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Speaker 4: about making dramatic changes to the league calendar. The alterations

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Speaker 4: would include reseeding the four conference finalists, shortening the regular

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Speaker 4: season to a minimum of seventy eight games, adding a

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Speaker 4: thirty team in season tournament, and having some sweet postseason

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Speaker 4: play in games. Now, the hope is for the NBA

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Speaker 4: to bring a vote to the Board of Governor's meeting

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Speaker 4: in April that would introduce at least some of these

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Speaker 4: changes potential changes to the twenty twenty one twenty two season.

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Speaker 4: So lots to unpack here. We're going to tackle these

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Speaker 4: sort of one by one. Let's start with the receding

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Speaker 4: of the conference finalists. You would receive these teams once

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Speaker 4: they got to the semifinal round, right, based on their

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Speaker 4: regular season record, two teams from each conference would still

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Speaker 4: possibility of an East versus East or West versus West

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Speaker 4: matchup in the NBA Finals. What does everybody think about

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Speaker 4: this particular proposal.

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Speaker 3: I like the final result that you would get the

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Speaker 3: better two teams in the NBA Finals. That's the goal

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Speaker 3: and not right away when the postseason starts. Why not

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Speaker 4: Is the idea? Or maybe one of the reasons for

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Speaker 3: Scheduling wise, I find that I find that hard to believe.

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Speaker 3: That's a it's a possibility. It's still teams still bump

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Speaker 2: Just like, just do it.

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Speaker 5: Biggest issue on any of these changes is saying to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you might miss out on a few games here

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Speaker 5: You potentially could lose five or ten games a season

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Speaker 4: Right unless you can say those games are going to

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the midseason tournament.

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Speaker 4: You have to sort of start small to convince people

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Speaker 4: But right now that's not realistic, So they're never going

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Speaker 5: Well, in that instance, I think then they're starting at

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Speaker 6: I don't know, it's you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you're saying, blow up conferences, blow up divisions, and

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Speaker 4: that's fairly drastic. I think we'd agree with that, not

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Speaker 1: Right away now for the reason it's not on the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I believe two seasons ago we would have

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Speaker 4: Right John Hollinger. I heard him talking to a Dongan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just confused as to why we have West

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, you're probably the Western champion is then

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Speaker 5: I think I think for all these things we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: The idea for the NBA is to make all games

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Speaker 4: Should point out with this receding WNBA does this. You

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Speaker 3: I get all that, or smaller fish they got buys

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say I'm pro this because anytime we

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Speaker 6: All right, right, drug get up.

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Speaker 4: So for this, for the reseting of conference finalists, if

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Speaker 2: I'm up on this for sure.

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Speaker 5: That would be an acknowledging that in Western Conference champions anymore.

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Speaker 6: That's it. But that's fine.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine because I don't think those things mean

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Speaker 3: So it's a little gimmicky. Round one East West.

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Speaker 4: I would argue, all of this stuff is pretty gimmicky.

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Speaker 4: These ideas, I'm just saying, reseeding conference finalists, playing games, tournaments, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's it's they're come trying to get creative with these

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Speaker 3: reseeding conference finals also a little gimmicky. The playing tournament.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well let's let's let's get to that.

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Speaker 3: Here's the gimmick.

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Speaker 4: Here's how this would would work in theory, two four

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Speaker 4: team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth seeds

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Speaker 3: I love baseball. It's like baseball.

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Speaker 3: I thought you said I like Nate. Earlier you said

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Speaker 4: So it is very baseball Like are you were fan

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Speaker 3: The NBA, Well, we have too many teams in the playoffs,

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: The argument against it is as well, if you're seven

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Speaker 3: the playoffs in this situation, it's it diminishes the value.

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Speaker 1: Especially if they're printing shirts like is the tenth team

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Speaker 1: Because then twenty teams out of a thirty team league

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Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't make the playoffs, you have

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Speaker 2: Tenth seed, nine seed you have to win two yeas

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm not big on this, but the games would be awesome.

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Speaker 6: I like it for that reason.

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Speaker 5: But also I think this one is trying to incentivize

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Speaker 4: Yes, there is a big part of it, and say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 5: You're eleventh right now, two weeks to go. Keep playing,

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Speaker 3: More likely to know, these teams get smashed right in

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Speaker 6: Never know in a one game situation.

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Speaker 5: But again, but again, the incentive for these teams is

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Speaker 6: Again that I think the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just in general bastball. Obviously, the better seeds

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Thank you. I'm glad you've said that.

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Speaker 6: Oh, this is cool.

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Speaker 4: Well you gotta win, you gotta win this one game.

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Speaker 4: This actually means something to move on. So I am

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Speaker 5: have the relegation promotion battle, which is always exciting, and

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Speaker 5: then you have the Champions League qualification, which is so

439
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Speaker 5: whether you're at the top or the bottom, your game's

440
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 5: basically every game means something.

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Speaker 6: No one wants to get relegated.

442
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Speaker 5: So those teams at the bottom fighting for survival play

443
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Speaker 5: their heart out at the end and they and they

444
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Speaker 5: try to stay up. And the teams that are just

445
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 5: above relegation zone they're desperately trying to avoid it as well.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's what.

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Speaker 4: The consequences here are not as severe, No.

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Speaker 6: No, no, they're not. They're not as severe.

