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Speaker 1: we get some guys working out today. Yeah, excited about
Speaker 1: that offensive lineman and running backs we're involved. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that. I want to talk about that as we
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Speaker 1: Dane offensive Lineman today And you know, it appeared to
Speaker 1: me watching these young men work out that the guys
Speaker 1: who we've seen as the top guys tend to tended
Speaker 1: to have the better of the workouts if you look
Speaker 1: at the way the numbers, you know, and the guys
Speaker 1: that you know with the with the the Garrett bowls,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like that, Uh, Forced Lamp Dawkins. I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, f Line, I thought Phoeney. You know, there
Speaker 1: were some guys that we've talked about as the top
Speaker 1: prospects and and we've we've said this though, maybe that
Speaker 1: offensive line group. You know, Cam Robinson another guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and I I thought Cam Robinson, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: think he was gonna do as well athletically, but today
Speaker 1: he sure proved me wrong in that way. But it
Speaker 1: just appeared that the guys that we've seen the best
Speaker 1: on tape tended to have the best workouts today. And
Speaker 1: that's what the combine is all about. The combine is
Speaker 1: a cross checking exercise to make sure that the numbers
Speaker 1: match up with what you saw on tape. And I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think Garrett Bowles, who is a
Speaker 1: fantastic athlete, you see them on tape, and he showed
Speaker 1: it here. He finished top five in every single category.
Speaker 1: Every you know, you don't see Lyman run forty yard
Speaker 1: dashes on the field, but when you see what he
Speaker 1: did in the three cone, the vertical, the short shuttle,
Speaker 1: that translates and for different reasons, you know, the vertical
Speaker 1: jump shows lower body explosion. Three cone shows the flexibility,
Speaker 1: change of direction, and so for a player like Bowls,
Speaker 1: I think he confirmed what we saw on tape and
Speaker 1: same thing with a lot of these guys. Dion Dawkins
Speaker 1: another guy for US lamp. So I don't think there
Speaker 1: was a huge, uh, you know difference. And the running
Speaker 1: backs might be a little different. We'll talk about about
Speaker 1: that in a minute. But I think for the linemen,
Speaker 1: I think what happened here today at the combine matched
Speaker 1: up with what we saw on tape. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: talk about Bowls and you know he's he's a guy
Speaker 1: that where you're trying to figure out I had questions
Speaker 1: about his strength when you watch the Utah tape. I
Speaker 1: wanted to see him bench press. That's really the only
Speaker 1: thing he didn't do. David the numbers safe, you know
Speaker 1: for him, twenty eight on the vertical jump, nine to
Speaker 1: seven on the broad, seven two nine on the three
Speaker 1: cone drill. That tells us a lot about you know,
Speaker 1: Dame is always saying, hey, if you could get a
Speaker 1: guy under seven, right, that was kind of the benchmark. Though,
Speaker 1: here's a guy, but but you know, you look at
Speaker 1: a guy and he was real close at seven point
Speaker 1: two nine, you know, and that's a heck of a
Speaker 1: number right there. So he put up the same vertical
Speaker 1: as Leonard, Yeah, he sure did. And we'll get into
Speaker 1: that as well. But and then we're five five in
Speaker 1: the twenty shuttle, So and that's you know that that
Speaker 1: tells you a lot about him. You also, you know,
Speaker 1: you were mentioning Dion Dawkins and here's another guy, he's
Speaker 1: a There's some guys in this draft again, David, that
Speaker 1: they're projecting, they're tackles that are playing guards. It just
Speaker 1: seems like to me that there's more of a projection,
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. Guys, more people are saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a tackle, should be playing guard. He's aid. You
Speaker 1: know that that seems to be the feeling in this
Speaker 1: combine or the feeling with this class, right. Don't you
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of been a trend though. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can obviously point to Zach Martin Sheriff as another
Speaker 1: guy like that. Uh Lyle Collins two Cowboys. Actually, I
Speaker 1: mean it's see and I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: way that college football teams are playing right now, if
Speaker 1: it's a scheme thing, or if it's just luck basically
Speaker 1: I don't know. But you know, over the Latin as
Speaker 1: long as we've been doing this show, it seems like
Speaker 1: every year there's a tackle prospect or three that people
Speaker 1: like better as a guard. Well, somebody's gonna have to
Speaker 1: play tackle in this group. Yeah, you know. And I
Speaker 1: and I kept hearing, haven't we've been, I mean, we've
Speaker 1: been saying, well, Cam Robinson, I mean, is this is
Speaker 1: this not, for lack of a better word, of crappy
Speaker 1: tackle class? No, I do, but the best of them,
Speaker 1: all out of all of them. We didn't see today
Speaker 1: ram Check because he's still recovering from his hip injury, right,
Speaker 1: and he's and yeah, ram Check, and he's what talking
Speaker 1: about five months? Five months? And he you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's an injury that he had surgery about eight eight
Speaker 1: weeks ago, right about two months. He's still with a hip, right,
Speaker 1: And so we probably don't see him work out prior
Speaker 1: to the draft. So, uh, you're nervous about doing that
Speaker 1: making that pick. I hate I hate picking guys who
Speaker 1: and again we've talked about it already. I don't like
Speaker 1: picking guys who can't, who aren't healthy when they're picked.
Speaker 1: I have a problem with linemen that aren't healthy to
Speaker 1: begin with. You know, it just seems like to me,
Speaker 1: but you know, ram check, he's he's might be depending
Speaker 1: on who you like. You know, I see what I
Speaker 1: Robinson I talked about. You know, you know six six,
Speaker 1: You know you look at the measurables with Cam Robinson,
Speaker 1: you know, six six three twenty two pounds and he
Speaker 1: comes blowing down there at a five one five? You know,
Speaker 1: is he is he growing on you? It's an lsu man.
Speaker 1: I have to say an Alabama player is growing on
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking I watched the tape of that guy
Speaker 1: with you, and you were not impressed. I was not
Speaker 1: impressed because I didn't see the athletic ability. But he's
Speaker 1: showing you he's got it right here. Well he did,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's where that's the biggest problem
Speaker 1: I had is and Dane always likes to talk about this,
Speaker 1: if you see athletic ability, to go back and watch
Speaker 1: the tape and again the tape. I don't think the
Speaker 1: tape lies about that. No, But I didn't see a
Speaker 1: great athlete there. But today I saw I saw a
Speaker 1: guy for that size be a great big difference. I
Speaker 1: think with Lineman is with Lineman, there's always contact and
Speaker 1: so you have to have that contact balance, and that's
Speaker 1: where I think Cam Robinson really fall short. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's lunging all the time. More of a technique issue,
Speaker 1: but the contact balance, that's where I really worry about
Speaker 1: Robinson and being able to hold up and how that'll
Speaker 1: trade right. So you know, against air, he's looked pretty
Speaker 1: good today, but when you throw on the tape and
Speaker 1: he's asked to you know, Mano Imano, and you know,
Speaker 1: the technique falls apart the contact balances and issues. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: trash the guy. I think you know, he had a
Speaker 1: solid workout and that's what you want to see. Uh.
Speaker 1: But you know, especially for him, the tape will matter
Speaker 1: much more than any result he put tea. You expect
Speaker 1: him to be as athletic as he was today. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, because I'm think he's a bad athlete. I
Speaker 1: just think he has balance problems. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's see if you have a balanced problems, to me,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not really you know, because there's
Speaker 1: there's some guys that were that were flailing around it. Right,
Speaker 1: You can be quick footed, you know you can. But
Speaker 1: if you have balance issues and you don't have the
Speaker 1: technique to help out to mask those issues, and then
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. And that's with Cam Robinson. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to see him lunging. You don't want
Speaker 1: to see him falling off balance. It's onto the ground.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things on tape that were you
Speaker 1: being a natural athlete, being quick footed wasn't necessarily one
Speaker 1: of them for me at least, right, Yeah, your favorite
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in this draft? Would it be Forest Lamp?
