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Speaker 1: Colson Media.

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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome to Executive Dysfunction, a podcast.

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Speaker 3: If you.

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Speaker 2: Ed, it's Electoral Disuction colectile.

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Speaker 4: Executive Disordered, our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the

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Speaker 4: White House, the crumbling world, and what it means for you.

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Speaker 2: Not about digstaff sponsored by HIMS, not yet, hopefully one day.

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Speaker 4: I'm Garrison Davis today him joined by James Stout, Mio Wong,

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Speaker 4: and Robert Evans, who never knows the title of the

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Speaker 4: podcast that he's on.

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Speaker 2: In my defense, I'm on a lot of podcasts, I.

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Speaker 3: Was gonna say, just because Robert Evans lives in like

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Speaker 3: a constant podcast.

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Speaker 4: This episode, we are covering the week of February twelve

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Speaker 4: to February nineteen. Let's start with a brief Eric Adams update,

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Speaker 4: or as I call it, an.

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Speaker 3: Ew that's a Turkish for Eric Adams update.

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Speaker 4: So, in response to the calls to drop the Turkish

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Speaker 4: corruption charges against New York Mayor Eric Adams, eight top

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Speaker 4: federal prosecutors have resigned in protest. Then we had four

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Speaker 4: deputy mayors leave office. The New York Governor is now

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Speaker 4: considering removing Adams from office, which somehow is something that

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Speaker 4: the governor of New York has power to do, by

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Speaker 4: the way, and also the city council speaker has called

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Speaker 4: on the mayor to resign. There's a judge doing a

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Speaker 4: hearing on Wednesday as we are recording this right now,

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Speaker 4: on whether to appoint a special prosecutor to continue prosecuting

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Speaker 4: the charges despite you know, Trump's effort to have these

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Speaker 4: charges drops to help to help Adams make sure that

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Speaker 4: ice raids can continue in this city in a very

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Speaker 4: very clear quid pro quo. So this is a developing story.

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Speaker 4: We will continue on the Eric Adams front as this changes.

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Speaker 5: By the way, people could miss it the first time,

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Speaker 5: like a few months ago, we did record an entire

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Speaker 5: episode about the things that he actually did, which are

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Speaker 5: unbelievably funny. So go listen to that. We're not going

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Speaker 5: to talk about them here, but it very very funny corruption.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't get the Turkey joke, we explain

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Speaker 3: it in detail there.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure people are familiar with the Turkey situation in general.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: Next, on a related note, on Tuesday, President Trump instructed

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Speaker 4: the DOJ to fire all Biden appointed US attorneys. Now,

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Speaker 4: usually these types of appointments do resign at the end

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Speaker 4: of their president's term. But Trump just immediately going out

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Speaker 4: to fire all of them is a new, unique, and

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Speaker 4: noteworthy and Trump has done some other noteworthy things to

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Speaker 4: expand executive power, and for more on that, I will

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Speaker 4: turn to Mia Wong.

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Speaker 5: Oh Boy. So yesterday, on Tuesday the eighteenth, Trump signed

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Speaker 5: an executive order that effectively is just him saying the

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Speaker 5: words I am the law over and over again. The

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Speaker 5: actual sort of content of the executive order is convoluted,

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Speaker 5: but basically what he's saying is that, like the presidency

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Speaker 5: and like him specifically, is in control of all government agencies.

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Speaker 5: And this is an end to a very very long

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Speaker 5: standing practice of well, okay, attempt to end the long

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Speaker 5: standing practice of there being like independent regulatory agencies which

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Speaker 5: were set up by Congress. And what what Trump was

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Speaker 5: doing here is claiming that, you know, this is the

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Speaker 5: thing called the unitary executive theory. There's a whole history

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Speaker 5: of this Republican Party. This is the most unhinged unitary

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Speaker 5: executive theory thing we've ever seen, where he is just

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Speaker 5: straight up claiming that he should be able to run

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Speaker 5: all these things that none of these independent regulatory agencies

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Speaker 5: and this includes stuff like the FCC, the Securities and

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Speaker 5: Exchange Commission, stuff like that actually all just directly answered

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Speaker 5: to him and not to you know, Congress or or

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Speaker 5: as you know, function as independent bodies like they were

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Speaker 5: set up to be by Acts of Congress. It states

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Speaker 5: that everyone's legal opinions that come out of these things

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Speaker 5: like have to agree with legal opinions of the Presidency.

