1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: What uh inspiring networks of violent accelerationism, my nihilistic loss 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: of faith in the possibility of human progress. And I don't, 3 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. That's probably not a good 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: way to Yeah, i'd beat like that sometimes, Garrison, what 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: are we What are we talking about today? This is 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: it could happen here podcast, Bad Things, World Falling Apart. 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: There's just been a big shooting in Boston. You probably 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: hear about not Boston, not Boston, Boston, not Boston, not this. 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Boston bombing. Oh, there we go. 10 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: It's also not really in Chicago. We should know. It's 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: like thirty right, Yeah, yeah, it's like it's it's it's 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a northern suburb. Yeah, it's like it's 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: And it's because I've heard a bunch of people say 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: it's like a super rich neighborhood, and then I've heard 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: other Chicago folks say that, like, no, it's like an 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: upper middle class neighborhood that used to be richer. And anyway, whatever, 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: it's not like Chicago that and yeah, we'll be talking 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: about it because it's it is an incident that fits 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: within a pattern of behavior that very few people understand 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: nor really prepared to think about. And it's part of 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: why is because if you actually understand what's going on 22 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: with this shooting, there is no political utility in what happened. 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: Um And I mean that the number of ways. There 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: is no if you are someone who is supportive of 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: more stringent gun control, there is not political utility in 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: the shooting for a number of reasons, including the fact 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: that Illinois has strict gun laws and while a lot 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: of Illinois gun crime has to do with weapons that 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: coming from other states, he bought his legally in the 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: state of Illinois. Um And even though like this guy 31 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: was on police radar, he had made threats before they 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: had confiscated all of his knives, and he's still allowed 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: to buy guns, even though Illinois has a red flag 34 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: law that very easily if you can confiscate Amand's knives 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: they could have confiscated. Has stopped him from buying guns 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. Plenty of laws on the books to have 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: stopped this, And it's useless in a left right political 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: sense of the word, because there are this guy does 39 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: not graph onto any of that I have. I think 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: it is there's a value and kind of putting out 41 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: some of the Trump imagery he's put on only because 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: the right has immediately left on calling him a transgender 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: anti for shooter. And I guess in terms of a 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: social media thing, sharing him draped in a Trump flag 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: is the quickest way to like rebut that, but that 46 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's not it's not not actually understanding what's 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: going on. Right, Yeah, there's very this is it's it's 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: in a pattern of shootings that are becoming more common 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the past few years. We saw it at the UH. 50 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: There's a school shooting last like October or November that 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: the shooter had a very similar profile. Um, and it's 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: a it's a part of this growing online trend using 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: imagery related to mental illness too encourage and justify mass 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: acts of violence in some rebellion from how our regular 55 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: society is structured and how people usually think of reality. 56 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: So it's it's something that we generally people who spent 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time researching this, myself included trying to 58 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: be very careful about how we talk about this, right 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: because we we don't want the wrong things boosted. But 60 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: also everyone just being in the dark isn't great either, right, 61 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: that's that's frustrating, right, If people are curious, they want 62 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: us start to look stuff up, and it's better that 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: they have someone who knows what they're talking about explaining 64 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: to them. Then then just have them being the wild 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: West of the Internet on site image boards or forms 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: learning about these nonsense propaganda styles. There's there's a few 67 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: things that are unique about this guy. I mean, he 68 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: was not only making the propaganda, but he also did 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: he also did a violent act that is actually more 70 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: unique than usual. Usually the people who are involved in 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: making this type of propaganda that he was making, he 72 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: made YouTube videos, music, he was he was very prolific 73 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: in what he was putting out content wise into the Internet. 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: And usually the people who put stuff out in this 75 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: style of propaganda and this style of like of a 76 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: very very like meme driven violent mental illness fetishization subcultures, 77 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: they don't generally the people who make the stuff don't 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: go and do the stuff. This is what instance where 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: this this did happen. So that's actually unique for a 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: few reasons. Yeah, I mean, I think one of the 81 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: things that's interesting about that is that and this is 82 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: something that has not been discussed nearly as much as 83 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: I think it ought to have. In the wake of 84 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: the shooting, this guy basically released an A r G 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: at the same time as he carried out his shooting, 86 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: Like basically, we're gonna get to that. I mean, because 87 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: in some ways this is a really good explanation, not explanation. 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: This is really an example of the post manifesto, like 89 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: post manifesto terrorism um where there's not there's not a 90 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: written manifesto. It's someone's entire online presence and their entire 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: online documentation is is that that serves as their manifesto, 92 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: the whole image of them online, everything they've put out, 93 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it represents the thing that they want spread. It's not people. 