WEBVTT - Bound with Vanessa Guerrero 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.760 On the beck Del Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.440 have women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.639 and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:17.200 invest start changing it with the beck Del cass Oh, Jamie, 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.760 I dropped my earring down the sink. Can you reach 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:29.200 into my drain and get it out? Um? Yes, I'm 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.400 assuming that's why you hired me to come here, is 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:38.760 to remove things from your drain? Is that correct? Yeah? 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.840 And if you need to keep reaching into my drain 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.920 over and over? Would you like to have sex? Is 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.760 that what you're saying? Because these metaphors are getting exhausting 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:58.320 for me. Gina Gershawn Yeah, And Emmy Jennifer Tilly, Oh 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.760 my god, Jennifer, I get it. Okay, let's have sex. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:09.319 I would like to fuck I've created Wow. Oh that 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.520 is actually an iconic Jennifer Tilly impression. Congratulation. I felt 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.800 like I wasn't doing a very good job, but thank you. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.920 I felt like you captured the spirit. Thank you. Thanks. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.720 I think it was great. Um well, I think that 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:29.240 was our best introid truly, many moods, years years, years years. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.840 Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.520 My name is Caitlin Dronte, and this is our podcast 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.600 where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.480 the Bechdel Test simply as a jumping off point to 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:47.600 initiate a larger conversation. The Bechtel Test being a media 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.600 metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:56.120 Bechtel Wallace test, in which our version requires that two 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.680 people of a marginalized gender have names, they speak to 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.320 each other, and their conversation has to be about something 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.760 other than a man for like a two or more 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:10.839 line exchange of dialogue, and hopefully that conversation is narratively impactful. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.520 Right this is I mean, first of all, you really 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.960 took control of the intro there, and I really thought 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:25.520 it was powerful and exciting. Thank you, Jennifer. And yeah, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.600 and in the case of this movie, I really don't 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.880 think we're going to be having many issues as it 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.040 pertains to the Bechtel test. However, we have a great 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:41.600 conversation ahead because today we are covering the Wachowski Sisters 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:49.600 classic There I believe their first first feature together. Yeah, Bound, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:56.760 starring impressionized incredibly by Caitlin and myself, Jennifer Tilly and 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.400 Gina Gershawn, as well as Joey and pants Um Angst 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.520 a couple of other people. Christopher Maloney is in the 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.480 Damn Movie. Christopher Maloney is in the Damn Movie. And 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:11.400 that's a really good point. Um, thank you. We have 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.800 we we have so recovering bound and we have an 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:18.440 incredible returning guest who I believe in text in our 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.480 last episode, wanted to cover this movie. Absolutely. Yes, I 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.760 think I might have been I might have immolated myself 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.760 if it didn't happen. Um. I love this movie so 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.760 much with every pore of my being, and I've wanted 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.240 a reason to like talk about it. Well, but here 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.960 is here, and let's introduce you properly. Our guest today 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.280 is a comedian and host of the Kicking and Screaming podcast. 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.560 You remember her from our episodes on Maid in Manhattan, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:56.880 Raw and Atomic Blonde. It's Vanessa Guerrero. Hello, thank you 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.440 so much for having me back. I love that this 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.560 all star arted with the rom com episode in which 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.680 uh I had a four logo because Jamie had one, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.840 and then I got drunker than I've ever been in 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.760 my whole life. I clearly well, I wouldn't say I 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:20.240 clearly remember that. I definitely remember that. I just remember, like, oh, Ship, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.279 even like um, hearing the list of movies you've covered 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.960 with us in the past is such a delight because 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.800 it really just we've covered so much ground and we're 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:37.200 only expanding upon that ground today with Bound. Oh my gosh, Bound, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:42.799 What is your relationship your history with the film Bound? Vanessa. So, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.760 there were like a couple of movies that I would 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.159 see on i f C really late night as a 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.159 kid that were like, oh my god, this is horny 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:55.120 and gay, and this is very much like awakening something 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.320 in me in ways that I can't quite unpack yet. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.200 Their mine, and it was like this and and I'm 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.680 a cheerleader. It was it was usually like one or 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.640 the other. And Bound blew my mind because it took 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.880 the shape of so many things that I like and 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.880 I had seen before, Like it took every neo noir 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.440 Marlon Brando ass like someone in a tank top brooding 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.919 in dark alleys that I've seen a million times, but 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.120 put it into this like almost comic book perspective that 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.839 just so happened to start two of the hottest women 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.760 I've ever seen. Truly, I did that thing where when 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.280 you want someone you try and take on their personality, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.200 So I was constantly swinging in between like hyper fem 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:44.200 and mask presentations. Bound definitely like. I experienced a lot 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.440 of like euphoria with this movie, and it made me 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.680 love the witch Howski so much that I watched everything 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.640 that they had ever made except for The Matrix because 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.360 I was scared that it wouldn't live up to it. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.480 And I didn't watch The Matrix until I was like, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.240 I love it. I love it. I saw twell times 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.479 in one week. I mean people watched it later, some 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.080 people watched it later than that. That's all I'll say. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:18.320 I love all of that. Jamie, what's your relationship with Bound? Um? 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.560 I didn't think I had much of a relationship with it, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.560 And then as I was so, I had not seen 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.719 this movie in full before until preparing for this episode, however, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.760 I realized as I was watching it that it's so 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.200 funny that you mentioned I f C and I'm assuming 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:39.960 the like latesh Odds Vanessa, because I think I've mentioned 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.080 this on the show before. My dad was like, a 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.479 big time, like when he was done with work for 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.120 the night and like the rest of the family was asleep, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.280 he would watch I f C movies like no one's business. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:54.040 And sometimes if you walk into your parents watching an 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.640 I f C late night movie, it's uncomfortable. And so 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.839 I do remember clearly one night in a movie that 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:08.440 I now realized was bound um walking downstairs, passing my 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.280 dad at the TV to get to the kitchen to 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.440 get a glass of water and being like, Michael, what 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:18.120 are you watching because it was a scene of Gina 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:22.000 Kershawn and Jennifer Tilly making sweet love to each other, 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.080 and he was like, it's an i f C movie. Relax, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.920 because Michaelofts is the king of punk and always has been, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.640 always will be. But I remember at the time being 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.440 scandalized by what my father was watching on probably a Tuesday. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.840 And then as I was watching this movie that I 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.800 really I've now watched three times and I've really really 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.920 come to like I can't wait to talk about it 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:51.160 because it's so fucking good and like not only like 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.920 incredible for its time, but incredible for like right now 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.240 watching it today shows so much about like what's to 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.480 come in the witch Howski sister filmography, like, it just 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.240 is so good. But also I saw my dad watching 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.840 it in high school and I was like, oh, um, 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.800 that's my whole history with it. I love it. I'm 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.400 excited to talk about it. Caitlin, what's your history with 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.880 this movie. I had never seen any part of this movie, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.160 not not even on the Tuesday No, but it was 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.680 on my It's been on my radar forever. It's been 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.880 on my list of things to watch forever. I just 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.920 had not gotten around to it. So this episode was 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.400 the perfect excuse. I've seen it, I think four times 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.000 now in the past like two weeks. This movie fucking rules. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.640 Like I am sad that I slept on it for 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.840 so long, but yeah, I'm so excited to talk about it. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.120 I kind of don't have a bad thing to say 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.440 about it. It's all good stuff, perfect, It's kind of 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.720 a perfect movie. Should I recap it? Yeah, let's recap it? 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.120 Why not? Oh? Sorry, I was just trying to figure 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.840 out there's a character played by Kevin M. Richardson. He's 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.640 only credited as Cop Number two, but I immediately recognized 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.520 his voice and I was like, Oh my god, who 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.480 is this man? Who is this man. So he is 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.959 the cop that is peeing in the toilet while there's blood, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.880 while there's a guy and dead in the tub, and 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.480 his voice like I don't know, I just I'm such 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.839 like I'm so animation filled them, like I know this 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:30.360 man's voice. It turns out he is an iconic voice actor, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.559 and he plays a character in Delilo and Stitch franchise 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:39.240 named Captain Gone to God. That's why his voice was 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.959 familiar to me. He's been in a timing. You could 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.560 recognize his voice from any you know, wild amount of things. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.520 But I definitely was like, oh yeah, and then he 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.560 was like in subsequently Low and Stitch stuff. I'm like, okay, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.120 I feel so much better. It's such a relief when 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.280 you hear someone's voice and then you can connect it 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.960 to a cartoon character for whatever reason, and oh yeah, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.240 my brand's like oh cool, they're really get around them 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:09.400 in reality. Right, You're like, that is Captain Gontu, isn't it? Anyways? Okay, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.280 the movie bound, sorry movie bound here here it comes. Okay, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:19.080 So Violet, that's Jennifer Tilly and her husband, her husband 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.040 or maybe boyfriend. I don't know if they're married or 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.040 just like partnered. Um, yeah, I don't put them in 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.840 a box. I'm so sorry. This toxic relationship could be anything, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.680 could be anything. You're right, it's like a symbiotic toxic relation. Well, 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.719 one way someone surviving and then the other person is 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.240 a piece of ship. It's almost as if she's kind 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.720 of like bound to him, but not because she wants 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.839 to be. Yes, there's so much binding in this movie. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:52.360 Sexy and otherwise. His name is Caesar. That's Joe Pantaliano 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.400 a k. Joey Pants. They get into an elevator with 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.280 Corky that's Gina Gershawn, Violent and cork He make eyes 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.000 at each other. Then Violet and Caesar go into their 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:11.520 condo while Quirky goes into the unit next door. She's 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.319 there to do repairs and fix up the place. Also 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.200 a quick shout out to the score of this movie 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.840 by someone named Don Davis, because any time, any time 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.920 Quirky and Violet are in an enclosed space together, it's well, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.560 in the elevator, it's something like brown brown, brown, like 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:37.120 it's like a very like it's very nineties sexy music. Yeah, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.120 it's like making out in the rain to like an 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:46.400 m and s song Horny is Horny. I appreciate it 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.440 and like, no need to play subtle here. The score 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.920 was written by Don Davis. As you said, he also 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.280 wrote the score for The Matrix, and you can there's 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.559 a lot of similarities between When like I was watching 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.400 Bound and I was like, oh my gosh, this sounds 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.680 very similar to the score of The Matrix. I agree, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.280 and and okay, one word Don Davis fact and then 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.920 we will turn. So I feel like this TV series 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.080 that only I have seen has come up an absurd 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.440 amount of times on this show. Is that The Beauty 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.240 and the Beast. Yes, it's the Ron Perlman at the 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.760 Ron Perlman Linda Hamilton's Beauty and the Beast series. He 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.280 also scored that. And you can also hear that. You 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.280 can hear the echoes the foundation of the Bound soundtrack. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.920 I feel like, if we ever end up covering Boundry 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.719 on this show, the Bound track, if you will, if 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.720 you if we ever end up covering TV shows Linda 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.960 Hamilton's Ron Perlman Beauty and the Beast, it's cannon. It's 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.800 just like, if not good at least funny, what if 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.240 we pivot for like a few months and just do 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.319 a spin off series and just cover that. Also, Don 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.120 Davis did music on recent covered movie Casper. Oh my god, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.160 the music, and that makes me think, like it's fall right. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.480 It's like so he sometimes is like riding on James 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.160 Horner's pegs, if you will to put this in the 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.600 middle schools, like he sometimes is the assistant to James Horner. So, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.360 you know, shout out to Don Davis for giving us 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.800 a sexy elevator. Um upright, bass pluck vibe. I appreciated it. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.040 Love it, love it. Um Okay. So Quirky and Violet 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.600 have encountered each other in the elevator. Then Violet comes 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.880 over to the unit quirkies in and introduces herself to Quirky, 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.720 brings her a cup of coffee. They chat it is 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.320 very horny and seductive. I assumed you light it like 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.920 I assumed you light to coffee black good. Yes, you're like. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.880 And then she's like, it's so cool that you can 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.400 fix things, but these walls are so thin, so could 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.200 you just wait a while until you start using your 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.400 tools because I'm a night person. They're both just like 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.640 a lot of skirls and silver, like, oh my god, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.840 yes that is very much their vibe where it's like, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.920 I like these women. I don't know if I could 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.760 hang out with them. I'm threatened by them. I am 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.120 deeply inpredated by them. I think they would hate me. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.160 I think they would absolutely hate me, but I admire 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.960 them from a disk. I would be sitting across the 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.560 bar from them, like, Wow, how cool. And then they 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.800 will not be there here right thrilled for them not 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.520 going to uh, you know, roll the diason whether they 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.360 would want to talk to me or not. They don't. Hey, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.760 you never know. But Corny Corky is playing it cool 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.920 and she's just like, yeah, whatever, I'll hold off on 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.840 using my drain snake or whatever. And then she's like, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.680 by the way, I drive a truck, and I talked 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.200 about her truck for a while. Then Corky goes to 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:03.280 a lesbian bar. We learned that she is an ex 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.880 con who recently spent five years in prison. She's a 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:12.280 professional thief. Then Quirky goes over to Violet's place to 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:17.000 fish out a piece of jewelry that Violet accidentally quote 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.560 unquote dropped down the sink. You can tell it wasn't 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.120 on purpose because of the upright bass music that continues 