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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chuck here, Happy Spring.

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Speaker 2: And of course this is episode number two in our

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Speaker 2: Think Spring Playlist Spring edition because of Spring, and so

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Speaker 2: these are all spring centric because we love spring and

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Speaker 2: you guys today the episode is Butterflies poland Caterpillars with

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Speaker 2: Wings and there's nothing more spring I think we can

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Speaker 2: agree than butterflies.

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Speaker 1: So please enjoy cool.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 3: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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Speaker 3: Should Know, Part two of a one two punch of

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Speaker 3: insect goodness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, caterpillars, hopefully you just listen to. If you didn't,

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Speaker 1: you might want to because it really, you know, without caterpillar,

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Speaker 1: there is no butterfly episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like they could stand on their own, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you have to have listened to one

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Speaker 3: to understand what we're going to talk about here.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, but you know we're probably gonna say

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Speaker 1: when it comes time to talk about how the caterpillar

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Speaker 1: turns into a butterfly, just go back in time to

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Speaker 1: two days ago and listen to that one.

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Speaker 3: Right, we'll be like.

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Speaker 1: And Once again, we have to thank HowStuffWorks dot Com

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Speaker 1: and our former and current colleague Tracy Wilson, as well

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Speaker 1: as our former colleague not current, Jennifer Horton, wrote a

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Speaker 1: fun piece about butterfly gardens that we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about at the end. But I forgot about Jennifer. You

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Speaker 1: remember her?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she was great. She wrote lots of great stuff.

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Speaker 3: She's a good person.

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Speaker 1: So, Jennifer, I don't know if you're out there and listen,

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Speaker 1: but Hi, Hi, it's been a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like two thousand and eight or while. Well,

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about butterflies and we should probably kind

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Speaker 3: of pick up not where we left off, because we

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Speaker 3: talked I think about caterpillars being pests at the end,

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Speaker 3: or considered pests, but they're not really. Yeah, we should

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Speaker 3: pick up after the caterpillar emerges from its chrysalis, because

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Speaker 3: we're talking specifically about butterflies. So it's the chrysalis, not

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Speaker 3: a cocoon that it metamorphosizes within, and once it emerges,

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Speaker 3: it is a beautiful creature that resembles the caterpillar that

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Speaker 3: it was almost not at all, but it's the same

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Speaker 3: exact creature. It's got the same mind. It can remember

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Speaker 3: smells and all that. But whereas the caterpillar was built

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Speaker 3: episode too, the butterfly is built for sex, sex, sex.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're built for reproducing. Should we talk, I mean,

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Speaker 1: should we go back in time just a little bit

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Speaker 1: and talk about the fact that, like the distinction between

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Speaker 1: moths and butterflies and stuff like that. Sure, well, what's

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Speaker 1: the deal, wasn't it aren't moths and butterflies basically mostly

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Speaker 1: the same except moths are they do their sex at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's there's not many distinctions between them

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Speaker 3: And the reason why butterflies are diurnal and moths are

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Speaker 3: nocturnal is because all butterflies, I think, what is there

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Speaker 3: like fifteen twenty thousand species of butterflies, A lot of them, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all of them are descended from moths. And these were

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Speaker 3: which is how moths evolved, So a moth's camouflage is

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Speaker 1: Do you know why I'm meant to look this up

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Speaker 1: and didn't. Why then a moth is so attracted to light?

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Speaker 3: I saw that they think that it is attracted to

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Speaker 3: the moon for navigation. Oh okay, and that butterflies aren't

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Speaker 1: Well, butterflies navigate by the sun. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: Should we talk about their bodies a little bit, because

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Speaker 3: One more thing, let's talk about where the word butterfly

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Speaker 3: Well, it's very old English and it means butter and

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Speaker 3: other one is that there was a folk belief that

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Speaker 1: And butterfairy almost.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And then the Dutch and the Germans have a

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Speaker 3: why butterflies are called that, because they used to think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he could get one cc of blood through those arteries.

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Speaker 3: They were so clogged he was, he was on a.