94 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: These types of people are are less likely to write, 95 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: you know, like a ten page thing about how about 96 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: why they hate X minority. Instead, they're gonna leave piles 97 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: and piles of clues and puzzle pieces, music videos and 98 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: content that lead people into what they want to project 99 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: as their mental state to be. UM. So it's like 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: everything isn't everything is part of what they want to 101 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: put out. Yeah, and I think both you can see 102 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: the act itself, the shooting itself, as an attempt to 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: spread the art that he was making and to spread 104 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: this like profile that he had built. There's a reason 105 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: why that logo that he had for himself, UM was 106 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: all over everything. There's a reason why unique logo, very 107 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: unique logo. He put out. Some of the videos, one 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: from ten months ago showed the location he's believed to 109 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: have started shooting from. It looks like um, so he 110 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: was planning this for a while and he I think 111 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: this was this was meant both as almost as like 112 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: an advertising campaign for this guy's EP, if you want 113 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: to look at it that way, but in a broader sense, 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: like like like it's it's it's it's more circular than that. Right. 115 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't just trying to spread his stuff, but he 116 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: was trying to spread his stuff in this this imagery 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: and branding that he had created for himself and in 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: order to put other people in that same mind state. 119 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: It was. It was also very personal to him. Um, 120 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: he's I've spent the past few hours watching watching hours 121 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: of the stuff that he's put out. UM, and I 122 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: mean he's there's there's videos that he's animated of him 123 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: doing a suicide by cop. Um, there's there's music videos 124 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: he's made about doing a school shooting. Um, these are 125 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: these are ideas and thoughts he has been grappling with 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: for a long time and he finally did the thing. 127 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm unsure currently if he always knew that he 128 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: was going to do this or if he was actually 129 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: trying to fight it. Now that's that's honestly not even 130 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: worth debating because it's not useful to what's going on 131 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: because he did it, because because he didn't. But we've 132 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: had you can see the types of stuff he's been 133 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: putting out, like, Yes, the street that he did the 134 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: shooting on, he has a long along zooming clip of 135 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: that same street in videos that was posted like over 136 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: a year ago. Um, so he's been he's been thinking 137 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: in this way for a long time. This isn't like 138 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: a fast radicalization. This is someone who has been heavily 139 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: steve in very very small niche online some cultures for 140 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: a long time. I like the guy is twenty two 141 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: years old, he's he's had his Twitter account since two 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: thousand eleven. He's been online so much. Um, it's deeply 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: online person deeply alienated, socially isolated, uh, deeply like disassociative. 144 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: And this is this is by the way, consistent with 145 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: what his friends have said, consistent with what people who 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: knew him and worked with him and put music and 147 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: albums together with him have have repeatedly. A number of 148 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: them at this point come out and said variations of like, yeah, man, 149 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: he got like really weird, like it was it not 150 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: not like and not in the way that like, oh 151 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: he got super into Q or like he became a Nazi, 152 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: but like he got weird in a way I didn't 153 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: understand and I stopped associating with he got he got 154 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: detached from parts of of like modern reality in ways 155 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: that are really hard for people to understand. Um, and 156 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: I think it's it is important to emphasize just that 157 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: the deeply online nature this he he had. He made 158 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: a whole music video titled I Rely on the Internet, 159 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: Um that you can't find anywhere, so don't even try 160 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: to go. You don't need to, you don't need to. 161 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: But like, but it opens, but it opens by him 162 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: saying I get mad when other people are more popular 163 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: than me on the internet. And the mass shooting is 164 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: in line with this, with this style of thinking, right, 165 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: he's he is he is trying to reify himself into 166 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: him into a memetic image to spread around the same 167 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: way many mass shooters try to do this same thing. 168 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: But he is doing this extremely intentionally. Um. He wants 169 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: to be the thing that represents a very specific idea, 170 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: and I'm it's again. We are always trying to be 171 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: carrying a careful but like, how much we get into 172 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: this because you don't want to boost the wrong thing. 173 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: But it's important to talk about because it's costing a 174 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: lot of people in their lives and no one really 175 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: knows how to deal with this problem right now. One 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: of the beautiful things about our current age is that 177 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: if you are someone like if you are someone who 178 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: researches tourism, extremism, violence, particularly in the American context, although 179 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: certainly not exclusively Christchurch in the whole Germany, I don't 180 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: need to go into it. But if you are someone 181 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: who focuses on this stuff, UM, you will repeatedly have 182 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: the experience of encountering a new subculture online or a 183 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: new trend, a new like species of meme and find 184 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: yourself wondering, like when the first shooting is going to be? UM. 185 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: I made a significant chunk of my career because I 186 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: was paying attention to one particular group of folks online 187 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: when they did their shooting. And I am not primarily 188 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: I've not been in the you know, we've talked a 189 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: little bit about schizo wave, which is kind of broadly speaking, 190 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: the thing that this guy most embodied. Um that is 191 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: that is the propaganda style which has a bad name. Yes, 192 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: it's obviously endorsing its name. This is the style that 193 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: people who involved in this only community use. It's about 194 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: fetishizing parts or fetish using media driven aspects of mental 195 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: illness to encourage violence. That's what it's about. Obviously illness, Yes, 196 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the aesthetics and mental illness. Right, people who are who 197 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: actually you know, deal with mental illnesses are much less 198 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: likely to commit violent acts. They're actually more likely to 199 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: be the recipient of of of violent acts not documented. 