WEBVTT - How We Activate and Engage 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps in Welcome to will Gate f Daily 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:20.480 with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.959 This week, the Supreme Court begins its new session, and 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:31.160 first I want to acknowledge history. I want to acknowledge 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.120 some good news for a change, which is the fact 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:41.280 that Justice Katanji Brown Jackson has begun her term as 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.040 a Supreme Court justice, the first black woman to hold 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.559 that esteemed position in the United States. Now for the 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.760 rest of the bad news, which is that, my God, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:56.400 do I wish that Katanji Brown Jackson was sitting on 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.360 any other Supreme Court than one that I have no 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.320 no mixed feelings, will go down in history as the 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:11.679 most corrupt, weaponized, radicalized, far right wing Supreme Court in 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.360 the history of these United States. Now I say that, 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.720 dear friends, I am not a legal scholar. I am 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.520 not a lawyer. And as you have heard me joke before, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.280 I just watch a lawn order and pretend I know 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.360 a thing or two about a thing or two about 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.080 our legal system, because I surround myself with really smart people. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.080 But the fact is this, the Supreme Court is taking 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:42.720 on in this session some of the most fundamentally life 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:49.600 changing cases that we have seen, same sex marriage and 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.520 the ability of businesses to discriminate against same sex couples, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:01.000 affirmative action, and the ability of predominantly why institutions to 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:09.000 once again turn away people of color and women voting rights. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.560 Finally doing what it is with the Supreme Court that 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.839 John Eastman wasn't able to do with his PowerPoint presentation 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.720 during the Trump administration and their attempted coup, which is 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.040 turnover national elections and the outcomes of national elections to 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:32.200 state electors, just totally dismissing the will and the voice 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:37.520 of Oh, I don't know, hundreds of millions of fucking Americans, 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:44.720 These nine justices, we're not voted in by the people 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.000 of these United States. And so, finally, with the Dabb's 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:55.080 decision last June, and with the fact that abortion is 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.160 damned near illegal and criminalized, not even just the legal, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:05.920 but criminal in a majority of states in this country, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:11.359 would have you recognized that, h are we going to 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.880 go about the business of abiding by laws that we 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.000 know are made by corrupt people in order to keep 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.079 the masses in check and under their thumb? Or are 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:28.720 we going to begin in particularly in blue states that 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.160 actually believe in the Constitution and believe in precedent, and 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.040 believe in the will of people to say fuck the 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:40.320 Supreme Court. Because here's the thing. When the body that 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.880 is making the laws of this land becomes corrupt and corroded, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:52.200 those laws become corrupt and corroded. And so the question 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.560 then that we all have to ask ourselves is that 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.880 we do we just continue to go along for the 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.560 get along and think that, oh, we'll keep getting at 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:05.400 this democracy apple, bites at this justice apple when they 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.000 are not even are they have laid the groundwork. They 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:15.200 own the courts, the far right, white wing in Evangelical Christians, 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.800 and I use white wing. I meant that it was 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:25.000 not a mistake own the courts. They're about to own 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.560 the House of Representatives, and in less than two years 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:35.120 may in fact own the White House. So all that 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.000 being said, you don't really need to have a law 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:44.160 degree to figure out that Jim Crow and you know, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.360 repealing a woman's right to vote and making it so 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.919 that you have no legal recourse if your boss decides 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.520 to fire you because they don't like your hair, they 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.600 don't like your skin color, and they don't like who 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:02.000 you're married to. Where you going with that case nowhere? 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.560 Because if it's kicked up to the Supreme Court, there 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.240 is no longer any precedent that says that you have 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.760 any rights in this country if you are a person 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.680 of color, a woman, a queer person. Right, you know, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:19.240 the majority of Americans. You see what has happened, folks, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:24.640 is that when we started talking in progressive circles. And 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.480 I know this because I was working at the Center 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.839 for American Progress as a senior advisor, and I was 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.799 also working for an environmental organization at the same time. