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Speaker 1: It's the first time I've gotten to work with Jesse
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Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, and I let all of you
Speaker 1: guys at home decipher who is the odd man out
Speaker 1: in that scenario. Just driving the bus today and and
Speaker 1: just happy to be along with you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love working with Barry and Nate on pregame Live
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Speaker 1: been a long time coming, you and I getting to
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Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll with your I've been good
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Speaker 1: How you been. I'm good man, I'm excited to be
Speaker 1: You're right. Like I played with Barry, I work with Nate.
Speaker 1: I've never worked with two. So I think this is finally,
Speaker 1: you know, the stars aligning for us to work together.
Speaker 1: Now we got to make it a good one or
Speaker 1: you know, the bosses will see this and go Jesse,
Speaker 1: you and Kyle no longer will be a part of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nate knows how that goes. He we worked together one
Speaker 1: time and he went back up to the boss. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I should work with Kyle anymore. I
Speaker 1: heard anyway. Anyways, name you never said that they will
Speaker 1: throw you under the bus, though, be careful. Maybe he
Speaker 1: will throw you under a big eighteen wheel of bus.
Speaker 1: Is this true? The most Yeah? I tell you like
Speaker 1: this here man, Uh, I know now that it's been
Speaker 1: a pleasure working with you, Jesse, because we had the
Speaker 1: big church to get on with us. Man's that's that's
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Speaker 1: He throw you under that bus early in the morning. Bad.
Speaker 1: I'm just all under the tire tread right now. It's
Speaker 1: all good, that's awesome. I'm upset because I'm the only
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Speaker 1: So so so that's the earlier gonna get into early
Speaker 1: in this show. I like. I like that, oh man.
Speaker 1: So let's let's get started talking about a storyline that
Speaker 1: kind of popped up yesterday. And this is something that
Speaker 1: we didn't really anticipate popping up, and it happened early
Speaker 1: in the morning. And I know you guys would probably
Speaker 1: hit on it at least a little bit throughout your
Speaker 1: shows yesterday. But Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator and of course
Speaker 1: the young boy genius, I know it's like you guys
Speaker 1: like to call it on hanging with the Boys previously,
Speaker 1: but of course, in his second year as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator now being considered or at least rumored around
Speaker 1: the Boise State job. So my question to you is,
Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore, who of course is a Boise State
Speaker 1: graduate and a legend from the Broncos program up there
Speaker 1: in Idaho, if he were to go, would you be
Speaker 1: okay with that? Jesse? Do you think that you would
Speaker 1: rather see Kellen Moore stay and grow as an offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: Because I don't really think there's any question he would
Speaker 1: be back in twenty twenty one if if as long
Speaker 1: as he didn't get another job elsewhere. But would you
Speaker 1: like to see him back or has he done enough
Speaker 1: to say, okay, go off and take that Boise Stage job. Well,
Speaker 1: I maybe in the minority because I was never one
Speaker 1: who was on the Kellen Moore boy genius bandwagon when
Speaker 1: he first got here as the Cowboys OC. So with
Speaker 1: that being said, I would be more than elated. In fact,
Speaker 1: I have a prayer group that I'm gathering so that
Speaker 1: we can get this up to the football guy, so
Speaker 1: that Boise offers him the head coaching job, so he
Speaker 1: can go back to his ALBUMA Mata, his historic program
Speaker 1: where he's like the all time leading everything at Boise
Speaker 1: State and take the head coaching job and just kind
Speaker 1: of just go do his thing up there. And now
Speaker 1: we can have Freaky Mike do what we called him
Speaker 1: to do. We called Freaky Mike to come in here
Speaker 1: and be a offensive genius, an offensive play caller. I
Speaker 1: for one, have never I've never been on board with
Speaker 1: the Kellen Moore as the OC. So I wish him
Speaker 1: nothing but the best. I pray for his success, but
Speaker 1: I hope that his success takes him to Boise, Idaho,
Speaker 1: especially being this this is actually the last year that
Speaker 1: he has on his contract, doesn't He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: contract for twenty twenty one, So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: maybe things are lining up for him to go take
Speaker 1: that job at Boise State. So and I think that's
Speaker 1: why the rumors are so grounded, Like that's why it's
Speaker 1: something that is significant in the fact that it is
Speaker 1: the last year of his contract. I think that plays
Speaker 1: a big throws a big wrench into this because if
Speaker 1: it wasn't the last year of his contract, I feel
Speaker 1: like it might get a little bit more tricky. But Barry,
Speaker 1: do you feel the same way as there an ounce
Speaker 1: of view that says Kella Moore can go ahead and
Speaker 1: leave in this Cowboys organization may actually be better for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent behind Holly on this one. I
Speaker 1: was never I was never a great like you know,
Speaker 1: Kella Moore, He's just boy genius. When you said boy genius,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa hold on, I wait a second.
