WEBVTT - Ep. 214: Gillett Coon Supper

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<v Speaker 1>What are the things you have in your life that

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<v Speaker 1>are really valuable but you don't pay for and you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't quite sell them.

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<v Speaker 2>In January of twenty twenty four, the Gillette Coonsupper celebrated

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<v Speaker 2>its eightieth annual dinner. This bizarre wild game tradition has

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<v Speaker 2>made a name for itself as one of the premier

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<v Speaker 2>political events in Arkansas. But it's more than that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>holding a struggling but strong community together. This is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most unique Beargrea stories we've ever told. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a deep dive into small town America and what makes

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<v Speaker 2>us what we are. We'll go to the Coon Supper

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<v Speaker 2>and hear from the cooks, the coon hunters, and some

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<v Speaker 2>hungry people. We'll interview best selling author Tim P. Carney

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<v Speaker 2>about why traditions like this matter and believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also hear from former President Bill Clinton about his

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<v Speaker 2>interaction with the Coon Supper. This episode will surprise and

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<v Speaker 2>impact you, and we'll teach you something about yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>about society. Eating barbecue raccoon has never been so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I really doubt you're gonna want to miss this one.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you say? There's a prime cut on a Coon.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all it's all prime. It's all prime, all prime,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. My name is Klay Nukem, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant,

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<v Speaker 2>search for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>the story of Americans who live their lives close to

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<v Speaker 2>the land. Presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose

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<v Speaker 2>built hunting and fishing gear as designed to be as

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<v Speaker 2>rugged as the places we explored.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Scott Place. I'm from Gillette, Arkansas. I

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<v Speaker 4>live on Main Street and I've been associated with the

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<v Speaker 4>Coon Supper all my life. My dad was a master

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<v Speaker 4>of ceremonies for it from the beginning up until nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>eighty nine or ninety. So I had to go to

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<v Speaker 4>the Coon Supper one night I was even a little

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<v Speaker 4>guy because there was nowhere else to be. You couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>hire a babysitter or anything like that because everybody was

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<v Speaker 4>at the Coon Supper.

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<v Speaker 2>The first recorded coons Supper took place in nineteen thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott was born in nineteen fifty four. He's seventy years

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<v Speaker 2>old and he was born in the house he's sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in right now. In downtown Gillette. It's a handsome, well

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of brick home with white modern sighting. It

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<v Speaker 2>was his parents before it was his. Scott is a

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<v Speaker 2>second generation rice farmer.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was at the first coon Supper. He was

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<v Speaker 4>a people person, and he sang and danced on the

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<v Speaker 4>stage when he couldn't sing and dance. And it started

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<v Speaker 4>as just a stag gathering from coon hunters around the area.

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<v Speaker 4>Well then you can imagine that got a little rough,

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<v Speaker 4>and so the next year or two they decided to

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<v Speaker 4>invite the women, and then it took off from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Gillette is a small farming town in the Delta of

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<v Speaker 2>southeast Arkansas. Their Coon Supper is more than a citywide tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an event that brings an entire region together, really

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<v Speaker 2>an entire state. Today. Scott place, like his father, is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the grand marshal of this event, not officially,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wouldn't want me to say that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>my perception. The Coonsuper's importance to anyone who's been to

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<v Speaker 2>it is clear, but it's hard to nail down. Amid

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<v Speaker 2>the complexity of economic challenges and the loss of population,

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<v Speaker 2>people are leaving places like this and not coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>These are real problems for many small towns in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Existential time is moving forward without you, kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that seems to hover over the delta like a biblical plague.

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<v Speaker 2>Just down the street from Scott's house lives Gillette's top politician,

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor, Randy Womack. He lives on the corner of

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<v Speaker 2>Main Street. He and Scott were college roommates. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>need some info on Gillette.

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<v Speaker 5>Back when we.

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<v Speaker 6>Moved here in the sixties. At that time there was

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<v Speaker 6>close to nine hundred people the best I can remember,

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<v Speaker 6>say since last census, best I can remember around five

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and twenty five. But it's changed, like a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of delta towns have changed as the tractor's got bigger

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<v Speaker 6>and eliminated a lot of a lot of the workers,

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<v Speaker 6>so it's gradually gotten smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a row crop farming community where soybeans, rice, wheat,

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<v Speaker 2>and corn grow in alluvial soils. They call buckshot, which

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<v Speaker 2>is fertile clay that holds water, sticks to your boots

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<v Speaker 2>and they say it holds the world together. She Lett

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<v Speaker 2>is four miles north of the Arkansas River and forty

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<v Speaker 2>river miles southeast or twenty eight point two seven crow

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<v Speaker 2>flying miles to where the Arkansas River flows into the

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<v Speaker 2>Mighty Mississippi River. The bigger name for this bigger region

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<v Speaker 2>is the Delta. You've heard us talk about it a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but more specifically, Gillette is in the Grand Prairie. These

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<v Speaker 2>soils have been built by ten thousand years of flooding.

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<v Speaker 2>The Quapalls farmed here from time immemorial into the early

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen hundreds, and modern farming commercial operations have only been

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<v Speaker 2>practiced here for roughly one hundred years. But one thing

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<v Speaker 2>is certain, if you live here, you're invested. Something about

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<v Speaker 2>the flat, muddy ground of the Delta evokes that in people.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a word for a person's relationship with their community.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called social capital. Just file that away for a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're about to go to the Coon Supper. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's still one important piece of the story that we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't talked about yet. The Gillette school system. Something happened

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<v Speaker 2>to their.

