Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to episode four of The Dean Lounge.
Speaker 1: I call the Dean Lounge only to not confuse people,
Speaker 1: because we are changing the name of this segment starting
Speaker 1: right now. I put on my Instagram what we could
Speaker 1: name this because I am not creative enough to come
Speaker 1: up with anything. And there were some very good submissions.
Speaker 1: The one that I enjoyed the most was been There
Speaker 1: Dean That, So that's what we're gonna call this. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start this all over. Hello everybody, and welcome
Speaker 1: to episode four of Been There Dean That. Today's episode
Speaker 1: is a very special episode because it's today's episode. I
Speaker 1: it did lie to you guys a little bit last week.
Speaker 1: I did say I wanted to go through these episodes
Speaker 1: chronologically or I'm sorry my trips chronologically, and I am
Speaker 1: getting off of that path right now. But I saw
Speaker 1: an opportunity and I had no choice but to seize
Speaker 1: it because I have a friend staying at the house
Speaker 1: with us. Not only is she staying here now, but
Speaker 1: she stayed here for the whole week and got to
Speaker 1: ski and hang out with our dog. Gosh, what a
Speaker 1: great week that must have been having this house all
Speaker 1: to yourself. But if you follow me on Instagram, which
Speaker 1: I hope you do, you will know that I climbed
Speaker 1: all of the fourteen ers in Colorado last summer, with
Speaker 1: the exception of three because I'd already climbed them. It
Speaker 1: was a big accomplishment for me. It was an incredible summer,
Speaker 1: best summer of my life, and I'm excited to talk
Speaker 1: to you about it. I might talk about it again
Speaker 1: later at some point. But my friend here, can we
Speaker 1: call you by your real name? Sure? Do you want
Speaker 1: to introduce yourself?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: Am Hannah, Hi Hannah, Hi.
Speaker 1: My friend here. We probably did what like twelve of
Speaker 1: the mountains together, sixteen, you know, off the top of
Speaker 1: your head, sixteen, which is fifteen more than any other
Speaker 1: person that I climbed the mountains with. Probably well Austin
Speaker 1: I did three with, but it's significantly more than anyone
Speaker 1: else I climbed any other mountains with. So since you're here,
Speaker 1: I figured, why not just talk to you and see
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 3: Sounds good?
Speaker 1: It's so tricky because this is it's with this It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you What do I talk about? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's easy to tell a story in
Speaker 1: a conversational aspect. But it's hard to be like, well,
Speaker 1: this is in this and that and that and this happened,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Especially when you're holding a microphone.
Speaker 3: It's intimidated.
Speaker 1: You've done interviews before, though, I sure have. So Hannah
Speaker 1: here for the uninitiated. She's a great marathon runner. She's
Speaker 1: been She's completed the what is it called the World
Speaker 1: World Majors, World Majors, And that's six marathons.
Speaker 3: In six well in different countries and.
Speaker 1: Different because there's the New York, the New.
Speaker 2: York, Boston, Tokyo, London, Chicago, and I'm blanking on the last.
Speaker 1: One Australia, Oh, Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: What is the last one?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You did all six anyways, And that's
Speaker 1: great because I would never I would never run more
Speaker 1: than a mile. Even running a mile, I would just
Speaker 1: run out to the ice cream truck, run by that,
Speaker 1: driving by the house. That's about as far as I get.
Speaker 1: So for me to even be standing on equal ground
Speaker 1: with you in some other aspect of a physical accomplishment
Speaker 1: is it's you know, I'm proud of myself for that,
Speaker 1: I guess is all I have to say, but a
Speaker 1: true testament to your ability as an athlete. So I
Speaker 1: met Hannah. She reached out to me on Instagram because
Speaker 1: I posted that I wanted to climb all fifty eight
Speaker 1: and I had done zero research. I had no idea
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I listed the mountains I wanted
Speaker 1: to climb by dates, and Hannah reached out and she
Speaker 1: was like, you're an absolute idiot, And I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. She goes that you did, but
Speaker 1: at first you were a little at that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Now that I know your personality, it was nice, but
Speaker 1: like you know, I was a little like, whoa this girl?
Speaker 1: To set me straight? Because there's a lot that you
Speaker 1: can do in the same day. There's a lot that
Speaker 1: you want to like link in the same loop or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and I didn't know any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: And so Hannah reached out and she, like very graciously,
Speaker 1: was just offering up information, which is all I really
Speaker 1: wanted at that point too. And little did I know
Speaker 1: that she you were probably at what like thirty or
Speaker 1: something at the beginning of last day was at four.
Speaker 1: I was at thirty two, thirty two, And so not
Speaker 1: only were you able to draw that experience and kind
Speaker 1: of help me plan my stuff. But you had obviously
Speaker 1: I had fifty five more to go, and so of
Speaker 1: those fifty five, you had twenty five to do. When
Speaker 1: we didn't do all of those, but you did for
Speaker 1: your much to your credit. Like let's say you'd already
Speaker 1: climbed one of them or hiked one of them. I
Speaker 1: hadn't done it. You're like, yeah, I got nothing going on.
Speaker 1: I'll just come out and do that here for the day,
Speaker 1: which is great.
Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, I wanted to do some repeats. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had a good time and it's good to stand shape.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the very first one we did was
Speaker 1: like it was like the fourth or fifth one I did.