449
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Speaker 5: But the thing is, in soccer, you have something that

450
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Speaker 5: means something for the teams at the bottom, and then

451
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Speaker 5: you have the teams that are battling at the top,

452
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Speaker 5: and that's what I think that Adam Silver. You know,

453
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Speaker 5: like the relegation promotion game, the final, that's always incredible

454
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Speaker 5: when they have that at Wembley because it's such a

455
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Speaker 5: it's such a bonus once you get to the top flight,

456
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Speaker 5: to the to the to the big Premier League. But

457
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Speaker 5: the big, big difference here is NBA doesn't have any

458
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Speaker 5: competing league of its level, whereas in soccer, every European

459
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Speaker 5: country has a big league. And not only that, the

460
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Speaker 5: lower leagues are actually a lot closer to the Premier

461
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Speaker 5: League rather than the j League, which is an enormous

462
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Speaker 5: step down in the NBA.

463
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Speaker 3: So the different Also, the other difference is here, if

464
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Speaker 3: you finish lower, the incentive is to get a draft

465
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Speaker 3: pick right right, which which is also hey, I'm in

466
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Speaker 3: the tent spot. Do I want to get those extra

467
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Speaker 3: gates or am I going to go try and get

468
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Speaker 3: the next LaMelo ball?

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Speaker 4: Well, which though you know, in their defense, the NBA

470
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Speaker 4: is trying to flatten the odds to make that even

471
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Speaker 4: you know it's not you're not getting that twenty five

472
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Speaker 4: percent chance anymore, you're getting You're right, you still have

473
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Speaker 4: the worst record. In theory, you're still having a better

474
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Speaker 4: chance than other teams. But it's not as crazy, yep,

475
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Speaker 4: I would say, the way they've waited it now, So

476
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Speaker 4: maybe this even like this idea of like, oh yeah,

477
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Speaker 4: the ninth and tenth seed is trying to get in

478
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Speaker 4: paired with that, I think the hope is that it does,

479
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Speaker 4: you know, try and diminish tanking, like leaning into tanks

480
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Speaker 4: because yeah, now you can be playing for the playoffs

481
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Speaker 4: and oh yeah, by the way, you having the worst

482
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Speaker 4: record is that's not much different than having the seventh

483
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Speaker 4: worst record.

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Speaker 1: I guess I wonder if a guy like lebron seusus

485
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Speaker 1: and says, huh, I only got to get the tenth

486
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play forty games, play forty games, I'll be

487
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Speaker 1: ready for the tenth, win two.

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Speaker 2: We're in the playoffs.

489
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Speaker 4: Now my team is the best.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is ten teams in both conferences. You cannot call

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Speaker 1: it the playoffs. Then you can't play intern Yeah, it

493
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Speaker 1: has to have a different name. Lee's already talking about

494
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Speaker 1: shortening the schedule against and now we're cramming even more

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Speaker 1: regular season games into a shorter time.

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Speaker 6: Well fewer games.

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Speaker 2: Well that's not the proposal though, No I know, but

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Speaker 2: that Okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that none of these ideas

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Speaker 1: address the real problem, which is we need fewer games.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that's gonna be the hottest thing to convince. Like,

502
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Speaker 5: like I say, the owner is if you say, Okay,

503
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Speaker 5: we go into a seventy eight game regular season, but

504
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Speaker 5: we're playing five more games in this other tournament, then

505
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Speaker 5: it's like, well, that doesn't address the problem at all

506
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Speaker 5: creating a tournament.

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Speaker 6: Why would anyone care about it.

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Speaker 3: A couple of nights at the end of the year

509
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Speaker 3: are gonna be fun, there's no doubt about that. But

510
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Speaker 3: it's it's very clear that this is a band aid

511
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Speaker 3: on the situation that now twenty teams are going to

512
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Speaker 3: make a playoffs. That's a lot. So we played eighty

513
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Speaker 3: two games to have sixty six percent of the league

514
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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Why why did we do that?

515
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I tie I'll tie it in to the conference

517
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Speaker 3: final receding as well. So we don't care to recede

518
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Speaker 3: through the first two rounds, but we care in the

519
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Speaker 3: third round. And it's almost saying we only care about

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Speaker 3: the final four teams because we know the good teams

521
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Speaker 3: are going to get there in the end. Yeah, and

522
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Speaker 3: usually they do. And yeah, it's I guess another it's

523
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Speaker 3: another little we got boo boos. So let's put that

524
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Speaker 3: frozen band aid on there and see what happens. But

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Speaker 3: that's those nights are gonna be fun. And us, US

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Speaker 3: hardcorees we're watching it and you're you're right about casuals

527
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Speaker 3: maybe being brought in, but is that going to draw

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Speaker 3: them in for the next two months or you've drawn

529
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Speaker 3: into your alds and your nlds and then your nlcs

530
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Speaker 3: and then.

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Speaker 4: You're no, no, not as much. You're right, will Yeah,

532
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Speaker 4: does it hook them for the entire playoffs? Probably not?

533
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Speaker 4: But what this does do you have to admit as

534
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: is having these race first. Okay, one thing it does

535
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Speaker 4: make actually racing for the sixth seed pretty damn important. Now,

536
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're not gonna want to go into a

537
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Speaker 4: play in sort of type of tournament that you could lose,

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Speaker 4: I mean one drastic injury to your guy and like,

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Speaker 4: uh oh we lost the seventh eighth game. Uh oh,

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Speaker 4: we lost the game to the ninth or tenth the

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Speaker 4: winner and you're out. So there is that, and I

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Speaker 4: think it just it just adds more teams into the

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Speaker 4: what is still a very long regular season of interest

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Speaker 4: in those fan bases. There is going to just be

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Speaker 4: those teams trying to get that ninth or tenth seed

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Speaker 4: or whatever, because they're just in it more, their chances

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00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 4: are in it more that you're gonna in theory, they'll

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Speaker 4: be more still going into the game, still watching the games.