Speaker 1: But I didn't done in that urn, I promise. But
Speaker 1: I've never been like a huge fan. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was just too many instances this year where it was
Speaker 1: just head scratch head scratching calls. I mean, we can
Speaker 1: go back to the fourth and inches when we decided
Speaker 1: to throw a hitch to Cede Lamb instead of giving
Speaker 1: the ball to our ninety million dollars running back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a plethora of things that this season hass
Speaker 1: has caused me to scratch my head. So for me,
Speaker 1: I would love to see Kella Moore get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to be to hit the head guy and boys stay.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Jerry doesn't throw the bag at him
Speaker 1: and say, hey, come on back down here. We need
Speaker 1: your your offenses pedigree down here with our offense. But
Speaker 1: I hope he goes to Boise State, not for myself,
Speaker 1: but mostly for him. I mean, look, this is this
Speaker 1: is a stepping stool for him. He can go to
Speaker 1: Boise State. I mean this college, that college program is
Speaker 1: Taylor made for his offense. Everybody likes to throw the
Speaker 1: ball all over the place. They don't play great defense
Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. So I think he would thrive
Speaker 1: there and then eventually, if he wanted to, he might
Speaker 1: be able to get back to the league. But overall,
Speaker 1: for me, I hope we don't throw him the bag.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and go to Boise State and get a
Speaker 1: cracking down there, a big dog. What do you think
Speaker 1: you know? When Jason Garrett was in his final year,
Speaker 1: Jesse'll tell you all that ever scream was, it's smart,
Speaker 1: it's Jason supposed to be. And all the degrees that
Speaker 1: he had, why would he go into his final year
Speaker 1: letting a puppy call his plays? And he went through
Speaker 1: that whole year letting this puppy call his plays, and
Speaker 1: it cost him a job. Now we have coach McCarthy
Speaker 1: who said I would never give up my play calling duties, duties,
Speaker 1: and with one and with one week of putting his
Speaker 1: name on the dotted line, he came back and say,
Speaker 1: I'll be glad to get Kellen Moore my play calling duties.
Speaker 1: And I asked that question then, and I asked that
Speaker 1: question now, why did we hire coach McCarthy. Why didn't
Speaker 1: we go get a defensive, defensive minded coach if we
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let coach McCarthy call the plays. And I'll
Speaker 1: just leave it right there now. And that's a valid
Speaker 1: point because whenever Mike McCarthy came in, the first thought was, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess Kellen Moore is not calling the plays, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was what we thought. We thought Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy would call the plays. But I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of interested to see that all three of the
Speaker 1: guys are quote unquote in the minority, which I don't
Speaker 1: think is really that much of the minority, and the
Speaker 1: fact that people would be okay with with Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: leaving and taking this Boise State job. The only thing
Speaker 1: that I have paused about is the potential change with
Speaker 1: so much talent on this offense. I mean, you talk
Speaker 1: about the guys that they have in terms of Zeke
Speaker 1: and Anamari and Michael and CD that have had some
Speaker 1: success under Kellen Moore. I don't know about Zeke. Zeke
Speaker 1: might be the one that might benefit from a change,
Speaker 1: that offensive coordinator more than anybody. But why would you
Speaker 1: make a change like this whenever there has been success
Speaker 1: in the past. Do you feel strongly, Isaiah or excuse me, Barry,
Speaker 1: that there is an offensive coordinator out there, a veteran
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that could come in and make an immediate impact. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, but you said, Mike McCarthy, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: ate they had. Yeah, yes, Mike, see, I don't understand
Speaker 1: you directed that, Barry, but some things, Kyle. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is a veteran offensive coordinator called Mike McCarthy that helped
Speaker 1: a young Aaron Rodgers blossom. And then when when, when
Speaker 1: the when the when the student became equal or better
Speaker 1: than the master they sign him packing. Well, we don't
Speaker 1: have nobody's equal to Mike right now. So let's let's
Speaker 1: get Dak or whoever they're gonna sign at quarterback. Let's
Speaker 1: see he equal the mass, and then we'll get We'll
Speaker 1: call kell him back in four years. Are we sure
Speaker 1: Mike's this genius? Though? Are we sure Mike's this offensive? Same?
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy right. I think you know, I think he is.
Speaker 1: I think, if I said this and I repeat it,
Speaker 1: if he can run this team himself, if if if
Speaker 1: it wasn't, if it ain't no joint deal, if it's
Speaker 1: just like Mike, what do you want and let him
Speaker 1: run it? I think he can be. I think when
Speaker 1: the players know that everything stops and starts with your head, coach,
Speaker 1: I think he can. Because here's my thing, Fellas, what
Speaker 1: did we bring Mike McCarthy here for. If we didn't
Speaker 1: bring him him here for his offensive mindset and his
Speaker 1: offensive quote unquote genius and his ability to develop quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and his ability to get prolific offenses on the football field,
Speaker 1: why is he here? If we wanted a stand around coach,
Speaker 1: we could have extend. We could have extended Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: and brought in another offensive coordinator. You brought him here
Speaker 1: simply because of his pedigree as a quarterback developer and
Speaker 1: an offensive play caller. That's why you brought him here.
Speaker 1: Don't don't That's like don't don't don't bring a chef
Speaker 1: in to cook, to cook this five star meal, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you say, you know what I want?
Speaker 1: Oodles and noodles. Don't don't do that. We're not. We're not.
Speaker 1: We're not. We're not trying to make oodles and noodles anymore.
Speaker 1: We're trying to let this guy go ahead and do
Speaker 1: what he do. And if it's not, if what we
Speaker 1: think he's supposed to be doing is it what he's doing,
Speaker 1: then we failed. But don't handicap him. I had a
Speaker 1: conversation with with James Slater about, you know, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and being on the sideline, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, you know why some of the things happen
Speaker 1: for guys like Mike McCarthy this year with some of
Speaker 1: the game management stuff, because Mike is looking for stuff
Speaker 1: to do. His whole career, he's been so engaged in
Speaker 1: the play calling of a game and being that aspect
Speaker 1: of it that he's engaged. But now he's just a
Speaker 1: stand around head coach. You start trying to find stuff
Speaker 1: to do because it's like, what do I do with
Speaker 1: my hands? I have to find something to do. He
Speaker 1: has nothing to do on game day because I'm not
Speaker 1: calling plays. I'm not defensive minded, I'm not special teams minded.
