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Speaker 1: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and

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Speaker 1: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality

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Speaker 1: television with over ten years of production experience. Once a

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Speaker 1: week from Reality with the King, we'll sit down with

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Speaker 1: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality

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Speaker 1: shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking

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Speaker 2: Rain drops.

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Speaker 1: I mean this woman, and it's not only my sister,

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Speaker 1: she's my friend.

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Speaker 2: And I don't use the F word loosely. No, you

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Speaker 2: don't you know? I love listen. I love the girls. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I love all the girls.

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Speaker 1: I don't keep in touch with all of them though, No, Shay,

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Speaker 1: there's a few. Yes, and you, I mean you know

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Speaker 1: how much I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you the same so do the other girls.

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Speaker 2: But to know that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, my Late Night showed the nightcap Kenya

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Speaker 1: was confirmed there was a COVID situation going on.

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Speaker 2: I had to reschedule.

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Speaker 1: She said, I want to do it, my bitch, I

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Speaker 1: have an international fly. I got and I said, it

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Speaker 1: ain't your fault. But again, God has the perfect timing

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Speaker 1: for everything. I want to thank you for coming on

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Speaker 1: my podcast doing your.

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Speaker 2: Face to face. You are by far too I wanted to.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you, we need the in person thing,

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Speaker 3: not the computer barrier. It's just weird for me, like

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Speaker 3: our chemistry is in person.

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Speaker 2: No, it really is. It really is. So everyone welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you the living legend this USA. I mean she

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Speaker 2: puts the.

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Speaker 1: Lebrity in Bravo Leberty Chocolate queen. I mean this woman,

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Speaker 1: her and portsche saved the franchise from sinking.

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Speaker 2: I said it before and I'll say it again. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Kenya the icon Morey.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's get started. Thank you to my

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Speaker 2: three fans that are means everything to me.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about you before housewives, because what I want

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Speaker 1: to remind people is you were that girl before there

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Speaker 1: were ever a reality show, a Bravo network, a housewife,

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Speaker 1: a peace to hold.

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Speaker 2: Any of those things.

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Speaker 1: You are a dark skinned black girl from Detroit, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Come on Detroit, Okay, what up dough? What up dough?

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Speaker 1: Our hometown, and you have a mask, this empire for yourself.

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Speaker 2: So I want to go back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Take me back to the time when you knew inherently

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Speaker 1: right that I meant to be something special.

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Speaker 2: When did you know that? Oh gosh, that's so weird.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever knew it. I just

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Speaker 3: knew that my life was different. I felt like my

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Speaker 3: all of the adversity that came my way dealing with

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Speaker 3: my mom, who could have easily destroyed me, like literally,

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Speaker 3: she told me she would destroy me to my face.

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Speaker 3: My mother said that to me, She said, I will

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Speaker 3: I was about I had to be. That was when

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Speaker 3: I was hiding in my my mother's closet. I had

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Speaker 3: My grandmother was home, it was her mom, and they

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Speaker 3: I saw her take up for me, like why can't

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Speaker 3: They were arguing and I just remember crying. My cousin

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Speaker 2: I will never forget those words. And that was.

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Speaker 3: You know, After that, I think just to just left

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Speaker 2: You know, that was the end of it.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what happened to me, but over time,

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Speaker 2: It was called Little Let Me. I'm gonna get this wrong.

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Speaker 3: Miss black Star was my first one, little Miss black Star,

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Speaker 3: and I was dating someone in high school that was

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Speaker 3: very wrong. But he was a predator eleven years my senior.

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Speaker 2: So I was sixteen. He wasn't a student as twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: He was twenty seven years old. He was a faculty member.

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Speaker 3: He was a predator who followed me home from school,

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Speaker 3: I remember having this meeting with both of my grandmothers

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Speaker 3: Both of my grandmothers had to come and it was

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Speaker 3: and it was all because of my grandmother. I have

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Speaker 2: But that was all a.

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Speaker 3: Part of my memoir. So hopefully one day we'll.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, we need to see it. But I want

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Speaker 1: to go back a little bit in terms of what changed. So,

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Speaker 1: your mother had you when she was a teenager. Correct,

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Speaker 1: she was six, She.

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Speaker 3: Was around sixteen, fifteen sixty.

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Speaker 2: She was on fifteen sixteen.

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Speaker 1: We know tons of my dad too, right, your parents

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Speaker 1: were teenagers who I considered the Beyonce of the church.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Dix Roberts had a baby at fourteen, So I

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Speaker 1: want to be everyone's different, But I know having a baby.

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Speaker 3: Black community seventies, it was not their first, not minor,

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Speaker 3: well minor, but teenage pregnancy in the family.

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Speaker 2: It was their second. It was their second.

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Speaker 1: Yes, did the pregnancy her to become reclusive because of

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Speaker 3: A good question. She was always a recluse to me.

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Speaker 3: And you know some of what people have said, but

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's a form of Do you think

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: That's why I study psychology because I wanted to find

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Speaker 2: Are not mine.

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Speaker 3: I never had you, and was confident like in her

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Speaker 1: And by her trying to block your crown, get it

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Speaker 3: She Oh, that was just one a minute. That was

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Speaker 3: the one thing that I cited. But there was a

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Speaker 2: That was her.

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Speaker 1: Mission when you came to her house season seven or eight,

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Speaker 1: I believe one of those. Did she ever say anything

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, my aunt Laurie, Yeah, my aunt Laurie got

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Speaker 3: all the smoke. Yeah, she basically and as you saw,

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Speaker 3: my Aunt Laurie agreed with her, like just leave her alone.

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Speaker 2: That's her house.

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Speaker 3: You know, she doesn't want to have a relationship with you.

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Speaker 3: You know, she doesn't have to. And the viewers one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent loved LORII. After that scene, they were like

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Speaker 3: they hated her, not hated.

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Speaker 2: But no, they were disappointed.

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Speaker 3: They were disappointed because it's like, how are you going

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Speaker 3: to tell this child that she cannot seek a relationship

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Speaker 3: and I've always felt that nobody was ever on my side.

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Speaker 3: No one ever fought.

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Speaker 2: From me to chut oh you know, Oprah like, no,

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Speaker 2: You're you're you're super smart history. It's not how it happened.

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Speaker 1: Wordsmith smart, a pageant girl, yes, read the Girls for films. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You you also, they can't take us. They can't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate, but I have seen a lot of

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Speaker 2: It is a reality.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of reality, you went from Miss Usa. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: More Vision Media produced it. Yes, you are. By the

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Lena, I learned the business

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Speaker 2: I was a performing arts major.

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Speaker 1: Oh Will Packer, you know I love you know I

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Speaker 2: You for being up behind every man.

