1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: To hear past episodes of the Rap Rate Our podcast. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 1: What they gotta do be that I gotta signed it 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: for title at title dot com back slash on their Yeah, 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: that'll get your ninety day complimentary membership access to fifty 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: million tracks and two hundred videos. Title dot Com on air. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah rapp right up podcast. Elliot Wilson beat out, what's 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: up baby? Feeling fantastic? I know why you're feeling fantastic 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: because it's onnous guests we have here. He doesn't do 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: too many interview super exclusively. You know, Tory Lanes didn't 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: have no time to check us to this press run. 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: He left left his hanging. But this is a great consolation, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: not even a consolation. But I was just thinking too. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: I was thinking it was Tory Lane supposed to be 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: on the podcast that he couldn't make it, say, canceled 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: on this. I was like, damn, no one's canceled on 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: us during the whole title era of the podcast. And 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I forgot about d Rock. D Rock canceled on this. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: We're trying to launch you with the Rock, and then 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: I tried to run up on the Rock and I 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: forgot what a big guy is and that wasn't good. Um, 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: I think was at a concert. It was at Jake's 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: concert concert coming out the whole rise here there he 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: is the only man that canceled on me like I 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: have me feeling bad and ran into him in l 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: A at Calli's party. Yeah, yeah, that was like y'all 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: got to man, So everybody will know this big he's 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: right hand man, man, the great d rock man. Beyond that, 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, he wants to get the period where you 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: was executive producing Little Kim albums, Little Sees albums, Like 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, your hand in this business has been you know, 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: we see what you see you with Puff for like 32 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: twenty years, everything that you do, man, So it's an 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: honor to have you on the podcast. Man, I definitely 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And the main thing is Invisible Bully, right, 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: like I've seen you now it's like it's going from 36 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: a clothing line to now you back in the music 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: scene too. Trying to Visible Bully was just really just 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: a platform for everything. So you know, but yeah, I'm trying. 39 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do what I'll do. Man, we'll explain 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: in Visible Bully that was was that also was an 41 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: idea early on right, Yeah, Well, Invisible Bully was like 42 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: actually it was just like a little saying that we 43 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: used to do, like like we're big eno us and 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that. We used to call each other visible bullies, 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: sort of like the underdog looking on. I mean like 46 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: invisibly represents like an underdog situation and just you know 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: for the fight. You know, just a fight for you 48 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: know things. Yeah, you know, just like fighting and we 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: had to fight for everything. So, you know, we came 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: about it. I think it was maybe two thousand and ten, 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: around the time I got out of the can. And then, um, 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: they were doing something Puffs coming to Brooklyn to the lab. 53 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: Like I don't think he that never like performed or 54 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: hosts anything in Brooklyn. So we was doing it for 55 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: an anniversary on Fulton Street. Yeah, so yeah, so that's 56 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: what we did. Actually, Like I said, I was just 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: pressing up a couple of T shirts for them and 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: stuff like that, just to give out in the date. 59 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: And then um, after that night, I was, um, I 60 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: went to Puss and then he was like yo, a 61 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: lot of people calling me asking me for them shirts 62 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: and I was ready over and like I was like 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: what shirts, Like you know what shirts? You're talking about. 64 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: He was like the drinks we gave out at the party. 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, it's like, need you 66 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: to get that trademarks. I was like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 67 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: So like another week went by and he was like, 68 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: did you do that? Did you do that? So he 69 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: kind of like you know what I'm saying, and I 70 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: was like did That's That's how it happened. But then 71 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: you also took it on the road during the Bad 72 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: Boy Anniversary tour doing a lot of pop up Yeah, 73 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: that too started off as just, uh, the two nights 74 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: at the Barkley we had did like a little pop 75 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: up shot. It went well, and then um, we decided 76 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to do set off the tour and do it, and 77 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: then we just it happened like we just kept doing them, 78 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: like we did the show, pop up shop for every date, 79 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: you know. I mean it was a lot of work, 80 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: but it was birthday. It was fun. Actually, Yeah, So 81 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: what wasn't even something you inspired to do it? Not 82 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: at all? Yeah, I'm like the least fashion fashion person. 83 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Closets dull, but get it into the black brown, but 84 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: get it into the fashion gif. What did you learn? 85 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Were there any like trial in arrow moments. Um, what 86 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: I did, what I learned is really such thing as 87 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: a good tea, Like you gotta have a good argue 88 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: my wife about this back and every it's hard to 89 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: good tea and fonts and uh inches from the neck 90 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: all that stuff like you know, I mean, I don't. 91 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't really get it to that, to that that 92 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: part of it. But it's it's it's harder than what 93 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: people thinking it might look easy because we make it 94 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: look easy. It's a lot of work to that stuff. 95 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: But also so that you guys were in Macy's two 96 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: at one time, right, yep, we did the Macy's um 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: because we had the bad Boy merch so we did 98 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: like to know the bad Boy jerseys, the Biggie, the 99 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: yellow one from the video. And um, we had ourline 100 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: in there too. So you know it was a good run. 101 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: All that came after the tour because the toil did 102 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: well and then um we pushed it in. There was 103 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: an urban outfits and there's in a few being a 104 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: few stores. Because you see like you, we see you 105 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: a puff a lot you we connect to a puff. 106 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: What was that process like when you got home? Like 107 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: to reconnect with puff? And I mean well, he had 108 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: me from literally from the gate, like from the moment 109 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: I stepped stepped back in here, he had a car 110 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: picked me up, Take me to the halfway house, take 111 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: me to the off this like I'm made history. I'mde 112 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: halfway house history. What do you mean? Usually when you 113 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: go to a halfway house, you have to like go 114 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: through find a job, this and that data da. So 115 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: I was like in the halfway house for like forty 116 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: eight hours when I got a job, came back, you 117 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean, And I just had to wait 118 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: a while before they let me completely because they challenged 119 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: that person to get on the job. Connection you have quiet, 120 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: So it worked out for me. So we've been rocking 121 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: ever since. So he kind of had me from day 122 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: one from there. What's it like to witness like, because 123 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you were you and Big were big 124 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: building towards this type of level of success, and obviously 125 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: you see he saw his growth to superstar him. What 126 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: is it like now to witness with puffs at and 127 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: the way that the business has changed. I mean, it's 128 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of like we like you know what you 129 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: don't know, It's like you kind of assume it was 130 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: gonna get there. But it's like everything that we I know, 131 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: everything me and Big would dream about and talk about 132 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: as far as planning, while us like Puff put it, 133 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: put it down, and that in that perspective where it's different, 134 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: like you know, it's different. It's like almost I don't 135 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: even want to say it like that, but like you 136 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: get spoiled to to a to a point, it's like 137 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: then you you know, I can't be mad at the 138 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: way that I'm living. I can't, you know what I mean. 139 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I put in my work, I paid my due. So 140 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: but sometimes you saw one video with him, you're saying, 141 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: this man, I owe you, this man to owe you anything, right, Puffy, 142 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Because he gets that level of success, people think that, 143 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: oh yeah, everybody's supposed to be getting take care of, 144 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: But everybody has to earn their own damn right. And 145 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: it's a free country, that's his words, a free country, 146 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Like you don't have to be there, you know, like 147 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: you know, he earned it. That's a person if anybody 148 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: earned it, he he earned it. He started off an 149 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: intern and you know and crew to yeah to to 150 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: the way he's at today. So but that that experience, 151 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: like I just missed my passport looked like affiliated. That's 152 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: what It's crazy. You're doing super Bowl parties and ship 153 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: in Minnesota this past that was that was that was 154 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: the first. That was the first we had linked up. 155 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: That fell in the lot too. We had linked up. 156 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: They asked us to see if we can get some 157 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: stuff together. So we did like one of the biggest 158 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Super bowls carts and carti Jeezy Puff Kalid Buster. Um 159 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: damn well it was started studied. Yeah, how coal was 160 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: it was freezing a. Minnesota is a different I mean 161 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: we're in New y'all, so you know it was a 162 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: different type of coal. That's like a it's the real deal. 163 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Call right, you wanted to get your party promoter on, 164 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Like what was it? Why did you get I mean 165 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: actually just with the Super Bowl, I mean next year 166 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: we're in Atlanta, Like we're doing it for the next 167 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: four years. So we got Atlanta, Miami and l A 168 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: coming up. So really Minnesota was just like the first 169 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: one where we just put the print in and try to, 170 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, pull it off. But we pulled it up 171 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: because people don't really party out there like that, but 172 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: they came out for us, thank you, you know what 173 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean. So it all worked out. It worked out. 174 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: It was super dope. Actually, everybody came through for the kids. 175 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: So it with a visible bully, Like is it hard 176 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: because you see a lot of big merchandise popping up 177 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: left and right? Is it hard to like to separate 178 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: yourselves as the official kind of Uh? Yeah, but what 179 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: I do, Like, I know it sounds crazy to have 180 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: a clothing line and stuff like that, but I don't 181 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: want everybody in minds like I don't I don't care 182 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: like I don't like I slow walk it. It's minds 183 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: of it. It is what it is like you know 184 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: that means something to me. So it's like, I know, 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: I inspired a lot of people. I haven't seen so 186 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: many T shirt lines and brands since I did that, 187 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Like it was crazy, So at least I know, at 188 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: least I'm doing the right thing. But you know, there 189 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: are people that in my lane of life that actually 190 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: get inspired to see that it can actually happen, you 191 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah I would. I would 192 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: love to get to that. But I mean, mins I'm 193 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm cool, Like you don't have to wear it, you know, 194 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: but the ones that do wear it really support it 195 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: and appreciate it so you know, so it's for like 196 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I said, it's for the underdog as for as for us, 197 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: because at one point Big was getting into Colon with 198 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Mann. Yeah, that was part of the plan. That's 199 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: why I say when I see stuff like even believe 200 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: it or not even like the down to like the 201 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: look like we've done this. Probably don't even remember we've 202 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: done it, like a sant Oz commercial. A long time. 203 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: We did a sant Oz commercial and like that was 204 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: part of our plan, like the clothes, the stuff like that. 205 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: But you know, we ha did like a Saint Oz mercer. 206 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: We had the Brooklyn Men stuff, but you know, everything 207 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: got cut short. That's why I say, coming home and 208 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: see him, like you know what Puff was doing and 209 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: stuff like that, that was just like that's living vicariously 210 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: through him, you know what I mean. So it was 211 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: it was. It was nice, but it also plans for 212 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: a restaurant at one point, right, yeah, send the makers. 213 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: That ain't over yet. Oh wow, that's not over yet. 214 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: But let's take it back. I mean, we know you're 215 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: you're biggiest friends, best friend, you know, but why don't 216 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: we get to know exactly how you guys connected? Like 217 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: we see you like on the street corner, like you 218 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: look the youngest all you're both like seventeen and so 219 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: and likedlin foods are wrapping on the street corner like 220 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 1: that was yeah that green Bahama shirt. I got a 221 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: new one thing, I got a new but no, that 222 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: was um, that was like a little little later, not 223 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: really later, but like as far as us meeting, I 224 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: used to go to school with a guy that lived 225 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: a few doors down from him, and then um, I 226 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: used always just like see him like we should see 227 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: each We used to speak like he grew up on St. 228 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: James between Gates and Fulton, and I grew up on 229 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Gates between Bethor and No String, So like my main 230 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: street was like his side block. So we would just 231 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: connect like that, you know. So we had like a 232 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: lot in commons, no dads around, you know what I'm saying, 233 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: only child stuff like that, So you know, food, and 234 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: we got together, Like I said, I met the Chico 235 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: got Chico introduced me to him and then we just 236 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: started like every time I go up there, we were 237 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: just connect the dots. So I brought him down my 238 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: way down on Bethford Avenue and then um, we used 239 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: to be on that corner, you know what I'm saying 240 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: that with that wasn't even like a battle in sit wation. 