WEBVTT - Miss NC USA Dethroned For “Conduct Over An Extended Period Of Time”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, August sixth and she

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<v Speaker 1>was crowned Miss North Carolina just a month ago. Today

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<v Speaker 1>she's waking up the ex Miss North Carolina. So what

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<v Speaker 1>did she do to lose the crown? Yeah, you guessed

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<v Speaker 1>some old social media posts And with that, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of Amy and TJ. They they got a

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<v Speaker 1>little love islandy here on this thing, didn't they? This

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<v Speaker 1>seems familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this has been a theme this summer specifically. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven year old Britney Bolton House, who yes, up

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<v Speaker 2>until yesterday, was Miss North Carolina USA twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>and was supposed to compete in the seventy fifth annual

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<v Speaker 2>Missed USA contest exactly three weeks from tonight. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>as a former pageant contestant, I can tell you when

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<v Speaker 2>you get to these big state levels and then go

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<v Speaker 2>on to the national championship, there is so much work

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<v Speaker 2>that is going on behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>To get you ready for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So to have this happen just weeks before the big

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<v Speaker 2>national Miss USA televised broadcast competition, this is a huge

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<v Speaker 2>deal and it had to rise to a very high

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<v Speaker 2>level for them to strip her of her crown just

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks before Miss USA.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, rises to what level some social media posts. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this plenty of times. Folks who have never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of her had no idea she was Mith North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina can already guess possibly what got her in drum?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I'll say this Officially, it's vague. Officially, we

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<v Speaker 2>heard from the producers of the Miss North Carolina USA pageant,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've heard from the Miss USA pageant, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are dancing around what many many outlets are reporting that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>some old social media posts came to light where she

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<v Speaker 2>used the racial world that no person who isn't black

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<v Speaker 2>can say the N word.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and they did reference that.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was that she said, it wasn't a one off,

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't an oopsie. It was a repeated pattern of abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they wanted to make that point. Does it matter

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<v Speaker 1>if it was one as a matter of if it

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<v Speaker 1>was two, Like, how many times do you need to

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<v Speaker 1>say the N word and you're not a black person

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<v Speaker 1>before you say, ooh, you know what two is our limit?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what I don't necessarily understand that. But they

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<v Speaker 1>say they didn't have to make that call because apparently

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<v Speaker 1>from what's out there, she was a regular user of

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<v Speaker 1>the inWORD uh, that is correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did say this that Brittany will soon issue

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<v Speaker 2>her own statement, and they say that they have done

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<v Speaker 2>this deliberately because they want her to be the one

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<v Speaker 2>to speak about this in her own voice, and they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to honor that.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's what they did say.

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<v Speaker 2>The miss USA organization does not tolerate racism, homophobia, transphobia,

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<v Speaker 2>nor language that strips any person of their dignity, whoever

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<v Speaker 2>they are. They said, a title isn't a trick. It

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<v Speaker 2>it is a position of trust extended by an organization

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<v Speaker 2>and accepted by a woman who agrees that to carry

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<v Speaker 2>that standard in public. I thought it was interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>this is what they went on to say. When that

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<v Speaker 2>standard is broken, the title cannot continue as though nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What was brought to us was not a single moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It reflected conduct over an extended period of time. That

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<v Speaker 2>is why this outcome was reached and I stand behind

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<v Speaker 2>it without qualification.

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<v Speaker 1>They put on a long statement that said a lot

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<v Speaker 1>without saying enough. For whatever reason, so they I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they didn't want to embarrass her. More clearly. They

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<v Speaker 1>know whatever was presented to them and they just chose

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<v Speaker 1>not to share. Now, I didn't expect them to put

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<v Speaker 1>out every message that came to. Their attention to it

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<v Speaker 1>was vague. It's like she hit everything, racism, trans galmophobia, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I haven't seen anything other than the N word.

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<v Speaker 2>So the allegations NC BEAT North Carolina Beat.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a local news outlet.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually have a list of social media posts they

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<v Speaker 2>say that they have verified between twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You can look at it for yourselves. But it is repeated,

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<v Speaker 2>it is casual, it is comfortable, It absolutely appears old.