Speaker 1: I have Ramcheck rated higher and okay, okay, the guys
Speaker 1: that worked today, I'm right, the guys that worked today, Yes, Lamp.
Speaker 1: To me, that's the guy. I think he's a first
Speaker 1: round player. I've used the Zach Martin comparison quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. Even NFL Network they compared
Speaker 1: him to Zach Martin. I think it makes too much sense.
Speaker 1: Uh this not only you know, the left tackle, moving
Speaker 1: inside the guard, but the skill set what he does best.
Speaker 1: Think the strengths matchup a guy that you could potentially
Speaker 1: kick out to tackle if you needed him to but
Speaker 1: just with his skill set, it's just better suited inside
Speaker 1: a guard. He had a pretty fine day to day.
Speaker 1: I thought he did well. Uh you know, it was athletic,
Speaker 1: moved around well, so the body control. So I think
Speaker 1: Forrest lamp cemented himself as definitely a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be in the round discussion. Probably the first guard drafted,
Speaker 1: Probably the first guard drafted. You know, I go back
Speaker 1: to this and I keep I'm looking for a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I'm hammering. I'm I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just being this point. I'm looking for a tackle. Though.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's better guards in this draft.
Speaker 1: And if you're a team, and we saw plenty of
Speaker 1: teams David last year that struggled with offensive line play, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, look at a playoff team, even like the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. How about a playoff team in the New
Speaker 1: York Giants and the New York Giants. Yeah, well, the
Speaker 1: Seahawks are the big one for sure. I mean they're
Speaker 1: famous for not having exact for not having a line.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could you could you know they're they're in.
Speaker 1: I think there's some teams that might be in a
Speaker 1: little bit or hurt. You know, if they're looking for
Speaker 1: offensive tackle help, but the guard help is clearly there selfishly,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, well, you applaud the Cowboys plan, well,
Speaker 1: now what they have in place, not only their plan,
Speaker 1: but I applaud their good luck that you know, of
Speaker 1: all the positions that they need to work on, they
Speaker 1: should have a deep pool for most of them, whereas
Speaker 1: you know, and if they needed a tackle, and you
Speaker 1: get I mean sure they need in a way they
Speaker 1: maybe they do need to tackle. You don't know what
Speaker 1: the deal is with Chaz Green dubbed freezing getting old,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But in terms of like an immediate needs,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't peg them up there as a
Speaker 1: team that's sweating the fact that there aren't a lot
Speaker 1: of tackles to choose. From the numbers for four Slamp
Speaker 1: they got him at six o three five, so almost
Speaker 1: six four three hundred and nine pounds. He's got the
Speaker 1: thirty two and a quarter arms was measured, and then
Speaker 1: ten and five eights on the hands. The official forty
Speaker 1: for him was five flat thirty four with the bench
Speaker 1: That that itself surprised me a little bit. I didn't
Speaker 1: expect him to do thirty four reps. No, No, I
Speaker 1: mean I think he played strong, but I didn't expect
Speaker 1: thirty four that you know, going that way. But that
Speaker 1: was impressive. Twenty seven and a half on the vertical,
Speaker 1: nine three on the broad jump, seven five five on
Speaker 1: the three cone, and four six two in the twenty shuttle.
Speaker 1: So those were the numbers for mister Lamp today. I
Speaker 1: think danger right, I he's he he's the first guard
Speaker 1: off the board. Yeah, we'll see about ram Check if
Speaker 1: he's the first tackle or will somebody like you know
Speaker 1: Robinson better And let's say, okay, can we can we
Speaker 1: compare now a little bit? I'm just thinking back. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know Schurf was a top ten pick at guard.
Speaker 1: Martin went what sixteen? Martin went sixteen? Yes, and then
Speaker 1: you know Brandon Flowers went nine. I know he's a tackle,
Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking of lineman nine. I mean, where's
Speaker 1: the first offensive lineman going off the board in this class?
Speaker 1: And give me a range. I mean, if it's we're
Speaker 1: talking Lamp and then ram sick probably, So it's tough
Speaker 1: because I think ram Check's the top twenty player. It
Speaker 1: just comes down to comfort with the injury. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable with him not being able to see
Speaker 1: him work out prior to the draft, he's a top
Speaker 1: twenty pick all day. But that's a big if we
Speaker 1: cannot We cannot be going into a draft where an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman will not be drafted in the first round. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: there will definitely be. There's just too much of a need.
Speaker 1: That's what exactly across the league, you know. So I
Speaker 1: definitely think we'll see lamp but the best one is hurt.
Speaker 1: Does that that's scary? Okay, I'm gonna be self centered
Speaker 1: again and say, does that favor the Cowboys because you're
Speaker 1: talking about teams reaching for offensive lineman? You know, you're
Speaker 1: drafting guys that maybe don't belong there, right leaving more Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have had some good fortune with that. I
Speaker 1: think with guys that, you know, the Flowers, you know
Speaker 1: that was a reach. You loved that pick Flowers in
Speaker 1: terms of you love it because I loved it. If
Speaker 1: you're Giants didn't, yeah, I loved it. That the fact
Speaker 1: I'm all I'm all for the Giants continue to draft guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, hey, they beat the Cowboys twice I
Speaker 1: get it, you know, but no, but I think I mean,
Speaker 1: you're sitting here, you're telling me that's San Francisco. Howly
Speaker 1: would San how early would San Francisco take a take
Speaker 1: an offensive line. They're picking two, so hopefully not with
Speaker 1: their first pick. Yeah, that's I'm saying. There's not a
Speaker 1: guy that you would say. Sometimes we've seen offensive line
Speaker 1: and go way up the pot. Well, Eric Fisher, Luke
Speaker 1: Jokele John Jake Long back in the day. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a tackle is one of the most important positions
Speaker 1: in football. So it's crazy to me to think that
Speaker 1: we're talking and yeah, I think you're right, Dane, that
Speaker 1: somebody will get drafted, but we're not talking about a lot.
Speaker 1: And I mean, what do you think the average is
Speaker 1: over the last few years? Four problem four in the
Speaker 1: first Yeah, at least four in the first round, if
Speaker 1: not more, and now maybe one. That's crazy to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is crazy because we've seen a tradition in the
Speaker 1: past though, where there has been offensive lineman. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get onto these running backs. There we go, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I'll and I'll open I always
Speaker 1: like to throw the broad into question at you Dane.
Speaker 1: You know what we talked about. We came into the
Speaker 1: day thinking about four net is he two head? Is
Speaker 1: it the waterway? What is it? What is it? With
Speaker 1: four nette? He vertical jumps twenty eight and a half.
Speaker 1: Everybody then goes, oh my gosh, sky is falling. Then
Speaker 1: he goes out and runs four five one in his
Speaker 1: forty yard dash, actually goes four to five one, four
Speaker 1: five two. Concerned there did everybody? Did? He just shut
Speaker 1: everybody up running that speed, running that time at at
Speaker 1: four five one. I think if he ran like in
Speaker 1: the four at low four fives, mid four fours, you
Speaker 1: think he goes faster and baton rouge, don't you? Oh?
