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Speaker 1: Christmas here from Alan Park and welcome to Week sixteen

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Speaker 1: And as always, we're gonna start with news and notes

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Speaker 1: as Lion's head to Carolina on Saturday, not Sunday Christmas

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. UM. Congratulations to Frank Ragnow of the Detroit

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Speaker 1: Penney sul I'm on Rose Brown, first alternates, UM in

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by Darren Gant. He's the senior writer managing editor does

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Speaker 1: a great job covering everything Carolina Panthers for Panthers dot Com. Darren,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean there's nothing harder than two minute.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing harder than two minute. And when and when

429
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: you have a four minute and it's successful, yeah, I

430
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: mean that just takes all the steam out of the

431
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: other team. You know, you said a few weeks ago

432
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: that you were very vocal about this not being you know,

433
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: the same Lions team, and you know, you took some

434
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: criticism then about some maybe unbelievers. But how rewarding is

435
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: it now that there's probably pretty much ninety nine percent

436
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,239
Speaker 1: of Lions fans in the Detroit population that agrees with

437
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent after watching the last seven weeks.

438
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw this coming rate when it started

439
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: to turn. How rewarding is it that that you know,

440
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: this team has bonded together and kind of lived up

441
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: to what you guys talked about this not being what

442
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: what what what Lions fans were used to. Yeah, I

443
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: mean I would say I'd just seen it. I'd just

444
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: seen how close we are, and I had seen a

445
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: clip the other day after the first Minnesota game and

446
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I had said, we are really really close to being

447
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: a really good team. Yeah, and we're just we just

448
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: got to make the plays at the end of the game.

449
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: And I've seen the confidence build and some young players

450
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: and then in different position groups, Um, the coaches you know,

451
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: have obviously tried to put the players in a position

452
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: to succeed even more so. Yeah, and I just felt

453
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: like it was just a matter of time before we

454
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: got this thing rolling because we've been we've been close

455
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of games and half of them having

456
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: gone our way, and then more recently we've been able

457
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: to make those plays at the end of the game,

458
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just to see the work we

459
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: put in and then feel the belief, because you can't

460
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: fake belief, you can't fake trust. It's different in this building.

461
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: It just feels different, you know, from someone who's in

462
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: the building every day. Not obviously in the locker room,

463
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: but just it just feels different around walking around. There's

464
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: there's a different vibe of different culture, a different attitude.

465
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: And credit Dan Campbell at homes for for you know, yeah,

466
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: turning it into that. And I mean just you look

467
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: at games like last week. We used to lose those

468
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: games ten out of ten times. Yeah, early in the year,

469
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: you might have lost that game and and yeah, exactly

470
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 1: early and like we used to lose those games. Yeah,

471
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: and we've done And I think that was a really

472
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: good game for us and a really good win for

473
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: us to kind of squeak one out. Yeah, you know,

474
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: obviously you'll play your best football too, right, I mean,

475
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: you guys were owing three in the red uncharacteristic of

476
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: you guys offensively, just didn't play your best game, but

477
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: on the road against a good team, against a top defense,

478
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: found a way to win. Yeah, And I think that's

479
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: huge because you know, we've we've had some games recently

480
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: we're at the end we didn't we didn't have to

481
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: make those plays because we played well for you know,

482
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: up until that point and we were ahead and in

483
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: control of the game. But to have a game like

484
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: that where it's like we got to make these plays

485
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the game to win this and

486
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: we haven't played our best best ball and to still win,

487
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's just another another step and our growth

488
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: as a team and to be able to mature as

489
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: a team. Um, So I think I think it was

490
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: great for us. What about getting plays from guys like

491
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Cliff Raymond, to win a game, getting a play like

492
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: you know from brock Wright to win a game like

493
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: that too. So obviously you expect it from the Charts

494
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: and the Swifts and those guys of the world, right,

495
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: they make big plays all the time. But for clif

496
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: Raymon to return upon and be a big part of that,

497
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 1: brock Wright in the last two minutes have fifty one

498
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: year touchdown. It's not only finding a way to win

499
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: a game. We don't play your best, but getting it

500
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: from a lot of different players. That's got to give

501
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: that whole team confidence, dude, that anybody can step in

502
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: and make a play. Yeah, And that's that's a testament

503
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: to those guys every single day doing what they're supposed

504
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: to do and being in the right spot knowing what

505
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: to do. Um, Because like brock and Leaf are professionals, man,

506
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: they're like pros pros and they go about it like that.