Speaker 1: It was Toys and Grays off of I seventy there
Speaker 1: and it was like early or late spring, so early yeah,
Speaker 1: late spring, so there was still a little bit of
Speaker 1: snow on the ground and we were like, screw it,
Speaker 1: let's just ski. It was great ski yep. Man, where
Speaker 1: are we going to go with this? I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting because a lot of people, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say they like count girls out when
Speaker 1: it comes to like the outdoor space. But I do
Speaker 1: think that there is like a perceived like harder barrier
Speaker 1: to entry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I feel like this is a
Speaker 2: very it's a male dominated space.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so how did you get into it?
Speaker 2: So? I got into it with a friend friend from college,
Speaker 2: lived in Colorado, and was like, actually, we're sitting at
Speaker 2: a bar having some drinks and he's like, hey, do
Speaker 2: you want to hike a fourteen to tomorrow?
Speaker 3: And I was like sure, went home googled what is
Speaker 3: a fourteen er?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had no idea, and I saw it's
Speaker 2: a five mile hike, so much elevation gain.
Speaker 3: I was Familinois. I have no idea what I'm doing,
Speaker 3: but I showed up.
Speaker 2: We started at two pm on a snowy November day,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 3: What I was getting myself into.
Speaker 1: And which one was that?
Speaker 2: That was quandary. Actually, after that one, I promised myself
Speaker 2: I'd never do that ever again. I never wanted to
Speaker 2: do anymore. Yeah, that was one and done for me,
Speaker 2: and that obviously changed, obviously changed. Yeah, my first one
Speaker 2: actually so quandary. I showed up in cotton leggings, which
Speaker 2: is a big no no, and cyrel snow boots with
Speaker 2: the fur.
Speaker 1: I remember that story. Yeah, yeah, I was looking good. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: the quandary is considered one of the easier ones. It is, yeah,
Speaker 1: but still not easy if you're unsure of what you're
Speaker 1: getting self into and you're wearing Currel's in November. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in November, and didn't you say it snowed there
Speaker 1: or something?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: It was it was super snowy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We were postholing down tour thighs.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, okay, so you climb that with your
Speaker 1: friend and then did you take time off or did
Speaker 1: you just have the right away?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't want to do anymore.
Speaker 2: Ever, Again, I had a friend reach out a couple
Speaker 2: months later and wanted to do the calibron, so the
Speaker 2: four that it's together, and so just to appease her,
Speaker 2: I was like, sure, I'll do those two with you.
Speaker 2: And then at that point I'd done five, so I
Speaker 2: was like, what's another However many more fifty of the math?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what's another fifty three? You're already six
Speaker 1: percent of the way down with the challenge. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the calibran is one of those things that I was
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, where it's four peaks within it's probably
Speaker 1: what like a nine mile hike that day or something
Speaker 1: like that, and it just it would be stupid to
Speaker 1: go up there and just do one of them and
Speaker 1: then go down. You might as well just do all
Speaker 1: four in the same day and then boom, you're done
Speaker 1: with the four. So yeah, so I remember, well I
Speaker 1: did the Calibron and that was right after we did
Speaker 1: Toys and Grace together, and then you reach back out
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, we're gonna go do Carson and Challenging. Sure,
Speaker 1: which that was the first real taste that I had
Speaker 1: of like big overnight backpacking for the summer at least,
Speaker 1: because we hiked up I think it was like a
Speaker 1: five four or five mile hike to base camp at
Speaker 1: the Beautiful Lakes, and then we woke up early in
Speaker 1: air quotations because it's never really early when when I'm going,
Speaker 1: And then we climbed those two and I remember because
Speaker 1: it was still at the point in the season where
Speaker 1: there was so much snow And do you remember like
Speaker 1: having to go through the snow on the way up
Speaker 1: the Challenger.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you and I took a different route on
Speaker 2: my friend Tyler kind of went up the snowy route
Speaker 2: and we just kept looking at him like what an idiot?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then didn't end up beating us the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's just a testaments how strong he is, I guess.
Speaker 1: And then the traverse on the way up to kick Carson,
Speaker 1: it was like, you guys were more micro spikes, definitely
Speaker 1: like what you needed to do. There was like ice
Speaker 1: down this big cliff side with like a tiny narrow ledge.
Speaker 1: It was very sketchy. I remember it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't wear micro spikes.
Speaker 1: I was too stubborn too, and I think I only
Speaker 1: had yak tracks too, so I was like these probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't even help me out if I needed them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the way down that I remember, we
Speaker 1: were like this hitting all the way down. That was
Speaker 1: pretty awesome at that point too. In my experience or
Speaker 1: my journey, for lack of a better word, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I have to do this fifty more times. It's hard
Speaker 1: when you first start out, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, especially when you use the tougher ones. You're
Speaker 3: just like I have to do this again, Like this
Speaker 3: was really hard and I'm exhausted.
Speaker 1: But in hindsight, do you think Carson and Challenger were
Speaker 1: the tougher one of the tougher ones, like top fifty percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say top fifty percent for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, those ones were fun though, I do I
Speaker 1: and it just like because it started off kind of
Speaker 1: early with one of those ones. I do really enjoy
Speaker 1: like the overnight trips a lot more. Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: you finished on Windom and Sunlight and yeah, Chicago Basin
Speaker 1: just to summarize that, which is great, and we'll get
Speaker 1: to that, I guess later, because I want to hear
Speaker 1: more about your finishing experience with it all. But so,
Speaker 1: how long did it take you to do fifty eight?
Speaker 1: Pretty quick?
Speaker 2: Still, I started in twenty sixteen, yeah, and twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: so seven you're good at math Son years.
Speaker 1: Seven years? And what this last summer was the most
Speaker 1: active you were with it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I did thirty five this summer, thirty.