200 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: So like this is this is like I think important 201 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: to actually get people to like understand because this is 202 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that if you look at like 203 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, for example, like how Alex Jones was buond 204 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: to all these shooters, the thing they pivoted one of 205 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: the things they've pivoted to is, oh, it's because all 206 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: these people are on antidepressants and it's like, no, I'm 207 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna talk about So there was there was 208 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: this tweet. But I hate talking about Marjorie Taylor Green. 209 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: I think it's useless to talk about her and it 210 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: only gives her inflates the thing that she represents. But 211 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: but but uh, she had this tweet about a picture 212 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: of of him that that that that he that he posted, 213 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: and she's asking is he in jail or a have 214 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: center or psychiatric center in this photo that's on his bedroom? 215 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: What drugs are psychiatric drugs or both? Does he use? 216 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: And the image here is of an image very clearly 217 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: photoshopped of this person sitting in like sitting in like 218 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: a mental institution, holding a Bible. And it's part of 219 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: this thing that it's like a fetishizing the aesthetics of 220 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: mental illness, right, It's like, oh look at me, I'm 221 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: I am so detached from reality. I be I belong 222 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: inside a mental institution now, and the aesthetics of Christian fascism, 223 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: which is also a weird part of it. There's a 224 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: photo one of the like images he posted in four chan. 225 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: I think it was fortunately I may be mistaken about 226 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: the exact location, but it was like it was a 227 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Catholic saint with like the sacred heart like in her hands, 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: with the head replaced by like some anime girl. I've 229 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: I've I have not seen that yet. But yeah, this 230 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: image that he made of of inside this this the 231 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: hospital that that is that is part of the joke 232 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: to him, right, the joke, Like I don't think he 233 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: would actually assume that someone would think this is an 234 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: unphotoshopped image. I think he would he us like Margine 235 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Taylor Grey is just like just like unable to determine 236 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: the most basic photoshop that you can see the edge 237 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: marks very clearly. So but but this, but like this 238 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: is part of the joke, right, And everything getting into 239 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: what he actually believes about reality and stuff isn't important 240 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: because everything about this is has to do with like 241 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: post to ironic violence and post ironic like comedy, post 242 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: ironic like ideas of reality. It's the difference between this 243 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: what is sincere and what is real and what is 244 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: ironic and what is fake don't matter. They as long 245 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: as they're happening, that's what's happening. So it's all as 246 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: real as anything else. So getting into specific ideas about 247 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: what he personally believes. Doesn't actually matter because one we 248 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: don't know if that's genuine at all. He's he's putting 249 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: everything out intentionally. And two it doesn't matter on the 250 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: actual material circumstances. What are producing effects inside our world 251 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: right now, like these types of like acts of violence, 252 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: But it's it's everything is put out, should be but 253 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: it'll seem like contradictory, it will seem confusing. Right He 254 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: opened a video of his that he was like doing 255 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: a live stream like like I think, like over like 256 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: a year ago, and he he calls everyone who's watching 257 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: his live stream of like he calls them communists. He's like, hey, communists, um. 258 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: And it's not because they're actually communist. Is not because 259 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: he likes communism. It's not because he's necessarily fascist either. 260 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: It's that all these things are so blurred and you 261 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: use them interchangeably to produce this sense of meaninglessness and 262 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: the reaction to this meaningless world that he's constructed for 263 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: himself and these types of online subcultures try to construct 264 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: the only sensible reaction to this meaningless world is for 265 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: them to do these types of acts of violence. That is, 266 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: that is the point. So the actual details of what 267 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: they're saying aren't important, because it's all about constructing this 268 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: world that is utter really meaningless and self contradictory and 269 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: confusing and nothing makes sense and the only way to 270 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: respond to that is to get out of it. And 271 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: that's part of what they're they're trying to do. And 272 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: there are I mean, and again, part of the frustrating 273 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: thing is that there are all of these things that 274 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: people try to kind of simply affix to this our 275 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: pieces of it. Yeah, American gun culture, the fetishization of 276 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: violence as the way to achieve positive ends in our 277 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: culture is a part of this. It's why, it's part 278 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: of why the natural response to everything is meaningless and 279 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: confusing is going agalling spray exactly. Um. And likewise, the 280 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: fact that politics is where it is where you have 281 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: like this one party that's the Republican Party, that is 282 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: almost entirely dedicated to like owning the Libs and just 283 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: purely attacking people rather than trying to do anything because 284 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: their policies have been unmitigated disasters for the country, and 285 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: the other side just kind of blindly tells people to 286 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: vote like that hopelessness that like that that kind of 287 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: nihilistic aggression on the right all feeds into this. And 288 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: you can say that like a great deal of right 289 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: wing media, particularly right wing ault media, is kind of 290 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: firms a heavy component of like the milieu that this 291 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: guy was radicalized in. But it's more like that kind 292 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of stuff provided a language for him than it is 293 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff was specifically like his motivating. I 294 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: mean the same thing with like Trumpism, right, like he 295 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: he engaged with Trump is m only in a way 296 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: that it helps kind of destabilize things, And is this 297 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: like orbit of chaos, right, That's that's why it that 298 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: that that's why it's into it. Right, he was deeply 299 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: into stuff run conspiracy theories, paranormal deep nihilism um, getting 300 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: cut off from consensus reality, getting awakened to some like 301 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: greater truth. Everything that he's actually into is all just 302 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: to serve to serve those types of means. Politics aren't 303 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: the core part of that, but it's a reaction to politics, 304 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: and then he's going to use it as just as 305 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: just another tool. It's because yeah, many of them are racist, 306 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: maybe they can share racist memes, but that's not actually 307 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: the the the center point of of what's going on um, 308 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: and you know, in some ways to be easier if 309 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: it would, because that gives you something actually easy to target. 