241 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: It would be like, um, the guy keV used to 242 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: bring his like DJ equipment out on the weekends. They barbecue, 243 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: do what they need to do and then just have 244 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: a mic and you know, because he's doing like a 245 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: busy b type routine and him biggie with bars. That 246 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: was that's a mean I didn't know. I knew like 247 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: I knew he know, but we wasn't really like even 248 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: right like right then and there. But it wasn't like Okay, 249 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna rap and and and and do what album 250 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: gonna do is It was just like okay, you know 251 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: what the wrong but we were still doing what we 252 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: was doing, like and then people were here, Yeah, people 253 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: were hearing and being like yo. Like I would always 254 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: get the like yo, yeah, like you're dude. It's like 255 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of like different, like he's like 256 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of nice. He's be like yeah, yeah, yeah, 257 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean. Wasn't that not at all? 258 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Like Big probably wasn't even probably I know for a fact, 259 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: like he wasn't like shopping the deal or we were 260 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: running around with a demo tape that time was more 261 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: of a natural gift. Yeah, we actually got mad actually 262 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: the demo tape that uh Maddie c through the midst 263 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: to see like that whole thing, Like we kind of 264 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: got mad that we gave out the taket that was 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: like a ridding the round tape that they don't have step. Yeah, 266 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, like where's the tape that we 267 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: got in the car And he was like, oh no, 268 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: we gave it to Maris, Like why would you get 269 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: the tape for you know what I'm saying, like like 270 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: we d around Ye, it was like why would you 271 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: get the tape away? Like that's our ship, that's what 272 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: we ride around and we ride back and forth, you 273 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Were you there when you recorded it? Yeah? 274 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: Hell yeah? So what to that period? He was saying, 275 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: because actually there's a documentary I don't you see you 276 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: got any of you for Biggie the Life and the 277 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: Toys Big and he put out that Faith in Valada 278 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: were behind um and we're actually gonna exclusively put it 279 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: on title starting on Friday. UM. But you were saying 280 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: that like during that actually been that documentary part that 281 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: was saying at that point he was just like he 282 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: would go over fifty grand the DJ's house kind of 283 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: for fun. They were just drinking after a good time whatever, 284 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: and that he just would draw beats on and it 285 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: was kind of just more of a loose freestop. That's 286 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: exactly what it was. Just for personal It was just 287 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: like like personal news. It wasn't even like, Okay, let's 288 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: do this. Maybe maybe one of them, one of them. 289 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: The starter says it's a demo because after a while 290 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: took it a little like, hey, this might be it, 291 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Like we can probably you know, roll on out of here. 292 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: But during that time, what were you guys listening to? 293 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: Is it like Kane or a lot of influences. I 294 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: think he was like Kane special at uh Chubb rock 295 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: um pe Um, nice and smooth. It was like where 296 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: we were supposed to be listening to, right like you 297 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean, we were listening to like you know, 298 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: I probably missing somebody. But that was like a little 299 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: basics and you were saying with the street stuff and 300 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: that in actually that documentary you said Big was a 301 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: good hustler because people liked him. It wasn't even like 302 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: some ra like strong people. His personalities what kind of 303 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: made him a gagings you went to the block and 304 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: he wasn't there, You just like, yeah, they would look 305 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: for him. They would ask for him. They him baby face, 306 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: like baby face Chris stuff like that. So now they 307 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: would ask really look for him. I wasn't good like 308 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: That's why. I mean, that's like kind of like that 309 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: um like the the Tourist movie, like just like you, No, 310 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't really I ain't had nerves. Actually, I wasn't 311 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: like a good hustle like that, like you know what 312 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I was just like bottom line, like 313 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: my thing is like litten, I'd ever take it before 314 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that my patients wasn't good 315 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: to like sit there, stand on the corner to to 316 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: hand to hand and like you know what I mean. 317 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: My nerves wasn't right for that stuff. So it's like 318 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: but they can do it like he he would sit 319 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: there and charm him and they will come to him. 320 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: He would do his thing with that stuff. How much 321 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: has that neighborhood changed since you guys, well you know kids, please, 322 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: the most expensive place to live in the world, right, now, no, 323 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: seriously ready. So I know people living in Wall Street 324 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: right now, Wall streets are cheaper, but I'm not as different. 325 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean some of the same, most of the same 326 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: establishments is there, but it's definitely way different, right, It's 327 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: way friend. I was just down there the other day. Actually, 328 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: the one final thing in that doctor has said that 329 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: really the birth of Tiana is kind of would change him. 330 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: And then it was like he wanted to go harder 331 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: no matter what. You know, that was that the kid 332 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: had changed his life. Definitely Tiana that did it. It 333 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: was definitely Tiana. Tiana did. He was just like yo, 334 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: but that But by then, by the time Tiana was 335 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: like we was like in it. It was in it, 336 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: like it was like, okay, this is what we're doing, 337 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Like it was like borderline, 338 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: like it was like a transition leaving that, leaving the 339 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: street alone and go on this. But it's always that, 340 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: you know how the game is just like just because 341 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: you got a video planing on me and you're making money. 342 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Somebody was like we were still sitting on the corner 343 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: and we were watching cars come by and and playing 344 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: party and bullshit, and it was just like I remember 345 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: me saying this personally, I'm like, yo, something right, Like 346 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: we we we ain't doing something right. There's no way, 347 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: like we're still standing on this corner and we don't 348 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: seem about four different cars come through playing the music. 349 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Like it's like you know what I'm saying, it's something 350 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: we're not doing. Like you know, we were still learning it. 351 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. Like that, it was blowing up 352 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: and learning and at the same time, you know what 353 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean. So you know, did him get an unsungn 354 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: hype in the source and have any effect on him? 355 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: Like did that mean anything? Yeah? And met the world 356 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: to him and meant the world to him. We should 357 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: keep meself. We read that magazine, that that issue so 358 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: many times. We had it everywhere, right, so you know 359 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: it definitely meant the sometimes the media. That's good. You 360 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: gotta think back in those days, the magazine was everything. 361 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah people, Yeah, I said, like we would get magazines, 362 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: go to magazine stands and grab stuff. Yeah. Did you 363 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: even when he met because it puff always talks about 364 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: how he rapped for him and then puffed me right away, 365 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Like when you at that meeting, were you downstairs? I 366 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: was already um taking that charge. Okay, I was already 367 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: in the missing my part of the successes, which was 368 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: word lized in the Torris movie. Even though you were 369 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: light skin and short, you know, I mean, you ain't 370 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: gotta mash me up at least fit the description, you 371 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, he's got a talk guy, that guy. 372 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: So what was that life from your perspective to go 373 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: to go through that? Like it was it what we 374 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: saw in the movie. What's what's the real version of 375 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: your mind? I mean as far as the whole situation 376 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: for us getting locked up, and like how did that happened? 377 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: And why you decided to make that decision? And did 378 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: you know at that time that that was like a 379 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: decision that would help your friend, I mean cultivate his career. 380 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I um, I mean, how can I put 381 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: it like I would have did it regardless of big 382 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: was trying to be a fireman or school teacher. I 383 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: ould like, it wasn't even about the music. While I 384 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: took the charge like that, it was my friend, Like 385 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So i'ld have did that regardless. 386 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: That's the type of person I am. If I'm with you, 387 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you. So but and then on top of that, 388 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean I was out on bell for a gunch 389 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: charge already, so you know, it kind of made sense. 390 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: And then he had just kind of like really got 391 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: connected to things about to do a deal and you 392 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's just like yo. And 393 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: actually it wasn't like he was like go go go. Yeah, yeah, 394 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: he was like nahs. He was like fuck that don't 395 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: do that. Shouldn't get you crazy, Like you know what 396 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: I mean, We we ain't gotta do that. I was 397 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: just like yo, But it's just like certain times like 398 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: it kind of actually it helped me, believe it or not, 399 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: It saved me because I was loose cannon, you know 400 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, doing like you know, on the road 401 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: to destruction. So I was just like, yo, just do 402 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: what you gotta do. And know they didn't take us 403 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: to no priests and police figure that shot out right 404 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: there in the streets. They handcuffed us and get y'all 405 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: a minute, you know what I mean. And then I 406 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: was just like yo, and that was it, Like that 407 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: was like the last time I seen him until I 408 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: got out, Yeah, you know what I mean. And then um, 409 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: but I still didn't really came out while you were ye, yeah, yeah, 410 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: I came home. So how did you know Ready to 411 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: Die was like really resonating to um. When I was away, 412 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: people that was from the neighborhood was coming in like 413 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know he was like as big as like 414 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: he was like like really getting it like that because 415 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: I was away and I was like, the key to 416 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: that is the stage detached yourself from the real world. 417 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't watching videos. I wasn't watching TV like I 418 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: would know up and dab and people were coming that 419 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: was from down the way and be like telling other 420 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: people like Yota, that's that's that's his man right there, 421 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: like like that dude right there. They're like, Yo, that's 422 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: that's that's his friend right there. Like it used to 423 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: be like yo, like you know, just chill like chill 424 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: like that. So I'll go dave room, catch a little 425 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: video or two. Then you got some of the guys 426 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: coming through with the negative ship like yoh, big ain't 427 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: gonna mess with you, and you getting home like like 428 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: you took that charge for nothing, like you know, U 429 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: was an asshole. He ain't remember you this and that that. 430 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: But I was still plugged into you know, to what 431 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: mattered in the streets, so you know what I mean, 432 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: they were just like it was hard, like I said, 433 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: he was learning it. He was learned. Then you got 434 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of new people coming at you. Nobody really 435 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: can trust people, you know what I mean, and you're 436 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: blown up. So I didn't really know to what degree 437 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: it was, but I knew things have changed, like you 438 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, until like you know, like even 439 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: down to to him getting married. When I was speaking 440 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: him on the phone, he would be like, wifey. I 441 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: just stort. He made wifey Like you know what I'm saying, 442 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know you actually got married, Like you 443 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I didn't like I was 444 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: out of tune and stuff like that. And I remember 445 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: me maybe having like two weeks before I was coming home, 446 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 1: so I was like always calling. I was like, yo, man, 447 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: you gotta send me some clothes like I like, because 448 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: if not, I'm like, I'm gonna come home and it's 449 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: my fucking trench coat, Like they give you like a 450 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: beige trench coat with some hard blue jeans and conversus. 451 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't come home like that out of 452 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: that He's like, I got you. I got you. So 453 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: the day comes, the morning comes for me to go home. 454 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: They don't call me for no package. Everybody's a few 455 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: dudes going home with me. They're getting dressed and stuff 456 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: like that. So I'm sitting there underwear and stuff like 457 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: looking at the you know, the beige stuff, you know. 458 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like, something, I really gotta put this 459 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: sh on. Then one of the CEOs and the I 460 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: was like, hey, yo, but look like you're not gonna 461 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: get your stuff. So I'm like, yo, stop playing like 462 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm like, I know, I 463 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: ain't got nothing there. So I didn't call me. It 464 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: had came that morning, so I was like, oh, sure, 465 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: you know I got I got my little black chuckers 466 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, black cash jeans, right, you know. 467 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: And then I had this was like a colorful sweater, 468 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. I didn't really like 469 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the sweater, so I was like, you know what, I 470 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: ain't gonna put it on, so boom. So then I 471 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: got a plane ticket. So now I'm like kind of 472 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: laughing at the other dudes. Now I'm like, now you 473 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: gotta sit on that long ass eight hour ride back 474 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: to New York. I'm about to shoot to the airport 475 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: and I'm good. So I get to the airport, I 476 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: got like the sweater on my shoulder. So some girls 477 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, yo yo, that's a cool 478 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: g alright. So I'm like what it was like, I'm 479 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: talking to my friend, like how much It's like five 480 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. It's like a seven hunder dollars sweating. So 481 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm like holding, yeah, I holding like that. It was 482 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: like a bunch of colors. I'm just getting out, so 483 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like this ship. Like so I'm like, 484 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. So then I went in 485 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: the bathroom. Then I put it on like I was like, 486 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like I bet so now I canna 487 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: put the joint on. I got a little butter leather, 488 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: a little know what I mean. So now I got 489 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: that on the shoulders. May come home. That's when I 490 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: meet Faith, you know what I mean? I meet Faith 491 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: and then um, I flew from upstate New York. I believe, 492 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: I don't even know. It was a Buffalo Rochester somewhere. 493 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: From there, I flew flew to New York JFK getting 494 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: them stuck. You know how, you know everything's moving fast? 495 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: I meet face. She gives me a uh keys to 496 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: a I think a green what do you call him? 497 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: Not off the land rover running afour runner? No, no, no, no, 498 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: no land cruising. It was a land cruiser. It was 499 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: a green land cruiser. But she was like in a 500 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: rush to go to a photo shoot. She just wrote 501 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: her number on a piece of paper, gave me an envelope, 502 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: like your head, this is from you, this is from big. 503 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: Out out of that, it was gone. I'm like, yo, 504 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Go Yeah, I'm like yoase 505 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: I left, Like we were taking the train, you know, 506 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: we gotta remember so to come home to to that 507 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: normally we ain't hosting it from from the block to 508 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: the studio. So to come home and into the right yeah. 509 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: So I was like, so, I'm like, all right, cool. 510 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know what to do. So I'm like, 511 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: all right, I s you know what I'm not gonna do. 512 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: Let's pull up on an avenue. So I drove, took 513 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: me about. I was lost as I drove, and then 514 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: UM parked the car a few blocks down from the avenue, 515 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: grab my bag out, you know, act like I just 516 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: got out, what's up? What's up? Out of up? And 517 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh big, don't change, like your hand gonna 518 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: funk with you da, So my mind, I'm like, okay, 519 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: well this is what you call not fucking with you. 520 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: Then keep not working with me. Then you know what 521 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean. I got no amends, give me a bag 522 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: of money, brand new car, like you know what I'm saying. 523 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, cool, So they're not going 524 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: home Grandma's and everybody's. And I call faith no, I 525 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: call well, I call it big. I called him from 526 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: the joint. It's like once you see my grandma numbers, 527 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Like once he picked up the phone, we just laugh 528 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: like we're not even saying no words, Like we laugh 529 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: about a good five minutes. But it was like a 530 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: hard care laugh. But it was like a laugh sharing 531 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,239 Speaker 1: like I told you we're good. I know you fucked up? 532 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Did you give you? Like it was just a laugh 533 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: with It wasn't even a conversation where you just knew. 534 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: It was everything like in one you know, like one situation. 