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Speaker 1: Ah, welcome to it could happen here a podcast where myself,

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis, and James Stout just created a new soon

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Speaker 1: to be beloved fiction character, racist Sherlock's holmes. And don't worry,

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Speaker 1: We're not done workshopping at It's not ready to go

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Speaker 1: public yet. But when this bit drops you people are

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Speaker 1: gonna lose your minds Ah, how's everyone doing today?

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Speaker 2: Much better after learning about racist shadow crimes?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh? After no, we didn't learn about him. He

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Speaker 1: burst fully formed from our heads like Athena from the

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Speaker 1: brain of Zeus. Ah. Good stuff. Speaking of the Greek

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Speaker 1: and Roman pagan pantheon, James Garrison, you know who does

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Speaker 1: kind of have the feel of a malevolent spear it

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Speaker 1: in Greek mythology is Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not wrong, sure, run, That's what they call him.

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Speaker 3: For all my years study studying the papyrie, this is

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Speaker 3: I can't confirm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, meetball Ron, I'm gonna I have a long essay

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Speaker 1: on my substack about how meatball Ron and the Egyptian

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Speaker 1: But that that that'll that'll you can find that on

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Speaker 1: my substack. My Egyptology focused substack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not what's this, what's the god of the sun,

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Speaker 2: the god of the Sun disc the one they tried

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that isn't that raw? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I can see seeing himself in those terms.

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Speaker 1: No, Mat, I think.

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Speaker 3: The sentence is more of like a Horus figure. Actually yeah,

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Speaker 1: No, because Matt here's the thing. Matt has wings uh,

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Speaker 1: and Ronda Santis is currently flying over us, uh, shading

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing, Matt. Let's there's too many colors in these

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we got onto a comparing Ronda

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's he's so reliant on the types of

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Speaker 3: Trump is primarily like a media guy.

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Speaker 1: Like he is.

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Speaker 3: He is someone who's been able to very successfully manipulate

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Speaker 3: public image and manipulate media in his favor for years.

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Speaker 3: Especially as like he's not like a good businessman, He's like, no,

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Speaker 3: he's like a con man who's like really good. He's

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Speaker 3: a good promoter, so like he knows how to do this.

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Speaker 3: DeSantis has none of this background, so he's just trying

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Speaker 3: to copy like the hostile vibe of Trump without understanding

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Speaker 3: the actual like media backing that Trump puts into his UH,

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Speaker 3: into his like relationship with UH, with like with like

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Speaker 3: advertising and with having you know, any any amount of

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Speaker 3: coverage that will get Republicans be like, oh, this is

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Speaker 3: a guy that's worth voting for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll also that will the kind of coverage

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Speaker 1: that will make independence pay attention to him.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: A big thing part of how a lot of negative

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Speaker 1: media coverage worked for Trump is that people would just

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Speaker 1: see his name in the fucking news, and you know,

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Speaker 1: so they would wind up reading and listening to a

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Speaker 1: lot of what he had to say. And because like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's getting so much coverage, and because all

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Speaker 1: of these media outlets want to present the image of

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Speaker 1: being unfair and unbiased. Like when Trump would go out

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Speaker 1: and sit down with a New York Times, sit down

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Speaker 1: with the post it down, he would often get coverage

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Speaker 1: that like, let him say his piece, let him make

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Speaker 1: his case like they would because they didn't want to

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Speaker 1: feel like they were being biased and he was giving

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Speaker 1: them some of his time. But when you just cut

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Speaker 1: the media off like the Santas has done, you don't

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Speaker 1: get that from them. You don't get any of like

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Speaker 1: the benefit of this sort of like idea of impartiality,

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Speaker 1: which cuts down on your ability to actually like reach

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Speaker 1: people who might be converted to vote for you. This

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Speaker 1: is highlighted particularly well in a segment from a recent

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Speaker 1: New York Times article Ontosanta's difficulty getting press coverage. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Assigned to cover the reelection campaign of Governor Ronda Santas

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Speaker 1: found himself stymied. The governor would not grant him an interview,

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Speaker 1: aids barred him from some campaign events, and interrupted his

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Speaker 1: conversations with supporters. When mister Cohen was finally able to

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Speaker 1: ask a question about the governor's handling of Hurricane Ian,

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Speaker 1: mister DeSantis shouted him down, stop, stop, stop, and scolded

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Speaker 1: the media for trying to cast dispersions. The Dessanta's campaign

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Speaker 1: then taunted mister Cohen on Twitter, prompting a torrent of

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Speaker 1: online vitriol. So on election night, mister Cohen de camp

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Speaker 1: to a friendlier environment for the news media mar A Lago,

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Speaker 1: where former President Donald J. Trump greeted reporters by name.