310 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: Otherwise right now, you know, when you're trying to address 311 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: this whole propaganda style that is encouraging these things to happen, 312 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: it's a harder thing to climb down on because it's 313 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: it's like an endless game of whack a mole trying 314 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: to find out, you know, who's the big people pushing 315 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: content like this right now and like these weird niche communities, 316 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: how can we get them taken down? And they just 317 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: always pop back up, right It's always it's it's this 318 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: end this game. So it's hard to target, and that 319 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: leaves you with the feeling of like hopelessness on how 320 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: this situation will be solved, which is like also part 321 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: of the point of why these attacks happen is to 322 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: is to get that reaction. Um. But it sucks, like 323 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's always bad to just have the 324 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: like the only thing you think about is like, oh wow, 325 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't see a way to solve this. It's just terrible. 326 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: But that's part of the intention here, and man, it's 327 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: it's not good because you know, you this This isn't 328 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: the first shooting that has happened from this skits awave 329 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: aesthetic there there, there has another ones, but these things 330 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: are norms are going to start hearing more and more 331 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: about this, and that sucks. Um, It's gonna become more 332 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: of a of a thing that people are going to 333 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: be aware of. Right as soon as as soon as 334 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: MPR starts talking about it, you're like, Okay, this is 335 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: this is fully this is this is fully escaped the box. 336 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: It's it's it's one of those things when um, because 337 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: I was just I was saying earlier, like what it's 338 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: like when you finally when you find yourself staring at 339 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: it something that is going to blow up in a 340 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: violent way and just not knowing when you are one 341 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: of a number of folks who I've known who are 342 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of particularly dealing with this space. And it's been 343 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: like two years that folks have been saying like there 344 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: is there will a bit like and the thing that 345 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: is most almost as frightening as like anything else is that. 346 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: And then fucking Brett Bear is gonna be talking about 347 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: schizo wave on the news like we're gonna have to 348 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to deal with like Joe Rogan trying 349 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: to parse this ship out while stoned, um, while stoned, 350 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: and and well talking about the Kellyuka, and we're talking 351 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: about the fucking Caliga, which does lead us into the 352 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: board ap Yacht Club gas. So are we gonna are 353 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: we gonna seget So we're gonna talk about one thing 354 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: dealing with Schitz. We finished talking about one thing dealing 355 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: with schitzowave, and then when I enter into other thing 356 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: that the only accurate way I can describe describe this 357 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: is that my my dives into this, into this theory 358 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: are the equivalent of what it feels like to have 359 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: a psychotic episode. And that's not that's not disparaging at all. 360 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: It's about the actual thing is your brain does when 361 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: that happens. How you take one meaningless piece of information 362 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: and project meaning onto it to make it super important. Um, 363 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: and how that kind of cascades down. Oh boy, So 364 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: the board the board Apiacht Club a k A. Now, 365 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: I guess the board ape Nazi Club because people online 366 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: have decided that they're really good at researching Nazis. I 367 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: guess somebody happened too the fucking subreddit and tell us 368 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: that we needed to be all right, we needed to 369 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: be dealing with this. Yeah. So I was like, like, randomly, 370 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: I like visited some of my friends in Chicago who 371 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: are like normies, and like they were telling me about 372 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: this video and I was like, oh, no, yeah, it's 373 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: it is. It is again. It has fully escaped the 374 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: box now and that's part of the problem. So there's 375 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: this YouTuber who made a video in partnership with a 376 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: quote unquote internet artist um about how the Board Apiacht 377 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Club friends of the pod are secretly this Nazi op 378 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: to troll everyone into spreading esoteric Nazism. That's that's the claim. Now, first, 379 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that the guy who made this video 380 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: was in partnership with this internet artist who at the 381 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: same time launched a rival ape based n f T project, 382 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: and this video served as an ad for his rival 383 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: ape n f T project. And to be clear, his 384 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: Ape n f T project was taking the art that 385 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: the Board Ape Yacht Club used for their apes, making 386 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: no changes to it, and just selling it to people 387 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: on a different platform, which is like intellectual property theft, right, right, Like, 388 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I never want to be the guy saying the board 389 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: apes are legal, right, I can't believe, like, we are 390 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: not defending board Ape Yacht Club and I want them 391 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: to be hit with a brick. But we're talking about 392 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: this because people are appropriating the term, appropriating the almost 393 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: like the aesthetics of anti fascist research started selling their 394 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: own products. They are appropriating the aesthetics of anti of 395 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: scholarship focused on extremism um in order to sell n 396 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: f T s. That's what's happened with this, the board 397 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Ape Yacht Club or Nazis video. So it gains So 398 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: all the information comes from this from this guy whose 399 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: arrival arrival n f T internet art. What's his name, 400 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: hig writer Rips. I think, yeah, writer Rips, because he's 401 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: being sued now by the board Apes or whatever, and like, 402 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: good god, I