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Speaker 3: The question is, from October to April, like Trey brought

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Speaker 3: up Lebron chilling for forty games, fans, are they just

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Speaker 3: gonna say, god, like casual non NBA fans say, sixteen

552
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Speaker 3: teams in the play? Yes, why would they? The question

553
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Speaker 3: is does that balance out with yes, more You're right, teams,

554
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: more fan bases will be evolved. But in October through

555
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Speaker 3: through April, the regular season matters even a bit less.

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Speaker 3: And that's a problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's wild. I mean, we want you guys

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Speaker 4: to tweet at us, by the way, for all of

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Speaker 4: these at no Dunks inc Your opinions, or email us

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Speaker 4: No Dunks at the Athletic dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I got a quick, quick, quick question. Are all these

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Speaker 3: three slash four kind of proposals? Are they all tied in?

563
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Speaker 3: Are they all separate votes?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. I would assume they're separate votes.

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Speaker 4: I think there's yeah, whether it's three or four. Because

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Speaker 4: you're you're saying, like the shortening of the season from

567
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Speaker 4: to seventy eight minimum, that sort of goes hand in

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Speaker 4: hand with the season tournament, which we'll get to here. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I would think they're going to like, here's this one,

570
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Speaker 4: here's here's the show of hands, we're receiving the conference finalists.

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Speaker 4: All right, cool, Okay, that one passes. No, I mean

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Speaker 4: this makes sense. I don't think it's all one, one

573
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Speaker 4: or nothing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all or not.

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Speaker 2: I read it as that classic negotiation. We're gonna ask

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Speaker 2: for everything, right, yes, yes, yes, okay.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's let's touch on that final third thing, the

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Speaker 4: thirty team in season tournament. Now, the NBA is focused

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Speaker 4: on on a thirty team participation that in theory, would

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Speaker 4: begin with divisional group stages of scheduled regular season games. Okay,

581
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: that's important. So divisions are still a thing. Ly, I

582
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: know you hate them, but these will be like, you know,

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Speaker 4: your regular scheduled games, but they'll actually have a little

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Speaker 4: more importance because they'll help seating or whether or not

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Speaker 4: you even make this little in season tournament. So those

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Speaker 4: pre knockout round games would be a part of the

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Speaker 4: regular season schedule, and then you'd have the six divisional

588
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 4: winners and then the two teams with the next best

589
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 4: records they would advance to a single elimination knockout round.

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Speaker 4: And now those single elimination games they don't have anything

591
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Speaker 4: to do with your regular season at that point. You know,

592
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 4: they don't count for your wins or losses for your

593
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Speaker 4: regular season record. Does that make sense? Yeah, part of

594
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 4: it does. Your division games.

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00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: Is helpeas are playing in that and then eight teams

596
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: go on to play this tournament, single elimination, quarterfinals, semifinals, finals, tournament.

597
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't count to your record, but gets you some

598
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: dollar dollar bills for the teams and for the league.

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00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: They should be able to sell this package to sponsors,

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Speaker 3: also a television contract.

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Speaker 2: No way, keep it.

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Speaker 4: Off the air.

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Speaker 1: Just tell us what happened to read about it in

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Speaker 1: the news the next day.

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00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, this one is you know, we were

606
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 4: joking about it on our Twitter account. This is Adam

607
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: Silver's whitewell. He has talked NonStop about this, this soccer

608
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: like mid season tournament. He's brought it up time and

609
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: time again. So he's gonna pitch this.

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Speaker 2: They gotta call it the Silver Cup.

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Speaker 1: It's a perfect name for a trophy, and it's Adam

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00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: Silver's Maybe that's really good.

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Speaker 4: Your Silver Cup sounds cool.

614
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: Great cup has taken Blue Bombers, got that.

615
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: But the biggest question always with this thing, this idea

616
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: of this mid season tournament was whining. And I think

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00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: that's what you know, wojan Low. They were breaking it

618
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: down when they were reporting this weekend that it sounds

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Speaker 4: like the NBA and the NBAPA are finding common ground

620
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: on a post Thanksgiving tournament window that would extend into

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Speaker 4: mid December, because there had been previous talks of like,

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00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: hey do this, you know, do this around the All

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Speaker 4: Star weekend, Hey do this later in the year when

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00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: no one, you know a lot of people have like

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00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 4: stopped caring at times about the regular season. Maybe the

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 4: drums up more sport.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was interesting that wojan Low reported months ago

628
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: NBA proposed late January February tournament culminates in a final

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00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: four during All Star week right, right, But that was

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00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: booted quite fast.

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Speaker 4: Do you like this thirty teen in season tournament? You

632
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: like the idea of when they would be holding it

633
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: if it is sort of in this post Thanksgiving window,

634
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: what's everybody's take on this one?

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00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 5: This one's going to be hot sele because a part

636
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: of winning any sort of trophy in sport is the

637
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 5: historic call moment of like you see someone holding up

638
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: a trophy, that's like, that's been the focus of why

639
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 5: you wanted to play that sport, to be on that

640
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: podium and celebrate and pour the champagne. So to create

641
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: a new tournament that has no history, I think is

642
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 5: very hard to get people on board for to say, hey,

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00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 5: we're playing now for the Silver Cup.

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00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 6: Great, what's that? There's this thing we just invented, you know, like.

645
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: That's how every championships directors man.

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00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, like it may if it does last,

647
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 5: sure in twenty years, it might might have that significance.