Speaker 1: Five, right, I remember that one of the ones we
Speaker 1: were hiking near the end. For me, you were like, well,
Speaker 1: I've already done twenty three, I might as well just
Speaker 1: do thirty And I'm like, who are you doing this for?
Speaker 1: Like what is the what is itself? Actually?
Speaker 3: Which is funny, this podcast it myself looks really cool.
Speaker 1: And it's mission accomplished. So you climbed all fifty eight,
Speaker 1: but how many do you think you've climbed? Like repeats included?
Speaker 2: Probably, Oh yeah, I would say probably like sixty or seventy.
Speaker 1: No more than that, I'd say like eighty okay, maybe eighty,
Speaker 1: let's call it eighty okay. And then the third you
Speaker 1: haven't done many thirteen years or now I have done
Speaker 1: like two okay? Is that it ever going to be
Speaker 1: a list for you to knock you out?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But a fourteen er is a mountain peak that stands
Speaker 1: over fourteen thousand feet. And correct me if I'm wrong
Speaker 1: on any of this stuff. There is According to Google,
Speaker 1: there's ninety eight in the U in the Northern America,
Speaker 1: and fifty eight of those sit in Colorado, surprisingly enough,
Speaker 1: in the Colorado Rocky. So there's like fourteen in California,
Speaker 1: twenty five in Alaska, one in Washington. I think that's
Speaker 1: it right for the most part. Sure, Maybe no, not Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have no idea, no ideas, And so it's
Speaker 1: really cool, especially like living in Colorado. You know, you
Speaker 1: have all of these huge mountains in your backyard, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people do make it their goal to
Speaker 1: climb them. A lot of people make it a goal
Speaker 1: just to climb one, just to climb three, five, ten.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter what it is. But the thing
Speaker 1: is they're not easy. And coming from Illinois, how did
Speaker 1: you adjust to the I guess the elevation, Like, did
Speaker 1: you struggle with the altitude sickness at all?
Speaker 5: On?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not on a fourteen, but just in general,
Speaker 2: just like in the mountains, I've definitely had a lot
Speaker 2: of elevation sickness.
Speaker 1: I remember you ever having it when we did it.
Speaker 2: No, the only time I've really kind of felt it
Speaker 2: was when my friend and I did handies and we
Speaker 2: slept on the top and the first few hours trying
Speaker 2: to breathe and sleep. Yeah, like I was waking up
Speaker 2: like every like two seconds because I would like try
Speaker 2: and fall asleep and then wake right back up because
Speaker 2: I couldn't breathe. So that was like the only time.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't elevation sickness. It was just like couldn't breathe.
Speaker 1: Well, was it cold? It was your sleeping bag over
Speaker 1: your face or something?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was cooking.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: When I met you and then you introduced me to Tyler,
Speaker 1: and you introduced me to Carly. Like your group, it
Speaker 1: seemed like it was pretty fifty to fifty split men
Speaker 1: and women, maybe even more, maybe even more favorable towards women.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So Carly and I had met on a
Speaker 2: hike prior, and I was with my friend Tyler. So
Speaker 2: the two of us were hiking and we met with
Speaker 2: Carly and we all realized we had the same pretty
Speaker 2: similar peaks to finish. So we all made a pack.
Speaker 2: This this is twenty twenty two, made a pack to
Speaker 2: finish them all together. So that was our goal for
Speaker 2: twenty three. That they had like half of what I
Speaker 2: had left, So a lot of those I was gonna
Speaker 2: have to do by myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how many? But you did zero by yourself.
Speaker 3: Right, I've never done a fourteen and by myself, which
Speaker 3: that is correct.
Speaker 1: That is quite the feat in itself. I like, I
Speaker 1: kind of wish I had more friends to hang out
Speaker 1: with going with me. There were times and you'll you'll
Speaker 1: you obviously know this, maybe not firsthand, but just through
Speaker 1: my stories. Is like when I'm hiking by myself, I'll
Speaker 1: just like literally sit down on a rock for like
Speaker 1: an hour doing crosswords and like take a nap and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh my gosh, it's getting late. I
Speaker 1: gotta finish this. And then I'm like finishing in the dark.
Speaker 1: But what's nice is when you're hiking with friends is
Speaker 1: like they keep you, they hold you accountable, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: you can't just stop, man, Like we gotta go.
Speaker 2: There was a couple of what you did stop on
Speaker 2: a rock and I was like, are we ever gonna
Speaker 2: move again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my legs are getting tired. I would like to
Speaker 3: keep moving, And You're like, well, hold on, I got
Speaker 3: two more crosswords to do, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we did Yale, I do remember like walking and
Speaker 1: doing crosswords and well, I don't know why I do that.
Speaker 1: I do just get kind of I don't want to
Speaker 1: say bored, because like that sounds really shallow capit of
Speaker 1: me to say. But when you do all of those,
Speaker 1: it's like they start to look the same, right, and
Speaker 1: you just kind of want to get them over with.
Speaker 1: Like there are so many peaks that I did where
Speaker 1: I was just like I just am doing this just
Speaker 1: to get it done, like I'm not really enjoying myself.
Speaker 2: Yeahha here, And that's why, like the more challenging ones
Speaker 2: like obviously you're not going to sit and do a
Speaker 2: crossword puzzle on capital. Yeah, so they're just a lot
Speaker 2: more fun and there's things to you're really focusing on
Speaker 2: what you're doing versus just like looking at nature, which
Speaker 2: is obviously really cool and.
