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Speaker 1: Garrison Garrison. Hello, I Garrison, are you doing I'm doing

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Speaker 1: fine great. We also have my friends be in a

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Speaker 1: are more than your career. More than your career and

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Speaker 1: in your skill set need not be purely extracted, as

435
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, not just like Okay, I have to go

436
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: do the thing in order to make money and then

437
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Speaker 1: everything else's consumption. Like you can you can transition, like

438
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Speaker 1: we're but and this is not a societal level solution

439
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: because we talk a lot about like, well, yeah, you're

440
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Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna make small personal changes to

441
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Speaker 1: fix climate change, but changing your own particular attitude on

442
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: how you approach the world from one that is I

443
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: I produce and that I consume to to when we're

444
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Speaker 1: you're thinking more about resiliency and what do I know

445
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: how to do and what can I learn how to do?

446
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: UM is helpful in a variety of ways on the

447
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: note of you know, the transferability of skills and recognizing

448
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Speaker 1: that you already do things on a day to day

449
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: basis that requires specialized knowledge and require skill sets. UM.

450
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: One of the things that I try and trot out

451
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: at every possible opportunity. I worked with somebody in one

452
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: of those volunteer bike shop spaces down New Orleans years ago, UM,

453
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: and the whole purpose of that particular space was to

454
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Speaker 1: make the skill set of bike repair more accessible to

455
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Speaker 1: a population that relied on likes to get places. And

456
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Speaker 1: one of the folks I worked there with was like

457
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Speaker 1: a very fami lady and was great because we would

458
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Speaker 1: have young girls come into the shop and be like,

459
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Speaker 1: my bike doesn't work. Somebody fixed my bike. My bike

460
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Speaker 1: doesn't work. I don't know how to fix a bike.

461
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Speaker 1: And she was the one who would just be like,

462
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Speaker 1: your tires flat and they're like, yeah, I don't know

463
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Speaker 1: how to fix it. Can you fix it? And she'd

464
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Speaker 1: be like, well, you're wearing press on nails, right, And

465
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Speaker 1: I'd be like yeah, I'm like cool, how do you

466
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Speaker 1: put on your press on nails, and they'd walked through

467
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Speaker 1: the steps of like, well, you stand your nails, and

468
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Speaker 1: then you put the glue on your nails, and then

469
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Speaker 1: you hold the press on nails on your fingernails for

470
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Speaker 1: a little while and let them set, and then you're

471
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Speaker 1: good to go. And it's like, great, you've just described

472
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: exactly how you patch a bike inner two. So now

473
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: we just need to get the bike inner two out,

474
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: and here's the part that corresponds to your nail, and

475
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: here's the part of the corresponse, like here's the glue

476
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: and here's the you know, it's the same process. We

477
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: just have to get the bike inner two out and

478
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Speaker 1: then back in again. But you already know how to

479
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Speaker 1: do the part where you make the bike to work again,

480
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: and that does hit on another important like you know,

481
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: apocalypse or whatever survival point where again all of our

482
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Speaker 1: like fiction and movies focuses on like knowing how to

483
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Speaker 1: use a gun or like being a woodsman. One of

484
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Speaker 1: the most useful skills, maybe the most useful skill you

485
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Speaker 1: can have in any disaster situation, is being able to

486
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Speaker 1: teach people, like like knowing how to understand figure out

487
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: what people know and how to get them the additional

488
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: information they need in order to be more resilient and competent,

489
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Speaker 1: because you're always better in a community of people who

490
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Speaker 1: know to handle their ship than alone. And it builds

491
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Speaker 1: on itself too. You know, we both come from different backgrounds,

492
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Speaker 1: but as we've been together and with the different trainings

493
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Speaker 1: that we've had in just light, the projects that we

494
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: take on have become more and more complex. So you know,

495
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: where I used to like to practice gardening and stuff

496
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: and doing a little bit of woodworking and things, and

497
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: now you know, we're doing various construction projects that we're

498
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of self taught, and we have some various home

499
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: depot books on how to do them. But it's it

500
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel nearly as intimidating because we've done steps to