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Speaker 5: And it basically sets up reporting thing where all of

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Speaker 5: these things have to like report any major policy decisions

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Speaker 5: that they're going to make to Russell Vott, who's like

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Speaker 5: one of the co authors of Project twenty twenty five. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so in some sense, it's a codification of the stuff

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Speaker 5: he's already been trying to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Ever since basically he got inaugurated again, they've been trying

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Speaker 4: under the authority of the executive branch.

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Speaker 5: And there's a number of sort of alarming things about

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Speaker 5: this one. This is a like even by the standards

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Speaker 5: they're just like grabbing people off the streets like this

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Speaker 5: And I think this is also worth noting in the

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Speaker 5: context of a bunch of the shit he's been saying

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Speaker 5: over the past week. Like last week he had the

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Speaker 5: the he who says his country does not violate any law,

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Speaker 5: which is like, I think, think a fake Napoleon quote.

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Speaker 2: It's a fake Napoleon quote from a movie made in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies in the Soviet Union. I believe the

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Speaker 2: name of the movie was Wateroo That rules. It's famous

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Speaker 2: that's where the quote. I think the quote may have

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Speaker 2: another origin, but that's the famous origin. It probably was

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Speaker 2: never said by Napoleon.

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Speaker 4: Well, and earlier today, the official White House account tweeted

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Speaker 4: about abolishing the New York City congestion pricing with basically

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Speaker 4: like a magazine cover style image of Trump wearing a

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Speaker 4: crown with texts that reads, long Live the King.

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Speaker 5: And again that was the That was the official Twitter

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Speaker 4: House, which has also been doing something like unhinged posting,

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Speaker 4: including like ASMR deportation videos. It's like really dark stuff,

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Speaker 4: like like viscerally upsetting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like the opening credit Somebody's Austin movie.

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Speaker 3: The White House twitter feed right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the stuff like you used to not be

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Speaker 2: able to talk about being a king an American polity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty recently.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of the whole point of this country.

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Speaker 2: There's a state where the whole motto is six simper tyrannus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the unit of the the United States military.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, And okay, so I want to come back

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Speaker 5: of the things that probably will be the crucial legal fight,

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Speaker 5: which is that like he's claiming the ability to be

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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of sort of legal fuzziness about that

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Speaker 5: and about to what extent these things are supposed to

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Speaker 5: But this is such a big step. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 5: happening that a year ago, if you proposed it, everyone

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Speaker 5: would have thought you were completely out of your mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and this is stuff that that like Robert has

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Speaker 4: been talking about for a long time. There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of people talking about the Heritage Foundations push for

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Speaker 4: the unitary executive theory, stuff that Curtis Harrabin's been talking about.

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Speaker 4: Like my article last week on Shattersone kind of underlines

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Speaker 4: where they are going with with this. And and yeah,

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Speaker 4: like the consequences are so vast and unknowable because we've

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Speaker 4: we've never had an executive that is kind of this

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Speaker 4: like total executive control over the entirety of the federal government.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I want to end with like one of

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Speaker 5: the other really chilling parts of this, which is that

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Speaker 5: if you read the executive Order, the underlying logic of

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Speaker 5: it is that like the president is like the physical

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Speaker 5: manifestation of the will of the people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the fear of prince.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, never been done before like that.

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Speaker 5: And also specifically then Napoleon quote about like he U

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Speaker 5: literally the legal principle that Carl Schmidt developed, like specifically

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Speaker 5: to put Hitler in power as the fewer Ye, So this.

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Speaker 4: Is great, I mean, and Musk and Trump have been

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Speaker 4: saying stuff akin to that in interviews, like being asked

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Speaker 4: like how is Doge allowed to do this sort of stuff?

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Speaker 4: Musk and Trump have been saying, well, the people voted

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Speaker 4: goes past like our technical authority, it's what the people wanted.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna remove all of these bureaucrats that ordinarily

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Speaker 3: Governed, the mandate of Heaven.

