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Speaker 1: documentation or hey there should have been a paperwork in

431
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: the box. You didn't get it. No, no, no, some

432
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: something something doing that up there, I think. And the

433
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: bigger question is, so what are you supposed to line

434
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: the dot up too, And were their instructions in the box?

435
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: Well there there wasn't instructions in the box. And and

436
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't even mention it. Now, cat's

437
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: crazier things happened than a part go out and someone

438
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: failed to stick a piece of paper in a box. Sure,

439
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean I could see that, okay, And and no,

440
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: and like you said, I mean it wasn't catastrophic. It

441
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: would happen to break on the lift, and I was

442
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: thankful for that, but it just it was very disappointing.

443
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean it, it was disappointing. I got and I

444
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: gotta do it like this. I'd tell you to get

445
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: down to your local auto parts store and pull that

446
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: same part number off the shelf. Do you have an right?

447
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Do you have an Oreillyoto parts by you? Yeah, we

448
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: do it. I just went for the first time recently

449
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: on your recommendation, and it was a yeah, and and

450
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: and get down to an O'Reilly Oto Parts ask him

451
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: to pull that same part number. All right, open open

452
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: the box while you're standing there and say, hey, I

453
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: just want to see one thing. And if there's instructions

454
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: in that box that tell you to line the dot

455
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: up with something, then your conversation should be with Amazon,

456
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: because now whoever Amazon's vendor is uh, and you can

457
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: go back and look. It would be interesting to see

458
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: did Amazon ship that direct? Is that being shipped through

459
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: Amazon by Move in which case it comes back to Move,

460
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: or is it being shipped from you know, Bob Auto

461
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Parts in you know, downtown wherever, and they're just using

462
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: Amazon as as a sales portlet and it did. Did

463
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: somebody mishandle I gotta tell you suspension pieces. I've got

464
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: a couple of local parts houses to me that you know,

465
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: they know my feeling. I won't buy and I won't

466
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: accept anything if there's fingerprints on it, if it looks

467
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: like the box has been open, if if I don't

468
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: see a complete what I believe to be you know,

469
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: uh nut cotter pin plastic bag instructions, I want to

470
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: accept the part because I don't know where it came from.

471
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: It's been picked through, so um, yeah, it was a

472
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: sealed box. So it's either Amazon Moves mistake or not.

473
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: However you're I'm might hear you loud and clear. I'm

474
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna go to Riley's an open up box and theater's documentation.

475
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: See what goes from there. All right, sir, listen, good

476
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: luck to you, and I appreciate the call. Thanks for

477
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: thanks for being part of the car doctor family. Man.

478
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate about it. You're very welcome to take

479
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: good care. You know, that's a problem. This is a

480
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: real problem where you're getting your parts from. It's you

481
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: can't be so quick to you know, jump out to

482
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: the internet and just buy what it is you want

483
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: to buy. Because and and and this is the argument.

484
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: This is why a repair shop can't install customers supplied parts.

485
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: So play the scenario out. Bob walks into your repair shop.

486
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: In this case will be Ben Ben walks into your

487
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: repair shop, hand you two ball joints. Hey, can you

488
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: put these ball joints in? Sure, no problem, it's a

489
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: slow day. Let's put two ball joints in for Ben.

490
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Ben has been a regular customer. Now he wants us

491
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: to use his parts. Hey, he got them. He's not

492
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: doing it. His wife, you know, told him no more

493
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: working on the car around the house. A lot of thing.

494
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: You gotta take it down. The ron's ron puts in

495
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: the ball joints. Now, the ball joint breaks and there's

496
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: no instructions and maybe maybe Ron's guidance. There's no instructions.

497
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: You know, install the part the best way you know how,

498
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now that wheel folds under

499
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: the frame, and maybe maybe it's an it's an accident,

500
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe there's a fatality, maybe there's a big lawsuit. Why

501
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: would a repair shop take the responsibility because the repair

502
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: shops ensure if they have it, is gonna go chase

503
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the manufacturer of the part. Well, who sold you the part? Well?