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Speaker 1: Does it does it say when the name morphed for

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Speaker 3: Uh, they actually used to think or something like, it's

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Speaker 3: probably just doesn't know the fact that they're actually witches

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Speaker 3: Just does she call spaghetti pasquetti?

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Speaker 1: No? No, just fluterflies. Can we talk about their their

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Speaker 3: about the eyes too. Do you know the monarch butterfly

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Speaker 3: They can see into your soul.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they Maybe that's why they're so great,

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Speaker 3: Possibly. I think we talked about in our Animal Migration episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that it's that sun And that's kind of

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Speaker 1: brings me back around to antennae. These things are amazing.

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Speaker 1: They they get their sense of direction from the position

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Speaker 1: light receptors, obviously to tract the sun. They're highly attuned

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Speaker 1: to odors. Those antenna are great smellers. They sense pheromones

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Speaker 3: Just the antennae, Just the antennae. How about the labial palps.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, those are if you if you look at

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Speaker 3: Coming out of what chuck coming out of their their.

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Speaker 1: Head well near the mouth parts.

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Speaker 3: Yeaping thing. Okay, it's now officially a Tracy Wilson article.

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Speaker 3: So they apparently are like this is food. This isn't food.

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Speaker 3: This is food. But they don't eat with the labial palps.

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Speaker 3: It's just a way of sensing food. What they eat

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Speaker 1: They've kind of surmised that it detects food. That the

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Speaker 3: I moved on to their proboscis.

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Speaker 1: Oh, everyone loves a good prescos and the uh, the

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Speaker 1: almost like it should have a label that says some

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Speaker 1: assembly required. Yeah, because they got to do some stuff

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about the proboscos as we go,

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Speaker 1: but we do need to mention their leg If you remember,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they can't just like flop their wings open immediately.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm quite sure you could break your ankle in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that soccer players do. Yeah, like that ted Lasso guy.

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Speaker 3: Right, then there's a name for that. But don't bother

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Speaker 3: It up, right, which is pretty cool. They can also

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Speaker 3: called flutter, shimmer, and rainbow of butterflies.

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00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: Okay, a flutter of butterflies, yep.

438
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: But you look at the kaleidoscope of butterflies, it's like

439
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: a single organism in each individual butterfly that lives and

440
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: dies and reproduces, not necessarily in that order, as kind

441
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: of like cells that function and make up the larger hole.

442
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: But it's really a bunch of individual butterflies flying together,

443
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: but migrating as a whole down from eastern Canada to

444
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: northwest Mexico.

445
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess since we're there. There was a

446
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: big deforestation, illegal deforestation, logging operation in Mexico at the

447
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: Butterfly Biosphere Reserve in twenty fifteen and they got like

448
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember, like thirty or forty acres of land

449
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: just down before anyone knew what was going on. And

450
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: since then, and we can't get into it here because

451
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: it's really complex, but they have this very involved plan

452
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: that they've been enacting since then of reforestation, including something

453
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: called assisted migration that I don't fully understand yet, but

454
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to look into it more.

455
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: They just drive slowly by some butterflies, swipe them into

456
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: the car and drive them halfway.

457
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, things are better now, but there were a billion

458
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: butterflies in that migration in nineteen ninety six, and in

459
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: I think twenty sixteen that was down to thirty five

460
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: million from a billion, and I think has since gone

461
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: up due to these efforts.

462
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: But that's good.

463
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then, you know, butterflies, if you take down where

464
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to get to, then they're.

465
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: Going to die. Yeah, And that's that Biosphere Reserve is

466
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 3: a UNESCO World Heritage Site and you can go visit it.

467
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 3: But apparently when the number of butterflies that show up

468
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: are in the billions. The branch is that they're sitting

469
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: on bend under the weight of butterflies. That's how many

470
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: butterflies there are sometimes. But yes, it's very problematic that

471
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: there's fewer and fewer. I'm glad to hear that it's

472
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: kind of bounced back a little bit, but they're still

473
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: under I don't know if they're endangered or just critical

474
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: right now, but there's there's something to keep an eye on,

475
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: as we'll see, because they're an indicator species.

476
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: They are, and they're also pollinators. They're not, you know,

477
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: the best pollinators, but they're pretty good. They're not like bees.