Speaker 1: So if you take the one thing that makes me whole,
Speaker 1: and the one thing that makes me who I am,
Speaker 1: how I cut my teeth in this league. If you
Speaker 1: take that away from me, now I'm just another guy
Speaker 1: who has a pair of headsets on the sideline. Let
Speaker 1: him do what he does, and if that's not what
Speaker 1: he's good at anymore, then we failed and we move
Speaker 1: on to the next guy. But all this whole, you know,
Speaker 1: let this guy do this, Let this guy do this. No,
Speaker 1: you signed Mike McCarthy simply because of his past history
Speaker 1: of being a quarterback developer and an offensive play caller.
Speaker 1: Let the man do what he do well, and he
Speaker 1: was forced to call plays Kellen Moore being right, I
Speaker 1: mean this is a front office thing from the get go, correct, Jesse.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's really no other way around it, because
Speaker 1: with everything you're saying, Mike McCarthy has the opportunity to
Speaker 1: veto that unless it's a free front office thing. So
Speaker 1: why why is Kellen Moore still calling the plays? If
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, if that was specifically what he was called
Speaker 1: in to be. I said this yesterday on the show,
Speaker 1: and listen. I could be far fetched sometimes I get
Speaker 1: way out there with some of my theories, but coming
Speaker 1: into the last year of Kellen Moore's contract, and there
Speaker 1: could have been a competition between between Jerry and Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: and if you fire Mike, if you fire Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: now whatever he's making, you got to pay that, right.
Speaker 1: You don't get a chance to that doesn't go to
Speaker 1: the post, you know, post Jude one cuts where you
Speaker 1: can kind of get this kind on that you gotta
Speaker 1: pay him that. So I thought maybe Jerry was like listening,
Speaker 1: He's in his last year of his contract. Let's see
Speaker 1: if you guys can work this thing out by letting
Speaker 1: him call players this first year. If it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: we won't renew his contract, will give you the responsibilities
Speaker 1: back next year, and we'll continue to move forward. I
Speaker 1: do think that Kelly Moore is a Jerry Jones kind
Speaker 1: of uh. It's he's trying to build this. This is
Speaker 1: a continuation of what he tried to build with Jason Garrett.
Speaker 1: When Jason Garrett back in two thousand and seven, eight
Speaker 1: and nine was like supposed to be the new genius,
Speaker 1: hot shot offensive play caller, and he paid him five
Speaker 1: million dollars equal to what he paid Wade Phillips to
Speaker 1: be the OC so that he wouldn't go to Baltimore,
Speaker 1: or that he wouldn't go to, uh, you know, other places.
Speaker 1: I think Jerry's still trying to still trying to put
Speaker 1: his hand on I created something. If I can't create
Speaker 1: a super Bowl winning team, I wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: say I created the next Cow Shanahan. I created the
Speaker 1: next uh, you know, the next hot shot across the league,
Speaker 1: and he came from my tree. And again, I think,
Speaker 1: like like Jason Garrett, Jerry might be striking out again
Speaker 1: on this one. Barry, what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I just don't go understan. If
Speaker 1: we're going by that premise that you know who, we
Speaker 1: wanted to give Kellyn one more shot to try to
Speaker 1: try to make this offense complete and try to make
Speaker 1: the next Kellyn or Kyle Shanahan. I go back to
Speaker 1: Nate's premise. And I just don't understand why we even
Speaker 1: hired Mike in the first place. If we're gonna give
Speaker 1: you know, Keller Morti this shot to be this OC,
Speaker 1: this great, this great game caller, we should have went
Speaker 1: and got a defensive coach, because I mean, we know
Speaker 1: how bad our defenses has been struggling. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: still don't understand why we kept Kelly Moore along. If
Speaker 1: we hired Mike specifically to be this offensive guru and
Speaker 1: let him call the plays, why is Kelly Moore still here?
Speaker 1: I don't understand that one. That's the question I'd like
Speaker 1: to pose to you guys. And the thing that the
Speaker 1: thing that gets me fellas in and Jesse's always rolled
Speaker 1: me hard because I've always said, sooner or later, y'all,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to play defense. Sooner or later, y'all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to have somebody to turn the ball
Speaker 1: over sooner or later. And just think, we had a
Speaker 1: shot at at the defensive player this year last year,
Speaker 1: and we pick Ceedee Lamb and it's for great as
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb has been and for the potential that we
Speaker 1: see him being the top bulldog in the year. So
Speaker 1: that's how bad our defense is. Just think, and this
Speaker 1: year's draft it's totally against us because there's no top
Speaker 1: ten defensive players out there. So we're gonna wind up
Speaker 1: again getting another offensive player. And listen, if we don't
Speaker 1: have the right coordinator to Kyle, what up, Let's go Kyle,
Speaker 1: right coordinator to try to help control the game if
Speaker 1: we would have started out this season trying to control
Speaker 1: clock along with scores, which we couldn't because my mate
Speaker 1: to the ball. So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: we've we've solved everything. The Cowboys are gonna draft an
Speaker 1: offensive tight end uh in the first round in Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna turn The reason for the five
Speaker 1: and nine start is fumbles early in the season from Zeke.
