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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f h F Gear, American Maid, purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place.

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Speaker 1: As we explore, it's awkward, it's awkward. It's like, this

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Speaker 1: is great everything.

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Speaker 2: And then Josh mash Maren walking behind looking at the worst.

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Speaker 3: Part at all is that he's got a fanny pack on.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about the viral Moultrie trail camera image

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Speaker 2: that I put up last week of Bear. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: trying to be cute. They were just walking over on

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Speaker 2: my hunting land. No, it's true, it's true. And Bear's

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Speaker 2: leading a mule with a grown man in the saddle

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Speaker 2: like he's leading.

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Speaker 1: A kid like a pony ride, like a pony ride.

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Speaker 2: And then behind him is our friend Josh, who was

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Speaker 2: just with him and you know, just walking behind him,

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Speaker 2: and he kind of like.

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Speaker 1: Looks at the camera.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing a fanny pack, and then you think it's over,

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Speaker 2: and then like three seconds later, here.

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Speaker 1: Comes our squirrel dog coming through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the video has exceeded my expectations and it's impact

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Speaker 2: on the planet. Welcome to the Bear Grease render we man.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about everybody that's here. We have we

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Speaker 2: have many special guests. I will start with Lacy Pickle.

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Speaker 2: Lacey was invited all the way from Mississippi. Really she's

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Speaker 2: the only one that's supposed to be here, but uh,

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Speaker 2: Lacy Pickle, wife of Lake Pickle of Backwoods University.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you guys, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Josh Landbridge, filmmaker, Bear John Newkeom, he's got a huge story.

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Speaker 2: And then Forrest Cheeter, my old buddy Forest Teeter Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Forrest has got It's like show and tell a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Did y'all bring anything to.

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Speaker 4: Go to the truck? Lake brought that mustache?

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Speaker 1: Lake Lake?

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Speaker 4: I gotta give you.

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Speaker 2: I gotta give a little introduction to Forrest. So Forrest is, uh,

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Speaker 2: we've been buddies for pretty long time.

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Speaker 1: Lives here in Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: But you're you are pilot in the Navy, that's right,

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Speaker 2: which has always been very confusing to me and to

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Speaker 2: my young children. Force is in the navy. Oh yeah, boats, No,

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Speaker 2: he's a pilot, not flies. But you're on uh just

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Speaker 2: on a leave, a short leave in Arkansas. You're stationed where.

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Speaker 5: In Hawaii right now?

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Speaker 1: And what do you do in the Navy?

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Speaker 6: I fly the C twenty six metro Liner as of

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Speaker 6: right now, which is a is a twin engine turboprop

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Speaker 6: kind of transport plane. We do a little bit of

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Speaker 6: radar stuff too, so kind of a jack of all

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Speaker 6: trades in that plane. Anyway, So you're a pilot, that's right. Man.

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Speaker 1: To be a pilot in the military, you gotta be like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Think I found a loophole. I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Now, you were on the render one time before, like

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Speaker 2: maybe three years ago, I think twice four there's number three,

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Speaker 2: okay three, So and last time you were here, you

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Speaker 2: were flying like a sixty million dollar plane, like a

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Speaker 2: five hundred million dollar plane.

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Speaker 1: Are you serious?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Now that's where I got confused, because you said

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Speaker 4: metro Liner. That's the San Antonio.

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Speaker 6: Yes, they call it the San Antonio sewer Pipe and

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Speaker 6: a lot of other things. They're yeah, not too friendly.

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Speaker 1: This is not a well liked plane.

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Speaker 2: No, but the five hundred million dollars plane that year

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Speaker 2: you flew.

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Speaker 5: Yes for four years.

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Speaker 6: That was in Oklahoma station there for four years playing

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Speaker 6: that plane.

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Speaker 1: What did that plane do?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 5: It was a communications relay aircraft.

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Speaker 6: We had a five mile long antenna that we would

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Speaker 6: string out at the back of that thing, go take off,

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Speaker 6: fly over the ocean, and communicate with submarines. And basically,

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Speaker 6: if we wanted to launch some nukes on somebody, they'd say, hey,

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Speaker 6: launch those nukes. They'd send that message us. We'd transmit

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Speaker 6: that message through that wire to the submarines and say

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it's not that easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's why wouldn't you just call them on the phone.

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Speaker 6: That's what I said, the same thing, And they said,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna put us out of a job if you

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Speaker 6: do that. So I said, okay, I'll keep my mouth shut.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out which I asked me to

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Speaker 5: be here for.

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Speaker 4: I can't compete.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like, what have you been doing.

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Speaker 6: I don't fly a five hundred million dollars planeymore. And

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Speaker 6: I've never seen a five mile long antenna.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Slake would like to have that on his garment

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Speaker 2: to track and.

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Speaker 5: I can call some buddies get one lost for a flight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me. Can you tell me you could

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Speaker 2: give like an abbrevio?

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Speaker 1: The other day? I asked for us.

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Speaker 2: I said, man, that you flying a plane like that.

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Speaker 2: You're in charge of a whole crew of people. It's

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Speaker 2: not like one guy flying a five hundred million dollar

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Speaker 2: plane like You're in charge of a crew, right am I, Right, yep,

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Speaker 2: that's right. And you said, in all your airtime, one

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Speaker 2: time you had a pretty big scare.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you just, like, in like a minute,

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Speaker 1: tell me kind of what happened?

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Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: We were flying over by Charleston about twenty thousand feet

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Speaker 6: and had some guys in the back just call up

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Speaker 6: basically over the intercom and say, hey, we got smoke

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Speaker 6: smell back here. Told my flight engineer to go drop

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Speaker 6: down in the kind of lower compartment of the plane.

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Speaker 5: He dropped down in there is full of smoke.

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Speaker 6: About that time, we started smelling it started coming up

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Speaker 6: into the cockpit. And the scary part about it is

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Speaker 6: you really don't know what it is, so you have

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Speaker 6: to assume the worst and then execute like it's the worst.

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Speaker 6: And so just ended up getting on our auction masks

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Speaker 6: what it is, then you for all, you know the

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Speaker 6: wings burning off, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, so you you emergency landed the plane in like

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you you're you're flying like, have no intentions

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have been over Bermuda. Sure, you could

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But you smelled smoke. Something is bad.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, that's right in this plane smelling smoke, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. You should never be smelling smelling smoke for sure.

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Speaker 2: And so and so, y'all just you called, uh called

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Speaker 2: the guys at Charleston.

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Speaker 1: You must have had them on speed dial.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just tune them up real quick, and then said, hey,

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Speaker 4: Did you figure out what it was?

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Speaker 6: So yet it was just one of our communication cabinets

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Speaker 6: that that plane being communication aircraft, just had racks and

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Speaker 5: But you know, total crew effort.

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Speaker 6: When that kind of stuff happens, everybody has like a

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Speaker 1: Of trust that they put in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all put in any pilot that would

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Speaker 2: get on a plane then. But in an old red

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Speaker 2: nick Yeah, okay, show and tell though we got it.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of work to do here today,

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Speaker 2: show us this we got we got all wrapped up here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about that buck.

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Speaker 6: So this buck, this is from when I lived in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna give you all the short version here because

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Speaker 6: I'd go on and on. But basically, in twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: stationed in Oklahoma City, started looking at property. Found a

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Speaker 5: Little more expensive or a little more affordable back.

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Speaker 6: Then rather and Dad went and looked at it, said

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Speaker 5: And so when he went there and we closed on it, just.

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Speaker 6: Virtually he went out there, put a feeder out, put

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Speaker 6: And it was this deer right here, and he was

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Speaker 6: I was like, man, I'm gonna go up there opening

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Speaker 6: showing up. So I drove up there from Corpus Christy

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Speaker 6: and wouldn't show it. Right before dark here he came

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Speaker 6: and man, he came in just before dark and got

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Speaker 6: kind of in some thick stuff. I tried to force

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Speaker 5: Off you ran. Didn't cut a hair on him.

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Speaker 1: He's three and a half.

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Speaker 5: When he was three and a half, that's right. So

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Speaker 5: fast forward the next year.