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.000 When we started to talk about the demographic shift was 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.560 in the early two thousands, and we started to talk 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.200 about the fact that this country is getting browner, not 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:54.800 necessarily blacker, but browner in terms of the Latin X 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.960 population growing bigger and bigger. It is the fastest growing 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:08.520 that And then Asian when far right wing racist began 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:14.720 to hear that, what they actually heard was my privilege 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.839 is going to go away. My ability to oppress, my 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.520 ability to just show up and be white and male 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.920 and straight is no longer going to have the same 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.400 currency that it did if these people, if those people 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.280 become the authority, because you see, white people always believe 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.560 that when people of color get into positions of power, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.280 that we have the same sentiment and desire to oppress 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.200 and be cruel and vicious in the way that they are. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.640 That's because they don't know us, because that's not how 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:52.840 people of color actually operate, not in this country. What 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.760 we have tried to do, and what we have worked 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.680 to do, and what we have fought in the courts 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.680 to do, is to level a playing field for people 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.800 of color in a way that allowed us to move 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.840 aside the purposeful obstacles that were put in our way 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:14.360 by virtue of white supremacy and capitalism and patriarchy. So 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:21.200 when the far right and the radicalized white supremacy groups 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.480 began to see this, they said, well, no, we got 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.520 to roll back abortion, which they've been saying. But what 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.800 we weren't listening to is that they wanted to roll 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.120 back abortion because they wanted more white babies. You see, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.720 if women are out here, you know, being heads of 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.480 households and having their own financial stability and their ability 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:47.080 to forecast their own futures, well then they're not relying 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.280 on men, and then they're going to decide to wait 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.320 to have children because we haven't created the conditions in 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.320 this country that make it easy for people to want 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:59.200 to actually have families who want them. It's not as 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:03.560 if we provide universal PreK or universal kindergarten. It's not 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:09.040 as if we provide regular childcare tax credits. Right, It's 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:15.160 not as if we allow for parents to have maternity 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.080 and paternity leave that lasts more than a couple of months, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.360 and then the rest of the time you're cobbling together 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.720 your disability in order to stay home with your new 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.800 fucking baby. For all of these talks about being pro 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.240 life and pro child, they don't give a fuck because 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.320 just look at our public education system. But I digress. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.720 The fact is that this has been a long sought 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:48.280 after plan. We'll start with abortion and then we'll go 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.160 back to voting rights, because remember they tried. They fucked 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.920 with voting rights in the beginning of the two thousands 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:59.920 again when they said, oh, these historically and notoriously racist 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.720 Southern states, Oh, they don't need to have preclarance anymore. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.240 They can go ahead and change their voting rights. Oh 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.720 we're past racism. And what did those motherfuckers do before 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.760 the ink was even dried on the opinion. They went 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.720 ahead and started jerryman during districts and started a pressing 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:23.920 votes and started throwing out registrants. So here comes to 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.960 Supreme Court once again for the final death blow to 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.560 the Voting Rights Act. So you get rid of affirmative action, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.640 you've gotten rid of abortion, you overturned same sex marriage, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:42.559 and you finally got voting rights. Really, there's nothing left 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:51.840 standing except to initiate a new Jim Crow. Right. You 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.400 make it so that black and brown people are forced 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.760 into one cast system, so that you create a permanent underclass. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.280 You give them no legal recourse to have even their 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.280 basic needs met, meaning that you know, if they're working 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.200 in factories, say like Amazon, you know that they can 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.960 pee in an actual functioning toilet and breathe in air 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:23.800 that is actually fresh, and have medical insurance right and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:29.120 have unions. But no Republicans will make sure that you 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.240 have none of that, and that you are in such 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.400 a desperate place in your life that you'll just take 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.960 what is given to you. This is how authoritarianism and 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:44.920 fascism works. And then when the people are so desperate, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.440 when they have no choice, no options, what do you 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:55.960 think happens next, I'll tell you violence. This country is 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.960 going the way of Iran, way faster than it took 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:07.319 Iran to eradicate women's rights over forty years. We are 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.040 moving in the absolute wrong direction. And the question that 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:11.920 I will ask again is the one that I ask 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.760 at the top, is that when the people who are 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.640 making the laws or they themselves corrupt, is it our 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:24.280 