478
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean, bees were made to pollinate.

479
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: They wear shirts that they do.

480
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: They wear be shirts. But the some butterflies, some butterflies

481
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: don't spread pollen at all. They just love that nectar.

482
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: But generally butterflies are looked at as polleners, and they

483
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: have that proboscis like you said, that's just it's made

484
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: for diving deep into those flowers and getting all that

485
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: sweet stuff. But butterflies have lots of dietary needs. They

486
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: can't just get bynd that sweet, sweet sugar. They need

487
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: minerals and stuff, and they get this in a variety

488
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: of interesting ways.

489
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, one is puddles. They'll just descend on a

490
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: puddle that's bare dirt. I don't think asphalt would work, So, yeah,

491
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: it's kind of gross to think about. But the minerals

492
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: from the dirt and the soil leach into the puddle,

493
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: and the butterflies suck up those minerals through the puddle,

494
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: and apparently if there's not enough minerals for their liking,

495
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: they'll actually flutter off real quick and then come back

496
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: to the puddle, and just that little butterfly movement is

497
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: enough disturbance of the water to bring some extra minerals

498
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: to the surface of the puddle for them to drink

499
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: and to create a hurricane in Belize.

500
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Right, if there's no water, it's pretty gross. If it

501
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: gets pretty bad, they will resort to puking onto the

502
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: soil and then drinking that mineral puke.

503
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: I took it more as spit.

504
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Hey one man's man's that's right.

505
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: But yeah, they need the minerals, the nutrients, and it's

506
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: just not enough for the nectar.

507
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, They've done some studies because they'll they'll eat fruit.

508
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: They'll eat rotten fruit on the ground, or they will

509
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: get on a piece of fruit. They will stomp on

510
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: it with their little feet to try and tenderize it

511
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit and then jab it with that proboscis

512
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: and drink it up. And they've done studies that have

513
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: found that the fruit eaters live longer and are better

514
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: at reproducing in studies because they I think it was

515
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: the monarchs, even they fed them either mash banana or sugar,

516
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: and the ones that ate the mash banana laid almost

517
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: two times as many eggs, and those eggs were bigger

518
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: and like more robust and vital as well.

519
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also read that they tend to be easier

520
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: going in social situations and are more well liked by their.

521
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: Peers, the fruit eaters. Yeah, oh wow.

522
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: So there's a couple other places that they can get

523
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: nutrients and minerals, dung and urine. Butterflies are not above that,

524
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: especially if they need it really badly. But when they're

525
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: getting it from a puddle, it's called puddling. There's just

526
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: so many great words around butterflies, and there's a specific

527
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: word for butterflies pollinating plants. It's called psychophily like psychophillly,

528
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: but with one l Okay, specifically, butterflies pollinating plants is psychophily.

529
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I love that.

530
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: I thought you would. I found that and I was like,

531
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: fuck's gonna love this.

532
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: The sexy stuff you mentioned. They you know, butterflies love

533
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: to try and reproduce, and they reproduce like a lot

534
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: of animals. They they join themselves, they join end to

535
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: end at the abdomen. I think the male has a

536
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: like class clasps down on the female to make sure

537
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: they stay together. And there is sperm from the male

538
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that is eventually going to fertilize the eggs of a female.

539
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: But not like you would think. It's pretty remarkable because

540
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: what they do is they well, first of all, they

541
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: have to recognize each other, like I said, using those antennae,

542
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: they recognize themselves as the same species or whatever, and

543
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: through their pheromones as well, which is also the antennae.

544
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: And then the male delivers a spermatophor. So it's like, hey,

545
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't just have sperm for you. I've packaged it

546
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: up in a little package for you, and it's got

547
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: all these other minerals and nutrients that you love. That

548
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: will help you in this fertilization process, and they will

549
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: take extra time to get an extra good spermatophore package

550
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: ready to be an extra attractive mate to the good

551
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: ones will well, sure.

552
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: So the the I guess the female butterflies when they

553
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: fertilize their eggs, they use the last sperm that was

554
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: inserted to them, the last spermatophor package.