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<v Speaker 6>School football games. Doesn't matter what the record was. Stadium

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<v Speaker 6>was going on be full basketball game, kind of the

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<v Speaker 6>center part of the town when the consolidation had all

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<v Speaker 6>come and I understand what it was cased in the

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<v Speaker 6>state in as many school district as the were, or

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<v Speaker 6>so they went about and you know, putting limit on

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<v Speaker 6>what the tennis was once you got to blow that number.

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<v Speaker 2>You may have heard Randy grunt right there at the

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<v Speaker 2>end when he did. He was shaking his head as

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<v Speaker 2>if something died and he didn't want to speak it

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<v Speaker 2>out loud. The school was central to the town. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the social glue. Do you let schools consolidated with

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger school system in two thousand and four. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what Scott thought about the school closing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's awful, but one thing led to another, the suspense

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<v Speaker 4>of whether the school was going to shut down after

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<v Speaker 4>it was officially consolidated, know the district, how long was

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<v Speaker 4>it going to stay open? So nobody moves into town

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<v Speaker 4>and your slow death. It's agonizing. But the way farming

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<v Speaker 4>farm economy has changed, and the land that we farm

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<v Speaker 4>in the fifties supported twenty families and now the three

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<v Speaker 4>or four and everybody has two kids instead of nine.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not enough kids support us a school in this

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<v Speaker 4>area anymore. And so this is just inevitable.

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<v Speaker 2>Inevitable is a powerful and intimidating word for rural America.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and four was the beginning of the end

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<v Speaker 2>for Gillette schools. They kept them open for five years,

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<v Speaker 2>but in two thousand and nine they completely closed the

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<v Speaker 2>high school in junior high, but the grade school K

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<v Speaker 2>through five stayed open until twenty twenty one, when the

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<v Speaker 2>last of the Gillette schools were completely closed. Today the

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<v Speaker 2>kids bus fourteen miles to de Witt or d Wit

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<v Speaker 2>as some would say. But it's not all bad. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a matter of perspective. This is seth place. Scott's son,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in his early forties, lives in Gillette, but his

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<v Speaker 2>kids go to DeWitt schools.

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<v Speaker 7>It got heated there for a while with the school

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<v Speaker 7>consolidation and all that stuff. And it was no big

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<v Speaker 7>secret about some hard feelings here and there or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>But when I think about Gillette and how it used

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<v Speaker 7>to be, that's how I feel when I go where

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<v Speaker 7>my kids go to school up here at d WIT.

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<v Speaker 7>Though it's basically from my perspective, the community has grown.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an optimistic perspective, and Gillette does have a history

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<v Speaker 2>of expanding its reach. On January thirteenth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Gillette held its eightieth annual Coon Supper. Despite the child olenges,

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<v Speaker 2>this event is a bright spot on the calendar that

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<v Speaker 2>brings this community together. It gives it identity and is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the only anchors that is held. Myself, my

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<v Speaker 2>wife Misty, along with Brent and his wife drove to

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<v Speaker 2>the Grand Prairie to see it for ourselves. This is

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<v Speaker 2>about to get wild, folks, but let's not jump the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>The first stop that we made was not at the

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<v Speaker 2>Coon Supper, but at the Gillette Pre Coon Supper. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>the pre Coon Supper, which starts about two hours before

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<v Speaker 2>the Coon Supper. We've driven a couple of miles down

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<v Speaker 2>a gravel road in park by a large metal building.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the late Congressman Mary and Barry's farm shed.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this? I hear music? I've never been here before.

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<v Speaker 8>Name is Clay Clay Leslie.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice to see a guy in dark framed glasses wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a man dadish kind of barbecue and apron greets me.

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<v Speaker 2>He carries himself like a guy in charge. I bet

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<v Speaker 2>he knows what's up with this pre coonsupper stuff. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how's it going? Hey doing kway? Newcomer? Give me like

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<v Speaker 2>a little overview of the Coon Supper or and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even this event.

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<v Speaker 9>So uh so, yeah, we're we're here at the at

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<v Speaker 9>the very farm shop. So this is uh the pre

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<v Speaker 9>coonsupper reception.

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<v Speaker 3>So this, this.

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<v Speaker 9>Event, you know, really goes back fifty years. Uh So

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<v Speaker 9>former Congressman Marrion Barry, he used to live right across

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<v Speaker 9>the street from the Gillette High School and uh when

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<v Speaker 9>people and elected officials and Canadas would come down and

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<v Speaker 9>come to the Coon Supper, they'd stopped at his house

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<v Speaker 9>to have a cocktail before going over the coon Supper.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Gabe Holstrom, and he just told us a

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<v Speaker 2>very important component of the tradition that has become the

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<v Speaker 2>political event of Arkansas. Let's see who else is here.

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<v Speaker 10>My name is Jeremiah Moore. I'm from Clarenon, Arkansas. Currently

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<v Speaker 10>serve as a state representative for House District sixty one

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<v Speaker 10>in the Arkansas State Legislature. My district runs from Amigon

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<v Speaker 10>in Jackson County all the way down to Gillette in

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<v Speaker 10>Arkansas County. And I would be remiss if I did

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<v Speaker 10>not say that District sixty one has the best duck

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<v Speaker 10>hunting in.