648
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 5: But it's very hard at the start to see that

649
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 5: because I think a lot of skeptics will say they

650
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 5: might try this for a season or two, then scrap

651
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 5: it and it's gone. If it's people aren't interested, if

652
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: players aren't interested, if people don't care about it. So

653
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 5: how the NBA makes people care, the players care, the

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Speaker 5: owner's care, and the fans care is the.

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Speaker 4: Biggest sell would you care? Probably not right now, Why

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00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: wouldn't you care?

657
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 6: Why would I care?

658
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: Like what?

659
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: But no, you know, but because like that's what I'm saying.

660
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 6: In the NBA, the NBA Championship is the moment that

661
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 6: means something.

662
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: I forget you. I forgot you don't have a favorite team.

663
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: Tell me why a Phoenix Suns fan maybe wouldn't care about.

664
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: That because they go, oh, great, we won this tournament.

665
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 5: That really doesn't mean anything. No one's going to remember it.

666
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: The championship is still what clearly everybody wants to win

667
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: and celebrate. People aren't going to You're not going to

668
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: be able to have it hold a parade for winning.

669
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: The No, we've got more games to play for the

670
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: rest of your regular season.

671
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 6: Well that's the other thing.

672
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 5: It's like it's over, okay, now, we forget about that

673
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 5: and we concentrate on the real trophy and the real season.

674
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 5: And that's a hard thing to change because again, going

675
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 5: back just to a soccer for example for a second, here,

676
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: the team that finishes the home and away season on

677
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: top of the table wins like that's the championship. You

678
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 5: don't then have to play a playoff to win the season.

679
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: That's boring to me, right, that sounds mad, right.

680
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: They always win in fantasy it never win the playoffs.

681
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 6: It sounds boring to you.

682
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 5: But for traditionalists, they don't want that extra tournament after

683
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 5: that because there are so many other tournaments, the champions League,

684
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 5: the f A Cup whatever it is, the League Cup,

685
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: all those.

686
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, tongue in cheek, but it sounds

687
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: boring because in theory, what you're saying, a good team,

688
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: an elite team, could have wrapped up the being at

689
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 4: the top of the standings like.

690
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: One next week.

691
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, races, the race next week doesn't even matter because

692
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton already won the Drivers' Championship from Mercedes has

693
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: the constructors Championship. That's what They're still having the race

694
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: and people are gonna party.

695
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: But that that And I'm the same, like because when

696
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 5: I first started filling soccer, I didn't know there wasn't

697
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: like a championship, a playoffs series, playoff. And when you

698
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 5: see at the end of that one season where teams dancing,

699
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 5: I'm like, like, that's weird, like and they said, no,

700
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 5: they don't, they don't have playoffs.

701
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: And that is why the regular season is more important. Yeah,

702
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: because they don't even have exactly, And so if we're

703
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: around here in the NBA, playouts are important exactly.

704
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 5: If you're a month out and you win, then it's like, great,

705
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: we don't then have to you know, have this great season,

706
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 5: but then we fall apart in the playoffs.

707
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 6: So it's it's it's very hard.

708
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: I mean, if you said two people in the soccer world,

709
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: it said, okay, now at the end of the season,

710
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: we're having a playoff series. I bet your people will

711
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, this is Mickey mass I didn't like it.

712
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: It's not the real championship anyway, so who cares. They

713
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: would watch it, people would go to it, They get drunk,

714
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: they have fun.

715
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: Literally what college football did. College football didn't have a

716
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: playoff And I was like, this is stupid. We're de

717
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: literally just deciding, and especially because with all though they're

718
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: not playing each other of course and all that, you're

719
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: not having even you know, schedules and stuff like that.

720
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: So why don't we have a playoffs? And everyone's like, yeah,

721
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: we should do that, Yeah, we should do.

722
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 6: That, And I have no idea.

723
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: It's like how college I mean, people will love it

724
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: because it's you're trying to ultimately find out who's the

725
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: best college football team that yere.

726
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the end of the season.

727
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the end of the season, right, Yeah, this

728
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: is right. This is in November and December.

729
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: That's fair.

730
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: There's no cultural significance, like like Lee Leah saying, but

731
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm for it. I think in November December, as we've

732
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: seen these ratings come in, not a lot of people

733
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: are watching the games. Will this increase it by a lot?

734
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: Probably not, But I think it's a win win on

735
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: both sides. Players are going to be playing for money.

736
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: There is going to be an added cash value ash

737
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: cash ash cash, added cash prize for the entire team.

738
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: It also means that there are going to be less

739
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: games in general for the majority of the league. You

740
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: go down to seventy eight games, So that's tied into

741
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: this one. So I assume that there'll be like three

742
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: measures that they'd be voting on. And this is won

743
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: the midseason tournament. But you also, hey, Lebron, if you

744
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: want to chill and you don't want to win these games,

745
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: and you don't want that extra money, and you want

746
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: these few days off so you guys play seventy eight games,

747
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: go ahead, vote for this, Lakers, vote for this. So

748
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: it's it's definitely a band aid, but I think it's

749
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: a win win in that players will be playing for money,

750
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: the league gets more money, and there'll be some more

751
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: eyeballs in November and December when the casual fan says

752
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: the NBA season doesn't start tell Christmas anyways, and it's

753
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: less games for players. So yeah, no one's going to

754
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: be like, hey, I want that silver Cup. But I

755
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: think everybody will benefit, you know, sort of indirectly, because

756
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: there'll be more people watching November December, not a ton

757
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: more people. Let's let's be straight here, let's be straight.