Speaker 1: That's a really important thing to know it too for
Speaker 1: anyone that's listening to this wondering more about it is
Speaker 1: there's of the fifty eight, like thirty five of them
Speaker 1: are basically hikes, and you could do it with any
Speaker 1: type of fitness level as long as you're like capable
Speaker 1: to handle the elevation. It's just it would just take
Speaker 1: you longer. I kind of mentioned this last week on
Speaker 1: last week's episode. You could you could do it at
Speaker 1: any fitness level, just like just slow down and take
Speaker 1: your time. But then there are certain ones where like
Speaker 1: it gets a little more challenging, you have to use
Speaker 1: your hands and climb sometimes, or there's a lot of
Speaker 1: those traverses that we did where it's like you could
Speaker 1: fall to the right two feet and your debt and
Speaker 1: obviously no one wants that to happen, but majority of
Speaker 1: them are pretty pretty straightforward. I still think to this day,
Speaker 1: my favorite day in the mountains was when we did
Speaker 1: the Little Bear Blanco Traverse.
Speaker 3: Yes, hands down, that was awesome.
Speaker 1: We so similar to what we were talking about with
Speaker 1: Carson and Challenger. You hike up, well, Hannah drove us
Speaker 1: up pretty dangful. So we only had a hike like
Speaker 1: two miles up, but typically you would hike like six
Speaker 1: miles I think something like that into this beautiful basin
Speaker 1: and then you like set up camp there and then
Speaker 1: you wake up the next morning. And I never wake
Speaker 1: up early. I am the absolute early worst early riser.
Speaker 1: I was the first one out of the tent that
Speaker 1: morning you were.
Speaker 3: I was so shocked. Carly and I were sharing a
Speaker 3: tent and I was like, we can land, we can
Speaker 3: sleep in a little bit longer, Deane. It's going to
Speaker 3: take another like probably forty five minutes, and then you
Speaker 3: woke up and you're like, I'm ready to go. I
Speaker 3: looked at Carly, I was like, this is not normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was my first time, meaning Carl two,
Speaker 1: she's everyone that we were doing those web I felt
Speaker 1: like I was the least physically capable person there. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true, think it's I think the
Speaker 1: only thing I had to stay humble. No, I swear
Speaker 1: to God. The only thing that I had it like
Speaker 1: maybe that I could have been better at you guys,
Speaker 1: was I was just like I didn't I wouldn't say,
Speaker 1: you guys are scared of heights, but I just like
Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't bother me. So like when it gets
Speaker 1: like kind of sketchy like that, I'll just be like,
Speaker 1: oh whatever, this is fine. But like the hiking and
Speaker 1: the climbing and like all of the endurance stuff, like
Speaker 1: I'm getting my ass kicked all the time, so I
Speaker 1: have to make.
Speaker 3: It until we go down and then you and Carly
Speaker 3: just left Tyler and I am the dust.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that was just a matter of like I
Speaker 1: just want to get to at this point. But no,
Speaker 1: that hike was amazing. So you we hiked up at
Speaker 1: sunrise before, so I guess we got to the first
Speaker 1: speak around sunrise. And this is touted as maybe the
Speaker 1: most dangerous of the of the whole escapades minus like
Speaker 1: the Bells Traverse or Capital Yeah, or Longs if you
Speaker 1: want to get technical, because most people die on lungs.
Speaker 1: But that's just because most people go do lungs underprepared,
Speaker 1: and it I posted videos on my Instagram and you
Speaker 1: posted a lot of amazing pictures too. It's like you're
Speaker 1: literally just walking a tight rope for a mile and
Speaker 1: there are two thousand four dropped to your left, two
Speaker 1: thousand foot dropped to your right. The stakes are so high,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it so fun and what's great too,
Speaker 1: Like I would have hated doing that alone, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it what made it so enjoyable for me was like,
Speaker 1: you know, one of us are going into doing issue.
Speaker 1: I would be scared to do something, and then Tyler
Speaker 1: or you or Carly would step around and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so easy. You just put your hand here and
Speaker 1: you just pull up onto this, and then you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I can do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There were so many instances where we were like switching
Speaker 1: leaders too, you know, like Tyler led the first quarter,
Speaker 1: I did the second quarter, You did the third quarter,
Speaker 1: and they probably did the last quarter. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: pretty great. So if you're thinking about doing that, make
Speaker 1: sure you're ready for it. But still, to this day,
Speaker 1: the best day.
Speaker 2: Of mon Yeah, Oh my gosh, so much fun and
Speaker 2: you're just on the entire time you're just think like
Speaker 2: thinking about the next step in front of you.
Speaker 3: You're just yeah, it's really good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then we went up and did Humboldt right
Speaker 1: after that too, which is actually really fun. I was
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised by how fun humble it was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then what did we do? So then
Speaker 1: we kind of then I was at like forty or
Speaker 1: something and you were at like fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I hit fifty or maybe fifty one
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 1: You were like going so hard from like late spring
Speaker 1: to midsummer, and then I think that you like kind
Speaker 1: of knew that you were going to finish on this day,
Speaker 1: and so you're like, Okay, I'm gonna take like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a break now, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we had our finisher date already set in stone,
Speaker 2: like we had planned everything because Chicago Basin, which is
Speaker 2: where we finished, we had to have a train ticket
Speaker 2: to get into the Basin, so you have to book
Speaker 2: that ahead of time. So we knew the date that
Speaker 2: we were going to finish. We had a whole crew
Speaker 2: of people that was coming with us, so yeah, we
Speaker 2: just kind of planned everything around that day. So there
Speaker 2: was some timeframes where I wasn't really doing a whole
Speaker 2: locks they didn't really have to do.