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Speaker 1: He came up to us, asked how the sandwiches were,

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Speaker 1: and took twenty questions, mister Cohen recalled mister Trump, who

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Speaker 1: heckled the fake news in his speech. That evening elevated

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Speaker 1: media bashing into a high art for Republicans. But ahead

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Speaker 1: of the next presidential race, potential candidates like mister DeSantis

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Speaker 1: are taking a more radical approach, not just attacking nonpartisan

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Speaker 1: news sources but out ignoring them altogether. And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that kind of like gets at the core of

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Speaker 1: what a bad strategy this is. And it shows all

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Speaker 1: of the Republicans right now because of Trump's success in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, which we do have to remember, was not

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Speaker 1: based on converting a majority of Americans. It was based

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Speaker 1: in part on like the electoral system and just raw

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Speaker 1: luck that shit broke the way it did. But they

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Speaker 1: are looking at like his success in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 1: trying to copy that. But it's like a cargo cult thing, right.

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Speaker 1: They don't actually understand what he did that work. They

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Speaker 1: see him bashing the media and his speech, so they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be even harder. I'm not going to talk

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Speaker 1: to the media at all. And it's like, well, you

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Speaker 1: have eliminated for yourself the primary benefit that Trump drew

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Speaker 1: out from this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Coga cult script is great. They're

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Speaker 2: like they're trying to have the appearance of doing the

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Speaker 2: Trump thing without understanding why, Yeah, the thing worked.

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Speaker 3: And like also importantly, it's not like twenty sixteen anymore.

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Speaker 3: As much as it feels like twenty sixteen was the

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Speaker 3: here that never ended, actually a lot has changed. And

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Speaker 3: also a lot of media has gotten a bit wise

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Speaker 3: to the tactics that Trump did. Like they're no longer

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Speaker 3: going to be blasting all of his speeches every time

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Speaker 3: he says something outrageous because they know that's part of

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Speaker 3: his strategy. So, yeah, the same tactics. If de Santis

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Speaker 3: thinks he's going to get publicity for saying some horrible

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Speaker 3: thing in his speech, the media knows what's up now,

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Speaker 3: Like they've already seen this, like playbook get played. It's

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Speaker 3: not like it's you can't treat it like eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a good example of this is in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, if it had come out, if Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: had been the front writer, say he beats you know,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, but everything else is the same. So he's

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Speaker 1: the Democratic primary guy, Say it comes out that his

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Speaker 1: son has been smoking crack with prostitutes, and like there's

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Speaker 1: pictures of his hog everywhere and he was involved in

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Speaker 1: so he gets charges against him for committing a couple

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Speaker 1: of crimes that might sink a presidential campaign in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Nobody gives a shit about Hunter Biden, Like zero moderate

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Speaker 1: it's not a single vote is being changed as a

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Speaker 1: result of the Hunter Biden situation in twenty twenty or

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Speaker 1: it's a different landscape and these people haven't. This is

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Speaker 1: a good thing. I am frightened for in a new

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Speaker 1: you know, there's another coup in conservative politics, and somebody

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Speaker 1: understands that it's a different year. Yea, yeah, but we

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Speaker 1: are we are fortunate at this moment. And you know

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Speaker 1: who else is fortunate.

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Speaker 2: Who's that robot?

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Speaker 1: The sponsors of this podcast, they're fortunate to have great

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we're pretty gonna have to uh, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to bleat some shit out here, but absolutely when

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Speaker 2: the uh, I personally love been a big chicken wing

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Speaker 2: fam my whole life until the baby's arms from yaprint arrived.

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Speaker 2: They are delicious, little little fatty ams from freshlyew horbsted babies.

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Speaker 2: eating children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just remember our our motto. Uh, nothing's wafficking like

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Speaker 1: human traffic. Shit.

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Speaker 1: box company who's been accused of a lot of malfeasance

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Speaker 1: and another food box company who are I think it's

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Speaker 1: safe to say Christ like, you know, honestly, and.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Jesus inspired to at the very least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the reason Jesus actually rose from the dead

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Speaker 2: was to consume a breakfast. That's right by Blue Apron.

