WEBVTT - Brooke Shields 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.320 Get nasty and touch your body, get nasty and tell 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:13.280 your friend hands get nasty, but don't tell you mama. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:31.920 Rom Burgundy is one Batman Romberguny podcast. Oh yes, Oh 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.280 I wake up to that song every morning and it 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.959 really gives me a jolt. Hello. This is Ron Burgundy 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.559 and welcome once again to the Ron Burgundy Podcast. Carolina. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.200 How are you doing today? I'm good? Thanks for asking? 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:50.640 Are you're just good or great? I'm good? Why not great? 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.840 Because I'm great? Guess what I did yesterday? I don't 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.000 know what did you do? I got my back waxed. Now, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.760 what would you say it to bookled? Waxing would cost 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.160 I mean you should know, right, I don't being a 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.360 lady at all. Okay, well, I guess if you go 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.280 to a decent spot, it will cost you anywhere. I'm 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:18.959 guessing bingo. I got my waxing done for four dollars, 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.920 my entire back for four measly bucks. Okay, Oh you 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.840 know what that makes sense? Um? Because you're bleeding a 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.720 little bit through the back of your shirt. That means 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.959 it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.040 If you say I know so, run is how long 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.320 has it been bleeding? It's been bleeding all night long. Okay, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.400 you shouldn't go cheap on waxing. I had to throw 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.760 my sheets out my bed. Oh my god. Yeah, but listen, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.360 don't lecture me on my body. It's my body, I know. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.600 But if you can afford a healthier and safe waxing 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.080 salon for your information, this wasn't a salon. It was 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:59.400 an auto collision repair shop slash bird breeder. So they're 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:04.520 now where was I? All right? One of the great 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.720 things about this podcast, which sets it apart from three 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.400 or four other podcasts out there, On this show, it's 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.840 a chance for two American icons to chat one on 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.800 one with each other, candidly American. No hold on, I'm 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.480 not done. To call my next guest in American Icon 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.520 would actually be an understatement. She began her show business 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.080 career when she was only eleven months old as a 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.920 model for Ivory Soap. Can you imagine that eleven months old? 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:39.280 It's incredible. This blatant disregard for child labor laws catapulted 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.360 her and to start him. At twelve, she starred in 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.079 the breakout film Pretty Baby, directed by Lewis Malley, it's 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.680 actually Louis mal You're mispronouncing it, are you sure? Oh? 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.360 Because look at this that reads If you look there, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.960 that reads Louis Malley. To me, how would you pronounce this? 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.440 I'm actually I'm pretty sure it's Gluie maw He's an 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.840 acclaimed French filmmaker. Actually is he? Well, did he direct 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.040 any of the Cannonball Run movies? No, but I can 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.800 fact check that. See if Lewis malle directed any Cannonball 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.720 Run movies? Can you do that? Caroline? Okay, I'm in 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.560 the middle of my guest introduction. It's supposed to be 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.359 a big build up to a discussion between two American icons, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.600 and you've you've really disrupted the flow. So can I 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.840 finish this? Go ahead? Okay. She was the youngest fashion 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.280 model to ever appear on the cover of Voge, a 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.800 regular at famed New York discotheque Studio fifty four, and then, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.960 for some crazy reason, she decided to leave all that 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.120 fun and excitement of modeling and starring in movies to 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:48.560 attend Princeton University. Wow, is this a typo? Is this really? Okay? 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.360 This is not a move I would have made. No way. Well, 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:54.520 we'll have to talk about that anyway. She's an absolute legend, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.760 you know her from everything from the Blue Lagoon to 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.800 Suddenly Susan. It is my extreme emnor to Welcome to 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:07.160 the Ron Burgundy Podcast, the iconic Brookshields. But first let's 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:22.480 take a commercial break and we are back Ron Burgundy Podcast. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.480 As I mentioned before, what an exciting episode we are 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:31.239 with an icon Brookshields. Brooke, how are you today? Thanks 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.960 for joining us. Oh, I'm fine. Thank you so much 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.440 for inviting me. Brooke. I'm sorry if you hold on 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.240 for a second, I need to do a live commercial read. Um. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.279 I know you you just got on the phone, but 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.760 I just have to kind of take care of business here. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.720 Squatty potty. It's that little stool you put in your 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.640 bathroom to make sure you're using the toilet correctly when 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.520 you're doing a number two. Okay, you know, Caroline, I 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.320 don't want to have to read this ad right now, 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.760 not with brook Shields online. Can we can we just 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.960 do this later? Absolutely could have read it. Leader. That 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.000 was the decision you just made on your own. What's 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.280 done is done? Uh, Brookshields. Let me just ask you 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.960 this about your name, Brooke. Is it short for Brookline, Massachusetts. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:18.159 It's actually not, but um my, mom, uh. She liked 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:24.040 a photograph and the photographer was named Christian Brooks, I think, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.640 and so she liked the name brook and she So 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.520 you're not let's put this to rest. You're not from Brookline, Massachusetts. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.120 I'm not. I'm from where were you born? Born and 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.560 raised in Manhattan? Oh? Okay, well, then who am I thinking? 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:43.360 Was born in Brookline, Massachusetts. That's an American icon. Oh, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.360 I you know who I'm thinking of. It's it's Michael Dukakus. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.080 Never mind. Oh you know I went to school with 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.520 Andrea his daughter. Oh my gosh, were you so nervous 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.279 around Andrew all the time because her father was Michael 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.440 Dukakis an American icon? You know what? She's really really 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:07.560 bright and so her I'm sure. I'm sure. I As 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.479 a point, I try to not hang out with people 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.279 who are smarter than me because I get sweaty palms 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:19.760 and it can be intimidating. It's formidable, it's more formidable. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.240 It's a good word. If you use that word with 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.640 smart people, I think, well, thank you, see Carolina, I 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.520 am Brooke thinks I'm smart. Ron wrote formidable down the 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.320 pad and it's been waiting to use it all day. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.000 Good it's the word a day. Maybe you should do 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.320 a word every day. I wrote formidable, and then right 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.200 next the word I'm going to use tomorrow is coxyx, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:44.279 which is the medical term for your tailbone. That would 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.440 be more appropriate for the potty day. That's true, Brooke. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.240 You've had such an impressive career and you truly are 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.320 an American. I kond of and it feels like it's 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.799 impossible that we'll have time to cover everything. So forgive 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.480 me if I ask you about some of the things 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.800 you've talked about a zillion times before. Okay, I think 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.919 people will kill me if I am interviewing Brookshields and 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.800 I didn't ask you about the big stuff. So let's 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.920 get right into it, all right. Tell me about your 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.560 two thousand thirteen guest appearance on the ABC sitcom Super 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:23.200 Fun Night. Uh, well, I'm sure that's the first thing 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.280 people come up to you and they say, Super Fun Night. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.520 I can't go through a week without being It's become 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:35.160 a cult, Broke. I want to talk about modeling. Um. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.840 I think there's a huge misconception that you know modeling 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:42.280 is easy but I know from experience it's actually very 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.240 hard work. And you started so young. Do you remember 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.680 your first big modeling gig where you really felt like, WHOA, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:56.120 I am a model? Um? I remember getting a cover 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:03.360 try Yes seventeen magazine and that I was so excited 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.120 about it and I didn't get it and it was crushing. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.119 It was crushing to me. And within the next year 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.000 or so, I then finally got the cover and I 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:21.200 remember thinking, I'm a I'm the real deal. I've been 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.320 doing catalogs. It was my first sort of major you 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.240 were part of the club, you were you would invited 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.400 to the party. I'll tell you the first time I 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.680 felt like a model of And of course I've been. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.000 I've been doing some male modeling over the years, but 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.240 the first big one for me had to be in 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.839 nineteen and I did a print campaign for Virginia Slims 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.480 the cigarettes. Yes, and I'm sure you're wondering, excuse me, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.480 Ron Burgundy. It was in an advertisement for Ladies cigarettes. Yes, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.319 I was, but you were ahead of your time and 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.800 was ahead of my time. I love the product too. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.520 They were sexy, definitely as a sexy approach, so it 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.560 seems very appropriate you know what, I really appreciate that 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.560 because I used to walk around and smoke, you know, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.719 the small, thin, little Virginia slims, and people would give 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.680 me a lot of flak. But I don't necessarily need 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.000 or needed back then a full cigarette. And clearly comfortable 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.760 in your masculinity. Well that's that's exactly right, and thank 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.240 you for for recognizing that. And I also, I mean, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.960 I felt a responsibility to do it as a journalist. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.240 So I ask you, Brooke, are you comfortable with your femininity? Femininity? 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:37.480 How do you say it? You got femininity? I have 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:44.960 become much more so since since having children. Actually, prior 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:51.680 to kids, I think just anything. Femininity was also synonymous 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.360 with um beauty to me, and for a long time 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.640 I sort of didn't want to pay attention to the physical, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:05.440 to anything external, anything sort of and part of being 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.080 feminine was an external sort of expression of all that. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.880 And it wasn't until I mean really until I got 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:18.760 pregnant and I started feeling that sense of female I 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.720 don't know, power, and then the femininity sort of grew 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.280 out of that because I used to think, oh, I 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.400 had to be the strong, tough one, so I was 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.560 always you know, the femininity was always also synonymous with 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.920 frail and petite and dainty and waif like. And I've 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.079 never been those things, wearing white lace gloves and carrying 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.040 a parasol out in the summertime. Absolutely, And so that 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.640 was it took me a while to sort of appreciate 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.079 how badass femininity can be. You're not going to get 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.640 an argument from me. I mean, you know, some say 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:59.720 that I exude toxic amounts of masculinity, but I also 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.760 have a feminine side, and I think every man does 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.720 and they shouldn't be afraid to embrace it. Do you agree? 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.199 I totally agree. In fact, I think it just highlights 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.920 the masculinity in the right way. I think when they 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.160 work in conjunction with each other, I think that's the sexiest. Wow. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.840 I've started wearing lipstick once a week just to try 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.560 it out. You carry yourself then, totally totally do you 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:33.720 stand a little taller? Um doing a seat on the 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.080 city bus? Sorry? Go ahead, it chose a different side 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.000 to people. Sorry interrupted you? Um, no, no, I try 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:45.600 not to do that again, please, I won't. Okay, I'm 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.840 doing a show called a pilot. We're doing a pilot 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.560 called glamorous, and it's all about the makeup world, and 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.240 it's all about what we were talking about, this sort 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.120 of masculine feminine and this celebration and kind of embracing it, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.480 and it's so refreshing. So this is full circle. This 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.560 is full circle here. Yep, we have to we have 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.199 to talk about your classic Calvin Klein Jenes commercials. I mean, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.839 they are, let's face it, they are part of American 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:20.760 pop cultural history. And I mean, how how many years 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.560 later and we're still talking about them specifically because I'm 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.280 bringing them up. And but you said, and I quote 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.880 unless you want to say it. Um, you said, you 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.439 want to know what comes between me and my Calvin's. 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.840 And then you took a pause and said nothing. And 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.000 my question is what did you mean by that? Well, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.400 first of all, you are one of the first people 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:48.080 to properly quote it. What do people usually says? They 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:52.120 have always said, nothing comes between me and my Calvin's. Now, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.880 I'm sure I was probably really naive at that age anyway, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.599 But the idea of the whole series of commercials was 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:04.360 that each sentence, each saying, had a double meaning to it. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.559 So there was this hoop lab about it. And they 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.960 pulled the commercial because they said it meant I wasn't 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.960 wearing any underwear or they started playing with the spelling 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.520 get out of the gutter. Yeah, so it was. I 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.040 thought it was pathetic. And yet the controversy surrounding it 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.840 and the novelty of their approach and advertising is why 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.760 when the new UM creative director, Raf Simmons, who's now left, 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.679 but when he came on, he brought back the image 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.200 that was used in the in those ads because it 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.360 became like this pop pop icon e Like you said, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.199 the iconography of it was brought sort of into the 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.960 hip hop world. Yeah, I have a I have a 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.960 T shirt with your image on it. It's kind of cool. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 I mean I had to buy mine. I had to buy. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.440 I had to It wasn't cheap. I was like, can't 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.480 you guys give you went? Wow, you had to buy 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:06.080 your own T shirt of yourself? Mm hmm. How much 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:12.440 was it one twenty or something like that? Definitely that's 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.200 a rip, right, you know that nothing's free. Well, you 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.840 just can't ever wear it or wash it. I know. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.840 I'm afraid. What did anyone ever try to steal your 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.240 Calvin Klein jeans? No? Um, but I've just found the 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:32.400 original pears. I had three of them. My mom kept everything, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.200 and I recently was going through a warehouse of stuff, literally, 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:44.600 and she had this whole Calvin. I've kept every single 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:50.320 mustache comb I've ever owned, just in case or some 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.480 of them really pretty like that might be really pretty. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.520 Some of them are bejeweled, some of them are Sadly, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.120 I have to admit some. A lot of them are 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:03.280 made of ivory. I've contributed to the ivory ivory trade. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.400 That's not Maybe it wasn't endangered. Then maybe it wasn't. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.040 Let's just say that. And let's just say I didn't 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.200 go hunt elephants too so that I could get the 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.840 tusks to make my own mustache comb. No, let's say 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.640 that didn't happen, because it didn't say it didn't. And 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.320 if I was in a court of law, let's get 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.560 off this topic. Um. You know one time I had 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.880 a pair of jeans stolen from me and they weren't Calvin's. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:35.120 They were Lee Jeans, also a good brand. Levi's lead 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.480 the Wrangler. Those are the originals. Yeah, I had an 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.480 incident with a rottweiler tried to steal jeans from me. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.680 Were they on you? They were on my person? Yes? 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.720 Where was this? This was at the Pasadenas Rose Bowl 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:59.400 swap meat in the Rottweiler section. Ah did he he? 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.680 Or she? Doesn't matter? Yeah, I don't know. It was 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.600 a he. There was a big old set of balls 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:08.600 on that one. He was super charged with testosterone sensing 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.080 masculine yep. And we had a show down. I you 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.240 know what, I started the fight. This is so much 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.080 about the toxic masculine anywhere. Just so I went to 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.640 the rott Wilder section of the Rose Bowl swap meat, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.240 and I just said, who wants a piece of me? 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.240 I just was feeling a bit randy that day. Rott 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:33.320 Wilder is an explosive, vicious animal. Beautiful, Yes, And you know, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.960 while the rottwater was pinning me down and ripping my 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:42.560 lee jeans to shreds, I remember thinking I stopped screaming 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.800 and remember thinking this is a gorgeous animal, the power 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.160 of the beauty, the majesty, and all went slow. Yeah, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.520 it all went slow. It's that fight or flight and 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.720 exactly everything slowed down. Brook. Let me ask you this, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.040 Let me let me I'm gonna radically change subjects here 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.400 or maybe not so because you probably wore your your 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.240 Calvin clients to this place. Do you have any great 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:10.080 memories of Studio fifty four. I have the best memories 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.080 from Studio fifty Um. I first went there with Steve 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:21.440 Ruebel and Calvin Klein. Actually that guy didn't like me. Yeah, 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.080 you never let me in. No, was he manning the door? Yeah, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.919 he was manning the door. He said, Ron Burgundy, I 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.720 don't like you. I will never let you in my nightclub. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:36.040 Oh he's probably just jealous. Obviously that never happened to you. No, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:42.159 And I never got subjected to the picking process. And 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.760 I also always went really early. My mom would let 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.520 me go, but we would have to I'd have to 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.480 go home because I had school the next It wasn't 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.120 like an early bird special. Yeah, but I really all 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.520 I wanted to do was dance. Would you get there? What? PM? No, 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.040 they didn't open the doors until later, so it was 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.040 like eight. Like if there was an event, I could 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.800 get there right on time and then dance a few hours. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.480 I would just go directly to the dance floor and 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.480 and then I'd gone home. I mean I And the 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.840 interesting thing was I was never offered any drugs. I was. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:25.200 It was almost as if they were all on protection 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.040 duty or something from me, Like I was like the mascot. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.280 I was sort of offs for you. They were. I 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.320 mean it was it was the late seventies, early eighties, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.760 and it was crazy, but I felt I was protected. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.320 And you know, it's interesting. There's a room that they 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.239 call the it's on the fourth floor, and yeah, I 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.560 think it was. It was some druggy room or some 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.480 layer of some kind. And I never obviously never went 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:57.199 past the dance floor. And then when I did Cabaret 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.879 on Broadway, we did it at Studio fifty four, and 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.880 my dressing room was that actual room on the floor 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:09.680 in that room, and it was haunted. Haunted, No, no, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.600 And it wasn't haunted, but it was. It actually had 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.399 a good energy to it. You hung out, run, you 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.600 had a club in New York though that you frequented. Well, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.000 I would go to the you know, like I said, 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.440 I couldn't get into Studio fifty four, so I went 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.399 to a place called Studio fifty two and it was 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.800 a couple of blocks down, and you know, it wasn't 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:31.639 the same crowd. I mean, I hung out with like 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.080 Ed Cotch and a couple of the couple of guys 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.840 from shan on a. You know it was all right, Um, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.680 you didn't have to get there early because it was 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.760 never full. He liked dancing. Ed Ed could really cut 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.240 a rug. He loved it. But I gotta be honest, 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.240 My pride was hurt that I never got in. And 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.000 this happened to me right in front of Grace Jones 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.320 and she laughed at me. But and I've never told 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.800 this story. But I got back at the studio fifty 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.720 four people. I called some buddies in the I R S. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.159 And I just made up a bunch of wild stories 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.520 and I told them, you know what, go They've got 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.280 cash hidden in the ceiling and a safe, you know, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.520 filled with like three hundred ludes in it. And I just, 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.560 you know, I made up a bunch of crazy lives 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.240 and a reason for the demise. Well, and then it 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.960 turned out to actually be true. So how did you 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:27.679 even know? I don't know. I don't It was just 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.800 a wild swing and I happened to be I happen 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.280 to be so right, And I don't know. I've mixed 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:38.440 emotions about that. No, I probably shouldn't have told that story. Well, no, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.720 I won't. I mean, it's what's done. It's done. But 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.119 it also you know, you sort of go like, oh 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.320 my god, that was an institution and you brought it down. 