507
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: And you may not see them make the you know,

508
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: the big splash play every single Sunday, but that doesn't

509
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: mean they can't and that doesn't mean they don't know

510
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: how to. Yeah. And uh, brock was faster than I thought,

511
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: so he was, Jed said, dude. Jared said, we we do.

512
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: He was fast, but even me watching it from the pressions,

513
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: he gets scoot a little bit. That straight line. We

514
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: gotta go check the forty time at the combine there,

515
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: Robert Sala leading into that game was talking about the

516
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: offensive line, was talking about everything starts with Detroit upfront,

517
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: and I think everybody knows that just the way that

518
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: you guys are playing right now. He said, there's Philadelphia

519
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: Eagles and there's the Detroit lines in terms of the

520
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: elite offensive lines in this league. When you hear that

521
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: from a guy like that who's obviously, you know, made

522
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: his mark playing defense in this league, you're coordinating defense

523
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: in this league? What does that? What does that mean

524
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: to you that you guys are now considered that elite

525
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: status that at your position group. First off, I would

526
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: say it's a huge compliment from him, especially because I

527
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: see him as a front seven defensive guy. Especially, Yeah,

528
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: we want this defense to penetrate, get up the field,

529
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: We want our linebackers to be able to run. So

530
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: he obviously watches a lot of offensive lines, so that's

531
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: a huge compliment coming from him. And then on top

532
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: of that, I think him saying that he was gonna

533
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: try and heat us up. They were going to bring

534
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: all sorts of pressures. There was going to be safeties

535
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: in the run game, and they were and they were

536
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: making plays. I mean their safeties were basically playing linebacker.

537
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: It's like so it was a great challenge for us,

538
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: And I would say, while it's an awesome compliment, this

539
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: is a what have you done for me lately? League?

540
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: So if we go out and we lay an egg

541
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: and we don't play well against Carolina, yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah,

542
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: and that's an interesting team too, because I mean you

543
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: look at them, their strength is probably defense. Brian Burns,

544
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna see him, Penny's going to see him.

545
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: I know, they move him around. Just the type of

546
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: player he has. Leads them in sacks, leads them in

547
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: tackles for loss. Looks like he's got a pretty good,

548
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, toolbox of past rush moves, has a nice

549
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: little spin move. Just the challenge this week with with

550
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: with Brian. Yeah, he's top notch. Yeah, he is top notch,

551
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: And he's got some of that rare burst and speed. Um,

552
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: he's one of those naturally slippery bendy guys. They can

553
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: they can hit a hand move, but also been the

554
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: edge if he doesn't catch your hands clean. Um, and

555
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: then you know, given his his success that he's had,

556
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: you can tell he's a confident player. He's out there

557
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: playing confident and disruptive. All right, I want to I

558
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: want to just switch gears a little bit too. You

559
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: annually are one of the top five to top ten

560
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: tackles in the NFL, and the recognition hasn't always been

561
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: there for you for whatever reason, probably mostly because the

562
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: team hasn't won. Right, you know that this Pro Bowl

563
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: stuff kind of goes If you don't win, you're probably

564
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: not gonna get on. But you've got to the top

565
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: five in the fan vote and you were named and

566
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: alternate to the Pro Bowl, so there's some recognition. I

567
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: don't even know that, So just what does that mean?

568
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that you didn't know that. Yes, no,

569
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: I knew that. I got a bunch of fan votes

570
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: there there the fellow players and the fellow coaches voted

571
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: as well, and you were named and alternate to the

572
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. So I'm just curious because of you know,

573
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: it seems like you know, you're one of those guys

574
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: every single year to finally now start get the recognition,

575
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: this lines getting the recognition. Just how does that feel

576
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: to finally kind of be among those those guys that

577
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: are getting recognized as the elite tackles in this league? Um? Man,

578
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: it's humbling. That's cool. I mean, is an O lineman.