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Speaker 1: Brother, I need to know why you ain't hiring Kenya

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Speaker 2: Did I say that allegedly?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Pick up your allegedly T shirts or Carlins kingshop

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Speaker 2: So we'll Packer, we need you to.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a meeting because this is you. Guys don't

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Speaker 2: So one of the things that I've always.

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Speaker 1: I said, I can call Bill Packer. I want a

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Speaker 1: Can we do it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we can do it. Do we want to use

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Speaker 2: And I think we will be safe. Can I tell

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Speaker 2: you my dream? No? No, my dream for you? I

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Speaker 1: I want you and I yes to create a show, yes,

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Speaker 1: a drama like Melrose Place, Oh yes.

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Speaker 2: And I want you.

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Speaker 1: To play the character like Heather Amanda, I want you

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to do that.

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Speaker 1: You are you would kill a dramatic role as a sexy,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love it, a black Melrose place. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: I can write it, yes, and I can.

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Speaker 1: Produce it, and we can both be the creators and

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Speaker 2: We'll talk later, you know. Tonight I'm gonna start writing it.

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Speaker 2: I am doing okay, yes, and we're going to copyright it.

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Speaker 1: So and I are going to co create a scripted

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Speaker 1: as like the sexy villain, like the heathern lock Layer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I've always called you the black head.

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Speaker 3: Lock And in that meeting at where were we mastros, yes,

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Speaker 2: I remember. That's how good my memory is now. I

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Speaker 3: You can't be the heather Locklier of reality TV.

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Speaker 2: You could be a one hit wonder and go away

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Speaker 1: Do yeah, no, no, remember, but you are the heather

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, thank you you.

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Speaker 1: something's off. I didn't understand what it was. I was

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00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: still a young producer. I felt something was off. I

442
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: left the show after season four. You came on season five.

443
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: I did not do season five. However, I was contacted

444
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: weekly by the producers and people in Atlanta. This is

445
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: a true story, and she knows this. And they all said,

446
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're missing. And I said, what

447
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: do you mean this? Kenya Moore is twirling her ass

448
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: all over the screen and she is causing a ruckus over.

449
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what are you talking about? They said, Carlos,

450
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like it. It's like a tsunami,

451
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Like she's going crazy. I want to talk to you

452
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: about this before we get to your introduction to that show. Yes,

453
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Speaker 1: here you are in Hollywood producing acting. I know the

454
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: story could be talked privately, but I love this story.

455
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: So much, and you never shared the publicly your.

456
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Decision into going into reality And if I may, the

457
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: one thing you said to me and I never share

458
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: this to you, it made me. It made me leave Housewives,

459
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: meaning it was part of my reasons of.

460
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: I know what you're gonna say.

461
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: You said, Carlos, it was like groundhog Day. I was

462
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over and over, pilot season.

463
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm in la I'm trying to finance this, produce that.

464
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: And you said I just needed something different. I needed

465
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: something different, And you drove to Atlanta and decided to

466
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: embark on reality television. Talk to the world about where

467
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: you were at that time of your life.

468
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: You know, I just felt like it was stagnant. My

469
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: life was stagnant. I was in my thirties, had multiple

470
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 3: back to back long term relationships. Of course mini proposals,

471
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 3: so now I had relationships like three years, four years,

472
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: almost got married. In one of those relationships celebrity men.

473
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: He was I would say he was a celebrity one.

474
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: The other one was an agent, non celebrity. And I

475
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: just became like a person who stayed at home so much.

476
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: I would work, work, work, kept my head down, booked,

477
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: a job here and there, kept the light built, you know,

478
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: paid and on my own home at twenty six years old,

479
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: had my own home in California. I just I just

480
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: felt like I was like you said Groundhog's Day, I'm

481
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: doing the same thing.

482
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: My life is not changing.

483
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Yes, it's okay, it's a decent life, but it's not changing.

484
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: And I wanted something different.

485
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: And there's a Bible saying leap and there will be

486
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: a net, yes, And that is how I felt. I

487
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: felt like I have family there. My aunt was there,

488
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: my cousin who I was very close to, and my

489
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: other cousin was there, and I had one of my

490
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: best friends was there from right and I said, you

491
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: know what I'm going to I'm going to take this

492
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: leap and wherever I fall is where I fall. And

493
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 3: as soon as the work got out that I was

494
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: moving to Atlanta, I was very good. Judy at my

495
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: Lawrence Laurence told the producers.

496
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: And then one of them was Joy.

497
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: And then the rest is history from there. And I

498
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: remember having a conversation with Joy and she was like,

499
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: this girl is either crazy or I was just talking

500
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: to her like yeah, because I'm you know, I was

501
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: just like very myself, like I didn't know what I

502
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: was doing. I did not know about reality TV. I

503
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: had only seen a few episodes of the show.

504
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: It was early on.

505
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: It was like and I remember when Lawrence told me

506
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: that they were even developing the show. I was like, Oh,

507
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: that's not gonna work. I remember telling him that because

508
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I just felt like he told

509
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: me who the cast. He was like, oh, they think

510
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: about doing in the show, and da da da, And

511
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's not gonna work. And I

512
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: just I remember telling him that before the show ever aired.

513
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: I didn't know. Yes, yes, So fast forward to the

514
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: show was airing. It did.

515
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: It was funny, you know. I saw a few episodes.

516
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: I remember not liking a.

517
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Few of the characters.

518
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Oh well, I did not like men. I did not

519
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 3: like Meani. I don't know why. I did not like her.

520
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: She was loud, she was brash.

521
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, you know, but yeah, and

522
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: I changed, you know, after I got on the show

523
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: and we we you know, my first season on the show,

524
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: I had Thanksgiving at her house.

525
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: Like I remember that.

526
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it changed, Yeah, because you got to you

527
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: have to get to know people versus what.

528
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: You see on TV.

529
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's the whole reason why I appreciated

530
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: the top of our conversation because it's allowing people to

531
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: see the real you because they only see a chop

532
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: down version of.

533
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: It and what the editors choose.

534
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: To show.

535
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Allegedly as we're seeing this season allegedly hey flashbacks. So anyways, Okay,

536
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: when you were starting out not auditioning, so I want

537
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: to explain to people how it works. It worked back

538
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: then then because anybody could get No Housewives is no longer.

539
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: At one point in time, the Real Housewives of Atlanta

540
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: was a so Whole House membership.

541
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it was it. You better say that again.

542
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: Some people don't know who SOHO housees, so maybe explain.

543
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so SOHO House is a all.

544
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: It is an exclusive club.

545
00:30:52,600 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: It's a top tier restaurant, lounge, celebrity grim and there's

546
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: one of us Hollywood, Miami.