504
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: This guy on Amazon. Turns out that guy in Amazon

505
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: called Bob's ought to repair is really some guy in

506
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: China that's using a front And you want to go

507
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: shoe somebody in China have at it. Let me know

508
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: what year you get back? Eight five five five zero

509
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: nine zero zero. Speaking of getting back, we'll do that

510
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. I'm Rondonandian. Don't go anywhere.

511
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're on any of the car doctorate five

512
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero, Bob from Connecticut. You're out

513
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: with the car doctor, Sir Dodge Ram Van, How can

514
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: I help? All right? Dr Ron? Thank you? The problem

515
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: my Van is I'm a good history of it has

516
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: the only hundred miles on it wait, wait for it, wait,

517
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: wait for it? Just broken in. Good ahead, go ahead,

518
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: man Bob. Yes, after twenty years, only had sixty nine

519
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: thousand miles on don't I bought it and I've had

520
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: an eight and a half years. I've had good luck

521
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: with Dodds Cargo Vans. I had an eighty five two

522
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: five thousand miles ninety four that went two hundred forty

523
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: five thousand miles. So this one, as you say, is

524
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: just being broken in. However, I've a broken problem that

525
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: my mechanic hasn't been able to solve. It installed seven

526
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: times over the past four and a half weeks. It

527
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: always starts the first time of the day, and after

528
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: each time I restarted during after errands, and the first

529
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: time installed, the chicken engine light went on and indicated

530
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: a voltage problem. So my mechanic changed one of the

531
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: terminals to the battery, but that didn't solve it. It's

532
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: stalled two days later. And when it does stall other

533
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: than the next time, it took me five times to

534
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: restart it, and then I let us sit for ten

535
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: minutes and I did restarted after that, and while I

536
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: was trying to restarted that time had the exhaust came out.

537
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: But after that, though, it always restarted the first or

538
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: second time after restarting, and it would usually stall when

539
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: I came to a slowdown or to stop. Only once

540
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: it's stalled. In the very last time stall. It stalled

541
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: while I was accelerating and the chickens and light for

542
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: nine went on, and he changed the relays to the

543
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: computer and to the fuel pump. But it's still stalls.

544
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: So what sort of loss other than other than changing parts, Bob?

545
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: What sort of diagnosis has he done? As he measured

546
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: voltage anywhere? Is he looked, um and he scantled data?

547
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? What's what's he done beyond well,

548
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: let's change this part because that's what the code says. Anything. Actually,

549
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: he didn't give me any details of what else done.

550
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: So he says he has one of these big diagnostics

551
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: machines that dealers have the cost ten thousand dollars, or

552
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: he's used that I do too. It's the thing between

553
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: my ears. Um, it's not. It's not ten thousand dollars though.

554
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: So the flow chart for a P nine talks about

555
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: problems with what we call the automatic shutdown relay, which

556
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: is the main power relay that powers up and controls

557
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the engine PCM. All right, that float chart is a

558
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: good dartboard. Beyond that, it doesn't really help you fix

559
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: the car. So he's really got to understand what it

560
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: is he's chasing. All right, Um, I agree with changing

561
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: the automatic shutdown relay. Hopefully he used a Chrysler part

562
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: so we don't get into the conversation about, you know,

563
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: a marginal aftermarket piece duplicating or replicating a similar condition

564
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: where I've seen you say again it wasn't available from

565
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: the d R Okay, Um, so he an s D

566
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: relief for a ninety nine it's possible. Yeah, I guess

567
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: that's possible. It's twenty years old now, yeah, I call

568
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: a deal with myself, and they always stop making these

569
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, the parts anymore. So let's let's

570
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: do this. Let's let's understand what at nine thirteen eighty

571
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: nine means that the onboard computer saw or the onboard

572
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: computer is being turned off because the shutdown relay is

573
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: turning it off. The key is in the opposition requesting

574
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: the relay stay on, but it's for whatever reason it

575
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: turns off. Now I've seen faults with where where the

576
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: automatic shutdown relay plugs in. It plugs into that junction

577
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: box under the hood where it will, you know, underneath

578
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: the power distribution center. Um, what he wants to do,

579
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what you're describing to me. He wants

580
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: to flip that power distribution center over and take a

581
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: look for any corrosion and make sure the connections for

582
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: the relay are really crisp, clean and tight c C.