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Speaker 4: Even if that just completely bypasses Congress, even if that

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Speaker 4: denies the courts, which we'll talk about more later, they

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Speaker 4: are willing to go as far as as they can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and no one stopped them yet, right, Like, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, some of the courts are trying, but trying isn't

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Speaker 3: They seem to be an open violation of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: More on that later.

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Speaker 4: Let's touch on immigration with James and then and then

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Speaker 4: we will have a quick break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Perfect, Okay, So what I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: is this. It was first reported by the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: I've since confirmed it with sources on the ground in Panama.

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Speaker 3: The Trump administration is detaining migrants that it can't deport

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Speaker 3: to their home countries in Panama currently. So currently, these

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Speaker 3: are places where the US doesn't have good relations with

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Speaker 3: their government. Right, they'll be Afghans, they'll be Iranians, people

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Speaker 3: like that. The US seems to have found a way

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Speaker 3: to deport Venezuelan's using an airline that was sanctioned until

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Speaker 3: to take Venezuelan people back to Venezuela. If you want

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Speaker 3: to hear about like people leaving Iran and why they're

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Speaker 3: leaving Iran, you can listen to my episodes I did

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Speaker 3: in the Dadian Gap. They came out late October November

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Speaker 3: of last year. But right now they're being kind of

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Speaker 3: the New York Times kind of mischaracterizes the detention center

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Speaker 3: at Sanvicente. I'm guessing this is because they haven't been

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Speaker 3: there and I have. They called it like a detention

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Speaker 3: center that's being built, quote close to the jungle. It

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Speaker 3: looks close to the jungle if you're looking on Google Maps,

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Speaker 3: I suppose it's off it's off the Pan American Highway. Actually,

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Speaker 3: you literally take a dirt road off the Pan American

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Speaker 3: Highway and you come across this huge prison facility. It's

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Speaker 3: all big, modern white buildings. The old facility that was

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Speaker 3: there burned down and it's been rebuilt largely I'm getting

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Speaker 3: with money from when the Biden administration was funding deportations

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Speaker 3: for Panama in twenty twenty four. It's a vast attention facility.

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Speaker 3: At the time when I went there, my fixered Daddy

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Speaker 3: and Ella and I weren't allowed to access the facility,

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Speaker 3: but it was very clearly like too big for what

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Speaker 4: It's crushing me with as James takes off his plate

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Speaker 3: Rude or offensive when I had to take my headmans

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Speaker 4: So last week, last week RFK Junior was confirmed as

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Speaker 4: On February thirteenth, Trump signed in executive order establishing a

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Speaker 4: No, No, everything in this order has the most like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which RFK Junior helped cause by pushing a shitload

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Speaker 2: Well, which leads to a separate problem. But you know,

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Section two of the order calls to quote

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Speaker 4: On Tuesday, r K Junior made his first official statement

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Speaker 5: Four G, five G cell tower shit great.

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Speaker 2: If we are going to see stockbrokers leaping out of

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Speaker 3: Of, it's that stuff.

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Speaker 5: We are simply going to move to an economy that

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna start store them like pepper corns.

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Speaker 4: Lastly, before we go on, break borders are Tom Homan

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Speaker 4: the DOJ and the Deputy Attorney General to investigate AOC

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Speaker 4: for interfering with ICE actions by simply educating people about

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Speaker 4: their rights. I have a clip here I'm going to

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Speaker 4: play in the podcast with Homan on Sean Hannity.

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Speaker 1: When does it cross a line into aiding and embedding

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Speaker 1: law breaking?

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't have to have direct involvement by her in

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Speaker 2: helping people to evade ICE.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly the question I pull go to the deput

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Speaker 6: Attorney General. I asked them to look into I says,

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Speaker 6: I you know, I know I through my career, someone

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Speaker 6: steps in front of it, in between you and the

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Speaker 6: personal rest and your repeating yeah, that's a violation. But

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Speaker 6: what point do you cross line on saying you're educating

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Speaker 6: people versus your teaching howled bade ice wrest. So I've

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Speaker 6: asked that question to the Department of Justice for clear

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Speaker 6: guidance so I can share that with the officers advice.

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Speaker 6: So we're looking for that, uh, clear direction so we

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Speaker 6: can start taking action. And people don't want to invade,

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Speaker 6: who want to help educate these people to evade ice.

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Speaker 6: So hopefully any day now we get that guidance sent

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Speaker 6: out to the field.