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Speaker 6: I've moved up to Oklahoma by that time and won

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Speaker 6: the first year to show up in the summer, started

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Speaker 6: running cameras again. He had grown into probably one hundred

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Speaker 6: and forty inch nine point, which again a deer I

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Speaker 6: would have been tickled to death to kill. I mean

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Speaker 6: far and away and man, he just was never super

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Speaker 6: regular in the daylight. He'd show up in the morning,

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Speaker 6: sometimes coming back to bed, passed through my place. I'm

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Speaker 6: talking like the first fifteen minutes of daylight, and then

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Speaker 6: other than that wouldn't see him and would start showing

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Speaker 6: up a little more regularly in the late season, getting

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Speaker 6: time that second year Windsworld never saw him again.

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Speaker 4: He ran off.

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Speaker 5: So twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: Two he blew up into He would have been five

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Speaker 6: and a half at this time, and now he's six.

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Speaker 5: Yep, so he's six here.

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Speaker 6: So twenty twenty two he was five and a half

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Speaker 6: and he was a probably one hundred and fifty inch

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Speaker 5: I think what we can? Man, I bet you were

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Speaker 4: It was it was. It was so horrible.

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Speaker 4: So geesh, man, that's cool. That's a good, cool story. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I said that was going to be short. That

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like investigative journalism.

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Speaker 2: True investigative journalism that became really relevant. So you did

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know what men haten.

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Speaker 6: And then yeah, so my my mother, who listens to

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Speaker 2: Well, so the if you haven't listened to the episodes,

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Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, Uh so men Hayden fishing and min Hayden

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Speaker 4: You could, yeah, Forrest.

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Speaker 2: And so you did this podcast and it was really good,

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Speaker 2: But so there's the but in the what was the

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Speaker 6: Wildlife Commission meeting in Louisiana about changing the regulations for

446
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Speaker 6: man Hayden fishing and the episode came up.

447
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Speaker 4: In the meeting.

448
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 5: They called out the show by name.

449
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 6: One of the commissioners, one of the guys that had

450
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 6: the boat called out the show and said he'd listened

451
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,199
Speaker 6: to it because he was trying He was a he

452
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 6: was Louisiana guy, obviously, but he lived more inland, so

453
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 6: the coastal stuff he was trying to learn, Yeah, which.

454
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Speaker 1: I said, he learned a lot. And he said the

455
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Speaker 1: podcast was really good.

456
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was flattering, man, it was cool to hear.

457
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Speaker 1: What do you think, Lacy?

458
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Speaker 7: I mean, it was great feedback.

459
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 8: And obviously proud of him for doing so well with

460
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Speaker 8: the podcast, but.

461
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 6: He's he's awfully proud that you're proud. If Lacey's proud

462
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 6: of me, then I'm good.

463
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Speaker 5: There you go.

464
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 7: That was good.

465
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's pretty cool. Yeah, and y'all been, uh,

466
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 2: y'all coming back from Okay just to now switch to

467
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: invasive birds, y'all been hunting pheasants?

468
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 4: Invasive?

469
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Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong?

470
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Speaker 5: So you're well, you're right on. Ironically, I don't.

471
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Speaker 6: The next Backwoods University that comes out is on pheasants,

472
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 6: and I'm focus on how they're the most beloved non

473
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Speaker 6: native wildlife in the country, and the biologist that I interviewed,

474
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Speaker 6: he goes, I really want to hone in on that

475
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 6: there's a difference between non native and invasive.

476
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the pheasants didn't like just take over

478
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Speaker 2: on their own, and we've kind of like made them

479
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: feel comfortable.

480
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 6: George Washington tried to introduce them in the seventeen hundreds.

481
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

482
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 4: Wow, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.

483
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Speaker 3: Did he try to introduce anything else?

484
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's a good question.

485
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: Bear like, could he smell a rat?

486
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 1: I smell a rat? You know what mule people say.

487
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: George Washington was the first one that ever brought mules over.

488
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: He brought in Jack's from Spain and was using those

489
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: fancy marrors from France. Makes us feel real good and

490
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: real American. I think you need to double check, you,

491
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: old fat man. I don't think anybody that has anything

492
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: that's kind of like a little like non mainstream, like

493
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Speaker 2: mules and pheasants.

494
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Speaker 4: George Washing Washington brought him in.

495
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like him for anything.

496
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Speaker 4: George Washington brought brown trout from Germany.

497
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Speaker 6: Right after he chopped down that cherry tree, he said,

498
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Speaker 6: you know what pheasants idea. I've been kind of trying

499
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Speaker 6: to figure that out in Hawaii too, because Hawaii's funny.

500
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Speaker 6: I see tons and tons of non natives, some invasives.

501
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 6: I'm trying to navigate that landscape myself right now because

502
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 6: like one of the first days I kind of went

503
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 6: up in the mountains skill hunting. Up there an owl

504
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 6: like flew up and sat on a log, and I

505
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 6: was like, there's just no way that evolved here, like

506
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 6: the same way of all somewhere else. And I look

507
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 6: it up and it's like the Hawaiian owl. But I'm like,

508
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 6: but it can't be.

509
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know it's just I disbelieve me.

510
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Speaker 6: So they call it the Hawaiian owls, the pueo, which

511
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 6: is awesome, by the way, awesome bird. But they were

512
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 6: brought over like five hundred years ago on ships, so

513
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 6: there's like this window where it's like they've been here

514
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 6: long enough, like you've earned your keep or whatever, so

515
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 6: you're not the invasive So that must fall into like

516
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Speaker 6: that non native thing.

517
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Speaker 5: But they call it the Hawaiian owl.

518
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 6: So there's a few different species that are kind of

519
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 6: like that that every time I have to check them, like, so.

520
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 5: Were you like really really here or just like kind

521
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: of a here a few hundred years ago?

522
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Speaker 4: You know, there's nuance. Man.

523
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Speaker 6: I talked to a guy is the most it was

524
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 6: controversial for me. I was talking to him about pheasants

525
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 6: and because you know, wild turkeys, y'all know how I

526
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 6: feel about wild turkey. Originally, like their historic range, they

527
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 6: were only in thirty five or that may be right,

528
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 6: thirty something of the states in the United States.

529
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: Now they're in all forty nine.

530
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Speaker 6: And I had a guy tell me he's like, you know,

531
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Speaker 6: putting turkeys in all of the you know, all of

532
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 6: the forty nine states was a big conservation flop because

533
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 6: we took I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

534
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Speaker 1: Washington birds on the Pacific coast.

535
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Speaker 6: The point he was trying to make is we put

536
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Speaker 6: all our conservation focus on turkeys, and there's other like

537
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 6: there's native birds like grouse that are struggling and we

538
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 6: don't know. That was the point he was trying to make.

539
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 6: But I say, hey, man, turkeys, turkeys are cool.

540
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Speaker 1: He outpickled you, he did, he did, He got out pickled.

541
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Speaker 4: He cornered me.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Josh, you narrate what's what's happening here. I've

543
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: gotta I'm gonna bring something back into the shot, but

544
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: you need to talk to them.

545
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Speaker 1: Stand by, stand by.

546
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Speaker 4: Clay Newcombe has a very special, very special thing to

547
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 4: share here that probably most of us have never touched.

548
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 3: Last time he did this, he brought in like a

549
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: forty foot Remember.

550
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: It's folks, I can tell wow, whoa, oh, I know

551
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 4: what that is? That right there is a beautiful Alaskan

552
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: wolf hide.

553
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: So I have a look at that.

554
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: I actually have three, but I just got these back

555
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: from the tax dermists, and uh, these are Alexander Archipelago

556
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Canis lupus.

557
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 4: That's so it's a George Washington. Bring those Jack.

558
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: Washington put these on the islands in southeast Alaska. Oh,

559
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Speaker 2: these are these are the wolves that we trapped with

560
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Speaker 2: David Bennetts in Southeast Alaska on the on the Meat

561
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Speaker 2: Eater film.

562
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Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible?

563
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Speaker 4: That's big, big When when Clay holds that up, I

564
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 4: mean it's a full it's it's a armspan, my finger

565
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: and the tip of the nose and I can barely

566
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: tail off the ground.

567
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Speaker 1: Wow, you know I'm six three, So no, I was

568
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: really proud of those.

569
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: The guard hairs on that wolf is over five inches long.

570
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: Holy, that's cool. That would make a beautiful fly. That

571
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 4: is keep your hand.

572
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so wolves, Bear, why don't you show us what

573
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: you brought?

574
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: This is your neck right, Well, we've got this, So

575
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: this is what I.

576
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Bear's got a about sixty five inch seven point

577
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: rack that fits.

578
00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: Well.

579
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Speaker 3: I killed this like three days before I killed the

580
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: big one.