Speaker 1: Right because you already knew. It was like a foregone
Speaker 1: conclusion that unless you got up there and like weather
Speaker 1: didn't let you do it, yeah, that's how you were
Speaker 1: going to finish. And honestly, you saved my butt because
Speaker 1: when we were doing Carson and Challenger, you were talking
Speaker 1: about that Chicago Basin trip and you were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to book our tickets. Thankfully we got the
Speaker 1: last ones, and I was like, wait a second, you
Speaker 1: have to reserve those tickets. And I like immediately got
Speaker 1: on the phone with my brother when I got into
Speaker 1: service and I was like, hey, we have to get
Speaker 1: tickets for this train, and like you can't just show
Speaker 1: up and he goes, no, you're wrong, You're wrong. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, we need to call these guys, and
Speaker 1: he called them and he was like, we literally got
Speaker 1: the last two or it's sozing, which is so fortunate.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Chicago Basin for a second, because
Speaker 1: that Rivals It maybe wasn't as fun of a day
Speaker 1: as a little Bear Blanco traverse, but the experience as
Speaker 1: a whole was maybe one of the best backpacking experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you drive to Durango, you jump on the steam
Speaker 1: train that takes you up into Needletin, and then you
Speaker 1: hike six miles into this Again, it's so hard to
Speaker 1: not sound redundant when you're talking about this stuff, but like,
Speaker 1: and then you hike six miles up into this beautiful
Speaker 1: little basin area, and then from there you're surrounded by
Speaker 1: four peaks and they're not just like you know, we
Speaker 1: were talking earlier about the easy ones and the hard ones.
Speaker 1: Those ones are all pretty technical more or less, but
Speaker 1: not super challenging, but like technical enough to keep you interested.
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, And that was an amazing weekend because
Speaker 1: we did it. I did it with my brother, and
Speaker 1: I know you did it with your friends to finish.
Speaker 1: It's just it's amazing up there, and you were with
Speaker 1: like twenty people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a crew of people. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: I mean, I made it super special because people flew
Speaker 2: in from all over Tennessee California just to come support,
Speaker 2: which is really really cool.
Speaker 1: Did they climb them with you?
Speaker 3: So it was like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: So the first day we did the two elios and
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to say that word. But
Speaker 2: Elios and North Fiolis. Yeah, so we did those the
Speaker 2: first day, trying to wait for the snow to fall
Speaker 2: off of the or melt on window, which was our finisher,
Speaker 2: because it had snowed and it was probably going to
Speaker 2: be pretty dangerous. So did the first two first, and
Speaker 2: we had probably fifty percent of us do those, and
Speaker 2: then six of us I think were on the finisher day.
Speaker 1: And what did you to celebrate up there?
Speaker 3: I pop some champagne, We had some balloons. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my finisher funny enough actually, because you're in this
Speaker 1: story as well. It was an equally I don't want
Speaker 1: to say equally challenging because they're challenging in different ways.
Speaker 1: But we did the Bells traverse to finish, which you
Speaker 1: had done maybe like a week or two prior, but
Speaker 1: you had done the bells separately.
Speaker 3: Right, I had done them separately.
Speaker 2: And then the day that we wanted to do the traverse,
Speaker 2: it was just too stormy, So we ended up not
Speaker 2: doing that, and so I I knew I wanted to
Speaker 2: go back and get the traverse to do all four traverses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so went back and did it again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so the Bells traverse is considered and I
Speaker 1: would vouch for it as well being the most challenging
Speaker 1: of the of anything that we did in the fourteen ers.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I would say give or take between that
Speaker 3: and Little Bear Blanca, But.
Speaker 1: Little Bear Blanca was more like mentally challenging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I would say the Bells is more
Speaker 2: challenging because you're upward climbing, so there are some parts
Speaker 2: where you're.
Speaker 3: Like, do I need a rope for this? Like, am
Speaker 3: I okay?
Speaker 1: Well, and we were when we were climbing it. We
Speaker 1: were like, I know I can climb up that, but
Speaker 1: if I go the wrong way and I have to
Speaker 1: turn around, I definitely cannot climb down that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so that was my big
Speaker 1: mental crux in the Bells was because your the roote
Speaker 1: is not at all well defined and there's not really
Speaker 1: much beta you can find online, so you're you're using
Speaker 1: your best judgment and and most times you're probably going
Speaker 1: to be right, but there are so many horror stories
Speaker 1: you have people up there where they go the wrong
Speaker 1: way and they get mountain rescued off or whatever. So
Speaker 1: that was my big thing with their Bells traverse because
Speaker 1: there was a super vertical pitch. I'm sure you probably
Speaker 1: did the same one where it's like, you know, not
Speaker 1: super long, like they're you're forty feet, but you are
Speaker 1: vertical climbing. Yeah, and you're like kind of on like
Speaker 1: this little rat thing and so you're super exposed, no
Speaker 1: ropes or anything, and you're pretty tired of that point too. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: I think everyone probably goes through this. At that section,
Speaker 1: you're like, you get to the top and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, that was the right way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you do it the opposite direction, So
Speaker 2: we went south. Both of us went south to north.
Speaker 2: If you do north to south, you do need a
Speaker 2: rope to repel that part. So that was the part
Speaker 2: where I was like, hopefully this is right, because if
Speaker 2: I need to get down from here, I don't have
Speaker 2: a rope.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that's that good. I know that
Speaker 1: people will do it north to south of the interesting
Speaker 1: because I didn't really see any blay rings or anything
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what they do, like slinging around
Speaker 3: a rock or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, So then I did North Maroon the
Speaker 1: day before my wedding, and so Kaylen was an Aspen.