555
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

556
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: So there are some species where the male will basically

557
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: close up shop after he's inserted a spermataphor with kind

558
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: of like a sticky substance that prevents more sperm from

559
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: going in. So his sperm is the most recent sperm.

560
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not very cool at all. But I guess

561
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: that guy's also like, you know what am I doing

562
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: giving you my spermataphor if you're just gonna use the

563
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: latest spermataphor that.

564
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: You got Exactly, I went to a lot of trouble

565
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: combining the spermatophoor.

566
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, look at this stuff, Look at all these minerals.

567
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: I also saw that some of the males in some

568
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: species will spray them with an off putting scent. Huh,

569
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: so no other butterflies will want them. There are mating

570
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: dances that they'll do, and they, you know, when the

571
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: female gets this super metaphor, they put it in their

572
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: bursa and then they wait until they're ready to lay

573
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: their eggs, and they actually lay the eggs first and

574
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: then use the sperm to fertilize them once they have

575
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: laid the eggs, which is also I think pretty unusual

576
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: in the insect kingdom, right.

577
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. For some reason, I had the impression

578
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: that they were fertilizing each egg as they were coming out,

579
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: kind of like a pez dispenser. Yeah.

580
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean though, But they're not like,

581
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: they're not fertilized in the body.

582
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. They're fertilized externally.

583
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, that's the word.

584
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: One other thing you talked about terrible smells. I turned

585
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: up that there some pheromones are pleasant smelling to humans. Specifically,

586
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: let me tell you about the green vein white butterfly.

587
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.

588
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: It puts together lemon oil for all intents and purposes.

589
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: It has the same chemical composition as lemon oil, but

590
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: it's the pheromone it produces to attract a mate. And

591
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: I got to tell you, lemon old is a pretty

592
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: great smell. It would attract me too.

593
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I love it.

594
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: So if you ever smell a great veined white during

595
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: mating season, you're going to smell some lemon oil.

596
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: The gestation periods about three days, and they lay anywhere

597
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: from ten to three hundred eggs in clusters over a

598
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: two to four week period.

599
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it's that long.

600
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't. Yeah, two to four weeks and these eggs,

601
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, they lay that many because it's tough for

602
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: these eggs to survive into adulthood. They got to be

603
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: The temperature's got to be just right, humidity's got to

604
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: be just right. They can rot very easily if it's

605
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: too wet. If it's not wet enough, they're going to

606
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: dry out. And then of course there's all those predators

607
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: that are just dying to eat those butterfly eggs.

608
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: They need to find the goldilock zone with the humidity.

609
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: For the eggs, that's right. They do so.

610
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 3: They also make sure that they put the eggs on

611
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: their baby's favorite food, which is a certain kind of plant.

612
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: Their butterflies are very frequently indiscriminate pollinators. They just go

613
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: from plant to plant but there are also plenty of

614
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: species that are very plant specific, and those are the

615
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: ones where they will not only eat that plant while

616
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: they're caterpillars, they were probably born on that same plant

617
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: as well.

618
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: We used to have a butterfly bush in our yard

619
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: that was those things get really big and out of control,

620
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: kind of in a we have sort of a wild

621
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: garden anyway. It's not like a you know, super manicure

622
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: like English type garden. It's kind of a crazy, fun garden.

623
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: So it fit in the garden and we had tons

624
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: and tons of butterflies, but it went away, and I

625
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: don't know if it was because I think some people,

626
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: well I think it could be an invasive species, and

627
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, like they'll plant the butterfly bush,

628
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: but we had one for a while but don't now,

629
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: so Emily may have taken it down for that reason.

630
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: So the reason it's considered invasive and harmful the butterflies

631
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: is it produces tons of nectar, but it has no

632
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 3: value in supporting eggs or the life stylele of it

633
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: other than nectar for adults. And so it's a distraction

634
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: from native plants that do provide not just nectar but

635
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: also shelter and a place to lay their eggs. So

636
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: it actually disrupts the life cycle of local butterflies. Even

637
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: though it's a butterfly bush and they love it, it's

638
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: actually bad for them. So I have to go cut

639
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: down mine after this.