758
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: It's the regular season sort of extended, right, It's like.

759
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, what it might be again the casual fans that

760
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: are like, oh, what is this first off and then oh,

761
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 4: it's a one like they play one game to decide

762
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: who goes on it is like another little mini March madness.

763
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: It's people are going to be gambling on it. People

764
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: are obviously going to be talking about it, like us included.

765
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: There's just more Yeah, there's just more eyeballs and chatter

766
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: about the league. Yep, which I guess is a.

767
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: Good thing anyway, especially with the way ratings have come

768
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: in right right early.

769
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: So what do you think about this?

770
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm for it, but there's got to be two things addressed. Lee,

771
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Like you're saying there's no significance to it. So if

772
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: they signed the deal, it's got to be for at

773
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: least ten years. They have to get yeah, because the

774
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: first year nobody's gonna carey. The league even says, we

775
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: know there's no tradition behind it. Stuff has to happen

776
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: for there to be a tradition. Nobody cared about the

777
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: first NBA Championship. They care about the seventy fifth one,

778
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, so keep it around. Another way to make

779
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: it different is knockout round twenty three and under.

780
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: That means you're getting guys who are basically college age.

781
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: You're giving teams that are built around a young nucleus

782
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: more of a chance to win this. And then I

783
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: think that if a young team like a Sun's team

784
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: goes out and wins this Silver Cup, they can say, hey,

785
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: we won the Silver Cup in twenty twenty, imagine what

786
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna be like in twenty twenty two. It's almost

787
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: like a prestige we won were next sort of thing.

788
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're just playing a tournament in the middle of

789
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: the season, and they do that in college basketball.

790
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: But who won the Shamanade tournament?

791
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, just excuse to get a bunch of teams

792
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: together and wear Hawaiian shirts.

793
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 4: What do you think about that idea like Hawaiian shirits

794
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: No what Trey is saying actually putting some rules in

795
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: places roster.

796
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: Joan would watch.

797
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 5: But I think if you can separate it in some

798
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: way to maybe show that it is different, that might

799
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: at least draw some interest.

800
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 6: A way.

801
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: A part of the intrigue is seeing how actually teams

802
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: and franchises will approach this thing. Maybe maybe some will

803
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 4: go like youth movement. Maybe some are like, we're desperate

804
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: to win anything. We're going for this damn thing like that.

805
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 4: Maybe is actually a mildly an exciting pot. It might

806
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: be a team with Little Ryan It's like, we don't care,

807
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 4: We're not playing for that. Okay, I don't know. That's

808
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: something about that is sort of cool to me, seeing

809
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 4: on who sort of values it more than others. Yeah,

810
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: now they go about it.

811
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think to Trey's point,

812
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 5: someone like Lebron is not going to care when he's

813
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: in his thirty fourth year.

814
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: No, nor should he.

815
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

816
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: But then again, as I'm saying, maybe implements fever rules

817
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: make it forty minute games just so people go, okay,

818
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 5: it's quick.

819
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 6: Because another sport that.

820
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 5: Has changed in recent times, in the last fifteen twenty

821
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 5: years is cricket. Because cricket has five day games, which

822
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: people who don't aren't born and raised in a cricket

823
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 5: country can't understand why people would watch it. And then

824
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: they have the one day game, which is a shortened

825
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 5: version of that. But even the one day game became stale,

826
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: so they change it to even a shorter version of

827
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: the one day game, which is like a three hour

828
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: game now and next one pitch game exactly one quarter

829
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 5: one half of as.

830
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Soon as lead breaks man's game.

831
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: I will say that the game, which is called twenty

832
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: twenty Cricket, people were skeptical at first, but now it's

833
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 5: actually very popular and successful, mainly because it's short and

834
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: it's like but cricket tends to be an entire day affair.

835
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 5: Now with this short version of cricket, it's way shorter.

836
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 5: It's it's like a normal sport. I don't know how

837
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 5: it goes as far as the quickest in the North

838
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: American sports.

839
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 6: But it's designed for a North American audience.

840
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: So you want to see if they were to do

841
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: this in mid season tournaments, you know, taking sort of

842
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 4: a tree of saying like, okay, here's a twist. You

843
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: can only have guys that are young on your team

844
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: playing for it, but you want to get even more

845
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: creative with whatever.

846
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: The rules four pointers goodness, you know, nicknames on the

847
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 5: back of your jerseys is basically the three on three. No,

848
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: but why not just try to see if that generates

849
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 5: any sort of interest, Because if you're just going to

850
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: play the same games, the same rules for a nothing tournament,

851
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be hard to get people

852
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 5: to care about it when ultimately it doesn't mean anything

853
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 5: like let's say you win that tourn Okay, let's say

854
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 5: you win that tournament guaranteed a place in the playoffs

855
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: or okay, something like that.

856
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: You're a better chance at a draft pick or something

857
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: like that.

858
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: You're guarantee they're guaranteed no lower than third pick in

859
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: the draft or something like that. So that then people

860
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 5: are like, hey man, we got to get in on

861
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 5: this something to you're talking about the money. They're tached short,

862
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: but they don't need money, these teams, they need something

863
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 5: to play for that's more significant.

864
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: I think. Yeah.

865
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: I mean there's no doubt the NBA and Silver they

866
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: see this little mid season tournament also as something you

867
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: can sell that could be lucrative. I mean you could

868
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: sell you could really sell this the tournament itself to

869
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: another broadcaster. I mean it could like you know, you've

870
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: got ESPN with the games, you got to Turnam with

871
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: the game. They could sell it to In theory to

872
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: if everyone agreed to this, to YouTube, to whoever, to CBS, whoever,

873
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: or again ESPN and Turner and they just get more

874
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: money for these games. These aren't going to draw Like

875
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 4: that's the real question. Is it going to draw any

876
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 4: more attention? Are people going to tune in to what

877
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 4: you're saying is a meaningless a meaningless tournament.