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<v Speaker 3>She's twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven now correct, This stuff goes back nine plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, she would have been a teenager at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all posted under the name of Sosa,

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<v Speaker 2>this Stallion, and she goes by Sosa, Mama Sosa. Her

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<v Speaker 2>middle name is Alandra, so she used this name Sosa beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Alandra was her online persona, and she called herself Sosa

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<v Speaker 2>the Stallion, And under that name, there are a number,

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<v Speaker 2>as they pointed out, not just one, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of posts that do use the N word that talk

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<v Speaker 2>about or brag about being a toxic person. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this, A lot of the arguments have been made.

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<v Speaker 2>When you saw the Love Island controversies pop up, people say,

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<v Speaker 2>this was from ten years ago. I was a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what I was doing. A mistake shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>define someone's entire life.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Went and went through these social media posts and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a pretty quick swift decision once they saw the

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<v Speaker 2>totality of them. But I do appreciate your point. Is

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<v Speaker 2>one time using it enough or do you have to

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<v Speaker 2>show a pattern of abuse? Does it need to be

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<v Speaker 2>a year's long experience where you are misguided or too

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<v Speaker 2>young to understand? And look, does it matter her ethnicity

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<v Speaker 2>in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what they said to her. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>they had a conversation with her. I wanted they gave

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<v Speaker 1>her an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>They did so.

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<v Speaker 2>They did specify that the decision actually was made together

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<v Speaker 2>with her, her state directors, and in consultation with the

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<v Speaker 2>miss USA organization.

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<v Speaker 1>In consultation. What does that mean? She she gotta say

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<v Speaker 1>she got to vote. I don't know about that. She

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say in consultation. And we all agree those.

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<v Speaker 3>Are the words that they use.

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<v Speaker 2>That those are the words that miss USA organization used specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and I get it for folks who don't, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're not going to track these down these

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<v Speaker 1>messages that are out there, she is. At least I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen a single one in which she was referring

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<v Speaker 1>to someone and calling them this name in order to

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<v Speaker 1>be racist. If you are reading these posts, you would

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<v Speaker 1>just assume a black person was writing them, because she

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<v Speaker 1>is talking like a young black person would talk, a

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<v Speaker 1>kid would talk, from language you hear all the time

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<v Speaker 1>in certain circles. Nothing surprising about what I read. To

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<v Speaker 1>be quite honest with you, you say it came from

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<v Speaker 1>came from somebody that's not black, and that will raise

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<v Speaker 1>alarm bells now the decision they made. Look, people can

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<v Speaker 1>be offended. You know, I'm one that's not offended by

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<v Speaker 1>the N word because I'm from Arkansas, I'm from the South.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been called at plenty. Just that just doesn't phaze me.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get wound up about it. It's offensive

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<v Speaker 1>and shouldn't be used. We're on the same page at

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<v Speaker 1>least we should be roll This is this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is one where a woman was the background Honduran and Mexican.

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<v Speaker 2>She's Honduran and Mexican. She's fully Latina. Her parents were immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>She speaks Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>She grew up in North Carolina, some smaller little town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a smaller town in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Who did she grow up around? I would like to know,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a thing, uh, And it's very much

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<v Speaker 1>a public thing for some that grow up in Latino

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<v Speaker 1>communities right next door to black folks, and they grow

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<v Speaker 1>up with black folks, and they grow up hearing that

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<v Speaker 1>word all the time, and they grow up using that

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<v Speaker 1>word all the time around black people who they believe

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<v Speaker 1>are giving them permission to do. So you become a

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<v Speaker 1>part of that community, and because your skin is brown,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you're able to get rid of it. Fat Joe

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<v Speaker 1>throws the in word around all the time. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>rapper for a Dominican, no Puerto Rican and Cuban. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is his background, but he grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bronx group around black folks. He wraps all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a line in the song who the F Gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell Me? That I can't say hmmm, And then he

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<v Speaker 1>says it and no, no, no, no no. He says

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<v Speaker 1>it like seven times. He makes a point of it