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Speaker 1: Jesus. Jacob big omelet guy, huge omlet guy. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, that's not really a joke. So Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: has long ignored any meat and not guaranteed to be

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Speaker 1: fawningly indulgent of him. For political reasons, this worked well

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Speaker 1: in Florida. He's been able to get by by attacking

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Speaker 1: centrist in liberal media and embracing a constellation of far

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Speaker 1: right podcasters and Fox News. But Florida is not the

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Speaker 1: United States, and a governor's race is not a federal election.

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Speaker 1: He simply can't succeed against Trump with the same tactics

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Speaker 1: that worked in Florida's or against Florida's anemic state Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: When he's tried to rebut the naysayers who see his

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Speaker 1: cause as largely doomed, DeSantis has tried to publicly downplay

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Speaker 1: the significance of national polls. It is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite things. Whenever people point out, like, your polls have

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Speaker 1: not moved in a year, and you've spent millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars, He'll be like, I don't trust those polls.

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Speaker 1: Those polls don't really matter. You can't trust the poll

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Speaker 1: to get how wrong the polls were in twenty sixteen articles.

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Speaker 3: I've seen him use that line a lot. Look, look

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Speaker 3: how wrong the polls were in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ron, Yeah, I don't think they were not off

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Speaker 1: by thirty four points. You can see clearly how he's

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Speaker 1: making his case currently to donors in private, because a

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Speaker 1: memo that he's sent out to a bunch of his

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Speaker 1: high dollar donors leaked recently. There's been a number of

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Speaker 1: websites that have written about it. But we have like

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Speaker 1: this memo, which is fascinating. It was sent out to

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Speaker 1: a bunch of big dollar donors, to a super pack,

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Speaker 1: So these are the people who are not limited by

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Speaker 1: like campaign contributions because it's to a superpack. So these

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Speaker 1: are like the thick pockets people. So we get an

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Speaker 1: idea of how he is marketing his campaign right now

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Speaker 1: that it's in a crisis, and it starts with a

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Speaker 1: state of the race update with a subtitle the ballot

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Speaker 1: is very fluid. Early state voters are only softly committed

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Speaker 1: to the candidates they select on a ballot question this

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Speaker 1: far out, including many Trump supporters. Our focused group participants

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Speaker 1: in the Early States even say they don't plan on

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Speaker 1: making up their mind until they meet the candidates or

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Speaker 1: watch them debate. Well, we know Trump's flor is twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent. That leaves three quarters of the electorate willing

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Speaker 1: to consider other viable options. What has not changed to

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Speaker 1: the candidates who are realistically being courted by the electorate.

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Speaker 1: As it has been for the last year, Trump and

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Speaker 1: DeSantis remain the only viable options for two thirds of

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Speaker 1: the likely Republican primary electorate. Well, Tim Scott has earned

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Speaker 1: a serious look at this stage, as Bio is lacking

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Speaker 1: the fight that our electorate is looking for in the

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Speaker 1: next president. We expect Tim Scott to receive appropriate scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: In the weeks of head we found low to no

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Speaker 1: interest in Vivek Bergham and Nikki, while too many voters

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Speaker 1: will not consider Pencer Christie for them to be remotely viable. Now,

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Speaker 1: I agree about pens and Christy. Neither of those people

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Speaker 1: is going to be the primary candidate. But again Vivek

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Speaker 1: and some polls is right up there with Ron de Santis.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, note that neither of them's gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Great sign.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The MIMO goes on to note and to sort of

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Speaker 1: admit that their efforts and other primary states have hit

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Speaker 1: a wall and they're basically like, we're given up in

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Speaker 1: Iowa and Ohio kind of we're not going to be

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Speaker 1: putting new resources into them. We're just going to throw

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Speaker 1: everything we've got into New Hampshire. There's a couple of

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Speaker 1: reasons for this, but I think it's largely that they

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Speaker 1: don't think they can win in those other early states,

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Speaker 1: and they know they desperately need an early wind to

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Speaker 1: have any hope of building up momentum. Yeah, language like

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Speaker 1: this from the memo has to have experienced Republican politico's

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Speaker 1: nervous While Super Tuesday is critically important, we will not

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Speaker 1: dedicate resources to Super Tuesday. That's slow our momentum in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. We expect to revisit this investment in the fall.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you will not a great sign guys the memo.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll be revisiting a lot of things in

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Speaker 3: the fall.

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Speaker 1: The memo also claims Governor DeSantis and his messager thriving

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Speaker 1: in town hall engagements. So basically, when Rod gets in

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Speaker 1: front of people, they see his magnetic charisma. They really

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Speaker 1: like him once he gets a chance to shine in

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Speaker 1: front of them. Now, there's been no evidence in polling.

