WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE: Kenya Moore Interview Pt. 1 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.240 Hey, rain drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.240 That's right. You can buy your Allegedly and my. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:14.320 Boys mugs, T shirts, rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.520 all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:18.439 That's right. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.680 Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your mugs all 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:29.760 on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.879 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.680 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.000 television with over ten years of production experience. Once a 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.760 week from Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.159 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.199 shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:54.800 and tweeting about. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:57.920 Rain drops. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:04.120 I mean this woman, and it's not only my sister, 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:06.720 she's my friend. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:12.000 And I don't use the F word loosely. No, you 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.840 don't you know? I love listen. I love the girls. Yes, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:15.920 I love all the girls. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.120 I don't keep in touch with all of them though, No, Shay, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:25.480 there's a few. Yes, and you, I mean you know 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:26.399 how much I love you. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.039 I love you the same so do the other girls. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.319 But to know that. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.720 First of all, my Late Night showed the nightcap Kenya 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.479 was confirmed there was a COVID situation going on. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.720 I had to reschedule. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.600 She said, I want to do it, my bitch, I 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.280 have an international fly. I got and I said, it 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.920 ain't your fault. But again, God has the perfect timing 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.400 for everything. I want to thank you for coming on 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:57.600 my podcast doing your. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.080 Face to face. You are by far too I wanted to. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.160 I was like, you, we need the in person thing, 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.240 not the computer barrier. It's just weird for me, like 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:08.720 our chemistry is in person. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.600 No, it really is. It really is. So everyone welcome. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:17.800 Thank you the living legend this USA. I mean she 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:18.560 puts the. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:25.000 Lebrity in Bravo Leberty Chocolate queen. I mean this woman, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.960 her and portsche saved the franchise from sinking. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.960 I said it before and I'll say it again. Thank you, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.560 thank you, thank you. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.720 Give it up for Kenya the icon Morey. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.240 First of all, let's get started. Thank you to my 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.079 three fans that are means everything to me. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:55.560 Let's talk about you before housewives, because what I want 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.800 to remind people is you were that girl before there 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.400 were ever a reality show, a Bravo network, a housewife, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:04.720 a peace to hold. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:06.120 Any of those things. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.000 You are a dark skinned black girl from Detroit, Michigan. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.799 Come on Detroit, Okay, what up dough? What up dough? 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:19.160 Our hometown, and you have a mask, this empire for yourself. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.680 So I want to go back a little bit. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:27.000 Take me back to the time when you knew inherently 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:33.720 right that I meant to be something special. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.720 When did you know that? Oh gosh, that's so weird. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.120 I don't know if I ever knew it. I just 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:44.320 knew that my life was different. I felt like my 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.480 life that I was living was different from a lot 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:52.720 of other kids around me. And I felt like the 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.760 all of the adversity that came my way dealing with 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.920 my mom, who could have easily destroyed me, like literally, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.760 she told me she would destroy me to my face. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:05.720 My mother said that to me, She said, I will 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.080 dog you for the rest of your. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.280 Life to my face. How old were you? 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:15.119 I was about I had to be. That was when 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.200 I was hiding in my my mother's closet. I had 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.359 pre recorded something because she wouldn't talk to me, and 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.800 I was trying to get her to speak to me, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.839 and my cousin and I pre recorded on the little 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.520 tape cassettes and I hid in her closet of my 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.640 grandmother's home, her mom, hoping that when she came home, 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.440 I could just press play she would listen. And I 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.800 poured my heart out, like just saying, you don't have 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:48.080 to speak to me. You don't have to you know, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.039 we don't have to be friends. You know, you don't 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.640 have to call me your daughter, But can can you 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.200 least speak to me acknowledge me? You know, let's try 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.800 to have a friendship. And when she came home, my 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.760 cousin buried me in the closet, you know, like put 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:03.760 all the clothes things. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.400 So I was hidden in her closet. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.240 And when she came home, I remember my heart was 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.719 just beating out of my chest. And I think it 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.920 was around twelve eleven twelve, I think, and. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.080 She came in. She was she figured out what was 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:19.400 going on. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.320 She you know, she was like, who is there? You know, 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.279 She's opened the closet door. She pulled all the clothes 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.719 and things off of me, grabbed me out of there, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.080 took the recording, and she was livid. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:33.200 She was living. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.120 My grandmother was home, it was her mom, and they 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.599 she told me, you know, I don't have a daughter. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.520 She pretended like, you know, I didn't exist, but she 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:51.000 was livid. She had a conversation with my grandmother, her mom, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.840 and she told her mother to her face, I've never 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.080 had a child. She was like, I've never had a child. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.440 And my grandmother, for the first time ever in my life, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.720 I saw her take up for me, like why can't 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:03.159 you just speak to her? Why do you have to 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.839 treat her that way? And my mother was like, I've 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.800 never had a child. I don't know what you're talking about. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.360 They were arguing and I just remember crying. My cousin 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.960 was crying, and after she was done speaking to my mom, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.120 her mother, she came to me and she said, I 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.600 will dog you for the rest of your life. She 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.680 was like, I will never be your friend. I will 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:23.280 dog you for that. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.039 I will never forget those words. And that was. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:31.359 You know, After that, I think just to just left 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.760 me feeling like that's the end of it. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.520 You know, that was the end of it. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:43.400 And I don't know what happened to me, but over time, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.480 I think I just developed like this thick skin that 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.880 said I'm going to show her wrong, like you're not 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.520 going to destroy me, and she tried everything that she 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:58.440 could try. I remember the first pageant later that I 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:58.800 ever want. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:04.440 It was called Little Let Me. I'm gonna get this wrong. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.920 Miss black Star was my first one, little Miss black Star, 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:10.880 and then the second one. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.080 I can't remember the name right now because I'm getting old. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:19.400 I can't remember the mine other. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:28.160 It is not as good, definitely failing me at time, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.840 but I remember it was so crazy because I remember 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.280 I won my second pageant, so I was I was sixteen, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.560 and that pageant you didn't have to reveal your age, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.040 so the first one you did, I was fourteen thirteen 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.160 or fourteen thirteen. So the second one I entered, I won, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.960 and I was dating someone in high school that was 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.000 very wrong. But he was a predator eleven years my senior. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.200 So I was sixteen. He wasn't a student as twenty seven. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.239 He was twenty seven years old. He was a faculty member. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.440 He was a predator who followed me home from school, 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.280 which a lot of the boys because I looked so 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:14.000 much older. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:15.200 You know, I was tall, I. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.320 Was you know, athletic, curry all that. So no he 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:24.800 met me outside of school. And so anyway, my mother 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.560 was calling the pageant director and was telling her I 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.360 was an alcoholic, I was dating this older man, I 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.000 was all of these horrible things, and that I should 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:42.800 not be her beauty queen. I was a horrible representation, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.760 and she tried to get my crown taken away. And 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.320 I remember having this meeting with both of my grandmothers 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.200 being there with her name was Rosa Robinson and my grandmother. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.240 Both of my grandmothers had to come and it was 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.160 like a trial, and I was on trial to I 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.679 need to keep my first crown that I ever ever won, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.000 and it was all because of my grandmother. I have 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.439 all the proof, the letters, I have everything in my 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:10.439 safety to positive box. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:11.760 But that was all a. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.920 Part of my memoir. So hopefully one day we'll. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.520 Oh, no, we need to see it. But I want 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.080 to go back a little bit in terms of what changed. So, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.760 your mother had you when she was a teenager. Correct, 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:23.000 she was six, She. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.920 Was around sixteen, fifteen sixty. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:25.840 She was on fifteen sixteen. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.440 We know tons of my dad too, right, your parents 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:36.880 were teenagers who I considered the Beyonce of the church. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:42.520 Sarah Dix Roberts had a baby at fourteen, So I 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.040 want to be everyone's different, But I know having a baby. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:52.800 Black community seventies, it was not their first, not minor, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.480 well minor, but teenage pregnancy in the family. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.880 It was their second. It was their second. 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:05.560 Yes, did the pregnancy her to become reclusive because of 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.520 the time that had happened, That's. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.320 A good question. She was always a recluse to me. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.000 She would always be in her room. The mother that 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.600 I knew that I would observe and what I have 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.760 been told, she was never someone who was out and partying. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.600 She was always in her room. But I know her 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.160 post me. You know her post baby. So I can't 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.079 answer that. I only can answer what I personally is. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.120 And you know some of what people have said, but 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.520 I don't. I think it's deeper than that. And I 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.720 really wish in my lifetime that her story would be 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.760 told because we don't know the full story. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.920 Do you think it's a form of Do you think 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:46.800 she's suffering through some form of mental illness? 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:47.360 Absolutely? 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.320 That's why I study psychology because I wanted to find 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.320 out what was wrong with my mother. It was my 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.560 only passion in life at the time. I wanted to 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.600 know what would make a person look their own child 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.240 in the face and say you. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:02.760 Are not mine. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.679 I never had you, and was confident like in her 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.000 eyes she meant that. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.400 And by her trying to block your crown, get it 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:12.920 taken away. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.640 She Oh, that was just one a minute. That was 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 the one thing that I cited. But there was a 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.079 history of her literally trying to destroy me. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.040 That was her. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:27.800 Mission when you came to her house season seven or eight, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:34.480 I believe one of those. Did she ever say anything 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.160 to a founding member about you doing that? 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.840 Yes, yeah, my aunt Laurie, Yeah, my aunt Laurie got 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.840 all the smoke. Yeah, she basically and as you saw, 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.440 my Aunt Laurie agreed with her, like just leave her alone. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:49.200 That's her house. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.240 You know, she doesn't want to have a relationship with you. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.679 You know, she doesn't have to. And the viewers one 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.520 hundred percent loved LORII. After that scene, they were like 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.400 they hated her, not hated. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.360 But no, they were disappointed. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.480 They were disappointed because it's like, how are you going 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.359 to tell this child that she cannot seek a relationship 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.360 or answers from her own mother? And it was it 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.600 was It was a crucial time in my family's life 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.600 and I've always felt that nobody was ever on my side. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.119 No one ever fought. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:30.240 From me to chut oh you know, Oprah like, no, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:35.360 we do no. The thing is this as you do that. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:36.920 I want to say this for the record, and I'm 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.240 going to say this on the record. This is the 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.560 Kenya who I know. This is the King who I 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.600 talk to. You and I have tons of fun shape conversations. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.200 The majority of our conversations. I know you're vulnerable. And 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.160 the reason why I'm so I'm going to say it, 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.600 the reason why I get so disappointed in what happens 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.120 to you on the show is because I'm like, she's 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.880 not a one trick pony. She knows how to give 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.040 y'all share. She could do it to her sleep. She 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.880 knows how to be whimsical and twirl. But the Kingyam 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.400 Moore that I know is a woman who is vulnerable. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.240 My mom died of cancer. Kenya Moore surprised me, flew 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.559 to Detroit and attended my mother's funeral. She did not 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.360 have to have to do that. That's the Kenya Moore. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.200 I want the world to know and I want the 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.840 world to see this because my job on this earth 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.520 is to create safe spaces and to provide clarity for 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.959 people like you, who I feel like are some misunderstood 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.240 and I want to let the world know that when 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.840 it comes to you, imagine being a girl. You're a girl, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.160 and every girl's best friend is their mom. And to 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.959 grow up knowing that you're trying to navigate through life 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.839 as a girl and the one man who gave birth 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.679 to you, it is ostracizing you. And I always said 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.960 to the world, and that's why I appreciated you and 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.640 your father being so honest about this story as we 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.640 were filming bra Housewives, is because I'm like, I want 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.400 to give context to Kenya the woman, and my job 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.960 is to showcase the complexities of you. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.960 Women and men on the show too. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.320 But people on reality because they only watch forty two 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.360 minutes a week, six months out of the year, and 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.360 they feel like they know you. And I'm going to 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.880 go on record saying this, I think you are by 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:46.720 far the number one most misunderstood reality star because people 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:52.120 think you are mean, a bitch, vicious of villain evil, 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.360 you know, and none of those words is what I 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.240 use to describe you, and those were I don't use. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.640 When I talk to God. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:07.480 About you, and I'm happy that you're comfortable sharing that, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.000 but no, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, get through that. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.880 But I had to let the world know that. Imagine 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:15.440 being that. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.960 Do you feel like this that obviously shaped you to 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.760 be the strong woman you are today? 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.680 Oh, one hundred percent. I just think that, you know, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.680 I had my grandmother. I had my grandmother who raised 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.760 me from three days old, who wanted me, you know, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.600 and as I feel like my grandmother was a saint 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.200 and everything that I am, that is who I am 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.600 from my core, is because of my grandmother. She was 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:49.120 just the most beautiful person, and she gave me all 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.520 of those things that a mother is supposed to give 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:57.160 a child, confidence, self esteem, you know, love, She cherished me. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.359 She lit up when I walked into the room. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.400 And she told me I can do anything, I can 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.440 be anything. How smart it was, I mean, that was 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.320 just like she would always praise me for being smart. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.320 It wasn't because I was beautiful that she thought in 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.400 her eyes. Yeah, it was because you know, when I 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.880 would come home, I was a gifted student. I was 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.280 you know, we know what, I'm smart. Okay, I'm not 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.960 the smartest person in the world. But I'm far from 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:22.600 the dumbest. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:23.560 Oh, you're smartest. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.160 That's the bason why some of the girls hate you, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.960 because it's like, not only is this bitch beautiful, she 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.840 had to be smart and not to cut you off. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.440 My favorite moment when me and the producer realize. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.520 King is too smart for her own good. It was 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:38.680 season seven. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.440 Doctor Jeff had a consting session with all the housewives. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.520 I remember that session. You used the word I've never 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:46.440 heard at that time. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:51.520 You said, Portia, you are a revisionist historian. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.280 The producer said, what the fuck does that mean? And 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.800 we looked at her and said, this pitch is so 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.760 smart that the. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:07.639 Housewives the producers read the said resiness historian. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:14.720 You're you're you're super smart history. It's not how it happened. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:20.200 We're revising history. It's okay, it's okay smart. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.919 That's a damn you are. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:29.240 You would not be thriving, honey, Come on now. Yes, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.000 I love humility though, that's it's cute. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:43.080 It's cute jinks again. No, I think because of everything 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.680 that happened, you know, I think people make a choice. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.760 If they can't, it's fight or flight, and I think 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:56.800 that I just had from Doris Grant. She instilled in 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.360 me to fight, and that is why I'm a fighter 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:01.040 by nature. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.879 I'm a lover. I want everyone to get along. I 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.879 love to laugh. I'm a happy person. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.119 But bitch, when you come for me, now you're challenging me, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.840 and now I have to fight, and I will give 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.000 you everything that I have. And sometimes that is perceived 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:21.120 as evil or because my rebuttals are always so lethal 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.480 that they forget about what the other person did to me. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.800 But when you forgot this person literally just try to 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.280 spit on me, or this person just trying to kill me, 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.359 or this person just said the most horrible things to me, 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:38.920 all you can see is the strategic or the way 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.719 that I respond. And it's not fair because they just 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.680 forget about what people have done to me, and it's 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:45.360 not nice. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:46.919 Do you think a lot of that has to do 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:52.920 with colorism? You are a chocolate yeah, black woman. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.200 I know that's come up a lot as of late, 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.240 and I definitely see that there is a choice being made. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.159 And how to respond to people that look like me. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:11.120 You Candace Dela Bassett, Yes, chocolate, chocolate, Yeah, yeah, undeniably chocolate. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:11.760 Candace A. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:17.320 Wordsmith smart, a pageant girl, yes, read the Girls for films. Yes, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.200 and all of a sudden they want her out. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.840 Yeah. You you also, they can't take us. They can't 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:23.159 take us. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.240 Yeah, it's unfortunate, but I have seen a lot of 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.640 that on these shows I have. It's it's not a lie, 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.120 it's not made of it's not a perception. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:34.240 It is a reality. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.639 Speaking of reality, you went from Miss Usa. Yeah, the 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.040 second black woman in the history. You are in the 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.400 history books. You have acted everything from Waiting to Excel 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.560 to Martin the Jamie Fox Show. You created movies with 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.160 Will Packard, Twah Honey. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.199 More Vision Media produced it. Yes, you are. By the 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.160 time You're More. I was your More at the time. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:11.439 Okay, before we get to your reality trajectory, when you 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.679 were a self made producer, what was your vision for 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.959 your life? Did you think, like, okay, before those are 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.320 Shonda Rhimes, Isa Ray, Ava Dumanet, Kenya Moore picked up 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.200 a camera a call sheet. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.119 You know what I'm saying, Lena, I learned the business 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.639 from the other side of the camera because I'm a creative, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.240 like you know what I mean. Yes, I'm in front 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.239 of the camera, but my love is creating I was 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:38.200 in cast tech. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.879 I was a performing arts major. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.240 I loved anything having to do with radio or performing, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.199 any dance, cheerleading. I was a part of all of 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.919 that and it was a love of mine. So I'm 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.800 kind of split down the middle. I love psychology, I 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.679 love to think, I love being analytical, but I also 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:04.520 loved creating and for me, creating content, movies, videos, whatever 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.280 I wanted to do. It was a creative outlet for me. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.919 So it's still a passion. It's a creative passion. So 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.600 I wanted to I was frustrated in things that were 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.040 going on, and I said, you know what, I can 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.800 do this, I can create my own content. Let me 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.000 learn from the best. So I started. I think my 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:28.159 first credit producing was on TOA and that was alongside 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.560 Will Packer. You know where his career is now, and 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.200 please ask Will Packer why he's not hired me again? 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.359 Oh Will Packer, you know I love you know I 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:37.879 love you and Heather Packer, thank. 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.000 You for being up behind every man. 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.280 So we follow each other on Instagram and we. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.000 Have a love for each other. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.760 Brother, I need to know why you ain't hiring Kenya 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.040 Icon Summer Legend more may have. 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.359 Been responsible for putting him on the map. Did I 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:54.920 say that out loud? Did I say that out loud? 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.879 Did I say that allegedly? 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.000 Yes? Pick up your allegedly T shirts or Carlins kingshop 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:06.760 dot com. 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:09.560 So we'll Packer, we need you to. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.600 Let's have a meeting because this is you. Guys don't 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.080 know this. Me and Kenya talk, if not once a week, 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.320 every other week, even when she's filming. 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:21.960 So one of the things that I've always. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.320 Asked Kenya, I'm like, because she's my girl, I'm like, Yo, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:31.120 can we produce a reboot a twah? What are we doing? 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:34.000 I said, I can call Bill Packer. I want a 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.840 reboot of that movie? So, Kenya, why can't we do it? 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:38.480 Can we do it? 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.440 Well, we can do it. Do we want to use 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:44.560 twa in the title? 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.520 I mean, they owe that, But if we did it 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.760