547
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: Now before it was just LA.

548
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just LA, but now they have LA

549
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: New York, Miami, London, London and all of the world now.

550
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: But you got to pay like five thousand dollars a

551
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: year to be a part of the membership.

552
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: And be referred. You all pay your money and get in.

553
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: You have to be referred.

554
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: You have to be referred by two referrals. Yes that

555
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: are already they're already members, so they don't let anybody in.

556
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: No, they do not. You got to be and you

557
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: have to submit a hit shot. Yes you do. I remember,

558
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: I am a member. Catch me if you can.

559
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: At one point in time, The Real Housewives of Atlanta

560
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: was like a house membership. Now it's like a playground

561
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: to where it's free to the public and you don't

562
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: have to do anything to get in but arrive.

563
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: With your huler and.

564
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: Your rehearse reads and being prepped and having a battery

565
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: in your back with double A batteries and a charging station.

566
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: That was meant for Tesla, but it's really for these

567
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: new girls to wind them up like a rag doll.

568
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I forgot my a lot of questionings.

569
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I went from another stratosphere. AnyWho, I'm back there at

570
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: the time when it was a privileged to be on

571
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Speaker 1: the show, when it was the show to be on

572
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: the show, to be on the men and girls audition,

573
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: men and girls were told bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Yes who.

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00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280
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Speaker 1: the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into

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Speaker 1: the show. You filmed for over a month, oh over

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Speaker 1: a month, yeah, without being an official housewife.

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Speaker 3: Right and without pay. They didn't pay you, they didn't

601
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: pay me. That was the reason, you know. Eventually I

602
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,719
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603
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: it by now, you're never gonna know it. And so

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Speaker 3: I'm gone. So thank you, thank you very much. I

605
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: know how to walk away. That's the one thing about me.

606
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 3: I don't do things just for money.

607
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: You know that. The history of me being on this show.

608
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: Tells you that if I'm not happy, if I don't

609
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: like the way things are going, I'll just say it's

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: not working it out.

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for your time. Yeah. So yes.

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00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: Back then, anyone who was auditioning or wanting to be

613
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: a part of the cast went through this rigorous filming.

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00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: They would film you alone, they would film you with

615
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: your man, they would film you with your children, they

616
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: would film you out and about and maybe, if you

617
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: kept making the cut, you would film with a housewife,

618
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: or if you if you didn't know a housewife already,

619
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: I knew Lawrence, so I would film with Lawrence.

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: That was my you know, Andrea or what not.

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Speaker 1: Andrea, he was your he was your introduction into the

622
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: He was my introduction.

623
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: Yes, so Lawrence was my introduction to the cast. And

624
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: so from there, you know, in a scene, he might say,

625
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, if it's going well, oh, you know Phaedris

626
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: having a get together tomorrow, do you want to come? Oh? Well,

627
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 3: I don't know who Phaedre is, you know, in real life.

628
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, sure, I don't know what to expect.

629
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: I don't know these people, you know. So that's how

630
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: it worked. And the great thing about that casting process

631
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: is that you had to earn your right to be

632
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: a housewife of Atlanta. You had to earn it. It

633
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh this girl looks good. Oh she looks

634
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: good on paper, let's make her housewife. Girls are getting

635
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: their contracts before they even meet us, and so then

636
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: it blows up when they do meet us and they

637
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: can't keep up and they're not a good fit. We've

638
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: seen it season after season. It doesn't work. You need

639
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: to be tried and tested, that is it. You need

640
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: to have all these girls our can't do you remember

641
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: the Nini had an event, the success even whatever, and

642
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: all the potential housewives are there. I mean, you had

643
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: Jerry Stackhouse's wife, you had all these you know, prominent

644
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: beautiful women of Atlanta.

645
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: I mean they were not only beautiful, but they were were.

646
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: Rich and you know, they were successful, they had husbands.

647
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: They were the quintessential what you would think is a

648
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: housewife of.

649
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: Atlanta and the christ.

650
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: And for my audience, this is season five, it's become

651
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: a meme. Is when Niinie walks out like this, it's

652
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: a meme.

653
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: Now, it's a mean now and keing here.

654
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Moore takes a microphone and said, okay, now that we're

655
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: doumble the clown show.

656
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: So so for my audience is that scene that.

657
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Speaker 3: Was a reference because I was like, I was amongst

658
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of clowns like they.

659
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Were, and I'm not I'm not calling.

660
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: The girls at now. For me, it was like, why

661
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: am I here? I'm freaking miss Usa? Why am I

662
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 3: being auditioned? I don't audition Honey's offer only, I don't.

663
00:37:53,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: Am I being an audition Really? I was so infected.

664
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I at that scene, you still did not have the

665
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: I did not have a contract.

666
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: I did not have a contract. And I remember that's

667
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: also the time where Cynthia and I got into it

668
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: because I was like, Cynthia, I didn't understand.

669
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the show.

670
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: So when I saw the way Cynthia was just so

671
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: protective of her friendship with Ninny, I was like, this

672
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: is weird, you know, this is this is very weird,

673
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: you know, And so I didn't have a point of

674
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: reference like that. I think the problem is the girls

675
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: that are being cast now they're fans, and that's a

676
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: big problem because I wasn't a fan. I was a

677
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: fan of Lawrence, Miss Lawrence. I was a fan of Atlanta.

678
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: But I didn't know these girls. I didn't watch them religiously.

679
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: I didn't get in front of my TV and was like, yeah,

680
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: you girl, you bet a twirl.

681
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't do that.

682
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: So my interaction with them was was genuine and it

683
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: was authentic, and whatever I saw I called out because

684
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: that's just my personality. I was like, okay, I wasn't

685
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: gonna sit there like a wallflower. I was like, well,

686
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand you. Why is this girl that just

687
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: so beautiful, like holding on you know, like dear life

688
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: to Nini and I just didn't understand it, and so

689
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: we talked.

690
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: About it on camera, you know, you being filmed.

691
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: So that's what ended up having Like that's how those

692
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: relationships were born, you know.

693
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: And what was born was a star in terms of

694
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: this woman is meant to be in reality television. And

695
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: then another star was born by the names of Portia

696
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: Stewart at the time Stuart and what I.

697
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: Heard and I want to I never asked you this.

698
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: I was told.

699
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: When you guys were filming season five. The current Peach

700
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,640
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701
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,560
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702
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703
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Speaker 1: t shirts.

704
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 2: We have it all.

705
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706
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707
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708
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Speaker 2: Now get into this.

709
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710
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: channel and hit what yes, the notification button so.

711
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: You don't miss an episode. See y'all.