878
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if you're that other distributor or provider like

879
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: YouTube or whoever, you get those regular season ratings coming

880
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: over to you. That's those are ratings, right, those are

881
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: built in Like there's not gonna be fewer people watching, Like,

882
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: you can sell that, and I think they will. They

883
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: will be purchased. From a money standpoint, let's get business here. Yeah,

884
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: I think you could sell that, and there's money.

885
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: To the tournament's gonna be call, it's gonna be presented

886
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 4: by somebody. There's no doubt.

887
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: Yes, these games are not taking place in the dark. No, yes,

888
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I agree they should sell it and put them on TV.

889
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: But this is why. But no, this goes to the

890
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: like the timing of all this is when when is

891
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: the next deal come up for It's like twenty twenty five,

892
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: So there's no doubt they're trying to get this going

893
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 4: so they can be like, if it works and then

894
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: everyone's making more money, then they're like, oh, this is great,

895
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna make more money even when twenty twenty five comes.

896
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: But you know, it could just blow up in their

897
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: face and no one cares, and then it's like, all right,

898
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: I guess, but kudos for trying something like this that

899
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: might make you more relevant, make everybody more money. That's

900
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 4: the name of the game for these guys, for these owners.

901
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,959
Speaker 4: But you know, fans are like, don't hurt the league,

902
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 4: don't hurt the actual sport just so everyone can make more.

903
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing to me.

904
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: It's like cool, if owners are making more money, congratulations

905
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: to them. They have a lot of it. I would

906
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: like some of it. Give us some of the money.

907
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Is it a better product? Is the real question that

908
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: the NBA should be asking not should we be making

909
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: our owners more money? If you want a better product,

910
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: there should be less games. But that takes money out

911
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: of their pockets.

912
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I mean it's the owners making money and

913
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: then it's being transferred in part to the players through

914
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: bri Like that money does go to the players through

915
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 3: salaries if they are making more money. So it's not hey,

916
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: the coffers of every owner get stuffed. It's it's part

917
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: of the player's money as well.

918
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 4: Would would this silver Cup?

919
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: They're millionaires?

920
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: Would this silver Cup we got to call it silver

921
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: Cup that's so good be played in a neutral location?

922
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 4: Or would these teams that you know earn the right

923
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: to have the home games? I mean get them, I

924
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: mean that would be their their games.

925
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 6: You would think I would want them.

926
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 5: I would think fim venues because yeah, let's say the

927
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 5: Phoenix Suns and the Timbolves are playing in Chicago.

928
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 6: Who's going to turn up to.

929
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 4: That, right, especially when considering this is uh, you know, okay, hey, owners,

930
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 4: we are shortening in theory from eighty two to seventy eight.

931
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 4: But some of you teams that get these home games

932
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: or you're gonna getting you're getting right back to being

933
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 4: at eighty two. So you're gonna have your own games. Yeah,

934
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 4: I would think you would have them in the respective

935
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 4: cities for the higher ranked seeds. But you know, there's

936
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: I guess there's something there to the Hey, let's go

937
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 4: to Vegas for for a weekend to play what would

938
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: it be? Seven games? Right in the sentence, could see it. Sure,

939
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 4: it's a break for everybody else, for all the other teams.

940
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: And that's the funny part.

941
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you make it a good location.

942
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot more fun I guess to

943
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: go play a tournament in Miami in December than to

944
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: play a tournament in New York City in December. So

945
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, pick a cool location, don't pick us

946
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: location where there's an NBA team, Go somewhere else.

947
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's really like the Summer League tournament

948
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. To me, it feels like the significance

949
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: is that sort of level, like you're not winning anything,

950
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: but like Trey was selling it with the amateurs, like, hey,

951
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: our team will be good one day. These guys are

952
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: on the rise, but you're playing with your actual players. Yeah.

953
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: I find that the one that that the idea that

954
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: Trey brought up under twenty three. It's like, you know

955
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 3: how they used to do in the Olympics for soccer

956
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: right where it was amateurs, Yeah, and that kind of

957
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: it's like it do you care? Do you care that.

958
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 5: Their soccer already has such a you know, they have

959
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: their domestic tonents, Championleague and the World Cup. Yeah, Olympic

960
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: medal just doesn't mean anything to those guys.

961
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would find it hard. I think if you're

962
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: a fan, you're like, oh, I'm gonna go watch Cameron

963
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: Johnson and guys like who aren't their team. I don't

964
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: know if that would draw enough. You know, I think

965
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: you'd have to try and get the real guys to play.

966
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: To me, but do you think the real guys are

967
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: gonna play? Do you think Lebron is going to care

968
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: at all about winning a mid season tournament.

969
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: No, These are going to be rest games for the

970
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: big players anyways.

971
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why to me, it's then you have

972
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: the issue of we're doing a mid season tournament. These

973
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: guys are resting already. Yeah, it's because it doesn't count

974
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: towards the actual championship. But if you're saying those guys

975
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: are gone already, they don't have to worry about resting,

976
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: you're getting the best players who would be playing in

977
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: a college tournament playing against each other in a college

978
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: style tournament.

979
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me. But people want to see

980
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: the big games, no doubt.