581
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: So he killed that on public land in his last,

582
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 2: last last time or last render. We talked about Bear's

583
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: bear deer camp, which has like twenty five people, and

584
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: we coined Bear coined the term we are the hunting pressure, and.

585
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 9: We we did, in fact execute on that because we

586
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 9: got this and uh foky and uh and and a dough.

587
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: And a and a very small dough in the smaller end.

588
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: Killed by my son.

589
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 6: I'm calling him out, Sam laughing, because when I came

590
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 6: in I saw those there. I thought Bear was going

591
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 6: to do one of these. So this was the first

592
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 6: buck I ever killed.

593
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Speaker 1: That's the one who killed two days before.

594
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Speaker 3: I got just as proud of that one as I am.

595
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that one was harder to kill.

596
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I mean I hunted this one maybe five

597
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 9: or six hunts that one. I walked two miles like

598
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 9: a week in a row, and eventually this dude rant by.

599
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

600
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: But anyway, Bear had sitting with him a guy who

601
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: had never hunted. So like witnessing this deer getting killed,

602
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: the small public land deer was a guy never hunted,

603
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: am I right?

604
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

605
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that was a cool deer.

606
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: But then this has in his hand one hundred and

607
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: fifty five and four eights inch buck.

608
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: Yep, there he is.

609
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: So this is the buck that was on the Deer

610
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: Stories episode that you heard Bear talk about.

611
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I told the story, I had the deer.

612
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like this.

613
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: You know, this episode was pretty cool because we told

614
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: three and I don't think we've ever done this before.

615
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: We had three stories that were fresh.

616
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: James Lawrence's story was a buck that he just killed

617
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: just the other day, yep. And Bear's story was a

618
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: buck that he'd just killed. And then Jason Taylor's story

619
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: that we started off with one fifty five that he killed, well,

620
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: I was at camp with him, you know, So that

621
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: was pretty cool that they were a lot of times

622
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: we're telling like old stories, you know.

623
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Speaker 1: But uh, but it was pretty cool that these were

624
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: all just like fresh.

625
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: And what what nobody knows is that I killed a

626
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: deer lacy on the day he killed that one.

627
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: Really nobody. You didn't know that, did you?

628
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 7: I did not.

629
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Yep.

630
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: It was overshadowed by that one. I didn't even tell anybody.

631
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Speaker 2: Would y'all like to congratulations?

632
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: It was a nice buck?

633
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 6: Oh?

634
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. No, I was in Oklahoma. I was. I

635
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: was in Oklahoma.

636
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: We'd been there for four days, had Isaac Neil with me,

637
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: who was filming, and uh, we had a great hunt

638
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: but hadn't seen any big deer, but just felt like

639
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: it was going to happen any day. I mean we were.

640
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: We were seeing a lot of deer, even though the

641
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: place we're hunting had changed dramatically because they bulldozed a

642
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: bunch of it for cattle and h and Anyway, this

643
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: at three point fifteen on October the tenth, a deer

644
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: comes by and I'm like, that's him. Shoot him. Get

645
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: out of the tree. Basically, I mean the deer falls

646
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: within sight. We get to the truck and it's starting

647
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: to get dark. Just by the time we got we

648
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: I hunted for a couple more hours. I was gonna

649
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: shoot the dough. Could have shot a dough bear by

650
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: the way, but it didn't because I thought maybe buck

651
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: was following it. I had the big dough come in

652
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: and I could tell there was deer behind, and so

653
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: I was waiting because I had two buck tags. I

654
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: was like, man, I'd be bummed out if I shot

655
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: that dough and it had a big, bigger buck behind it. Anyway,

656
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: get to the truck and my phone rings and it's

657
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: like right at primetime and it's Bear. And Bear doesn't

658
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: call his dad that often, just a chit chat, and

659
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: I knew that he was hunting that buck, and so

660
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: I just picked up the phone and I said, did

661
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: you kill him?

662
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: And he said, I killed him. Dad.

663
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: He was in that whisper yell, like that whisper yell voice.

664
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: And I was driving Isaac Neil's truck in the driver's seat.

665
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: Did you hear me?

666
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I started banging the steering wheel like uncontrollably, just going.

667
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: And Isaac actually put his hand on my shoulder and said, don't, don't, don't,

668
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: don't hurt my truck.

669
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: Clay was going to break the steering wheel, he said,

670
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: the steering little was doing like this. I was like, sorry, man,

671
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: and I put Bear on speakerphone and we talked. But uh,

672
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: so we just threw the deer in the back of

673
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: the truck. We couldn't bring the deer back to Arkansas

674
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: because of CWD stuff, and we were gonna process it

675
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: and debone it, and I was like, we don't have time.

676
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: We got to get back, and so we I dropped

677
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: it off at a processor that we just drove up.

678
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: Found a processor had a walking cooler, you know, and

679
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: so we just like yeah, So the deer completely overshadowed

680
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: the deer that I killed. I mean, it was almost

681
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: that big but but cool awesome deer Yeah, well okay

682
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Deer Stories episode. Was there anything else we were supposed

683
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: to talk about? I don't think so. I don't think so, Blake,

684
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: was there anything, Lacy? Anything else? Non deal because once

685
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: we start talking about Deer Stories, were like off to

686
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: the races.

687
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: Lacey shot good on her peasant hunt. That's when I heard, yeah,

688
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: it's the only other thing I think to add, she

689
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: shot really well?

690
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: So how many? So tell me, like you you were

691
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: using your dog?

692
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah?

693
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Is he pointing or flushing?

694
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: He's flushing, so he.

695
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: He just has to stay close enough that if the

696
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: bird gets.

697
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: Up, that's the Yeah, that's the desired outcome. I tell folks.

698
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: I mean, because I tell folks, I'm like, I have a.

699
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: As a dog.

700
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 6: But he's a Mississippi resident and normally this is his

701
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 6: average when we go Pheazan hunting. He normally takes him

702
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 6: about a day to get tuned in and then a trip.

703
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 6: If I'm up there for a week or more, he's

704
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: gonna have at least one usually one maybe two of

705
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 6: like uh oh. And this trip he didn't have a

706
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 6: single mess up until the last evening, and all of

707
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 6: a sudden I see like three roosters get up eighty

708
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 6: yards away. Well some of them were hens, three of

709
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 6: them a roosters, and knocks got.

710
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: A little far out there, and I was like, okay,

711
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: so that's what a mess up would be.

712
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: He got too far out.

713
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: But you didn't see him get that far.

714
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: No, Well, I was trying to film her and walk

715
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 6: behind her, and I normally would notice him getting nitting

716
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 6: that far out, but I did not, and I was

717
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 6: not happy about that.

718
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: But I was like, well, that's your one mess up

719
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: for the trip. And then he was fine. But she

720
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: shot really well.

721
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: I made you kill three three Yeah, okay, now you're

722
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: a duck counter two though.

723
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, now I am. After this past one, I could

724
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 7: say that I am.

725
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're a wing shooter. I suppose to old

726
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: wing shooter.

727
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 7: That's it. That's what they call me, called.

728
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: Her the old wing shooter. That's I could. I can

729
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: get behind that. I mean, we may want to change

730
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: the old to something more, you know, softer.

731
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 7: I'll let you work on it.

732
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: Let me know about just the wing shooter.

733
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: Okay, that's it, the wing shooter. I would quick story

734
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: about the first duck she shot is this late season

735
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 5: and this group of like a twelve pack of Mallards

736
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: just falls out of the sky like they just had

737
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 5: to land where we were.

738
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: And I tell her to shoot and she pulls up

739
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: boom boom, shoots twice.

740
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 6: Two ducks fall. I send knocks out and I'm like yes,

741
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 6: and she comes back. She's like, is that okay? And

742
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: I'm like what okay? And she goes, I shot too?

743
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: Is it? Can I do that?

744
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 6: And I was like, yeah, the limited mallard is four.

745
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 6: She goes, we'll finding on that. Out of shot three

746
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 6: got shooting. That's funny, that's good shooting though.

747
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's good.

748
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: I heard a story this week about somebody and I

749
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: can't I can't say their name, but.

750
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: They they shot.

751
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: I can't tell the story never mind. It was about

752
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: shooting one one over the limit, like but they but

753
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: it was an accident and there's a younger person and

754
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: there was they kind of got excited. But I can't

755
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: tell that story. No, I don't know what made me

756
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: think I could.

757
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: I got one more thing to add before we go

758
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 6: to Deer, because it's worth since I'm sitting in his chair.