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:31.600 throughout the scene. Here's my brilliant observation about this. So 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.680 we just covered Imagine Me and You, and there's a 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.960 scene in that movie where one woman needs the help 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.720 of another woman to fish a piece of jewelry out 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.360 of a punch bowl, and that is the catalyst to 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.840 get them to like start getting to know each other 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.960 and eventually get together and kiss. And that's the same 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.320 thing that happens in this movie. Wait, Vanessa, you've seen 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.560 Imagine Me and You? Yes. Um. Riley Silverman told me 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.520 to watch it one holiday when I that there isn't 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:05.600 enough gay rom com um and she basically like live 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.240 texted me through it as I had my experience with 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.800 it the first time and lost my mind. Oh, I 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:14.560 was like in a Hallmark mood, and I was like, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.400 I want something, Hallmark. I just want anybody other than 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.120 this like configuration that I always see kissing to kiss. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:23.880 And I got it. It's almost like what I get 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.240 out of Bound, where it's like I want bulb, but 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.440 I want it. I want two girls to kiss in 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.400 like a sweet rom com me way. Yeah exactly. Yeah, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.800 this truly is a cut I mean in the way 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.600 like imagine Me and You we recently covered on the show, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.760 and it's such a blast, and like even more so 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.400 than that movie, I feel like Bound delivers on like 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:53.400 a great genre, like the mafia, haisty thriller kind of movie, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.280 without any of the baggage that usually comes with that genre. 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.720 And so you can just watch it, yes and have 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:07.960 an amazing time, which is all I've ever wanted exactly. Okay, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.640 So Quirky goes over to fish this piece of jewelry 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.720 out of the sink. Then Violet offers her a drink. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.560 She's being very seductive again, and then she's like, by 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.600 the way, I'm trying to seduce you, and she puts 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.840 Quirky's hand between her legs and they start kissing. It's 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.280 getting very hot and steamy. But then Caesar comes home 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.520 and interrupts, but he doesn't see them, and they have 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.040 a quick conversation and we gather that Caesar is in 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:42.640 the mob. Then Violet goes to Quirky later that night 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.879 or sometime later, they kiss again. They go back to 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.120 Quirky's place and have sex, and boy do they they 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:55.000 have sex, and a continuous shot that sex scene was 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.800 choreographed by Susie Bright. Yes, yes, and it's so amazing 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.960 watching it even now in terms of like how how 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.679 I haven't quite seen anything like it, because even when 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.240 I see lesbian sex on cameras, it tends to always 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.600 have this like heteronormative angle of like being like, well, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.680 this one does this, and this other one does this. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.800 And I was watching it with a friend of mine 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.200 who is twenty five and she's a lesbian and she's 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.480 never seen this movie before. I hadn't even heard of it, 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.960 and she was like, I have never ever, not even 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.680 important see a fem be the one that's doing something 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:37.000 to the mask one, right, It's always presented in that 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.720 like very hetero sense of like, yeah, the mask is 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.520 always the one that tops, right, And so she had 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:47.200 never ever, not even imporn, like seen this perspective of 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.720 what is so much closer to like a common experience, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.080 seeing someone at that age watching for the first time 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.560 and realized they still don't have something like that. Susie Bright, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.520 Hang you yeah, we'll talk about that later. Susie Bright, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.840 She's a legend. Yeah, that that scene in general, I like, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.280 I feel like it true. It wasn't until the second 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.720 viewing that that even registered for me because it is 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.320 so effortless in the way the storytelling us. But you're like, yeah, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:18.000 you never see a FM top, especially in like a 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.800 bigger movie, in the way that this was, Like, I 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:26.520 just was what a this movie like subverts so much 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.199 in a way that is so effortless that you don't 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.880 you may not even necessarily notice it on the first time, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.679 because the first time I was just so thrilled to 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.240 see them fucking um that it took me to the 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.520 second viewing to be like, oh right, this was actually 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.760 like not the most obvious way that this scene would 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.879 be staged on the part of of Susie Bright and 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.520 the Witch Howskies like, it's just this movie is amazing, 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.879 It's great. Okay. So the next day Quirky sees this 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:59.480 guy named Shelley go into Violets condo and then Quirky, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.520 here's the have sex through the walls. Then the next 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.280 time Quirky and Violet see each other, Quirky confronts Violet 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.000 about having sex with this guy with men in general 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.400 kind of calls her a fraud, but Violet is like, 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.960 that wasn't sex, that was work, And then they have 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.679 a kind of an argument slash discussion about it, and 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:24.280 then they part on kind of bad terms. Then Quirky 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.439 sees a handful of mobsters bring that guy Shelly into 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.119 Violet in Caesar's place. One of these mobsters is Johnny 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.720 a k a. Christopher Maloney. Another is this guy named Mickey, 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:42.600 and Caesar and the other mob boys start beating the 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:47.840 ship out of Shelly. What a wise guy types, Oh yeah, 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:53.120 Shelly apparently stole money from the mob boss, so they 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.720 start chopping his fingers off trying to get him to 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.080 tell them where the money is. Meanwhile, Violet goes to 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.080 Quirky and confides in her that she can't do this anymore. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.000 She can't be with Caesar, she can't be around all 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.639 this violence. She wants out, She wants a new life, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.280 and she needs Quirky's help to get out of this situation. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.720 So they start to devise a plan. They are going 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.040 to steal the two million dollars that Shelley had stolen 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.760 from the mob boss, but Quirky isn't sure that she 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.720 can trust Violet not to set her up, but they 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.840 decided to trust each other and move forward with the plan, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.880 which is so the mob boss Geno Marzoni is supposed 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.440 to come and pick up the money generic Italian name. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.199 You're like yep yep ye. So he's supposed to come 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.000 and pick up the money from Caesar at his and 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:52.400 Violets condo along with his son, who is Johnny ak 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.800 Christopher Maloney, but Quirky is going to sneak in and 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.119 steal the money while Caesar is in the shower for 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.360 Gino and company show up, and then Violet is going 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.800 to convince Caesar that Johnny must have come in and 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.960 stolen the money when she goes out to buy scotch 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.440 because she like fake breaks this bottle of scotch. I 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:19.160 love that whole Like how many It's like not even 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.160 how many queer troops are like shattered in this movie. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.040 It's just like film noir tropes in general, where it's like, 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.000 in so many scenes, Violet is playing the part of 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.119 like the typical like mobster's girlfriend who you see in 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.960 the background of scenes but never has any agency and 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.600 it's always like, oh no, what's happening, And like even 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.159 he is like Joey Pants is trying to cast her 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.320 in that role, but she will not be cast in 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.520 that role. Yeah, it reminded me of the scene where 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:52.359 I don't remember the guy's name, but in Double Indemnity, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:56.160 when the guy was like, here's the plan. We're gonna 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:02.200 double indemnity his ass, and that's it happens. But then, 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.840 and in this movie, it's Quirky laying out this whole 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.800 carefully orchestrated plan. She's in control. It's so great. I 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:13.880 love it. So this plan should work with Violet convincing 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.440 Caesar that Johnny stole the money. It should work because 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.720 we learned that Johnny is kind of a loose cannon 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.960 and might do something wild like this, and that Johnny 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.240 and Caesar hate each other, so it would stand a 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.840 reason that Johnny would want to funk over Caesar. So 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.080 with Caesar convinced that Johnny screwed him over and took 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.280 the money, he will have no choice but to run 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.320 because otherwise Gino will kill him for stealing his money, 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.320 and then Caesar running will make him seem guilty, which 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:50.719 takes away any suspicion from Violet and Quirky being the culprits. 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.959 So the plan goes off without a hitch to start, 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:02.000 until Violet tries to get away from Caesar. He holds 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:05.439 her at gunpoint and won't let her leave because his 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:10.359 plan is when Gino and Johnny arrived to collect the money, 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.520 which is no longer there because Corky came in and 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:17.000 stole it, right, Caesar is now going to expose Johnny 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.560 as a thief to Gino by opening the case and 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.040 showing him that the money is gone. But when this 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.280 is happening, things escalate and Caesar ends up shooting and 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.000 killing Gino and Johnny and some third guy that's there. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.919 I dkay, but he kills them. I guess kind of 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.320 forgetting that the third guy was there, And then every 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.200 time it cut back to the third guy, I was like, oh, oh, 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.879 there's another guy. Was he just like? Did he just 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.960 like hit the cutting room FLOORA? Unfortunately we don't. I 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.760 don't really know that man, but it really sucks what 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:59.479 happened to him, poor unnamed random mobster dude. So Caesar 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.159 kills all these people, and if he can get rid 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.440 of the bodies and get the money back, he can 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.800 pretend like this never happened, basically, But then the cops 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.479 show up and Violet has to stall them while Caesar 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.400 hides the bodies and cleans up all the blood. Meanwhile, 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.959