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Speaker 1: He's been in front of people quite a bit, and

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Speaker 1: he's not very impressive. Most of the social media response

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Speaker 1: to his public appearances have been people making fun of

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Speaker 1: the way he eats in public, Like there's like six

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Speaker 1: or seven different videos out that are him trying to

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Speaker 1: eat something and looking like a goober and people making

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Speaker 1: fun of him, Whereas like again Trump has because he's

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Speaker 1: actually charismatic. Trump can like sit in a truck and

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Speaker 1: look like a dufus playing truck driver and everybody's like,

654
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: look at that guy. Even people who hate him are like, well,

655
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Speaker 1: that's kind of endearing. Look at him. He's hogging the horn.

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Speaker 1: He's pretending to be a big truck driver. You know.

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Speaker 1: Meet ball Ron. I mean we call him meatball Ron

658
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Speaker 1: because of a food related gaff.

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Speaker 2: Putting Ron.

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Speaker 1: Putting Ron too. He's just a disaster in public. There

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Speaker 1: are some useful bits in this leaked document. This is

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Speaker 1: the part of the document where the Desanta's campaign is

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Speaker 1: like trying to lay out what they see as his

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Speaker 1: assets as a candidate. And again the goal of this

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Speaker 1: is to get big dollar donors to give him more money.

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Speaker 1: So this is them making the case as to why

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Speaker 1: Ron is worth further investment. We found that when voters

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Speaker 1: hear about the governor's bio, principally as a dad and

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Speaker 1: as a veteran, they like him and are open to

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Speaker 1: hearing more about him. This says to say nothing of

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Speaker 1: his successes on parental rights, his leadership bringing Florida's economy

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Speaker 1: back during and after COVID, fighting illegal immigration, and ensuring

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Speaker 1: Border Act security. That he's not just a fighter, but

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Speaker 1: most importantly a winner. A major paid media effort featuring

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Speaker 1: the governor's bio will help us to convert three big

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Speaker 1: issues that you know. That's again, so the three big

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Speaker 1: issues he's highlighting that he says like, these are the

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Speaker 1: things that are going to get voters onto us enough

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Speaker 1: of them that we can overcome Trump's twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: floor our anti immigration stuff. Well, I'm sorry, man, Trump's

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Speaker 1: got you beat there. The wall is his.

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Speaker 2: Right descentist has tried to go one step further. And

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Speaker 2: if you saw his press conference in Texas where he

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Speaker 2: the birthrights team thing, yeah no to shooting people.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he said quite drop a few of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to. But again he just talked about

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me. He opens this memo by starting like, look,

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Speaker 1: Trump's got a twenty five percent floor of but you know,

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Speaker 1: there's that other three quarters of people we can get.

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Speaker 1: And yet when you are talking about gunning people down

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Speaker 1: at the border, you're just trying to take that twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent from Trump. You are not reaching out to

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Speaker 1: like the people who are less maniac right, he's trying,

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Speaker 1: Like again, it's just bad strategy. It's a bad strategy

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Speaker 1: within the context of what his people have laid out

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Speaker 1: as a strategy. Right, Like, if the good strategy is

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Speaker 1: go for the other seventy five percent of the voters, well,

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Speaker 1: you probably don't do that by promising to be even

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Speaker 1: harder on the border.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he doesn't really even have like obviously Trump

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Speaker 2: didn't have a coherent border policy either, but he had

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Speaker 2: a thing, right, Like, he had a sort of shiny thing.

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Speaker 3: That he had three words that were very power build

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Speaker 3: the wall.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if desantists thinks Americans are ready for

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Speaker 1: shoot them, all, right, you can try that. But he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's like trying to do this weasel thing anyway, it's

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Speaker 1: just not there's just not any evidence of an actual tactic,

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Speaker 1: there of an understanding of like what people find appealing

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Speaker 1: and how to highlight it. He's not doing it yet,

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Speaker 1: He's not if you're a donor. He's not exhibiting the

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Speaker 1: idea that he knows how to copy what Trump did

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Speaker 1: and do it one better, like your goal here at

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Speaker 1: if you're running against Trump based on kind of what

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Speaker 1: they lay out, is what their strategy needs to be,

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Speaker 1: which is get the other seventy five percent of people

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Speaker 1: to back us instead of Trump. You need to be

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Speaker 1: you don't need to be yes ending you are acknowledging

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Speaker 1: by laying that out as the strategy that Trump his

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Speaker 1: appeal is. He's got a dedicated base of appeal, but