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<v Speaker 1>in even one of his songs. I'm saying, some complicating

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<v Speaker 1>factors come in to where I don't know who's running

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<v Speaker 1>that that that pageant, who is sitting down and was

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<v Speaker 1>willing to listen to her about why about why you

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<v Speaker 1>were so comfortable at seventeen eighteen years old to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she could have given anybody sitting

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<v Speaker 1>across the table from her that's white an answer that

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<v Speaker 1>they would understand. But I like the idea of having

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation robes. It's okay that we're having it and

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't have the crown, But imagine the conversation that

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<v Speaker 1>could be had if she had the crown. She could

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<v Speaker 1>go out and promote and talk. I screwed up. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be the end of your life like

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<v Speaker 1>there was an I just you know how I am

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<v Speaker 1>about throwing people away. I don't think we're throwing her away.

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<v Speaker 1>Fully what this is. I think this is not a

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<v Speaker 1>racist woman necessarily don't know her, but I'm saying the

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<v Speaker 1>way she was talking, she's talking in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very familiar with Some Latinos talking and getting permission

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<v Speaker 1>from some black folks to talk that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Babe.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so fascinating, And you are right. White people

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it. We don't get it. We know we're

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<v Speaker 2>not supposed to say the N word, but we don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand why some people would and would feel comfortable with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you just explain, I think a light bulb

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<v Speaker 2>might have gone off for a lot of funks. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not giving permission or saying it's okay, but explaining the

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<v Speaker 2>why behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're right when you look at.

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<v Speaker 2>These social media posts that are connected to her, they

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<v Speaker 2>aren't calling someone out for being something. It's just using

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<v Speaker 2>the word in everyday conversation that seemed very comfortable and

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<v Speaker 2>very common.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's loose, it was no can you what does it?

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<v Speaker 1>I won't even put a social media post up with

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<v Speaker 1>the N word. I won't because you just don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not appropriate. You don't. She was comfortable and she's seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen or whatever the time. Yeah, it's not an excuse. Please,

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<v Speaker 1>the announcement should be made once again, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>not black, don't use the innword. That is the rule.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if you're brown. Even if you grew up around

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, doesn't matter what group of black folks

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up in your little town in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>If they gave you permission. The folks from Memphis, where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from, didn't give you permission, right, We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>you like that. You just don't use it. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>blanket rule, period. Nothing else talk about folks, nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. Don't care who you are except for you

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<v Speaker 1>Fat Joe. You know I love Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, why does he get a pass? No, Seriously, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Curious because of where he came from and how he

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<v Speaker 1>came up. And he has decades robes in the community

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<v Speaker 1>showing himself being a part of the community. And he

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<v Speaker 1>also robes came up with people who were in in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of studios with their boy Fat Joe, who

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<v Speaker 1>was just talking in the studio now and rapping the

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<v Speaker 1>same way he's been rapping and talking to us on

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<v Speaker 1>the street. And he's just gained that acceptance. I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people looking at Fat Joe don't know what he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna get mad at him. Lean back and

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<v Speaker 1>lean back. You ain't mad. You know my inwords, don't dance,

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<v Speaker 1>we just pull up our pants. And due to rock Away,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Joe, that's Cuban, Puerto Rican Joe. Is it Dominica?

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get it right.

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<v Speaker 3>But he ain't.

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<v Speaker 1>He ain't black. His most popular song, he's dropping the

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<v Speaker 1>word repeatedly. Nobody's calling for his head. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not excusing this, young lady. But there's a next

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<v Speaker 1>question to ask before we just condemn. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>that was my first thing, is she white?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because when I first brought you this story, you

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<v Speaker 2>started asking me all sorts of questions about her background,

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<v Speaker 2>her ethnicity, if her parents were immigrants, if she spoke Spanish,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, why does any of this matter?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand why you were asking so many follow ups.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought, it's wrong. What does it matter? So

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<v Speaker 3>that is wrong, really fascinating is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>We are the same page as wrong. But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>you a white girl who had posted all that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>very different, I would have a different response.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so I mean that, and that is why these

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<v Speaker 2>conversations are important. And to your point about not throwing

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<v Speaker 2>her under the bus to this to the extent that

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<v Speaker 2>she can never actually have a life again worth living.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that the Miss USA pageant did put

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<v Speaker 2>in their statement, and I think you might appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a young woman at the center of this.