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<v Speaker 2>All the world.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, we're here right now at the Gillette pre

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<v Speaker 10>Coon Supper.

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to be confused with the coon souber. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a pre coon safer.

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<v Speaker 10>We're about to head on to the actual coon Supper

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<v Speaker 10>in a few minutes. And I always say that this

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<v Speaker 10>is the foremost political event in the entire state of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 10>Now you tell me any state east or west of

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<v Speaker 10>the Mississippi where the foremost political event revolves around eating

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<v Speaker 10>a raccoon, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Now it'll be right here in Jillette.

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<v Speaker 2>So now, this pre he Coonsupper became a must attend

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<v Speaker 2>event in part because of Arkansas's most famous son, a

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<v Speaker 2>young man who became Arkansas's governor in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the guy that Gary Believer Nukan went to

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<v Speaker 2>high school with, and you may recognize his voice. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>step out of the pre coon Supper for a minute

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<v Speaker 2>to a speech this former governor made in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 11>So when I started to run for office, the lad

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<v Speaker 11>had about eight hundred people and they were about as

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<v Speaker 11>I recall, a minimum of fifteen hundred people that showed

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<v Speaker 11>up at the Coon Sufferer.

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<v Speaker 2>This is former President Bill Clinton. Turns out he's a

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<v Speaker 2>long time coon supper guy.

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<v Speaker 11>And someone I said, you know, you've got to do this,

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<v Speaker 11>and you've got to call Marion Barry and you got

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<v Speaker 11>to go down there and see him make all over

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<v Speaker 11>the deal and act like you think coon is better

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<v Speaker 11>than Philet Mignon. So I show up and it was

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<v Speaker 11>already kind of required appearance to go to Marion's house first,

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<v Speaker 11>and all the paul for there and other people, and

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<v Speaker 11>then we'd mody over to the dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking about the pre coon supper, and.

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<v Speaker 11>So I said, Marrying, do I actually have to eat

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<v Speaker 11>his coon? He said no, He said not if you

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<v Speaker 11>don't want to carry this place ever again, you don't

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<v Speaker 11>have to eat it at all.

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<v Speaker 12>And I said, well, okay.

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<v Speaker 11>How do I eat it? He said, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 11>I said, I've seen it prepared for eating, and I said,

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<v Speaker 11>there's a lot of gristlin fat right near the bone.

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<v Speaker 11>How do I eat it without getting sick? He said, well,

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<v Speaker 11>most people think they're eat coon meat with a little

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<v Speaker 11>barbecue sauce. You should think of it in reverse, thinking

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<v Speaker 11>you're eating barbecue sauce with a little coon. Mea, there's

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<v Speaker 11>no such thing as too much barbecue sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>Ironically, This is the second time Bill Clinton's voice has

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<v Speaker 2>been on the Bear Grease podcast, and he was once

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<v Speaker 2>involved in a plane crash on the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>coon Supper, but that's another story. But Clinton helped put

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<v Speaker 2>this tradition on the legendary column of Arkansas events. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's now time for us to go to the supper.

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<v Speaker 2>We're really about to eat some coon. This isn't a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just left the pre coon supper party. Brent,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, well, there was no coon served, but lots of conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>But the food was good. There was duck poppers that's

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<v Speaker 3>duck wrapped with bacon and jalapenos, and there was ribs

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<v Speaker 3>and sausage.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we're driving on a gravel road in the

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Prairie of Arkansas. It's dark, the sun has set

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a light glow on the horizon on the

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<v Speaker 2>western horizon, and we're now headed to the Gillette Coon Souper.

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<v Speaker 2>As we get into the Gillette city limits, the streets

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<v Speaker 2>are filled with parked cars and people walking towards the school.

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<v Speaker 2>We get out of our car. It looks like we're

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<v Speaker 2>walking up to an old gymnasium it's dark outside, stars

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<v Speaker 2>are out a beautiful uh waning GiB us moon above us.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the old Gillette High School gym. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>like the movie Hoosiers could have been filmed here.

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<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>We are awesome. We just got our tickets and the

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<v Speaker 2>tickets are numbered. We gotive. Oh wow, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to split up sorrow. All right, it's on we go.

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<v Speaker 2>This year they had eight hundred tickets and they sold out.

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<v Speaker 2>The gym is lined with tables with white tablecloths. At

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<v Speaker 2>each place setting is the annual glass cup with the

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<v Speaker 2>coonsupper emblem. In the year, people collect these. But each

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<v Speaker 2>table has an aluminum foil trade of barbecue raccoon. I

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<v Speaker 2>see a guy, I want to talk to you. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>me your name of.

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<v Speaker 3>Who you work.

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<v Speaker 8>Zach Hartman, chief policy officer for Ducks On Limited.

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<v Speaker 2>Why the heck are you at the coon suburb? Man

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<v Speaker 2>at the coons eat duck eggs?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the most important thing for net success is habitat.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not opposed to eating a few coon.

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<v Speaker 8>But I am not opposed to eat a few coons.

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<v Speaker 13>But the really reason that we're here is because this

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<v Speaker 13>is a great event for a great cause. We're here

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<v Speaker 13>to raise money for Arkansas State's Foundation and the scholarships

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<v Speaker 13>that they provide to students that want to get involved

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<v Speaker 13>in ag policy, and they have an opportunity to learn

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<v Speaker 13>about agriculture conservation, which is an increasingly important component of

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<v Speaker 13>our working lands these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, enough all that, man, what do you think of

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<v Speaker 2>eating coon?