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Speaker 1: it's limited, and so if you are trying to make

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Speaker 1: the case that you're more electable than him, you need

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Speaker 1: to show how you have a wider base of a

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Speaker 1: wider appeal than he does. And you don't do that

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Speaker 1: by being like, I'm even shittier on the border, like anyway,

727
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Speaker 1: just a bad strategy since he doesn't have a strong

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Speaker 1: case to make an absolute numbers. Ron's campaign has made

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Speaker 1: the call to push heavily on the Forgotten Man narrative,

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Speaker 1: arguing a soft conspiratorial view that a cabal of shady

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Speaker 1: elites is colluding to ruin American greatness. Here's another quote

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Speaker 1: from that memo equally important, we will offer an economic

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Speaker 1: message to disrupt and win economy voters. American decline was

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Speaker 1: not an accident, It was a choice. Our elites do

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Speaker 1: not consider themselves Americans so much as they think of

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Speaker 1: themselves as citizens of the world. Their loyalty is not

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Speaker 1: to a discrete nation, but to the bottom line on

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Speaker 1: a balance sheet. And the decisions they made in leading

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Speaker 1: this country over the past few decades has reflected that worldview.

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Speaker 1: They have governed in their interests rather than ours. And

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Speaker 1: I do think there's a germ of something interesting there.

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Speaker 1: There's this idea of like economic populism, which was a

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Speaker 1: factor in Trump's campaign. It's interesting to me how close

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Speaker 1: Ron's idea is to outright anti Semitic conspiracy theory language like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't recognize borders, they're citizens of the world, which

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Speaker 1: is a you know, very similar to a lot of

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Speaker 1: the arguments that like the Nazis would make about the Jews,

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Speaker 1: is that like they're a borderless people who exist within

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Speaker 1: this like financial system rather than like our national like

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Speaker 1: co citizens. Right. It's interesting to me that he's got

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Speaker 1: that this in that memo. Again, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a good strategy. I think the way Trump, Trump's just

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Speaker 1: better at doing this right at like he's made himself

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people who consider Trump like

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Speaker 1: their kind of guy, like a working class dude, even

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Speaker 1: though he's a billionaire with a gold toilet. I don't

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Speaker 1: see that DeSantis has the ability to like win that

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Speaker 1: kind of support from working people.

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Speaker 2: Now. He tried really hard to go to push his

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Speaker 2: like his military record as part of a like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: sort of I'm a normal dude kind of thing, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to have stuck the landing at all. Again,

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Speaker 2: he just yeah, I just did it in a clumsy

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Speaker 2: and awkward way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in part because like the thing he's

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Speaker 1: got to hang on like that he was this fucking

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Speaker 1: dude doing sketchy shit at Guantanamo. Isn't like even conservatives

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Speaker 1: don't feel great about that, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he tried earlier to push like he was a leager,

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Speaker 2: he was a jag officer, like attached to a seal team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he tried to call himself a seal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he like, I think he flew a

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Speaker 2: little bit too close to the sun on that one.

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Speaker 2: And again like, yeah, he fucked up and alienated the

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Speaker 2: people he was trying to appeal to.

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Speaker 1: And I also I do kind of wonder it was

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Speaker 1: like sort of taking as red for some time that

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Speaker 1: having military experience was like a positive aspect in a

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Speaker 1: in a campaign that it would like win you a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservative voters and whatnot. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's really the case. Yeah's a lot of evidence for it,

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Speaker 1: Like people certainly like shouted when they serve, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know that it really works for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's more of a like a I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I'm using the right phrasing. He like

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Speaker 2: a traditional Republican value, not like a post Trump Republican value.

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Speaker 1: Because Trump, like on record is being like, no, only

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Speaker 1: idiots serve in the military. I'm a smart man, and

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Speaker 1: like that didn't seem to hurt him at all. But

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Speaker 1: you know who else hates veterans?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, several of the food box delivery companies. They

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Speaker 2: actually they just won't give them food.

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Speaker 1: They are they are actively every one of our supporters

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Speaker 1: is wiping their ass with whatever flag the Navy uses.

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Speaker 1: I assume they have a flag, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, special navy flag. It works

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Speaker 2: underwater too very special.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. And underwater flag that's what we

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Speaker 1: need to bring nationalism to the fish. We're back. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to close out by kind of looking at

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Speaker 1: a segment of Desanda supporters. You find people behind my

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Speaker 1: favorite reliable media institution, legal insurrection dot com. Oh good, now,

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Speaker 1: this is a kind of libertarian right themed news website.