712
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: They went on striking against Kim. They did not like

713
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: that Kim. Now, remember Portia wasn't cast. I was cast, right,

714
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: They weren't looking for anybody else. They the casting was closed. What, Yes,

715
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: I didn't know this. Yes, the casting was closed when Kim.

716
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: When they because I remember sitting at the lunch and

717
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: I believe this lunch was televised.

718
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: It was yeah and the camera. Yes, No, she wasn't there.

719
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: They cast Porsche after Kim walked off, because then it

720
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: was like they didn't know what was going to be

721
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: happening with Kim, and so Portia was the replacement housewife.

722
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Not no shade to Porsche. No, no, I'm just saying,

723
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: how was that?

724
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: But yet no, yes, because they remember the number of

725
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: housewives they had.

726
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: I think at the time it was six. Six.

727
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: They didn't need seven. They never have been seven of Atlanta,

728
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: not not from my memory, it's never been seven. Even

729
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: to this day, I don't think they've ever had seven.

730
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: So when she walked off, that opened up the casting

731
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: again and said, okay, we have this other girl, let's

732
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: look some more. And then Porsche came and I don't

733
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: know who else, but yeah, that's that's how that happened.

734
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: So the Housewives went on strike.

735
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they banned they which was a great thing because

736
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: they came together, which I admired. They did not like

737
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: the way that Kim was receiving preferental treatment, and they

738
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: band together and it was like, we're not gonna work

739
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: this week. So they were like, Okay, well what are

740
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: we gonna do. Production is down for a week. Let's

741
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: get this other girl audition her because now we don't

742
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: know what's happening. Kim's walked off. Let's look at what

743
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: else we can film. And so that's when they called

744
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: me to come in to go to Porsche's event. And

745
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: Porsche was very interesting and actually we had before the event,

746
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: we had a lunch. We had a lunch together. I

747
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 3: remember that we had a lunch and she was really sweet,

748
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: and you know me, I'm always sizing people up, so

749
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm like listening to her little things she would say,

750
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, okay, okay. We had it

751
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: was a fine lunch, Like it was nothing wrong with

752
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: the lunch. Then when I get to the event and

753
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: it was just little things that I was seeing, Like

754
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 3: it was an event for charity for her grandfather. So

755
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: she received a Chanel bag, you know, in front of

756
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: all these people, and I was like why, Like it

757
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: was just my natural thought, like is it like is

758
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: this the right time to like give your wife a

759
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: chanelle back? Like it was just very odd to me.

760
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: So it was just little things I would see. But

761
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: if people think it was they have a different take. Again,

762
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: they always look at my response, but they don't look

763
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: at what was done to me.

764
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: So the thing with.

765
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: Portia is Okay, yeah, sure, she screwed up my title.

766
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: Plenty of people do it. I think there's this you know,

767
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: a lot of people think they're one of the same.

768
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: They're both prestigious titles, Miss America, miss USA, They're the same.

769
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: It was her reaction, like it was like ah haha,

770
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: you know, like whatever, girl, you know whatever, Like, no,

771
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: it's not whatever, it's miss USA. Like I'm telling you

772
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: that you got it wrong. Don't go oh whatever, ha

773
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 3: ha ha ha. No, say I'm so sorry for that,

774
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, it don't embarrass me. So it was that

775
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: I remember going out getting some air. So this is

776
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: when I think they kind of took her aside. Like

777
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: she came out, she was polite at first, she came back,

778
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: and then that's when the insults started to fly, like

779
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: she was like, you know you're leaving when you could

780
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: just go you can just go.

781
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: To the curb. I remember this almost like you can

782
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: go to the.

783
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: Curb where you belong or something. And I was like, well,

784
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: now it's termed. See I didn't insult you. I walked away.

785
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: I did not say anything to you. I did not

786
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: insult you. My one of my triggers is when people

787
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: insult me, and especially when it's uncalled for. I don't

788
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: think people know that about me. I don't like to

789
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: be insulted because I'm gonna play nice with you, but

790
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going to hit you first. When you hit

791
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: me is when I have to return with something much strong.

792
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: So and I didn't think people know that. They know

793
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: that now, Yes, she hit me.

794
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: With these insults like wait, wait, wait, I'm on a curb,

795
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: like wait, why do you.

796
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: Have to insult me? Girl?

797
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: You just insulted me there. I didn't say anything to you.

798
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Now we are out on the curb and now you're

799
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're just like all of a sudden,

800
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: you're a different person and you're like doing the most.

801
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: So that's how that started. People didn't see it that way.

802
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: They looked at this young cute girl.

803
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: Oh so a loof.

804
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: It's okay, she's not that now, but she was then.

805
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: And I was like, you gotta be kidding me, because

806
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: one thing I admire most about people is intelligence. I

807
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: think people know that. You know, I like a smart

808
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: pretty girl. You know I live for you know I

809
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: live for a smart pretty girl.

810
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: You know I keep you a smart pretty girl. So

811
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm like, no, I'm not.

812
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: I'm not jealous. I'm not because I keep a dollar

813
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: worth of dines around.

814
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: You know that. You know that.

815
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: So please don't come over here talking about some beauty

816
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: because I have seen beauty in my life. You know,

817
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: Tracy ed mss Tyra was my best friend. It's one

818
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: of my best friends even to this day. So please

819
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: don't act like I'm jealous of this.

820
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: You know I'm not. Let's just be clear.

821
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: I can appreciate beauty at its finest. So yeah, so

822
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: that South, that South all that started we were born

823
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: because they went on strike.

824
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: That is so amazing to me because it also showed

825
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: that me as a vor watching season five, so I

826
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: produced the first four seasons I left, I'm watching it

827
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: at home and I'm fascinated by the two of the dynamics.

828
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the dynamic.

829
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: And it was the first time like I wasn't a

830
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: house don't. I wasn't a housewife. I wasn't a housewife.

831
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: Then it was two non housewives shooting a scene at

832
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: the time, which is unheard of, unheard of. They didn't

833
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: have a choice, they had nothing. They were going to

834
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: waste the whole production week or they were gonna shoot something.

835
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: When were you officially made a housewife?

836
00:46:52,120 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: I think it whoa. I think it was after it

837
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: was after the means event. It was after means no,

838
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: after the success a success event, because I remember I

839
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: was done, Yeah I was. I remember saying I was done.

840
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 3: I was like, if you don't know it now, I'm

841
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 3: not going to be working for free.

842
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: I've shown you enough.

843
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: If you don't think that I'm that girl, then someone

844
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: else will. Thanks, but no hard feelings. And then they

845
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: begged me just one more scene, just one more scene.