759
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 6: I got a Brent Reeve, I got I have to

760
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: shout out Brent Reeves. Okay, so driving up here, I

761
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 6: had a vehicle failure in Arkansas. I mean my trucks

762
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 6: loaded down with stuff. I'm supposed to be in South

763
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: Dakota because the first week I was up there was for.

764
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 4: An on next thing.

765
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 6: And anyway, I'm I'm in a bind, right, So I

766
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 6: have to get limped my truck to a dealership and

767
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 6: trying to figure out I got to get a rental

768
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 6: all that stuff and sorted, and I'm like, Brent lives

769
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 6: close to here.

770
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: I called Brent, told him what was going on.

771
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 6: It wasn't fifteen minutes here come a pair of overalls

772
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: coming across that parking lot.

773
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Has that right? Oh yeah, he broke down right in

774
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: his town and he.

775
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: Come picked me up, loaded me up, took me to

776
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 6: the car rental place.

777
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what we were joking. It's like someone ought

779
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 6: to que up that Tracy Lawrence song.

780
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 4: What's what?

781
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: What song is that?

782
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: To find out who your friends are?

783
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: Song?

784
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh?

785
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I got it. Did you get your truck back?

786
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 6: I got We have to when we leave here, we

787
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 6: have to go through Little Rock, through that dealership.

788
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: You gotta stay the night there.

789
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, O don't know. We'll we'll we'll make

790
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: it home.

791
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: It'll just be late, but you can get you can

792
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: pick it up at night. Okay, yeah, awesome. Yeah, Well,

793
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: good job, Brent, Good job a man.

794
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: Brent saves the day.

795
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: He did, he did.

796
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 5: He picked me up and gave me some moose sausage

797
00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 5: he did.

798
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

799
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: Wow, just a heck of a guy.

800
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Also, wow, moot sauce.

801
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 7: Did you save me any of that?

802
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 5: Yeah?

803
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 8: He said, you try to save me some mm hmmm,

804
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 8: look how I went anyway?

805
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: Deer stories? Uh, Forrest? What what story stood out to you?

806
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

807
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 6: The Gary Nukeman, you know, just imparting chaos into the

808
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 6: deer hunting universe with no bad intentions whatsoever.

809
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Just be like surprised you about my dad?

810
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 6: No, I don't think, I don't think so. That was

811
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 6: just so funny man.

812
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Well I said it in the in the in the

813
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: in the voiceover. But they called my dad back in

814
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: the day tinker Bell because he liked the tinker with

815
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: stuff so much. His his bows stands. Again another life,

816
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: Dad would have been like a product designer. He was

817
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: designing tree stands and having him custom factabricated back in

818
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: the earlyies and late eighties. I've we've got some of

819
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: the prototypes of the of the stand.

820
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: He had one stand that he called the contraption, and it.

821
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: Was a whole lot of confidence.

822
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: It was made of aluminum and it was like just

823
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: specked out to just the nth degree with what he wanted,

824
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: had a big seat. It was collapsible, and so imagine

825
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: a stand built with one inch aluminum. And he took

826
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: a he drill, took a drill and drilled out hundreds

827
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: of holes in the contraption to less to make it

828
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: way less. And that stand is still usable to this day.

829
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 9: I've got some I've got some sticks that he's given

830
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 9: me that are just have an unbelievable amount of old

831
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 9: drill And I'm just like, is this even still?

832
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm not gonna just bend on me when

833
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: I stepped.

834
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 4: On as the recipient of many Gary Nucomb hand me downs,

835
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: and I mean, in all honesty, things I've just stolen

836
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 4: from him when he's not looking. Yes, yeah, there's a

837
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: lot of jury rigging in there.

838
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: I feel like he missed like the saddle hunting generation

839
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 6: he would have thrived because it's all like get some stuff.

840
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: No, I used the eater and all that he missed

841
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 5: his window there.

842
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and and he you know, he's not hunting

843
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: really much anymore. Part and part of the that the

844
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a bummer to me. I

845
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: wish Dad would have not declared.

846
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: That he wasn't hunting anymore.

847
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: But he kind of made a declaration like, Hey, I'm

848
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: not really hunting anymore. And so that's why he sold

849
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: some of his stuff. That's why uh uh Dustin Cray

850
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: had one of his old stands because he sold some

851
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: of it.

852
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Dustin showed us that that that it was

853
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 4: a it was a platform for a saddle, and that

854
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: that platform was just bolted on their completely upside down.

855
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean, and Dustin didn't know any better because he's

856
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: not experienced with the saddle. But he's like, he's like, man,

857
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 4: this thing is just not working.

858
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: Dustin's a really good deer hunter too. Yeah, if he

859
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: said it was a nice buck, it was he guided.

860
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: Out west, too, didn't he.

861
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: I think?

862
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, he did some guidance. OK.

863
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: So Dustin's I got to say that. I said it

864
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: in the vo, but I'll say it again. One of

865
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: the best deer stories that we've ever had told. In

866
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: my opinion, like if I were one day, we're going

867
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: to do a compilation of the best deer stories, because

868
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: we've done them in long enough that we probably have

869
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: forty or fifty deer stories. And it's not if you've

870
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: ever been the recipient of Me or Josh calling you

871
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: asking you for a deer story. We're not just calling

872
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: everybody in the world. We're trying to find like really

873
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: specific style stories in they're harder than you think. People

874
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: that have hunted their whole lives sometimes maybe don't have

875
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I've only got a couple of story words

876
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: maybe that would fit what I'm looking for. And but

877
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: but Dale Craig, Dustin's dad is a I mean just

878
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: has stacks.

879
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: He's one of these guys that just has stacks.

880
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: Of horns, just like out in the barn that just

881
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, he appreciates them. But but there

882
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: he's just an old mountain hunter hunting public land. And

883
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: he told the story three years ago of seeing a buck.

884
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: He's way out in the mountains, sees a buck on

885
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: a he he is on a steep hillside looking across

886
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: a big holler over to a deer over here. He

887
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: grunts by grunts at this deer, and he had just

888
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: taken a bite of an apple, so he had the

889
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: apple in his right hand. Grunt Collins left, and he'd

890
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: like he had apple in his mouth when he saw

891
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: the deer. He sets the apple down on the ground

892
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: so that he can put his grunt call and grab

893
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: his gun.

894
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: And when he sets the apple down.

895
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: He's getting his gun up and he and he hears

896
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: the apple start to roll, and he said, the apple

897
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: just starts kind of slow, and he just cringes, just like, oh,

898
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, the steer's just like right there, and he

899
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: said that apple started rolling and it just started getting.

900
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: Higher and higher. He said it was bouthing four feet

901
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: off the ground and he just thinks it's over.

902
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: Well, it was the perfect decoy because that buck heard

903
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: a grunt and then he hears what he thinks is

904
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: a deer running and the big buck, it was a

905
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: big mountain buck comes just storming in there with his

906
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: hair all bristled up, just coming in for a fight,

907
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: and just runs up right in his face and you know.

908
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: Fifty sixty yards, Yeah, he kills the deer. That's dustin

909
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: Craig's dad.

910
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: Okay, so.

911
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, that was a great story. That was

912
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: a great story. Blake which one stood out to you?

913
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 6: Man, there was two of them that because Lacy and

914
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 6: I listened to it together. I'm not going to steal yours,

915
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 6: so I'll go with the other one, the recent one

916
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: with with your buddy when he was trying to get Yeah. Yeah,

917
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 6: that's just I mean, it's one of those things. It's

918
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 6: like the Apple story you're telling just a second ago.

919
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 6: It would have been a good story regardless because it's

920
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 6: a great deer, but you throw in the fact that

921
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: you know he's like, oh my gosh, and he's not

922
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: even hooked to the tree yet, he's still hung from

923
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: his lineman drope and having to make it go together.

924
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just I really enjoyed that because it's

925
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 6: it's relatable. I can't relate to a deer quite that big,

926
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 6: but just something where you have to make do because

927
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 6: stuff's happening and you're not ready yet, Like that's.

928
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: A I would What wasn't portrayed in that story is

929
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: how hard it was to do what he did. I

930
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: think one and forty guys probably would have killed that deer.

931
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean, because he had his boat on his back,

932
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: he had his release on his hand, which I never

933
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: put my release on before I get in a tree.

934
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: Really no, I just don't. I mean, just don't try.

935
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always do.

