1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry, 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy B. Wilson. Crazy. We talked about kitties this week. 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: We sure did, UH that it was to be a 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: little bit of a ball save for some of our 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: less delightful episodes that we've done. Uh. In particular, I 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: had researched the one on swill milk right before this, 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: and it was too much. I absolutely loved looking through 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: various lists about famous historical cats, but what I really 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: enjoyed was once I had narrowed my list and started 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: doing research. I mean, this always happens right anytime you 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: look at and I'm not dogging any writers who do 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: these like listicles that are like short, here are some 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: famous things in a group. A lot of nuance always 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: gets left out because it's just the nature of of 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: how those things work. So I'm always delighted when I 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: uncover all of the various deeper research and information about 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: any of them. For example, the the fact that, like 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Richard the Third, scholars have talked about this whole story 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: with Wyatt and whether or not it's kind of overblown 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: to make Richard the Third look bad and like this 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: weird cat portion of it being involved. M I love 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: all of that. I love that portrait of Wyatt with 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: his cat friend staring at him like, look, I brought 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: you dinner, and he's just kind of spaced out looking 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: else there. I love all of it. But as I said, 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: my very favorite, even though unsingable, Sam, is much loved 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: in cat story circles, it's Mike the cat. Yeah, Mike 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the cat. I want to time travel to not hug 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: you or try to hug you and get my face 31 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: clowed off. I feel like my brother's childhood allergies have 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: become like a running theme recent episodes of the show. 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: We should just do an episode about that. Um I 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I wanted a cat from the time I learned the 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: word cat. Uh. And my brother, who's a couple of 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: years younger than me, had various allergies, and I don't 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember if we knew he was allergic to cats, 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: or if we suspected that a cat would be a problem. 39 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: And so my parents are like, no cats. Because we 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: also lived on a very very busy road was not 41 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: a safe place to have outdoor cats, which was a 42 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: thing more people were okay with in nine. So we 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: had these family friends who had this mean old tom 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: cat that you know, lived at their their their farm 45 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: or their uh, I don't know if it was an 46 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: I don't know there was an actual functioning farm, but 47 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: like they had property that was even more in the 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: country than we were. And I remember walking down the 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: sidewalk walking past the cat, and the cat, unprompted, just 50 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: clawing the back of my leg, and not even that 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: was enough to dem my love for cats. Oh yeah, 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: which continued until we found a stray in the backyard 53 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: who was terrified of the road. Um, and then that 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: continued to be my cat all the way until college. 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean I think I mentioned on this 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: show before, right, Like I grew up on kind of 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: a little farm situation and we always had dogs and 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: never cats, and I too was like I want kiddies, 59 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I wanted everything, but um, when we moved 60 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: to Florida from Washington State and it was no longer 61 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: a farm situation. I remember one day on the way 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: home from Saturday morning ballet class, my dad drove me 63 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: to a place where they had cats, said, I pick 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: out at kitten UM, and I picked out a little 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: black kitten and do you know that cat which was 66 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: um that we had that one in another growing up um, 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: as well as a couple of of manx is. But 68 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: she lived until I was in my thirties, um, my 69 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: early thirties, So she lived a very long life even 70 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: though she was an outdoor cat. You look at statistics, 71 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, outdoor cats usually live significantly shorter lives than 72 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: indoor cats. Not always, they're clearly outliers, UM. And I 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: know that's a big debate in a hot button issue 74 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: that people will argue and argue about, and I do 75 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: not wish to wait into that. Listen to your veterinarians advice. 76 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: It's all I can tell you. My cats are indoor 77 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: only aside from it being safer for the local bird population, 78 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I have too much anxiety about their safety to let 79 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: them leave the house. Um. They have plenty of enrichment 80 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: and activity to stir up in here. UM. So they 81 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: all are very you know, they get their needs meant 82 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: But yes, so Boo Boo as her name was, lived 83 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: a very very long time and really started my lifelong 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: love of cats. And of course I've had many since then, 85 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: and continue to uh, and I see how people would 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: want to immortalize cats with big characters like Mike and 87 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: unsinkable Sam. That's a great story. Yeah, I wandered into 88 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: a portion of the Internet where people today are still 89 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: actively arguing about whether or not his story is true. Um. 90 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: It just goes to show you how passionately people feel 91 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: both about animals and about um the lore that grows 92 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: up around them. You know, they're there are people that 93 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: love that story so much, and they're like, let me 94 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: just believe this story, and they will refute every argument 95 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: and have reasons to explain the disparate photographic evidence. If 96 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: you want to believe it. It hurts nothing is where 97 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm at. I think there's an old, old episode the 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: archive about the Bismarck, and I have no knowledge of 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: whether it talks about a cat at all. I don't either. 