Speaker 1: Of course they always do. But the trouble is, how
Speaker 1: do you measure the poor vertical with the solid forty
Speaker 1: yard dash time? You know you can't. You don't. I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer, and you don't ignore it. Numbers. Okay,
Speaker 1: if a player turns in at twenty and a half
Speaker 1: inch vert you know the fact that he's just never
Speaker 1: been a good jumper isn't really good enough? You know,
Speaker 1: you know, the vertical and the vertical jump in the
Speaker 1: broad jumper, not just about how high or far you
Speaker 1: can jump. It's about lower body explosion, explosion, and so
Speaker 1: you know, and you watch the tape for and that's
Speaker 1: an explosive player. He I mean, he's not an elite
Speaker 1: explosive player, but he's kind of like Zeke where you know,
Speaker 1: he has that sneaky explosion to him and he'll run
Speaker 1: over you. But it didn't match up here with the numbers.
Speaker 1: So the question is why, why is this a player
Speaker 1: who looks explosive on tape but posted a vertical or
Speaker 1: a vertical jump that four or five offensive alignement invested?
Speaker 1: Sure you know who are carrying, you know, eighty ninety
Speaker 1: pounds more, and so it's it's I think the forty
Speaker 1: yard dash definitely help bring a four or five one
Speaker 1: that helps you kind of overlook the number. But I
Speaker 1: don't think you can just ignore that twenty eight and
Speaker 1: a half. I'll tell you what, if he'd ran four
Speaker 1: to six, four to six, I would have been right
Speaker 1: there with you. But I think that I think there's
Speaker 1: plenty of tape, And you're the big trusted tape guy,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you on this. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: tape where he's playing with explosive. I'm not saying change
Speaker 1: a grade, yeah, but but I'm also saying concern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't ignore the number either. I think you
Speaker 1: do a little bit more research, you figure, Okay, is
Speaker 1: you overweight? Uh? You know, I think that's his biggest
Speaker 1: problem exactly. I think he's gonna go to the pro
Speaker 1: day be two hundred and thirty three pounds two or
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds, and he's gonna jump if you can
Speaker 1: get into thirty thirty, thirty and a half thirty one.
Speaker 1: I mean, Zeke had a thirty two and a half
Speaker 1: inch vert so you know, if he comes within a
Speaker 1: couple inches of that, um, you know, I think he'll
Speaker 1: be just fine. So I think that might be more
Speaker 1: of a case more of the reason just being a
Speaker 1: little bit overweight. But no, no one is changing there,
Speaker 1: or at least no one should change their grade on
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette based on that vertical leap. You just kind
Speaker 1: of have to take it into context with everything else.
Speaker 1: If you're a Leonard Fournette and you're you know, you're
Speaker 1: one A or one B running back in the draft,
Speaker 1: and you had all this time to prepare, I almost
Speaker 1: have to think it was a conscious decision to come
Speaker 1: here at two forty, you know, like, it's not like
Speaker 1: he did that on accident, or I would hope not.
Speaker 1: I hope he didn't do that on accident, which just
Speaker 1: makes me wonder. I wasn't sure at two forty if
Speaker 1: he was really working out and then and then the
Speaker 1: vertical And we've discussed him yesterday about this love for
Speaker 1: foot ball. I guess I guess I'm giving him the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I was trying. Yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: working out, but he seemed surprised at his vertical lead
Speaker 1: it was so low. Yeah, because it wasn't until after
Speaker 1: the low number there that he decided not to do
Speaker 1: the broad jump. I agree. I think he was worried
Speaker 1: for back to back problems there. So has he not
Speaker 1: been practicing the vertical jump and the broad you know,
Speaker 1: it's I think there's some questions there if it definitely
Speaker 1: bears asking. I mean, that's and honestly, I think and
Speaker 1: I was going to say, the other thing is it's
Speaker 1: working against him because he's such a freak that you
Speaker 1: expect freakish numbers. I mean, four five one is a
Speaker 1: great time for a two hundred and forty pound running back.
Speaker 1: But I think I was, and people were a little
Speaker 1: bit disappointed that he couldn't crack into the four fours
Speaker 1: because you have that expectation. He was. He was talking
Speaker 1: to clubs last night as I'm going to run in
Speaker 1: the four four. Yeah, I mean that was his and
Speaker 1: I think the vertical jump shocked him, which I really do.
Speaker 1: I think it mentally messed him up. I hope that
Speaker 1: with everything that's on the line for him and any
Speaker 1: and this isn't just Leonard Fournette, any prospect, Like, I
Speaker 1: hope he didn't come here just thinking like all I
Speaker 1: gotta do is show up, you know, like the time
Speaker 1: for that is past, Like this is the NFL now
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I want to get back into these
Speaker 1: running backs. We're gonna take our first break, gonna do
Speaker 1: some twitter on the twenty, and I want to revisit
Speaker 1: some of these running backs and some of the things
Speaker 1: that had happened there. I think there's it's a very
Speaker 1: very interesting group. It's a very very deep group, and
Speaker 1: I want to kind of dive in, not just so
Speaker 1: much at the top guys, but we're going to dive
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Speaker 1: That's that's a new tagline from you. Right, they ain't bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that bunching and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, right, Dave, No, never never worry
Speaker 1: about Okay, thank you so much for a Caliber Collision
Speaker 1: and Tommy John for bringing us here to the combine.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do one of my favorite segments because it
Speaker 1: gets it allows us to interact with the fans out there.
Speaker 1: It is known as but on twenty So David Hellman
Speaker 1: take it away. This is a good timing for a
Speaker 1: question from her, because I remember last year we mentioned
Speaker 1: this guy in the same breath as for Nette and
Speaker 1: Cook all the time, and then he fell off a cliff,
Speaker 1: and I want to know about him. Samaj p Ryan,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma running back. Seems like he's making a good impression
Speaker 1: here at the combine. Turn some heads with his bench press,
Speaker 1: which you expected, you know, with the Uh he's a
Speaker 1: built dude. Uh, so you kind of expected that upper
Speaker 1: body strength. Uh put up what thirty reps? Reps? Yes,
Speaker 1: so not many running backs go over the thirty mark.
Speaker 1: Some ejap Ryan was want of them to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, the forty yard dish not as impressive for
Speaker 1: six five, but that's not his game. He's not a
Speaker 1: speedy type of back m but you know, it's not something.
Speaker 1: So I don't think the four six five should change
Speaker 1: anyone's opinion of p Ryan. U to me, I see
Speaker 1: a second day player, a guy that should be considered
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred picks. Uh, the vision, the power,
Speaker 1: very tough inside runner. H I don't know. I see
Speaker 1: a player who is I would consider in the in
Speaker 1: the third round. What about you? Did you see that player? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was. I actually went a little bit later than that.
Speaker 1: I thought he was more of a fourth round type
Speaker 1: of a player that's actually perfect. Because Herb was wondering
Speaker 1: if yeah, I just feel like though that Dane tried
Speaker 1: about this guy and you, I think he's more of
Speaker 1: a powerful runner than he is, like you said the
Speaker 1: allusion SIVs speedy guy. I think he works really really
Speaker 1: hard to finish his runs. I mean you will see
Speaker 1: him try and fight and to get every yard he can.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he caught the ball well in
Speaker 1: the drills today. Though they threw some balls to him,
Speaker 1: the flat stuff he was able to do. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want him running a lot of stuff down
Speaker 1: the field. I think that's more Mixon's game getting down
Speaker 1: the field. But this guy, if you throw it to
Speaker 1: him in the flat, he could turn get up the field.