535 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: So connection yeah, and then um and I told about 536 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: like hey, yo, if you know, I don't want to 537 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: be I don't really want to be down here, like 538 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I want to be around here, 539 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: around these guys and all that stuff, if you know, 540 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: if you want me to stay home, like you know 541 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like he was like, Yo, cool, 542 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: meet me, meet me in l A. I'm on a 543 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: promo tour. So I'm like, all right, cool me not 544 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: know no better books a ticket to l A. He 545 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: just said l A. So the lands calls, He's like, Yo, 546 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: where you at. I'm like I'm in l A. Like 547 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: he's like where. I'm like, right, I gotta I don't 548 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: really had no bag and nothing. I was like, I'm 549 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: like I'm right outside. Like he's like, you don't see 550 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: a white musing. That's when the promos like we're still 551 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: coming up with the fifteen passenger van. You know what 552 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying that It was real, yeah, you know what 553 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean. He's like, you'll see no big white van. 554 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't see no van. And he's like, um, 555 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: where are you at, like in l A. So he's 556 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: like nah, Like like well, I was like l A said, 557 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: what's the name of the air port? Was like l 558 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: as like, nah man, I think we was in San 559 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: Francisco or something or San die because he was like, 560 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: nah man, you're in the rung. I was like, so 561 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do the He's like, yo, them flights 562 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: the shore, they've run every forty five minutes. Just go 563 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: back in there. So he was like, but now I'm 564 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: wearing a bit to pick you up because I gotta 565 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: d door. So I'm like, um, all right cool. So 566 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm like all right, So I said this, give me 567 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: the address, writes it down, spinning paper. Then so right down, 568 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: right down the address and all that stuff flies there, 569 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: catch a cab to the things. So I pull up 570 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: to this like this this store, I'm like, the line 571 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: was like damn it three blocks long. So I'm like, yo, 572 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn the funk they selling in there? Like 573 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, somebody must 574 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: got some ship going on like this, Like this line 575 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: is like, you know, three blocks down, so I can 576 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: in and out looked. I start seeing like he's sitting 577 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: at the addressing at like a table like this, you 578 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's in line, So I see 579 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: like seas I see l L I see the team. 580 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: I see hawking on him, I'm like, okay, so boom, 581 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: So I went I grabbed like five copies of the 582 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: of the CD. You know what I'm saying. So I'm standing. 583 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: So I got on line. So he signed and joints 584 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: doing what he needs to do. And then I got 585 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: to he looked up. I was like maybe four people 586 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: up to the table. Then when I saw him, he 587 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: just he just got up. He was like oh ship 588 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: like it stop. Everybody to know what was going on 589 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: because he jumped up quick. So people just like they 590 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: was like yo, so we about yeah here they're telling people, 591 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: I got this is my man, Like yo, this is 592 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: my man right here, like oh, and then we was 593 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: rocking ever since you and I was like, you know, 594 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: that was it from there was the fine roll. It 595 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: was just like whatever you need, but it was it 596 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: was just still learning it. As you know, I'm a 597 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: quick learner, like you know, that's one thing I'm not 598 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: as slow. So like if I see what's going on, 599 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: I can adapt, like you know, I mean I know 600 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: how to adapt. So I've seen what was going on 601 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: about the situation. I just applied myself where I figured 602 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: he needed. You know, we needed to help. I'm gonna 603 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: say you were really clearvoyian at that time too, because 604 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: you picked up a camera and like you just started 605 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: documenting all this footage of Big. It's like and a 606 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: lot of it is unseen. Yeah, it's you know what 607 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: it was. It was a picture, like you know how 608 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: they say, like a picture, there's a little thousand words 609 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: videos living forever Like I mean that was just me, 610 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: like but they were heavy and expensive back then. It's crazy. 611 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: But it's like carrying a sneaklebox always in the way, 612 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: battery dead all the time. It was. It would be 613 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you shooting all stun. Let me tell you something. At 614 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: one point, I was like driver, security, cameraman, chef. Only 615 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: one dude ever got his flowers. My boy named man Jamil, 616 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: like he always kept us, kept us dope, but I 617 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: don't let him dress me. Yeah, but like everything at 618 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: one time, Like that's why I like I look at 619 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: today and like to see what people do. It's like 620 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: I used to do that like by myself. Like I 621 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: would be driving with my knee and recording Big in 622 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: the front seat like this, you know what I'm saying. 623 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: So it's like, well, net we never had like I 624 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: never I wish I wish I would have knew, Like 625 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: we never was recording for nothing like to you, we 626 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: just was recording because the funny thing was watching it 627 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: at night. That's what we used to do. We used 628 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: to tape all day and then get back at the 629 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: end of the day and just re want it and 630 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: then just watched the night. And it's the crazy thing 631 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: with that is it's like it never was us that 632 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: was funny. It was everything behind it. Like when you 633 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: take something, you notice everything that's going on in the 634 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: background opposed to what you stuff you could see the 635 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: stuff you couldn't see. So that was that's what kind 636 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: of got like kind of amazed me when it comes 637 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: to like videos and stuff like that, like filming, and 638 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: then um, it was just yeah, so we're sitting on 639 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot of unseen footage and things like that from 640 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: Big I mean me, like, I just it's just personal 641 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: for me, Like you know what I'm saying. It's just 642 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: like like a diary like we usually like I get 643 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: friends together, like we usually do stuff like on Christmas 644 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: or his like since he's been gone, like you know, 645 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: since like this time of the year. Stuff like that 646 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: just go through old stuff and bug out. It's like 647 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: it's like a diary for me. It's like making anybody 648 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: read your diary, you know what I mean. So it's like, 649 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, but I mean I've had got some stuff out, 650 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: like because Mama, like you know, puff them want to 651 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: do stuff. But like and it's not even about no 652 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: bread because like half the stuff you see, at least 653 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the stuff you've seen on Big since 654 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: he's been gone, had to come from me. And it 655 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: was to the point like after the years go by, 656 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: people with like for the bug and there like yo, 657 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: you get money for this stuff or that I wasn't 658 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, it was just about his legacy, 659 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: just keeping them looking good and keeping him, you know, 660 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: keeping him fresh. So what do you make of his 661 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: legacy and how even like all these years later, it's 662 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: like Mark Knife is still that day or even his 663 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: birthday and we telling people two times now that dayy 664 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: were born to day they passed. Like I mean, I think, 665 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: let's again my personal opinion. I just think where his 666 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: legacies at now, it should be bigger. And I think 667 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: he's still the hardest working rapper in the game right now. 668 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: You know, he's in everybody's songs. He's in everybody, you know, 669 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: he's people always, you know. So I just think he's 670 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: still the hardest working dude in the game right now. 671 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: What he means should be bigger, you know. I just 672 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: think as far as his legacy and like, we could 673 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: be doing more, you know what I'm saying. I think 674 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: we could be doing more, Like Big Big can do 675 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: a lot, like you know what I mean, as far 676 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: as the foundations and just you know, it's just as 677 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: a unit, like you know what I'm saying. I just 678 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: think it could be doing more. But that's just like 679 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: my humble opinion. So do you think musically it hurts 680 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: because he wasn't able to get as much music outs 681 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: maybe some of the artists and yeah, I mean all 682 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: the stuff he put out was great, but it's it's 683 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: a smaller catalog when it comes Yeah, when it comes 684 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: to music with me, it's hard to ask me because 685 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: then I sound to me, it's like I could put 686 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: on Life After Death now and it still sound better 687 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: than somebody that dropped the album yesterday. We so, like 688 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: you said, you were so when you when you were 689 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: locked up, you didn't hadn't even heard rated that when 690 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: you had to tape, had had a set tape stuff 691 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: like that. So when did you feel your friend is 692 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: nice like special like this, he's nice, like he's well, 693 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: like I said, it's after he passed away I realized 694 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: how nice he really really was because a lot of 695 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: people looking at him as Big, it was still Chris 696 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: to me, like I used to like to like to 697 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: be out and about and here's somebody tell me a 698 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: story about Big when I was gone, like you know 699 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. And then the story would be a 700 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: little funnier to me, because whatever it is, I'm sure 701 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: he put his stamp on it that nobody even caught. 702 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: And I'll catch the funniness of the story, but I 703 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: know the story they tell him, I would catch it 704 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: and be like, you don't even know, like he don't 705 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: plays like you know, just like little stuff like that. 706 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: I like to hear stories about you about Big, because 707 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I miss. I was just like 708 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: there for the pivotal points in his life, like you 709 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like so a lot of the 710 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: in between stuff I kind of miss. So I'm kind 711 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: of like be wanting to him, like I like to 712 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: hear people tell stories about big or they'd like to 713 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: listen to people interviews and stuff like that. But you 714 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: said you didn't like juicy though right at first? Why not? 715 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: I don't know because after hearing like a bunch of 716 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: life because just the time that we were in, like 717 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: everything was just like you know, gangster rapp and da 718 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: that's what said respect. You know, probably remember because I 719 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: asked bit, I was like, yo, why would you do that? 720 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, what do you want to do 721 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: to be nice rapper? Or be a nice rapper and 722 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: make money? So you know, I guess. So you know, 723 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: we learned from him and this is what you need 724 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: to do, you know, to to you know, these type 725 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: of records that you gotta put out. You can do 726 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: what you want to do on your album, but you know, 727 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: if you want to make some money, this is what 728 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: you need. You want to see him sort of evolved 729 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: with that, like those those records and the big poppers 730 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: they worked and I love them all. Now yeah, no, 731 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: we also would see we also you see his style 732 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: started to change. He started wearing the nicest stuff and 733 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: there was the whole even like the growth from the 734 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: um from ready to die, the life after death was 735 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: like you can't talk about the same things no more 736 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: because it's the same thing ain't happening. You know. That's 737 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: how I feel like today when they do like the 738 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: comparisons and and stuff like that, where people with artists 739 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: like you know, how are you comparing to somebody, like 740 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's not going on again, like 741 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: we was in a whole different struggle that was like 742 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: the crack error. People felt like like I don't know 743 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: no new crackheads. You know what I'm saying, Any crackhead 744 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: I know being a crackhead, you know what I'm saying. 745 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Or you know, like I don't know who's smoking crack 746 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: the mar like I don't know a new crackhead. So 747 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: it's not even the same things as pills, sirrup. It's 748 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: that whatever it is people doing right in the numbering music. 749 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: So it ain't gonna be a comparance, a whole different struggle. 750 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: You ain't go nobody, You ain't better. They're gonna be 751 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: another j another nas, another public in and then another. 752 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, It's not gonna be that 753 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: because it's a whole different error right now. Now, it's 754 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: not the same struggle in the streets no more. I 755 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: mean he's not saying that, no crackheads, but you know, 756 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's not the same. But 757 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: you came home to you said that you popped up 758 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: at the One More Chance video, right, Yeah, that was 759 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: the first video that I actually besides that Supercap is 760 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: a supercap video floating around and they think I'm in 761 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: it ain't me? But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, 762 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: they that ain't me, you know what I mean. But 763 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: that was like one of the first videos that I 764 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: actually like. All that was around the same time. Like 765 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: all that was still like around the same time. So 766 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: before that, yeah, yeah, it was around the same time 767 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: coming home, you know, the in store, like you know, 768 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe when we came back from that that was getting 769 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: shot and all that stuff. So then, um, he was 770 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: like yo once he's funny. Ship. I was like, yeah, 771 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: he's watching me stress everybody out. I said, what you're 772 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: talking about? He's like, watch this. We left set, you 773 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He was like, you'll get the car. 774 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: We left set, jumped in the truck. He put his 775 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: phone on the dashboard. So he's like, watch how many 776 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: times this nigga mop pits and puff called my phone. 777 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: So they call the phone one time, big pick up. 778 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: It's like, yo, man, hey man. They're like, Yo, were 779 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: you at? Were you at? Like they're talking budgets and 780 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: stuff like yo. You know you're playing yourself because like, yo, man, 781 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: I can't take this ship is too much. I'm out 782 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: boom hang up right. But we're around the corner just smoking. 783 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: We're in the car, so we did We ain't going nowhere. 784 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: We just pulled around the corner. We're just smoking weeds. 785 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: So it's like, Yo, they're blowing up the phone. Yo, 786 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: they calling my phone. He's like, just pick up. So 787 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: they're like, yo, man, if you if that's your boy, 788 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: you'll get him back here, like you'll get him back 789 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: like that. So I'm like, oh, so I'm like all right, cool, 790 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: so being like, don't worry about I don't worry about it. 791 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: So we sat there for about forty five minutes, then 792 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: pulled back on seven. I said everybody was stressed, and 793 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: he just looked back and said, I told you it's 794 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: like a little funny stuff, like you know what I mean. Yeah, 795 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: So it was. It was. It was real. So were 796 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: you were on the set when he did Martin that episode. Um, Nope, nope, 797 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: I was Actually that's what I said that damn just 798 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: like I had that was a report date for me, 799 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: so I couldn't make the trip, but I was home. 800 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: I was there, like yeah, but I was like I 801 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: was there though, because they told me that was like 802 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: the illest gave me the illest story about Martin. Man. 803 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: It's like Martin is like one of the illest dudes. 