100 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: I didn't actually listen to that one because it is 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: quite a ways back and it could be a little 102 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: hard to access sometimes. But um, yeah, I like doing 103 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: these fun ones. It's kind of like when we did 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: our Hellhounds episode in October. I love them. They're super 105 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: fun to to look at different ways people have memorialized 106 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: and talk about and folklore eyes for lack of a 107 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: better word, um stories about animals. They lend themselves to 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: kind of becoming urban legend and folklore because it's not 109 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: like the cat ever gave its own account of how 110 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: things went, so we can people that tell the story 111 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: can kind of imprint what they want on it um 112 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: without the actual key player ever contradicting it, which is 113 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: very funny. I did read a tidbit that I didn't 114 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: include in the mic story that there was you know, 115 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: he wandered all over pretty openly. He wasn't a right 116 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: of being around people. He just didn't want to be 117 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: petted and you know, picked up and and fussed over. 118 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: And there was one of the areas of one of 119 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: the gates at the British Museum that he knew that 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: if he was over there, he had a way that 121 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: he could get up high on the gatehouse and get 122 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: away from people and just stare at them, which is 123 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: pretty cute. But he would also apparently hang out in 124 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: the reading room and as long as nobody bugged him, 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: he's perfectly fine there. He didn't seem to want to 126 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: go after anyone. He just just let me do my things, 127 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: just yeah, don't touch me, me, my thing, my hang out. 128 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat the fish that people are cooking for me. 129 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: We started with a caterer cat and end up with 130 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: a catered to cat, which is kind of not by design, 131 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: but how it worked out well. And and having gone 132 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: to extreme lengths to feed a cat who was, you know, 133 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: approaching the end of her life. Yeah, I'm I'm there 134 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: for the making of fish and chicken. Oh he was 135 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: getting that all the time though, that wasn't they Sure 136 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: it was very soft at the end, but he was 137 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: getting cooked for his whole life. I don't know if 138 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Mike ever ate a piece of kibble, for example. I 139 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: think he ate mightily well. Of course, that was before 140 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: the huge rise in the industrialized pet food concept, so 141 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: there may not have been kibble available. It's just eating 142 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: eating yummy things. I love that the waitresses in the 143 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: little sometimes see it referenced as a cafe and sometimes 144 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: is a refreshment room. We're giving him scraps every day. 145 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: I think it's very true. You would think he would 146 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: have liked them more, but apparently, don't touch me, just 147 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: put down the food and go, which is kind of 148 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: how I live my own life. So, uh, we hope 149 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this one this week. I had so much 150 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: fun doing it and it was exactly what I needed. 151 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: This week. On the show, we talked about eradicating smallpox, which, 152 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: as I said, I was when convinced we had already covered. Yeah. 153 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: One of the things that we did not get into 154 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: in the episode, um in part because it's it's not uh, 155 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: it's not an easy thing to actually calculate for real. 156 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: But sometimes you will see numbers about like how cost 157 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: effective the vaccine program was, and like how many millions 158 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: of dollars countries invested into it versus how many millions 159 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: of more dollars they saved by not having to response 160 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: to smallpox outbreaks or treat people for smallpox, or have 161 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: all of the ongoing social and economic issues of people 162 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: whose family members died of smallpox. And I wound up 163 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: just leaving that out of the episode because I am 164 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: tired of talking about people as though we are dollars. Yeah. 165 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I mean, I understand the need 166 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: for that kind of analysis, but it does tend to 167 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: kind of dehumanize the whole situation. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. There 168 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: are also entire books that look at like particularly the 169 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: US involvement through a more foreign policy lens and looking 170 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: at cold war politics and that kind of stuff, And 171 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: that is just not the lens that I took to 172 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: look at this particular thing. Uh again, because I was 173 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: mostly more interested in the idea of saving human lives 174 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: and stopping a many thousands of year old deadly disease 175 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: from freely circulating on the planet. That was where my 176 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: focus was this time. Yeah, I mean I could see 177 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: where that might be top of mind these times we're 178 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: living in it's um I feel myself often vacillating kind 179 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: of being like, oh, I'm hopeful things we get better 180 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: and then it'll just tanksit. So this hopefully will be 181 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: a balmb for people on the same I think a 182 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: lot of us around that roller coaster. Yea, yeah, I 183 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I have um a a weekly dinner um with a 184 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: friend of mine that for the period of the pandemic 185 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: when vaccines didn't exist yet and a lot of times 186 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: like the risk was really high in our area, like that, 187 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: whole time, we had a virtual lunch. We would get 188 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: on our Google hangout or our zoom or whatever, and 189 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: we would have our virtual lunch. And then when we 190 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: were both vaccinated. We transferred that into being in person 191 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: but outdoors, and we the last time that we had 192 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: had dinner, we had this conversation about how frustrating it 193 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: had been here in Massachusetts to have had basically a 194 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: three week span where everything in Massachusetts, like the entire 195 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Commonwealth of Massachusetts, was marked as low risk in terms 196 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: of COVID transmission, and at that point, like the numbers 197 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: were escalating everywhere and have continued to escalate since then. 198 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: And we talked about feeling, um simultaneously frustrated with that 199 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: trajectory and having felt like we sort of