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.919 I brought it down. I did, ye, which you know 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.439 it was the right thing. I mean, were you know 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.760 it was going to run its course eventually, but I 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.359 brought it down prematurely. Pery could had another thirty years. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.639 But maybe that was good. Maybe it's like it's like, 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.960 you know, when these people die really early, they get 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.840 to thank you because I've had some sleepless nights over 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.960 my behavior. But now you're you're easing my conscience. Yeah. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.040 I never am not good with regret. Yeah, I don't 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.160 have time for regret. I'm just like Mary J. Blige, 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.320 No drama, right y, that's what you always say. So 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.320 you're at the height of your celebrity, You're on magazine covers, 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.480 you're starring in movies, and and then you went to college. 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:37.159 Why because I had always wanted to go and it 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.640 was a good It was a good school. To Princeton. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.119 That's like a really hard school. It's a very hard 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:48.160 So you do all that work, you're already rich, and famous, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.600 which you know, which I think we all know fulfills 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.520 absolutely everything in a person's life. What what was missing 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.760 for Brookshields that you would make such a crazy decision 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.520 to attend college with more boring people like I just 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:07.240 can't imagine it. Um, I think I had the the 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.480 vision and the sort of foresight to know. Now, maybe 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.199 because I had been working for so many decades by 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:18.280 that point, there's a sense of it wasn't something I 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.840 was striving for, something I had done all my life, 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.359 so it was a lot as much I just assumed 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:28.360 I would always continue it, but I also knew the 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.600 way the industry breaks you down, the way it tries 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.879 to attack you for everything. And now, I mean, I 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.800 don't even think I could handle it if now with 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:44.160 social media. But the idea of attaining something that could 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.159 not be taken away from you and was arguably threatening 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:53.600 to people was really exciting to me. And four years 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:59.600 of just being in one environment and this beautiful setting, 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.879 I mean, I had it. There was a dream quality 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.399 to it for me. You know, I wanted I wanted 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.399 to go to a old IVY League college, the IVY 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.639 on the walls and you know, football games and so 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.840 there was definitely in the heart of Texas, right Ivy, 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:22.480 mostly in the southwest, is that correct? Actually Swiss? Yeah, 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:28.160 this was in Princess in Baltimore, Jersey, New Jersey. Yeah. 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:32.080 I noticed though my first UM press conference after I 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.760 had been at school for a semester. They didn't like 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:41.640 me having more articulate answers. Oh, very threatened. They were threatened. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:46.040 They sort of wanted little Brook again, and they wanted 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.240 to catch me in things. And it was it was 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.879 fun to sort of play around with them in a way, 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.159 A very empowering time for you, Sanctuary, it was, and 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:00.920 it was fun. Do you have I want to say? 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.760 And this is a serious question when someone's big, Well, 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.240 my questions have been serious, I know, but I'm yeah, 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.720 of course, I just um no. But just when you 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:14.000 phrase it like that, it makes like I stayed up 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.560 all night to do this research. Anyway, go ahead, Carolina, Okay. 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.600 Do you ever want to say to someone when they're 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.720 being they're undermining you, or just do you ever want 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:30.520 to just say you, I went to Princeton. Um, you 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.800 didn't go to school, But I would say that if 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:38.240 she went to a real hole. Sarah Lawrence, So, Sarah 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.160 Lawrence is not. Oh okay, well I'm not hearing good 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.880 things lately. No, it's a very very good school. Sorry, 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.680 go ahead, broke, go ahead. Um No. You know what's 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:53.960 even better is just thinking that and then not reducing 0:24:53.960 --> 0:25:00.000 yourself to their level. You're so much more emotionally mature, 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.320 and I am, because I would just I would hammer 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.080 people with that as soon as I walked into the door. Overtly. 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.639 I won't ever throw it in someone's face because I 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:15.160 think by doing that you've weakened your position, because you've 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.080 gotten petty. But you could always wear a jacket and 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:19.919 then if they're being rude, un zip it and you 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.680 have a Princeton shirt under yes, right, or like scratch 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.560 your scratch society of your face, but have your class 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.800 ring showing a lot, have the fight song queued up 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.040