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Speaker 1: Glad you're with us, everybody. Kyle Yoma's Jesse Holly, Nate
Speaker 1: Newton and Barry Church. Chris being back at his home
Speaker 1: office running things at the point today. But whenever you
Speaker 1: guys look at this week in the Dallas Cowboys going
Speaker 1: up against the Philadelphia Eagles, they're two completely different teams, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty out there, pretty obvious for either
Speaker 1: one of these teams. Whatever you talk about. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: no Benda Duci back at quarterback going up against the
Speaker 1: Eagles like they had back in Week eight. Then you
Speaker 1: turn around and you've got Andy Dalton and going up
Speaker 1: against Jalen Hurts, which is something that we didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: see going into Week sixteen happening either. But Jesse, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to Jalen Hurts, what does he bring that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough against this Cowboys defense because it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be an easy task for a defense that has
Speaker 1: struggled against mobile quarterbacks who can somehow find a way
Speaker 1: to throw the football like Jalen Hurts is done over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Yeah, he brings a headache,
Speaker 1: that's what he brings. He brings you a significant headache,
Speaker 1: especially for a team that will probably be without You're
Speaker 1: starting defensive tackle and Antoine Woods, you're starting little linebacker,
Speaker 1: and Layton Vanderish and you're starting safety Xavier Woods will
Speaker 1: all probably be out of his game and his team
Speaker 1: has already had issues with the run game up the
Speaker 1: middle and being able to corral athletic quarterbacks. And the
Speaker 1: way Jalen Hurts plays is yes, he wants to deliver
Speaker 1: the ball from the pocket, but make no mistakes about it.
Speaker 1: When that's not there and the play breaks down, you
Speaker 1: and this is a team who Tech Cowboys defense who
Speaker 1: have not been alignment assignment sound all year long. When
Speaker 1: that play breaks down and that pocket begins to collap,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts now becomes a threat as a runner, and
Speaker 1: not a runner who's looking to slide or who's looking
Speaker 1: to kind of tiptoe. No, he's looking to run with
Speaker 1: ni with some force. He has some wiggle. So not
Speaker 1: only is he looking to deliver the ball down the field,
Speaker 1: which he can, but when it breaks down on third
Speaker 1: and seven and third and eight, now all the linebackers
Speaker 1: have dropped back in coverage, and linebackers who may not
Speaker 1: have played a lot this season will play a lot
Speaker 1: more snaps because of the appsence of Laton vander Esh
Speaker 1: and those guys have dropped deep, and all that open
Speaker 1: field is there a guy like Jalen Hurts will be
Speaker 1: able to break containment, get in the open field and
Speaker 1: convert those third downs, and you just you hope that
Speaker 1: aren't those critical ones late in the game or when
Speaker 1: you really need to get off the field. But he
Speaker 1: brings a headache to you. And I know that Barrier
Speaker 1: will be able to explain this a little bit better
Speaker 1: than I am from the defensive perspective, but he brings
Speaker 1: a headache to you because he's a guy that you
Speaker 1: have to account for as a weapon in the offensive game,
Speaker 1: not only as a runner. I'm not only as a thrower,
Speaker 1: but as a bona fide runner. Barry, Yeah, Jesse, percent right.
Speaker 1: This guy is a headache waiting to happen. And I'm
Speaker 1: not on team Tank. I'm on team Let's make this
Speaker 1: NFC's playoffs. And I was hoping, a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I was praying that Carson Wentz was going to be
Speaker 1: in the lineup. I was hoping that mister Turnover himself
Speaker 1: was going to be in the lineup and we were
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and pick him apart. But but
Speaker 1: he's not. They got Hurts in there, and this guy
Speaker 1: is diagnamic the way he's able to he's faster than
Speaker 1: you want them to be, and he's more accurate than
Speaker 1: you want them to be. And like Jesse said, when
Speaker 1: the pocket breaks down and everything around him is going crazy,
Speaker 1: he has that innate ability to escape. Somehow, some way.
Speaker 1: He finds a sliver, a crack in a hole somewhere
Speaker 1: and he escapes out there. And then he becomes kind
Speaker 1: of like Russell Wilson ESK. I'm not saying he's as
Speaker 1: good as Russell Wilson, but he becomes Russell Wilson X
Speaker 1: looking there's no way, not even close, not even close.