Speaker 1: My brother was an Aspen. I did it with him.
Speaker 1: And then my best friend was an Aspen. He lives here,
Speaker 1: I guess, so I did it with him as well.
Speaker 1: Got to the bottom and Hannah and Carly and Kaylin
Speaker 1: and my brother's wife were all sitting there waiting with
Speaker 1: balloons and cake. It's great experience.
Speaker 2: Part was when we were waiting for you guys, and
Speaker 2: Kaylen is kind of duck down and we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're gonna give them this balloons and whatever. And I
Speaker 2: look over to Kaylin, I'm like, I love surprises, and
Speaker 2: she's like.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, do you hate surprises?
Speaker 1: Do I do you hate surprises? And also, weren't you, like,
Speaker 1: didn't you plan for us to be done by like
Speaker 1: two and we didn't get done till like five.
Speaker 3: For yeah, yeah, I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: where they're at. They should be downe already. I wasn't
Speaker 3: trying to pan at Kaylan.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why it took us so long.
Speaker 1: I mean when it started late, But I do remember
Speaker 1: it being like extra scary because it had it was
Speaker 1: the first snow of the new season, and like the
Speaker 1: descent down South Moroon into the saddle area was like
Speaker 1: super slippery and sketchy, and so we were like very
Speaker 1: very slow through that area. And also I'm not a
Speaker 1: very fast Sometimes I'm fast, but I would say majority
Speaker 1: of the time, I'm not fast.
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Speaker 1: When we hiked Laplata, do you remember that one? Yes,
Speaker 1: we were so slow that day and we got like
Speaker 1: such a crappy weather system rolled in on us.
Speaker 3: That's because we started at two pm.
Speaker 1: Which is also something I really enjoy doing.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just remember I drove from Denver that day
Speaker 2: and I left at six am, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at the trailhead at nine am.
Speaker 3: We'll start And You're like, do you want to be
Speaker 3: for breakfast? I'm like, not really, I just drove three
Speaker 3: hours to come hike this, but okay, let's go get
Speaker 3: breakfast first. That's honestly why you're and we didn't start
Speaker 3: till two That's.
Speaker 1: Why you're a great HEGs partner though, because so many
Speaker 1: people would be like, this is not happening, this is bullshit, whatever,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But you're just like, yeah, whatever, I
Speaker 1: guess you know, it's good to have someone that's willing
Speaker 1: to go with the flow, because if I'm always going
Speaker 1: with the flow, and if you're going with the flow
Speaker 1: and your partner is like very type A and not
Speaker 1: go with the flow, it could be a bad oil
Speaker 1: and water kind of situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That almost it gives in trouble because we started it
Speaker 2: too and it hailed it kind of storm, but it
Speaker 2: was like enough away, it didn't storm. On us, but
Speaker 2: it was there and it was just super windy and
Speaker 2: super windy, and I like ran down it. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm leaving you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember being way steeper than I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be, so I like mentally wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for it, and so I just was so slow
Speaker 1: going up it. God, Laplata sucked. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: I hate it. And that was my second time doing it.
Speaker 2: The first time around, I was like, I am never
Speaker 2: doing thea Plata ever again. Yeah, And then you're like,
Speaker 2: you want to do la Plata with.
Speaker 1: Another mountain as well? I know you did Yale a
Speaker 1: couple of times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I didn't sum Yes I did.
Speaker 1: We don't even get into that. But didn't you say
Speaker 1: that you did it again or something after we did
Speaker 1: it Yale? No?
Speaker 2: No, But there was a couple that I was like,
Speaker 2: I will never do this one again.
Speaker 3: And then I did it again with you. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I was just trying to be a good friend.
Speaker 1: And and you were kicking ass. You got thirty five peaks.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get to ones where you're like, I'm never
Speaker 2: going to do this again. It was a horrible experience.
Speaker 2: I just am I just don't ever want to do
Speaker 2: this and then you're like, maybe I can redeem it,
Speaker 2: like maybe the next time I do this it'll be better. Yeah,
Speaker 2: some of them I would say were, But some of
Speaker 2: them I was.
Speaker 1: Like, NOPEA definitely did not.
Speaker 3: Read laplata, did not redeem it.
Speaker 1: So there is how many ranges do you think there
Speaker 1: are with fourteen years? Like five or five? I think
Speaker 1: it's five five? Yeah, okay. One of those ranges in particular,
Speaker 1: I would can and I would text back in there
Speaker 1: like little group chat that I put myself into with
Speaker 1: Tyler entirely, and every chance I got, I would lament
Speaker 1: about how much I hated the what was it? Not
Speaker 1: the was it the littlest hoals? No, the little hous
Speaker 1: are in Utah?
Speaker 3: It was the what is the collegiate peaks are?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is that one called?
Speaker 3: I'm blinking collegiate peak range?
Speaker 1: Wherever the collegiate peak are? That mountain range? And I
Speaker 1: would mention it every chance I got, like on social
Speaker 1: media to be like I will never come back here again,
Speaker 1: and I got so many people being like, you just
Speaker 1: don't get it. I love that place so much, and
Speaker 1: I'm like that's fine, that's great. You can love this
Speaker 1: as much as you want, but for me personally, an
Speaker 1: absolute grind. And there was like, there's like fourteen mountains
Speaker 1: in that range, and they're all like ten plus mile hikes.
Speaker 3: And they're all very similar, and they're all very similar.
Speaker 1: None of them are like exciting enough to be fun.