579
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: Like our stats are team stats, so I know a

580
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: lot of like that recognition is going to come along

581
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: with team stats. Um. But just to see like the

582
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: how the fans turned out, they're blate. Um, I mean,

583
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I know, I so I think I said it to

584
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Justin Rodgers that it was something that it eats at me. Yeah. Um,

585
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: but I mean that's that's pretty cool man. And I

586
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: just I don't got much to say because I didn't

587
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm glad. Yeah, it's cool.

588
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: It is. It is. And you know Frank obviously, you

589
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: know you got in on on on the team. Just

590
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: what what Frank has met his second Pro Bowl and

591
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: just what the steadying force he is in the center there.

592
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: If there was if there's one guy on the team

593
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: that deserves to go, I would pick Frank. Yeah. Um

594
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: is an offensive line. If you look like which positions

595
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: typically are kind of seen the most, it would probably

596
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: be the tackles, um Frank at that center position is dominant.

597
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: He is a lead. And I would say, on top

598
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: of that, um, some of the stuff he's battling through

599
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: this year, people don't know the extent of it. Yeah,

600
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's hurting, and not many guys would

601
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: be even playing anymore. I don't think that, um So,

602
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: just that mental aspect of his toughness, on top of

603
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: what he's able to physically do, on top of him

604
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: being in there, makes everybody around him better just because

605
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: of his understanding of the game. Um. I mean, he's, guys, incredible, YEA,

606
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Like he's he's one of my best friends, and he

607
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: deserves every bit of recognition he gets. Like he is,

608
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: he's incredible. Well, you guys pretty much control your own

609
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: destiny here starts Saturday in Caroline. I take care of

610
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: business there, keep the sing role, and boy, can you

611
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: even imagine Taylor what it's going to be like in

612
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: ford Field, Chicago week seventeen. If you guys are eight

613
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and seven with a chance to keep the sing role

614
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and in potentially make the playoffs with that game, have

615
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: you let you You guys don't let yourself look ahead, obviously,

616
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: but you've been this team a long time. That's going

617
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to be a crazy environment, right, Um, I don't think

618
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I know what to expect because every every week, every

619
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: week recently especially, it's been crazy in there. It's it's

620
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: been more rowdy and more rowdy every single week. And

621
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: like we're going out there for warm ups an hour

622
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: before the game and it's like, man, the stadium is

623
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: almost like full already. Like it is an incredible atmosphere

624
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and you know, when the lines are winning, that's got

625
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: to be one of the best atmospheres in the NFL.

626
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: It's got to be like our Our atmosphere in the

627
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: game day is just incredible and the fans are losing

628
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: their minds and having a good time, and I mean

629
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: it's awesome. Fans drive our game. I've said it a

630
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: bunch of times, like we don't get a play and

631
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: we don't get a you know, make the living that

632
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: we do and you know, be on TV if it's

633
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: not for the fans, if it's not for the people,

634
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: all the you know, I've I've said this before, like

635
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: we're a blue collar city and there's there's people who

636
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: are doing hard work, manual labor, were working two three jobs,

637
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and and they choose to spend

638
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: their money to buy tickets to come see us or

639
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: wear our jerseys, and um, it's incredible. And you know

640
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: I said it after last game, like they they deserve

641
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Speaker 1: a winner, This city deserves a winner. Well, make sure

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Speaker 1: you guys go winning Caroline on Saturday, and make sure

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Speaker 1: that's a crazy environment in a couple of weeks. Keeps

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Speaker 1: it rolling. You get you're playing some good ball. You

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Speaker 1: guys are playing some good ball offensively. Let's let's finish

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Speaker 1: this thing out strong. Appreciate that, all right, Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is now the Key Matchups segment, presented by bet MGM. Yes, PJ.

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Speaker 1: Clark is joining me, producer extraordinaire, Football and Analysis Extraordinaire.

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Speaker 1: You've got the giving season, giving Christmas. It's it's close here.

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Speaker 1: You are a big part of the podcast, and so

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Speaker 1: obviously you know the drill. It's it's it's five key

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Speaker 1: matchups in this one. And let's start right up front.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is a game that's going

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Speaker 1: to be one in the trenches. I think these teams

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Speaker 1: are built very similarly they want to play physical football.