640
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: Even if you have a lot of those natives nearby,

641
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like as a whole, it's still bad.

642
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 3: Yes, because it's a distraction, because it's so chuck full

643
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: of nectar that they go to that one instead and

644
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: just die off.

645
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: Well, some distractions are okay, right, like television.

646
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Sure, you could put a TV with an extension cord

647
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: out in your butterfly garden. That's not going to harm them.

648
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: If you have a butterfly bush, you have to chop

649
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: it down. I command you, all right.

650
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: They're really pretty though, and it's fun to see other butterflies,

651
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, I get you in.

652
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 3: But wait until you've planted other plants, which we'll talk about,

653
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: and then you can chop down your butterfly bush.

654
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's take a break or second break,

655
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit more about what's going

656
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: on with a butterfly population and butterfly gardens right after this. Okay, Well,

657
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: we talked already about the Monarchs and how they had

658
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: been hit hard from the illegal logging going on in

659
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: Mexico in the mid twenty tens. And in general, butterflies

660
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: are doing okay, but there are some you know, pesticides

661
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: and things like that. I think one of the other

662
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: big reasons besides the logging for that migration of the monarchs,

663
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: I think pesticides has killed a lot of milkweed, which

664
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: I think the monarchs love. So pesticides are a big threat.

665
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: And it's not like I'm just going to spray this

666
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: one little part of my garden, Like pesticides in your

667
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: garden in one part of your garden generally means it's

668
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: in most parts of your garden.

669
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it travels very easily. But on top of that,

670
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: butterflies are extremely sensitive to pesticides, So I don't know

671
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: about herbicides, but definitely pesticides. So if you're going to

672
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: plan a butterfly garden, you want to use natural pest defenses.

673
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: But that's a big thing that's killing off butterflies and

674
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: bees too. Yeah, and then also we talked about it

675
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: in the last episode. A lot of people think of

676
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: caterpillars as pests. It's like, oh, you ate some of them,

677
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: I lettuce, I'm going to kill all of you. That

678
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: kills butterflies too. They never make it to be adult butterflies,

679
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: and you've just disrupted generations of butterflies that could have

680
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 3: been So when you put all that together, humans have

681
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: not been super good for butterflies. Did you mention urbanization

682
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: and rhodes too, No, those are a problem. Like anytime

683
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: we build somewhere, we destroy plants, and those often are

684
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: butterflies or that's a butterfly habitat. And then the roads

685
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: that we have, the marginal land alongside of the roads

686
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: are often like great places for butterfly centric plants to grow.

687
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: But that means that the butterflies are very close to

688
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: cars that are going seventy eighty miles an hour, which

689
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: is never good for the butterfly when they come in

690
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: contact with them. So yeah, like I was saying, humans

691
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: have been kind of bad for butterflies. But fortunately we're

692
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: starting to wake up and see the value in butterflies

693
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: goes beyond like let's put that thing on a stamp,

694
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: Like there's there's more value to the butterfly than just

695
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: its esthetic beauty. But that makes it plenty valuable in

696
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 3: and of itself.

697
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if butterflies and other insects would ever if

698
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: natural selection would be such that they would learn to

699
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: fly higher than the height of an average car.

700
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: Sure, I could see that, but then they run into

701
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: semis and there's like it's going to take millions more

702
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: years to get higher than a semi.

703
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

704
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: Maybe they'll figure out how to fly undercrs very quickly.

705
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that collecting butterflies is, believe it or not, another

706
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: thing that has hit the butterfly population. Butterfly collecting butterflies

707
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: is a thing. Hunting butterflies and putting them behind glass

708
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: in your office is a thing that some people are

709
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: really into. And I don't know a lot about that,

710
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: but I do know that that there are certain species

711
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: that are endangered, and part of the problem is over collecting.

712
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the more rare a butterfly species gets, the

713
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: more desirable it is for collectors, and the more collecting

714
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: harms that population because it's so small. So or a

715
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: Burroughs but the worst kind.

716
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I imagine we'll hear from some collectors who

717
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: who can tell us that there are responsible ways of

718
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: doing this. I really don't know enough about it to

719
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: speak to it, but I'm not going to click butterflies,

720
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say.