804 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Like he kept his joints, like he just rolled with 805 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: joints in a cigarette hold of like there's joints just 806 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: like like his joints. Like, so he had fun over 807 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: there though he wanted to do that when he was 808 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: excited about that because everyone keeps saying that he was 809 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: such a funny guy, you know what I mean. So 810 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: that's yeah, it really was right. I remember we used 811 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: to like hear do stuff like because like I said, 812 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: he didn't drive, just f y. He never learned, never learned, 813 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: never going to what he tried to. One time we 814 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: were going on a trip. We're in front of his 815 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: mom house, me on St. James to be getting the car. 816 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: He's like, yo, I left my asthma pump upstairs. I 817 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonn run up and grabbing 818 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: for you. It's like five in the morning. Everything quiet. 819 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: I get upstairs. All his boom boom boom boom, and 820 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: car a long's going on. He took the car around 821 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: the block but hit about seven pod cars. Know what 822 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like that about seven songs I caught downstairs. 823 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: He come he running up the block. I'm like, yo, 824 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: what happened? He was like the car fucked up? Like 825 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't understand, like he was in the past, 826 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: you see, He's just like you're the car fucked up? 827 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? So he ran up. 828 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: That was like the one time. Then we caught the 829 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: caps and I don't even know what happened to call. 830 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: We caught the cab to the airport, but he wouldn't 831 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: even know the dry But we would pull up at 832 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: tolls and then um, we'll pay the people and he 833 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: would just like lean over and then like if whoever 834 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: it was was a god girl, whatever is, he would 835 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: lean over and be like, you know what, you got 836 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: a big ass nose, like while I'm waiting for the change, 837 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: like the stuff, like he would just say like stupid 838 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: stuff to people. You know what I mean stuff like that. 839 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, he's definitely funny. You definitely get 840 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: a laugh. I mean that's what I like to do. 841 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: I'd rether laugh right right, you laugh, you get a 842 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: six pack and say, laughing is the best stomach exercise 843 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: in the world. In fact, good laugh, tighten up the good, 844 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: tighten up the asps. But Big was really big on 845 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: tightening up his clue Junior Mafia. So it was like 846 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 1: everything we hear about Junior Mafia coming together like that 847 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: was really his goal, just to put his team on right. Definitely, yeah, definitely. 848 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean he basically put it like this. He was 849 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: halland Junior Mafia before it was Junior Mafia. That was 850 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: just a vision that he wanted to do and you 851 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: know and stuff like that. So he kind of like 852 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: had a Junior Mafia deal for we had the members. 853 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. So what did you make of it? 854 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: Did you see something in sees or Kim, Like, when 855 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: did you see that, Okay, there could be something here. 856 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean I was already I was already there, like 857 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: you know, like we was already rocking then. So but 858 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: I've seen, I've seen, I mean, he was living proof that, 859 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, it can happen. So you know, he had 860 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: the whole plan like this is gonna be you. You're 861 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: gonna do this, You're gonna do that, like you know, 862 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: because Kim was like like Kim and Blake was like 863 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: one of the ones that came up, like Kim came 864 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: to the table with songs and you know, stuff like that. 865 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: Like you know, I was right there watch but I 866 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: never really got into you know, I had a whole 867 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: different other role I was dealing with, you know what 868 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean as far as in his life. So I 869 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: never really but that's what I said, Like that's one 870 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: thing I do know. I've you know, I know music. 871 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: I've been in the studio. You know, I know what 872 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: it is. I know what it sounds like. You know 873 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: what I mean, I know I know what it is. 874 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: You know what I know what it is when I 875 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: hear it. He said, you said that you have a 876 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: certain commandments. You guys said, they said, there's number one 877 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: the music, number two the music business, and number three 878 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: the music industry. And you said, love the first, learn 879 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: the second, I'll smart the third. So what do you 880 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: what do you love about music? And what was it? 881 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: So what was it like being around Biggie watching him create, 882 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: because then now you got a chance to like see 883 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: him create music. It was like it was like people 884 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: didn't get it that first, like big Wood type people 885 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: come come, come to the studio, see the engineer, like 886 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: you know how you rewind it, how you turn it 887 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: up and down? All right, cool, you can break out, 888 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: give me a number, call you when I'm ready. Like 889 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: he would sit there and just you know, he had 890 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: learned it as he do it, like you know, I 891 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: mean here re wanted, keep re wanting, to keep wanting, 892 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: to keep wanting to keep wanting. It's like I come 893 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: to the point where I kind of knew when he 894 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: was almost finished with the song of how long he 895 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: would let it play, you know what I mean, like 896 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: like because but just be the instrumental if the instruments 897 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: we got towards like toward the end without him and 898 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: wanted it, I'd be like, Okay, song finished, let me 899 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: get ready to get this guy over here. Like so 900 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: I kind of knew the system, yeah, the rhythm like that, 901 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: but not even knowing it. But I just as being 902 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: there with him and stuff like that, and I knew 903 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: when you know, he wasn't feeling it that night and 904 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but he would actually learn the song 905 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: as he go. He would start off fully dressed in 906 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: the booth with the lights off, and by time the 907 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: song is over, he's in his draw That's true. He 908 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: would always normally stripped down to the booth like he 909 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: was going there yet never asked. So it's just like 910 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: he would always do that he was. It would start 911 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: off fully dressed. See he's a roll a few lights, 912 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: turn the lights off, and then until the end of 913 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: the drawing, they would hit the lights on. And you're like, yo, 914 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: what it's like in his boxes? Is any sessions that 915 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: stand out to you? Brooklyn's, Uh, Brooklyn's finds the song 916 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: he did with jay Z. We've heard different accounts of 917 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: this story because it was it was like it was 918 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: it was kind of hard to meet get the schedules 919 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: like Jay kind of like did his and then I 920 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: had to send it the big I remember throwing up 921 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: that night, like in the booth like if I I 922 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what was going on, but 923 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: he made me sit in a booth with him and 924 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: I was just like laid out on the floor. I 925 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: just I just remember being real fucked up that night, 926 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But that was like that night. 927 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: Then the bone Thuk song notorious stuff. Yeah, and then 928 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: actually it was a song he was appeared on. Somebody 929 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: joined I think it was all Kelly and they didn't 930 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: understand how Big work. So, um, we went to the 931 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: session or whatever, and so they gave Big open in 932 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: the pad. So Big was like thanks and started crushing 933 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: up his weed on the pad. Thanks or whatever the 934 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: case might be. So then um, I had went to 935 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: the bathroom and I was in the bathroom using the 936 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: bathroom in one of the stalls. So whoever it was 937 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: come up in the bathroom. It's like a yeah, man, 938 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: you know they're real unprofessional, you know what I mean. 939 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: I gave him a pen and pad to start to. 940 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: He'd be listening to the same He just wanting the record. 941 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: He's like sitting in there. He's not even doing nothing. 942 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: He's just staring into space studio time, whether's on the phone. 943 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm in the bathroom now, I only 944 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: want to flush and nothing. Now I'm like that, I 945 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want dude on the spot, so I'll wait for 946 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: him to get out, so I come in there. I 947 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: called Big and I'm like, yo, it's like a homeboy 948 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 1: in there calling somebody on you like snitching, and like 949 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: tell him about like you know, you're wasting money. He 950 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: gave you pad, you just crushed the weed out, you 951 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he was like, don't worry 952 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: about him. So then he was like I'm ready. But 953 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: it was all Kelly session that that that much. I know, 954 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: you'd be happy, happy, That's what it was. So they 955 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: think about it when Yeah, so they thought he was 956 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,479 Speaker 1: just in there wasting time. They didn't know how he worked, 957 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So then after after he 958 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: did the joint, dudes like yeah, they was all happy 959 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: and stuff. And I told him, I was like, you know, 960 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom using it talking to he 961 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: he was talking to he was like, I was like, yeah, 962 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: I was like, that's just how he worked. Like were 963 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: you always amazing that he didn't write stuff down? It 964 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: was all yeah, it always looked like he wasn't working. 965 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: Like even like I said, even in our cars, like 966 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,280 Speaker 1: I got footage of us ridding around listening to Somebody 967 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: Got a Dog, just the instrumental like he would pick 968 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: his beats like you know, he would pick a lot 969 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: of his beats like kind of like orchestrate the beats first, 970 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: then applied apply druingts like his thing would just get 971 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: the music right first, like like his album with or instrumentals. Wow, 972 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: you said the Bone Thugs like that was big at 973 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: that time because they were huge with their different type 974 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: of lyrical style and it was so it was so 975 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: great to see Bigie do that style and do it effectively? 976 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: Was that always in his mindset? Like? What was that? Like? 977 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I asked him what was he gonna do? 978 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: She just said, Um, I'm gonna let them do their thing. 979 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna let them do their thing and 980 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna come after or go first. He said, 981 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to be in the middle of whatever 982 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: it is that they're doing, you know, because we actually 983 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: did it in l a and then we big recorded 984 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: his daddy's house in New York. So but that's like 985 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: I said, that day was like them guys was talented. 986 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: Like I seen this dude dust off a bottle and 987 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: go and I don't know which one of the bones 988 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: he got, no doubt it was he When I say 989 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: he went in and like and then even though like 990 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: the way the hook came. I remember them with them 991 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: being inside there was like equally inside was all equal 992 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: to side to meet each other and sold. Um. One 993 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: of them was just saying like, oh shoot, I can't believe. 994 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: It's just like it's like it's like it's bone and biggie. Yo. 995 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: It's like damn, it's boning biggie like he kept saying it, 996 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 1: kept saying it. Then they just started, like I said, 997 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 1: them guys was different. Yeah, so they started like, you know, 998 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: boning a biggie biggie bones. Then then um, that's like okay, 999 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: so what you're thinking about the hook? Big Big was 1000 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,959 Speaker 1: like that, like what, like what you've been talking about 1001 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: for the past ten minutes? You know, it's boning biggie 1002 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: And then it just went in did the joint. Later 1003 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: down we took the song back to New York and 1004 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: Big Ladies Verse was jay around you guys a lot, 1005 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: because you know, it's a lot to talk about their relationship, 1006 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: you know. And definitely we used to make it our 1007 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: business to to at least eat before everybody started getting busy. 1008 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: We were all break bread like at least once a 1009 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: week somewhere, like even if it was us going to 1010 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: like he might be in Miami, you know what we're 1011 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: doing it we meet in Miami eat New York. We 1012 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: were always yeah, definitely fun with j J Hard that's 1013 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: my boy. It seemed like there was a lot of 1014 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: friends on stage at the source of wards though, man, 1015 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of friends on stay what did you 1016 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: make about that whole night? It was fun. It was 1017 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: fun to me. We're talking about the show was that 1018 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: same year we did it? Yeah, but did yeah, and 1019 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: that was the only Yeah, yeah, that's it was. It 1020 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 1: was you feel attention in the airy d rock It was. 1021 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: It was. It was thicking there, but it wasn't it 1022 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: was to me, it wasn't like a real thick. It 1023 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: was like a like an industry thick, like like a 1024 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: music type. There wasn't one of them situation because if 1025 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: it was, you know, it wouldn't really be on stage 1026 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: talking like that anyway. So it was more or less 1027 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: of us, So you do the difference in fact, Yeah, 1028 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: that's crazy. So but but there wasn't no I guess 1029 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: any high still. I mean, there was hostile in the air, 1030 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: but nothing towards the camp or anything like that, like 1031 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: a problem. I mean, I guess, but like I said, 1032 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't really it wasn't enough. It wasn't really like 1033 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: I wasn't tripping like I said that whole. I was 1034 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: just more excited that like it was actually winning a war, 1035 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: like it so well. I would just like, oh ship, 1036 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: like I'm still like I said, we were still learning 1037 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: it as as everything happened so fast, like it was 1038 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: just like so compact and you know what I mean. 1039 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: But literally we know we was writing the blueprint for 1040 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,919 Speaker 1: people you to this day. You know what I'm saying. 