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Speaker 1: It starts up front along the offensive defensive lines. They

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Speaker 1: want to run the football first. On offense. Detroit's obviously

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Speaker 1: a little more explosive at quarterback and wide receiver, but

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Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of where it starts. And I

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Speaker 1: think a key matchup in this one is they're talented

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Speaker 1: ed rusher Brian Burns verse. We'll put Pennai Sua on

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Speaker 1: the graphic here, but they move him both sides. I

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Speaker 1: think Taylor's gonna Taylor Decker's gonna see him on the

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Speaker 1: left side too, And you know, I think I just

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Speaker 1: think that's a key matchup. When you look at Burns,

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Speaker 1: he leads them in sacks with ten and a half,

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Speaker 1: but he also leads them in tackles for lost. He's

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Speaker 1: their most explosive player up front. He's the guy up front,

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Speaker 1: neck and w recad game for them. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: why teams were calling Carolina after McCaffrey got traded in

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Speaker 1: and offering two fort round picks for that guy, because

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Speaker 1: he is as good ten and a half sacks this year,

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Speaker 1: he's got a sack a full sack in eight of

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Speaker 1: fourteen games. He had a half sack and a ninth

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Speaker 1: two sacks versus the Lions in twenty twenty. So it's

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Speaker 1: the team that has played him before, but one of

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Speaker 1: the premier young edge rushers in the league. And on

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Speaker 1: the graphic here you got Tool one of the premier

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Speaker 1: young tackles in the league. Only two sacks allowed this year.

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Speaker 1: This is a big matchup, and Carolina is a team

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Speaker 1: that has invested a lot of draft picks into the defense,

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Speaker 1: specifically that front. They took Derek Brown the year after

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Speaker 1: they took Brian Burns, but Burns is really blossomed into

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Speaker 1: a superstar here in year four. But this is a

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions team that's put a lot of resources to

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Speaker 1: their offensive line. They still a first round pick rag Now,

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Speaker 1: first round pick Decker, a first round pick Jonah Jackson,

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Speaker 1: the third round pick, the five year, fifty million dollars

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Speaker 1: for Big V. Obviously having Brown's filling in, well, Big

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Speaker 1: V's on ir. But but that's really been the strength

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Speaker 1: of this team. And when you look at this offensive line,

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Speaker 1: I what it's ten quarters now, I think they've gone

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Speaker 1: without a sack. You mentioned, you know, Penny only only two.

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Speaker 1: The interior guys haven't allowed one yet. All three guys, Brown,

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Speaker 1: rag Now and Jackson, and I just think this is

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Speaker 1: a big matchup because you know, we talked to Um Carolina,

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Speaker 1: a beat writer you know, ahead of this, Darren Gant,

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Speaker 1: and he said the key to him in this game,

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Speaker 1: Detroit some more talented football team, but they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: to turn the football over. You know, They're gonna need

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Speaker 1: the Lions to turn the football or they're gonna need

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Speaker 1: to generate some some takeaways. And I think one of

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Speaker 1: the guys you know that can do that. Obviously, jac

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Speaker 1: Horne is won, but I think Brian Burns is won

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Speaker 1: two with that strip sack. He's got a terrific spin

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Speaker 1: move if you watch some of the highlights, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, making sure Jeared's clean,

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Speaker 1: playing the kind of football that you've been playing if

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Speaker 1: you're the Detroit Lions over the last seven weeks, especially

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Speaker 1: up front, I think it's important in this game and

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Speaker 1: just keep it methodical. I mean, you won an ugly

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Speaker 1: game on the road in a cold environment. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a similar thing. I mean, you just gotta

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Speaker 1: if you can get the run game going a little

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Speaker 1: bit more. It's been kind of down the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, but swift. Swift had what six and a

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Speaker 1: half a carry against the Jets. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a good number. That's where you want to be. Maybe

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Speaker 1: get jam All back in the end zone for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a while here and get back on

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Speaker 1: the board. I should have been in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: That holding callin Evan Brown's little if happen happens, all right,

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Speaker 1: Well let's go, uh, you know, on the outside. And look,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a ton of weapons outside. Like we said,

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Speaker 1: they want to run the football with John taf foreman um.