Speaker 1: They're just long ekes. They're long, horrible.
Speaker 3: You're not selling these at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so by the I think the last one
Speaker 1: I did in that range was I was gonna say
Speaker 1: enormous Peak, but that's obviously not what it's called. What
Speaker 1: is the one next to Albert mass enormous.
Speaker 3: Not a massive, it's just it's not enormous, it's just massive.
Speaker 1: When I got done with that one, I like literally
Speaker 1: screamed on this peak and I was like, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: finally done with these mountains because I only had fun
Speaker 1: ones left. I had like the Elks and holy Cross,
Speaker 1: which I was dreading holy Cross but actually had a blast.
Speaker 3: I love toly Cross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sneaky fun, but yeah, I mean that's basically all
Speaker 1: of you we got time for. Did it go by
Speaker 1: faster than any thought? Yes? I want to ask you
Speaker 1: some more questions about being a female hiker, because I
Speaker 1: feel like the listeners of this podcast, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: I would say I'm a majority female and a perspective
Speaker 1: like yours is so unique and so lucky. I'm so
Speaker 1: lucky to have you on here, and so I want
Speaker 1: to be able to pick your brain for as many
Speaker 1: questions as I can, But I can't think of anything
Speaker 1: right now. What advice do you have for women who
Speaker 1: are considering getting into backpacking or hiking or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I would say, find people to go with, Find like
Speaker 2: cool females to go with, because I think for me,
Speaker 2: like the biggest thing was if I'd HiPE with the guy,
Speaker 2: you'd always be like, oh, well, he's just gonna lead,
Speaker 2: like it's fine. But when you go by yourself or
Speaker 2: you're with other females, you're like you're the ones that
Speaker 2: are in charge, and it just gives you so much
Speaker 2: I don't know, you just feel so good about yourself,
Speaker 2: like I can do this. I'm out here with my
Speaker 2: girlfriends and this is like so much fun and not
Speaker 2: like discrediting go with guys, and like, you know, it
Speaker 2: was awesome to hike with you, but like it's really
Speaker 2: cool and it's like just you and your girlfriend and
Speaker 2: you're like this, we can do really cool shit together.
Speaker 1: I loved hiking with you guys, because like if as
Speaker 1: you were karly leading, I'd be like, great, I'm following
Speaker 1: these women. I'm not at all mad about it. This
Speaker 1: is awesome, Like just it's so funny because like the
Speaker 1: mountain doesn't care if you're a guy or girl, obviously,
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of ego gets put into
Speaker 1: that too, Like with guys, like you're saying like they
Speaker 1: just feel like they need to lead, but in reality
Speaker 1: it's like, no, they don't. But there is just like
Speaker 1: this weird stigma around around that for some reason, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I think a majority of people that do hiker guys
Speaker 2: or that hike these fourteen ers or guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's really cool.
Speaker 2: I found a group on Instagram who they're all females
Speaker 2: and they've all finished the fourteen years and I thought
Speaker 2: it was the coolest thing and I wanted to be
Speaker 2: a part of this group so bad that I like
Speaker 2: message them all and now we're friends, which is really cool.
Speaker 2: So just finding like that community of people.
Speaker 1: So if you're a girl looking to get into hiking
Speaker 1: or backpacking or rock climbing or anything you would suggest
Speaker 1: that they would go on like Facebook can try to
Speaker 1: join a.
Speaker 2: Group, Yeah, Facebook fourteen ers groups, Instagram. I just started
Speaker 2: messaging people. I would like use the hashtag fourteen ers
Speaker 2: or females doing fourteen ers or whatever the hashtag was,
Speaker 2: and just find girls that were doing it and I
Speaker 2: would just instagram message them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about like the gatekeeping of
Speaker 1: the mountains, How do you feel about not like this
Speaker 1: isn't particular to men or women, how do you just
Speaker 1: feel about that in general?
Speaker 4: Mm?
Speaker 1: I question it actually is for you because this is
Speaker 1: why it's such an interesting question for you and for
Speaker 1: probably majority of people too. It's like if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for if like you got into the sport at it,
Speaker 1: you know, in your twenties, and so if people gate
Speaker 1: kept all their information, it would be so much harder
Speaker 1: for you to answer the sport. But now that you're
Speaker 1: into it and you're like ingrained in it, there are
Speaker 1: certain things that you want to hold sacred to yourself
Speaker 1: and to the people that you know that you've been
Speaker 1: through it with. But like, without without people opening up
Speaker 1: your eyes to it, it never would have happened for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true to gatekeeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know that's fair. So pro or anti I would say
Speaker 1: pro pro gatekeeping.
Speaker 3: No anti anti gaypee take it back to get back.
Speaker 6: I'm also insisted the question anti gatekeeper.
Speaker 1: I hate when people gatekeep. I get it to an extent,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I hate when I'm
Speaker 1: like it happens in photography all the time, where it's
Speaker 1: like you see someone post this beautiful spot you it's
Speaker 1: like a friend, and you reach out and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: where is this just want to know for future reference,
Speaker 1: and they're like, ah, man, it's a secret spot of mine.
Speaker 1: I can't tell anyone.
Speaker 3: And it's like, come on, I just think there's a
Speaker 3: level too.
Speaker 2: Like the only part of me that would be pro
Speaker 2: for like for it would be just like the safety aspect,
Speaker 2: like I'm not just going to tell anyone they can
Speaker 2: go do some of this stuff because I don't know
Speaker 2: your safety level or your level of skill. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that would be Yeah, that's my only reason to.