936
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, well maybe okay one and twenty have

937
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: killed it, y'all two would but no, But he didn't

938
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: have his bow on a rope, which I always have

939
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: my bow on a rope. He had it strung over,

940
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: and he told why he didn't have it on the rope.

941
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: But then the.

942
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: Deer pops out and he's.

943
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: You know, when you're judging yard, it is just by

944
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: just your eye you are, you know, it makes a difference,

945
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: even just a few yards. Yeah, so he guessed at

946
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: forty yards and just ten rings.

947
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 6: That was the most one of the most impressive parts

948
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 6: to me, because, yeah, that it's happening fast, and it's

949
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 6: so when you're in I'm assuming he's in the woods,

950
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know how dense the timber was,

951
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: but it's so easy. I mean, that just shows that

952
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: he's been doing it a while. He guessed it that good.

953
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

954
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's a he's a he's a he's a

955
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 2: good hunter, real good hunter. That was a good one, Lacy,

956
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: which one did you like?

957
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 8: The guy that hunted with the family and the brothers

958
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 8: and he took his dog with him. It's just there

959
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 8: was so much chaos, so perfectly, and most good stories

960
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 8: have a little bit of chaos, and his was just

961
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 8: full of it.

962
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was so funny.

964
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: Gary Farmer, that's that story cracked me up because he

965
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: was like, just tell me where you want to drop

966
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: the tailgate?

967
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 6: Yea cracked me just the scene of like the two

968
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 6: brothers are fighting, a third brother pulls up. When we

969
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 6: heard it, Lacey goes, it sounds like something that would

970
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 6: happen in a Andy Griffith episode.

971
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it was a Darling family or something.

972
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: You know.

973
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 7: It's just perfect.

974
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: That was the vibe.

975
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Vibe.

976
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny that h Gary's laugh.

977
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's gotta gotta He's got like a really

978
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: contagious laugh. When he laughed, you just can't help but

979
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: laugh with him. Uh yeah, that was good.

980
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: Now.

981
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: So Gary Farmer is the one who told.

982
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: The story last episode about the mule bucking him Teddy

983
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 2: the lines off the mule, you know, and he so

984
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's so interesting you go to these guys houses.

985
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: And I didn't know Gary that well, but I mean

986
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: just to just killed more deer than I've probably seen.

987
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

988
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: And those are the two stories he tells me, you know,

989
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: and and and maybe I prided him for, you know,

990
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: like do you have anything funny? But also was like,

991
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: just tell me your favorite deer story. Those are those

992
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: are two he told me. Some other ones, but those

993
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: were those were two that he told. And yeah, a

994
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: lot of the guys, a lot of the guys around

995
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: here had dog hunting stories. You can't up in the Ozarks,

996
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: you can't dog hunt anymore. Down in the Washtalls you

997
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: still can. But uh, that was a good one. That

998
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: was a good one, Maar. What was your favorite one?

999
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 9: Probably the Gary Nucomb story. Yeah, I think that I

1000
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 9: told you right before. That's something almost identical has happened

1001
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 9: to me borrowing Paul Paul's stuff. The first time I

1002
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 9: ever used a saddle was some of his stuff. And

1003
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 9: I don't remember exactly what happened, but I get way

1004
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 9: up the tree and platform falls out from under me,

1005
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 9: just like you.

1006
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: Know, probably for me sold.

1007
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was probably was an upside down platform that

1008
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 9: but anyway, I like that one just I mean it

1009
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 9: it just kind of speaks to the the chaos that

1010
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 9: can happen while you're out there in the deer woods.

1011
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: The unpredictability, the.

1012
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 9: Fact that it lasted two full hours and then just

1013
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 9: like out of the blue, just dropped on them. Was

1014
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean, they're like right as a deer

1015
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 9: was coming.

1016
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Was just it was unbelievable. Yeah, I thought that was

1017
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: a good story. It scares your death when them stand moves.

1018
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, whenever you're in the saddle and it just like

1019
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 9: as it's settling in, you know that drop.

1020
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh gosh last week twice.

1021
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: I mean I've been sitting there for a long time

1022
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: and my my tether just kind of re situated, went

1023
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: too far one way or the other, and.

1024
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: Just dropped you.

1025
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: I mean probably that far and your heart drops out

1026
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: of your chest. I can't imagine a platform actually falling

1027
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: out from underneath you.

1028
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: You, Yeah, you'd have to clean thank you're about you're

1029
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: about to die.

1030
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 6: Do you have that moment when you're like fully entrusting

1031
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: your life to your tether, Like after you've unhooked your

1032
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 6: like linemen at the very top and you go all right,

1033
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 6: it's clipped and here we go.

1034
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm alive, all right, I'm always going from

1035
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: the airline pilot.

1036
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: I used my saddle for the first time week before last,

1037
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: and I have to be honest and say I left

1038
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: my alignment on. Just yeah.

1039
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 6: I was like my dad still to this day he

1040
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 6: does send me like I'm not taking that thing off.

1041
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well.

1042
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: School, I do something that I don't. I think everybody

1043
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: ought to do it. I after the lineman, after you

1044
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: get your tether on, and forgive us for those of

1045
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: you who don't saddle hunt. But when you have your

1046
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: tether on, and you know right when you take your

1047
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: I undo my lineman and hook it back onto itself

1048
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: and make.

1049
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 4: A long loop like another tether like so if your.

1050
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Tether failed, you wouldn't fall to the ground.

1051
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: You would be dangling five ft.

1052
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: But it's never gotten the way never got you understand

1053
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: what it's a backup. You'd never go climb some big

1054
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: or as I understand mountain climbing. You you have you know,

1055
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: duplicit as safe what do they call it?

1056
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: Uh, there's a.

1057
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: Black backup of redundancy.

1058
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: You have a lot of redundancy. It makes me feel good.

1059
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: I've never thought about doing that.

1060
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it can hurt you. If it's too tight,

1061
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: you lose some. But if you get it long enough

1062
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: where it's drooping long enough, you can have your full

1063
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: range of motion and it's just clip back in, you know.

1064
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: So it's a few more cord you know, ropes hanging

1065
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: around get tangled up in.

1066
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: But it sure makes me feel good.

1067
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure you can't. I mean, I had to

1068
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 6: talking about saddle stuff. I had to film a guy

1069
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 6: in uh, North Dakota last week, my buddy Ben Bredigan

1070
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 6: and uh I have this thing about hunting and stands

1071
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: that I didn't hang myself, you know, just because you

1072
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 6: know what's there. And anyhow, I go to the top

1073
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 6: of this stick ladder and I do have my lineman's

1074
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 6: on some good but the very top of the ladder,

1075
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 6: and he had a lock on him there and I

1076
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: was since I was filming, I was just hanging my

1077
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 6: saddle above it, and so i'd be above him, you know.

1078
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 6: But I don't know what happened with that top ratchet

1079
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: strap for that ladder and it didn't go anywhere. But

1080
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 6: talking about your heart stop and it had just enough

1081
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 6: sension and when I grabbed it, it gave about an

1082
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 6: inch and I was like.

1083
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 5: Ben got up to the standing, He's like, what happened?

1084
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 5: Like this strap?

1085
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 6: What you were like?

1086
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

1087
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 5: He killed a deer that morning, so it worked out.

1088
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I killed the nice dear.

1089
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1090
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: North Dakota.

1091
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: He uh yeah, North Dakota.

1092
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 6: He had a rifle tag and was prepared to shoot

1093
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 6: all distances that yeah. I mean, I mean he's seven

1094
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 6: PRC and I saw him shoot with it before its

1095
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 6: good And then that time of year, he rattles. We

1096
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 6: rattled three times that morning and every time a buck

1097
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 6: came in the third time it was a big mature buck,

1098
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 6: and he shot that dear at twenty yards. Wow came

1099
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 6: and we come out of a thicket, so we didn't

1100
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 6: see it, I mean, but he he rattles and then

1101
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 6: turned around to hang his antlers up. So he's facing me,

1102
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 6: you know, because he's hanging the antlers up, and.

1103
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben, They're.

1104
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: Just walking right towards us.

1105
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 6: And by the time he was like fifty yards when

1106
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 6: I saw him. But by the time Ben slips the

1107
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 6: rifle off and gets to us, I mean, he was

1108
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 6: literally twenty yards.

1109
00:50:54,520 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an exciting hunt man.

1110
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: It was cool. It was cool.