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Speaker 1: They're like, boy, I do want you to look up

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Speaker 1: legal insurrection dot com because their website's very interesting, like

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Speaker 1: starts with this like phonetic breakdown of the phrase legal insurrection.

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Speaker 1: Like that's their logo that includes like a definition a

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Speaker 1: rising up against established authority, rebellion, revolt in conformity with

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Speaker 1: or permitted by law. That's a nonsense phrase, because there's

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Speaker 1: no such thing as a permitted legal insurrection. We had

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Speaker 1: this argument actually, like back in around eighteen sixty and

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Speaker 1: guess where it ended. Like, I'm not saying it's bad

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Speaker 1: to have an insurrection. I think some insurrections are potentially

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Speaker 1: really good, but they're never legal. Otherwise they're not an insurrection.

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Speaker 2: Yet the same silly idea direction is illegality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like one way or the other. I think it's

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Speaker 1: this idea. These people who like pretend to be libertarians,

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Speaker 1: they still have this like sacred sort of reverence for

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Speaker 1: the law. They can't just say like, yeah, I believe

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Speaker 1: in overthrowing the government. No, no, no, what I'm doing is

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Speaker 1: actually obeying the real law. The people in charge are

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Speaker 1: obeying laws that are illegal and fake. But like, I

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Speaker 1: know the real law. So what I'm not. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a criminal? Like no, man, just be like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a criminal. I want to I want to overthrow

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Speaker 1: the government. You know what's cool is being a criminal

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Speaker 1: who wants to overthrow the government. We all love criminal

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Speaker 1: This is why Star Wars is the biggest movie series.

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Speaker 1: We love criminals who want to overthrow the government. That's

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Speaker 1: who the founding fathers of this country.

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Speaker 2: War is a very American thing to love.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to be like no, but ours is

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Speaker 1: a legal and now fuck it, you're a criminal. You're cool.

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Speaker 1: You're fucking al Capone.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's very very cooked.

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Speaker 1: It is very cooked. Anyway. Here's an article from legal

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Speaker 1: insurrection dot com who bafflingly backs Ronda Santis Florida government.

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Speaker 1: Rond De Santis is serious about restoring executive branch agencies

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Speaker 1: and rebuilding trust with the American people who've been shocked

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Speaker 1: and appalled at the weaponization of government by the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration and before that, the Obama administration. The federal government,

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Speaker 1: specifically the executive branch alphabet agencies, has been completely corrupted

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Speaker 1: by the Obama, Biden and now the Biden Harris administrations.

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Speaker 1: We all know it, and we're all disgusted and disheartened

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Speaker 1: by the myriad ways the Obama administration targeted political opponents.

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Speaker 1: That's why Trump's twenty sixteen campaign to drain the swamp

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Speaker 1: was so potent. We knew the depth and breadth of

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Speaker 1: the corruption, the partisan Banana Republic style attacks on political opponents,

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Speaker 1: and we wanted it stopped. Unfortunately, Trump was not able

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Speaker 1: to drain the swamp at all, not even a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So when Biden took office in twenty twenty one, he

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Speaker 1: just got to work picking up Obama's attacks on ascent

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Speaker 1: with a deep state still fully embedded through the executive branch,

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Speaker 1: having spent the intervening years openly working as the resistance

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Speaker 1: to Trump's the duly elected president's agenda. God, it's such,

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Speaker 1: first off, very funny that they're trying to like make

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Speaker 1: the resistance to be anything but like Twitter libs like

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Speaker 1: I do find it by that they're like fucking trying

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Speaker 1: to treat this like a boogeyman.

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Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, like leading the Maquis through to through

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Speaker 2: that I don't know, forester S Georgia and blowing up

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Speaker 2: fucking train tracks is extremely amusing to me.

863
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: It's just sad, but it does get it something right.

864
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: This attitude among a lot of Republicans, particularly the guys

865
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: who really like DeSantis, that the deep state is really powerful.

866
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: These federal law enforcement agencies are fundamentally like fighting against us,

867
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Speaker 1: and we have to build an ability to compete with them.

868
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: And this is I actually think we've been mostly talking

869
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: about like the weaknesses and the dumb shit about DeSantis's campaign.

