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Speaker 2: You sure you're ready for listener, do my best, your

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Speaker 3: It's long been a symbol Alcatraz whatever it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: On ICE's non detained docket, they're currently tracking four one

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Rock.

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Speaker 2: Over thirteen thousand non citizens have convictions for homicide and

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Speaker 1: So I told you that the Democrats don't have a

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, So, like I said, they cut They

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Speaker 1: And when we look at that map on the eastern

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Speaker 1: What do you think of President Trump's insistence of late

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Speaker 1: When you look at the history of the Seuwiss Canal

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not until Somali pirates capture one of

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Speaker 1: You know, it's costing billions of dollars of loss, and

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Speaker 4: I completely agree.

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Speaker 5: I think the previous administration had the exact wrong approach

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Speaker 5: One thing together, remember is the Houthis would not be

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Speaker 4: That's the right step.

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Speaker 5: We need to take action to prove that we're willing

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, pull type one moment, Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro, we're

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Speaker 4: We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that's happening in this

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Speaker 5: plane with them. The houthis also, will you know, being

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Speaker 5: pirates will do things for money, right, They'll hoard They've

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Speaker 5: been hoarding field ships in certain ports, hiding it or

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Speaker 5: protecting it. The US is often unwilling to attack them

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Speaker 5: fully in those ports that they're holding because they don't

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Speaker 5: want to permanently damage the ports. But it's a significant

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Speaker 5: driver of not just the hooty operations, but they sell

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Speaker 5: it on the black market to funds those operations. So

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Speaker 5: there are many different aspects to the hooty threat, all

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Speaker 5: of them require a strong response from the US and

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Speaker 5: its allies.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the hoothy missile attack on

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Speaker 1: Bengurion Airport in Israel? And how how what US response

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Speaker 1: should be and what Israeli response will be and what

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Speaker 1: it should be if in fact what will happen is

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Speaker 1: not what you would say is most advisable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, so it demonstrates a significant escalation, both again

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Speaker 5: showing their advanced precision and range and their desire to

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Speaker 5: strike at Israeli civilian infrastructure and targets. It cannot go unheeded.

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Speaker 5: I believe the Israelis have already retaliated with strikes. Earlier

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Speaker 5: today there was a report that they destroyed the main

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Speaker 5: the airport in Senna. There's footage on social media showing

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Speaker 5: the airfield fully damaged and many planes destroyed. The Israelis

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Speaker 5: have indicated that this is only the start of a

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Speaker 5: retaliatory campaign. The Houthies, of course, have stated that the

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Speaker 5: Israelis have crossed a red line and there will be

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Speaker 5: response to that. And so you see that this cycle

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Speaker 5: will not end until we eliminate the Houthis as a

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Speaker 5: serious threat. And so yes, it's expected and advisable to

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Speaker 5: strike out and to retaliate in response to this, but

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Speaker 5: there needs to be a comprehensive strategy where the US

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Speaker 5: and Israelis are linked and they attack the Houthis and

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Speaker 5: the Iranians across all the different domains of national power. Right,

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Speaker 5: so that does not necessarily mean direct military strikes against Iran.

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Speaker 4: I know there's a

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Speaker 5: Big debate about that, but even leveraging economic instruence of power,

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Speaker 5: informational doing an information influence campaign to delegitimize the Houthis

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Speaker 5: amongst the m and EP