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Speaker 1: But DJ Moore is more than stable at wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: And look, they'll throw him in the backfield and they'll

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Speaker 1: run him too. He's a lot like um uh Saint

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Speaker 1: Brown in that sense that that they'll kind of move

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Speaker 1: him all over the place and use him in a

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Speaker 1: lot of different spots. And and obviously you know there'll

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Speaker 1: be a big match up with Jeff Okuda Um. You

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Speaker 1: know the Jets again, I thought really kind of went

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Speaker 1: after Jeff a little bit last week. Fourteen pass attempts

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Speaker 1: his way. They only competed six of them forty two

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Speaker 1: point nine percent, but did hit a couple big plays

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Speaker 1: one hundred twenty five yards, So you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Jeff will take those percentages, wants to limit the big place.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple there. I think, you know, he

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Speaker 1: probably thinks he should have had a little better ball

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Speaker 1: skills um and and look, Sam Darnold will will take

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Speaker 1: a shot or two. We saw it last week and

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Speaker 1: they're lost to Pittsburgh. They probably should have connected on two,

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Speaker 1: you know, shots down the field. They weren't to Dj Moore.

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Speaker 1: But DJ Moore's their big play guy. And so look,

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Speaker 1: he's got fifty one receptions down the year, but ninety

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Speaker 1: seven targets, which shows you their struggle at the quarterback

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Speaker 1: position a little bit. Six hundred and seventy eight yards,

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Speaker 1: five touchdowns leads them. He's their most gifted offensive player.

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Speaker 1: He's the most gifted offensive player now, ninety seven targets.

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Speaker 1: The next highest is McCaffrey at forty three. He's been

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Speaker 1: gone for a while, so that kind of just shows

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Speaker 1: you it's the Dj Moore show than Terrace Marshall is

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Speaker 1: in second right now, but seven games with over thirty

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Speaker 1: percent target share, so he is really the guy you

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Speaker 1: got a key in on. As you mentioned, Jeff a

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00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: rough start to the Jets game. I thirty battled back.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the ball skills, still had two pass breakups

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Speaker 1: in that game, so not his best yardage, but you'll

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Speaker 1: take the six for fourteen completion, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: think the secondary's whole is probably looking for a bounce

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Speaker 1: back game here. Not a lot of big plays last

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Speaker 1: a ton of big closed fifty forty, thirty three, thirty three,

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Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty one, twenty. I think that we're the

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Speaker 1: big plays, and you know, a few balls that kind

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Speaker 1: of fluttered up in the year. I thought Wilson just

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Speaker 1: kind of threw it up for grabs, and looking at

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Speaker 1: the film, those guys probably, you know, think that caught

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Speaker 1: up could have had maybe three four picks in that game.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be looking for Jeff and those guys to

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Speaker 1: have a definite bounce back game, and they'll have to

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Speaker 1: be really good against DJ Moore. Let's go back up front,

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Speaker 1: and let's talk about you know, their rookie tackle a

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Speaker 1: cheam equanu verse, a guy that just Peach just keeps

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Speaker 1: getting sacked. He's all he does. Now, the Jets probably

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Speaker 1: would have wanted to block him. His sack last week

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Speaker 1: was an unblocked sack. Probably miscommunication there, but hey, a

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Speaker 1: sacks a sack and he'll take it. Um. Look, he's

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Speaker 1: got you know three, he's got He's the third player

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Speaker 1: in NFL history to have a sack at least one

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Speaker 1: sack in his first four games. He's got five on

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Speaker 1: the year, that second among NFL rookies, behind only teammate

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Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. He's he just keeps it rolling. He just

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00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: keeps rolling, and he's winning multiple ways now. So he

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Speaker 1: still does that little hesitation move that you saw against

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Speaker 1: Buffalo where he got the big first sack, but he's

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Speaker 1: you know, dipping around these tackles. He's going wide, he

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00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: can stay inside. He's just I mean, he's got a

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Speaker 1: knack for it. He gets into the backfield every week

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00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: he's coming up. He doesn't miss sacks. When he's there.

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Speaker 1: He will hit the quarterback. He goes low, which is

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00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: a good way to win. When you have that bend,

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00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you don't have to come all the way back up.

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Speaker 1: Its elite bend. It's elite bend, and it's some crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: The one that he hit Wilson in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: on that last possession of the game, that was low.