501
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Speaker 1: go to it, and because it's not an all or nothing,

502
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Speaker 1: you don't have to suddenly be like I'm going to

503
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: d I why my entire life. Like I definitely get

504
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: that way sometimes where I'm like, I want to one

505
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: day have everything in my house be made by someone

506
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: that I know or myself. And it's really lovely to

507
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: know crafts people or to you know, make do sit

508
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: down at a pottery wheel and make your own bowls

509
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But a lot of it is about practicing

510
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Speaker 1: stuff when it's not an emergency so that when you

511
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Speaker 1: later on have need or you have the ability, you

512
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Speaker 1: have the time, like you can do a bunch of

513
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: different things. So you know, we refloored. The room that

514
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: we're in right now a process, but we didn't get

515
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: there from nothing, And we've both done lots of different

516
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: construction and measuring and other things in little bits just

517
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: for fun, for work for other stuff beforehand, And a

518
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: lot of these projects are things that are fun to

519
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: do as a one off as a project. I've done,

520
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: you know, embroidery with my kids just for fun, not

521
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: because they need to suddenly embroider all of their clothing

522
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: or they have to sew everything, but it's because it's

523
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: a fun thing to do on a rainy day. Or

524
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, try fixing a book, not because there's no

525
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: ability to go on Amazon and order another book. But hey, look,

526
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: I just we didn't add one thing to the landfill

527
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: ways and we don't have to fix all of the

528
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: stuff we have. It's a one time craft. But then

529
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: later on when stuff's falling apart or when we have

530
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Speaker 1: supply chain issues, or when stuff's not there, it's handy

531
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Speaker 1: to know, like, oh, you know what, Like we're having

532
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: water rationing right now, because during the one of the

533
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: droughts I grew up in California, we had water rationing

534
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: and it was my mom hauled out of the basement

535
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: my grandmother's old ringer machine and we were doing the

536
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: laundry and that because it could conserved a hell of

537
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot of water and you could use the same

538
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: water for load after load. It's good to just have

539
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: those things just kind of on hand that you've tried,

540
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: because when an emergency hits, you don't want to be

541
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Speaker 1: trying to search the internet are looking for something because

542
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: you've never done it before and now it's necessary. And

543
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: it's it's again to the point of like how the

544
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: how collapse really looks versus how it's often pictured. You're

545
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 1: not trying to replicate when you're when you're doing your

546
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: own laundry that way, you're not trying to replace civilization.

547
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: You're patching a hole, like and and that's a lot

548
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: of building resiliency is knowing that you have. It's like

549
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: it's being able to fix a bike tire, it's patching

550
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: a hole and I do want to acknowledge that like

551
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: this is a little bit more outside of the dead

552
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: center of mainstream in you know, the United States and

553
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: some other like wealthy industrialized countries, and it's not like

554
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: it has never stopped being the way most people in

555
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: the world. Kind of one story to tell from these people.

556
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: I was billeted with an Iraq. These these guys were

557
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: like pulling people out of air strike craters every day,

558
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: and we wanted to watch TV one nine. We were

559
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: in like a bombed out mosque that isis had been

560
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: using and they had a refrigerator that worked in a

561
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: TV that isis had cut the chords with. And this

562
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: guy just started pulling chords out of the fridge in

563
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: about five minutes, had the TV working, had like hooked it,

564
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: lashed everything together. It was like he wasn't a TV

565
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: repairment or refridge. He just knew how electricity and ship

566
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: worked and was able to figure out like, Okay, I

567
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: can just put all this ship together. We're good to go.

568
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: And and just also to loop background to the whole,

569
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: like survival mentality a little bit. One of the things

570
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: that like people that we've worked with, people who like

571
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: have been in emergency situations that require you know, complex

572
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: skill sets and things of One of the big things

573
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Speaker 1: is to have a role that you are competent in

574
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Speaker 1: that you are ready to fulfill, so you don't have

575
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: to figure out your first step. You can get moving.