981
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then this, you know, all of this, is

982
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: it all pointless if the season is not going to

983
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 4: be shortened drastically? Is what everybody's asking with all this stuff.

984
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 4: They're like, Okay, yeah, you got this tournament, you got

985
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 4: these playing games, and like, well what about the whole

986
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: thing about? The fundamental problem seems to be the season

987
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: is just too damn long. Why don't you focus on that? That,

988
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: of course is the one that's good luck training to

989
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: convince a bunch of billionaires to take less money. Ye,

990
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 4: But then the argument is, you know, you can have

991
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: less games and still make more money.

992
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they would need to be convinced of that,

993
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: like without question, because if you're saying, you know, if

994
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 5: you're dramatically going to reduce the season and four games

995
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 5: like by fifteen or twenty games to really make it

996
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 5: so the schedule is a little bit more.

997
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 6: Even, that's going to be a tough sell.

998
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 5: But then in that scenario like the fifty eight game one,

999
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 5: where everyone plays each other once home, once away, then

1000
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 5: you go to the playoffs with the top sixteen and

1001
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 5: there's no real you don't need conferences or division. You've

1002
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: got the sixteen best records that go in. And then

1003
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 5: I personally i'd also scrap better seven in the first

1004
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: round of the playoffs.

1005
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 4: I knew you were going to bring that up.

1006
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 6: And maybe even the second round.

1007
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: Maybe you like the idea of just making them more exciting.

1008
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think five, five, seven, seven, I think I

1009
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 5: think that would make I think in that first round

1010
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: that best of five, then every single game becomes a

1011
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 5: little bit more critical, I believe. I think in a

1012
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: seven game series, what tends to happen is they just

1013
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 5: drag on a little bit.

1014
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 4: I feel, Yeah, I mean, you run risk of then

1015
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 4: not having the best teams you know, make it through.

1016
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: But your counter would be well, they weren't the best team.

1017
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 6: If they last Yeah, I mean I get that.

1018
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 5: You should be able to win that five game series anyway.

1019
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 5: If you're the best team, you should.

1020
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're generally been twenty twenty five games better than

1021
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: the team you're playing in the regular season. But you know,

1022
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 4: injuries and stuff like that happened.

1023
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 6: It's interesting.

1024
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: It all definitely leads back to slicing the schedule. That's

1025
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: where it should go. All the talk, all of this

1026
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: talk all leads back to, hey, we got to cut

1027
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: the schedule by a significant amount of game. But well,

1028
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: unless there is a drastic drop off in the interests

1029
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: of basketball worldwide, will that ever happen? Will they ever

1030
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 3: come to a point where they have to say, hey,

1031
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 3: we've got to be experimental like the WNBA. That's that's

1032
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: the worry. I would counter that with, like I was

1033
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: saying earlier, the NFL walks to the table and they say, hey,

1034
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: give us bajillions of dollars for our TV product. The

1035
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: NBA does that, but gets it to a lesser extent

1036
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: and has way more games. You have to believe in yourself.

1037
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: You have to believe in Adam Silver to do it.

1038
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: To make this game more popular, even though they slice

1039
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: off the games. You'll be fine, bajillionaires. You'll be fine.

1040
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: In the short term. There may be some bumps in

1041
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 3: the road, but this is the number one sport on

1042
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: the rise. It'll be the it'll it'll fly past the

1043
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: NFL one day, and those games need to be more.

1044
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: Maybe No, I don't know.

1045
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: I'm it seems like now would be the time.

1046
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: It seems like now would be the time for the

1047
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: NBA have to have surpassed the NFL with concussion problems

1048
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL, they have had so so many problems

1049
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: the NFL has. People say they watch it last, but

1050
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: they don't. People say they watch the NBA more, but

1051
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: they don't. So if the NBA isn't catching the NFL, now,

1052
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: when is it going to happen?

1053
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: Maybe once we get this sweet tournament.

1054
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 6: I think it's India is a good one.

1055
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: Yes, I think at some point it will simply because

1056
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: at the youth level, I still believe the numbers are

1057
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 5: dropping off football participation because parents don't want their kids

1058
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 5: playing football. So I think that that will be something

1059
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: we see down the road. But you know, another interesting

1060
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: model for the NBA to look at would be the

1061
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 5: tennis model because they have four baby, well, they have

1062
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: four important tournaments a year, right, people only care about

1063
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: Grand Slams as far as like Roger feder and rafaan

1064
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 5: Adel with your legacy, but they don't want Rafael Nadal

1065
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 5: and Roga Federer to just not turn up to tournaments

1066
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 5: which they sometimes you know, I mean or whatever.

1067
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 6: But they because of your ranking.

1068
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: To the Rogers Cup exactly Canada.

1069
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 5: So because your ranking points are tied to your your

1070
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 5: entire season of what you did this season before, they

1071
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 5: want to make sure that guys are at least turning

1072
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: up to these tournaments because then your ranking gets affects

1073
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 5: your seeding going into the major tournament. So so that

1074
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: that's their way of trying to make sure that guys

1075
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 5: don't just focus on those four tournaments a year because

1076
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 5: that's the only ones people care about.

1077
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 6: What it works generally, it works for the most part.

1078
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you see Serena Williams turn up to the

1079
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 5: Rudgers Government get knocked out in the first round by

1080
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 5: an unknown It happens, sure, but at least you know

1081
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 5: you said she's through that.

1082
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 6: I'm saying you see the odd Yeah, you see the

1083
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 6: odd strange player win a tournament from time to time.

1084
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: But well, and you see Serena come into a tournament

1085
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: a major rank like twenty third, and you're like, huh,

1086
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't think she's the twenty third best women's tennis

1087
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: player around.