1111
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: Hey, I've got to tell one story about a tree

1112
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: stand incident and it's associated with Gary Knukman because it

1113
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: was when I was a young man and I was

1114
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: using his stands. It really wasn't his fault, but I

1115
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: kind of blame him. I mean, I mean, it really

1116
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: wasn't his fault, but I was using.

1117
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: A loggy loggy by.

1118
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: You tree stand by. You remember that loggy by you

1119
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: used to be like the El Primo climbing stand and

1120
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: they they had so imagine the old like a PI

1121
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: style uh or you know, just like regular style like climber,

1122
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: but it had a big metal band and on the

1123
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: back of the metal it was a little rubber piece

1124
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: that gripped the tree.

1125
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: And uh.

1126
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: I remember I went hunting and when I left it

1127
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: was real cold and the tops of the mountains were

1128
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: kind of in the clouds. And when I got to

1129
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain I was going to there

1130
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: was frosting ice all over the.

1131
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: North sides of the trees. It was like a big

1132
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: front had come.

1133
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: Through, so all the trees had half of them covered

1134
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: in like a half inch of ice, and I was like, man,

1135
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: this is gonna be good. And I took that climber

1136
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: and I was going to a spot Dad had found

1137
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: and he'd told me where to go, and there was

1138
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: a good bucking there, good bucking there. And put the

1139
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: climber on the tree and like it never occurred to me,

1140
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: this is a bad idea. It was like half of

1141
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: the tree is covered in a lot of maybe a

1142
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: quarter inch of ice, a lot of ice. I start

1143
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: climbing up in that rubber strap. When it would get

1144
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: on the ice wouldn't grip very good and it would

1145
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: kind of bounce around a little bit. But I went

1146
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: straight to the top of this big, big pine tree,

1147
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: you know, one of these pines that didn't have a

1148
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: limb for you know, thirty foot I mean I was

1149
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: well over twenty feet up in this tree. And when

1150
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I when I get turned around to sit, I take

1151
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: my weight off of the bottom platform. And this is

1152
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: where it is Gary's fault is there was no string

1153
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: attached to the flat top platform, to the bottom platform.

1154
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: And when I took my weight off in that loggy bayou, yeah,

1155
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: it had just a seat that just like strung, you know,

1156
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: and when I took my weight off of that, that

1157
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: thing just went and just went straight to the ground.

1158
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: I mean twenty plus feed up. And I'm just sitting

1159
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 2: here just like this.

1160
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: With my feet that way.

1161
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: In the in the in the base of that thing

1162
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: is all the way down on the ground. And uh,

1163
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: and there's ice all over the back of this tree.

1164
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: And I just sat there for a minute.

1165
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's before cell phones and have a

1166
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: cell phone or anything, you know, And it's in the evening,

1167
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: so it's you know, gonna get dark here in a

1168
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: couple of hours, and I'm just like, dang, what am

1169
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: I going to do? And I eventually I figured out

1170
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: a way to get turned around, and I would I

1171
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: would hug that tree with my legs like this and.

1172
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: Just and I would have my arms right here and

1173
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: just with.

1174
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: All the coarse strength I could muster, I would just

1175
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: like lean forward and put the pressure off of that

1176
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: thing and it would just like and then I would

1177
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: put and hold all of my legs and I went

1178
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: all the way down that tree, gripping it with my

1179
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: legs and just pulling up and getting you know, just

1180
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: going like four inches.

1181
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: At a time. And I made it to the bottom

1182
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: of the tree.

1183
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: And now this is what I also give credit to

1184
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: Gary Nukem for I got the bottom platform and I

1185
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: went straight back up that tree and hunt until dark

1186
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: I did.

1187
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: No, I don't like Gary Nrkan for that.

1188
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 6: I think every nineties and two thousands climber story that

1189
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 6: I've heard has to do with with it not.

1190
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 4: Being tied to the bottom.

1191
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1192
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 10: Everyone, everyone, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably like everybody,

1193
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 10: everybody that's like my age or older would have been

1194
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 10: like seeing that one coming, like it's losing the bottom

1195
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 10: of that platform.

1196
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 4: I bought a climber the summer from from Klay's father

1197
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: in law, and that was the first thing I checked

1198
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 4: before I left the house. I hope this thing's got

1199
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: a rope on it.

1200
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: It's got a string? Yep, yep, Josh, which one stood

1201
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: out to you?

1202
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 4: You know, I really liked this story about the brothers,

1203
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: but I have to say I got to be there

1204
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: when James Lawrence told his story, And anytime you get

1205
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: to interview a live member of the Baggeries Hall of Fame,

1206
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: you got to count yourself lucky. And just spending time

1207
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 4: with James Lawrence as always a treat you know, such

1208
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 4: a such a great guy. I mean just not you know,

1209
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 4: Clay has said it a number of times, but getting

1210
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: to spend time with him there and seeing his his

1211
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 4: walls with all his antlers and on the bottom side

1212
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 4: of his porch with all the antlers hanging out there.

1213
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 4: He really is as good of a mountain buck hunter

1214
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 4: as there's been. And h he's not he's not, he's humble.

1215
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: He just does it because he loves it. And so

1216
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: just hearing him talking about hunting that deer this year,

1217
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: you could just see the twinkle in his eye. He's

1218
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: a he's an old man now, but you can just

1219
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: see the twinkle in his eye light up when he

1220
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 4: when he talked about that buck coming in and just

1221
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: lifting his antlers up, and yeah, he was. He was

1222
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: just absolutely tickled to kill that butt.

1223
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: It was a big one too, yep, yeap, mainframe twelve

1224
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: point yep. Yeah, man, I was glad to see him

1225
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: get that deer. He's been, uh, he's been needing a

1226
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: big one. He kills, I mean, he kills pretty good

1227
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: ones every year. It's been a while since he killed

1228
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: a really nice deer.

1229
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh uh.

1230
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I say that now I'm remembering when he

1231
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: killed two years ago.

1232
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: You know what, maybe he didn't deserve that.

1233
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 4: You see his walls, there's no shortage there.

1234
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 5: He's still on top. He can remember.

1235
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: He can remember everyone up there.

1236
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: Do the I mean, just you point out a little

1237
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: bitty rack and they'll be like, man, I killed that

1238
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: on Sugarloaf Mountain. I've got one of his racks on

1239
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: my wall right there. He One day I walked in

1240
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: there and I said, James, I said, this may be

1241
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: a little a funny ask, but I knew exactly how

1242
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: it was going to go. But I just said, can

1243
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: I have one of your deer heads? I want to

1244
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: take it and put in my office. He said, pick

1245
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: up whatever one you want. He would have given me

1246
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 2: the biggest one. He actually he when I picked that one,

1247
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: he said, why don't you take that one?

1248
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: And he pointed to the biggest one.

1249
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 2: He said, you can take that one, and I said, nah,

1250
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to take your big one.

1251
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: I said, I just want like a classic, you know,

1252
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: washtall mountain buck. And so that one has been like

1253
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: nine inch brow ties at eight point over there for us.

1254
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,479
Speaker 5: You see it man up there coming off the angle Yeah.

1255
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a James Lawrence buck.

1256
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: That's a hammer, just just just a buck. You just

1257
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: saw the horns off of, you know. But yeah, yeah,

1258
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: that was cool.

1259
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1260
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 2: So there's that's a picture of James Lacy. That's James

1261
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: Lawrence in the seventies.

1262
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 5: How old is he now?

1263
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: He's late seventies.

1264
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pushing eighty. I think, yeah, seventy eight probably.

1265
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: Probably he's about he's the same age as my dad.

1266
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: I think dad's seventy seven. Yeah, I think I think

1267
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: James is probably seventy seven.

1268
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 4: Yep.

1269
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, what else do we need to talk about?

1270
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: The Meatied Alive Tour? There's still some tickets.

1271
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Birmingham, Nowville, Memphis, No, no tickets Intville, Dallas, Texas, Austin, Texas.

1272
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: Christmas Tour gonna be big, gonna.

1273
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 4: Be big, Gonna go to One Lake.

1274
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll go to the Memphis one Nice yep, nice forest.

1275
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: You got Hawaii? Inspire me up a Hawaii date.

1276
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: I'll be there. Why don't you just fly your big.

1277
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 6: And you might be onto something there? Now, you could

1278
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 6: be swiped credit colored on the gas.

1279
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: Dallas Airport, be there? How fast could you be from

1280
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: Waii to doubt that Dallas.