Speaker 1: His numbers as we were talking about though, you know
Speaker 1: the four, six, five, like Dane was talking about thirty
Speaker 1: times with the reps, thirty three with the vertical nine
Speaker 1: eight with the broad jump right there, so that was
Speaker 1: kind of his day right there, and you know he's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people talk about him because of
Speaker 1: what Mixon was has done. But a solid player, like
Speaker 1: Dane says, though probably third fourth round consideration Xavier or Zavier. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know which you wrote about this, Brian. He
Speaker 1: wants to know how much buzz TCU tackle Aviante Collins generated. Well,
Speaker 1: you can on every year going to the combine and
Speaker 1: you have two or three players that you haven't seen
Speaker 1: that you need to see, and then somebody works out
Speaker 1: really really well at the combine and you and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you're like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: Dane and I were actually talking to each other while
Speaker 1: collins workout was going on. It's six four two ninety
Speaker 1: five pounds official time of a four eight one thirty
Speaker 1: four on the vertical. Got nicked up while the drills
Speaker 1: were going on, so he didn't get to do the
Speaker 1: vertical and all the other stuff that you saw there,
Speaker 1: So a little bit disappointing. If he had done that,
Speaker 1: maybe would have had the best combined workout of all
Speaker 1: the guys. I have not seen the player myself. You
Speaker 1: were kind of talking about you'd watched some t sue tape,
Speaker 1: but you did nothing really caught your eye with Collins,
Speaker 1: if I'm right. No, But what some these results do
Speaker 1: is it's gonna make it makes us. Now go watch
Speaker 1: the ten and not only us, but thirty two teen. Right,
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna go back and say, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: we knew he was athletic, but right, you know, is
Speaker 1: he this athletic one happens every year? Back and watch
Speaker 1: the tape and say, okay, there's something here. He's an athlete.
Speaker 1: How will that translate? Maybe we can mold him into
Speaker 1: you know, build his body, fix the technique issues, get
Speaker 1: more consistency out of him. But you can't teach athleticism
Speaker 1: either you have it or you don't, especially for a
Speaker 1: big man. And so teams are gonna go back, study
Speaker 1: a little bit more, find out what they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you had not seen the player before, had you.
Speaker 1: I've one of his games and I didn't see enough
Speaker 1: to make me get excited about doing another. You know,
Speaker 1: I that's something it happens here. Yeah, it's not like yest,
Speaker 1: Yeah it next. Yeah, it's not like you. It's you know,
Speaker 1: you do just because he has these these numbers doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's a good player, right, You mean he know
Speaker 1: he could flop in the tape, there's no doubt. But
Speaker 1: what it does is it causes us to go back
Speaker 1: and make sure that you know we're not missing something
Speaker 1: because he's in press. I don't even know what we
Speaker 1: can say about this, but it seems worth addressing because
Speaker 1: our favorite guy, Ian Rappapors out on the Twitter sphere
Speaker 1: talking about three see him in the hallway a lot
Speaker 1: NFL trade. Let's play fantasy football. Mat Matthew wants to
Speaker 1: know about a three way trade. He says, no way,
Speaker 1: right L O L. I don't so ras the last
Speaker 1: time an NFL pulled I know, and I've been doing
Speaker 1: this since night. I can't remember three way if you're
Speaker 1: not privy. Rappaport is talking about, uh, Washington sending Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins to San Francisco and then Dallas sending Romo to
Speaker 1: Washington and a bunch of picks being involved. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was a very cryptic tweet. It sounds ridiculous, but
Speaker 1: I also thought to be to be totally fair, and
Speaker 1: it's a completely different situation because he was a free agent.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was absolutely ridiculous to think that
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray would wind up in Philly too. I said that,
Speaker 1: I said that on the record, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, anything's possible, but that just sounds
Speaker 1: ludicrous to me, it does. I mean, well, and we'll
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to visit with Jerry Jones tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they'll be a good opportunity for eyes to the end,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman will break the story that there's a three
Speaker 1: way trade. We're in the works. Jerry's gonna sit down
Speaker 1: to me, like, so we're sending Romo. Washington's gonna hand
Speaker 1: David Miller lite and then the next thing you know,
Speaker 1: Dave is gonna break the story there's a three way trade.
Speaker 1: Sounds great, Sanci If I got to break that trade,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I'd buy I'd buy you all
Speaker 1: dinner at Saint Elmo tomorrow. How about that day? Three
Speaker 1: times for you in one week? Can't owe me on that?
Speaker 1: If only? But it's not gonna happen. I don't say
Speaker 1: it's not happening. I just don't see it happening either.
Speaker 1: I really really don't not the Dave breaking the story part.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's not gonna that's not gonna happen either,
Speaker 1: But thank you. Um, this is way more up y'all's Alley,
Speaker 1: Carlos and Carlos, I'm gonna call you out because I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that Dane mocked Carl Lawson to
Speaker 1: Dallas at some point at least, but he says, uh,
Speaker 1: Carl Lawson is not being mocked in any first round projections.
Speaker 1: Is he worth? Is he worth it at twenty eight?
Speaker 1: Why isn't he getting more buzz? Which I do agree
Speaker 1: with that part. I feel like he's kind of the
Speaker 1: forgotten guy when you talk about late round pass rushers.
Speaker 1: When you hear about Tack, you hear about Harris, you
Speaker 1: don't hear Lawson's name is often. I think it belongs there. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, these pass rushers are gonna go quick, uh
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see that on draft day, and so
Speaker 1: Losson he's gonna be, you know, the consolation prize for
Speaker 1: the team that does not get uh those edge rushers
Speaker 1: you just mentioned. So there's a lot to like with Losson.
Speaker 1: I talk about how his lower body, his lower body quickness,
Speaker 1: his upper body power, he uses both of those in Unison.
Speaker 1: Now he's not the biggest guy, uh, you know, only
Speaker 1: about six one, but he uses that leverage to his
Speaker 1: advantage to ben get underneath. Uh you know, I've used that.
Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, but Larrymy Tunsel mentioned that
Speaker 1: Lawson was the toughest pass rusher he ever faced. And
Speaker 1: Larrymy Tunsel's the best tackle we've seen come out of
Speaker 1: the draft in the last few years. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot to like there. Um, I don't think you know.