1041 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: You said that you had to put something up about 1042 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: I guess that arrested the Palladium and you were saying 1043 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: some about how you guys were learning the game while 1044 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: you was in it. Like looking back on it now, 1045 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 1: I just wasn't ready, I guess, like because back then 1046 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 1: we thought we were good, like you know what I mean. 1047 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: So it was like how like like how the still 1048 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: going to jail like right now, like like like what 1049 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: are we doing? Like you know what I'm saying, Like 1050 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: even with the the the fucking you tonight with all Kelly, 1051 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: like that was like straight from getting billed out of jail, 1052 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: like they had ran up in the house and tea 1053 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: neck New Jersey and had brought them up on all 1054 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: them weapon charges and stuff like that, and they got 1055 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: in the bell and everybody out and it was like 1056 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: literally sitting outside the priest and like, Yo, we're gonna 1057 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: do now. Like I'm like, he was like, we gotta 1058 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: go to studio. It's like I'm talking about no shoe strings, 1059 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: no belts, you know, they take all that ship. We 1060 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: even wait for that ship went straight to the studio 1061 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,439 Speaker 1: and just so happened, were getting out of a cab 1062 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: all Kelly's coming down steps, let mean, coming off the 1063 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: elevator and it was like, yeah, I want you to 1064 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: hear something took him up there. Kelly Win was like, yeah, 1065 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: I gotta catch your fly. But went in the booth 1066 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: and just did the Harminy to fucking you tonight. Not 1067 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: at all, that's crazy. That definitely a great album. It's 1068 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: got great stories. Wow. But you did he record a 1069 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: lot of that in l A Or was it here 1070 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: in New York? That album New York York. Yeah, we 1071 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: did a lot of it, yea, just like the last few, 1072 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: like the uh Benjamin's remixed a couple of joints we 1073 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: did out there. Victory I believe right, Yeah Victory remember 1074 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: that night? Yeah all right? Like I said, as far 1075 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: as like it was for me, it's like a sus 1076 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: too much? Do you too much to even tell? Like 1077 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: each record is a story for me. There's not one 1078 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: recording session that we did that ain't nothing crazy happened, 1079 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: but not even in a bad way, just crazy good way. 1080 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: But I got one for you because Toddle was the 1081 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: streaming says, what's the what's the d rock biggie EP? 1082 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: What's the five songs that they really stick out there 1083 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 1: that your personal favorites? My perfect catog every day struggle? Nobody, 1084 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: um Juicy Juicy? Uh wait, say a little about East's 1085 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: why every day struggle? People do TV shows that out 1086 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: of that? Now video shows no? Because that's like that, 1087 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Like that. The first three lines 1088 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: of the song was like what we was going through, 1089 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: Like I know how it feels to wake up fucked up? 1090 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: That was it, Like you know how it feels to 1091 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: wake up fucked up? Like we know what I mean 1092 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: he was going through it, like so you know, and 1093 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: then um juicy just because I knew but didn't know, 1094 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: like not saying I like saying I didn't like the song. 1095 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: I love the song, but I see why the song 1096 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: was necessary, Like you know what I'm saying. It was 1097 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: just like that. And then um, you said you nobody, nobody. 1098 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: That's just hard. That's just like my ship, um pray 1099 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,719 Speaker 1: um unbelievables. I got mortified that I can't do that. 1100 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: I got a lot of I got a lot of 1101 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: joints stuff. Remember, unbelievable. He was saying he wanted premier 1102 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: so bad. He was like, yo, just loop up in peace, 1103 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: the president whatever, give me something like that. That's when 1104 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: we're actually unbelievable. When I was like, oh ship, m 1105 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: like oh ship, like snig snicking from getting busy right now, 1106 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: Like that's when we kind of woke up like you 1107 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Well, not for me, you know 1108 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: what I mean? That was because I never this is 1109 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: hard when you grow up with somebody to see they 1110 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: not saying not to see their talent, but like he 1111 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: used to bug me out to see people like bugging 1112 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: out over that's crazy, like good, like yo, that's crazy. 1113 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Just the whole just 1114 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: the whole ship, like he went in like that's when actually, 1115 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: that's when a lot of people kind of started treating 1116 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: us a little different, like, oh, ship, he's arrived, Like 1117 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: this dude is a real deal, Like you know what 1118 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: I means. Like we started seeing how things started moving, 1119 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: and he was kind of learning, like really the first 1120 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,919 Speaker 1: recording um the beginning quarter stages of Life after Death 1121 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: is win. We was like we was on point, Like 1122 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: we knew what we was getting into. We knew the 1123 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: game all right, we already have went through a fast 1124 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: preview of it. We're ready to die now, you know. 1125 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we're about to plan our flag and you know, 1126 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: and do what we need to do. That we had 1127 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: to do was saying something that he had said something 1128 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,399 Speaker 1: the doctor that the rated that was the inside looking 1129 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: out and this was the outside looking in. That's how 1130 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,919 Speaker 1: it felt. That's how it felt. That's how I felt. Right, Well, 1131 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 1: it's been twenty one years, you know, since Biggy's passing. 1132 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: Is it hard to go back to cali um kind 1133 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: of disorder? Like like, mmmm, it's not hard to go back, 1134 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: but it's just like you know, when you when you're 1135 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: down there, you just be like, damn, this is like 1136 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's a little different from me. Like I 1137 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: was in a car with him, so you know what 1138 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, So like his like I know what his 1139 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 1: last breath was, like, I know what his face looked 1140 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 1: like his mom, I don't know, I was there, you 1141 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I explained to her like how 1142 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 1: that how that works. So it's like it's a little 1143 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: different for me personally. That's how I feel about the celebration, 1144 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: like from Marsh ninth, Like it's like not saying overlook it. 1145 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You have to acknowledge it. 1146 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But it's like to me, 1147 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a celebration. It's too depressing for me, 1148 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But now you know, I 1149 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: think that's time. Do you just reflect and thank God 1150 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: for your blessings. That's what Marsh Knife needs to be 1151 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: to be thanking God for your blessings that you're still here, 1152 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 1: Like you want a party of this party made twenty 1153 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: one life. No, that's just me like you like you 1154 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: do every other I com Yeah, you know. It's a 1155 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: tough also because even now there's still so much about 1156 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: how it's unsolved and it's all expected. Is there justice 1157 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,479 Speaker 1: to your mind that there needs to be somebody that's 1158 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: heels accountable, gave their closure in a sense for you 1159 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: if they never felt nobody definitely not no closure. No closure, man, 1160 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they will be. You know. I 1161 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: can't sneak through life. Everybody gotta show face. It's one 1162 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,080 Speaker 1: thing you can't do is sneak to life. Rather be 1163 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: on a knife the nine day, whatever it is you're 1164 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna have to show face. Nobody can sneak 1165 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: through life. So that's no I'm big on that, you know. 1166 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: Like they say, if you can look yourself in the mirror, 1167 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: that means you're good. You know what I mean. If 1168 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: you can look yourself in your mirror, that means you 1169 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: can live your life all over again. I live my 1170 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: life all over again when I brush my teeth in 1171 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,520 Speaker 1: the morning because I could look in the mirror. I 1172 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: ain't gotta put my head down. I ain't gotta do 1173 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: none of that. Ship I'm good. So even the mistakes 1174 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: you've made in times and these periods you've had to 1175 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,920 Speaker 1: go away, Like sometimes you gotta do something wrong to 1176 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,319 Speaker 1: make it right, you know, right, and sometimes you gotta 1177 00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: do But that's the thing, the thing that people give 1178 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: me my props for all that stuff is like one 1179 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: of the worst things in my life. I wish I 1180 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: never took that motherfucking bit that maybe a beer, you know. 1181 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I wish I never went to jail for that, 1182 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's bigger than that, you know. 1183 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't even like you know. So that's 1184 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: how life is. I guess the thing that people think 1185 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: is like that ship is like the worst ship. I mean, 1186 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: that's the ship that people always Oh, man, you know 1187 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: you're a good dude, stand up. Yeah, okay, but I 1188 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 1: still don't, you know, bring back my boy that still 1189 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: don't you know what I mean. He ain't there for 1190 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: his kids but with his mom. So just different for me, 1191 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But so that's my thing. 1192 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not trying to downplay March ninth, 1193 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 1: but that ship is fucking depressing. I don't want to 1194 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: keep going through that ship every fucking year. And depression 1195 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: is real. You can be depressed and you sail like 1196 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 1: your person. Like you see a lot of people saying 1197 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,320 Speaker 1: about being positive. Now, it seemed like you, like you 1198 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: said you you you was probably different positive. It just 1199 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,839 Speaker 1: don't look like that. Tell me. I'm I'm a real 1200 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: positive person. Yeah I am. I don't barely talk, you 1201 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I know I stayed to myself 1202 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. I'm always positive, you know, 1203 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: but I just don't, like, you know, things just don't 1204 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,319 Speaker 1: feel right sometimes you know, it's it's it ain't right. 1205 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: Usually it's not right. But how did you cope following 1206 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,839 Speaker 1: you know, the events that happened? Ah? Man, I mean, 1207 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: I really see it's hard, like when you used to 1208 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 1: be in the backbone and strong. You gotta be strong 1209 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: for everybody else ship like that. Like even back then, 1210 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: it was like I couldn't cry, Like I would have 1211 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: to cry in the shower. It's like, motherfucker's see me 1212 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: cries like oh God, Like you know what I'm saying. 1213 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 1: It's like you gotta be strong for everybody else's trying 1214 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: to you know. But like I said, I don't I 1215 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: think I was depressed. I might have been depressed for 1216 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,359 Speaker 1: a few years. To be honest with you, like I saw, 1217 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: I said, I think depression is real, like you might 1218 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,360 Speaker 1: not know it, like when you the press might not 1219 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's like when the press walk around with 1220 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: your head down. I was still ripping a run and 1221 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,960 Speaker 1: do what I need to do. But it's like you 1222 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: blocked certain things out, like you know what I mean, 1223 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: there's certain things you know, you just try to block 1224 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,319 Speaker 1: it out. Let's try to stay busy. What's therapy an 1225 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: option for you or anything like that? Nahm hmm. But 1226 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,840 Speaker 1: you also took it to Hay. Nobody even told me 1227 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: because I don't know how I would even but it 1228 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: took it. If somebody like you need to go to 1229 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: therapy or something. I mean, you witness your best friend 1230 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: get killed in front of you. That's a traumatic event. 1231 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,400 Speaker 1: But I know I didn't. I didn't really want to 1232 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: um participate in the music industry no more, that's for sure. 1233 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: Like I was like I didn't even make no sense 1234 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: to me even be I felt cheated, like you know 1235 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: what I mean, like when I did all this ship 1236 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: for nothing? You know what I mean, It's like, we 1237 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: don't did all this ship fucking nothing, man, But then 1238 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,719 Speaker 1: you ended up still doing it even on a high level, 1239 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,439 Speaker 1: like like the Kim had to make another album, second album, 1240 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: Tom and you that was like, honestly, give that, like 1241 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: give that to like um the dude, um on and 1242 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,520 Speaker 1: and and puff They was like, um, yoda, you know 1243 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people's word about me. So they was like, yo, 1244 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: look man, this what you need to do. I just 1245 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 1: started management company. Do this, do that, dad that, And 1246 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: then you know I'm saying, kind of got me back 1247 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,680 Speaker 1: into Yeah. I was like I was. I was over, 1248 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,120 Speaker 1: like I could care less. I was already thinking about 1249 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,320 Speaker 1: how I'm gonna like you know what I mean, just 1250 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: like okay, everybody got to pay us. So everybody was 1251 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: everybody's fault to me, you know what I mean, it's 1252 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 1: everybody's fault, everybody fault. So but then I was just 1253 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: like no, I can't be like that, you know. So 1254 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: it took me a minute to fight with that, but 1255 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 1: then realized like fucking depressed. Man. I was just like 1256 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, when you go out, you see certain ships, 1257 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,919 Speaker 1: you hear songs, and you just always wonder like, damn, 1258 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,800 Speaker 1: my boy was here. I know I wouldn't be doing this, 1259 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: like I know what we would be like, you know 1260 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like about about seven years ago, took 1261 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,359 Speaker 1: a trip to Bora, Bora. I sweel like everybody going 1262 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: down like that. I've been there about seven eight years ago. 1263 00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:00,640 Speaker 1: But um, I realized that like you know, like this 1264 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 1: is like you know, we this is ship. We used 1265 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: to talk about taking trips, like going places like that, 1266 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, so yeah, but um, 1267 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 1: that's not realized. It was like, you know what, I 1268 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: just gotta start, you know, just start living like you know, 1269 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: just stop living, just doing what I need to do. 1270 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: But even then it was still hard because then you 1271 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: might be good and then this time of year rose around, 1272 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: then you want your bounce back from this. Guess what 1273 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: since the day's birthday is here again, you know what 1274 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean? Then, you know. So it's like I said, 1275 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: I know to deal with it now though, but the 1276 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: thing is now it's a major, major, major part of 1277 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 1: dealing with this for me being around real people this 1278 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: time of year and not the phony b i g. 1279 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: Celebrators that you only hear from this time of year. 1280 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: There's people that I only speak to that's coming up 1281 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: this week. They'll probably be calling me, you know what 1282 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's like, 1283 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's why I really kind of shot away 1284 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 1: from the interviews and stuff like that, because it's like, 1285 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,000 Speaker 1: when you look at the interview some of the people 1286 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: that be honest, Like you're not even talking like real ship, 1287 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: Like you ain't really checking on these families. You ain't. 1288 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: You ain't checking on do kids? And you know what 1289 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Like you ain't. You ain't doing that, but 1290 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: you on the interview every you know, every year. Like 1291 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: so I didn't want to really be a part of 1292 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 1: that type of stuff, you know what I'm saying. But 1293 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: the ones that do is the ones that I funk 1294 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,040 Speaker 1: with today that's still here people in Like I mean, 1295 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 1: Puff definitely checks on your mama bear. You know what 1296 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying. J You know what I mean. As far 1297 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: as on that level that people would know, you know 1298 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that matters, you know what I'm saying. 1299 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: Like they do what they're supposed to do, you know 1300 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 1: what I mean. But there's a bunch of people that do, 1301 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 1: but then there's a bunch of people that don't. Those 1302 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: are one, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's 1303 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: like it's kind of weird. It's like a weird space. 