speaker 4: so I cast pretty much every day and make forms

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Speaker 4: every day. So that that aspect of the UH investigation

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Speaker 4: And I encourage folks just to uh, get some plaster

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Speaker 4: a dog or whatever, and just just practice doing it

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Speaker 4: because it's it is good practice. It all though, all

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Speaker 4: though tracks are very rare. They really are rare to find.

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Speaker 2: So they are and the reason why, and it's so

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Speaker 2: hard to tell people this, Paul, and I know you

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Speaker 2: know it too. It is so hard because it has

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Speaker 2: to be the right terrain in the right spot where

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Speaker 2: it's not, you know, to get a perfect one. Especially,

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Speaker 2: it's got to be just in the right area of

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Speaker 2: not perfect for footprints just the.

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Speaker 4: Way it is right, no, absolutely correct, especially up here

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Speaker 4: in the Pacific Northwest. You know, I've come across quite

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Speaker 4: a few trackways, you know, throughout my career. I mean

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Speaker 4: a good number of them. But usually when you find

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Speaker 4: it's a trackway because there's large impressions and the stride

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Speaker 4: between one print to the other is rather large. But

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Speaker 4: the detail would be just terrible, and I mean, none

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Speaker 4: was a trackway that was went on for a long way.

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Speaker 4: I followed one threw over a couple miles one time

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Speaker 4: over in the Olympics, and it was it was clearly

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Speaker 4: something large and that was taking huge steps, but the

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Speaker 4: make record a track. And that's why there's not probably more,

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Speaker 4: although there's quite a few tracks and there's there's definitely

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Speaker 4: a lot more tracks than that are that are in

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Speaker 4: the public database. You know, there's a lot of private

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Speaker 4: people that have cast tracks that don't really care about

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Speaker 4: putting them into any database or whatever. You know. They

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Speaker 4: just a lot of folks up here in Washington, I guess,

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Speaker 4: kind of have a different attitude. They a lot of

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Speaker 4: people know they're out there, you know, and it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's like, no real big deal. It's just like, oh okay,

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Speaker 3: It's getting like that more and more everywhere else too,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you've got you know, a lot, a lot

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Speaker 4: of land out here for form, you know, to good,

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Speaker 4: good habitat for them to live, like the Winatchee National Forest,

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Speaker 4: which is right on my door step here in my

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Speaker 4: back door. It's over three and a half million acres

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Speaker 4: of the county I live in, the seventy no eighty

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Speaker 4: three percent, right around eighty three percent National Forest county

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Speaker 2: Beautiful are you right there on the line are you

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Speaker 2: that close.

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Speaker 4: I'm right at the end of the road is where

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Speaker 4: the mountain the castle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nice, nice.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's just a lot of habitat and there's

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Speaker 4: a there's a big history here, you know that goes back, yes,

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Speaker 4: you know, a long time, well back to the first inhabitants,

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Speaker 4: which would have been the Indian tribe here, the Wanatchi Indians,

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Speaker 4: and it's written up. I've got a booklet on it,

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Speaker 4: the Dead Future Road. And their name for the Sasquatch

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Speaker 4: was cho Nito and it literally translates to night people.

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Speaker 4: As you know, you know, the Sasquats. We don't really

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Speaker 4: look at them like they're another animal more bit more

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Speaker 4: like they're a little bit more like a hominid or

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Speaker 4: a hominid type creature. And I don't like to call

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Speaker 4: it apes, although we're apes, you know, And there's that

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Speaker 4: fine line between all that, and you can go back

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Speaker 4: and forth with that whole thing. But personally, I think

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Speaker 4: that there are probably some kind of lost hominid that

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Speaker 4: you know, Homo habilists is one that came out of

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Speaker 4: more about more and more about these these hominids that

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Speaker 2: You know, now you've you've covered a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 2: people will call you and say, hey, we've got something

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Speaker 2: happening over here, we got something happening over here. How

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Speaker 2: many times have you actually seen one yourself?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've had three what I call all three sightings,

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Speaker 4: hello here I am, although that's rare too. My first

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Speaker 4: sighting was I was actually driving up the logging road

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Speaker 4: and I came around a corner and something huge and

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Speaker 4: black was walking in the road from one side over

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Speaker 4: just kind of snapped out of it, and I think

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Speaker 4: and then this thing just it just literally went from

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Speaker 4: the middle of the road and it just in a

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe how fast this thing moved. But I

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Speaker 4: you know, getting a perfect look at it and everything.

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Speaker 4: It was dark. It seemed like it was bent over.

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Speaker 4: It might even have gone down onto all fours, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, but it was upright when I came around

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Speaker 4: the corner. It was paul because it was paullar from

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Speaker 4: the top of my jeep. And then another time I

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Speaker 4: saw one through. What I think I saw was was

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Speaker 4: one through possibly a night vision scope up in an

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Speaker 4: area that we've been all going to for quite a

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Speaker 4: long time, over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, you actually caught it on night vision. That's amazing,

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Speaker 2: That's that's rare.

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Speaker 4: Well, we were doing we were doing night walks, and

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Speaker 4: so there was like three or four groups of us

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Speaker 4: not using these last lights, and we were just walking

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Speaker 4: their curiosity. And I happened to have a third generation

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he was just out there because

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Speaker 4: he heard is obviously, you know. But we also had

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Speaker 4: some other things happening that night to some of the

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Speaker 4: people walking. People were cramping up, and there was different things.