576
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: You can figure out your first step. So, for example,

577
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: in the you know, the supply chain issues that hit

578
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: at the start of COVID and are recurring. Um the

579
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: idea of like oh there's no way to like there's

580
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Speaker 1: no laundry stap. Say okay, well we've got borax and

581
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: these others and some making soda borax, right, we can

582
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: we can make our own laundry detergent in a pinch

583
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: and it'll work well enough. Cool. Don't have to have

584
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: that be the thing that stresses us out and like

585
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: adds to our like paralysis. Yeah, and get A huge

586
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: part of is even how you approach to the problem.

587
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: It's not freaking out like oh my god, there's no

588
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: laundry soap. Hell am I going to clean the clothes.

589
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: It's being like, oh, there's no laundry soap, I'm gonna

590
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: go online because we still have that and try to

591
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: figure out either other things that can make laundry soap

592
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: that there are and like it's it's accepting. Like you

593
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: talk about like wanting to be competent in a role,

594
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to know what that is from the start,

595
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: as long as like the starting point isn't I'm going

596
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: to be the medic I'm going to be this, I'm

597
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna be the food or it's like no, I'm going

598
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: to start learning how to do things I don't know

599
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: how to do, and over a period of time, if

600
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: I am dedicated that I will figure out the thing

601
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: that I want to get most competent at. Yeah, because

602
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean none of none of what we've been talking

603
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: about in terms of the various crafts and projects that

604
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: we've undertaken are things that are like our primary function

605
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: in the world. It's just like, well, at some point

606
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like it was worth doing, and so we

607
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: did some of it, and then we kept doing it

608
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: now and there's always pretty good at literally if anything

609
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: we've talked about, there's the you're, I don't know, bougie

610
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: hipster version of like doing it expensively. Even with like woodworking,

611
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: there could be a dirt cheap I built a table

612
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: for almost nothing when I was younger, because it was like, well,

613
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I found this would that the city chopped down, and

614
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: I bought sand paper and stain for fifteen dollars and

615
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: then I got like a fucking base for my Ikea

616
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and I had a functional table and I figured it

617
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: out using YouTube. And it's you know, not as good

618
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: a table as I could have made if I had

619
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: ten or thousands of dollars in woodworking tools, but I

620
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: had a table for years because of it um And

621
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: it's it's accepting the because I think people do get

622
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: freaked out. There's such an emphasis on like having the gear,

623
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: getting the equipment, stockpiling things, and like, really stockpiling competency

624
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: is better because yeah, and I think the Amazon wish

625
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: list ability to just be like, oh I want this

626
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: specific thing, I can in three seconds look it up

627
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: online and find the exact thing that I want definitely

628
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: pushes in the opposite direction and makes people, well, a

629
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: little less resilient in that capacity because there's less of

630
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: that idea that you can just have stuff. And I

631
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: would just say, if people want to get started with it,

632
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: it's really pick something low stakes, pick something simple, because

633
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: you build the abilities, you build the ability to learn

634
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: and um I had to explained to me once that

635
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: it's like a hangar. Every skill you get X as

636
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: a hangar, and having really basic simple things is actually

637
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: super necessary because even even the like hardcore primitive skills.

638
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I have some amazing books that I bought when I

639
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: was eighteen, and I remember I had them and I

640
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: looked through and I read it and I was like,

641
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: this is like reading magic. I understand absolutely none of it.

642
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: And after a few years of doing things, not even

643
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: necessarily traditional skills, but just things practicing stuff, picking stuff,

644
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: there was so much more framework that I had that

645
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I looked through it and suddenly there was stuff concepts

646
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: that I could hang all of these incredible skills on.

647
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: And we're like, oh, that never made sense to me.

648
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I understand it now because I've done simpler things and

649
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Speaker 1: starting with thing that doesn't seem like overwhelming to learn

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Speaker 1: something simple and something something low stakes, something that if

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Speaker 1: you utterly mess it up, if you have ah, what

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Speaker 1: are the like like the regrets the like craft epiccraft

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Speaker 1: fails that it's okay, it's not a big deal because

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Speaker 1: failing is part of learning, and so pick things that

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Speaker 1: it's okay to fail at as your as your projects

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Speaker 1: and and don't as many of us did in the

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Speaker 1: late nineties and early two thousand's when we didn't have

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Speaker 1: health insurance of any description, you know, experiment on ourselves

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Speaker 1: and our friends with herbs because we didn't have healthcare,

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Speaker 1: access to doctors. Avoid doing that is not low stakes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm about to go do and surgery on my

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Speaker 1: own infected wound now that you've told me this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited. Excited I got I got an exact deal.