Speaker 1: But the way he's able to look down the field
Speaker 1: as he's trying to escape, he's not always trying to
Speaker 1: escape and run the ball and get down field to
Speaker 1: use his legs. He's looking to extend the play and
Speaker 1: get the ball down the field. And as a defender,
Speaker 1: that is one of the hardest things you can defend,
Speaker 1: because when he starts doing that, it's already hard enough
Speaker 1: to cover these receivers, you know, as a play is developing,
Speaker 1: but as the play breaks down and it becomes backyard football,
Speaker 1: and the receivers are running all the way over just
Speaker 1: trying to get open for their quarterback. It becomes extremely
Speaker 1: hard as a defender to defend that. And when you
Speaker 1: got a guy like Hurts who's able to run around
Speaker 1: by time and still has the arm strength to get
Speaker 1: the ball down the field, it's a hard, hard thing
Speaker 1: to defend. And this Cowboys team with missing starters, like
Speaker 1: you said, on all three levels, the defensive line, linebacker,
Speaker 1: and the secondary, it's going to be hard to defend
Speaker 1: this guy. For somehow, some way, we have got to
Speaker 1: take the ball away from him, get our offense in
Speaker 1: short fields, and hopefully come away with a dog. Nate Wow, Man,
Speaker 1: I got buried church. Who brings his own segment on
Speaker 1: our pregame show, the church he preaches. When we got
Speaker 1: what we call on our show, we got Jesse, we
Speaker 1: call him the gospel. So I got the gospel in
Speaker 1: the pastor let's bringing the church. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so all I can say to what y'all said
Speaker 1: is glory, glory, to glory, glory, because that man were runing,
Speaker 1: because you were running. If the Cowboys do not line
Speaker 1: off right and do not tackle tonight, this early day
Speaker 1: game will be a disaster. I said on our show,
Speaker 1: and I meant this. We could be rolling along at
Speaker 1: a good clip. The Eagles can have a worse team
Speaker 1: than us, like they did last year, and we will
Speaker 1: find a way to lose the game because one of
Speaker 1: the coordinators get wacky and do something weird. Now we
Speaker 1: supposed to beat the Eagles Sunday s I don't care
Speaker 1: who were missing. We're supposed to beat them. That's just
Speaker 1: wait and see what happened. I'm hoping what Church and
Speaker 1: I mean, what the what the uh said? Don't get
Speaker 1: the gospels? Hope it don't work? Well, don't work. I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily convinced that the Cowboys have the majority of
Speaker 1: the momentum. I know that the Eagles lost against Arizona,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they played Arizona as well as
Speaker 1: they did, I feel like gave them confidence. And it
Speaker 1: hurts by himself is given a shot in the arm
Speaker 1: to everybody on that Eagle sideline, Nate, are you surely
Speaker 1: confident that the Cowboys are one thing? What the line is?
Speaker 1: As good as this kid has been for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: and he's been that shot in um Okay, he's that
Speaker 1: double head of express. So I understand that this kid
Speaker 1: will put the ball on the ground. I have a
Speaker 1: guy who church is name the striker. His name is
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. When everybody else missed the tackles, he don't.
Speaker 1: He not only makes the tackle, but he knocks balls loose.
Speaker 1: And if he cannot miss this kid in the open field,
Speaker 1: he can bring the pain. And all I needed is
Speaker 1: for one of those cornerbacks who's been standing around to
Speaker 1: pick the ball up. Do you see another turnover for
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, Jesse, do you think he could continue the
Speaker 1: hot streak. I mean he had to turnover against the
Speaker 1: Eagles the first time around. Yeah. I like Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: and people will think I don't like Donovan Wilson. The
Speaker 1: thing the thing that I struggle with when it comes
Speaker 1: to Donovan Wilson. And I know this is coming from
Speaker 1: an offensive guy, but you know they label him as
Speaker 1: the hitman, and that's great, and that's fine. Striker, the striker,
Speaker 1: whatever they want to call him, trying to make it
Speaker 1: more consistent in coverage I need. I needed to be
Speaker 1: more consistent. He plays a little bit too erratic for me,
Speaker 1: and sometimes this was the nineteen nineties. Great bring the
Speaker 1: striker all day long, but we don't play in the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. Anymore we play in the year of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and that type of physicality from that position, they don't
Speaker 1: welcome that really well in the National Football League. And example,
Speaker 1: he had a fifteen yard penalty when the defense should
Speaker 1: have got off the field last week because he came
Speaker 1: downhill ready to be a striker. I just want him
Speaker 1: to have to know he has to be almost Chris
Speaker 1: Chris Kyle with his striking. You gotta be accurate. You
Speaker 1: have to be an assassin when you do this, because
Speaker 1: it comes a point in time of the game if
Speaker 1: you're coming downhill and you're trying to be that striking force.
Speaker 1: I don't need a fifteen yard targeting penalty. I don't
Speaker 1: need a unncessary roughness penalty. I don't I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I don't need to hit a defensive receiver penalty. And
Speaker 1: it extends to drive for the team. So be a striker,
Speaker 1: be aggressive, be physical, but understand how to do it
Speaker 1: and win to do it. Because if it's third down
Speaker 1: and we need to get off the field because they've
Speaker 1: had the ball for the last four or five minutes
Speaker 1: and they're on an eight, nine, ten, eleven play, drive
Speaker 1: and we got him. We got him. It's third or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you come downhill all crazy and now it's a
Speaker 1: targeting penalty, and now we give them a free first
Speaker 1: down in fifteen yards. That's my only that's my only gright.
Speaker 1: What I have with him is be physical, be the enforcer,
Speaker 1: be aggressive, just have it under control. Just don't be
Speaker 1: all over the place, and don't let your aggressiveness lead
Speaker 1: to somebody, you know, getting over top of you and
Speaker 1: behind your head. I like that a lot. I do.
Speaker 1: I think that's a key for Donovan Wilson, especially since
Speaker 1: I mean he's not the big time prospect that you
Speaker 1: normally would want as a guy who's going to come
Speaker 1: in and be a game changer. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick, but Barry, how tough is that
Speaker 1: for a safety to do? To come down and be
Speaker 1: the hammer, come down, be the enforcer, be the strike
Speaker 1: or as you want to call him, but also be
Speaker 1: under control at the same time, because I feel like
Speaker 1: those things don't come hand in hand quite easily. Oh
Speaker 1: they don't. And it's something that you know, you learn
Speaker 1: over time. And this guy is still young. He's still young.