responsibility as citizens to continue to follow those laws or 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.600 is it a requirement of us to wake the fuck 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.880 up and realize that something got to give and it 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:36.319 ain't going to be my back. These are the questions 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.840 that we need to start asking ourselves and each other, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.120 Our friends and our family are colleagues, because time, dear friends, 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:49.000 is actually running the fuck out. And I'm not just 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.840 talking about midterms. I'm talking about the sun setting on 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.760 America's democracy. Because when we take into consideration what happened 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.880 in Italy with Georgia Malone, When we take into consideration 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.679 what just happened in Brazil with Bulsonado, When we take 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:13.240 into consideration what has already happened in Hungary with Orbon 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.120 and all of these other nations. What's going on in Sweden, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.320 What is happening in the United States, what almost happened 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:27.240 in France but didn't. But Lepine, they're far right candidate, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:34.520 She continues to raise her popularity. There is a reordering 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.920 of the world right now, and it is behind dictators 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:42.319 and authoritarianism, and without a strong democracy, without a strong 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:50.840 United States, how do you think that this goes? Once 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.240 they subdue the masses, then there will be a major 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.680 paragrab that will end up in, yes, a world war. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.520 I am not chicken little, and I do not claim 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.760 to be a soothsayer, but I'm pretty sure I can 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.840 read the signs, and I'm pretty sure I'm a good 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:15.560 student of history. When I say we are running out 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.360 of time, this is exactly exactly what I'm talking about. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.640 For far too long, the people of this country have 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:28.840 been asleep. Some have been purposefully ignorant, meaning, oh, I 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.760 don't like politics, I don't talk politics. Oh I hate you, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:37.800 I don't even vote. You know those people, right, any 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.800 of other people that say I'm too busy, I got 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.680 too much going on, then you got those people. Many 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.920 of the few that are activated, well, it is up 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.280 to us, the few who are activated and engage on 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.440 a regular basis, to do our best not to bereade, 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.680 but to connect the dots for people who do not 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.600 see themselves in the crises that are unfolding. So, whether 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.720 it is family that you may have in Florida that 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.600 is not connecting the dots with the fact that what 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.480 has happened with Hurricane Ian isn't a quote unquote natural disaster, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.120 but one that packed a greater punch because of climate change. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 But you keep voting from motherfuckers that aren't don't even 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.960 vote for you to get the funding that you need 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:28.880 to rebuild. Come on, come on, help them connect the dots. Right, Oh, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.320 you got hurricane insurance, but guess what you didn't get 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.720 flood insurance. And guess what is the cause of most 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.440 of the damage that has taken place in Florida. Flooding 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.000 intense rain. So when these people turn around, and I'm 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.040 not talking about the fucking millionaires that got their second, third, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.160 or fourth homes in Coral Gables, I'm talking about the 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.040 everyday American or the poorer American that was living in 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.480 an RV or a motor home and that's all they got. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.400 They ain't getting the money to turn around and rebuild 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.480 because insurre it's going to turn around and say, oh no, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.160 that wasn't hurricane. It wasn't the winds that caused that. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:11.480 It was the water. You don't have flood insurance. We 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.360 got to wake people up. Yelling at people does not 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.840 always activate them. But I'm telling you that finding ways 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.480 to connect with people on a very human level and 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.480 just bring to them, bring to them the tapestry, the 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.240 narrative that is going on right now. That is why 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.840 I am bringing you and so happy that I had 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.880 our friend A nat Schenker A Saudio on woke F 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.000 Part one you heard yesterday Part two you were going 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.200 to hear right now on the importance of messaging, on 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.360 the importance of understanding the psychology behind the people that 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:52.760 you are speaking too. There are some that are activated 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.520 by rage. I am that some. There are others that 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:04.000 need different tactics in order to activate them. So coming 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.400 up next part two of my conversation with A. 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How are we doing though, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.800 and by we I mean the democratic establishment in terms 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.320 of making that distinction, Because again I've said this to 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:31.920 you before. When you paint it, it's as clear as day. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:37.080 When I listened to other Democrats, particularly talking heads on 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:42.359 cable news. It's as clear as mud. Right, they can't 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.560 articulate like and this is what I have often said. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:51.600 They the radical right co opted the word freedom right, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.560 and and their idea of freedom is wrapped in their 0:17:55.560 --> 0:18:00.320 ability to abuse and oppress. And we've allowed them to 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:04.040 continue with that narrative. I mean, they storm the Capitol 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:10.040 Building on January six under the guys a freedom, Danielle. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.960 They've taken freedom, the word, the concept, the notion. They've 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:19.000 taken family remember family values. Yes, they've taken life from us. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:24.760 And all along Democrats, I'm just gonna get very candid, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:33.080 have heated exceptionally stupid advice that fails every time. Under Clinton, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.359 it was called quote triangulation. When Trump came to ascend, 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.000 and see Mark Lilla wrote the op ed that became, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.280 you know, the think piece that is now a genre 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.240 which is white man finger wagging at people that how 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.920 dare you mentioned race because that is the reason why 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.240 we're gonna lose, which is just such utter nonsense, And honestly, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.560 how dare you to what is now this notion that 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.800 the only way to win is to talk about popular things? Well, 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.280 let me tell you about popular things. What's happening right 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.240 now in all testing, and it is, it is permeating, 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.680 it is penetrating both this freedom idea. And I can 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.639 hold up examples Gavin Knewsom trolling to Santis with the 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.600 freedom ads released on fourth of July. Absolutely all very intentional. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.640 Pat Ryan winning his special election in New York. Freedom's, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.680 freedom's freedoms, freedom's freedoms, freedoms. The Kansas referendum intentionally called 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:39.680 the ballot initiative constitutional freedom. So they are I mean, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.960 maybe this is just me needing to believe that, like 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.600 my work is not in vain, and yeah, I got 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.360 to believe somebody like, Okay, so this is my own 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.640 magical realism because otherwise, you know, I just can't function. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.359 They are doing it. They are doing a better job 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.240 of drawing the contrast. They are doing a better job. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.320 I mean the Joe Biden speech that you mentioned earlier 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:08.440 was part of that, and that was all very very intentional. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.199 And let me tell you what else. The airing of 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:18.040 the January sixth Committee. I just really want to be clear. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:25.119 March April, when we looked at pulling January six voters 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.440 were like, I don't care about that. I care about money, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.880 I care about economics, I care about jobs, Like, why 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.760 are you talking about that? You're wasting time. And there 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.199 were folks in the Democratic establishment who understandably were like, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.280 we shouldn't do this, We shouldn't have hearings, we shouldn't 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.639 you know this. Voters will feel like we're wasting time, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.440 we're you know, not focused on the right things, etcetera, etcetera. 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.960 But if you actually understand persuasion, you know that the 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.320 job of a good message isn't to say what's popular. 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.600 The job of a good message is to make popular 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:59.040 what we need said. And because we knew that we 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.239 would lose, we will lose this election. If it is 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.520 a referendum on the incumbent party, we will lose it. 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.400 The only way to win it is to make clear 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:14.879 is to reactivate the energy, the fuck you energy that 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.600 we had in eighteen twenty, to use the technical terminology. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.239 And so what that means is that we need to 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:28.240 retap that vein. And the purpose of having these hearings, 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.240 besides the fact that some things are just wrong and 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.560 some things are just right, and certain things you do 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.960 because they are the correct thing to do. If you're 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.680 a leader, you need to go first. That is literally 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.440 what leadership means. And so it is the right thing 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.440 to do to hold these hearings. And in addition to that, 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:49.600 what we see is that this being continuously in the 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.520 media and the DABS decision, really, the DABS decision have 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:58.800 changed people's mental calculus. It's not a good idea to 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.520 reason off of anecdote evidence. But let me just share 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:08.919 with you some examples of focus group green Bay swing 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.600 voters white, like not even green Bay proper, but like 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.800 outside twenty minutes of carping, I hate Democrats. Uh, my 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.280 gas tank prices, the Democrats taxes bla bla blah blah 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.720 blah blah blah blah blah. And then this man, white man, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.880 burly guy looks like the Boxer refrigerator comes in, sort 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.399 of your classic like with Northern Wisconsin, with person says, 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.040 you know, my wife and I we had a he 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.240 called it a pregnancy incident. He didn't explain more, but 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.480 clearly he was very upset, and he said, and I 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.760 will be damned if there's going to be a politician 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.960 that's going to come into my bedroom where I am 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:53.600 consoling my wife and tell us what we can and 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:58.560 cannot do. You know what, I prices go up and 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.640 prices go down, but if they take our freedoms, that's forever. 