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Speaker 4: Let's turn this over to discussion. James, I'm sure, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you have some thoughts on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, this is the kind of foundational to the

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Speaker 3: Constitution rights access to an attorney, the right to an attorney,

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Speaker 3: And it's again something that like even under Biden, that

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Speaker 3: the DHS have been taking a swing at. Specifically, we've

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Speaker 3: done an episode last year about transferring detained people in

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Speaker 3: ice custom away from their attorneys. Right in this most

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Speaker 3: cases it was people from California, specificlarly San Diego, County

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Speaker 3: because San Diego County had a program that funded some

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Speaker 3: attorney access and moving them to Texas. So like you're

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Speaker 3: either going to bleed that program dry flying attorneys to

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Speaker 3: Texas or have them do it over a phone call.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of these people who are detained because

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Speaker 3: they come from dictatorial countries don't feel like phone calls

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Speaker 3: are secure, and so they're they're not really going to

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Speaker 3: feel comfortable talking to their attorney on a phone call.

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Speaker 3: We've done a whole episode about.

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Speaker 4: That, you can go back and listen to it, and

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Speaker 4: like this is very basic Fourth Amendment stuff and that

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Speaker 4: this this applies to you whether or not you were

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Speaker 4: a citizen, and this applies.

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Speaker 5: To you if you are in this country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have these rights.

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Speaker 4: And it is within ices and the Tom Holman's interests

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Speaker 4: to make people not realize that they actually do have

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Speaker 4: rights regardless of their immigration status.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Like they're not gonna tell you, necessarily, right

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Speaker 3: what rights you have. No, they're not going to tell

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Speaker 3: you they don't have the right to enter your house.

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Speaker 4: Police want to enter your home and if you open

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Speaker 4: the door, they but you do not need to open

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Speaker 4: the door. And like this is like very basic stuff

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Speaker 4: of informing people, really getting on Tom Homan's nervous. He's

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Speaker 4: been on news like five times the past week to

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Speaker 4: specifically complain about AOZ. He really wants sort of get

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Speaker 4: arrested for this thing that's not a crime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of what they're going forward throughout, right,

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Speaker 3: But like I know, for instance, in California, lots of

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Speaker 3: universities have these like know your Rights cards accessible that

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Speaker 3: you can have them in your lectures and give them

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Speaker 3: out your students so they can take them regardless of

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Speaker 3: citizenship status, right, which is generally the way to approach

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Speaker 3: this right with a with an agnostic approach to citizenship. Correct,

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Speaker 3: you don't certainly want to be holding a if you're

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Speaker 3: undocumented come to this thing at this time and will

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Speaker 3: give you a know your Right session like that. That

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Speaker 3: is not a smart way to approach this. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: like immigration agnostic know your rights trainings, they're kind of

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Speaker 3: foundational to to like constitutional rights that they're pretty much

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Speaker 3: front and center.

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Speaker 4: Of things you're allowed. Do you know what else is

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Speaker 4: front center advertisements? That's right, it's in their article twenty two.

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Speaker 3: It's like they they can't put the soldiers in your

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Speaker 3: bedroom unless that's once hit by.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look depending on the soldier.

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Speaker 5: All Right, we are back, Mia. It's a time for

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Speaker 5: tariff talk. Yeah, time of tariff Talk.

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Speaker 2: Tariff Talk. Dan Will inserts a little little musical jingle

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Speaker 2: here for tariff Talk.

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Speaker 3: Daniel.

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Speaker 5: I'll not but an editor on this podcast for years, but.

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Speaker 2: Sure, tariff Talk, Tariff Talk talking about terriff.

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Speaker 5: Tariff talk with me a walk.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 3: I thought Garrison said turf talk in a Canadian way.

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Speaker 2: It was like very different podcast, much more cursing.

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Speaker 5: Why not Mia, Mia, tariff Talk. Okay, Okay, I got

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Speaker 5: a through line, which is that Trump is announcing that

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Speaker 5: he's going to maybe sign an executive order to put

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Speaker 5: into effect more terriffs. One of those is pharmaceuticals, which

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Speaker 5: would actually would actually like possibly impact shashy your healthcare.