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Speaker 6: She's definitely the outline.

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Speaker 5: But for the guys like Nadal and Federer and Djokovic,

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00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 5: they don't want to face each other until late, late,

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00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 5: late in the tournament. So like, it's not perfect. There's

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00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: no perfect system of course out there, and wimbled and

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00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 5: I believe still doesn't just take your automatic ranking to

1094
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: make you that seat. They take base it on past

1095
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 5: results too, because it's the grasscow.

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Speaker 4: This guy wants to take the NBA and turn it

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00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 4: into a hybrid of me I guess soccer and tennis.

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00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: That's well, I'm just saying other sports have faced problems

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00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: and have found somewhat you know, decent solutions.

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00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: Just play basketball over five days.

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00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 6: Well you know what, like, let's let's let one game.

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00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 5: Let's get real Madrid over here and play in a

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00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 5: tournament a bass Lenner and who's the biggest Greek theme?

1104
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 6: Get there?

1105
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what you say that you're joking a

1106
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: little bit about it, but why not again? I liked

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00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: what Trey said. If they go with this tournament thing,

1108
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: you gotta lock it in for a significant amount of time.

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00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 4: It can't be the old draft wheel or sorry, the

1110
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: dunk wheel in the Dunk Contest. You got to you

1111
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: gotta commit to it for whatever. Yeah, ten years, let's

1112
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: say it's got to be pretty significant. But you know

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00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: who is to say that at some point you're not playing,

1114
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 4: like you're not playing some European team for that Cup.

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00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 6: Or something like that.

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00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's in play if specifically those games

1117
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: are not a part of the regular season, which is

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00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: which is not? I do have a question what will

1119
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: those Where will those stats live?

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00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 6: Like?

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00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: Well, if Harden plays in that tournament, silver stats, and

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00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: Harden plays in that tournament and averages sixty a game

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00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: in the three games that he plays there, I guess

1124
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: those won't count to his regular season.

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00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't.

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00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: That that's a good point, but something else to put

1127
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: on your Hall of Fame PLAQ.

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Speaker 4: I guess silver Cup?

1129
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, except the Silver Cup record with one hundred and

1130
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: seventy points in one game. Yeah, there's an eight point

1131
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: line now in the Silver Cup.

1132
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's too that that that's they have to

1133
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 5: create something again that people go, I actually want to

1134
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 5: see what happens here, not just like oh, they're playing

1135
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 5: that tournament, Swight, I don't have to watch the NBA.

1136
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: I mean, look, we're all coming at this from different angles.

1137
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: They glad we did this, Like yeah, you want to

1138
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: completely like sort of change the game, which is because

1139
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: you want to get you know, new excitement to it

1140
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: because and again I think I think that's a little much.

1141
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: But again, you know, you have to be bold. You

1142
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 5: have to be bold, that's right.

1143
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 6: But I'll be bold.

1144
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: But but again, I know, I know Adam sie Will

1145
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 5: focused so much on soccer, but there's so many different

1146
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 5: aspects in play there. Because when you have Man United

1147
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 5: versus Juventus in the Champions League, people go crazy for

1148
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 5: that because it's two major historical teams going at each other.

1149
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 6: There's just no equivalent of that in the NBA.

1150
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 5: And I think Adam silll was trying to create it

1151
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 5: in some way without like like Lakers Celtics great, you know, great.

1152
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: He imagine that meeting the very first thing.

1153
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 4: I actually just think he's trying to make more money

1154
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: for the people he works for. So that's how I look.

1155
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I don't think it's that.

1156
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 5: I think it's more he's looking and seeing that the

1157
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: regular season is becoming a little long and boring.

1158
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah exactly, And because so money starts going down.

1159
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 6: Starts going down. Yeah.

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00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: But I think the more motivating factors like get people

1161
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 5: interested in, keeping them, keep them interested.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm a I can't believe it. I'm somewhat of

1163
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: a fan of all sort of three slash four of

1164
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: these ideas. I guess it is a bit of a

1165
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 4: why not give it a go?

1166
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: Look, I have changed my thinking on NBA innovation recently

1167
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: because I just kept thinking, I don't want to be

1168
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: the guy in the nineteen seventy saying we don't need

1169
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: a three point line. There were people that said that

1170
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: that would be all of NBA Twitter today if they

1171
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: were to introduce the three point lamb.

1172
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: This sucks.

1173
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I've been watching two pointers my whole life. Now I

1174
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: gotta know what a three pointer is. No, you'll get

1175
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: used to it. People don't like things at first, and

1176
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: then that grows on them. So I'm off on everything

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00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: except for the play in tournament.

1178
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 4: But it is funny. It's all cyclical. So now people

1179
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: are saying we don't need the three point like, get.

1180
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: Rid of the Yeah, exactly.

1181
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 4: It just takes a long time. It takes forty fifty years.

1182
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: All right, guys, you gotta tweet at us your thoughts.

1183
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 4: As I said at no dunks in hashtag no dunks. Hey,

1184
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: email us in on any of these ideas that the

1185
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 4: NBA is gonna propose at the Board of Governor's meeting.

1186
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 4: No dunks at Theathletic dot Com. You heard it here first.

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Speaker 2: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome.

1188
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember Adam Silver just wants

1189
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: what's best for basketball.

1190
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: Embrace the day.

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00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 6: People.

1192
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: You could stay boo every day and dad be happy

1193
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: every minute.

1194
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 6: It's been so long that you're the one not wait for.

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00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: It's happened already.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be grivy.