870
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: I think a strength he has not maybe capitalized on

871
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: enough is this idea, because this is something Trump proved

872
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: he was unable to do, like he didn't go in

873
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: there and unseat the deep state. And DeSantis has actually

874
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: been kind of effective at resisting the federal government and

875
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Speaker 1: even sidelining some federal agencies within Florida. And there's some

876
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: actual like potential for strength here with Trump's base. I

877
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: don't know that this gets you moderates, but like, it's

878
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: weird to me that he hasn't pushed this harder. Part

879
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: of that maybe the fact that he's, like everything else,

880
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: really bad at it. Kind of his strongest attempt to

881
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: provide sort of a countervailing force to federal law enforcement

882
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: was his activation of the Florida State Guard, which seventeen

883
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: or so states have state Guards. It's just kind of

884
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: like a state version of a National Guard. Potentially, Florida's

885
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: had not been active in a while, and he reactivated them,

886
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: claiming that it was going to be a force of

887
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: volunteers who could respond to hurricanes and other public emergencies.

888
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: But what he was actually doing was trying to create

889
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: a paramilitary organization. He is in the process of attempting

890
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: to do this now. These people are undergoing like military

891
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: training and whatnot. He's trying to get them access to weaponry.

892
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: Like this is potentially kind of concerning, but he's really

893
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: fucking bad at it. There was a really interesting New

894
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: York Times article recently that kind of goes into the

895
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: problems the Florida State Guard have had sort of spinning up,

896
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: and it's a very funny read, because it's like it's

897
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 1: like a little kid's idea about how you would build

898
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: a paramilitary organization. So on paper, the Governor's office has

899
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: said that one of the Guard's missions would be quote

900
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Speaker 1: to ensure Florida remains fully fortified to respond not only

901
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: to natural disasters, but also to protect its people in

902
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Speaker 1: borders from illegal aliens and civil unrest. And then the

903
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: New York Times article continues, the deployment this spring has

904
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: been mired in internal turmoil, with some recruits complaining that

905
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Speaker 1: what was supposed to be a civilian disaster response organization

906
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: had become heavily militarized, requiring volunteers to participate in marching

907
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: drills and military style training sessions on weapons and hand

908
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: to hand combat. At least twenty percent of the one

909
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people initially accepted into the program dropped

910
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: out or were dismissed. And if you get into this,

911
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: the people dropping out are like the veterans, They're like

912
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: military officers and stuff who got into this thing, and

913
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: then are like, I was in the military for twenty years,

914
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Speaker 1: you know, I did deployments here and here, and I

915
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: came into this thing and it's a bunch of civilians

916
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: dressed as soldiers yelling at me to do push ups

917
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: in march in a field and like trying to be

918
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: an asshole to me because they're angry that like I

919
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: have military experience and they think they know better. Like

920
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: it is so like the volunteers said the training seemed

921
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: poorly structured, with an order to minimum amount of time spent,

922
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: as one of them described it, marching in fields. Some

923
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: of the men said that as veterans with years of

924
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: experience in the military, they were offended when they were

925
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: yelled at by junior instructors acting like drill sergeants who

926
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Speaker 1: disregarded their previous ranks. I find this really fucking funny.

927
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: If you guys seen those videos coming out about like

928
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: they're these classes where if you're like a rich or

929
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, upper middle class dude, you can pay like

930
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: ten grand to spend five days doing a fake version

931
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: of the Seals Hell week. Like your role you're like incredible,

932
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you're like carrying, like hitting stuff with big hammers,

933
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: You're like crawling on your back through rocks. You're doing

934
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: all these like shitty, painful exercises, while like some dude

935
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: who probably fucking got an other than honorable separation from

936
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps as a private second class like screams

937
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: at you a lot, and it's you know, that's what

938
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: you feel. Yeah, yeah, rolling around on a one wheel

939
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: yelling at you that you're you know, just like making

940
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: a bullshit reasons to be angry at you because idiots

941
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: honestly have it, Like yeah.

942
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: It sounds like a weird mix of like expensive LARPing

943
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: and like a like a repressed kink thing for these guys.

944
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, watched the.

945
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Speaker 1: Movie Full Metal Jacket, and a number one didn't watch

946
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: all of it because like our Lee Ermie or whatever

947
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: his name was. Character, they're like, the really mean drill

948
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: sergeant gets murdered after like emotionally abusing one of his recruits,

949
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: like kind of a big part of the movie, but

950
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: just saw him like making fun like yelling at people

951
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: and making up fun insults, and we're like, well, that's

952
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: got to be key to teaching people how to fight Garrison.

953
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: Have you seen Full Metal Jacket?

954
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: I have not seen Full Metal Jacket.