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<v Speaker 8>How my man had Penny over here, who you know.

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<v Speaker 13>I brought him here for his first time, and I

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<v Speaker 13>took him to the coon supper and I gave him

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<v Speaker 13>I sat him down and I said, you know, you

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<v Speaker 13>gotta eat some coon. And he ate a piece of

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<v Speaker 13>coon and then he grabbed another piece and I said

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<v Speaker 13>it or are you going back for seconds? And he

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<v Speaker 13>said yeah, it's good, and I said really, and I

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<v Speaker 13>tasted it and it was and it like ruined.

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<v Speaker 8>The whole joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Bret and I both grab a leg of coon and

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<v Speaker 2>have a bite, and he's right, it ain't bad. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've both had it before. We're old coon hunters.

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<v Speaker 14>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent's wife won't even try it. But Misty took a

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<v Speaker 2>nibble and the report wasn't great, though she was a

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<v Speaker 2>little embarrassed to show her displeasure. Anyway, I see somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else I want to talk with. This is awesome Booth,

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<v Speaker 2>the director of the Arkansas Game and Fish. Why are

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<v Speaker 2>you at the coon supper?

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<v Speaker 11>Sir?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, it's an Arkansas radition for us Flatlanders. It's a

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<v Speaker 15>good way to point out the nexus between public service

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<v Speaker 15>and young Arkansas and also a great way to see

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<v Speaker 15>the Grand Prairie in his most beautiful time of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Shoot some ducks and eat some coon. Now? Are we

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<v Speaker 2>also not trying to reduce the coon population in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Arkansas?

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<v Speaker 15>Sir, always and proudly.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a good way to do it right as popularize.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a strategy you can If we can

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<v Speaker 2>popularize eating coon meat to the level that every child

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<v Speaker 2>in America, every man, woman, and child, wants to go

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<v Speaker 2>kill a coon and eat it, then we might we

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<v Speaker 2>might be winning. Do you agree with this?

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<v Speaker 15>I think coon Wellington would be an American tradition forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin Booth is a former marine, a lawyer, and native

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<v Speaker 2>our cans and and our youngest Game and Fish director ever.

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<v Speaker 2>For my angle, he's exemplifying some legit leadership while navigating

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<v Speaker 2>the very complex wildlife issues of our state. Hat tip

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<v Speaker 2>to Austin. Oh look, here's somebody else i'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm leslie right Ledge, the Lieutenant governor of Arkansas for

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<v Speaker 16>the past year. I was the attorney general for eight

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<v Speaker 16>years prior to that. I grew up on a cattle farm.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm married to a rogrot farmer. So I love being

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<v Speaker 16>here in Arkansas farm lamb, you know, celebrating our way

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<v Speaker 16>of life, our heritage, and then doing something really awkward.

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<v Speaker 8>Which is eat raccoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Pardon me, madame, Lieutenant governor, but is it really awkward

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<v Speaker 2>to eat raccoon? Is that the right word? And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, when i'm governor, Brent will be my lieutenant governor.

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<v Speaker 16>You know, we're doing this odd thing of eating barbecued raccoon.

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<v Speaker 16>But it's really to talk about what the needs are

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<v Speaker 16>here in Arkansas County, what the needs are for the

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<v Speaker 16>farmers in this area.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so here's a real question after all that, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you like coon?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, it's best not eating. But if you have to

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<v Speaker 16>eat it, I certainly suggest getting like one of the yeah,

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<v Speaker 16>the banks or something where it looks big but it's

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<v Speaker 16>very little meat.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you got a strategy to get a big beecet,

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<v Speaker 2>but not getting much. That's right, you know, strategy, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>That was good.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get into the nitty gritty of how

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<v Speaker 2>they're coming up with all this raccoon meat. This is

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<v Speaker 2>their main supplier, Tommy Cantrell. And how long have you

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<v Speaker 2>been supplying the coons over with coons?

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<v Speaker 17>Probably six or seven years probably now.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh?

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<v Speaker 2>So how many you usually catch for them?

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<v Speaker 3>I put it this way.

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<v Speaker 17>Last year I carried him like six d and fifty pounds, right,

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<v Speaker 17>and they're probably average seven pounds six to seven pounds

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<v Speaker 17>per coon. So you can figure that I trap them.

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<v Speaker 17>And also we hunt them with my dog. I got

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<v Speaker 17>old dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a coon dog? What kind of coon dog?

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<v Speaker 17>You well, she's not actually a coon dog coon dog.

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<v Speaker 17>She's about half German shepherd and have something new. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 17>if we find one, you know, and she'll run him

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<v Speaker 17>up a tree or something. But if we shoot him,

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<v Speaker 17>if you ain't got a dog, he gonna get away,

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<v Speaker 17>but she will ketch him. She will catch him.

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<v Speaker 11>Get there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did the math, and that's about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dressed raccoons. But that's just what mister Tommy brought in

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<v Speaker 2>they had a few other suppliers. Now I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know how they cook it. Guess who the head cook is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep Scott Place, the guy whose dad was the first

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<v Speaker 2>master of ceremonies. So are you you're the main coon

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<v Speaker 2>cook around here?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess I'm the oldest cook.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So tell tell me about the process of how

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<v Speaker 2>you're cooking this.