721
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if it's one of those things like ivory,

722
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: where it's like, Okay, this happened, this is done, Like

723
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 3: these things are out there and we're not just gonna

724
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: throw them away. That's an even bigger waste. Right, So,

725
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: like antique ivory or antique taxidermy, butterflies are legal, but

726
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: anything new is illegal. I wonder if it's treated like

727
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: that or what. But I get the impression that butterflies

728
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: don't have that much legal protection. I think they do

729
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: on paper, but it's very rarely enforced.

730
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess if you find one in the ground

731
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: or something that's uh you know that for your collection.

732
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: Sure not sunning on a rock, but you know dead right.

733
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: Sure it just fell over of old age.

734
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: Uh Huh. Should we talk about butterfly gardens here at

735
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: the end.

736
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because one of the things people are doing or saying, like, hey, butterflies,

737
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: we got to save these butter flies. If we don't,

738
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: things are gonna go pear shaped even more. And so

739
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: people are starting to plant butterfly gardens.

740
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think you said they're a big indicator

741
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: of like, if butterflies are dying off all around you,

742
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: that's a big indicator of how your local ecosystem is

743
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: doing in.

744
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: The larch part, the canari and the coal mine.

745
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And butterfly gardens are beautiful and it doesn't

746
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: take a lot. You need some plants, and you're gonna

747
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: want plants. Well, you're gonna want to find out what

748
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: kind of butterflies you have around you.

749
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: That's a big one.

750
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: You can look with your eyeballs and then cross reference,

751
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: or you can just look it up on the internet,

752
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: and then you want to find out what kind of

753
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: plants those butterflies love that are native to your area,

754
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: and plant those.

755
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: Chuck. When I was researching this, all I wanted to

756
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: do was be done with this episode so I can

757
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: go garden.

758
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that Emily's gardening. I'm looking at it

759
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: right now, is gardening outside?

760
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Well, pound on your window and tell her I'm jealous

761
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: of her.

762
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: We got I put it on my Instagram. I don't

763
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: know if you saw it, but you I saw a

764
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: huge well it's not that big, but a hornet's nest

765
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: in our backyard yesterday. That is the coolest, most beautiful thing.

766
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of tucked in a magnolia branch about only

767
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: four feet off the ground, And I'm glad I saw

768
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: it because I was about to go do some trimming

769
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: of my box woods right behind it in a few

770
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: days and I would have bumped right into that thing.

771
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: So boy, now we're just going to steer clear of

772
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: it until it is out of season and then hopefully

773
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: try and preserve it. But hornets nests are so cool looking,

774
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: and I just love that we have one back there.

775
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: We got a crazy backyard full of all kinds of critters.

776
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: Does it look like a mummy's head? Sometimes it looks.

777
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: It looks like a sort of a mummy's head, but

778
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: if it was an alien mummy, because it's like top

779
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: heavy and it looks like it has a little mouth

780
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: at the bottom, you know, their little door. Yeah, I'll

781
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: send you the picture, it's cool.

782
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or I can just go on Instagram like everybody else.

783
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: Now you get text privies, thanks man. What else about

784
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: the butterfly garden? You need water? Right?

785
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Remember they like to drink minerals from puddles. So

786
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: if you have a little bit of water dripping that

787
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: forms a puddle in the soil, that's definitely going to

788
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: help them. You want rocks for them to sun on.

789
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: A big one, Chuck is you want to use native plants.

791
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I know you and Emily are like big into that,

792
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 3: and I feel like people, including myself, are really waking

793
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: up to just how bad for the local ecosystem like

794
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: non native plants are, and to use native plants whenever

795
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: you can. When you're building a butterfly garden, it's crucial

796
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: because even plants within the same species can be harmful

797
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: to butterflies. Yeah, and I have an example if you'll

798
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: allow me. Sure, So, butterflies in Florida and Georgia in

799
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: the Southeast in general, I think are very very keen

800
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: on what's called butterfly weed. It's what monarchs love. It's

801
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: that very tiny, multi flowered, orange flowered weed. It's a