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<v Speaker 2>She has been named, examined, and judged in a public

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<v Speaker 2>in public in a way that most of us would

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<v Speaker 2>not survive. And she is still a human being with

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<v Speaker 2>a family, a future, and a life ahead of her

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<v Speaker 2>that is longer than this part of her journey. I

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<v Speaker 2>will not run an organization that pretends otherwise. I have

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<v Speaker 2>never believed that accountability requires cruelty, or that holding a

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<v Speaker 2>line means enjoying the fall of the person who crossed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero tolerance is a standard for conduct. It is not

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<v Speaker 2>permission to strip someone of their humanity, which is after all,

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<v Speaker 2>precisely the thing we are holding her accountable for doing

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<v Speaker 2>to others.

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<v Speaker 1>Too late, it's social media, she's going to get eviscerated.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what conversation happening now about her. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's a girl named Britney Bolton House.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you immediately are imagining that's not a black person

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear the name. I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to look into her and what her

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<v Speaker 1>background is and where her family's from and all this

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, and for a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. She used the inWORD lose the crown. You

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<v Speaker 1>should lose the jobs, you should lose, you should be

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<v Speaker 1>completely condemned. You know how many non white women excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>non black women are walking around right now in their

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<v Speaker 1>late twenties, early thirties, having a good old time career

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<v Speaker 1>taken off, maybe young, married, got a child who got

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<v Speaker 1>a whole list inwards, social media posts from the past

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<v Speaker 1>and videos because they were jamming out in high school

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<v Speaker 1>and college and just using in word, throwing around hip

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<v Speaker 1>hop and all. Yes, haven't ever. Yes, there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of them out there like that, and so we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>more and more. How many girls on Love Island, Billy?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's to this year, right, but it's go

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<v Speaker 2>back last year there were another two. A different one

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<v Speaker 2>was an Asian slur, but still same concept applies. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back, we're gonna tell you about the

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<v Speaker 2>new Miss North Carolina, USA. And guess what, she's a

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<v Speaker 2>black woman. Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about the Miss North Carolina US a controversy,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, we now have a new Miss North Carolina USA.

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<v Speaker 3>She's twenty four years old.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the first runner up and her name is

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<v Speaker 2>Mila Hadley and she will now compete for the title

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<v Speaker 2>of Miss USA. And yes, as I mentioned before the break,

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<v Speaker 2>she is a black woman. And look, that's just the

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<v Speaker 2>way it was. She was the first runner up, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably should have run. Oh the irony what she

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<v Speaker 1>probably should have won in the first place, probably got.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, but we did hear. So we're still waiting

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<v Speaker 3>on Brittany.

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<v Speaker 2>As of this recording, still haven't gotten a statement from her.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mila Hadley, the new Miss North Carolina USA, was

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<v Speaker 2>quick to update her Instagram. She already has her crown

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<v Speaker 2>and Miss North Carolina twenty twenty six under her bio.

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<v Speaker 2>But she did put out a statement and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you to everyone for all the support and love

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<v Speaker 2>you've shown me.

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<v Speaker 3>Throughout this entire process.

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<v Speaker 2>I am extremely grateful and humbled by all the encouraging

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<v Speaker 2>messages and the support I've received. I understand the seriousness

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<v Speaker 2>and level of prestige that this title carries, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can confidently say that both my team and I are

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<v Speaker 2>ready to take this on. While this may seem like

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<v Speaker 2>a two week turnaround, given the circumstances, I have been

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<v Speaker 2>preparing to represent at miss USA since I first competed

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<v Speaker 2>with this organization. I am ready to represent North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna pull off with Kamala Harris here. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>time to prepare for the election, but do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Look Look, the good news is that this was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the later state pageants, So the point being, she

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<v Speaker 2>was in pageant form and ready to go as of