955
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 1: You'd actually probably like it's good. There's some interesting parts

956
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: of that movie well well shot, but yeah, I do

957
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: think it's really funny, Like there's potentially this is one

958
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: of those things potentially very scary to have a far

959
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: right elected leader building his own paramilitary force that is

960
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: answerable only to him. Righteah, that is a frightening thing.

961
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

962
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned about him trying this,

963
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: but he's so shitty.

964
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: It it's like dictator one oh one. Yeah, yeah, like

965
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: it makes sense that he would try it. I mean, like, yeah,

966
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: I would never want to be a governor because I

967
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: think that's an a moral thing to do. But if

968
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: I if I was to be, yeah, pitarian governor, my

969
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: own hit squad.

970
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Step one, make your own army. And it says a

971
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: lot about Ron number one that of all of the

972
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: different things he's tried to do, this is the only

973
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: one that seems like, Oh, you might actually be able

974
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: to get a lot of Trump voters to switch over

975
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: to you if you promise them I'm going to do

976
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: this nationwide. And you, as a guy who didn't join

977
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: the army but is pretty sure he would have been

978
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: good at it, can like become a militant commander in

979
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: your like state guard thing that I'm going to establish.

980
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: You might get some votes. I don't think you'd win

981
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: a lot of moderates, but you might get the base

982
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: away from Trump.

983
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: Right, it's just so clearly a brown Shirts rip off. Yeah,

984
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 3: it's just like it's so blatant that it's like it's

985
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: it's like it's like it's like he's like poorly copying

986
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: someone else's homework. Yeah, Like, I don't A lot of

987
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: his campaign has that vibe and he's like just poorly

988
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 3: copying someone else's homework.

989
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know that this would work, and I

990
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: still think he would have. It would be a long

991
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: shot that he would have any chance of beating Trump.

992
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: But if you were to be like I'm going to

993
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: establish a state Guard where conservatives can get access to

994
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: military grade weaponry and the right to carry their handguns everywhere,

995
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: you might get I don't again, I don't think you

996
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: went a general that way, but you might get the

997
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: base away from Trump with that. It's at least more

998
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: creative than anything else he's tried. Anyway, this is all

999
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I want to close by reading one

1000
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: last anecdote from that New York Times article on Ron Meatball.

1001
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Ron's attempt to make an Army. A fifty one year

1002
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: old former Marine captain who had retired from the military

1003
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: with a disability and later joined the State Guard, also

1004
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: clashed with instructors during initial boot camp last month, raising

1005
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: concerns about the training. In an assault complaint filed with

1006
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: the Clay County Sheriff's office, the man said he was

1007
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: accused by the State Guard commander of being the leader

1008
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: of the group that had been criticized in the organization

1009
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: and its leadership. He was then forcibly pushed into a

1010
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: van against his objections and driven to the command boost,

1011
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: where he was fired and escorted off base. Of the

1012
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: nine original State Guard recruiters and commanders who spent months

1013
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: recruiting for the organization, fewer things the third remained. The

1014
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: staff director, who had been a proposion of the less

1015
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: militarized version of the group appointed in January, was removed

1016
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: from his post just two days before the inaugural graduation.

1017
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: The program's personnel director was fired this week.

1018
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: So good, sounds like it's going great over there in Florida.

1019
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Sounds like Meatball Ron knows how to make an army.

1020
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, folks. That's that's my episode on on

1021
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: the Ron De Santis campaign and now he's doing I

1022
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Speaker 1: hope you all enjoyed this little update. We're done. Cool.

1023
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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for a vveck Ramaswani.

1024
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Speaker 1: Episode, yeah, which is just gonna be me making fart

1025
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: noises into the microphone. You'll get everything you need on vveck.

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00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: Here.

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00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: Look, it's gonna be Trump unless he dies, in which case, boy,

1028
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: that could be interesting.

1029
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I just like Dessantis could have waited four

1030
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: years and then he could have had the backing of

1031
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: Trump to help him. I don't he's such a he's

1032
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 3: such a weird little like power goblin because like, yeah.

1033
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if he was still may try to do that.

1034
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: Trump has gone back and forth on people in the past,

1035
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: but it's such a weird call to like make this

1036
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: doomed play at it, to build like this bad, like

1037
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna piss some people off. Yeah, why.

1038
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, I yeah, I remember us doing an episode

1039
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: not so long ago about the Santis and being like, well,

1040
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: he'll just wait four years until Trump's out to the

1041
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: pit show. But no, he fucking defied our expectations by

1042
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: torpedoing his own presidential chances.

1043
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, That's why I love him.

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