846
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: And I remember saying, if I shoot this scene and

847
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: you don't make me a housewife, you cannot use me

848
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: for anything else. You cannot go you cannot use any

849
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 3: of my footage and they agreed to it, and they

850
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: made me a housewife after.

851
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: You earned it.

852
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told him. I was like, if you don't,

853
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: then you can't use me at all.

854
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: What people don't realize is this when season five aired,

855
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: obviously you're seeing what other people are saying about you,

856
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: and there first time, yes, being accused of being an alcoholic.

857
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god, someone who's never been drunk a day

858
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 3: in their life. God on a hand on a bible.

859
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: I have never been drunk a day in my life.

860
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: I've been I have been tipsy, I've been feeling good

861
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: from alcohol. I have never ever in my life drunk

862
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 3: this day. I've never been drunk a day in my life.

863
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: And you have people accusing me, and you know that's

864
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: the trigger because guess what who accused me of that?

865
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: And I had never even tasted alcohol before My mother

866
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: Sorry I told you earlier. She told those people that

867
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: I was an alcoholic. I don't even like liquor like that.

868
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, anybody who's ever gone out

869
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: with me, If.

870
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: I get two drinks, that's rare.

871
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is rare. In your life, You're not to

872
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: get a little tipsy. But when you and your tips and

873
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: is fun and it's.

874
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: We a fun girl when I drink. But I've never

875
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: been drunk, so that hurts you.

876
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: It hurts wh was calling you an alcoholic? It reminded

877
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: you of your mother?

878
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: And what else did she say?

879
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: I confided in her about my mom, about my mom,

880
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: thinking that she had a mental illness because of the

881
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: way that she treated me. And Phaedra used that when

882
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: we fell out. She used the two things that were

883
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: my ultimate triggers, saying that I had some kind of

884
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: illness because of my mom and saying that I had

885
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 3: and I was an alcoholic. And that all leads back

886
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: to my mother in her treatment of me and the

887
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 3: things that she did to try to destroy me. And

888
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: that is why I have the opinion that I have

889
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 3: a phator now, amongst other things.

890
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Look into that. Yeah.

891
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: Second, Yeah, you were not in a good space when

892
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: season five was airing. No, is it true that you

893
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: had to speak to a therapist. I did when season

894
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: five was airing.

895
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: When it was airing, and I saw all of the

896
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: things that were a stretch that they were making, it

897
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: seem like I was the one thing that crushed my soul.

898
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: Is when I was watching the Cynthia Bailey Fashion Show

899
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: and there that was fine when they tried to when

900
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: it appeared let me, let me, let me be diplomatic.

901
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: When it appeared that I was.

902
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: Being mean or saying unflattering things about another black young

903
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: girl that destroyed me. That is not who I am.

904
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: That is not who I will ever be. I have

905
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: the weakest like I am. I am a fool for

906
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: a young black girl in need. I have always. I

907
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 3: have so many people that I mentor. I literally take

908
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: on so many women and cases and just girls who

909
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: remind me of myself and who remind me of that

910
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: little black girl from the ghetto, just just dealing with

911
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: life and dealing with not having a family and not

912
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: and wanting a relationship with my mother and just trying

913
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: to just get home at night without being robbed or

914
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 3: raped or killed, and just wanting something more for your life.

915
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 3: And when I saw that, when I tell you I

916
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: I didn't answer my phone for a week.

917
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: I can't confirm that because our friend Joy again I

918
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: didn't work season five.

919
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was told she had to had a mental breakdown.

920
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: Joy had to drive to your home yep and sit

921
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: with you for hours yep, and said I'm just here

922
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: to talk to you.

923
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: Yep. Like that's how severe it was for.

924
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: You, because here you are entering into the space of

925
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: reality and like, okay.

926
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: I can but tell the story of the way.

927
00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that really made you second guests come back

928
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: to the show.

929
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, it was like, if this can happen, you know,

930
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: the fun, the fun stuff, I can deal with that

931
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: Ninny pulling up when and saying that, I was literally,

932
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm in a four star hotel with a two B

933
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 3: and her pulling up in the honk and the horse

934
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: and the stuff like that, like oh.

935
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: Guy, and the ambulance in the background and the police sirens.

936
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, y'all tried it. You're like funny,

937
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: it's like stupid whatever, stupid. I'm like, I'll take that,

938
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: l you know what I mean. Meanwhile, I'm across the

939
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: street from the Fox Theater in bedroom for our star hotel.

940
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: It's it's fine, okay.

941
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: Like even just showing my little office papers, my little

942
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 3: makeshift office, like it was like like, like, really.

943
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: It's my office, like you was thinking.

944
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: It was roaches and rats running around the soap for

945
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: the way they met.

946
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: I love the stuff. You're like now that was good.

947
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: Like that was so long that way, it's hilarious to me.

948
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 3: The whole thing was the landlord who tried to put

949
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 3: out the house. You cannot buy that kind of TV.

950
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: It was you cannot plan it, sus you cannot buy it.

951
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: You cannot make it up. It was reality. That woman

952
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: was just as crazy as she appeared. The fact that

953
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: that shady ass nine one one call, and I was

954
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: there for that.

955
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: And so going back a bit.

956
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: So I'm asked to come back in and executive produced

957
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: season six.

958
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and again I'm watching the show like this.

959
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 1: Kenya my Detroit says, because again, let me tell you something.

960
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: My father, my brothers, every black man in America had

961
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Kenya Moore as their wallpaper on their computer art, on

962
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: the Smooth magazine calendar, like a national treasure, honestly. And

963
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: I said, I can't wait to have fun with Kenya.

964
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: And then I was told she's not coming back.

965
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: And I said, excuse what, No, ken Ya, what are

966
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: you guys talking about. We already talked.

967
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: About Porsche being on the chopping blocking, but with you,

968
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: I have to fly to Los Angeles.

969
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: He did.

970
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: I had the company credit card, me and my producer

971
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: Brent to love who you love, who you love? It

972
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: was you and Brandon, your bestie, took you out to

973
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: dinner and I'm begging you and you're, of course expressed

974
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: your grievances. And I remember saying this to you. I'm

975
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: back and I'm going to hold your hand. But I

976
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: can't do this season about you because you twirled into

977
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: our live season five. And would you admit, though humility

978
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: is good, that you and Porsche resurrected the show?

979
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely.

980
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 3: The executive producer told me that, but he said it

981
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: was in a bad place and we revived the show,

982
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 3: and you know, it was magic. Portion and I together

983
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: we made magical TV for sure. For all these years,

984
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, for all not just season five, for all

985
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: those years. You know, it was just so interesting to

986
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: see the relationship go up and down, sideways wherever it

987
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: was going to go, and it made for very compelling TV.