1304 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: So I just it's weird. I stay out of it. Yeah, 1305 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: it's gotta be weird. Like my wife actually grew up 1306 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: on POC so, like, you know, somebody in real life, 1307 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 1: but then this person becomes a person to them and 1308 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,560 Speaker 1: it's not even a human anymore. It's like, so your 1309 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: memories like you know, the real person you dealt with, 1310 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: the real man. That's how I feel about like like 1311 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,720 Speaker 1: the footage and stuff. I'll be like, I don't know, 1312 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't have to share that. What everybody's that's my ship, right, No, 1313 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: let me read your diary. Then it's just that my 1314 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: diary is a visual you know most people diaries pictures 1315 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,160 Speaker 1: or what they write like that type of stuff is 1316 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: I look at it now, it's like it's like my 1317 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,640 Speaker 1: diaries like it's my life. It's it's not, it's what 1318 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,560 Speaker 1: I've been through. That's why I said, for me to 1319 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:22,320 Speaker 1: tell a story, there's like I mean, I can't tell 1320 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,800 Speaker 1: a story without mentioning the people that was in our life, 1321 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: regardless of what it is. Like if I told her, 1322 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: if I did a story, I would have to mention 1323 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: the puffs, the jay's, the nads like like I would 1324 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: have to mention them because it's part of my my life. 1325 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,560 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. We actually funk with 1326 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,439 Speaker 1: each other, you know what I'm saying, or we don't 1327 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 1: had some type of connection, like you know what I mean? 1328 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: That was you know, pivotal. So but was it tough 1329 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 1: to stay in California following the murder? Yeah? Right, I 1330 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 1: know everybody left. I stayed. I don't know, I know 1331 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 1: everybody left. I waited for Mama Bear to come down. 1332 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: That's wallows. I waited for her to come down and um, 1333 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: like straight out of a movie, like literally seen them 1334 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,480 Speaker 1: put the silver casket on the plane on the commercial flight, 1335 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: looking out the window. Like. I stayed with her, and 1336 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,920 Speaker 1: I was like crazy. That night was crazy though, but 1337 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,680 Speaker 1: you know it is what it is. Man, h that 1338 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: was like a crazy night. But I definitely stayed and 1339 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: waited for her, you know I mean, I was like, 1340 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: if we're dead alive, I can't leave. I can't leave 1341 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: my boy out. Yeah well you were at the time 1342 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: where you upset that puff left early. Um no, actually 1343 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: I wanted him to leave, you know what I mean. 1344 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: I told him because he was offering to stay, like everybody. 1345 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: I was like, you, I should just go leaves him, 1346 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like you should get out. 1347 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,240 Speaker 1: It's never used for you to be out here. Anything 1348 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,040 Speaker 1: you can do, you know what I mean? Like we 1349 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: don't even know what happened to him. So the last 1350 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,240 Speaker 1: thing we needed you to be down here, you know 1351 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: what I mean? But yeah, but he left, right, yeah, 1352 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,040 Speaker 1: he left. You think the period after the big passing, 1353 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 1: when you got into management, you was like working to 1354 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: music with Season Kim and getting those records out. You 1355 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: were just running on adrenaline. Like what was your mind? 1356 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Stay back then? You think adrenaline, I said, Coping Withold 1357 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 1: It just trying to stay busy, trying to stay busy, 1358 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: like kind of doing anything to just you know, not 1359 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: think about that and trying to move on. I was 1360 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: just like the hardest part is like you always feel 1361 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: guilty for things. Like at some point I was thinking, 1362 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: like even now being in l A, I was like, damn, 1363 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of feel guilty for even being down Here's like, 1364 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,440 Speaker 1: am I supposed to be down here? Like you know 1365 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like like that, But it's like, of 1366 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: course I'm supposed to be down here, like you know 1367 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm supposed to keep keep pushing, 1368 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: keep you know, keep doing this is what we're doing. 1369 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,280 Speaker 1: So but you know, like I said, a lot of 1370 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: that ship is depressing. But yeah, you know the first 1371 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: part is knowing it, you know what I mean, You 1372 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,760 Speaker 1: gotta you know. I think it's in the rest of 1373 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: a puff too that people may not may not want 1374 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,560 Speaker 1: to believe how much it still is part of him, 1375 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think that he 1376 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: often expresses it, that it's something that he still has 1377 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: to cope with, like it never like you know, people say, 1378 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,920 Speaker 1: all right, dealing with deaf never gets easy. Is I mean? 1379 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: It's it's not. It doesn't get better. It's just coping 1380 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: with a difference. You can cope with it better, but 1381 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,640 Speaker 1: you can never can't get over and you can't get 1382 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: over losing somebody you know, regardless of who it is. 1383 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 1: If somebody you know love him, care about somebody you know, 1384 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,240 Speaker 1: can't get over it. It's just different ways to just 1385 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 1: deal with it better. Do you think it's harder, especially 1386 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: being that your friend is an icon famous? You know, 1387 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,360 Speaker 1: we've all experienced losses, But when someone is so you know, 1388 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: while he known, is it harder because he still feels alive? 1389 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Now for me, it's going places where we've been, like today, 1390 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: how to go to Rochester Bigger Toll to get a shirt, no, 1391 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,440 Speaker 1: a jacket. But it's the same one that we used 1392 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 1: to go to when big was allowed, the same Rochester, 1393 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,640 Speaker 1: big and Tall, the same so and it's the same 1394 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: people that worked there. So when they see me or 1395 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: they see they'd be like, oh ship, like yo, what's 1396 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: up all the places we used to eat? You know 1397 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like little stuff like that that's hard, 1398 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or when I like like 1399 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: and um, nobody when he says four four and fifty 1400 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,040 Speaker 1: four drawers, like that's true, he wore fifty four sized 1401 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 1: draws and we see getting from Rochester. So like going 1402 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,040 Speaker 1: in there today, remmy or hops like down like to 1403 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 1: go over there, you know, me snatch up about ten 1404 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: packs of fifty four draws for him and you know 1405 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, just getting like just little stuff like 1406 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: that that I do. That that stresses me out more 1407 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: than no other ship like that, or seeing his kids 1408 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,840 Speaker 1: like you know, see c J shipped like that, like 1409 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 1: he didn't really had a chance to you know what 1410 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, like like but just just like him. He 1411 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,080 Speaker 1: don't even know it though, but little stuff you do 1412 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 1: with daughters like he'd be proud. But that's what really 1413 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: gets me, just you know, retracking places that We've been 1414 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: other lines like that, the lyrical references that maybe they 1415 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,920 Speaker 1: stick to you wanted. Maybe even average fan doesn't know Yep, 1416 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,600 Speaker 1: something Blanco sent you Mond you. My son had to 1417 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,400 Speaker 1: tell me that. When he was a kid, I thought 1418 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: Blanco was black, but it was white Spanish. I learned 1419 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,280 Speaker 1: that after the fact, you know what I mean. And 1420 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 1: he was telling me Yo. I was like, yeah, I 1421 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 1: was like, telling Blanco sent you. So I was like, yeah, 1422 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm telling my sounds like that's black. He's like, no, Dad, 1423 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,919 Speaker 1: that's white. I was like, it's blanco, Blanco was white. 1424 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Blanco black, blanc or whatever. He was like no. 1425 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: If the son was crying because he just learned it 1426 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,800 Speaker 1: in school that day. The Spanish. He might have been 1427 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: about seven, about seven years old. So he was like, no, Daddy, 1428 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Blanco means white. Then it made sense. 1429 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, frank white, got you all right, son, 1430 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,880 Speaker 1: You're right. Whip made sense to me, you know what 1431 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like like little things like it's 1432 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: like certain things, certain things, and then certain like I said, 1433 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: certain songs, like I know I see like one of 1434 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: the performances, I forget one one of them soul trained performances. 1435 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,000 Speaker 1: We had like to suit on. They didn't have his 1436 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: shoes and I always see this performance when they run 1437 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,760 Speaker 1: and so he had on like one of the security shoes, 1438 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: but he was walking on the back of him. It's 1439 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,880 Speaker 1: like out of this whole big thing, like nobody don't 1440 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,960 Speaker 1: even know, Like he ain't even got no shoes on. 1441 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:51,920 Speaker 1: Just like it be like little stuff like you know, 1442 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean, little stuff that gets me, don't It's always 1443 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,560 Speaker 1: the little things that gave men't really nothing major, man, 1444 01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,600 Speaker 1: It's always a little things that no that gets you. Right. 1445 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,800 Speaker 1: But also talking about little Kim, you know, her and Seas, 1446 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 1: they had like a little back and forth. You know, 1447 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,680 Speaker 1: what did you make of that whole situation? I mean 1448 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: that's like basically what everybody like at that time. Everybody 1449 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,600 Speaker 1: was trying to find for theirselves and you know, like 1450 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to It was it was hard. 1451 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: It was hard. It was hard for everybody. Like the 1452 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: mafia broke up, like you know what I mean. Kim 1453 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 1: was just next up obviously, like you know what I mean. 1454 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: So it was just like you know, there's a difference, 1455 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: like now you you appreciate what Big was doing. It's 1456 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,280 Speaker 1: like he was carrying a lot of weight, you know 1457 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, carrying a lot of people, like because 1458 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:47,800 Speaker 1: technically Big Gout four albums out, Hardcore Junior Mafia, right, 1459 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: so you know, so he has a few albums out 1460 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 1: that nobody seems to want to acknowledge. That's what it is, right, 1461 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: But during the whole a little Kim hotten on the 1462 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: seven situation, what was going through your mind? The rock, 1463 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know if that 1464 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: was even over. I found that out like later, I 1465 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,320 Speaker 1: don't I don't even know. Right that holds Like I said, 1466 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: that was a gift and the curse. It was a 1467 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 1: blessing in disguise, you know how so because um, everybody 1468 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,560 Speaker 1: needs to grow up. Everybody needs to grow up then, 1469 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,560 Speaker 1: so you know, adversity came and everybody had to you 1470 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean, I had to grow up, had 1471 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: to who the own right, you know what I mean? 1472 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 1: So things, I mean, things could have worked out a 1473 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,400 Speaker 1: little bit better, you know, but I mean it didn't, 1474 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,480 Speaker 1: but it did. Like today, people speak everything, so you 1475 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,560 Speaker 1: better terms because I thought, yeah, I speak yeah, Kim. 1476 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Kim went over and said, how do you at the 1477 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,640 Speaker 1: bar when you Yeah, we were just on. We just 1478 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,320 Speaker 1: did this, you know, just to together. You know, we speak, 1479 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 1: I speak to Sees, I speak to her. No, I 1480 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 1: speak like I said, I don't got no problems with nobody, 1481 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,040 Speaker 1: you know. I was surprised at the tour I of 1482 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,880 Speaker 1: her and Sees on the same stage. I was like, Wow, 1483 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 1: we haven't seen that in years. So I was prossed. 1484 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: And I also saw a picture last year with you 1485 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,560 Speaker 1: and Nori. Yep, how did that? At Puff's house. I 1486 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: came because I think he has something he does with 1487 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Puffy has to drink, to drink, drink, So he was 1488 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,240 Speaker 1: over there and then um, and actually that was like 1489 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe it might been my first time seeing him since 1490 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: since since the whole thing. So it was kind of 1491 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,400 Speaker 1: funny though, like you know what I mean, It was like, oh, 1492 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: so we took the pick and then um, you know, 1493 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,120 Speaker 1: that was it, man. But I just gotta like I said, 1494 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,400 Speaker 1: that was the time. Then That's why I know. The 1495 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,640 Speaker 1: point is the most important is knowing how to move 1496 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: forward and you know what I mean, and grow from it, 1497 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's that situation. What was that, 1498 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: like you said about when you first came home and 1499 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: Biggie was there for you. What was your life like 1500 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,160 Speaker 1: when you first Oh you said with the show with 1501 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,080 Speaker 1: the arc with the T shirts, like the same thing. 1502 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Both times you hit the ground running. And so the 1503 01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,040 Speaker 1: first time, like I said, big had me and then 1504 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 1: um that one there puff puff got me, Well there 1505 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 1: puff grabbed me, you know, and make sure I was straight, 1506 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,919 Speaker 1: make sure I had a job, make sure that people 1507 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,760 Speaker 1: was off my back, you know what I mean? And 1508 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,040 Speaker 1: then rocking ever since because you were sent away for 1509 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,640 Speaker 1: how many years for that situation? For ninety seven situations? 1510 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Like six six and a half? Wow, like six and 1511 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,960 Speaker 1: a half year. Yeah, how did you deal with that? 1512 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,519 Speaker 1: How did you get through that sentence? No? Tv uh 1513 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,120 Speaker 1: just I mean, just know when it could be worse, 1514 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,519 Speaker 1: because that's one thing about that situation. There's always somebody 1515 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: in the worse situation, didn't you You know what I mean? 1516 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,720 Speaker 1: For the person that got five years, the person that 1517 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,800 Speaker 1: got ten, the person I got ten is one I 1518 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,240 Speaker 1: got twenty. But the one that has life is when 1519 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: I got double life. For the one I got double life, 1520 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: and motherfucker on death row for the one that's on 1521 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 1: death row. It's one way and to get killed, So 1522 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,960 Speaker 1: there's always you know what it means, you just always 1523 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 1: gotta make sure you're there's always somebody in the worst 1524 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,160 Speaker 1: situation than you, you know, and just make sure that. 1525 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,200 Speaker 1: But like I said, that goes again. If you're a 1526 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,519 Speaker 1: good person, you always gonna be all right half the time. 1527 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Like I don't expect nothing for nobody's you know, I 1528 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: just know I ain't got to ask on my report casts, 1529 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: So I'm good, you know, son, Yeah, you know what 1530 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like at least I know that much. 1531 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,040 Speaker 1: They're all good people left, so you know, I don't 1532 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,640 Speaker 1: have I don't really trip off stuff like that. So 1533 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: why you're back into music? Man? What did you see 1534 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,439 Speaker 1: in this chrismatic kid? Like? What was this number? One? 1535 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,439 Speaker 1: Like I said, it was clean? He was clean, you 1536 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean? It was different. Like what people 1537 01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,519 Speaker 1: don't do these days is like you know, like back 1538 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:39,080 Speaker 1: in the nineties whatever, you actually had artists development where 1539 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,639 Speaker 1: you can get an artist, chill with them, get them together. 1540 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,200 Speaker 1: Now it's just like every new artist like got where 1541 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 1: your head out there? Yeah, like like like twenty new 1542 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,280 Speaker 1: chains and and and a fleet of race. So my 1543 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,000 Speaker 1: thing is, like, why are you rapping. You should stick 1544 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,320 Speaker 1: to what you're doing because this is this game is hard. 1545 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Like if you if this is your first video and 1546 01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,640 Speaker 1: then you're doing this type of stuff, you should the 1547 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,680 Speaker 1: way look, you should stay doing what you're doing. You 1548 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,880 Speaker 1: should not you know, you shouldn't be doing this. Just 1549 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,519 Speaker 1: like he was clean and like I said, I said, 1550 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 1: you know what, I can develop him. I'm not saying 1551 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: all right from the jail, Okay, this is what we're 1552 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,640 Speaker 1: doing now that but I see something in them that 1553 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,760 Speaker 1: I know and in a few months time, we're coming. 