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Speaker 5: So there's my tie in. Okay, But those the main

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Speaker 5: things is auto imports like computer chips and pharmaceuticals are

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Speaker 5: supposed to get we think in April like a twenty

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Speaker 5: five percent terri if. It's again unclear whether these will

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Speaker 5: go into effecting break but I think it's worth noting

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Speaker 5: this because and this is something I haven't seen anyone

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Speaker 5: put together for reasons that are absolutely baffling to me.

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Speaker 5: But I actually think that a big part of the

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Speaker 5: pharmaceutical like tariff threat here is specifically to threaten Denmark

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Speaker 5: into selling Greenland because one of Denmark's largest companies is

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Speaker 5: nov and Nordius, who would get absolutely colossally fucked by this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: And so we sort of have to look at all

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Speaker 5: of these in the context of, like what kinds of

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Speaker 5: negotiations are going on. That chips one is pretty obviously

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Speaker 5: like a China Taie one one, although the cars, the

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Speaker 5: auto import one, I think is specific pretty specifically it's

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Speaker 5: it's all auto imports. I think it's pretty specifically targeted

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Speaker 5: at Mexico because there's a whole bunch of auto like

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Speaker 5: like full car imports from Mexico. But yeah, twenty five

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Speaker 5: percent tariffs. Will see exactly what happens with this round

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Speaker 5: of negotiations, but who knows they might go into effect.

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Speaker 5: This might also be part of the push to the

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Speaker 5: US to seize Greenland. This is also less of a

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Speaker 5: Trump thing, but I think it's worth noting the sort

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Speaker 5: of seriousness that both the kind of the people around

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Speaker 5: Trump and also like the media in Canada is taking

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Speaker 5: like a potential US attempt to just like sees Canada like,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, like they might really do that.

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Speaker 4: Oddly enough, this push from Trump might actually help catalyze

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Speaker 4: the anti conservative movement in Canada, which has kind of

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Speaker 4: been trending conservative the past ten years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Trump's actions have really upset the country, even

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Speaker 4: the conservative factions. Yeah, you're seeing support for the Liberals swell,

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Speaker 4: which has been like in like rapid decline for the

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Speaker 4: past five years. So it's actually causing a pretty big

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Speaker 4: shake up in Canadian politics right now, which I'm sure

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Speaker 4: I'll do an episode on in the future.

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Speaker 2: There's even I don't know if it'll it's going things

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Speaker 2: are going to change enough to have a big influence.

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Speaker 2: They probably won't on the next German election, but AfD

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Speaker 2: saw its first drop and support in a while after

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Speaker 2: JD Vance endorsed them. Still doesn't have any juice we

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Speaker 2: except send them to the UK.

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Speaker 5: We could kill reform now send it to the UK.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, God, how I would love to see that.

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Speaker 4: I wish to get back on the war on Woke front.

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Speaker 4: I like to talk about attempts to purge DEI gone wrong.

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Speaker 4: Specifically in OSHA, who has now trashed a workplace of

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Speaker 4: safety guidelines by banning and removing like eighteen workplace like

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Speaker 4: training and safety publications for a popular info Now. Some

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Speaker 4: of these documents have been removed for just containing the

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Speaker 4: word like gender wow, like in one case, about how

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Speaker 4: patients might need different treatments based.

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Speaker 5: On their gender or age.

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Speaker 4: This list of banned documents also include a document from

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Speaker 4: twosand and nine that instructs employers on how to quote

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Speaker 4: unquote protect their EMS responders from becoming additional victims while

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Speaker 4: on the front line of medical response unquote. The alleged

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Speaker 4: reason for removal is because the document contains a sentence

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Speaker 4: about how EMT workers work under quote unquote diverse conditions

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Speaker 4: and that EMT agencies have a quote diversity of state

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Speaker 4: specific certification, training, and regulatory requirements.

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Speaker 2: There was also a special education program dedicated to helping

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Speaker 2: young adult special ed kids transition into the workforce that

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Speaker 2: got cut, and the suspicion is because it was a

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Speaker 2: child program that included the word transition.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to know for a while the precise reason,

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Speaker 2: but all of this lines up pretty well well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it would also be removing programs

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Speaker 4: with the word disability.

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Speaker 2: Frankly like yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean, and they're

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Speaker 2: doing that elsewhere too.