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<v Speaker 4>My son Saith buys the coon and we got freezers

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<v Speaker 4>in the old field house and we'll keep it in

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<v Speaker 4>and then on Thursday we'll come get it out and

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<v Speaker 4>let it fall for a day. And then on Friday

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<v Speaker 4>morning we got a pan saw and we cut it

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<v Speaker 4>up in the pieces and in the salt water brine

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<v Speaker 4>and soak it twenty four hours. And then today is

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<v Speaker 4>our longest day, and we boil it in the big

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<v Speaker 4>pots with a special recipe of stuff that we put

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<v Speaker 4>in the boil of water, almost like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Fish.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we boil it and then we immediately put

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<v Speaker 4>it on these smokers.

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<v Speaker 2>How many coons did y'all You think y'all cooke today?

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<v Speaker 3>Coons?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but it's right. It's just under eight

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<v Speaker 4>hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. At one time it was a lot bigger than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all cooked like two thousand pounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all back when we just served coon, Well, we've had

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<v Speaker 4>well over a ton before.

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<v Speaker 2>How many people you think we're here tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Sold out of tickets? So right, eight hundred tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe eight hundred people.

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<v Speaker 4>We used to have a thousand tickets, but we took

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<v Speaker 4>a table out, oh, probably twenty years ago, because maybe

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<v Speaker 4>Americans are getting a little bigger and.

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<v Speaker 2>Eating too much coon.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it may be eating too much coon.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was just so crowded.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they've got this coon coulking process dialed. I

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<v Speaker 2>shuffle to sit down quickly as the main speaker is

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<v Speaker 2>about to start. The room quiets as a man in

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<v Speaker 2>a suit approaches the stage. Behind the podium is a

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<v Speaker 2>giant orange handmade mural paper mural commemorating the eightieth Coon Supper.

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<v Speaker 2>On it is a raccoon as big as a picnic table.

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<v Speaker 2>On the lookers left since eight high school seniors. These

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<v Speaker 2>kids go to de Witch schools now, but they're from

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<v Speaker 2>families that live in Gillette. The night is all about them.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to thank you all for trowning. It is

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<v Speaker 5>no weather to come and enjoy yourself tonight or really

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<v Speaker 5>really happy to have you here.

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<v Speaker 18>This is the eightieth time this group has met.

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<v Speaker 5>This coon sover has been put on.

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<v Speaker 2>The speaker's demeanor changes in the room quiets as everyone

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<v Speaker 2>knows what he's about to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Many of you know that we lost Pastor Chad Philip

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<v Speaker 5>this past year.

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<v Speaker 18>Pastor was a great icon of Jellette, the surrounding area

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<v Speaker 18>and the Coon Sobber.

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<v Speaker 5>Just remember Pastor Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>Pastor Chad was a big player here for the last

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<v Speaker 2>several decades. But he's not the only one being remembered

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 18>As many of you may know, we've lost another icon

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<v Speaker 18>of Jillette and the Coon Sober this past year. Without

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<v Speaker 18>a doubt, the most famous person from Jillette, Representative Marion Barry.

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<v Speaker 18>Marion love the Lord. He loved his family, he loved

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<v Speaker 18>his farm. We loved you lit its people in the

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<v Speaker 18>Coon Suffer. Mary devoted his life of the service to

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<v Speaker 18>his family and his country and his community. Instead of

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<v Speaker 18>an example to other's an impact that a man from

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<v Speaker 18>a small town can make when seeking direction from God

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<v Speaker 18>and being.

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<v Speaker 5>In service to others. Let's remember Representative Marion Barrier.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you can feel the sense of community and

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<v Speaker 2>connectedness in this gym, and to think the mechanism that

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<v Speaker 2>it's built around is eating a raccoon. This isn't a joke,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's being done inside the context of a town

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<v Speaker 2>that by measurable statistics might seem like it's wilting. But wait,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more. Here's Senator Tom Cotton.

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<v Speaker 14>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 19>It's great to be back at the Coon Supper again.

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<v Speaker 19>You know, we always join at this time of the year.

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<v Speaker 19>It's the darkest and the.

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<v Speaker 5>Oldest time of the year.

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<v Speaker 19>We have a night of festivities and the warmth of

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<v Speaker 19>community and fellowship. As we've heard, though, we have heavy

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<v Speaker 19>hearts two degree this year because of the passing of

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<v Speaker 19>the pastor chat and Mary and Mary. But I think

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<v Speaker 19>they would want all of us to be here where

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<v Speaker 19>we are tonight, and they're looking down on us, and

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 19>they're proud that this community is continuing with this unique,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 19>distinctive tradition. I think it's a testament to their legacy

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 19>that we're all joining here together as we always do,

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 19>to help support.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 5>The great students and kids of this community. Thank you all, Godless.

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 2>The evening comes to a close after every senior is

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 2>recognized for their academic achievements. They each address the crowd

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and tell what their plans are after graduating. One young

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>man is going into his family's pest control business, Another

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 2>is heading to the University of Arkansaw. Another is going

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>into nursing school. Scholarship recipients are announced, and each senior

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>is met by volumeous applause. Despite the town's population shrinking

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the school's closing, the place is riding high on a

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.920
<v Speaker 2>deep sense of community pride. This is really something special.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>As the Coon Supper adjourns, I'm standing outside the doors

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>of the event. I ask a passing guy his thoughts

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>on what just happened? This is Johnny. You've come to

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<v Speaker 2>this quite a few times.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Where are you from?