1554 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,840 Speaker 1: So he approached you. I'm sure a lot of people 1555 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,720 Speaker 1: his people see my people's and got it to men. Yeah, 1556 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. His people seeing my people 1557 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:28,559 Speaker 1: and got it to me, you know what I mean. 1558 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:30,760 Speaker 1: And that's how you know. And I was getting like 1559 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: a lot of different things because I was already inquiring 1560 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,679 Speaker 1: about just trying to you know, trying to get something, 1561 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,680 Speaker 1: and that felt that that got to my hands and 1562 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,880 Speaker 1: then it all just worked out right. Then I met him, 1563 01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,599 Speaker 1: we spoke, you know what I mean, good energy, good heart, 1564 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,000 Speaker 1: good kids like so you know nice. So I was like, 1565 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,719 Speaker 1: you know that was like that was that was Current 1566 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Songs Calories right, just called calories. Were just doing like 1567 01:10:53,520 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: a like a freestyle pack, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, 1568 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,599 Speaker 1: pay homage to New York. We're gonna drop two more 1569 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to more freestyle videos and 1570 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,000 Speaker 1: then we're gonna get to it. I just want to 1571 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,760 Speaker 1: pay homage just to the game to like, you know, 1572 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: there are people that's actually trying to you know, wrap 1573 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,280 Speaker 1: and trying to be original, you know what I mean. 1574 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,639 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, it's it's important. You know, the game 1575 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,559 Speaker 1: don't change, just the players, you know how that goes, 1576 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,679 Speaker 1: but the blueprint stays the same. Like so just trying 1577 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,600 Speaker 1: to like I said, it's in development stages. We're just 1578 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,120 Speaker 1: trying to do what they need to do. It seems 1579 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,880 Speaker 1: like you said heavy development because you was doing all 1580 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,280 Speaker 1: these photos, shoes, different things, Like you really push yourself 1581 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,000 Speaker 1: and what the imaging should be, how it should look. 1582 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,280 Speaker 1: Do you feel you know, why is that so important 1583 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,760 Speaker 1: for you to get that to stroll with any first 1584 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,640 Speaker 1: idea you have. It seems like you're really going through. 1585 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta grow. I think that's what a 1586 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,000 Speaker 1: lot of things are missing these days, nobody having nobody 1587 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,599 Speaker 1: to grow with. There's no connection, like not to bring 1588 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,800 Speaker 1: it back to Big, but like with Juicy, you've seen 1589 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,600 Speaker 1: the difference, like he was walking down the street in 1590 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,240 Speaker 1: the white T shirt, genees like you actually can grow 1591 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,200 Speaker 1: with somebody. You've seen the growth, Like nobody can grow 1592 01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,599 Speaker 1: with an artist these days. Everybody's starting off at the top. 1593 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,679 Speaker 1: You need somebody to grow with. You gotta grow with somebody. 1594 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: That's how you That's called a fan base. That's how 1595 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,040 Speaker 1: you build your fan base, you know what I mean. 1596 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,519 Speaker 1: You need somebody to grow with, just you know, so 1597 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,240 Speaker 1: they can you know, that's just my opinion, that's how 1598 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I feel. So I guess we would have to ask him, 1599 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,559 Speaker 1: But are you putting the same pressure on because I mean, 1600 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,680 Speaker 1: your friends were one of the greatest rappers ever. You're 1601 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,160 Speaker 1: starting to do label with the new artists. So it's like, 1602 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:23,960 Speaker 1: do you have put that pressure on him to be 1603 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,000 Speaker 1: as nice as Big or um No, I mean, nobody's 1604 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,280 Speaker 1: gonna be as nice as Big. That's you know, that's 1605 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,080 Speaker 1: just Big. That ain't gonna happen. Because we're talking about 1606 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: different things, you know what I mean, Like I's saying 1607 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: to you before this it's a whole different era. But 1608 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: one thing like I said, what I do know just 1609 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,320 Speaker 1: my peers, I know music. I love music. I know 1610 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. I know the vision. I can see 1611 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,439 Speaker 1: past that, you know what I mean. Like I said, 1612 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,879 Speaker 1: I've been in JA sessions. I've been in puff sessions, 1613 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,600 Speaker 1: big sessions, Nah sessions. I've been in you know what 1614 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean, bone thug like I've been around the greats 1615 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,639 Speaker 1: that's actually move and shake the game. So that much. 1616 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,080 Speaker 1: I do know. I know music when I hear it. 1617 01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,600 Speaker 1: What do you think that what are some of the 1618 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,160 Speaker 1: things that new generation really just hasn't connected to it, 1619 01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,679 Speaker 1: they get wrong that they can learn from that. Six 1620 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:18,599 Speaker 1: outs for you based on those experiences rapping, just having yeah, 1621 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,360 Speaker 1: just having something you know to basically you know, talk 1622 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,479 Speaker 1: about and not to even knock that type of stifically, 1623 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, because that's what it is. A new it's 1624 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,040 Speaker 1: a new generation. There's a new generation if they listen 1625 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,120 Speaker 1: to But you gotta least stick to the basics when 1626 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,519 Speaker 1: you're making music. Is make the music. You know, you 1627 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,080 Speaker 1: can't skip that part. You have to you know, you 1628 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,600 Speaker 1: have to be able to rap, right, I think you 1629 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 1: just like you know what I mean, you know you 1630 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 1: have to make a song. That's why, you know, like 1631 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,680 Speaker 1: I said, so focus so much on the hook and 1632 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,919 Speaker 1: the beats, you have to have all the other components 1633 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,680 Speaker 1: and a bit more to it. There's way more to it. 1634 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,439 Speaker 1: But is that also because at the end of day, 1635 01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, with you contributed to is and it witness 1636 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,439 Speaker 1: this timeless music. Do you think that people are going 1637 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,360 Speaker 1: fit out or they're going for the hit of that moment? 1638 01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,400 Speaker 1: And maybe that's part of what the disconnect is. I mean, yeah, 1639 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,160 Speaker 1: but that's what wins. You've got to be able to 1640 01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,600 Speaker 1: stand the test of time. You know, you have to 1641 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,200 Speaker 1: stay in the test time. If that's the case, nothing 1642 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 1: else matters. If you're not gonna be there in the 1643 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,120 Speaker 1: long run, why do it makes sense? You know? Why 1644 01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,680 Speaker 1: do it? To bed Box Top five? M C is big, 1645 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,200 Speaker 1: He's number one, So who's next? I don't know, that's hard. 1646 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's because I sound like it's because it's 1647 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,920 Speaker 1: just sounds like like like the rest coming from me, 1648 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I mean from my time 1649 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: before or now, like you know, it's a little you know, 1650 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,720 Speaker 1: of course, my Biggie jay Z and NS right got 1651 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 1: to go there, you know what I'm saying. And then 1652 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:53,840 Speaker 1: um Drake mm hmm. I mean, dude, it's nice like 1653 01:14:53,920 --> 01:15:00,280 Speaker 1: you can't take nothing from him? Um who else? M 1654 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:04,680 Speaker 1: hm m m so I got a few, but I 1655 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,240 Speaker 1: know me saying this is so political, you know what 1656 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean my personal favorites. Okay, well I got Big 1657 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 1: j Nas, Chrismatock, King Combs. Okay, the young boy got it. Yeah, 1658 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:33,639 Speaker 1: he's different. Uh into the throne. M that's pretty I'm 1659 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: probably be in trouble for you know, this guy gets 1660 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,680 Speaker 1: in trouble because he keeps as sistem that makes him 1661 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: and made battle over. What makes his places is a 1662 01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:48,200 Speaker 1: bad boy, A top five bad boy mcs in your mind. 1663 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Obviously Big is the top of the list. But who 1664 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,400 Speaker 1: do you look at your top five dat bad boy rappers? 1665 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean he only have five, right, You're definitely gonna 1666 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: get in trouble that you got the locks. I know that. 1667 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm talking about. Now. He puts like 1668 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,760 Speaker 1: a g Dapper, but he basically puts base down. He 1669 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,120 Speaker 1: puts a GDP a black rob above Mace. I say 1670 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,439 Speaker 1: bass like number three, not him. Charlottn puts in black 1671 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Robber above May. So the argument is with me, and 1672 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:19,920 Speaker 1: then you compare a Mace to Styles and kids who 1673 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,479 Speaker 1: have been more consistent obviously, I mean Locks is just 1674 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,599 Speaker 1: like a different machine though, like you know what I'm saying, 1675 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,200 Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you know what I'm saying. So it's 1676 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,120 Speaker 1: like it's hard to because you know that's what I 1677 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,400 Speaker 1: said to to to put them as one. It's like 1678 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,679 Speaker 1: you can't you know, you can't do that. You can't 1679 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,160 Speaker 1: do that, you can't put them as on my list 1680 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,840 Speaker 1: was like Biggie Jada, Mace, uh Styles and I forgot 1681 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,360 Speaker 1: whom my number five? I think it was Black Rob 1682 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,320 Speaker 1: pretty good? Yeah, pretty good. But then you got you 1683 01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,720 Speaker 1: got your fab and like like you got like it's 1684 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,240 Speaker 1: hard coming like you know, I mean I gotta, I 1685 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,360 Speaker 1: got you know, I got a lot. I got a 1686 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,599 Speaker 1: lot like mans is Mortar five, Oh fab, but side 1687 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,760 Speaker 1: of it, yeah, just like this like MC is Like 1688 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm still like on that, like it's a lot. All right, 1689 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,880 Speaker 1: we talk, we're talking about top five. You know someone 1690 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,800 Speaker 1: you admitted it's Tupoc. You know a lot of people 1691 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 1: put them on their list. Like was the relationship between 1692 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,360 Speaker 1: big and Parc as biggest people say it was or 1693 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,880 Speaker 1: was it wasn't that close that they with each other. Okay, yeah, 1694 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,559 Speaker 1: but even like even with that, like you can't even 1695 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,519 Speaker 1: like compare Big and Pop. They talked about two different things. 1696 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, Big ain't really never made a dear mama. 1697 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, they talk about two different things. Pop was 1698 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,280 Speaker 1: like you know, Pop was deep, like you couldn't probably 1699 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,240 Speaker 1: could probably coppear like a pocket nas. They kind of 1700 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: talked around, like around the same thing. It was like, 1701 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, they never really talked about that type of stuff. 1702 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: But they had a real friendship though nonetheless, Yeah, okay, friendship. 1703 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,560 Speaker 1: We know him, I definitely know him. It wasn't like 1704 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it wasn't no industry, Yeah no, no, 1705 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, yeah they funked with each other. If what 1706 01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,439 Speaker 1: was you to take on when things started to go left? 1707 01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,200 Speaker 1: Like you concerned it you felt like resolved. Yeah, I 1708 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't even know, like like that was even like a 1709 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: fast time, Like I don't even know like what was 1710 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,640 Speaker 1: really going on, Like you know what I'm saying, Like 1711 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know what happened, Like you know, I 1712 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,120 Speaker 1: really don't even know what happened to be honest with 1713 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,640 Speaker 1: you with that, but I know they were cool. You know, 1714 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 1: they were cool. They were friends, so it's crazy to see. 1715 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,280 Speaker 1: I always tell people like both those guys died at 1716 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,360 Speaker 1: the height of their their fame though and young dudes, 1717 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,519 Speaker 1: and like that altered the way you was upset the 1718 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,960 Speaker 1: past away. Yeah. Yeah, he said he didn't deserve it. 1719 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,519 Speaker 1: I was the first thing to say, saved man, and 1720 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: he said he didn't deserve that. I don't know a 1721 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 1: card us of what's going on. Like he's like, he 1722 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,200 Speaker 1: didn't deserve it because he was really hurt by that ship. Yeah, 1723 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 1: everyone thought that he was going to pull through, you 1724 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,880 Speaker 1: know initially, right, but just them dying to hide their fame, 1725 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,519 Speaker 1: and to me, it redefined hip hop history, right because 1726 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: now you have to look at Biggie Impark in historical 1727 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,280 Speaker 1: context where it's like, you know, back then we'd have 1728 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,800 Speaker 1: like we talked about the G's and the eighties that 1729 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,640 Speaker 1: really set the tone to rock, Kims, the Kings. But 1730 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,840 Speaker 1: it altered history where it's like to some people that 1731 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,639 Speaker 1: the nineties is there, the next genracing the nineties at 1732 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the finding decade, Golden Golden. It's crazy because like when 1733 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,120 Speaker 1: you look back and I forget, like big you guys 1734 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,760 Speaker 1: were young, like under twenty five like I was like, 1735 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,000 Speaker 1: we were learning it as we were doing it, right, 1736 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,160 Speaker 1: it was were learning the game doing it like I 1737 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,160 Speaker 1: know I was learning it. I know he was still 1738 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,679 Speaker 1: learning it. Like you know what I mean. I remember 1739 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: him big breakdown when I said, um yo, I was like, 1740 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,560 Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, it's too much going on. He 1741 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,840 Speaker 1: was like yo. I was like, who do we need 1742 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,080 Speaker 1: to like? For? My thing? Is like who you respect? 1743 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's there's so many moving parts, so 1744 01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,320 Speaker 1: many people going on. So I'm like who who who? Like? 1745 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,280 Speaker 1: Who who we respect? And stuff like that. He said, 1746 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,000 Speaker 1: we'll put it like this, It's like Puffer's Phil Jackson. 1747 01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Like it was like Puffers Phil Jackson, I'm Joey, this 1748 01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,640 Speaker 1: one is pipping. This one is that this is what 1749 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: we're doing. I was like, got you. That's how he 1750 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,400 Speaker 1: broke down everything that was going on around him, you 1751 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like a quick one to three 1752 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,040 Speaker 1: because like I just need you to catch up, like 1753 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like I ain't got time 1754 01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,240 Speaker 1: to teach. I ain't got time, but but I got 1755 01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,600 Speaker 1: it though, you know, I mean I already knew what 1756 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 1: that was because I didn't know. I didn't want to 1757 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,880 Speaker 1: teach me. My thing was I want to be less 1758 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,160 Speaker 1: distraction as possible. Keep doing what you're doing, trust me, 1759 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'll apply myself to figure 1760 01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,479 Speaker 1: it out. So but then I get it now, Like 1761 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,000 Speaker 1: that's just like the perfect you know, a knowledge that 1762 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,400 Speaker 1: he could have gave me back then that quick. You 1763 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Being that you were so close 1764 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,479 Speaker 1: to before we get out of here, What do you 1765 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: think that he would make up everything that's going on 1766 01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,880 Speaker 1: right now, Like as far as just everything that has happened, 1767 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,600 Speaker 1: you know with Puff and you know, bad Boy and 1768 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,439 Speaker 1: just the state of the game. Like, what do you 1769 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,320 Speaker 1: think I mean if he was here? I honestly think 1770 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,600 Speaker 1: what I was I realized with people like miss is 1771 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,000 Speaker 1: like when Big Big was alive and when he was 1772 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,680 Speaker 1: at his peak, everybody was nice in the game. It 1773 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,599 Speaker 1: wasn't just like Okay, he was big, he's hit nobody, 1774 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Like everybody had everybody on top of their toes. Everybody 1775 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,160 Speaker 1: was nice, you know what I mean, even the Corney 1776 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:25,000 Speaker 1: people was nice. Music was good in that period. So yeah, 1777 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,800 Speaker 1: so we had everybody on they toes. Now it's just like, 1778 01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, it wouldn't be certain 1779 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,920 Speaker 1: people wouldn't be would they, you know, as far as 1780 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,200 Speaker 1: MC wise, wouldn't you know, slip through the cracks and 1781 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,680 Speaker 1: all that, because it wouldn't wouldn't be able to go 1782 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,120 Speaker 1: nowhere because it would have been locked, like you know 1783 01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,360 Speaker 1: what I mean. So people had to be on their toes. 1784 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,640 Speaker 1: I know we were, you know what I mean? I know, 1785 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean when I interviewed Big in other interviews, he 1786 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,920 Speaker 1: always to be said about he was concerned about he 1787 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,719 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be that rapper that had like ten twenty albums, 1788 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,360 Speaker 1: like he was gonna have a short run of albums 1789 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,040 Speaker 1: that were all great and then he was going to 1790 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of move on down the path he would have. 1791 01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling we had plans, have plans, We have plans. 1792 01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,599 Speaker 1: He wanted to live life. He wanted to live life. 1793 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,559 Speaker 1: Like I've done a lot of stuff that we didn't 1794 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,200 Speaker 1: even get a chance to do, and I'm thankful for that. 1795 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,720 Speaker 1: Like I've done a lot, I've seen a lot of things, done, 1796 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,000 Speaker 1: done a lot of you know, been a lot of places. 