583
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: T as I like to say, all right, crisp, clean

584
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: and tight. He wants to pay in particular attention. There's

585
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: what we call pins thirty and eighty six all right,

586
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: going up to the relay and pin eighty seven. Pin

587
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: eighty seven coming out of the relay is the signal

588
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: wire from the relay out to the power component, in

589
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: this case the PCM. We want to make sure that

590
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: they're good, clean and tight, all right. UM. We also

591
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: want to make sure Pin eighty five, which is ground

592
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: uh control from the PCM, that that's good, clean and tight,

593
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: all right, And keep in mind eighty seven could also

594
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: go to other components. My point is that at four

595
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: pronged relay is really the brains of the operation. That's

596
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: that's sort of like the gatekeeper. You turn the key on,

597
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: request the vehicle to start and run that. If that

598
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: a s D relay doesn't get proper ground from the

599
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: PCM because it's looking for a response from some other things,

600
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: it's not going to allow the vehicle to start. The

601
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: same thing could be said. You're driving along, you come

602
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: up to a traffic lighter, even doing forty miles an

603
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: hour going down the road, and midstream that relay turns off,

604
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: so does the vehicle. All right, So what I wanted

605
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: to think about doing is sit down with a wiring diagram,

606
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: all right, and if we wire in some bulbs, let's

607
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: wire in some side marker bulbs, al right, Different colors

608
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: make make a white bulb, the input voltage make an

609
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: orange bulb the output voltage across the relay, and he

610
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: can start to break that relay down. When the stalling happens,

611
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: is the light on or off? Did the light blink?

612
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Did the light change? And at least this way he

613
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: can diagnose when he's not there when you're driving the car,

614
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: and then all you have to do with report back

615
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: to him and say, hey, it did this or it

616
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: did that? Have him do that this week, call me back,

617
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: let me know what the results are, and we'll take

618
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: you the next step. Zero. The car Doctor's cruising back

619
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back. We're on the car Doctor.

620
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: I want to tear a real quick story. It's just

621
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: just how involved computers are and just how you have

622
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to expect the unexpected. I had a seen jeep Cherokee.

623
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, renegade this week, the smaller jeep to replace

624
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: four tires on just yesterday, and I drew the ticket

625
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: and put it up. And long story short, we have

626
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: we have this is a TPMs car tire Pressure Monitoring

627
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: sensor vehicle like all Carson's two thousand eight, and we

628
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: use a system of valve. The pressures that we screw

629
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: on the end of the valve stem to presses let

630
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: the air out so that we don't have to take

631
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: the core out, because sometimes you take the core out

632
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: on older TPMs sensors, you'll break the stem, break the core,

633
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: and now it gets into more money. You have to

634
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: change the censor that otherwise was okay. So we depressed

635
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: the air and it's it's just safer and easier. So

636
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: now understand the cars on the lift, it's off the

637
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: keys on the front seat, the windows down, and I'm

638
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: just letting air out of the tires. I go through

639
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: the process. I changed the tires one at the time.

640
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: I do the mount, I do the balance, I put

641
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: it back on the car, I you know, put everything together,

642
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: wheels back on, hand tork. You always hand tork, and

643
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: set tire pressure thirty five all the way around, just

644
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: like the door placard says, start the car up, back

645
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: it out, and the tire pressure lights flashing. Hmm, gee

646
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: did I clip a sensor? And then within five seconds

647
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: the display on the dash brings up all the tire

648
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: pressure readings five zero eleven two. I'm saying, wow, how

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00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: could it be recording loan. I thought about it, and

650
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I bet you the module, the

651
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: TPMs module was still awake when I was doing the

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00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: tire service. It stayed away for whatever it was ten

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00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes. I drove the car as soon as

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00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: I hear thirty five miles an hour, one point twenty

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: one jigga Watson, and then go back in time. All

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00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you could see the TPMs centers reset

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: thirty five thirty five, thirty five thirty five shows you

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00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: how module memory is such a part of the car. Today,

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car. Doctor, Good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're placeless. See you