802
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: type of milkweed. Okay, yeah, that's native. Yes, there's another

803
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 3: kind of milkweed called tropical milkweed that does just fine

804
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: in Florida and Georgia in the southeast too, but it's

805
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: not native. And the problem with putting that in your

806
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: butterfly garden into the southeast is that it blooms so

807
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: late into the season that butterflies will keep reproducing and

808
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: entire parts of the population will freeze to death because

809
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: they've gone beyond their natural reproductive window. And then furthermore,

810
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: when the temperature drops a little bit, they're more susceptible

811
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: to a specific kind of protozoan parasite called ot or

812
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: oe I. Can't remember that they wouldn't otherwise be if

813
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: they were just on the native milkweed rather than the

814
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: tropical milkweed. So like, that's how much attention you really

815
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: should be paying to your butterfly garden, because you can

816
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: inadvertently harm them while you're doing something you think is

817
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: good for them, like putting a butterfly bush out there.

818
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: Everybody like, that's great, I'm gonna put a butterfly bush

819
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: out and I can pretty much call myself Gandhi from

820
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: here on out, Gandhi the butterflies. But it turns out

821
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: you're harming them. So it's definitely something that you need

822
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: to take some research for. But it's the kind of

823
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: research that it's like an invitation to go, like immerse

824
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: yourself in the natural world in all of the best ways.

825
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Boy, that butterfly weed is beautiful, Yes.

826
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: It is, and it's native to Georgia. So you just

827
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: plan it all you.

828
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: Like, you know what, I'm gonna go tell Emily like, oh,

829
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: this butterfly milkweed and shes gonna be like it's right

830
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: behind you, coming right.

831
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: But it's not only a food source, it's it's like

832
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: a place where monarchs lay their eggs. So you will

833
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: have butterflies like living in your garden. I mean they'll

834
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: fly to Mexico eventually, but they'll hang out there for

835
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: a while. Yeah.

836
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's the cool thing about the butterfly garden too.

837
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: If you if you do it right, then you're you're

838
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: gonna have butterflies in your yard. And not only that,

839
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: but butterflies are gonna like word gets around and it'll

840
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: become a place for butterflies. It'll become like haven for butterflies.

841
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: And they don't they don't generally, I mean the ones

842
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: who migrate migrate. But other than that, you could have

843
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: you could have butterflies families living their whole life back

844
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: there in your backyard.

845
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. And speaking of backyards, I've got a backyard. A

846
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: lower part of my backyard is kind of wild. I

847
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: keep it wild, like I don't know it very often,

848
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: and there's lots of weeds and like little clovers and

849
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: stuff growing. So I've left it there for the beads,

850
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: the birds and the bees and all that, and the butterflies.

851
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: But I'm going full on, man, I'm going to let

852
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's gonna be all butterflies, like up to

853
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: your hips butterfly stuff. I cannot wait to go plan it.

854
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 3: It's I'm really looking forward to it because it's really

855
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: goes right up to the edge of some woods too,

856
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: so it's gonna be amazing.

857
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something we really love like leading green spaces

858
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: and making it an invitation for animals. You know, like

859
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: I got my camp up there in North Georgia, and

860
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: like all of North Georgia is just being torn down

861
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: for neighborhoods and or and you know, if you're a hunter,

862
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: let's find that that's your thing. I'm not into it.

863
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: And we love that we have this acreage where we're

864
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: just like, tell your dear buddies this to come to

865
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: our land setup shop here. No one will be shooting

866
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: you and spread the word, everybody. We have we have

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Speaker 1: a safe space for all you critters out here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, except for humans, because it's also a most dangerous

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Speaker 3: game type setup. You got going there?

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Speaker 1: Huh well sure by the weekends.

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Speaker 3: Right. Let's see one more thing about butterflies. There is

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Speaker 3: an amazing fact that I think we can end on.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: They're frequently cited as inspiring the discovery of the RH

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Speaker 3: blood factor, which is a type of subtype of blood types,

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Speaker 3: and it actually cured what's known as Rhese's hemolytic disease,

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Speaker 3: which is where a baby has a positive RH blood

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Speaker 3: type and is born from a mother with a negative

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Speaker 3: RH blood type, and it's immune systems starts attacking its blood.