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Speaker 4: I just yeah, And this is affecting a huge number

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Speaker 4: of agencies, right, We could do we probably will do

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Speaker 4: whole episodes on this. I've been collecting a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of resources in a document called the War on Woke,

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Speaker 4: which eventually I will turn into an episode. This is

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Speaker 4: manifested in otherwise as well. There's now disclaimers on the

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Speaker 4: target HIV and the CDC website, which now reads the

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Speaker 4: CDC's website. It's being modified to comply with President Trump's

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Speaker 4: executive orders, and specifically, on pages related to sexual health,

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Speaker 4: there is a big like a top banner reading quote.

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Speaker 4: Per court order, HHS is required to restore this website.

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Speaker 4: As of eleven fifty nine pm February fourteen, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: any information on this page promoting gender ideology is extremely

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Speaker 4: inaccurate and disconnected from the immutable biological reality that there

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Speaker 4: are two sexes, male and female. The Trump administration rejects

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Speaker 4: gender ideology and condemns the harms it causes to children

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Speaker 4: by promoting their chemical and surgical mutilation and to women

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Speaker 4: by depriving them of their dignity, safety, well being, and opportunities.

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Speaker 4: This page does not reflect biological reality, and therefore the

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Speaker 4: administration and this department rejects it out. So even though

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Speaker 4: they've been ordered to have these web pages, it's still online.

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Speaker 4: They are basically defacing the web pages with these with

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Speaker 4: these notes from the Trump team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. That also, by the way, and the extent to

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Speaker 5: which this matters is basically zero because they don't give

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Speaker 5: a shit with the court say, but like, that's also

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Speaker 5: a violation of the court order. Pretty much. They did

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Speaker 5: not put up the website as it was at the

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Speaker 5: time were specified for. They have put new bullshit into it.

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Speaker 4: Like, but speaking of violating court orders, the Trump administration

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Speaker 4: told a judge in a Tuesday court filing that it

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Speaker 4: will not comply with the TRORO directing USAIDED and the

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Speaker 4: State Department to resume foreign aid funding, stating that quote

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Speaker 4: USAYED intends to terminate instruments that the administrator determines are

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Speaker 4: inconsistent with the national interests or usaide's mission. And it

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Speaker 4: tries to argue that this is like in line with

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Speaker 4: usaide's you know, lawful ability to operate. So they are

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Speaker 4: just like blatantly, blatantly defying a judge's order, as we've

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Speaker 4: talked about how they seem to be wanting to and

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Speaker 4: continuing to do for the past like four weeks. More

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Speaker 4: on that in the weeks to come, as this situation

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Speaker 4: you know, escalates through different appeals courts and you know,

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Speaker 4: will eventually probably reach some kind of final showdown with

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. Now, longtime Social Security official Michelle King

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Speaker 4: has quit the agency amid fights to prevent DOAGE from

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Speaker 4: accessing sensitive information. The Washington Post quoted Martin O'Malley, the

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Speaker 4: Social Security Commission under the Biden administration and a former

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Speaker 4: Maryland governor, as saying, quote, at this rate, they will

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Speaker 4: break it, and they will break it fast, and there

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Speaker 4: will be an interruption of benefits.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

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Speaker 4: Social Security is just one of the agencies that dog

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Speaker 4: is either gutting or has already gutted, and it's leading

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Speaker 4: to kind of a mass resignation not only of like

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Speaker 4: you know, probationary employees and like deferred resignation like letter employees,

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Speaker 4: right everyone who's receiving that fork in the road email,

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Speaker 4: but also just like top ranking like officials who've been

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Speaker 4: doing this their whole lives, who are quitting because now

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Speaker 4: it's impossible for them to like do their job with

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Speaker 4: Musk's doge basically running all of these departments and determining

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Speaker 4: who can be hired who should be fired. In late January,

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Speaker 4: David Leibrick, the highest ranking civil servant at the Treasury Department,

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Speaker 4: was put on leave and then quit his job after

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Speaker 4: trying to stop dog from accessing data at the Bureau

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Speaker 4: of Fiscal Service. The head of the FDA's Food Division,

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Speaker 4: Jim Jones, resigned last Monday, citing dough as inhibiting his

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Speaker 4: ability to run the department. And at least four deadly

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Speaker 4: plane crashes have happened this past month, actually five now

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Speaker 4: considering well one this morning. And then there's also that

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Speaker 4: whole upside down Delta flight from Minneapolis to Toronto. And

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Speaker 4: this is all happening amidst the Trump admins mass firing

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Speaker 4: of several hundred probationary employees at the FAA, an already

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Speaker 4: understaffed agency. And this past Monday, a team from SpaceX

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Speaker 4: arrived at the Air Traffic Control headquarters in Virginia to

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Speaker 4: begin the process of overhauling the control system.