Speaker 1: To me, the easy comparisons Brandon Graham with the Eagles, Uh,
Speaker 1: just skill set wise comparison, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Cowboy killer. Yeah, and for those reasons, I believe he
Speaker 1: is worth a first round pick, and at twenty eight,
Speaker 1: with maybe all other options wiped out, it's not a
Speaker 1: bad way to go. Yeah, and you like Davison. You
Speaker 1: mocked him to Dallas at one point, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with Dane here. And I'm agreeing with
Speaker 1: you way too much. It's probably making some bad show,
Speaker 1: but I'll agree with you here. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I saw a guy that can
Speaker 1: hold the point of attack. I saw a guy that
Speaker 1: was strong handed, I saw a guy that could get
Speaker 1: the corner. I saw a guy that can quickly disengage.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that could kick inside if you
Speaker 1: needed to in the Nickels situation, and play him as
Speaker 1: a tackle if you want to rush. He's got the
Speaker 1: power to get the blockers off balance. There's a lot
Speaker 1: to like about Carl Lawson here, and I think the
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham comparison is absolutely right spot on with him
Speaker 1: in this situation. Sam's got a good one, he says. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not Sam. Chris says, who do you think
Speaker 1: is better taco or McKinley? And why two different flavors
Speaker 1: of ice cream there? Yep? I mean you have one
Speaker 1: tacos more of that left end a sending pass rusher
Speaker 1: where I think Tack obviously the better athlete. Not as
Speaker 1: big only you know, about six two and a half
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds, but he's a speedster. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see him work out. He's on Sunday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: defensive linement on Sunday. So eager to see what he
Speaker 1: does in the forty what he does in the change
Speaker 1: of direction drills. I think he's gonna blow it up
Speaker 1: where a taco. I don't expect him to do as well.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be average. I think he'll come in,
Speaker 1: you know, right around where he needs to be. But
Speaker 1: you know, it depends what kind of rusher do you
Speaker 1: want who makes the bigger impact for me? I take
Speaker 1: the guy with the better athleticism. But with that said,
Speaker 1: he also has some injury stuff, so all those things
Speaker 1: factored in. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Tacos
Speaker 1: drafted first or tax drafted first. Two pretty good names
Speaker 1: there by the way, yep. But I lean McKinley. And
Speaker 1: that's if if you're gonna just boil it down to
Speaker 1: those two, i'd lean McKinley. Yeah. McKinley measured in at
Speaker 1: six two, two hundred and fifty pounds, thirty four and
Speaker 1: three quarters arms nine and three quarters hands, great length,
Speaker 1: arm length, yeah, and then six two yeah, and Taco
Speaker 1: came in. And this is where Dane's trying to explain
Speaker 1: to you what it is. Taco comes in at six
Speaker 1: five really about six six h five five, so almost
Speaker 1: sixty six, two hundred and seventy seven pounds, So it's
Speaker 1: a different mean you're talking with twenty seven pounds difference
Speaker 1: right there. But the thing about McKinley, I think that
Speaker 1: McKinley does a better job of getting the corner. I
Speaker 1: really do. I mean, you know, with with with Taco,
Speaker 1: you see him play disengage or you see him be
Speaker 1: engaged and not quickly get rid of somebody to get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. I His play, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: more of a guy that plays. Is that left in
Speaker 1: where McKinley, to me could be the right end. Put
Speaker 1: the hand on the ground, play him a little wider
Speaker 1: and let him go to the football. And I've said
Speaker 1: this before, but when I watched Taco at Michigan, it
Speaker 1: reminds me and when I watched Justin tuck Gett, Notre
Speaker 1: Dame said a bunch, And I think that's a good player.
Speaker 1: So there's promise there. There's playing a promise. But in
Speaker 1: terms of the speedster that's gonna capture the edge, wrapped
Speaker 1: the tackle, uh, that's definitely McKinley. I think we both
Speaker 1: agree we'd rather have him. Absolutely, I'm I and y'all
Speaker 1: are the draft experts. But I've already said this, like
Speaker 1: I can't I can't get into the right end left
Speaker 1: in just I just want a good football player, like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm no, You're it's fair, but I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm drawn toward Taco Charlton because I've seen him and
Speaker 1: I just like he's a damn good football very steady,
Speaker 1: just doesn't make a lot of wild plays. His name
Speaker 1: is Fred. Would you still like him? Yes? I would, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would, But I wouldn't like Charlton. I wouldn't like
Speaker 1: him as much if his name was Fred. I just
Speaker 1: like I said, I just I think that he makes
Speaker 1: He's a steady player that I'm looking for the way
Speaker 1: you are making my point for me, and it's like
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, I'm just basically assuming I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get a wild player. You can get a wild
Speaker 1: player in the stream. Give me the high floor guy.
Speaker 1: Give me the guy with the high floor that even
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a great seat, like, he's just good.
Speaker 1: You know, Byron Jones? Is that Byron Jones for you?
Speaker 1: I mean that was where that's gotta the same pick
Speaker 1: you got there? If you didn't we think Byron Jones
Speaker 1: had a high ceiling based on his athletic ability. Though yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, did we twist jer arm On that one.
Speaker 1: I don't think. No, I'm just I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't remember saying Byron Jones was like, there's nothing spectacular
Speaker 1: about Byron Jones other than the fact he broad jumped
Speaker 1: twelve feet. But didn't we think he could grow into
Speaker 1: a back, thought he could play two positions based on
Speaker 1: his athletic I think we thought both. He had a
Speaker 1: high ceiling and a high floor. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if Chaco Charlton's got a high floor in a
Speaker 1: low ceiling, I'll take that at twenty eight, if I
Speaker 1: can just plug him in and have him be a
Speaker 1: solid player. Don't you feel like the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: lot of Taco Charlton's on their team right now at
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah, but they're not gonna find I got
Speaker 1: a bag of tacos. You're not gonna find von Miller
Speaker 1: at twenty eighth. We got a bag of tacos. You're not.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna find as many tacos as you want.
Speaker 1: You're not. I'm getting hungry. You're not gonna find Miller
Speaker 1: talking about TACCOs. Yeah. Should we do more? Please do
Speaker 1: a couple more? Um. This was a good one from
Speaker 1: Sam every you know, so many, so many questions about
Speaker 1: cornerback end in wide receivers, right, so sorry, but where
Speaker 1: do you feel the most comfortable finding a starter caliber
Speaker 1: player in the third round? At that at those positions, like,
Speaker 1: of those three, who do you feel the best about
Speaker 1: somebody being there in the third and then the least
Speaker 1: And that's a mouthful, I'm sorry, corner or defensive or
Speaker 1: corner or corner end, receiver, corner or receiver. If you're
Speaker 1: trying to draft the guy who's going to start, where,
Speaker 1: who do you feel the best about finding in the
Speaker 1: third round? Probably receiver. Um, you know, I think the
Speaker 1: good corners are going to be off the board by then,
Speaker 1: you know, I think because we're talking about a non
Speaker 1: top seventy five pick, right, yeah, yeah, late, Picky, I
Speaker 1: think all the you know, corners, corners a premium position,
Speaker 1: I think, more so than receiver. And I think for
Speaker 1: that reason, a lot of the corners will be gone,
Speaker 1: I think, just in level of importance to your roster.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers the third out of those three positions, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so I think because of that reason, because of
Speaker 1: the depth of this class, I think that wide receiver
Speaker 1: i'd feel most comfortable that there'd be a decent player
Speaker 1: at that point. There's a log jam in this draft
Speaker 1: in rounds two through four with receivers. There's no doubt about.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how possibly. I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be stacked on, stacked on, stacked receivers. It isn't be
Speaker 1: hard to differentiate, how you know, different flavors, they bring
Speaker 1: different things to the field. But to me, I would
Speaker 1: say receiver. I feel pretty confident I can still get
Speaker 1: a you know, Terence Williams, he was taking third round, right,
Speaker 1: you know, a player of that caliber could step in
Speaker 1: as a number two. Uh, you know, give me starting
Speaker 1: reps as a rookie and maybe grow into being more
Speaker 1: than you know, just a just a starter, you know,
Speaker 1: begin an impact type of player. Yeah, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I think I think the guy that has the shot.
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, I love I love the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: in this draft, I really do. And I yeah, put
Speaker 1: in the third round. You think they'll be there in
Speaker 1: the third round. No, I think a better player will
Speaker 1: be I think a better player will be a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: If you can get an Amara Darbo in the third round.
Speaker 1: The third round, yeah, that's a great thing. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. I mean there there you
Speaker 1: go down through. I love the death, like I said
Speaker 1: at corner, but I Darbo is a great example about that.