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm from Palm Low?

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>So what what what do you like about this?

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 5>I love it. It's just good people.

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 3>One thing about it is it's constant.

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 5>Ain't nothing ever changed. It's gonna always be the same.

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 5>You do not have any problems.

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>You're a commercial fisherman. Yes, where do you fishing?

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 4>White River?

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<v Speaker 14>White argistas and awesome man.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're a fan of the Coon something.

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<v Speaker 5>It's beautiful, beautiful, It's beautiful.

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>It's good people, stays the same, and it's beautiful. I

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>think that's a pretty good synopsis. As I'm leaving, I

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 2>see Seth Place, who's the second in command cook behind

0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 2>his dad. I'm a little late in asking him this,

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>but he seems to be a coon meat expert, and

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I have a burning question.

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 5>That's what would you.

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<v Speaker 2>Say there's a prime cut on a coon?

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 20>Absolutely not, it's all it's all prime.

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>It's all prime, all prime. Okay, all right, all right,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>he asks me if I want to see the cookers.

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 2>So we walk out further into the yard right by

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the gym. So, y'all cook them all on this big

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 2>smoker right here.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 4>But these are the smokers.

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Now do they all bring these in or they stay here?

0:29:58.040 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 2>These are permanent.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 20>Smoker now I used to Yeah, the school's closed so

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 20>and then they basically donated the these buildings to the

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 20>Farms and Businessman Club. So we can have this indefinitely

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 20>as long as we can sell tickets, really, but yeah,

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 20>we just keep everything here now.

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>So this this used to be Gillette Public School. This

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>is Coal Counts. It consolidated to be with.

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<v Speaker 8>But this year is the first year that elementary has

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<v Speaker 8>been gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is kind of like a ghost town down here.

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<v Speaker 20>It is, at least in the sense of the school.

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<v Speaker 8>I got to go to school here till I was

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<v Speaker 8>in the seventh grade.

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>In my eighth grade year, we consolidated, had to go

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<v Speaker 2>to d with Okay, amid the excitement and energy of

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>the event, it's easy to forget this community is struggling

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>to stay together. More people were in that gym than

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>live in this town. They leave their giant built in

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>cookers outside the gym because it's not a functioning gym anymore.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Just keep that in mind. We're going to go back

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to that. But first, I've had something on mine since

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that first bite of raccoon. We're now in the car

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>heading home, and I think it's possible that we've all

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>broken the law. I decide to confront Brent on his hypocrisy.

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to understand how I'm not the only person

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 2>who thought of this. Okay, So the one problem that

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I've foreseen is that they're buying this coon meat, and

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>it is illegal to buy or sell wildlife meat.

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 3>There is an exception, really, yeah, p with coon. Yeah,

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.239
<v Speaker 3>let me tell you something. Are you holding onto that

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>mic because yeah, this is a mic drop moment. Okay,

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 3>my brother Tim skins coons and prepares them to be sold,

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 3>and his nephew sells them out the window of their

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 3>pharmacy in Ford Asson, Arkansas.

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 8>Serious, you can go buy the drop off.

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 3>A gun to get picked up, to get cleaned and repaired.

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 3>You can pick up your prescription and you can buy

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 3>a coon.

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Really raise yourself because I got the Okay, what's the

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>AGFC say about it? Missy, We've just left the gillet

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>coon supper.

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 14>It is.

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 21>It is unlawful to purchase, sell, offer for sale, barter,

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 21>or trade any species of wildlife.

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 14>Or proportions there up period exceptions.

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 21>Hey, fur bear pelts and carcasses taken during a fur

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 21>bear season may be sold.

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 14>Wow, that's the first one.

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 21>May be sold by person who's valid hunting are furred

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 21>to their licenses, legally taken squirrel tails and pelts, rabbit pelts.

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 14>This is a second. This is a like a different

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 14>bullet point.

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I've heard all I need to hear red fox grace legal, Baby,

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>We're going into business.

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 14>Alligator high alligators.

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm staying corrected. Sounds like Brent's off the hook. Somehow.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>The legality of selling fur bear meat has eluded me.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you what else has eluded me, the

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 2>real understanding of why something like the coon supper is valuable.

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's easy to see and feel the value

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>when you're there. It's undeniable. Anybody sees it. Everybody sees it,

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 2>But how could you explain it to someone? I got

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to talk with author Tim P. Carney, who's

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>written multiple best selling books. One is called Alienated America.

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>He's an expert on this kind of stuff. And to

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>be more specific about what that stuff is, a lot

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>of the Coonsupper's value could be summed up by people

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>gaining social capital. I remember I told you to hold

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 2>on to that word, file it away. This is incredibly interesting.

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Here's Tim.