Speaker 1: He's in his first season. Of really getting a lot
Speaker 1: of playing time. And I mean he's called the striker,
Speaker 1: and that's what I can see. I can live with
Speaker 1: that as a as a defender, I can live with
Speaker 1: that guy being aggressive, being downhill, striking everything that moves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you might catch a penalty here and there, but I
Speaker 1: can go in the foxhil I can go with an
Speaker 1: into war with someone knowing that he's gonna go one
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour no matter what the situation is.
Speaker 1: So I can live with that. But he does have
Speaker 1: to develop a little bit more. Well, you need you
Speaker 1: need the safety. You mean the safety going one hundred
Speaker 1: miles an hour all the time I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: Stafey weren't supposed to do that in cowboy uniformstry to believe,
Speaker 1: to believe. I'm sorry, your boy, your boy, who's who's
Speaker 1: gonna miss this game? He doesn't believe in going one
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour each and every play, And that's
Speaker 1: probably why he won't be back here next year. But that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's another point for another day. But for
Speaker 1: me overall, he kind of for me overall, Wilson kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of Wilcox right now, he's very aggressive,
Speaker 1: and that's JJ Wilcox reminds me of him a lot
Speaker 1: because he's very aggressive. He's very downhill, but he can miss.
Speaker 1: He has the ability to miss out there. So he
Speaker 1: has to get that control part of his game. And
Speaker 1: he comes downhill as far as his breaks too, when
Speaker 1: he's breaking on the ball, So he has to get
Speaker 1: that control part of the game. Like Jesse has has said,
Speaker 1: has mentioned that he has to get that under control.
Speaker 1: But if he's able to do that, I think the
Speaker 1: future is bright for this kid. J And like JJ Willcox,
Speaker 1: all you gotta decide, is he that thirty play or
Speaker 1: less player? Yes, put him in situations where he can
Speaker 1: be that guy. That's where great coaching come in at
Speaker 1: I like what both of you guys have said. But
Speaker 1: we got to have that type of player because take
Speaker 1: him off the field and guess what. Guys are running
Speaker 1: behind us, Guys are catching balls all over us. This
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Speaker 1: To talk in Cowboys, It's the final segment here of
Speaker 1: a special Christmas Eve edition of Dallas Cowboys dot com podcast.
Speaker 1: So glad you're with us. We're having a ton of
Speaker 1: fun leading you into Week sixteen of the the NFL season.
Speaker 1: We've got Jesse Holly Berry Church and Nate Newton of
Speaker 1: trio of former Dallas Cowboys. I'm just trying to lead
Speaker 1: the way here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, but i
Speaker 1: think I'm losing internet connection, so I'm going to pass
Speaker 1: things off to Jesse really quickly here and Jesse whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the offense, and Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard had his first start of his career. What
Speaker 1: did you think about what you saw from Tony? Is
Speaker 1: that something he can continue the rest of the season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Tony did what they wanted him to do.
Speaker 1: He wasn't bad, he wasn't spectacular. He was good. He
Speaker 1: rushed the ball for sixty nine yards. He caught the
Speaker 1: ball for sixty yards. That's what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1: It wasn't any like, that's the thing. I found it amazing,
Speaker 1: And I think Cowboy fans, we're looking for something and
Speaker 1: we're we're, we're, we're, we're hypocondracts, and we over exaggerated everything.
Speaker 1: So any little thing, it's like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: shouldn't be starting to go with zee. He had one
Speaker 1: run for forty yards. Other than that, he would have
Speaker 1: literally rushed for twelve carries for twenty two yards or
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards in an entire football game that he
Speaker 1: was the lead back in. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm throwing shade at
Speaker 1: Tony Pollock. But I am the voice of reason. I
Speaker 1: am the voice of reason around here. And he wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: He wasn't spectacular. He did what he was supposed to
Speaker 1: do in the game that in the road they gave him.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's easy. Here's a couple
Speaker 1: thing that you have to remember. One it's easy to say,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well he did and needs that and
Speaker 1: he did it in the one game. When those yards
Speaker 1: and those carries and those miles begin to get on
Speaker 1: your back, I don't know how explosive he will be.
Speaker 1: I played with a guy named Felix Jones. And when
Speaker 1: Felix was the complimentary back to Marry and Barber, he
Speaker 1: was lights out. He would come in out to Marry
Speaker 1: and didn't tend to ride the defense up and he
Speaker 1: would break one for sixty seventy yards or screenplayers, some
Speaker 1: thing like that. And then they decided, you know what, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make Felix our every down back and we're
Speaker 1: gonna let Marion Barbara go. And then they gave the
Speaker 1: ball to Felix twenty to twenty five times the games,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't cut it. They beginning to wear on him,
Speaker 1: his body beginning to wear it down. He didn't have
Speaker 1: the burst, He didn't have the elusionment that he once had.
Speaker 1: Because when you gotta be a blitz pick up in
Speaker 1: the first down back and the second down back, and
Speaker 1: you gotta hit the three hundred and thirty pound those
Speaker 1: tackle and the linebacker is constantly hitting you, and you
Speaker 1: gotta pick up those blitzing safeties over time through a
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen week season, that begins to wear on you.