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Speaker 1: That was just turning around the corner and getting there

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Speaker 1: and you know, forcing an incompletion on that. But then

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Speaker 1: Kim Aquana, you're looking at that a top flight tackle

801
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Speaker 1: in this year's draft, but he's tied for fourth in

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00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: penalties amongst offensive lineman this year. He's got nine on

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Speaker 1: the year. That's something that the Lions especially, you know,

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Speaker 1: you saw how offensive line penalties can impact you negatively

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Speaker 1: last week. This is a guy that has done it

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Speaker 1: an awful lot and it's been a weird season for

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Speaker 1: a quint because you look at the start, right allowed

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Speaker 1: three sacks in his first two games, rough st as

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Speaker 1: you expect with rookies, but then he went a stretch

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Speaker 1: of ten games right there from Week three through whatever

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Speaker 1: it was eleven twelve where he did not allow a sack,

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Speaker 1: was playing much better football. Now has allowed one in

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Speaker 1: each of the last two weeks and obviously last week

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Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh and that defense that that's a tough task.

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Speaker 1: But um, I think this is an opportunity for James Houston,

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Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. Um. You know Josh Biscall, Romeo Okwara, who

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00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: had a couple last week, who's who's death that playing

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Speaker 1: much better. And then obviously James Houston on the graphic there,

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Speaker 1: so um, it'll be you know, it'll it'll. I think

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Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for those guys on the to impact

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Speaker 1: the game in a big way on Saturday, specifically with

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Speaker 1: with Aquana and Houston. I mean that is just that's

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Speaker 1: athlete on athlete. Ye and I'm excited to see. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is a big tackle that can move. How is

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Speaker 1: he going to combat that that bend and that move

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Speaker 1: that that Houston has just broken out in four straight games.

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Speaker 1: Now that I think that's gonna be really fun one

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Speaker 1: to watch. All right, let's talk about another one. I

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Speaker 1: think this might be their best defensive player is cornerback

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Speaker 1: Jac Horne and verse d J. Chark. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: Jac's going to probably see a variety of different guys,

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Speaker 1: but we put t J. Chark on here because chuck

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Speaker 1: one catch for eighteen yards last week, you know, didn't

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Speaker 1: get really involved faced a really good I think, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you look at Jac Horn. I put him in

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Speaker 1: that same category with Sauce. I mean you just look

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Speaker 1: at the numbers. He's got three picks on the year.

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Speaker 1: When you throw at Jac Horn, fifty four point eight

839
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Speaker 1: completion percentage has not allowed to touchdown. Team opponents have

840
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: a thirty nine point four rating that was better than

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner's numbers coming in. We talked last week about

842
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: you know how good of a matchup that was. And

843
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: so look this guy. He basically shuts down half the

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Speaker 1: field for them. They basically say, okay, JC, you take

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00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: this half and then we'll just worry about all the rest.

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00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: Now teams are attacking the other side a lot. But boy,

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Speaker 1: you're such a better defense when we have a cornerback

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Speaker 1: that you just trust to take away one half the field.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is literally my one notice just

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Speaker 1: this is Sauce two point oh, which I guess is

851
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: good for the Lions because you could you figured out

852
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: how to win by just ignoring half of the field

853
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: and you got the win and you got there. It

854
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: wasn't pretty all the time, but it happened. So let's

855
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: run that back, do it. Do it again. And I

856
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: know they want to take care of the football, and

857
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: that's been one of the big recipes for winning football

858
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: with Jared over the last you know, six six wins.

859
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: But I think i'd like to see it maybe one

860
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: or two more shots. Yeah, I think because you have

861
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the one of Jamo. One of Jamo, it was open,

862
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: just under threw it. You know, he wishes he would

863
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: have thrown it a little bit earlier. But I thought

864
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: there were some opportunities maybe to take some shots, give

865
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: guys like Chart a chance for fifty fifty ball. You know,

866
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: there's a fine line there. You want to be careful

867
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: not turned over, because that's why you're winning. But um,

868
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: I think you've when they've been at their best offensively,

869
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: they've protected here, they've run the football, they've gotten explosive

870
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: place and playoff field. I mean, I think that's really

871
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: where you're going to rely on if you're Carolina. A

872
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: star corner like jac Horner, I mean, this is a

873
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: big guy. He's physical, he's handsy, he likes to tackle.

874
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big hitter. It's I mean,

875
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: he really is. I give Jamo and I give DJ

876
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Chark a chance at least one chance down the field

877
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: against that guy. If it's one on one, Let's see

878
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: if my guy can make a play. And even if

879
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: even if it's not against Jac Horn, I mean C. J.