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<v Speaker 2>late June, so only a month has passed. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not as if suddenly she got rusty. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>say got like, look, these women work out like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Their bodies are fit as hell. You have the interview section,

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<v Speaker 2>and so just you gotta brush up on your interviewing skills.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta make sure you're fit. You got to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure your mindset's ready. But she's got two weeks before

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<v Speaker 2>she heads to Miami, and then the competition again is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly three weeks from tonight at eight pm in Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine how wonderful a question I would have watched

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<v Speaker 1>the pageant if you told me Bolton House was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be up there, and she was gonna have to in

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<v Speaker 1>the interview section answer a question about saying the N

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<v Speaker 1>word and what that means and what that represents. To

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<v Speaker 1>do it on that stage, hot to pay attention, how

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's so interesting because I never thought

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<v Speaker 2>about it as a lost opportunity. But how do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that would be received though generally speaking by the

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<v Speaker 2>black community, that she would be allowed to keep her

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<v Speaker 2>crown despite what was seen on social media. But given

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to make amends or to have a teachable

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<v Speaker 2>moment for folks out there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when we come into having letting some more reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>voices come through that are our Our reaction to anything

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<v Speaker 1>that goes wrong is just outrage. Let me immediately be outrage,

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<v Speaker 1>and your outraged before you ask a question? Outrage? Then

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<v Speaker 1>what is the uh? What's the thing? Not? Not aim?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it? Aim? Shoot? What's the reverse order.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the aam shoot? Fire? Fire? Shoot? Aim?

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<v Speaker 1>Fire? You fire and then you aim right, you fire

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<v Speaker 1>and then you That's what we do when we react

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<v Speaker 1>to things. We just get outraged and then where does

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<v Speaker 1>it go? We had to direct it to somebody, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do? And so I think there would have

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<v Speaker 1>been some awful reaction. I think there would have been

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<v Speaker 1>awful reaction from people who just hop on they see

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<v Speaker 1>a headline and you respond to whatever click theait there is,

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<v Speaker 1>bro this is this is happening enough on major stages

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<v Speaker 1>with the same people every time, young non black women. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have that conversation about what you should be doing,

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<v Speaker 1>what you should be teaching your kids. Do we really

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<v Speaker 1>need to tell folks again? Private public doesn't matter. Where

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<v Speaker 1>you are, doesn't matter if you're sitting on the toilet

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<v Speaker 1>by yourself. Don't utter the inward. Don't if you're not black.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't follow that general rule. It will save you

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<v Speaker 1>your opportunity on Love Island that's coming seven years from now. Possibly. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>tell your kids you want to be on Love Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop you want to run for office, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>have any sort of basic public job or position these

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<v Speaker 2>days now, your social media is going to absolutely determine

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<v Speaker 2>your fate the in word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just crazy that anyone sit and again, I just

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<v Speaker 1>maybe folks would take issue with what I'm saying. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just not immediately outraged and condemning. I support if they

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<v Speaker 1>want the crown to be taken away I understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>but man, what an opportunity to have a different conversation

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<v Speaker 1>robes and it is does matter the degrees to which

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<v Speaker 1>you get in trouble for saying the N word, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you publicly you say it. If you're black, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. If you're Latina it's another. If you're white

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<v Speaker 1>it's another. Yeah, those are just different levels of like

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<v Speaker 1>first degree versus manslaughter with white folks and Latinas is

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<v Speaker 1>a different crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>That is fair, But I mean, I really think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a fascinating conversation and with all the headlines, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be having more of them. But there is

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<v Speaker 2>just this one basic rule to follow, and you said

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<v Speaker 2>it very clearly and very plainly. There are no circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>in which saying the N word is okay if you

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<v Speaker 2>are not black, period, end of story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chris Rock has one scenario, but I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get it, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Fat Joe might be the only exception. That's what I learned.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know this, I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning you would be surprised if some of the folks,

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<v Speaker 1>prominent folks and then you know what, let me stop. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're good let'll just stick.

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<v Speaker 2>With this all right, and without everyone, We always appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I made me Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk soon.