988
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: When you think about your time on the show and

989
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: getting to all the altercations, the arguments of fights, who

990
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: would you give the number one slot to or position to?

991
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: In terms of this was my biggest challenger, Like when

992
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: she and I went toe to toe.

993
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: It was good and it was interesting and I'm even

994
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: entertained by it. I mean, come on, that's easy. That's

995
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: Nini Niani.

996
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, Nini is that girl who could

997
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 3: you just never knew where she was gonna come from

998
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: half the time, Like is it gonna be friend.

999
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: Nini or enemy Nini?

1000
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 3: I mean we became frenemies, but when we made Magical

1001
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: TV when we were friends, and we made magic on

1002
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: TV when we were enemies, and she could give as

1003
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: good as she got, and I mean she was the

1004
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: ying to my yang. She was feisty, funny, effed up

1005
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: at times, crazy at times, a real friend at times

1006
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: like she was all of those things, but she could read.

1007
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: She was funny, and I enjoy working with her.

1008
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: Do you miss her being on the show. Yeah?

1009
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm being honest, yeah, she She's a force

1010
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: all her own.

1011
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: You can't take that away from her. That's one thing

1012
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: about me.

1013
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: I am never going to not give you your flowers,

1014
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 3: and I'm never going to discount what you contributed to any.

1015
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: Space that you're in.

1016
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: She was a major for worse multipliers you like to say,

1017
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: of that of real housewives, and you can't you can't

1018
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: ever erase that from her, Do you agree.

1019
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: With her when she says she built the house.

1020
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: She built the house, but it got four closed on.

1021
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, well wails who took the deed?

1022
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you have to figure that out, honey. Oh God.

1023
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: But the thing you will, the beauty of it is this.

1024
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: I remember season six and again, Season five was tough

1025
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: for you.

1026
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: You were on your own battling all of these girls.

1027
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that reunion. It was me against everybody,

1028
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: like Detroit versus everything. Yes, that's why I love that

1029
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: Detroit versus everyone's us. It's us deplait versus everybody. That's

1030
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 3: how I felt, and I slayed them all one by one. Okay,

1031
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: season five reunion, everybody came for me and their husbands,

1032
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: and I still held my own. So please give me

1033
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: my flowers.

1034
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: I'll just go there now. I don't think you get

1035
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: the flowers you deserve. I think you are the most

1036
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: unappreciated housewife. I think when it comes to you, you

1037
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: don't get the treatment you deserve. It makes my stomach

1038
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: turn every time I watch a reunion and you're not

1039
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: in the first seat. Yeah, it makes my stomach turn.

1040
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: Yours and mine? Boss?

1041
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Well, let's talk about conversation with them before.

1042
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: I had this conversation with them.

1043
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: Before because I was bringing up I just remember this

1044
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: the seating or whatever. I don't remember it was that

1045
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: year that people couldn't understand the seating. I think it

1046
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 3: was last year, and it was like, you would never

1047
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: move me NC even and don't tell me it's about story.

1048
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: It's not because because at the end it's not. It's not.

1049
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: It's not about story. Okay, it's about who are the

1050
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 3: leads of the show. Okay, that's why Giselle and I

1051
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: love Giselle.

1052
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: I love Gazelle. Gazelle is a star of Potomac, but

1053
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: face a Potomac.

1054
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: Well, now, Karen, they put her in the middle, but

1055
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: I didn't like that.

1056
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. And I love Karen. I love

1057
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Karen too, But Gizelle is that girl.

1058
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: Gazelle is the face and the star Potomac. I love Karen, Wendy,

1059
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: I love I love them all. Yes, but Gazelle is

1060
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: that girl.

1061
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: And I have I remember calling I will call because

1062
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: it's the same production company. I remember calling an executive

1063
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: and saying, why isn't Gazelle in the middle.

1064
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, I don't understand what their what is it their whine? Champagne, Champagne.

1065
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: Why isn't she in the middle, Like this is ridiculous,

1066
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: you know, And then when it can when it comes

1067
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: to reunion ceding, it is a lot of people think

1068
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: it's about story.

1069
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: It's jobby about story.

1070
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: I don't care how at the end, Nini did not

1071
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: have story.

1072
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: For three seasons. You ain't see her family man half

1073
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: the time, you ain't seen nothing.

1074
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: But Nina would come and show you her shoes. She

1075
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: would come and model her shoes and sit in the

1076
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: corner and be mad at everybody, and they would never

1077
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: move Ninie Seed.

1078
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a fact.

1079
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: And I so disrespected, knowing what I have put into

1080
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: this franchise, what I have sacrificed, what I have been

1081
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: on this show, you should never move my seat.

1082
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: Never Canny can sit on the end. She don't care.

1083
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: Her paychecks is not gonna change what.

1084
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: What what I can confirm is it's not about story.

1085
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: It's not about story.

1086
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: It's about and listen, it is what it is. The

1087
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: first seat is about who's the star of the season,

1088
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: the star of the show, who's the.

1089
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: Face of the show.

1090
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Speaker 1: It's the reason why Giselle, Teresa Judaiz, Kyle Richards, Mini Leaks,

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Kim Zosiac yep Okay, Bethany Frankel.

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Let's have a conversation about it.

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01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: Always had the most story, never never. I feel like

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 3: I'm a kind of Kyle, like Kyle in some way,

1095
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: like Kyle, I've always had great story. This year not

1096
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: so much, you know, not so much. But at the

1097
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: same time, Ninia's had seasons where she was not, like

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01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: I said, she was not giving you great story. But

1099
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: that does not mean that she was not still the.

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: Star of that show.

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: And I really just that I really took umbrage to

1102
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 3: that and still do because I think it's a mistake.

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: I think it's a mistake. Do you think it's a

1104
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: message to you.

1105
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: If that's the case, then every season they do that,

1106
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: it is a message to me. I mean the message

1107
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: is maybe, you know, like you said, I don't feel

1108
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: that my time on this show has been as valued

1109
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 3: as it should have been, as it should be where

1110
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: my spinoffs. When I was at the height height of

1111
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: my time on this show, and I wanted a spin

1112
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: off with my child having a baby, and I.

1113
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: Was denied that, and you.

1114
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: Know why that should have never happened because the show

1115
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: should come first. The show should always come first, and

1116
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: I cannot say that the show is coming first.

1117
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: Now, were you punished because you got married to Mark

1118
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: Daily off camera?

1119
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: Of course? Is that a secret? I mean, is that

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Speaker 2: a secret?

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Speaker 3: Of course you like that, And listen, I understand both sides.