880
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Henderson was a top ten pick in twenty twenty, but

881
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: he's been banged up. He hasn't been great this year

882
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: when he's been on the field. So it's just you know,

883
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: all right, Josh Reynolds, you're out for this play because

884
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: it's eight on eight on the left side, and let's

885
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: see what Jamo can do against C. J. Henderson on

886
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the other. Well, let's finish it with this one. Is

887
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, you know, their quarterback. M Obviously he's you know,

888
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: been through some tough times here through the beginning of

889
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: his career, you know better than most being a Jets

890
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: fan growing up in New York. But and against Jared

891
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Golf and I think obviously the most important position in football,

892
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: right quarterback position. And you just look at Golf that

893
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: six straight starts, the only quarterback in the league was

894
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: six straight starts without a turnover, and that that's really

895
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: been I think one of the big catalysts in the

896
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 1: six and one stretch here. Yeah, and you just it's

897
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: partially on Goff hitting the open receiver and not risking

898
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: it too much, like he was a little bit maybe

899
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: pressing early on in the season. But it's also on

900
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you know, letting anybody touch him. There's

901
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: no strip sack, there's no chaos in the backfield there.

902
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: But I mean Sam's got three games with no turnovers

903
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: as well this year, So that's something to keep an

904
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: eye on. And that's why I put this one up there,

905
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: because I think that's huge. Sam Donald's two and one

906
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: in the year, he's complete less than sixty percent of

907
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: the passes. It's a lot of short game and they're

908
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: not let him. It was nineteen twenty four and twenty three, Yeah,

909
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: not let him throw the ball, and it's been that same.

910
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: Don't make the mistake, and so I think that's why

911
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: this graphic and this matchup to me is an important

912
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: one because I think whichever one of those guys maybe

913
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: makes one or two mistakes, I think that's going to

914
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: be huge in the outcome of this game. Because they've

915
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: both been pretty clean. They want to play a similar style.

916
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: Count on their defense, run the football, grind it out physical.

917
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: Which team can maybe force that that big turnover, that

918
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: strip sack, that jump a route, that whatever, and get

919
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: a big turnover that makes a difference in the game.

920
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: I think that's huge and I think that's why both

921
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: these guys have to play really, really well for the team.

922
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: And I think these are two guys that that like

923
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: the little underneath routes. I mean you see goff to

924
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Amurrah all the time and just you know, put it

925
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: in your receiver's hands, let them get yards after the

926
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: catch kind of thing. But these are both guys that

927
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: they can hit you downfield. If you're ignoring that and

928
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: you're hedging towards upfront and the intermittent intermediate area there,

929
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: they can hit you downfield. I mean, certainly Sam Cannon,

930
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: we Sam stuff strong arm. We've seen it from from

931
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: Jared a couple times this year that both defenses have

932
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: to be aware of what can happen downfield. We'll peg

933
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be a big one, you know. I

934
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: think at five and nine, it's crazy. This is still

935
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: a playoff game. What are the Bucks? Six and eighty?

936
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: They got the Bucks the following week, but they can't

937
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: look ahead because they've got to handle their business. Make

938
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: that a huge game. Detroit obviously at seven and seven

939
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: is um you know, very much in the hunt. It's

940
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: going to be potentially a record cold game for how

941
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: about that for the Christmas taken a hit that will

942
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: play a factor, But it look huge game. Um, you know,

943
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: I think two teams. Obviously the lines are a little

944
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: bit more talent, talented on both sides of the ball,

945
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: but I think they want to play a similar style,

946
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: so it should be an interesting game. Who gets off

947
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: to a big start, who makes that big play road game.

948
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta take that into account. Yeah, I

949
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: think Caroline is not built to come back. I think

950
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: if Detroit can get off to a good start, get

951
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: maybe a double digit lead, I think that puts Carolina

952
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: really behind the eight ball. We will both be there.

953
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: We will be chili well I want. I'll be in

954
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: the press spot, I will You'll be chilly down on

955
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: the field. I'll be fine. Um, But we'll obviously have

956
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: a breakdown after the game, as we always do. Um,

957
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: it was a good show. There's a lot of good

958
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: stuff in this one. Obviously a big game for both

959
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoyed the show. We'll see after

960
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: the Carolina game.