saw we 200 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: saw an improvement on the horizon and then the fortunes reversed, 201 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: while simultaneously knowing that like there are a whole lot 202 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: of the world has barely any access to vaccines at 203 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: all at this point, and um, you know, as things 204 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: were improving overall in the United States, there was just 205 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a humanitarian catastrophe happening in India with its COVID levels, 206 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: and it's all interlocks together, um, with both smallpox and 207 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: render pest. One of the things that we've talked about 208 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: is like, when you have a global disease, it cannot 209 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: be addressed through just a piece meal everybody taken their 210 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: own path. Kind of a situation like a global pandemic 211 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: requires a global effort, and I don't know if we're 212 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: ever gonna have one it. I mean, that's the thing, 213 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: right like, and that's the hopeless moment is it does 214 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: not feel like it. I don't know how to cure it. 215 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: Greater months than I will hopefully figure it out and 216 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: I will do my best to help um. One of 217 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: the things that also struck me while I was working 218 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: on this, and I might have said something similar when 219 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: we did that, that sort of how we're doing at 220 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the pandemic episode. Working on this 221 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: really made me think about how my parents were born 222 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: before small box was eradicated in the United States. My 223 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: parents are old enough to remember when polio was circulating 224 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: within the United States, which polio no longer really a 225 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: problem in the United States, but still a big problem 226 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world, And how in a 227 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: lot of ways, I feel really fortunate that it has 228 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: taken me this long into my life to be in 229 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: a situation where there is a disease that is spread 230 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: through the air that is potentially lethal. In this way 231 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: as with the COVID nineteen pandemic, which just was not 232 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: part of my experience before this part. Like I'm I'm 233 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: old enough to remember the start of the AIDS crisis, 234 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: which was also terrifying. But HIV is also not airborne, 235 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: which is a different level of risk and fear involved. 236 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: Although I'm old enough to remember when we didn't really 237 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: know how HIV was spread, so that was that was 238 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: a scarier time for um that particular disease. It continues 239 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: to be scary because access to drugs to treat HIV 240 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: continues to be a huge problem. Yeah, I mean, I am. 241 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: I think I've talked about on the show. I have 242 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: done AIDS Walk with the same team every single year, 243 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: and it's like, you still hear about how there are 244 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: there is a perception that that is done and we've 245 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: handled it, and it's like no, no, no, no, no, 246 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: there is still there are still people that need help. 247 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: There are still people you know, there are still new 248 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: cases on occasion. There are still people that need outreach 249 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: and support and community help. And so I also wonder 250 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: if our current situation will similarly be a thing that 251 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: goes on and on forever, and some people will I 252 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: mean we already know some people act as though we 253 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: are through it when we are clearly not. Um. It's 254 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: a On the one hand, I wish I could like 255 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: be an alien observing all of this from a remove 256 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: because it is a fascinating right, you know, all of 257 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: the mechanisms in place and how reactions have varied and 258 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: what's led to those is fascinating to look at. But 259 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately it is more immediately concerning because we are not 260 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: aliens that live far away and can look at this 261 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: like a weird Petrie dish. It is our, our planet 262 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: where we live of with other people. Yeah. I similarly 263 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: think about how if they're still podcasts and a hundred years, 264 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: what hundred years from now podcasters are going to say 265 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: about things that are happening Right all the time I 266 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: think about that, like how is this going to be 267 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: reported and perceived and and what will they get wrong? 268 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Just as I mean we, you know, we in the 269 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: bigger sense you and I certainly at times, and the 270 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: much wider sense the general understanding of the past on 271 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: the part of humanity get stuff wrong. Um, Like, how 272 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: how is this going to be perceived? How will the 273 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: history books get written about it? Yeah, it's still a 274 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: weird time to be humans. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean, 275 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: as we've it's been a while since we've touched on this, 276 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I feel like because for a while, but it's, as 277 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: we said, it seems like it's seemed like things were 278 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: improving somewhat, but like you and I both have a 279 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: lot of things sheltering us from a lot of the 280 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: worst aspects of the pandemic, and it's still scary and frustrating. 281 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: So our thoughts are with all the folks who are 282 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, in in situations that are worse than ours, 283 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: UM and including uh parents who are wrestling with UM 284 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: sending kids to school right now as of this moment, 285 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, by the time this episode comes out, a 286 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: lot of schools are going to have been back in 287 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: session for a period of weeks. But see how that goes. 288 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: We're kind of yeah, as we record, we are right 289 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: at that point where some schools have gone back, others 290 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: are are about to go back. Some schools have gone 291 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: back in four days later, gone back to remote learning 292 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: because there were too many cases. So anyway, uh man, 293 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: I was trying to lead this to a a happier 294 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: moment to close on this particular episode for this thing 295 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: that I chow is to feel a little more optimistic 296 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: for the show, and then we broke it. 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