Speaker 1: Your credit with that. I did catch some flax sometimes
Speaker 1: because I would always like underplay the severity of on
Speaker 1: like social media. I did the cables up longs, which
Speaker 1: is like a five to four, and it was not
Speaker 1: a five four. It was like maybe five maybe it
Speaker 1: was maybe even less than fifth class. And I wrote
Speaker 1: about this on social media and I had a couple
Speaker 1: of people reach out and they were like, this, this
Speaker 1: is dangerous of you to be encouraging people to go
Speaker 1: do it or like you're like basically saying it's more
Speaker 1: safe than it is, and so someone could go up
Speaker 1: there and hurt themselves. And I totally get that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're going up there to do that and
Speaker 1: you're not doing your own research separate of just my
Speaker 1: little Instagram caption, like you're kind of saying, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of unyas anyway. Yeah, yeah, any other advice for
Speaker 1: girls out there? Do you wish you started younger?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, I mean I was
Speaker 3: pretty I'm when I started.
Speaker 1: I guess you are.
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's like, are you calling me old?
Speaker 1: Well, I wish I started my late teens. My knees
Speaker 1: would be a lot more grateful.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. Yeah, I mean my body would hurt less,
Speaker 3: recovery would be probably better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I feel like you never really had an
Speaker 1: issue with recovery, maybe like some soreness.
Speaker 3: I just hit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was popping two thousand milligrams of
Speaker 1: ivy prof and every single day just to get through.
Speaker 1: And then I stopped after I was done finding everything,
Speaker 1: I stopped taking it, and my body would just ache
Speaker 1: every single day, And I'm like, what is that? This
Speaker 1: is horrible?
Speaker 3: Is this what it feels like to be old?
Speaker 1: Is this what it feels like? That's a a illegal
Speaker 1: dose of I'd be broken in my body every single day.
Speaker 1: What's your next goal?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, I want to do half dome cables down. I
Speaker 2: want to climb the Grand possibly free sol.
Speaker 3: Of the Grand.
Speaker 1: Then Spalding right, yes.
Speaker 2: Big term time goals. L Cap is up there and
Speaker 2: the Diamond on Longs.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, your diamond is the coolest rock I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my entire life. Yes, it's crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's also crazy too to think about. Like l Cap
Speaker 1: has to It's like the same thing but just twenty
Speaker 1: times longer. Right, Yeah, But what's special about the diamond
Speaker 1: is you get up onto Capitol and you're just standing
Speaker 1: right on top of it or lungs. That's what I meant.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Once you get up on top of Longs,
Speaker 1: you're like literally standing on top of the diamond, right
Speaker 1: and you look you don't really look down, I guess,
Speaker 1: because you'd probably fall off, but like you can get
Speaker 1: off to the side and like see this sheer two
Speaker 1: hundred three hundred foot clip just sheer. Granted, it's the
Speaker 1: most aesthetic looking rock I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 2: And that's the cool thing about the fourteen years is
Speaker 2: there so many different routes you can do, so now
Speaker 2: that I finish them, going back and doing like you
Speaker 2: did the Cables rout and Longs, Like doing the Cables
Speaker 2: route would be like a goal to do that, or
Speaker 2: just we saw Laplata that had like a really cool route,
Speaker 2: we didn't do it, but going back and doing that along.
Speaker 1: The ridge over there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And just doing different iterations of the same thing.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like now that you you've made this
Speaker 1: joke a couple of times when we were hiking, and
Speaker 1: I totally agree with it too. You're like, you've kind
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say, like you made it
Speaker 1: your personality, but you did make it like such a
Speaker 1: big part of your life for the especially the remaining year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, and then you finish it and
Speaker 1: then you're like, now what I like laid.
Speaker 3: In bed for two weeks? Like what am I supposed
Speaker 3: to do with myself?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Is this how life ends? Am I done?
Speaker 1: Because a lot of those goals that you mentioned are
Speaker 1: they're great goals, but you could do those in you know, theoretically,
Speaker 1: like a day or two. Except for l CAAP, I
Speaker 1: guess ituld probably take a little bit longer. Yeah, plus
Speaker 1: the training for it. But it's hard to find a
Speaker 1: goal that takes you years, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's why you always got set different goals,
Speaker 2: new goals after have a goal before you start the
Speaker 2: next goal, so that you always have something to look
Speaker 2: forward to.
Speaker 1: It's really smart. Actually, that's good advice from Hannah. Start
Speaker 1: a goal before you finish the last goal. I might
Speaker 1: need to take your advice on that one. That's good. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we'll be sure to keep a look out for that.
Speaker 1: What's your Instagram plug it so we can.
Speaker 3: All follow you, Hannah underscore on the road.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you shared your whole Instagram handle there. You
Speaker 1: just don't tell me to no, I know, but you
Speaker 1: didn't obviously you have to. You were just talking about
Speaker 1: how how you wanted to go under a fake alias
Speaker 1: for this podcast, Heather underscore on the Road Off the
Speaker 1: Bike Road. Yeah yeah, sweet, Well, is there anything else
Speaker 1: you want to add?
Speaker 3: That's pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 1: Are you sure?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a second a thing. Okay, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all you want to add? Well, Hey, I wanted to
Speaker 1: say thank you so much for hiking those mountains of me. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: thanks for being a great friend. Absolutely, thanks for reaching
Speaker 1: out to me on Instagram. Absolutely anything you want to
Speaker 1: thank me for. All Right, that's gonna do it. That's
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Thank you guys so much for listening
Speaker 1: to this week's episode of Been There Dean That be
Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week, where maybe we suggest
Speaker 1: a little bit less