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.800 Woman in Texas, same thing Democrats blah blah blah, she says. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.040 After the prices, the money, the inflation. She says. You know, 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.040 at the end of the day, I can learn to 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.320 live in a budget. What I cannot learn to do 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:22.520 is not get raped. People come on, are turning, and 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.080 I realize I've said so many things, but this is 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:32.119 what is so frustrating. Reproductive rights, health and justice advocates 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:35.480 have been saying for a million years, talk about abortion, 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.120 talk about women's rights, talk about our freedom, talk about 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:42.159 talk about these issues, and Democrats have been scared to 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.040 even utter the A word right in twenty eighteen. There 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.040 was barely any ads about abortion in twenty twenty, despite 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.920 the fact that the year before twenty nineteen, twenty five 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:55.040 states passed abortion bands. Still twenty twenty, you know, like, 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:56.879 we're not gonna talk about abortion. That's not where we're 0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:00.399 going to go. Suddenly everyone has their head out of 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.680 their asset and are like, oh, it's Rovember. Obviously, abortion 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:08.119 ads are testing off the charts, and so had we 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.560 been actually fighting all along. If you want people to 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.719 come to your cause, you have to be attractive, and 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.480 that means that you actually have to stand for something, 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.639 and it also means you're going to repel some people. 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:26.159 So I think we are getting it. I am cautiously 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.960 optimistic that optimism doesn't come from sort of a fake 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:36.000 place of hope. It comes from determination, like I've been, yeah, 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.479 like we have no choice, we have to do this 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.800 last question for you are not because I mean honestly, 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.560 I genuinely could speak to you all day because I 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.879 think that what is really important and I said, I 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.720 said this a couple of shows ago is really understanding 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:57.440 this psychology behind the decisions that people make. And that's 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.840 what you do with the focus group and listening to 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:05.280 people is understanding what motivates them, what drives them. Like 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:08.760 you said, you know, I think about my own you know, 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:14.800 life and work through politics, and you know, I remember 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.439 being I think I was like eight or nine and 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:22.159 I asked my parents what political affiliation we were, and 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.760 you know, and at the time it was just like, well, Danielle, 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:30.320 what do you think? And I said d because Danielle 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.199 and I think we're democrats, right, Like I'm I was 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:37.520 like eight, so that seemed logical. But then you know, 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:43.600 my parents explained to me, you know why we were democrats, right, 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.720 your child of immigrants. We came to this country to 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.959 make a better life, and they explain the process. And 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:55.920 so for me, why am I a Democrat? Because of that, 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.760 those foundations that my family had instilled, but then also 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.080 how it was tested, you know, over time, Like you said, 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.880 people they are defined by their families. It doesn't mean 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.639 that they can't change, but they're defined by it. So 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:17.159 if we're not understanding the psychology of what moves people, 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.200 and I would you know, frankly, I would have written 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.840 off the guy from Wisconsin like you said, you know, 0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:25.800 blah blah blah. I guess this then the other thing 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.919 until he said I'll be damned, right, I would have 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:33.080 assumed that those were his people, that the anti abortion, 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.679 you know, pro life, that those were his people, because 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.680 I'm like, you know, what was interesting is that gay 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.600 people said I'll be damned if you tell me what 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.320 the fuck I can do inside of my own bedroom. 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.520 You know, that was the Lawrence case out of Texas, right, 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.199 So you know the question for you is how do 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:58.480 we continue to really try And I don't mean understand 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.520 in the way that I'm trying to understand white supremacis 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.639 and why they became white supremacist, because I don't care, 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:11.360 But how do we understand you know, white Americans in particular, 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:15.840 who every political party puts all of their eggs in 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:22.320 their basket. But like you're saying, this abortion overturning abortion 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.560 in this country has opened up people's eyes to the 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.320 fact that for the first time, the Supreme Court is 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:32.800 taking away rights as opposed to granting them. So how 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.840 do we use Is it fear? I guess it's a 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.000 question that I'm asking, Like, is fear the motivator the 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.640