and I mean everything, I I'm not 403 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna if you watch the video that we're referring to, 404 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm not disparaging you in case you thought it was convincing, 405 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: because I mean that was part of the editing, because 406 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: he was trying to make it seem convincing. But every 407 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: every single thing is like cherry picked and squished together 408 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: to resemble meaning. But once you actually open it up, 409 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is actually nothing. Um. The whole 410 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: thirty minute section on the cipher is about them doing 411 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: cipher's badly to get a result out of the clues 412 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: that they were given. They're looking for specific results to 413 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: match whatever they want to see um. And everything else 414 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: is the connections are so tangential um. And it's it's 415 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: like synchronicity gone bad. Right. It's people who take these 416 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: things and protect meaning onto them, when in reality, that's 417 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: just how everything in the world works. And it's not 418 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: actually meaningful or important. It's just because you're focusing on it, 419 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: so you're gonna see it everywhere. Is it the same 420 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: thing we were talking about in our food factor is 421 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: conspiracy video or a podcast? Sorry? And and it's basically 422 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that has made this, I think 423 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: spread so viral e is that there's a germ of 424 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: not truth. But there's there's a single convincing point that 425 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: it all starts from. And the single convincing point is 426 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: that the board Apiat club logo was ripped from that 427 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: other Nazi logo. Absolutely very is very much patterned off 428 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: of like the the old s s Death's Head because 429 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: you shouldn't. Yeah, because the number of things going on 430 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: there because the Nazis were really good at graphic design, 431 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: and because also that's not originally a Nazi thing. It 432 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: has its origins and a Prussian military unit, and there's 433 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: a reason why the death's head went so far, and 434 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: it is generally like, for example, when you see a 435 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: death's head on in the Ukrainian soldier in like Ukraine, 436 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: that dude's probably got some pretty Nazi fucking beliefs. It's 437 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: not a it's it's not a again, So the fact 438 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: that you see something that looks like it may have 439 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: an inspiration in that um but like is a worthwhile 440 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: point to start looking at stuff. Absolutely, but once you 441 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: go at it with a conclusion in mind, then find 442 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: things just to back up your own conclusion. That's not 443 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: how you do good research. Because man, like one of 444 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: the founders is Jewish, not saying Jewish people can't be 445 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: fascist or whatever, but like half the people who started 446 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: it are ethnic minorities. They're really bad writers, and they 447 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: put together this thing that's complete nonsense, and people are 448 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: now assuming it's this, yeah, make a conspiracy, and it's not. 449 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: It's just because it's so. And I think part of 450 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: why people are so so, I think part of why 451 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: a chunk of the people who hate it want there 452 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: to be a conspiracy is because this thing has made 453 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: so much money, and it is utterly banal and an idiotic, 454 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: and it is utterly been all in idiotic and part 455 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: of the thing. A lot of this comes out of 456 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of the strength that kind of this individual, 457 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: this thing has, this this video has comes out of 458 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: the fact that years ago a number of folks, some 459 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: of whom our present company here, started warning people about 460 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: the ways in which fascists would hide things like fourteen 461 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: and eighty eight and all of dog Whistles, hidden imagery, 462 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff here is and and so 463 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: people started to get primed to the fact that that happens, 464 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: that the Nazis hide ship, and that that that you 465 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: should be on the lookout for it. But one of 466 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: the things that has been forgotten, I think, in kind 467 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: of the rush to do that for ship like this, 468 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: is that it's not just the fact that they're hiding 469 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: like and in the in the specific case of people 470 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: are putting fourteens and eight eights and ship. When I 471 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: was discussing that was nearly always in the context of 472 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: like members of Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys and 473 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: affiliated groups who were beating people in the streets. Right, 474 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: So you're not you don't just have the imagery. You 475 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: have someone going out and doing things that like they 476 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: are claiming I have nothing to do with fashions, but like, no, 477 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: you can see like you haven't and their Yeah, if 478 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: you have an eighth that's numbered one eight, which is 479 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: the thing in the video, because there's like ten thous 480 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: these apes and they're all numbered in numerical order. Yeah, 481 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: it's like the fact that in a group of a 482 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: set of ten thousand apes, one of them is a 483 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: number of four eight is not Nazi dog whistling even 484 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: anymore than it would be Satanic dog whistling that there's 485 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a six six six in there. It's just 486 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: like there's one that's six nine six nine, just like 487 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: there's one that's two three four seven. Whatever. Yeah, it's 488 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: it's like that thing people used to do were like 489 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if people still do this, but like 490 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: they were when I was a kid. People would like 491 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: you get someone who'd like pull out a grid of 492 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: a city and they start drawing pentagrams on it. Yeah, exactly, 493 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, well, yeah, there's a bunch of random 494 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: lines if you can. Yeah. But the other thing, that's 495 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: that's a really problem. That's a big problem about this. 496 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: It's not only it's passing off bad extremism research to 497 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: sell their own n f T product, which is bad 498 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: in of itself. It's also saying the stuff that doesn't 499 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: need to be said out loudly to a huge audience, 500 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: all while using the fast wave image style, and that 501 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: sucks because it's talking about things like traditionalism. It's talking 502 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: about types of esoteric Nazism that usually we don't want 503 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: to put a giant megaphone on because when people get 504 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: really into this, you get stuff like the shooting that 505 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: happened a few days ago. That's that's Those are the 506 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: same Internet communities that this stuff is really fostered in. 507 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: So we don't like to amplify it because the more 508 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: people who are in these communities, the more their brains 509 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: slowly get chipped away at by these people making this 510 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: making these types of like hypnotic propaganda. So when we 511 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: have a YouTuber that has a video with millions of 512 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: views talking about the Caluga, talking about Julius A. Vola 513 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: talking about a whole bunch of stuff around like extremely 514 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: niche occult Nazism. That's not great, especially when they're using 515 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: the fast wave style of video editing to make it 516 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: seem really cool and scary, and when they're doing it 517 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: ultimately to make money in an n f T scheme. Right, 518 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: it's it's it's more than just this is not just 519 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: somebody did research that was like bad um. This is 520 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: somebody crafted a viral thing using the aesthetics of research 521 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: um and dropping some really dangerous shit into the consciousness 522 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: in an irresponsible way to sell the same ape drawings 523 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: they were attacking. Extremely frustrating because even the whole cipher 524 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: section of the video I'll still real against because it's 525 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: about people using a bad jillion cipher methodologies to get 526 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: specific results out of it that they want, and all 527 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: the results they get out of it also are like 528 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: not problematic and are kind of explainable, Like all of 529 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: them refer to something about monkeys anyway, So even if 530 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: they are true, it's not it's it doesn't necessarily need 531 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: to be referencing this obscure thing in traditionalism. It's like, 532 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: oh no, that's because it's the name of a fucking monkey. 533 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: And I don't again, I don't. I don't have any 534 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: actual opinion on whether the board a fiat club has 535 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 1: someone working for it that is hiding in secret references 536 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: because honestly, I don't care because all because what it's 537 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: viewed publicly as is this supid thing. Yeah, I mean 538 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not viewed publicly with people who use 539 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: it as a secretnazy conspiracy because if it is, what's 540 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: the impact, What's what's the impact that it's like, how 541 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: how would it matter if it's a secret Nazi conspiracy theory? 542 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: What's it? What's it doing? It's it's bad pictures of monkeys. 543 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: When when we talk about the first wave of this 544 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: and like they need to explain, you know, the symbols 545 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: that people were hiding in these like right wing street 546 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: movements of a bunch of whom wound up feeding into 547 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: JAM six, It's easy to say, well, what the harm was? 548 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: They were going out, they were beating people, they were 549 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: planning terrorist attacks, right, Like, yeah, it's doing terrorist attacks. 550 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: I have I again, I fucking hate these Board eight motherfucker's. 551 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: I think this is the stupidest fucking I don't know 552 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: trend I've seen in my entire goddamn life, I cannot 553 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: point to anything even vaguely Nazi they have supported or done, 554 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: like and among other things. If you want to know 555 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: if something is a dangerous conspiracy or a stupid grift, 556 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: one question you should ask your off And this isn't 557 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: always relevant, but one question you should ask yourself is 558 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: is Jimmy Fallon involved? Because if Jimmy Fallon is involved, 559 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: it's probably just a dumb grift. Because I mean, the whole, 560 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: the whole, the watching this guy breakdown how you get 561 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: secret messages out of these ciphers is it's it's the same. 562 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: It's the same thing as like Q and on ship. 563 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: It's people wanting to get an answer out of numbers 564 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: and things and then pushing that answer as truth, even 565 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: if it's like not not based in any form of reality. Yeah, 566 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: it's it's so, it's it's really frustrating to watch people 567 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: basically start using Q and on style research tactics to 568 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: justify their hatred of an n f T project, which 569 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: is like, no, you can just dislike it from being 570 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: an n f T thing. You don't need to rapid 571 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: in a in this package. That is just really bad 572 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: extremism research. Part of one of the things that's scared 573 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: me about this attack and about like what's going to 574 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: happen kind of in the media after it is that, Um, 575 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: I think kind of inevitably these aesthetics are just going 576 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: to get co opted on a wider and wider basis. 577 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: That's what's happening on TikTok right now, is that these 578 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: these types of fast wave and schizoweve aesthetics are just 579 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: becoming a core part of the zoomer online aesthetic, and 580 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: that sucks. The The other point I was I wanted 581 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: to mention about the Highland Park thing is like this, 582 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: this guy that did this is such a perfect profile 583 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: of this type of de attached like gen Z Like 584 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: almost I like like post politics terrorism, um that Like 585 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: he is such a perfect example of someone who has 586 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: been online since he was a very very little kid, 587 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: trying to make content online. Right, everyone in gen Z 588 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: needs to be performing all of the time, right, Your 589 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: whole life is a performance for the internet. Um, he 590 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: was doing that same thing. He's been making the making 591 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: music and video, was in ships since he was he 592 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: was like younger than me. Like, he's been doing this 593 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: for a long long time. Um. And the types of 594 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: like you know, like nested communities that you get like 595 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: that you like fall into. It's such it's such like 596 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: a clear example of the very types of things that 597 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, me and others have been talking about and 598 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: warning about for a while. Um. And it's the whole 599 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: like muddled nous of reality that we even get with 600 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: this like board ape, Nazi clip video, right, they're all 601 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: part of this same problem with the Internet, Like our 602 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: brains weren't designed for this much information coming at us 603 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: at the same time. We cannot sort it all out. Um. 604 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: And it's not ideal. Um, I was, it's not it's 605 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: not great. I would rather it not be like this. 606 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how to like come at people with 607 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: a solution to this, because this is an unsolved problem. 