1122
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: I'm a smart girl. I understand both sides. We have

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: invested all this time in you. Your storyline from the

1124
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: beginning is that you wanted to be married and you

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01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: wanted to have a baby. But when I tell you

1126
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: on my side, well, I can't have a husband by

1127
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: bringing him on the show, because we all see how

1128
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 3: that turns out season after season. If I bring a

1129
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: man on the show, it's like the kiss of death.

1130
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: It's not going to work for whatever reason. And now

1131
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 3: you're seeing that every marriage, marriages are failing, marriages are failing.

1132
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get married, and if I have all

1133
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: of these distractions, all of these girls, and all of

1134
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: these things being said, and people, you know, constantly putting

1135
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: all this negative attention, people going in.

1136
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: I remember I bought one guy.

1137
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: On the show once before it was he was just

1138
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: in the trailer before he even appeared on the show,

1139
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: They had mugshots of him, they had all kinds of

1140
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: stories coming out on him.

1141
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 4: And it's like, for what, you're killing me, You're and

1142
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 4: this is not the thought of Bravo, this is the

1143
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 4: thought of all.

1144
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 3: Of the people invested in our show. And it's unfair

1145
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: to dig up dirt on someone that you don't even

1146
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: know yet. And what was the point of it. What

1147
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: is the end result of that? What is the end

1148
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: game for you to fuck with my life? Because obviously

1149
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 3: this man is going to look at me like, well,

1150
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 3: you're causing me. You're having my clients calling me that

1151
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: didn't even know I had been arrested, and they don't

1152
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 3: even know what this was about. This was about a

1153
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 3: man doing X Y and say to me, not what

1154
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: they're portraying it to be. So it's a costly thing

1155
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: for me, and I waited what I needed first, and

1156
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 3: I needed to have a family before I needed a show.

1157
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 3: Which is why I can always walk away because I

1158
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: always prioritize what is going to make me the happiest.

1159
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: And at that point in time, I met someone that

1160
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 3: I thought, this is the one. Now if I make

1161
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: the choice to make it public and bring him on

1162
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: the show. He could go away, but right now it's good.

1163
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,479
Speaker 3: And as soon as I exposed him on the show,

1164
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: what happened divorce papers ensued. Rightfully so, but there is

1165
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: a rhythm to it. But I understood their point of view,

1166
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: which was, we invested in you. This is what your

1167
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: storyline has been for since season your first season, season five,

1168
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: and then you go off and get married and we

1169
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: don't even have it. And to add insult to injury,

1170
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: he didn't want to appear on camera, and now he

1171
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 3: does because he's allegedly shooting in his own reality show.

1172
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to give it to that too, because

1173
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: he did not want to film on the show, and

1174
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: the producer we keep talking about, she had to call

1175
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: him constantly to do it. Yeah, before we get into

1176
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: that though, again, you and I are friends in real life,

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01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: real life. You were so protective about this relationship. You

1178
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: didn't tell me about it, our our girl joy you

1179
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: really I knew you were dating, So I want to

1180
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: be clear. You told me you were dating. I didn't

1181
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: know you got married either until after you did it,

1182
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: and you told me, can you talk?

1183
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you said, I'm marry bitch. I said, bitch,

1184
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: who that God was telling me about from New York?

1185
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: I said, why you? And I said, this is a

1186
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: true conversation. Does the network?

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: No? No, bitch, I said, well, ain't saying shit like

1188
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say a word. I remember, though, seeing

1189
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: the wedding photo and you two had a fist bump.

1190
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: And I never said this to you, but I remember

1192
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: seeing it and I felt something was off because and

1193
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: unless there was just certain photos that weren't released.

1194
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were unauthorized photos.

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh, because for me it was my photo.

1196
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: God, I eventually posted that photo on my on my Instagram,

1197
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: see that.

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: That was the only one.

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: And I felt in that moment, this doesn't feel emotional

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: or romantic really, yeah.

1201
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: Because for me it was a wedding photo.

1202
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: You guys should be kissing, and well I had those

1203
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying.

1204
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: So I thought it was the opposite.

1205
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 3: I thought it showed that we had a great, fun,

1206
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: friendly relationship. It wasn't just about a sexual attraction or

1207
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: oh I got to marry you so fast because I'm

1208
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 3: just so hot for you.

1209
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was rooted in a friendship.

1210
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: So because a lot of people did assume and let's

1211
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: talk about it. Yeah, did you Russia get married because

1212
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: of where you were in your life at the time,

1213
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: wanting to have a child? You met this he's listen,

1214
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: the spy was going on right now.

1215
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: The man is fine. Yeah, he's fine. Marcus stunning. He's

1216
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: a good looking guy.

1217
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: He will probably if he was on more than one season,

1218
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: he would have been one of the hottest house husband. Sorry,

1219
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: Mauricio and happy Eddie and while.

1220
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: Dixon you get uh, I mean, I know, Marcus, Marcus gorgeous.

1221
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: Was the pressures of.

1222
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: You being on the show having to go on couples

1223
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: trips as a single woman? Oh you think that rushed

1224
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: me to the aug No, no, no, no, I want to

1225
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: talk about the psychology of things because what I like

1226
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: to do is go further. The thing is this, I

1227
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: don't know what it's like to be invited on a

1228
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: couple's trip as a single female, and when you're getting

1229
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: into with these girls rightfully so their husbands have their back.

1230
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I've encounter in the last few seasons here on

1231
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:57,919
Speaker 3: Real Housewives.

1232
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you're sort of like alone and it

1233
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: must do something to you. So the one thing I've

1234
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you, was yes, you wanted that

1235
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: in your personal life?

1236
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: Was it also.

1237
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: Something like, hmm, I also just want somebody on this

1238
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 1: show that I can be protected by.

1239
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: You know, I am so No. It had nothing to

1240
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: do with the show.

1241
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 3: And honestly, we connected right away. I remember, and I

1242
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: don't know if a lot of people know this story,

1243
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: but I met him months before dating him. I was

1244
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 3: fresh out of the relationship with Crazy I call him

1245
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: Crazy Eyes, and I was like, I don't need to

1246
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 3: date anybody because it's like and that was pressure.

1247
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 2: That was pressure dating Crazy Eyes. Crazy Eyes was pressure.

1248
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 3: Yes. So when it came to Mark, I met him

1249
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: right after I seeing Crazy Eyes, and I thought, I

1250
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 3: was like, wow, this is a good looking guy. I

1251
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: was in New York. I was at a restaurant and

1252
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: I met him, and I thought, wow, that's a good

1253
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 3: looking guy, like you know, and he was, you know,

1254
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: he looked kind of like a little nerdy because he

1255
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: had his little book bag and backpack or whatever you

1256
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: want to call and he was doing paperwork in the

1257
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 3: restaurant because he owned the restaurant, and he was just

1258
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: there doing paperwork at one of the stations. And so

1259
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 3: later I was like, I really would like to connect

1260
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: with him, but I'm not ready. I need to just

1261
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 3: take some time for myself, figure out how I got

1262
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: myself in this situation with this other fool, and I

1263
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 3: need to.