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Speaker 2: Great cool.

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Speaker 3: Luckily SpaceX has had no notable incidents and so I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that will be fine.

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Speaker 2: No, they didn't just hide a racket going off.

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Speaker 5: There's there's good news. There is there is good news

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Speaker 5: on this front, which is that President Trump is very

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Speaker 5: very mad that his new Boeing like plane is like

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Speaker 5: his personal plane. For like, I think it's I think

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Speaker 5: it's like another air Force one or something isn't.

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Speaker 3: Coming fast enough.

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Speaker 5: So's he's now encouraging them to like do a rush

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Speaker 5: job on it and like let people in doing the

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Speaker 5: right security clearances. So so this whole thing critical support

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Speaker 5: to Boeing. Critical Boeing, you motherfuckers, you have one job, mister,

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Speaker 5: produced an airplane at your normal quality and standards.

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Speaker 4: Similar to that on February thirteenth, that an air Force

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Speaker 4: plane carrying Secretary of State Mark Rubio was forced to

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Speaker 4: turn around en route from Washington to Munich after the aircraft,

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Speaker 4: a converted Boeing seven fifty seven, experienced a mechanical issue

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Speaker 4: ninety minutes into the flight, so they were forced to

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Speaker 4: turn around. So again, critical support to Boeing. I only

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Speaker 4: wish them the best in securing more and more government contracts.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, I think we uh uh I actually

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Speaker 2: we would probably call it as an episode before I

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Speaker 2: make any more jokes about air travel.

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Speaker 4: Which is increasingly scary. I flew so much last year,

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Speaker 4: and I am less willing to now.

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Speaker 2: I do not want to. Now that said, it is

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Speaker 2: worth noting. I think there's two things that are worth noting.

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Speaker 2: One is most of what people are pointing out as

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Speaker 2: like scary crashes are crashes that the same number happened

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Speaker 2: to this point last year. When it comes to like

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Speaker 2: small aircraft, yeah, those are much more dangerous than cars

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Speaker 2: like tiny personal aircraft, which is why I always enjoy

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Speaker 2: at cees when they try to sell cars less regulated

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Speaker 2: flying cars.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I also think from a political standpoint, no, we

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Speaker 2: should actually absolutely every single plane crash, even if it's

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Speaker 2: a tiny plane crashing and not tied to the greater

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Speaker 2: shit with the FAA, all of them should go on

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Speaker 2: Trump's head. It's not about what's true, it's about what

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Speaker 2: you can use to make political hay. And this is

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Speaker 2: something that you can hurt Republicans with. Every time someone

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Speaker 2: eyes in a plane crash, lay it at their feet, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: what do you get from being honest.

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Speaker 4: And it has been one of the more deadly monks

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Speaker 4: in aviation. H Yeah, specifically for like American soil.

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Speaker 2: They're definitely going to get people killed. But like the

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Speaker 2: way that you do that is not wait until okay,

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Speaker 2: this is finally the one that it's fair to attack.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you make it.

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Speaker 2: You make every time this gets in the news, you

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Speaker 2: make it on their head.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's certainly not helping, right that, Like the

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Speaker 3: FAA was already understuffed, Like as as you said, people

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Speaker 3: were already dying in plane crashes. Taking stuff away from

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Speaker 3: the FAA is not helping, Like we can't isolate that

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Speaker 3: from every crash that happens.

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Speaker 4: And like it's it's not just that, it's also like

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Speaker 4: the continued they continued hiring freeze. Largely air traffic control

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Speaker 4: operators have not been affected by the firings. Other support

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Speaker 4: staff have, which are still just as crucial. But it's

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Speaker 4: also preventing them from hiring more air traffic controllers, which

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Speaker 4: they need to because it's so understaff, which actually does

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Speaker 4: lead to an increase of these like small plane collisions.