Speaker 1: Zay Jones could be Jones. Where do you have the
Speaker 1: Taylor the Yeah? I mean there there's another guy right there. Literally,
Speaker 1: I mean, how about our kid from West Virginia that
Speaker 1: we were talking about Gibson and we could talk about
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen receivers. I think I'd said this earlier this week.
Speaker 1: Is I mean every I think everybody agrees Davis and
Speaker 1: Williams are a cut above, and then everybody's got a
Speaker 1: different opinion about the next twelve. We need to know
Speaker 1: about Ross to Ross is you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: there's he's he could be up in the conversation again,
Speaker 1: it's about the medical there right, got one more? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I guess it's fitting because they were they did
Speaker 1: the interviews today Ernie. And this is vague, but drafting
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback backup quarterback Dack and and you assume
Speaker 1: that's not going to be a premium pick because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have a young starting quarterback. But I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know, and we we talked about Chad Kelly before
Speaker 1: we came here. Obviously he's not here. But I don't
Speaker 1: know any of these guys do anything for you. I
Speaker 1: mean in the middle of the draft. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: not the true Bisky's in the Watsons of the world,
Speaker 1: but somebody. I think you have to watch for the
Speaker 1: next Dak. And when I say that, I don't mean
Speaker 1: that type of player who's gonna come in and somebody somebody.
Speaker 1: Everybody missed a player that's gonna maybe fall a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: I mean Dak fell to at the end of the
Speaker 1: fourth Yeah, so we try to give me one on one, right,
Speaker 1: almost a fifth round pick, right. So I think if
Speaker 1: there's a quarterback in this draft that falls a little bit,
Speaker 1: then that could be your guy. But a guy like
Speaker 1: Nathan Peterman, a guy like Davis Webb. I think these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna pushed up in the top one hundred
Speaker 1: and that's not where you want to draft. Um. Jared
Speaker 1: Evans from Virginia Tech. I think possibly he could be
Speaker 1: that guy. He has a little bit of promise, But again,
Speaker 1: it's all about value. If one of these quarterbacks were
Speaker 1: to fall a little bit and you get that value pick,
Speaker 1: then I think it makes sense. But if you have
Speaker 1: to reach for one of these quarterbacks, no things. Yea.
Speaker 1: Luckily the Cowboys shouldn't have to do that. But honestly,
Speaker 1: and if a guy fell to the right spot four
Speaker 1: fourth round, maybe I don't know. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with rounds. Mahome's gonna end up. I was about, no, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's going first round. He has to. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it has toy, but I think there's a more likely
Speaker 1: chance he goes first round the second round. Right. Let
Speaker 1: me say this, it is it buzz combined buzz right now.
Speaker 1: And then when we get to where they start stacking
Speaker 1: these boards that people go, we're we're too scared. We're
Speaker 1: too scared to do this. I believe cowards. We don't
Speaker 1: want to put the tag up there. I believe it's
Speaker 1: I believe it's I believe the buzz because it was
Speaker 1: happening before we got here. It's not like it just fell. Oh,
Speaker 1: he had him in the top fifty. I respect him
Speaker 1: for what he did because he's absolutely right. The thing
Speaker 1: I wonder is is the other NFL team it's gonna
Speaker 1: get scared. Look at look at you have. Brian has
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in front of him, Like, read down that
Speaker 1: list and tell me, like, how who you feel great about?
Speaker 1: Oh you don't? I mean and that a guyser? You
Speaker 1: get the Notre Dame. And this isn't This conversation is
Speaker 1: not just about Mahomes. It's the top four quarterbacks. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is you they're gonna drive Mome. Okay,
Speaker 1: if if we go back to the tackle conversu quarterback
Speaker 1: in this thing, if a few, if a few tackles
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be there are going in the first because
Speaker 1: of demand, then Pat Mahomes should be going on the
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, we have no clue how these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are gonna come off the board. How many go top ten,
Speaker 1: how many go top twenty, and then how many end
Speaker 1: up in the first round. Could all four go in
Speaker 1: the first round? I think absolutely could. It's crazy. I've
Speaker 1: you've said this before. It minds me the two fourteen draft,
Speaker 1: we just have no clue who's going to be the
Speaker 1: first quarterback drafted. And this isn't true just now at
Speaker 1: the combine, when we're so many days out the day
Speaker 1: before the draft, I think I don't think we'll have
Speaker 1: any idea the order to come off the board, how
Speaker 1: many top ten, how many the first round. But I
Speaker 1: think you're you're laying the groundwork is that we should
Speaker 1: not be shocked when these quarterbacks are taken. We shouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked, No, because nobody really, even the teams might know.
Speaker 1: How many people saw, you know, Bordles going number three
Speaker 1: to Jackson Villatious and fourteen, I mean they, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they. We could have another situation like that this
Speaker 1: year where there's a team in the top you know,
Speaker 1: Jets at six, who knows, you know the guy, the
Speaker 1: Browns at twelve, Arizona at thirteen, there's several teams that
Speaker 1: you know, Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor at number ten, you
Speaker 1: just never know. And then in the back half a
Speaker 1: round one, but Kansas City, I think to me, that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense if if a Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson, one of those guys fall to Casey
Speaker 1: at the end of round one, that would be a
Speaker 1: great pick for them. You have your future starter behind
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. See that's when I had that argument where
Speaker 1: I said something about I think we were in a
Speaker 1: discussion when I said at twenty eight, what if Dallas
Speaker 1: took DeShawn Watson and everybody and we all everybody kind
Speaker 1: of looked at me, like what you see, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Good teams might figure out Dallas doesn't have
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Was actually and I know and I
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying it is the value of that,
Speaker 1: but we don't know the value it would be. It
Speaker 1: would be crazy because of all the stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: and every team has needs. But I would like, while
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, like Seattle could draft him.
Speaker 1: I love that. I think would be great. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: as long as it's not your team, right, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as soon as it becomes your team. You're like, whoa, Dan,
Speaker 1: do you feel significantly worse about this crop of guys
Speaker 1: as opposed to the twenty fourteen guys. I just I
Speaker 1: remember feeling like, yeah, I was surprised that Bortles win
Speaker 1: as high as he did, and Manzelle was a wild
Speaker 1: card and nobody really knew what to expect. But I
Speaker 1: just remember feeling more confident in that group that like
Speaker 1: they would become a lot of people liked Car, a
Speaker 1: lot of people like I think overall, it's very similar
Speaker 1: because I I you can look at all these guys
Speaker 1: and poke holes and all every one of them, but
Speaker 1: I think each quarterback has starter potential. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: kind of lukewarm on this quarterback group the top four,
Speaker 1: just like I was lukewarm them on two fourteen because
Speaker 1: you saw starter traits, but you could also poke holes
Speaker 1: in each one of their games. So and it's funny
Speaker 1: that two fourteen class of that fifth quarterback drafted is
Speaker 1: the ones getting all the buzz right now, Garoppolo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's just well, hey, the best two
Speaker 1: so far through their careers are the ones that fell
Speaker 1: in the second round, and Garlo, you love those second
Speaker 1: round quarterbacks, but they're Andy Dalton is the second round.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees exactly right. Okay, thank you so much everybody
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Speaker 1: NFL combine last portion of the show for this evening.
Speaker 1: We'll do like I said, we'll have one more show tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Dave, our loyal followers found me a three
Speaker 1: way trade. I can remember things that happened in this world.
Speaker 1: I can remember remember the eighties like I remember the
Speaker 1: eighties like I remember Bob Whitfield. Today with Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: said that the tackle from Florida Sharp was legally blind
Speaker 1: in his right eye. The first thing I thought about
Speaker 1: was Bob Whitfield, a tackle from Stanford that was picked
Speaker 1: by the Atlanta Falcons in nineteen ninety two, my very
Speaker 1: first draft, and he was legally blind in his right eye.