608 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: It's like, come up with a solution for the fucking 609 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: um the fact that emissions like are not going to 610 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: be reduced, you know, because the world because the world 611 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: does suck. But the very be very cognizant of video 612 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: propaganda styles and anyone that uses flashing like classic or 613 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: Catholic um like imagery, be very very careful, be very 614 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: careful of people who fetishize the authetics of mental illness. 615 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: Be very careful about about people that that you wrap 616 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: these aesthetics of of mental mental illness and like a 617 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: very violent package because like that that's what we get 618 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: with with with the shooter. He was like doing doing 619 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: videos about about you know, these types of mental illness 620 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: that end with him just like a picture like a 621 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: drawing of him holding a gun. Um, you know, way 622 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: before he bought a gun, he was making art about 623 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: about this. Um. I think the one that's stuck out 624 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: to me most was him repeatedly referring to himself as 625 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: a sleepwalker. Yeah, which which I don't know, like obviously 626 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: that is very much in line with the skizawave aesthetic 627 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: stuff that like you have been talking about. It also 628 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: kind of makes me think, I mean it. It brought 629 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: me to thinking about Barbara Tuckman, who is a historian 630 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: who wrote a book called The Guns of August that's 631 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: a history of World War One. Um, that that describes 632 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of the machinery that got set up and marched 633 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: everybody into that situation exploding like sleep sleepwalkers right, Um, 634 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: Like this system has been set up and the people 635 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: are kind of so unwilling to see where it's leading that, uh, 636 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: everything is just kind of marching with a with a 637 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: sense of inevitability towards a worse and a worse endpoint. 638 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: And that's that's what scares me most about this. I've 639 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: I've listened to many of his horrible songs and there's 640 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: and there's lyrics very similar to that idea, um about 641 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: that kind of inevitable like fate driven nature of our 642 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: current situation and how reality has become so muddled with 643 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: the internet. Um and like we there's been uh an intentional, 644 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: top down effort to destroy any nature of consensus reality 645 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: and make everything up for debate of there's there is, 646 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: there is. Facts no longer are a thing, like they 647 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: just don't exist. And this is the world that results 648 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: from that happening. When there's people in power who put 649 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: are pushing for this, like you know, like Steve Bandit 650 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: is among you know, one of many people who are 651 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: pushing for this type of world. Um, this is the 652 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: result that we get, and this is the result that 653 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: they kind of want us to get. It's it's it's yeah, 654 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean because if everything is true, and that's fine, fundamentally, 655 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: like what they're going for is this idea that like 656 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 1: everything is true and nothingness everything. Yeah, and if every 657 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: like and if you hit that state, you can do anything, right, 658 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: like to steal a quote, who was that with that 659 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: fucking Crowley? Um the but but like that's very much 660 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: nothing is true, everything is permitted. Yeah, I mean that 661 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the assassins. They sure sure, sure, 662 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: um but no, but it is like that is that 663 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: is the thing, right if you mean even the even 664 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: the shooter guy had numerous Discordian references in in his ship. Yeah. Yeah, 665 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: it's all about the same stuff. It's all it's all 666 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: dealing with these same problems. And you're right, obviously, if 667 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: if you know, if you deal with dissociation as I 668 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: sometimes do, if you you know, like parts about the 669 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: discording aesthetics and like like the kind of ideas they 670 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: play with, that does not make you an inherently dangerous person. 671 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: That's that's not the problem here, um the right, Like 672 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: you could like, I'm you know in some ways, but 673 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: I think about a lot of a lot of these 674 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: same topics because I look at all of this I'm 675 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: I look at all of this research all the time. 676 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: So it is my brains in a similar isn't a 677 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: isn't a similar place? That's that's that doesn't make you 678 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: a bad person, that doesn't make you dangerous. Um. But 679 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: I think it's important to be cognizant of the type 680 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: of propaganda that people are pushing, the types of propaganda, 681 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: trends and styles that are producing material effects in the world, 682 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: like these types of shootings. Yeah, and so I don't 683 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: know what else to say, honestly, because it's bad. Yeah, 684 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a problem. I would say, if anyone ever 685 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: tells you about something they saw on the internet, hit 686 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: them and run away screaming. That's a good that's a 687 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,919 Speaker 1: good way to move forward. Um, and please don't don't 688 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: start the other things like you know, we're gonna, we're 689 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: gonna the right is going to have two possible reactions 690 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: to stuff like this, Right, They're gonna one do a 691 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: satanic panic, then be like, oh, look at these people 692 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: doing a cult shit. Um, let's do another. Let's do 693 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: another satanic panic, which would suck. There, there's there's there's 694 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: there's that option obviously that would tie into like transphobia, 695 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: that would tie into a whole bunch of whole munch 696 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: of bullshit. Um. The other option is that people start, 697 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: you know, using mentally ill people as a scapegoat and 698 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: start of saying we should lock up people who deal 699 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: with mental illness. Also not that would suck, wouldn't solve 700 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: the problem either, wouldn't do it. Yeah, Like that's the 701 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: thing I've I've actually been seeing this in the last 702 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: really like probably three months, is there's been a bunch 703 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: of people who have been calling for like bringing like 704 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: bringing sort of old school asylums back. That's that's exactly 705 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: what the people, the people who make this propaganda, That's 706 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: exactly what they want. That's that they want you to 707 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: have that reaction that would make things so much worse. 