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Speaker 1: I got some vodka. At least we're good to go. No,

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Speaker 1: the key is really hot glue same as surgical stitches.

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Speaker 1: I have similar not hot, because then it sterilizes the

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Speaker 1: wound doesn't stick to anything. This is how I know

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Speaker 1: you are not a crafter. Is hot glue does not anything.

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Speaker 1: You just you squirt it in there, You get it

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Speaker 1: in there real good, and then you cover it with

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Speaker 1: with superglue. I do have a grand that has plug

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Speaker 1: in the world. I would put superglue in first. I

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Speaker 1: do have a grandpa that has used superglue so many

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Speaker 1: times to glue his body back together. It's actually what

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Speaker 1: it was made for. Ye, that's very funny. It's effective

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Speaker 1: at that anyway, here's armatical advice. Yeah, don't do any

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Speaker 1: of the things that were just said. But if you

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Speaker 1: do want to learn how to do suits, you you

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Speaker 1: can find guides where people do it on chicken and

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Speaker 1: which is how if you're an e m T you

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Speaker 1: learn how to do it. And it's that's a that

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Speaker 1: is a skill you can build for very little money.

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Speaker 1: That's useful and you don't have to start on your

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Speaker 1: friends bodies. And I will put in a plug for like,

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Speaker 1: wilderness first aid courses are not cheap and there are

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Speaker 1: some real good ones out there, and as a as

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Speaker 1: like a baseline that is a real handy and helps

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Speaker 1: you think about things creatively because wilderness first aid unlike

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Speaker 1: an ambulance driver. An ambulance driver is driving in a

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Speaker 1: box with all the tools they need, and wilderness first

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Speaker 1: aid the assumption is don't have a box. You don't

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Speaker 1: have and so you have to work it out probably

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, some plantain or something or some the

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Speaker 1: right fucking kind of SAP. There's like ship you can

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Speaker 1: use and which we will not proceed to attempt to

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Speaker 1: lift off here and provide medical advice. Don't go to

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Speaker 1: a doctor, no use pine needles, make your own needle

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Speaker 1: t don't cure your COVID. Find a bee hive and

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Speaker 1: start sucking. Any other sources are any other sources making

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Speaker 1: stuff and doing things from way back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Definitely recommend that one UM country know how like there's

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Speaker 1: some a lot of old craft books actually, UM the

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Speaker 1: entire back collection of the Mother Earth magazine skills stuff

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Speaker 1: like I have definitely made any studying magazine, not Emma

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Speaker 1: Goldman's Anarchists newspaper, but I've definitely made solar powered dehydrators

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Speaker 1: out of cardboard boxes and saran rap from the from

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Speaker 1: Mother Earth magazine stuff And it's absolutely fantastic. The just

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Speaker 1: old school guide books UM, and but also anything that's

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Speaker 1: listened as like d I Y guides that have stuff

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Speaker 1: that you would like to make and like to do

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Speaker 1: are great. The library is great. Use the library. Research

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Speaker 1: librarians at the library are great. And if you're like,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn how to do this thing, can

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Speaker 1: you help me find books on it? Research librarians at

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Speaker 1: the library they have doctorates in how to help you

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Speaker 1: do that, and that's they just sit at desks all

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Speaker 1: day waiting for me and that's that. And what you'll

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Speaker 1: learn from them about how to answer those questions for

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Speaker 1: yourself is also useful in their long run. Well, go

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Speaker 1: out and make a reflux. Still is that legal? Well no,

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Speaker 1: not in most places, but it's easy. You just need

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Speaker 1: a box inside of a box, and you pour old

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Speaker 1: beer in the center box and that's like saran wrap.

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Speaker 1: On topic,