1281
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: Uh in the previous plane probably eight hours. Holy wow,

1282
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 6: that's a long way. It's a long first time I

1283
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 6: flew to Waii in that big plane and that was

1284
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 6: the first time I'd ever done any like even like

1285
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 6: partially transoceanic anything. And like we cross over California and

1286
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 6: I'm like looking out there, I'm like, man, the ocean

1287
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 6: is big. It really is big. I've been to the ocean,

1288
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 6: but you hadn't seen it from like that perspective, right,

1289
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 6: And like two hours later, I'm like, the ocean is big.

1290
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: Man. Like we just keep going.

1291
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's unbelievable how vast it is.

1292
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 6: Like you just go and go and go and go going,

1293
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 6: you know, six hundred knots, five hundred and fifty knots

1294
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 6: just going.

1295
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: How fast is that miles per hour?

1296
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 5: Six fifty five fifty would probably be about six fifty.

1297
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: Six hundred fifty miles an hour and you're traveling for hours, Yeah,

1298
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: from the.

1299
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 6: Coast, Like from the coast to Hawaii at like airliners

1300
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 6: beach is probably like four four and a half.

1301
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: If you're thinking it's thirty six hundred miles from the

1302
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: coast Man.

1303
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 5: It is so far, it's crazy.

1304
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: Wow, it's like traveling in the United States.

1305
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, the little plane on playing now is just like

1306
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 6: Inner Island stuff like it couldn't make it to the mainland.

1307
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 6: It didn't have the legs to make it to the

1308
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 6: mainland if it wanted to.

1309
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever flown around the world.

1310
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: No, no, I'm not.

1311
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: I've been.

1312
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 6: Like I said, Hawaii went to Bermuda, not land of Bermuda.

1313
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 6: It is funny when you mentioned Bermuda. I literally the

1314
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 6: only other time I had like a smoke scared in

1315
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 6: the plane was like over Bermuda in the middle of

1316
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 6: the night. I would almost fell victim to it. I

1317
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 6: was like, you're kidding me, was like, you can't be serious.

1318
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: Quicksand Bermuda Triangle yep, and the Lockedness Monster.

1319
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: Those were the big ones.

1320
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 5: Four.

1321
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Bigfoot has kind of been he.

1322
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 4: Stood the test of time.

1323
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: But you know, you don't hear much about the Bermuda Triangle,

1324
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: quicksand and the Lockedness Monster.

1325
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 4: Yea terrifying.

1326
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: What are kids even afraid of today?

1327
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 5: WiFi going down?

1328
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: We had a whole section on.

1329
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 6: I remember learning about the Bermuda Triangle. I was in

1330
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 6: third grade, went home and talked to my mom about

1331
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 6: it's like, what are we going to do about someone's

1332
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 6: got to put something's going on?

1333
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did she say?

1334
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 4: She's probably I don't know. I wish I could remember.

1335
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 4: I fel like that was.

1336
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 6: History books though, I'm telling you that that was like

1337
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 6: the first as like this is it's out there, so

1338
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 6: you know it's in third grade.

1339
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 4: I remember it like vividly.

1340
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 5: I don't know why.

1341
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: The Bermuda Triangle scary stuff.

1342
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh, man, and killer sharks were pretty big back in

1343
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: our day.

1344
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: Jaws, the movie Jaws.

1345
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still scared of that stuff.

1346
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1347
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 6: The beach is right on my back door and I'll

1348
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 6: go through about right here.

1349
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: Quite a bit of shark activity in Hawaii.

1350
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1351
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 6: We just had a guy I live so I live

1352
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 6: on Kawhi and we just had a guy get bit.

1353
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 5: Surfing like two weeks ago there.

1354
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 6: He lived, thankfully, but man, it happens, it happens out there.

1355
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

1356
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, speaking of the movie Jaws reminded me of it.

1357
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: The bear that that killed the guy here in Arkansas

1358
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: is still on the loose. I mean we so we

1359
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: we talked about it in depth a month ago. That

1360
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, there were two two bear kills, two human

1361
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 2: fatalities from black bears in Arkansas, first time since eighteen

1362
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: ninety two. I think they said that a bear had

1363
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: killed a person and that two of them happened in

1364
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: the same month, and I was I was just by

1365
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: happenstance able to be involved in the in the investigation

1366
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: and then the killing of the bear that we thought

1367
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: was the one that did it. And then when the

1368
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: DNA tests came back. We hadn't talked about this on

1369
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: the podcast. When the DNA test came back, so there

1370
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: was DNA on the man that was killed bear DNA

1371
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: And then you know, we killed a bear that they

1372
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: sent to the crime lab and it wasn't the same bear.

1373
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: So that bear is still.

1374
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: Out there, which is pretty wild. Somebody made reference to

1375
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: the movie Jaws.

1376
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 9: Is there is there a planned I mean, is there

1377
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 9: anything they can do?

1378
01:03:58,960 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: No?

1379
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: Not really, because they basically they had surveillance of multiple

1380
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: multiple cell cameras overbait and traps at Sam's Throne since

1381
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: that day, since October the second, and they the only bear,

1382
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: the only black bear that showed back up at the

1383
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 2: site of the kill was the bear.

1384
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: That was killed and it looked like the one and

1385
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: it fit that. Yeah. Yeah, so it was really interesting

1386
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: to hear it.

1387
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: Seeing the response of the public to that just just

1388
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous ignorance. I mean, it just kind of blows

1389
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: your mind. I mean the amount of people that were like, ah,

1390
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: you should have tranquilized the bear, sent the DNA in,

1391
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: then decided if you were going to kill it.

1392
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 6: Well, you also can learn, like you look at that

1393
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 6: example in the response and you start to understand how

1394
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 6: misinformation can spread so quickly because people in those comments

1395
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 6: like can't believe that you know, y'all are killing bears

1396
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 6: like this out of season and you're like, it's they

1397
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 6: killed it during season and didn't you say, like the

1398
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 6: quota hadn't even been met yet.

1399
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like.

1400
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: They didn't harm and it shouldn't matter if it was.

1401
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 6: It was like totally within the purview of the AGFC

1402
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 6: to be like it's yeah, they're bear to manage, well

1403
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 6: for them to i mean, for them to tranquilize the

1404
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 6: bear DNA test to prosecute.

1405
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: There were many people that said the bear should have

1406
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: been tranquilized and the GPS collar put on it and

1407
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: then once we got the DNA test back, we tracked

1408
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: the bear down with the caller and then you know,

1409
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: kill it if it's the one that did it. So

1410
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: I like the intelligent, seemingly intelligent people said these things.

1411
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 4: And I.

1412
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: Usually don't go on the defensive on social media, but

1413
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: I did defend the game and fish and the Newton

1414
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Office Glenn Wheeler, my friend who who was

1415
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: heavily involved in the the deal because there was a

1416
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: human fatality in it.

1417
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: And I mean they did.

1418
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: The They did what every agency in the country should do.

1419
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: If they wouldn't have done it, is that they pulled

1420
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: every possible stop to kill the bear that did it,

1421
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: and they did what was right. They put out a

1422
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: bunch of traps. They tried to catch it in a

1423
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: in like a tube trap, and then a snare trap,

1424
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: a bucket snare.

1425
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: Had those all over that place, and.

1426
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: Three days after the body was discovered, so the man

1427
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: was actually killed a couple of days before the law

1428
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: enforcement showed up and found him, so the bear had

1429
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: potentially not been there for three days.

1430
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: It was all discovered.

1431
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: They put out traps and cameras and UH and the

1432
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: own and a bear shows up three days after that,

1433
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: on October the fifth, and that's when we got the

1434
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: call said bring dogs, And from that day on, not

1435
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: a single bear came to Samsung. So, I mean, I

1436
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: guess it's possible a bear showed up but wasn't on camera,

1437
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: but highly unlikely with all the bait and different stuff.

1438
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what else they would have done.

1439
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean they would be the bear.

1440
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean that.

1441
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't draw up anything better for them

1442
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 6: to do than what they did. No, I'd bet my

1443
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 6: whole paycheck that would have been just I mean, like

1444
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 6: a reasonable person would say, yeah, that's probably him.

1445
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a It was a i'm

1446
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna say juvenile. I mean it was.

1447
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: A subadult male a weigh one hundred and seventy five pounds,

1448
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: so I mean it was close to it. I mean,

1449
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: it was was in a cub, but it was like

1450
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: a two year old, two year old bear that was killed.