708 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: If you put people like this in an asylum for 709 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: ten days then they get out there, they are so 710 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: much more likely to to do these types of things. 711 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: Not because they're actually like not because like not nothing 712 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: to do with their actual whatever like mental things they 713 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: have going on. It's because of the the aesthetic styling 714 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: is right. They want to be a character in a story. 715 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: If they feel like their life is going in a 716 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: direction that they are a character in a story. They're 717 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: getting put in these situations that they've memed about. Right, 718 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: this guy's pictures, he's photoshoph of himself inside mental institutions. Right, 719 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a character in a story. If you do that, 720 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: you're playing right into their hands. It is that is 721 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: not what that That should not be the focus of 722 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: what we are doing. Um, Like carsonal problems are not 723 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: the solution to these types of things, especially for people 724 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: who are who are like just making music online, Like, 725 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Fucking arrest people for the 726 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: like for the music they make, like, that is not 727 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: the solution. Don't let people turn this into targeting people 728 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: who have actual like mental like mental things that they 729 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: deal with. Don't make them the scapegoat of this um 730 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: And be very careful if anyone tries to do any 731 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: kind of satanic panic nonsense about secret occultists who are 732 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: trying to alter your kids reality or whatever. Very careful 733 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: because anyone who uses that type of framing for this 734 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: problem is not genuine. They do not actually care. They 735 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: are pushing something that they want. Yeah, I mean, I 736 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why the idea that these 737 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: people are kind of seeing themselves as part of a 738 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: narrative is important is because it presents a discontinuity with 739 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: the way mass shootings have worked for most of the 740 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: time that people listening to this have been alive in 741 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: the United States prior to a couple of years ago. 742 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: Really twenty nineteen was the big break year for this. 743 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: The vast majority of mass shooters were also committing suicide. 744 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 1: That was part of the goal. That was what happened. Um. 745 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: And if you are an individual with a gun who 746 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 1: has just committed a series of murders, it is very 747 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: easy to make sure you die in that attack. It's 748 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: extremely easy. Um. That is why so many of them 749 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: did it. That has that has stopped being given in 750 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: the way that it used to be. The change I 751 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: think was christ Church was the main inflection point for this. 752 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys go down alive. The 753 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: Buffalo shooter taken alive. The last, the last schitzu Awave 754 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: shooter from a few months ago, I was taken in alive. Um. 755 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: Is intriguing because if I was to watch all this 756 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: video propaganda beforehand, I would have assumed that this guy 757 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: wanted to die within the act. A lot of the 758 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: stuff was written about him doing this to kind of 759 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: end his life and escape into whatever is next. That 760 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: that's the kind of feeling I get a lot of 761 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: his writing, and yet he didn't of the imagery he 762 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: was putting out, particularly the ship with him in in 763 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: the asylum, as kind of evidence of where like part 764 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: of it was part of why I suspected like he 765 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: had he intended to get taken alive. That is, that 766 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: is that is very possible. I mean like because in 767 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: some ways, yeah, I'm not going to speculate, not necessarily 768 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: the most useful. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna speculate further. 769 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of a lot of possible things 770 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: to to think about there, which I will do so 771 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: because I have all the stuff. Don't no one else please, 772 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: it's you don't don't look at this stuff because it's 773 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: like forbidden, right, don't don't don't seek it out because 774 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's forbidden knowledge that they don't want 775 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: you to see. It's dangerous. Oh that that's that that's 776 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: not the point. The point is it's bad and that 777 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: it's also hard to find. So like, just like, don't 778 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: not watching like it's not it's not even it's not 779 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: worth watching. It's not like a bunch of stuff, like 780 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: like in the immediate wake of it, and like, my 781 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: what happened to me was I got a fucking headache. 782 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: You get a headache, you feel bad. It's it waste, 783 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: It wastes your time. Like like if if, if you 784 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: want to get this like the experience of this without 785 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: having to like do this ship like fucking eat a 786 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: bunch of like eat a ship tone of candy. Watch Watch, Watch, 787 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: Watch Pink Floyd's The Wall Jesus Christ, except except if 788 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: you eating a bunch of candier, watching the fucking Wall 789 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: like it's actually good, whereas this is just like it's 790 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: it's only the bad parts of that. But I only 791 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: look at this because it's my fucking job and it sucks. Yeah, alright, well, 792 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: um you know I'm gonna I'm gonna say we're probably 793 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: done here. Um, so I don't know until next time. Again, 794 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: if anyone tries to tell you about something that happened 795 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: on the internet, strike them and flee. Remember run hide, 796 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: fight from people trying to tell you about things happening 797 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: on social media. These are this is this is the 798 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: good strategy going forward. It could happen here as a 799 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: production of cool Zone media For more podcasts from cool 800 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com, 801 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, 802 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can 803 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: find sources for It could Happen here, updated monthly at 804 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.