Speaker 1: And so I know that Zeke may not have the
Speaker 1: burst that he once had, but you try giving Tony
Speaker 1: Poller two hundred and fifty three hundred carries a season,
Speaker 1: and see it, see it. See how elusive and how
Speaker 1: a fast and burst he he is after a couple
Speaker 1: of years of that, so you know, we gotta kind
Speaker 1: of almost pump out brakes a little bit again. Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard is a nice change of pace back. He's a
Speaker 1: nice compliment to a lead back. But he did nothing
Speaker 1: in that game that wiled me. He did exactly what
Speaker 1: you thought he would be able to catch the ball cleanly,
Speaker 1: make some plays in space, protect a football and run
Speaker 1: it you know where he can, and pick up some
Speaker 1: decent yards and break a big play after you've worn
Speaker 1: down a defense a little bit. I mean, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you brought him into to do, and that's what
Speaker 1: he did on Sunday, and sure it looked good. I
Speaker 1: mean it was fun and everybody saw, Hey, forty yards
Speaker 1: on a touchdown run. We haven't seen that in a
Speaker 1: while from Zeke, So I see where fans are coming from.
Speaker 1: But once again, I'm right there with you, Jesse. I
Speaker 1: think he's a good complimentary back. But Tony Pollard also
Speaker 1: said this week that that Zeke is his number one
Speaker 1: fan and you hear that every now and again from
Speaker 1: different teammates or players in the league, and even even
Speaker 1: outside of football. These complimentary basketball players, these second tier
Speaker 1: basketball players that are playing under a big guy and
Speaker 1: they have a big game. It's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: James Harden's my number one fan, says Russell Westbrook. Not
Speaker 1: so much. But there are different things that you look
Speaker 1: at from these players perspective. Dud said, I want to
Speaker 1: hear from you guys started with Nate. But do you
Speaker 1: think that's that's real? Do you think that there is
Speaker 1: legitimate support there or is that just something that players
Speaker 1: say to say to the media, or is there maybe
Speaker 1: even a little bit of competition and discontent that locker room.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke is confident in who he is and
Speaker 1: what he makes to be able to say that true.
Speaker 1: That's good point. I'm making twelve million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: You're making fifteen hundred dollars a week. Hey brought me
Speaker 1: a biggest fan by Yeah, you know, I gotta agree
Speaker 1: with Nat on that one. I mean, look, he could
Speaker 1: say that. He could say that because, like they said,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the lead dog, he's making the most.
Speaker 1: He he knows for a fact that his job is
Speaker 1: not under any type of scrutiny or under any type
Speaker 1: of you know, billingness to give it up at any
Speaker 1: type of at any chance. I mean, look, Zeke, he
Speaker 1: can say that, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like if Tony Poler started cutting into his carries, or
Speaker 1: if we've seen the head coach saying, hey man, PTP,
Speaker 1: this is your job. Now, Zeke a saying none of that.
Speaker 1: He's going straight to Jerry. Hey, what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on here? This dude ain't nowhere near as good
Speaker 1: as me? Why is he splitting carries with me? What
Speaker 1: is going on here? I'm making the most money, I'm
Speaker 1: your investment. Why is he getting these carries? It would
Speaker 1: change the script so fast it wouldn't even be funny.
Speaker 1: So now he can say that because he's in a
Speaker 1: position where he's at right now, and it's it's always
Speaker 1: funny because and Nayton Barry knows this. There's this, there's
Speaker 1: this healthy friendship slash competition and in position groups, right,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, listen, we're all safeties, we're all receivers,
Speaker 1: we're all lynman, and we all like each other. We
Speaker 1: genuinely like each other. But there's this quiet, spoken, unspoken
Speaker 1: language of you, my guy, but I'm coming for your job,
Speaker 1: especially if you're playing in front of me, and and
Speaker 1: and and Yes we are in a brotherhood, and I
Speaker 1: get it, but I promise you as a as as
Speaker 1: a backup receiver. I never want to see anyone get hurt.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, that's gonna be a four week
Speaker 1: ankle injury. Oh and my lion fellas, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see. I never want to see anyone get hurt.
Speaker 1: But I'm not upset if the ankle injury is four
Speaker 1: to five weeks, I'm not upset. I'm not conteers understand this.
Speaker 1: Anybody that's a fifth rounder or down to free agency
Speaker 1: like all three of us is. I don't care what
Speaker 1: happened to you. If I get that opportunity to get
Speaker 1: your job and the coaches being sad, you would not
Speaker 1: get it back. M That's the bottom line. That's that's
Speaker 1: how I feel. Every time Barry hosts a church segment
Speaker 1: on Sunday on Pregame Live, I just know there's some
Speaker 1: friendly competition between the Pregame Live crew and I know
Speaker 1: Barry look at a cross kind of giving me the
Speaker 1: side eye every time he hosts a really nice segment now.
Speaker 1: But no, I've always been interested about that because there
Speaker 1: has to be that friendship, there has to be that brotherhood,
Speaker 1: but there also has to be the competition and a
Speaker 1: healthy competition. It's what you want in locker room, and
Speaker 1: you need to have that balance of both. And I
Speaker 1: think that's a better competition in your locker room, that
Speaker 1: better your team. When you have a team that is
Speaker 1: truly complacent, you have a losing team that is part
Speaker 1: of the culture. You can go to Kansas City right
Speaker 1: now and you can talk to Anthony Hitchins or Wilson,
Speaker 1: and I asked them like, hey man, how do you
Speaker 1: feel you feel comfortable? And they're gonna tell you know ah,
Speaker 1: because when you're winning, when you're winning, and you you
Speaker 1: want more. When I started winning, I wanted more Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1: I wanted more All Pros. I would look at the
Speaker 1: next guy. I used to want to look at the
Speaker 1: next offensive guard or the next offensive time. I was
Speaker 1: looking at what they were doing during the week, not
Speaker 1: on my team, because I felt I was better than
Speaker 1: what was on my team. I'm talking on other teams.