1451
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: And from the photos we knew that it was a

1452
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: young juvenile male. And so the bear that we killed

1453
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: did all of us were like, man, he's bigger than

1454
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 2: we thought, Like that should have been Misty queued in

1455
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: onto that about how human bias like we see sometimes

1456
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 2: what we want to see. Because when I told her

1457
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: on the phone on the way home, I said, the

1458
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: bear was a little bigger than we thought.

1459
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: She was like, really, it's a little bigger. All you

1460
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: guys that look.

1461
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: At bear pictures like every day of your life for

1462
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: the last thirty years throughout twenty years since it has

1463
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: been trail cameras. And she didn't say much about it.

1464
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: But I was just like, oh, it's a bear. It

1465
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: was him. I was like, I bet my pickup truck

1466
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: that is him. That it is an older truck. But

1467
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: we all knew it was the bear.

1468
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: Sure, and and dad given it wasn't the bear.

1469
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 2: But it's interesting to think right now there's a man

1470
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: killing bear out there that.

1471
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 6: Is well, you remember, speaking of the social media outrage

1472
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 6: and stuff, there was that guy a few years ago

1473
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 6: that killed that like he's a hiker or jogger, killed

1474
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 6: that forty pound mountain lion with his bare hands when

1475
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 6: it attacked him, and people are on there on the

1476
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 6: internet were just like, that's a small one.

1477
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: I over that.

1478
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 6: It almost exploded when I saw people talking about that.

1479
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 6: I'm like, have you ever like tried to hold a

1480
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 6: house cat that didn't want to help. It's just all

1481
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 6: you can do, Yeah, all you can do to hold

1482
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 6: on to it. That was a credibility lost on the

1483
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 6: Internet from that day. If you imagine trying to make

1484
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 6: that argument. He killed that line with his bare hands. Yeah,

1485
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 6: but it was it was a small mountain. Yeah, that

1486
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 6: was Yeah, that was the day I lost faith in

1487
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 6: the Internet.

1488
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 4: I think he lasted longer than me.

1489
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah.

1490
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: Well hey, thanks everybody for coming, Forrest, thanks for coming.

1491
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: Man, good to be here, Lacey, thank you.

1492
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 7: So much for glad I can make it.

1493
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, glad you could like. Good job on keepecast

1494
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: to stir in the pot. Brother having fun doing it.

1495
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: He does do that our own, our very own.

1496
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: That's Roaldo Pickle Rivera Mayor pick up that buck one

1497
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: more time.

1498
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: He picked up the small one.

1499
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: Uh shoot, man, I want to get a rep com

1500
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 2: made of that deer so I can put it in

1501
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: my office.

1502
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, you don't think they would let you have

1503
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 5: the real thing.

1504
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: Well, he's not like James Lawrence yet.

1505
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 5: Problem is Yeah, Clay called that a one forty five.

1506
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: His problem, man, try off my game. I'm a I'm

1507
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: a I am an official boone Crockett scorer.

1508
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: There was a time in my life when I would

1509
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: have put myself up against anyone, anyone about looking at

1510
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 2: the rack and guessing a score because I scored a

1511
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: lot of deer.

1512
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: The last ten years, I have not scored a lot

1513
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: of deer.

1514
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: I'm an inactive boone Crocket scorer and so uh. But

1515
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: the good news is is that my judgment is calibrated low.

1516
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you're going to be off, he was better

1517
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 9: than that's a one sixty five.

1518
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: Because everybody's credibility.

1519
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I talked to one of my good buddies

1520
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: this week and he said, Clay, people all over the

1521
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: internet talk about past in one forties, and he said,

1522
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: there is not There are a few people on planet

1523
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: Earth that would pass, truly pass the one forty. Now

1524
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: I stand by that, even Midwest guys. I know the deer.

1525
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: I've been in the camps of the deer that you passed.

1526
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: There were one forty and you killed the one thirty.

1527
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean like a one forty is a giant.

1528
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, very few people.

1529
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 2: Now, there are people, grant, there are guys that absolutely

1530
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: are not me below one percent would you say you

1531
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: think that's your.

1532
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 4: Totally forests, totally, totally.

1533
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit of a rant.

1534
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I like it get fired up.

1535
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 2: But I think I think most people are like, man,

1536
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: I passed one hundred and twenty five inch deer.

1537
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: This, No you didn't.

1538
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 5: There's just no way you.

1539
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: Passed one hundred and fifteen inch.

1540
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 6: I told Clay we're gonna get him some flash cards

1541
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 6: that he can review. And like I said, and nobody's

1542
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 6: stealed that idea out there. Actually there's someone's gonna steal

1543
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 6: my idea.

1544
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Forrest sent me a picture of a deer that his

1545
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: brother killed.

1546
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 2: And I hate it when people do that because I

1547
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 2: don't want to be the guy that says, oh, that's

1548
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: a one sixty and then it's not. I'm usually the

1549
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: one that puts their feet on the ground. I'm like, yeah,

1550
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: I bet that's one hundred and thirty inch deer. What

1551
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: did I say one thirty five?

1552
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 4: I think so.

1553
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,919
Speaker 6: I think we were in the one thirty start.

1554
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: I felt mad. I think I sent him another picture.

1555
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 5: I gave him like a chance of redemption. I said

1556
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 5: it was like one thirty seven.

1557
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, oh, that's a cute brother.

1558
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: He saw the picture. You would see it.

1559
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 2: I'll never forget Mary Believer Nukem taking the knees right

1560
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: out from under me one time.

1561
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't think, Dad, I love you so much. I'd

1562
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: say this to your face.

1563
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: When I killed that deer right on the wall that

1564
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: scored one hundred and sixty nine inches, I remember I

1565
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: brought it to him and he just looked at it

1566
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: and he went first time he'd ever seen it. I

1567
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: brought it the rack just like that down to the

1568
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: management area where we're hunting at deer Camp. I killed

1569
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: it on the eighteenth and we went to deer Camp

1570
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 2: the next week. So brought sald Off Horns, pulled him

1571
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: out of the truck. I remember where we were standing

1572
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,480
Speaker 2: in its dark. I could take you to the spot,

1573
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: and he goes, where does it? I mean, where does

1574
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 2: it get its inches?

1575
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: It didn't go wow, that's increased, he said.

1576
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like he was like, it doesn't

1577
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: look one sixty You sure just trying to.

1578
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 4: Take you down, if you know, I mean.

1579
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: You know.

1580
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 2: And I was trying not to do that with Bear

1581
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 2: because I was the one that was like, man, that's

1582
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: that's an incredible deer.

1583
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: Bear, I bet it scores one forty five.

1584
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 4: That's what I told Clay when I looked at the pictures,

1585
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 4: I said, I think it's on hundred forty five.

1586
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 9: Well before we before I killed them the pictures, I

1587
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 9: guess one forty eight.

1588
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1589
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, these tighter rack deer just don't have the quite

1590
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: the wow factor. Yeah, but that deer had on that

1591
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: right side. It's got twenty two inch main beams four

1592
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: inch G one nine and a half inch G through two,

1593
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: ten inch G four, seven inch or three, and then

1594
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: a seven inch G four. I mean, that's a lot

1595
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: of inches when you start adding it up, but it's

1596
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: only fifteen inches.

1597
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: Why what do you think, Lacy?

1598
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 7: I think that is an excellent dear.

1599
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: That's proud of you to take you.

1600
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, all right. One day, Gary Believer Newcomb

1601
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:28,879
Speaker 2: will have to defend himself.

1602
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 4: But in the meantime we'll just call him out. No.

1603
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: I credit so much of the.

1604
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: Tenacity that I see in my young son Bear here

1605
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: bleeding right down through the bloodlines, starting to Lewin Nukem.

1606
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: Who was you didn't want to go bird hunting with

1607
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: lew and Nukem? He walked into the ground with no

1608
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: lunch break. You know you would you.

1609
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: Looking at me? Yeah, it's like with light.

1610
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 7: He's looking at me because of me.

1611
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: You are you the one who's wanted to go.

1612
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 6: Like the last day she pheasant hunted. We got after

1613
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 6: she looked at me. I was talking about going to

1614
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 6: another spot.

1615
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 5: She goes, I need food, well.

1616
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: And you should. You should fight for your rights, you

1617
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: should stand up for you need an advocate.

1618
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 7: No, I've got it, you know.

1619
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: Uh well, thanks everybody for coming. Appreciate it. Keep the

1620
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: wild places wild because that's where the bears live and

1621
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: those big bucks live