1797 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:21,400 Speaker 1: I've done a lot. Actually I've done that more than 1798 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,040 Speaker 1: I probably don't done more things. And some of the 1799 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,760 Speaker 1: wrappers out and I'm not an artist. I don't been 1800 01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,360 Speaker 1: a lot of places, did a lot of things that 1801 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,280 Speaker 1: people are still probably working to do. So I count 1802 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,800 Speaker 1: my blessings for that, you know. So I'm very humble 1803 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to that type of stuff. Example example, 1804 01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean ship, I didn't mean Italy trip, you know 1805 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,120 Speaker 1: what I mean, funked up the meta, you know what 1806 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't mean Italy tripped with my boy. 1807 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,280 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know we that like did it, 1808 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, first class all the way through, Like you 1809 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Some stuff that you know that's 1810 01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,760 Speaker 1: only there's a good dream about doing so I've I've 1811 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,679 Speaker 1: done so. I did a lot of major trips. I've 1812 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,880 Speaker 1: seen a lot of major things that I know. I 1813 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:10,559 Speaker 1: said a lot of fight nights to see Mayweather McGregor, 1814 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like stuff, even like 1815 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's just just like like natural, just 1816 01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,600 Speaker 1: just like just like real stuff. It wasn't like, you 1817 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I don't work hard to 1818 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,200 Speaker 1: to to get up under nobody. I don't do none 1819 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,320 Speaker 1: of that stuff that ain't me. I could do without it. 1820 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Definitely not no dick rotting at all. You mentioned earlier 1821 01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,560 Speaker 1: about the notries from you, No, you were not so 1822 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,479 Speaker 1: happy with how you would portrayed. But what besides that? 1823 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,200 Speaker 1: What else do you feel like they got wrong? That 1824 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,280 Speaker 1: didn't really capture who big was. I just think just 1825 01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 1: the success part of it, like it was way more fun. 1826 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,720 Speaker 1: But then, like I said, I didn't know much, but 1827 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,519 Speaker 1: that was just like a story told from his mom. 1828 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,160 Speaker 1: That was a mother's son's story. So it's not like 1829 01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,080 Speaker 1: it should it should have been like that because it's 1830 01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,280 Speaker 1: not like mom was ripping and running with us. That 1831 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,640 Speaker 1: was a mother's sounn's story. So that's what it was like, 1832 01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,360 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I just felt like 1833 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,519 Speaker 1: we've been through a lot and it could have showed 1834 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 1: a little more of the good times, like you know 1835 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,960 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we've been you know, we've been 1836 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,200 Speaker 1: through a lot. So that's the only thing that was 1837 01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,519 Speaker 1: like and just me like actually being like a drug dealer, 1838 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,840 Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying like that, like I don't, 1839 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't, that's not my thing, right, what do you 1840 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,320 Speaker 1: what do you make of his love, Brooklyn's love and 1841 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,479 Speaker 1: dedication to him even when the when the funeral and 1842 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: the celebration, saying nothing like it in my life. It's 1843 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,800 Speaker 1: like the president passed away something like that. That was crazy. 1844 01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:34,280 Speaker 1: And then it's like like I've seen people that we 1845 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,639 Speaker 1: used to actually be fighting with and and and people 1846 01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,080 Speaker 1: that I was trying to do stuff to us when 1847 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,360 Speaker 1: he was at the peak of his career crying when 1848 01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,000 Speaker 1: the casket rode by. I'm not looking at that ship, 1849 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now you want to cry 1850 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,040 Speaker 1: because he's gone, But we have to circle the block 1851 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,000 Speaker 1: three times before we dropped, like just you know what 1852 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, just just just weird ship, Like you know 1853 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,200 Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know, I learned to love 1854 01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,760 Speaker 1: a person while they're here. But you think of bigging 1855 01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,680 Speaker 1: when you think Brooklyn, like that he have that that 1856 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,280 Speaker 1: connection that the borrow love him to death, the borrow 1857 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,200 Speaker 1: love him to death. Man, was it kind of surreal? 1858 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,040 Speaker 1: Like you have a banner up for him at the 1859 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,720 Speaker 1: Barclay cent he said everywhere that that was dope. Yeah, 1860 01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:20,599 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, I mean, what if All 1861 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,400 Speaker 1: day I'll do a bunch of what ifs, you know, 1862 01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one thing that's the pressing too. 1863 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,080 Speaker 1: I have stopped doing that if you if, like so 1864 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,160 Speaker 1: you know what I means I just enjoy it and 1865 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,760 Speaker 1: just know you know what I mean? He is there. 1866 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He is here, you know 1867 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,639 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I said, he's the hardest working 1868 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,200 Speaker 1: person in the game. Right, you know what I mean, 1869 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:43,040 Speaker 1: He's still here. All right, Well we go. What's the 1870 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,120 Speaker 1: goals you want to still accomplish? You think in your 1871 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,040 Speaker 1: life do you haven't planned out? I mean basically what 1872 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,439 Speaker 1: I want to do. I want to be able to 1873 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,000 Speaker 1: uh put people in situations you know what I mean. 1874 01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,040 Speaker 1: That's still grounding, you know what I'm saying. Like I said, 1875 01:25:56,200 --> 01:26:00,960 Speaker 1: is uh a window and in the lane for people 1876 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,640 Speaker 1: like me that I know when I say people like 1877 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,759 Speaker 1: me being like people have been through the same struggle 1878 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,040 Speaker 1: people that you know, there's a d Rock on every crew, 1879 01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,479 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So for the d Rocks, 1880 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 1: I would definitely like to give it a spy and 1881 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: let them know that it is possible to make something happy. 1882 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,200 Speaker 1: Not saying that I'm making it happen, but I'm still 1883 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm still work in progress, you know what I mean. 1884 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm still pushing to try to make things happen. And 1885 01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,240 Speaker 1: then I'm always just trying to put somebody in the 1886 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,040 Speaker 1: situation that gets you know, a good person. That's the 1887 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,519 Speaker 1: things you know you can't put you know what I mean, 1888 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,720 Speaker 1: you put good people in situations. You know what I mean, 1889 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,000 Speaker 1: You've got to be a good person to be in 1890 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,559 Speaker 1: a situation, because the wrong person to bring everything down, 1891 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's a fact. Yeah. So that's 1892 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,680 Speaker 1: it with me. That's trying to you know what I mean, 1893 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:48,640 Speaker 1: trying next chapter, next chapter. You know you close this 1894 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:56,200 Speaker 1: chapter by finally speaking, I'm good to go. I'll be back. Yeah, 1895 01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:03,200 Speaker 1: I'll be back. Fish absolutely, I respect Thank you Noble 1896 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,240 Speaker 1: Wrap Rate on podcast. Yeah, no doubt, bro, Yeah, thank you. 1897 01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:14,120 Speaker 1: Right man, you got the well yeah, Rapperrate Up Podcast. 1898 01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Do a little bonus beat out? Why not over time? 1899 01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 1: The Rocks artist is down here. What's going on? Brother? 1900 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,920 Speaker 1: Introduce yourself? But listen is this is Chris Martin straight 1901 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,919 Speaker 1: total king stunt Jamerico. You got some Kingston Jamaican rappers, 1902 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,679 Speaker 1: got some balls and everything's going on. Man, you gotta 1903 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:36,960 Speaker 1: explay this man, Yeah, I mean ship why not? You know, 1904 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I am Jamaican just f y you know. So we've 1905 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,479 Speaker 1: seen this video. Man, what's going on with good morning? Uh, 1906 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,519 Speaker 1: we're just here, you know what I mean, working on 1907 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,679 Speaker 1: the craft, paying respect to the game, to the culture, 1908 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,880 Speaker 1: and just trying to you know, not change the blueprint, 1909 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,080 Speaker 1: do what we do, do what we know we feel 1910 01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,720 Speaker 1: is best. Yeah. So who did you grow up listening to? Uh? 1911 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,680 Speaker 1: In Kingston um a girl listening to various artists from 1912 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,200 Speaker 1: reggae to hip hop to scare um to like sold jazz, 1913 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,719 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So from Bob Marley, Dennis Brown, 1914 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,400 Speaker 1: Marvin Gay Noise you know, play a huge influence in 1915 01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:26,200 Speaker 1: my creativity and this the genre hip hop music, Biggie 1916 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:33,120 Speaker 1: definitely um jay Z. Yeah right there says a bracketing 1917 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,599 Speaker 1: which I ssume my own him. Okay, Yeah, So how 1918 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,920 Speaker 1: did this connection with the back happened from your perspective? Like, 1919 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:39,280 Speaker 1: and why do you feel like this is the right 1920 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,559 Speaker 1: brother to be a business? Way to really your craft? 1921 01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,320 Speaker 1: First of all, I had a friend, a friend of 1922 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,960 Speaker 1: mine from a long time ago, you know what I mean, 1923 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,479 Speaker 1: had linked up with his papers and hand him the 1924 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,400 Speaker 1: music and then he heard the music. It was a 1925 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,200 Speaker 1: video actually tiedle fox only and instantly just showed me, 1926 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, and just the vibe from over the phone. 1927 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,560 Speaker 1: It was just it was really. Um, it was just 1928 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,280 Speaker 1: it happened at the right moment, you know what I mean, 1929 01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,280 Speaker 1: and I was in a situation it just felt right, 1930 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,479 Speaker 1: and we continue to speak and then we met each other, 1931 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Just a rightress, conscious, clean 1932 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,800 Speaker 1: hearted individuals, these guys, you know, So it was just 1933 01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:23,240 Speaker 1: it was easy beyond the music. Just yeah, definitely, definitely 1934 01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,160 Speaker 1: you've had those moments that by going to get you 1935 01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,680 Speaker 1: on and help you oh of course, of course, and 1936 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,120 Speaker 1: some people, you know, it's not necessarily get you on, 1937 01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,200 Speaker 1: it's more so to take from you, you know. So 1938 01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,960 Speaker 1: you have those who give, and then you know they 1939 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,280 Speaker 1: receive a blessing separately different from what they added to. 1940 01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, they just get a whole different situation. So 1941 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,599 Speaker 1: you know, the iraqis as upstanding individual in society out 1942 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:51,559 Speaker 1: here in the world, did you know. Yeah, definitely, it's knowing. 1943 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,479 Speaker 1: It's knowing. It's been years, it's knowing. Right. Do you 1944 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,160 Speaker 1: think you have an advantagement? People would think reggae on 1945 01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,560 Speaker 1: the surface, but this is some hardcore hip hop, this 1946 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:09,080 Speaker 1: is East Coast, this is like you see the visual. Yeah, advantage, 1947 01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,800 Speaker 1: definitely an advantage, you know what I mean. Um, he's 1948 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,240 Speaker 1: putting pain into the game you guys cover just now 1949 01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, learning everything and reviewing it. So I definitely 1950 01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:24,200 Speaker 1: have an advantage and definitely just have a more a 1951 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,080 Speaker 1: better guidance in the depth of what to do and 1952 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,680 Speaker 1: how to execute it within strategy and developing you know, 1953 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 1: as an artist, you know. So I think it's definitely 1954 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,160 Speaker 1: an advantage from that perspective. Do you feel like it's 1955 01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,639 Speaker 1: more pressure though, um being because like I said earlier, 1956 01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:48,840 Speaker 1: you know this is bigs friend. Yeah, definitely definitely you know, pressuring, yes, 1957 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,680 Speaker 1: but when you're when you're trying to acquire and you're 1958 01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,400 Speaker 1: aspiring to be great, it's not as pressure and it's 1959 01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,320 Speaker 1: not a pressure and feeling so more so anxiety to 1960 01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,080 Speaker 1: cover certain grounds. But it's not like irvy sort you 1961 01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like damn, Like you know, it's 1962 01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,640 Speaker 1: more so blessing, you know, I'm I'm grateful for it. 1963 01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,479 Speaker 1: And speaking of how he feels a lack of an 1964 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,160 Speaker 1: importance on lyricism, now that that's why is that important 1965 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,439 Speaker 1: to you? Um? Lyricism For me, I mean just swimming 1966 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,439 Speaker 1: through different genres from growing up on reggae, you know, 1967 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,160 Speaker 1: then being introduced to hip hop. Um, I find that 1968 01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,439 Speaker 1: in a reggae I was able to express like emotion, 1969 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,719 Speaker 1: and in hip hop you had an importance of lyricism 1970 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,080 Speaker 1: which enable me to tell a story, you know what 1971 01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean. So I always liked the swing of melody 1972 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,920 Speaker 1: and feeling in music. So the lyricism, I think was 1973 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,880 Speaker 1: a component that was missing in my artistry that I 1974 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,280 Speaker 1: needed to express myself. You know, in hip hop. The 1975 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,280 Speaker 1: hip hop that I was listening to at that time 1976 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:50,240 Speaker 1: had an emphasis placed on lyricism and content and storytelling. 1977 01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,560 Speaker 1: And you could discover a place or you know, know 1978 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,080 Speaker 1: about places when I was living on an island, just 1979 01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,280 Speaker 1: from listening to the music. So yeah, yeah, so I 1980 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,719 Speaker 1: take lyricism on content, you know, very seriously. In my crowd, 1981 01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,280 Speaker 1: we don't have a bee, could we hear a little 1982 01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:12,920 Speaker 1: bit before we go? But I feel like we might 1983 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:19,080 Speaker 1: need this in this case. Show Uh, Mama had a 1984 01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,840 Speaker 1: son and a daughter. She had to be mother and father, 1985 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,560 Speaker 1: crossing the border, flying over the water, came to America. 1986 01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,240 Speaker 1: That's when we were smaller. We were having dreams in 1987 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,479 Speaker 1: a little apartment four ym in the morning. I know 1988 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,600 Speaker 1: my neighbor was probably hear me recording sixteen eleven. This 1989 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,639 Speaker 1: is where it all started. Never forget the lesson poverty 1990 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,679 Speaker 1: taught us. If you're going through hell, keep going, my nigga, 1991 01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,160 Speaker 1: keep going, not knowing how the ship might work out. 1992 01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,480 Speaker 1: Life's like having your first child of pain was worthwhile. 1993 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,320 Speaker 1: This is Eminemo eight mile Tupac on trial, Babie ready 1994 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,439 Speaker 1: to die. That's my breakthrough. Where to Mary J. Blige, 1995 01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,599 Speaker 1: They love and hate you. Look at Nicki Minaj, Chris Matick, 1996 01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:58,519 Speaker 1: Key Amatic, big up to Nas Tyler quality. The things 1997 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,639 Speaker 1: we do to get by. I made it out to struggle. 1998 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,360 Speaker 1: I happened to beat the odds. Greatness is happening now. 1999 01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,040 Speaker 1: I feel the vibes looking to the sky with stars 2000 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:10,439 Speaker 1: and dreams collide. Obsessed, some success become suicide. Your price 2001 01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,600 Speaker 1: can lead it to your demise. I kept trying. I 2002 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,000 Speaker 1: got tired of seeing my mama crying. You know what 2003 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:22,799 Speaker 1: I mean? Just basically that you know, Christmas again, Brooklyn 2004 01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,519 Speaker 1: Lessons lessons so ever since you dropped calories, man, it 2005 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,200 Speaker 1: feel like there's a little bit of buzz around and 2006 01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,639 Speaker 1: you heard that the phone has been clicking ever since. Yeah, 2007 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, give it the point the year. It's not 2008 01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:41,600 Speaker 1: as individually, Yeah, man, you know what I mean. I 2009 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,800 Speaker 1: think you know good at track good, great that track grid, developing, 2010 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, development, more to come, more 2011 01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:55,040 Speaker 1: to come, And yeah, Calorie has definitely been a positive impact. 2012 01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,720 Speaker 1: Part definitely been attracting positivity. It's been a lot of love. 2013 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,840 Speaker 1: I haven't felt any or any you know, strong disliking 2014 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,600 Speaker 1: thus far. So that positive run. I mean, I'm meeting you, 2015 01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, legendering, feeling what you're doing. 2016 01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,880 Speaker 1: Time time, So what we look for next? Before as 2017 01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,920 Speaker 1: I saying earlier too, we're just doing a quick three 2018 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,919 Speaker 1: pack freestyle, you know, so just a quick couple of freestyles. 2019 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,600 Speaker 1: Paying how muche to New York prod. Of course, of 2020 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,200 Speaker 1: course I want to have long lived prodigy. You know 2021 01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,320 Speaker 1: what I mean, big respect to everything that he has done, 2022 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,840 Speaker 1: and condolence system family. We'll miss you, you know, along 2023 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,040 Speaker 1: with Biggie, along with every grade. You know what I mean. Say, yeah, 2024 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,040 Speaker 1: how for do that one? So more freestyles and then yeah, 2025 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,680 Speaker 1: more freestyles and then you know what I mean, the 2026 01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:57,759 Speaker 1: spice coming coming. I'm waiting for it. Appreciate music baby, 2027 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah that podcast River