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<v Speaker 1>Social capital is this term that like sociologists ues maybe historians,

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's a weird word because capital is kind of

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a financial term, right, you're talking about money. Social is

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 1>showing us that we're talking about something very different. So

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.239
<v Speaker 1>one way to think of social capital is what are

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the things you have in your life that are really

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.760
<v Speaker 1>valuable but you don't pay for and you couldn't quite

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>sell them. Do you have a next door neighbor who

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you're just best friends with, that's social capital. Do you

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>have extended family who will bail you out if you

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>get into trouble, that's having social capital. And so the

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>truth is there's real inequality in social capital across America

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that sometimes parallels and sometimes deviates from kind

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of wealth inequality. But one way of thinking of social

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>capital is valuable things that you might or might not

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>have in your life that are they're social, they're not financial.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>They have to do with your connections and interactions with

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>other people, and they usually explicitly are not something that

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 1>you could pay for or sell or directly buy.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Our society is good at measuring external things that have

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>monetary impact. So social capital is hard to make, but

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 2>it's primarily a function of our relationship to other people.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Whether you're conscious of it or not, every human on

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 2>earth has some level of social capital. Now, this next

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>observation about American society is kind of mind blowing.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>The greatest work on the United States of America I

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>think that was ever written, was written by a French

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>guy and was written one hundred years ago. Yeah, it

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>was Alexis to Toakville's Democracy in America. You know how

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes somebody shows up at your house and they notice

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>something that you don't notice because you just you've come

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.359
<v Speaker 1>to take it for granted. Americans, he was saying, two

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>hundred years ago, take for granted how much they kind

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of just rely on not themselves as individuals, but themselves

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and their neighbors, their fellow countrymen, their brothers, or whatever

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>other people they know to solve problems.

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 12>He said.

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>In England again this is eighteen thirties. In England, people

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>they turned to the the big landlord. I mean it

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>was semi feudal at that point. There'd be a big

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>rich landholder and they turned to him to solve their problems.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>In France, they turned to the government. In the United States,

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>if there's a problem, people will like form a you know,

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a ditch digging organization to keep the town from flooding

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>when the runoff is coming down from the mountain. So

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that idea that where it's both that were self starters,

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 1>but we're not just individuals. So it's still a sort

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of self reliance, but it's a self reliance in fraternity,

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>in neighborhood, in community. And that that was unique to

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 1>America is what Toauville argued, we.

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Have self reliance inside of fraternity, inside of community, and

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 2>this thing was unique to America kind of from the beginning.

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 2>A different term to describe what the Toaueville saw here

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>is civic engagement. That word sounds pretty scary to me,

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>but it actually determines a lot about our communities. And

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>to equate it back to the coon supper, attending or

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 2>volunteering at a community event like this is civic engagement.

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Turns out that stuff is quite important, and it's on

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a dramatic decline in America.

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 1>So you could look at you know, how much do

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>people vote, how much do people participate in the census?

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 12>That all matters. How does that relate to social capital?

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you're the guy who took it on the

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.359
<v Speaker 1>chin and coach kindergarten girls basketball, if you're the guy

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>who you didn't even think about it, but you sent

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 1>your sons over to shovel the neighbor's yard sidewalk when

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>he was away. It is a little bit like finance

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>in that you put a bunch in and then when.

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 12>You need it you can draw it out. But there's

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 12>not like a.

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Ledger being kept. That's the real thing about social capital

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and community. There's just an understanding that we have an

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 1>obligation to look out for other people.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 12>So we're going to do it.

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be civically engaged, and the more civically engaged.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 12>You are, the more capital you had.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>The main way I would say that works is the

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>more things that you belong to, then the more things

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you can rely on. That is, I belong to my

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 1>local church. I belong to my kids' schools. I don't

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:19.879
<v Speaker 1>just cut the check and send my kids there where

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I serve on the board of one. My wife's a

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>substitute teacher at another. We show up at things. I

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>belong to my employer. You know, I work to get

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to know my neighbors. So I belonged to all these things.

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>So a common word in this area of study is reciprocity,

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>which again is just relationship. The understanding I'll take care

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 1>of you, you take care of me, and community was

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 1>always built on the fact that we had needs. It

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just hey, I want to hang out with my buddies.

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>It was oh, I need to go into town to

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>get something. Oh I need to call on my friend

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.479
<v Speaker 1>to lift this one thing, and if you take away

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>some of those needs, then we lose the stuff we

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't know we needed, which was a connection, the friendship,

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the camaraderie, the longing. And so the guy who wrote

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the best book on this was Robert Putnam Bowling Alone.

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>That came out right as you and I were finishing up,

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, our college years there. Two thousand, I think

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was the pub date on that, And he used bowling

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>because he said he found out that people weren't bowling

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.240
<v Speaker 1>less in two thousand than they had in nineteen sixty,

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but they were bowling leagues had crumbled everywhere, so people

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>were more likely to bowl alone, or bowl just with

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>their best friend or their their wife or whatever. And

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>that was just almost a little analogy for what was

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>happening more broadly. Membership, you know, pta membership had collapsed,

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 1>and all of this stuff what we belonged to, had

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>gone down across the board.

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<v Speaker 12>And so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Went and I looked to update the numbers.

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<v Speaker 12>When I wrote Alienated America.

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<v Speaker 1>That came out twenty nineteen, so almost twenty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had just continued. The people just again more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to sort of strike out on them their own.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was on the board of a small organization

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<v Speaker 1>here in DC. We did this study and it came

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<v Speaker 1>back Millennials didn't want.

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<v Speaker 12>To join anything. We should be a member. They're like,

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<v Speaker 12>I don't want to be a member.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, will you chip in twenty bucks to help

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<v Speaker 1>us out? They're like, oh, yeah, I'll do that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not joining. Okay, I don't want to belong to it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you and I are at the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of gen X. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>was already in motion.