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Speaker 3: Not good. But the discoverer of the RH blood factor,

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Speaker 3: his name is Sir Cyril Clark, and he was big

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Speaker 3: time in the butterflies, and he was inspired by the

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Speaker 3: butterfly's ability to mimic other butterflies genetically, that they had

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Speaker 3: these what are called super genes, these big clusters of

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Speaker 3: genes that all produce this mimicry, and that we're refined

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Speaker 3: by smaller genes over time. And he was like, I

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Speaker 3: wonder if that has to do with blood types and diseases,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, it was, oh wow, yeah, so butterflies,

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Speaker 3: super useful, super beautiful. Go cut down your butterfly bush today. Amazing,

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Speaker 3: Chuck said, amazing. So that means it's time for listener

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Speaker 3: mail everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this our influence on Spotify. Perhaps, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, wondering if you were aware of your

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Speaker 1: potential impact on Spotify searches. On the Milli Vanilli episode,

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Speaker 1: Josh mentioned the song Owner of a Lonely Heart by

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Speaker 1: Yes being the best song of the eighties, and in

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Speaker 1: my head, I'm like, I'm not sure what that song is,

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Speaker 1: but I set it out loud and immediately the chorus

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Speaker 1: popped into my head. So I go over to listen

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Speaker 1: to it later on Spotify. I see a ton of

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Speaker 1: covers for it, and I see Milli Vanilli is also

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Speaker 1: in the search results, which was going to be my

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Speaker 1: next search. So I think you guys may have had

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Speaker 1: enough people searching Owner of a Lonely Heart and Millie

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Speaker 1: Vanilly close together so that the algorithm associated those two.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome because other than the time period, it's not

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Speaker 1: similar music.

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Speaker 3: You know no, I would say not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe do a test to mention two unrelated songs for

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Speaker 1: something to see what happens. Oh boy, should we try it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's mix Sabbath and you pick the other one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Black Sabbath, you name a song specifically, Warpigs. Okay, Warpigs. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't heard Warpigs, you should go search it

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Speaker 1: on Spotify. Give it a listen. It's a great song.

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Speaker 1: And while you're at it, I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: ever heard Barry Manilow's Chuck.

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Speaker 3: I was going to suggest Barry Manilo I had it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I had a fifty to fifty chance there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard the Barry Manilo song

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Speaker 1: even now, but it's a classic Barry Manilo song. And

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Speaker 1: everyone should just go search those two on Spotify.

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Speaker 3: So war Pigs and even now by Black Sabbath and

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Speaker 3: Barry Manilo, Let's see what happens. Let's see what happened.

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Speaker 3: That was a great experiment. Who was that from?

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Speaker 1: That was from Cory and I just want to give

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Speaker 1: Corey's to side notes, saw you guys for the Andre

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Speaker 1: the Giant Live in Chicago episode. I also saw Josh's

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Speaker 1: Into the World live in Chicago when you tour that

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Speaker 1: your short series. That was so great and I really

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Speaker 1: enjoy that. Josh walked by on his way in when

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Speaker 1: we were outside and patted my friend Sam on the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: and he's definitely mentioned that several times since then.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: So that's from Corey and you patted Sam on the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: and I think that.

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Speaker 3: Men lunch to say, yeah, thanks for coming to see me,

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Speaker 3: Sam and Corey. It was a fun show. Actually, let's

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Speaker 3: see if you wanna let us know how this experiment

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Speaker 3: pans out. Corey's Experiment is what we're gonna call it,

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Speaker 3: Corey's Choice. How about that love it? No, let's call

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Speaker 3: it a Corey's song rather than Brian's song. Oh okay, okay, no,

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Speaker 3: Corey can wait?

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Speaker 1: Perfect okay, so oh no, but how about Corey's in Charge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good one. That's perfect. We're gonna end

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Speaker 3: on that. If you want to let us know how

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Speaker 3: the Corey's in Charge experiment goes, but we'd love to

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Speaker 3: hear from you, you can send us an email to

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