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Speaker 4: People start feeling bad, you know, their stomachs were getting

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Speaker 4: upset and things like that. So interesting. They did that

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Speaker 4: whole thing and went back.

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Speaker 2: And then I got to ask this before you go

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Speaker 2: to your last one, I got to ask this, if

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Speaker 2: you had the third general, you're bragging on this third generation,

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Speaker 2: and good for you, good for you to brag.

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Speaker 3: You should, but you weren't recording.

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Speaker 4: No, because at the time it was it was actually

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Speaker 4: it wasn't mine. It was I was loan to me

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Speaker 4: and I don't think it had a recording device.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you of course, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, it's one of those things.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know the film, the whole film things

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Speaker 5: tough anyway, as you know it is, Yes, I like

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Speaker 5: to look at films and learn from films, but as

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Speaker 5: far as you know, trying to put them out there

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Speaker 5: to prove proven.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they're not going to prove nothing. You know, I'm good. Yes,

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Speaker 4: you have about films, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, he's the man to ask. He's yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: that's true. And your third one we were going.

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Speaker 4: To say, well, the third one was a daylight sighting

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Speaker 4: of a partial sasquatch, what I believe was a Sasquatch.

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Speaker 4: And I saw this literally about thirty thirty to forty

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Speaker 4: five seconds after it or something pushed over a tree

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Speaker 4: right across from our camp.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, really quote It.

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Speaker 4: Sounded like a car wreck. But you know, I they

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Speaker 4: do that up at this one area a lot. I've

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Speaker 4: had tons of trees come down all the time. But

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Speaker 4: it pushed the tree over. So I was with my

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Speaker 4: research partner and his wife, and we were at our

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Speaker 4: little camp spot. I said, wait a second, I go.

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Speaker 4: We all waited there a second, and I got it.

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Speaker 1: We all got up.

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Speaker 4: We walked across towards the sounds, you know, and it

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Speaker 4: always comes from at this particular area. All the sounds

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Speaker 4: come from this one area, and we never hike over there.

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Speaker 4: We leave this one area alone. We don't even go

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Speaker 4: over there. And look for tracks or nothing. We just

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Speaker 4: leave it alone. That's just one of one of my

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Speaker 4: techniques that I when I when I come into an area,

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Speaker 4: I always leave one area alone and hike in that area.

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Speaker 3: I understand, I completely I want to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we I mean every time I go there, I

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Speaker 4: just know that's the direction. Well, obviously they would knock

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Speaker 4: and scream and push trees over, and so we know

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Speaker 4: where they're at. But it pushed this tree over. So

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Speaker 4: we ended up at We waited a minute and walked

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Speaker 4: over there. We waited about yeah, thirty to forty five seconds,

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Speaker 4: maybe a minute, and we were standing there and I

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Speaker 4: just happened there was a bunch of trees in the way,

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Speaker 4: and I just happened to step back about ten feet

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Speaker 4: and there was just just enough you through the trees

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Speaker 4: where you could look back towards the road. And it

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Speaker 4: made a big bend in the road right there, and

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Speaker 4: this thing seemed like it had doubled back or something,

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Speaker 4: because it was just I just caught it going up

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Speaker 4: into the slide alder off the side of the road,

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Speaker 4: and I saw a huge shoulder and had a huge

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Speaker 4: arm and part of the head going all the way

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Speaker 4: up into the kind of the cone what looked like

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Speaker 4: a more of a pointed head to me. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it literally looked like there was a cone shape going

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Speaker 4: up that it could have just been the way the

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Speaker 4: hair was or something, because it was kind of blended

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Speaker 4: in with the slide alder at this point. So it

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Speaker 4: was again it wasn't a perfect sighting, but it was

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Speaker 4: as a partial. It's something massive, you know, sweeping into

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Speaker 4: the slide alder. You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that is amazing to me is

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Speaker 2: when they do push down a tree. What it is

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Speaker 2: an if you've never heard that anybody, If you've never

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Speaker 2: heard that in the forest, when a tree falls down

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Speaker 2: and hits all the other branches and the branches hitting

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Speaker 2: branches and the limbs hitting the limbs and it's coming down,

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Speaker 2: it is just a horrific sound. Actually, it's pretty scary

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Speaker 2: to hear. What do you think they do that for?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't know, and I don't We

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Speaker 4: talked a lot about this, and I don't even know

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Speaker 4: if it's a tree getting pushed over because a lot

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Speaker 4: of times what.

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Speaker 3: You don't find one. A lot of times you don't

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Speaker 3: find one, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: You don't find them. And then also, what to me

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Speaker 4: it sounds like is is almost like an explosion. I

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Speaker 4: call it like a car wreck. And it's so loud

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Speaker 4: and violent, but it'll it. You won't hear the other

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Speaker 4: branches hitting. It'll just be like a ah, that's it.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like an explosion or something. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We've speculated on that. And we also from this same

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Speaker 4: location though, we actually got what we think is a

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Speaker 4: sasquatch screaming and then pushing a tree over right after

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Speaker 4: it screams.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I love it.

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