Speaker 1: So that's the first thing I thought about. I can
Speaker 1: remember those things you can remember, but I can't remember
Speaker 1: a three A three way trade. You can tell me
Speaker 1: Packer war stories from the nineties until you're blue in
Speaker 1: the face. I can't do that as well. Yeah, Kelso
Speaker 1: we're nothing if not accountable on the draft. We try
Speaker 1: so we're investigating educator right We're sitting here saying, oh,
Speaker 1: three team trade no NBA. In twenty ten, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: Lions and Broncos did a three team swap. The Broncos
Speaker 1: sent Tony Scheffler to Detroit, who then sent draft picks
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Speaker 1: and then uh, Detroit sent linebacker Ernie Sims to Philly,
Speaker 1: and everybody knows Ernie Sims eventually became a mediocre linebacker
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Football Cowboys. Right. Uh so, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's possible that that seems a little bit um
Speaker 1: what do I want to say? It seems a little
Speaker 1: bit low caliber compared to a Cousins Romo trade. But hey,
Speaker 1: anything there was, but that happened in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 1: So okay, there, anything's possible, Anything is possible. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. If I don't know, he asked the boss
Speaker 1: tomorrow if he's gonna pull a three team Jerry, are
Speaker 1: you gonna do a three team trade with Niners and Fins?
Speaker 1: You know, I hear a lot of guys sent around
Speaker 1: the media center, by the way, a lot of stand
Speaker 1: ups talking about Tony Romo. Of course, you know, the guy,
Speaker 1: the guy from Denver, the Gentleman Center there with the
Speaker 1: red tie. He was. He was one of the first
Speaker 1: ones over here this morning. He's my buddy from Denver.
Speaker 1: Who's the man he was? He went on a live
Speaker 1: he went on live TV this morning Denver talking and
Speaker 1: the first thing he brought up with Tony Romeo, there
Speaker 1: is not a more intriguing player in the NFL right
Speaker 1: now than Tony Romo because yeah, commanding the headlunch, Yeah
Speaker 1: I would. I mean, I'm biased because I cover the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: but you're talking about a multiple, multiple hundred games starter
Speaker 1: with flour pro bols. Jimmy Garoppolo has looked great, but
Speaker 1: he's played three games. I mean, right, and you're talking
Speaker 1: about two opposite ends of this one of the better
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league over the last decade. Real quick,
Speaker 1: if I can well. I ran into this morning, ran
Speaker 1: to a coach with the Denver Broncos that I happen
Speaker 1: to know, and I asked him about just the commitment
Speaker 1: that the Broncos have to their quarterbacks. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's really funny. He is Packiston Lynch is really immature.
Speaker 1: He goes. We've got we've got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get him to be more mature. He says, But
Speaker 1: the thing that we that that John Away he loves Simeon.
Speaker 1: That's this guy. He loves Simeon more than anybody. So
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's why the Broncos are having the way,
Speaker 1: the kind of direction. But they they feel like though
Speaker 1: that John Away feels like he's got a guy in Simeon.
Speaker 1: But they've got to work hard to get to get
Speaker 1: Packiston Lynch to care more about football, to be a guy.
Speaker 1: It's not what you want to hear. A guy to
Speaker 1: come in and be like what Dak Prescott has been.
Speaker 1: Come in, first guy in, last guy out, grind the tape,
Speaker 1: be a good teammate, be accountable, be all those things.
Speaker 1: They're having that problem right now with Paxton Lynch, which
Speaker 1: is why and you know they might have to look
Speaker 1: at a quarterback. They're gonna say everything they have to say.
Speaker 1: It's good gamesmanship, it's just smart. But like, don't don't
Speaker 1: try to tell me their ears wouldn't perk up if
Speaker 1: Tony Romo became available. No, absolutely, especially with the way
Speaker 1: we just killed all these quarterbacks in this draft. We'll
Speaker 1: get back into this running backs. We talked about four
Speaker 1: Nette talk about the day, you know, and I mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, Dalvin Cook is another guy we all loved
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, but Dane Dave, give me somebody down the line.
Speaker 1: It was there somebody down the line that that caught
Speaker 1: your eye that you're like thinking, okay, the tape and
Speaker 1: the workout match, he's a guy, maybe a second day guy,
Speaker 1: third day guy, that somebody is gonna get it, get
Speaker 1: extreme value for as a player. And and and it
Speaker 1: seems like the big buzz, the big buzz around has
Speaker 1: been about the three down player. You know who's the
Speaker 1: that was? That was the broadcast today. It was Mike
Speaker 1: if you're watching on TV as Mike may I's he's
Speaker 1: this three down guy. He's a three down guy, he said.
Speaker 1: And we've kind of been talking about that on the
Speaker 1: Draft show a bunch, even last year, even two years ago,
Speaker 1: with the te Tevin Coleman's and guys like that. We
Speaker 1: were talking about the three down him. That's what the
Speaker 1: NFL is trying to go to. But is there's somebody
Speaker 1: like that that you saw today in the in the
Speaker 1: in the in the way that the workouts went. And
Speaker 1: I'm not about McCaffrey because he blew this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you go ahead and bring up I think he had
Speaker 1: the best day of anybody that worked out on that field.
Speaker 1: He did overall, lineman, running backs, whatever, whoever worked out today,
Speaker 1: I thought he was the best one. And the three
Speaker 1: cone is just an amazing yever, it's a phenomenal numbers.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best we've seen from him running
Speaker 1: back in quite some time. Um. And this is a
Speaker 1: guy you watched him during the drills, h the receiving drills.
Speaker 1: He's outstanding. And I've said this before, He's going to
Speaker 1: run better routes than probably some receivers that are drafted
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Right. But to me, he just confirmed
Speaker 1: what we already knew. He's a first round player. He
Speaker 1: belongs in the first round. Um, he's one of the
Speaker 1: top twenty five players in this draft. If you can't
Speaker 1: figure out how to use them, you're just you need
Speaker 1: to reevaluate how you're calling plays. He's just that type
Speaker 1: of weapon with the ball in his hands. And you're
Speaker 1: not gonna give him twenty five carries a game. That's
Speaker 1: just not who he is. But give him twenty five
Speaker 1: touches a game. If you're a general manager and you
Speaker 1: pick him, do you walk into your coach, well, you
Speaker 1: probably you're welcome. Yeah, find find something for this guy
Speaker 1: to do. Here's the and he's definitely a first round player,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent obviously. And our Poul said last night
Speaker 1: the Cowboy fans really didn't want him. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I still I get I get where they're going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't if anybody think differently, But here, okay, do
Speaker 1: you agree with me on this. Whoever drafts him just
Speaker 1: by virtue of his range on the board and then
Speaker 1: what he does. Whoever drafts him isn't gonna need him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, he's not a guy
Speaker 1: that you're drafting to fill an immediate hole. I think
Speaker 1: you're drafting him as a compliment to what you already have.
Speaker 1: And that scares me well because you're not saying a
Speaker 1: really good team is going to pick him, Yeah, basically
Speaker 1: a team that already had. Like, he's not You're not
Speaker 1: drafting him and be your first running back. You're not
Speaker 1: drafting him to be your first, second or third receiver probably,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be. He's Darren Sproles. You have to
Speaker 1: draft him with a role in mind, exactly, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: I think the team that does that will be a
Speaker 1: team that can afford to pick a player like that.