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Speaker 4: And this is this is like a similar pattern across

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Speaker 4: all departments. Though, the USDA announced on Tuesday that over

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Speaker 4: the weekend they accidentally fired several agency employees who are

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Speaker 4: working on the bird flu response as a result of

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Speaker 4: the Trump Doge mass firings and now and now USDA

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Speaker 4: is trying to rehire them.

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Speaker 5: Have we explained the provisional employee firing thing that they're

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Speaker 5: doing for all.

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Speaker 3: Of these on here yet you should explain what a

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Speaker 3: probational employee is.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's employees that I've been hired for less

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Speaker 4: than a year and have different protections than other career employees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And part of Doge's campaign to do like massive massive

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Speaker 4: layoffs across all government sectors is by targeting first of

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Speaker 4: all probationary employees because they're easiest to fire, and then

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Speaker 4: move on to career employees. And like this this is

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Speaker 4: just like the first batch of mass layoffs because they're

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Speaker 4: the easiest to do. They don't have like union negotiations,

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Speaker 4: they can't appeal the firing. So this is like the

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Speaker 4: first step in a larger series of events that will

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Speaker 4: lead to, you know, a severely reduced government workforce. And

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Speaker 4: like this situation with the USDA is a very similar

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Speaker 4: situation with the Nuclear Strategy employees who the government is

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Speaker 4: struggling to rehire because they lost contact information with them

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Speaker 4: after firing them.

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Speaker 5: They fired the Duke Police.

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Speaker 2: They fired the guys whose job is to transport and

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Speaker 2: make sure no one steals nuclear weapons. I cannot have

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Speaker 2: the one kind of cop we can all agree we

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Speaker 2: need as long as we keep having those things.

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Speaker 5: This is one of these things where it's like like

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Speaker 5: I've been saying, not even really as a joke, that

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Speaker 5: millions of people are going to die from this, but

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Speaker 5: like yeah, like if these people are not stopped, oh,

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Speaker 5: you will have a broken arrow. We are like two

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Speaker 5: months into this. This is the second time they have

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Speaker 5: tried to fire the nuke Police, and they actually succeeded

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Speaker 5: this time. Right, Like millions of people are going to die,

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Speaker 5: and they lost their phone number. They can't even call

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Speaker 5: them back, Like they don't don't the numbers of the security,

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Speaker 5: Like these people must be stopped from doing this or

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Speaker 5: or we are going to see a cataclysm that is

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Speaker 5: going to make the fucking pandemic look like a fucking joke.

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Speaker 5: Like we're all going to look fondly back on like

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Speaker 5: the year we spent in lockdown and a million who

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Speaker 5: died as like the fucking like smoking remains of seven

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Speaker 5: American cities.

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Speaker 2: I have an episode on this that I'll put out

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Speaker 2: at some point. But you're getting to a thing that

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Speaker 2: I've been worried about for a while, Mia, which is,

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Speaker 2: we are every day getting closer and closer to a

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Speaker 2: nuclear January sixth. And what I mean by that is

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Speaker 2: an incident in which a nuclear weapon gets it either

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Speaker 2: gets utilized or gets out of the control of its

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Speaker 2: proper handlers in a way that is dumb. In the

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Speaker 2: same way January sixth to us. So I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about you have like an actual military conflict between Russia

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Speaker 2: and the United States. I'm talking about something really fucking stupid,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm talking about something incomprehensibly silly. And yeah, millions

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Speaker 2: of people will at least potentially die.

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Speaker 4: Well, what another uplifted episode of it could happen here?

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Speaker 5: Happen here? Stop them now, they're week right now, before

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Speaker 5: they do this, they could only get stronger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, until someone else gets a nuke, then general

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Speaker 3: bets are off.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, if you are someone who has been

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Speaker 2: fired from the federal government, we're transporting a nuke. I

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Speaker 2: have a large backyard and cool Zone would would love

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Speaker 2: to become a nuclear power.

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Speaker 4: Also unrelated, we have a tip email James want to

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Speaker 4: talk about.

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Speaker 3: For legal reasons, this is a joke. We do not

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Speaker 3: want any nukes. It is cool Zone Tips at proton

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