Speaker 1: You want to be the best, the more you win.
Speaker 1: But when you got this so losing attitude, yeah we're okay,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, these moral victories everybody won. Losing brains, complacency
Speaker 1: and brains. Friendships, competitiveness, brains, a bond that will never
Speaker 1: be broken. I love Troy forever, Mike Irvan forever because
Speaker 1: they would not let me fail and I would not
Speaker 1: let them fail. That's competitiveness. And this is why you'll
Speaker 1: never hear players be team tankers. We're never gonna be
Speaker 1: team tankers one because it's just not who we are.
Speaker 1: We understand the sacrifice that it takes to go to
Speaker 1: put it into be a professional player. Into quitters. Those
Speaker 1: are quitters, they quit. But we also understand, right, we
Speaker 1: also understand if if you tank and we're really bad
Speaker 1: on defense, and I'm Barry Church and they're gonna go
Speaker 1: get a defensive player and they're gonna focus on defense.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, my job may be in My job
Speaker 1: may be in trouble if if we're tanking and our
Speaker 1: job and we're back quickensive and I'm and I'm an
Speaker 1: offensive player, you know, And I've told this story one
Speaker 1: of the reasons a lot of people were upset that
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. The year we drafted Dez Bryant was because
Speaker 1: when we left our team meeting, Jason Garrett told the offense, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're good. We're gonna look defensively. And so
Speaker 1: with me, Patrick Craton, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd,
Speaker 1: Kevin Ogtree, we're chilling. We're like, okay, good, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get our little vacation on. And I'm in
Speaker 1: Mexico and I'm watching the draft and it's I'm in
Speaker 1: I'm in can Con, and I'm the television, the telecaster
Speaker 1: in Spanish, and all our is no Dez Bryant. And
Speaker 1: I said, lady that I was with. She said, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys took dazz Brant. And I ran in there and
Speaker 1: I looked at my phone and before I can even
Speaker 1: before I can even unlock my phone, I had missed
Speaker 1: calls from Patrick Craig, and I miss I had missed
Speaker 1: calls because now I was like, wait a second, was
Speaker 1: it you add another first round receiver into this room?
Speaker 1: Somebody gotta go. So yeah, that's that's always in the
Speaker 1: back of my mother. Man. I tell you, man, I
Speaker 1: was here and went through the same thing. Yes, same thing.
Speaker 1: I had two second round picks coming straight for my job.
Speaker 1: One of us, a kid out of the University of Florida,
Speaker 1: played with my brother second round pick. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just in the newspaper. I mean, I'm mean, you used
Speaker 1: to be ruth it's not a soft they used to
Speaker 1: be ruthless. They knew would no longer be here because
Speaker 1: they got this guy, and they got this guy and
Speaker 1: they will not be here. This guy will be starting
Speaker 1: doing training camp and I'm like, wow, I mean, and
Speaker 1: so people are like, you know, young ladys me is like,
Speaker 1: how you feel about that. I'm like, man, I gotta
Speaker 1: go to work. I gotta go to work. And thank god,
Speaker 1: this dude like to eating more and I didn't. He
Speaker 1: never made wait, he never I stopped eating for a while.
Speaker 1: He can d so I may thank you. See I
Speaker 1: tell people, man, when I look at a dude and
Speaker 1: I can't have a little fear of him taking my job,
Speaker 1: I mean, I get up that morning out, man, I
Speaker 1: work out tomorrow to do behind. Really, but boy, it's
Speaker 1: a little healthy fear there that you may walk to
Speaker 1: your locker and it's two guys sitting in there and
Speaker 1: both of y'all and all of y'all four hundred pounds
Speaker 1: trying to get around each other. That little lockers used
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, it's my lineup, But I understand
Speaker 1: he brought y'all on him doing the off day, so
Speaker 1: it's y'all locker two. Come on, man, that's that's some fear. Bro.
Speaker 1: You pick out that window on that Tuesday, and they
Speaker 1: got they work when they work out today. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: everything got the clock and every man. And the thing
Speaker 1: about it Saray cap makes it wear certain guys. But
Speaker 1: I tell people, I say, even before it was a
Speaker 1: sary cap, it was still certain guys that were gonna
Speaker 1: make your team. First round picks, Guys like that, guys
Speaker 1: they gave the money to. So this has always been around,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen the complacency that I see now.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't breathe winning. Yeah, no, it doesn't. And
Speaker 1: that's why you see a season like this, even with
Speaker 1: all the injuries. It's easy to make an excuse for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but hopefully the Cowboys can keep some of
Speaker 1: this momentum. Hopefully it does breed winning into twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: When you get your guys back and you get healthy.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of fans are,
Speaker 1: and they're split between making the playoffs or at least
Speaker 1: making a push for the playoffs. You still need a
Speaker 1: lot of help to get there. But winning and quote
Speaker 1: unquote tanking. I mean, there's fans split both ways, but
Speaker 1: I think winning is going to help you out a
Speaker 1: lot more as you head into the final couple of
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. But that's going to do it
Speaker 1: for us here on this question before we leave, I try,
Speaker 1: is tanking quitting? That's quitting? It is quitn Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you glad. I'm sorry. I got a little emotional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could tell. I could tell. Now. I wanted to
Speaker 1: wish everybody listening a Marry Christmas, Mary, Christmas to you three.
Speaker 1: It was a ton of fun hanging out with you
Speaker 1: here over the last forty five minutes. We'll be sure
Speaker 1: to do it again. Along the way, you can catch
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