1264
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 2: Just be ready. And I prayed.

1265
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: I prayed so much, like work on me, fix whatever

1266
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: is broken, so that when I do meet someone, I

1267
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 3: am ready to receive them. And that's what I did.

1268
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 3: I just worked on myself. I read I, you know,

1269
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: I was going through counseling all of those things, and

1270
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: I remember it was it was not I think it

1271
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: was Thanksgiving Ish maybe three months later, and I called

1272
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 3: up Chef Roblay and I said, you remember the guy

1273
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: you know that you introduced me to And he said, yeah,

1274
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 3: is he single? And he was like, let me check,

1275
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: you know, and then it was just history from there.

1276
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: So he was very I made the first move, and

1277
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: I remember us having We didn't talk right away. When

1278
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 3: we did talk, we were on the phone for two

1279
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 3: hours at a time. Every time we would speak, we

1280
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 3: would be on the phone for hours at a time.

1281
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: Is he trying to take your money?

1282
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 3: He wants me to pay his bills and some payment

1283
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: that no one understands.

1284
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 2: What the payment is for.

1285
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 3: But that's not holding up the divorce because I would

1286
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 3: pay him whatever to go away. It is he is

1287
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 3: trying to undo my rights to Brooklyn when it comes

1288
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 3: to TV appearances, because he's now doing a reality show.

1289
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: Is it a pilot because you know you're I believe

1290
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 2: it's a show, because is it straight to series?

1291
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: That I don't know. He won't tell me about it,

1292
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 3: he won't discuss it. I do know that they've been traveling.

1293
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 3: I do know. So if you just have a pilot money,

1294
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,480
Speaker 3: you usually don't travel people and shoot in multiple locations.

1295
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 3: So I do believe that it's an actual series.

1296
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: And he was upset when he saw Marlowe kick the

1297
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: door while Brooklyn was in your hotel room.

1298
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 3: Well, he was allegedly upset because this is a man

1299
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 3: that hasn't seen his daughter for a total of two

1300
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 3: days and two years.

1301
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: But so what he's.

1302
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 3: Trying to do is trump up charges so he can

1303
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 3: have me sign off on her appearing in his show.

1304
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: And that is what held up the divorce because if

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Speaker 3: it was the other things, I'd sign off. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you want this money here, I'll make it.

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Speaker 2: I'll make more. It's not that he was trying.

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Speaker 3: To take away my right to Brooklyn when it comes

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Speaker 3: to TV appearances because he wants her toppear on his show.

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Speaker 2: Did the show ruin your marriage?

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Speaker 3: No, Mark ruined our marriage. Mark ruined our marriage. I'm

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Speaker 3: a good wife and I will be a great wife

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: to the next man. So it was a real genuine

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 3: connection that we had. We both wanted the same thing

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Speaker 3: at the same time. Which is also again the crazy

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 3: thing about you know, from the rumors with Walter that

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,879
Speaker 3: escalated to things being fake all started by Miss Parks,

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Speaker 3: of course.

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 2: Where Walter were in a real relationship.

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Speaker 3: Kenny told you that, yeah, but they chose to believe him, saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, I asked him, but he had been to

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Speaker 3: my house. Walter had come all the way from Atlanta

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Speaker 3: and stayed in my home because we were dating at

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Speaker 3: the time. And then I remember Kenny saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know that they're saying this stuff, but his best

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Speaker 3: friend is also one of my best friends, and he

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: said they were date. But that's not what they wanted

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Speaker 3: to hear. They wanted to go with this spose narrative that.

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Speaker 2: It was fake.

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Speaker 3: Then for them to keep perpetuating this notion that I

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Speaker 3: paid for men and all that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, really, girl, people, what does it cover? A

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: lot of people really believe that I got some tea.

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Speaker 2: I got some tea for you.

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Speaker 3: Nini is the one who called me and said that

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Speaker 3: Walter was going on the radio and he had been

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Speaker 3: retained Phaedra had been retained by him. Nini is your

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: girl who called me up and gave me the heads up. Okay,

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01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 3: so wait, Phaedra was in cahoots with Walter and Phaedra

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Speaker 3: is the one who Nini told me that Walter asked

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Speaker 3: Phaedra to be his attorney. And that is when he

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01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: then went on the radio and said that crazy stuff,

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Speaker 3: which you never said.

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Speaker 2: I paid him.

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: By the way, he said, I asked him to.

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Speaker 2: Be on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, can you come on the show, because if you do,

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Speaker 1: you got to sign a release. You gotta film at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock on Tuesday. He's supposed to ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: That turned into somehow us spaking it when clearly Candy

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 3: already said that he had told people we were dating,

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 3: and he's it's obvious evidence that he had been.

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Speaker 2: At my house. So that was a complete lie.

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Speaker 3: Hand on a bible, hand on a bible If you

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 3: have a Bible right now, I would swear hand on

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: a bible and that would bring bring a bible.

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: App. I will put my hand on the bible. App.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure it works that from that, you keep

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Speaker 3: perpetuating this rumor.

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: But then I thought about it. I said, those.

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 3: Kind of rumors exist for every single person that is

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Speaker 3: on the show. Candy will always be the sugar mama

1364
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 3: who paid men, who pays for boyfriends, so you know,

1365
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 3: the sugar mama who takes scare of me. Cynthia will

1366
01:15:54,840 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 3: always be the girl who was the weak one, no backbone,

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 3: always up Nini's behind.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 3: We all have something that someone in the cast says

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Speaker 3: about us. This sticks, this sticks, and that was mine,

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01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 3: even though if you're looking at me, really, I have

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: to pay someone. Really, this is what you want people

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: to believe. A successful, bright, kind, smart woman needs that

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01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 3: looks like me, A form missus say, has to pay

1375
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 3: someone to be up to date them. Really, that's what

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: you want, and it worked, and even after even after that,

1377
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 3: then everything the fruit of that became a lie, fake husband,

1378
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 3: fake well, fake boyfriend, fake fiance, fake husband, fake marriage,

1379
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: am I having a fake divorce, fake baby all of

1380
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 3: those take Affair with Apollo, Fake Affair with Apollo.

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: There were allegations that you try to suck Apollo's dick.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Rain Bob.

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Speaker 1: Tune in next Tuesday, August twenty second, at nine o'clock

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Speaker 1: am PSTRON to catch part two of my exclusive interview

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Speaker 1: with Kenya Moore.

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