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<v Speaker 2>Studies showed that America's civic engagement peaked in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixties and has been declining ever since. By the time

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<v Speaker 2>I graduated high school in the late nineteen nineties, it

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<v Speaker 2>had plummeted. I remember my dad, the believer, being involved

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<v Speaker 2>in everything he possibly could his whole life. He was

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<v Speaker 2>in a fraternity in college, he never drank, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Kawanas Club, the Lions Club, the

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<v Speaker 2>archery club. He was a deacon at the church, and

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<v Speaker 2>for decades he was heavily involved in a group that

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<v Speaker 2>helped families with critical construction projects, like if the roof

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<v Speaker 2>was leaking and they couldn't afford to get it fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if some family needed a wheelchair ramp built. He

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<v Speaker 2>was very civically involved, but he grew up in the

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<v Speaker 2>time of America's peak civic engagement. He always wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to do more stuff, but I just wasn't that interested. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult, I have maintained high levels of involvement

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<v Speaker 2>in my church my whole life, but I have not

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<v Speaker 2>been nearly as involved in other stuff. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>until I talked with Tim that I was just a

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<v Speaker 2>pawn in the common trend of my generation. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>choose this all on my own, like I thought. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of spooky when you realize that you have less

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<v Speaker 2>control over your life than you think. Hmm, that is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But who is most affected by this lack of civic

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<v Speaker 2>gay Is it the rich or the poor who are

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<v Speaker 2>less civically engaged? I bet it's those rich folks.

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<v Speaker 12>There are nuances to this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worse the collapse of of belonging, civic engagement, bowling leagues,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. All that stuff is worse in the working

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<v Speaker 1>class in America than it is in the middle class

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<v Speaker 1>or the upper middle class. There's this stereotype that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wealthier Americans you know, you live behind a gate, or

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, with your money, you're just buying your isolation.

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<v Speaker 12>But if you go to like these rich suburbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Where houses are really expensive and the property taxes are high, they.

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<v Speaker 12>Have enough Little League coaches for every team.

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<v Speaker 1>They have people leaving the kids lead their bikes out

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<v Speaker 1>on the front yard because neighbors sort of know neighbors.

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<v Speaker 12>The collapse in community, in civic engagement is greater for

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<v Speaker 12>a dozen reasons I go.

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<v Speaker 1>Through in the book in the working class. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>particularly harmful because these are people who rely more on

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<v Speaker 1>social capital. If you're rich and don't have friends, you

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<v Speaker 1>could sort of you could buy stuff. But the irony

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<v Speaker 1>is the richer people in America, not the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>super rich celebrities who have to live in a gated,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mansion, but the upper middle class. They are

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to know their neighbors, more likely to volunteer,

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to belong to things. And it's because this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing isn't just an individual choice, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>community thing. The community has to give you those opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>and in some parts of America, those opportunities for belonging

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<v Speaker 1>and volunteering aren't there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting and not what I was expecting. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's just why the community of Gillette is so unique.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent some time describing the Gillette Coon Supper to

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Carney. I wanted to see what he thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what he said, when you describe that, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Jillett and see this and eat the

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<v Speaker 1>food and watch the people. This is the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>makes America great, really, and I've seen it in other towns.

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<v Speaker 1>There's my favorite town in Iowa. It is this town

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<v Speaker 1>called Imagen, Iowa, which is down to thirty people. How

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<v Speaker 1>does the town survive with thirty people? Well, it has

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<v Speaker 1>an Irish pub, a beautiful Catholic church, and then a

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<v Speaker 1>softball field where they have a big tournament as part

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<v Speaker 1>of what they call Shamrock Days. Because you know Irish

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<v Speaker 1>population traditionally, and it brings in people who used to

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<v Speaker 1>live there and people from the other towns, and these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of things, even if they're only occasional things, they

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<v Speaker 1>really keep a town alive. Tradition, customs, these things are

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<v Speaker 1>social capital that gets passed down from generation to generation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like you're time traveling, right. You're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>these kids in Jillette, and they don't even have a

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<v Speaker 1>high school, but they still they almost get to travel

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<v Speaker 1>back to when they do because suddenly there's a senior.

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<v Speaker 12>Class the high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Let senior class, even though there's no Jillette High school.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that is what customs do they provide.

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<v Speaker 12>I often talk about social capital.

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<v Speaker 1>As providing sort of a I mean, we use the

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<v Speaker 1>word network, but just imagine an infrastructure, something that's a scaffolding,

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<v Speaker 1>a scaffolding that holds you up. Traditions are a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of scaffolding that spans across time. And so that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the key things that strong communities do is they

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<v Speaker 1>have traditions, they have customs, they have.

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<v Speaker 12>These things, and it just injects a little bit of

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<v Speaker 12>meaning into everybody's life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so these big annual things they can sort of

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<v Speaker 1>keep a town on the map, give it town an identity,

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<v Speaker 1>even if other things are crumbling.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty unique that we can learn so

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<v Speaker 2>much about ourselves and our community by looking at a

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<v Speaker 2>wild tradition like the coon Supper. I love it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say there's a high likelihood Brent and I will

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<v Speaker 2>be back at the Coon Supper next year that is

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<v Speaker 2>if we can get some tickets. I can't thank you

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<v Speaker 2>enough for listening to Bear Grease. Please leave us a

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<v Speaker 2>workers about the amazing stories you're hearing here and on

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<v Speaker 2>Brent's podcast This Country Life. Be sure to check out

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Tim P. Carney's new book called Family Unfriendly,

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<v Speaker 2>How our culture made raising kids much harder than it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be. I hope you have a great week.