Speaker 1: But what okay, what about a team like the Giants
Speaker 1: who don't have that clear cut top backs? Do the
Speaker 1: Eagles really have they? But they I mean they well
Speaker 1: they rot. Darren Sprowls made, Yeah, the obvious place New
Speaker 1: England gets brought up. I didn't want to say that
Speaker 1: because it's so obvious, but right, that is the obvious place.
Speaker 1: And they've shown they've known how to know how to
Speaker 1: use that type of talent um. But I do think
Speaker 1: a team like the Giants, a team like the Packers,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you can still use time Montgomery.
Speaker 1: It isn't Montgomery that guy that they already have? That guy? Better? Hey,
Speaker 1: have two of them? What's wrong? You know? I know
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfe always said even at the Packers, and it was, hey,
Speaker 1: if you feel good at a position, keep drafting him,
Speaker 1: keep drafting him. And you know, this kind of contradicts
Speaker 1: what I've said about you know, the Cowboys not drafting him.
Speaker 1: But if you can't figure out how to use him
Speaker 1: on your offense, I'm hey, I don't think I still
Speaker 1: don't think it would be a great idea. But having
Speaker 1: seen that and having no knowing what I know, I
Speaker 1: it would not take me long to be on board
Speaker 1: with that pick. I think you can talk yourself into that.
Speaker 1: I kind of look at some other ones back to
Speaker 1: your original. Yeah, you know. Second third, I thought t J.
Speaker 1: Logan helped himself. North Carolina running back. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a player who I I thought it's better. Elijah Hood,
Speaker 1: the running back from North Carolina, gets most of the
Speaker 1: pub I think TJ. Logan's better. Uh, more of a
Speaker 1: talking about complimentary back. That's t J. Logan. He's under
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds, but he's fast. Uh you know, give him.
Speaker 1: How well did he catch the ball at North Carolina?
Speaker 1: Pretty well? That's because it looked like in the drills
Speaker 1: there were a couple of times he struggled with that
Speaker 1: and he might have. Um, I didn't see him catch
Speaker 1: the ball today, But you know he's he's kind of
Speaker 1: that scat back. Ye use him out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: you know, get him uh, you know, moving on stretches,
Speaker 1: you know, let him one cut, get him up field.
Speaker 1: He can five he dances, but he's decisive. You know,
Speaker 1: he kind of walks that fine line uh to make
Speaker 1: guys miss. So I think t J. Logan, uh, somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle rounds would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: How about Kareem Hunt. Love him, He's a top senior
Speaker 1: back this year. That yeah, see I the speed said
Speaker 1: four six two that's fine' that's I think that shows
Speaker 1: you can catch the player a lot. Oh yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not draft him because of his speed. That's people get
Speaker 1: so wrapped up in the forty And it really doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to me for for running backs especially, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's something where how many times is a running
Speaker 1: back truly running forty yards in a straight line? If
Speaker 1: I was spending I might I would care more if
Speaker 1: I was spending a first round pick. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about a mid round pick. Yeah, I'm talking to a guy, right.
Speaker 1: How about a guy like Boom Williams from Kentucky. I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan. I didn't like his tape. I think
Speaker 1: he's underpowered. Um he's five seven one ninety. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't but the speedo you wouldn't even go back on him.
Speaker 1: But you saw the tape. You don't like I started
Speaker 1: the tape. I didn't like the tape. To me, he's
Speaker 1: a you know, a late maybe seventh round guy, maybe
Speaker 1: a p FA. I think for me, he'll probably end
Speaker 1: up as a priority free agent, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised of a team thought he'd be worth a six
Speaker 1: or seventh rounder. Let me ask you, this brad guy
Speaker 1: you're talking to me, we're talking about the three down backs,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking, um, what about what about specialists? And
Speaker 1: I know you talked to don Ald Pumphrey yesterday? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about guys like that? Again? Thinking about the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Where's where's my lance dunbar? Can I get a guy
Speaker 1: like that? Pumphrey was a guy today. I thought he
Speaker 1: had a my lance dunbar, But maybe my lucky white
Speaker 1: head I can kill. Made a great point yesterday about
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throwing too receivers or throwing to backs or whatever.
Speaker 1: The bullpen quarterbacks at this camp did these running backs
Speaker 1: no favor when they started running. Pumphrey did not get
Speaker 1: featured in anything today. The ball was either too short,
Speaker 1: too far, too wide, to this to that. He is
Speaker 1: flying home right now mad because of what happened to
Speaker 1: him today. He did not get to talk about the
Speaker 1: thing or excuse me, He did not get to show
Speaker 1: the things that he's really really good at, and that's
Speaker 1: like you know, catching the football. Those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: You know, that to me was disappointing because I wanted
Speaker 1: to see I wanted to see that. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see that role of Okay, swing it to him, wheel
Speaker 1: it to him, throw it to the screen, throw the
Speaker 1: flat through, all that stuff to him. He didn't get
Speaker 1: one ball thrown well to him today. Hey, I know
Speaker 1: we're in our final minutes. I want to touch on
Speaker 1: a few things we saw today from the receivers and
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that came through here. Yeah. Uh, Mike Williams
Speaker 1: deciding not to run. You know, it's one of those
Speaker 1: guys who we kind of you know, if he ran
Speaker 1: a good time, could he cement himself over Corey Davis's
Speaker 1: top guy, you think, oh yeah, because he said he
Speaker 1: kind of danced around it. But he said, you know,
Speaker 1: I only have to run a forty yard dash once
Speaker 1: in my life. I'm gonna you know, he kind of said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure it's the best I can run.
Speaker 1: And I don't fault him for that. He'll run out
Speaker 1: of the Pro Day. But if he doesn't do well there,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have another time to make it up. Don't
Speaker 1: don't you just I don't I don't fault him for
Speaker 1: it either, but just just do it. Just just compete. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he mentioned Jerry Rays didn't have a good one.
Speaker 1: He mentioned Antonio Brown out right now. He was laying
Speaker 1: laying the groundwork for disappointing. It's going to be right,
Speaker 1: and that's what you worry about. So, uh, is he
Speaker 1: a four six athlete? Is that just what he is? Um?
Speaker 1: What else? Today? David and JOKEU. I thought he was
Speaker 1: really impressive up there for a twenty year old player, Jake,
Speaker 1: but two was another guy in Joku. He uh, he
Speaker 1: wants to break the broad jump record and so Byron Jones, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're on, You're on notice? Are you kidding me? I
Speaker 1: wasn't there for that part. Yea, the tight end is
Speaker 1: gonna break Byron's record and at two hundred forty six pounds, okay,
Speaker 1: at two hundred and twenty pounds in high school he
Speaker 1: was a high school national hurdler or a national jump champion.
Speaker 1: So you know, is he gonna break twelve three? Probably not,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he thinks he can is amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: the record for a player over two hundred forty pounds
Speaker 1: is Jamie Collins, who did it I think he was
Speaker 1: eleven seven, So that's to me, that's the goal for
Speaker 1: and Joko if he can get eleven seven or better,
Speaker 1: which is just an ungodly number. That's a sill, that's
Speaker 1: a full half sandwich away like further Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1: So tomorrow we will have on the workouts quarterback, quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: wide receivers, and tight end. I remember day and that
Speaker 1: used to be the tight ends with the last group
Speaker 1: to work out on a Monday. Our guy Shaheen too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got see and we'll document that tomorrow night. Get
Speaker 1: ready for that. Shy Okay. Well, that's all the time
Speaker 1: we have out there. Thanks to everybody. Let's say special
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