1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey fam Today on the bright Side, Beverly 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Hill's nine oh two one oh star and podcast hosts 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Jenny Garth is here with us. She's talking about how 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: she's navigated a very public divorce and co parenting, plus 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: how a final line of dialogue from nine oh two 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: one oh still rings truer than ever. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: Today. 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: It's Monday, October seventh. 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boyce, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: bright Side from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: come together to share women's stories, to laugh, learn and 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: brighten your day. 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: On My Mind Monday is brought to you by missus 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Meyers Clean Day, inspired by the goodness of the garden. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: Simone, you know what day it is. Today is On 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: my Mind Monday, our chance to talk about the things 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: that we've read or seen over the weekend that give 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: us a fresh perspective. Can I come at you with mine? Please? Okay? 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: I read this great essay by Kelly Vaughan where she 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: talks about deciding if she's going to take her husband's 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: last name. So she asked friends for their thoughts, but 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: she still wasn't sure what felt right for her. She 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: ends up taking his legal last name, but kept her 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: maiden name professionally. Okay, So then she gets her new 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: Social Security card, and she said when she looked at it, 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: she was shocked and it made her realize her maiden 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: name meant more to her than she actually even thought. 28 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: So she changed it back, and once her name was restored, 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: she said she felt whole again. The reason I'm sharing 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: this today is this is something I've thought about a lot. 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Even when I go to bachelorette parties, I usually bring 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: this topic up. I ask all the girls there, all 33 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: the women, how they feel about taking their husband's last name, 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: and it's usually a point of debate because everybody feels 35 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: differently about it. How do you feel? 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's really funny that this is your on my 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: mind Monday, because I just came from a wedding and 38 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: this topic came up. And you're right, everyone has strong 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: feelings about it. Listen. I owe want to stay away 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: from speaking too broadly about like what women should do. However, 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: I personally have very strong feelings about this. I did 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: not change my name. My maiden name is Boyce. I'm 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: keeping it partly because I spent a very long time 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: building up my career, and my career happens to be public. 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: So people, if you've ever seen my work, it's you know, 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: you've seen it under the name Simone Boyce. And the 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: idea of changing my last name felt like to some 48 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: degree I would be undermining my professional achievements. And I 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: also think that I saw this modeled by my mom 50 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: because my mom was an actor in the eighties and 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: her maiden name was John's and she kept her maiden 52 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: name in her work. So I kind of had that 53 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: example for me when I was growing up. But my 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: biggest problem with this is the history of it. The 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: history of name change is rooted in the idea that women, 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: at one point in time legally became the possession of 57 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: a man. And I mean this goes back to the 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: exchange of land and feudal territories and houses coming together 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: and forming alliances, and in that context, women were completely dehumanized. 60 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: They were property. And so have times changed. Yes, we 61 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: are in a modern time where we do have the 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: right to vote, where we do have credit cards, and 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I think we are recognized for our humanity more so 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: than women were back then. However, I think it's really 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: important to question the origins of these traditions, because, on 66 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the other hand, even in a modern context, all of 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: the burden, all of the invisible labor of changing your name, 68 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: it falls on the women. It falls on us to 69 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: spend hours at the DMB filling out paperwork, communicating with 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: the government who's notoriously impossible to communicate with, and husbands 71 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: don't have to do any of this. So tell me, 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, is that really fair. 73 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: I think what's hard, though, is there's not a great 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: solution or other option, because I do like the idea 75 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 2: of feeling like a family unit, and you know, when 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: you get married, if you decide to do that and 77 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: you have children, then it is nice to all feel 78 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: like you have the same name. I think your kids 79 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: like when you go to the airport, they feel like 80 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: a family unit. Not that that's necessary, but it's something 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: I think about. The problem is there's no real solution, 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: like do you hyphenate even if you keep your name, 83 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: which name do the kids take? I just feel like 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: we're in a time where we're questioning all of this 85 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: and there's no clear solution, which is why I think 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: everybody keeps debating it. 87 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: I actually think though, that millennials have gotten really creative 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: with this. I have a friend who combined her last 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: name with their husbands and they both took the new 90 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: last name. 91 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: I do like the idea of combining names. I actually 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: have a friend who lost her father at a young age, 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: and so she's the only child and so keeping the 94 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: family name alive was really important to her, and her 95 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: husband said, I'll take your last name. That's fine. I 96 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: think the meaning of the name is something that I 97 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: think about. You know, I've actually asked this question to 98 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: Connie Chung. I asked it to you and our producer 99 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: Tim Offline. I said, what does it mean to be 100 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: a blank? Whatever your last name is? Because when I 101 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: think about my last name, I'm like, what does that 102 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: mean to be? My real last name is Willerman? Robey's 103 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: my middle name, and I'm like, what does it mean 104 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 2: to be a Willerman? And the first thing I thought 105 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: was it means to be a free thinker. And I 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: think everybody has some association to that name, whether it's 107 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: associated with their parents, their grandparents, their the hardship, the 108 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: joy of their family. And it's more than a name. 109 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: It's memories, it's family values. This one's complicated for me. Yeah, 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: you know what the good thing is in twenty twenty 111 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: four is women have a choice, and that's what feminism 112 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: is all about. It's about choice. So which whatever feels 113 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: right for you is the right choice. But speaking of identity, 114 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: we have somebody who thought about their identity a lot 115 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: as they moved through marriage and divorce. Jenny Garth is 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: here with us today. 117 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: Yes, you might remember her as Kelly Taylor from Beverly 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Hills nine oh two one oh, the role that sky 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: rocketed her into fame. Jenny appeared on all ten seasons 120 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: of the show, which ran from nineteen ninety to two thousand. 121 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: It's hard to think about what TV would look like 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: today without the impact of nine oh two one oh. 123 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: When I tell you I used to fake sick for 124 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: school to stay home and watch nine oh two one oh, 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: I am not lying. I loved that show. That was 126 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: like I love Saved by the Bell, and then I 127 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: discovered nine oh two one oh, and I thought I 128 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: have seasons to catch up on same Well. 129 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, Jenny Garth added author to her resume 130 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: with her memoir titled Deep from a Hollywood Blonde, and 131 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: now she's the host of her podcast I Choose Me, 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: where she interviews celebrities, friends and family members, including a 133 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: very powerful conversation with her ex husband Peter Fatchinelli. 134 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: She also recently launched a clothing line called Me by 135 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: Jenny Garth, and she's entering a new decade her fifties, 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: so I can't wait to ask all about how she's 137 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: approaching this new chapter and the mantra that she lives by, 138 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: which is I Choose Me. Jenny Garth is joining us 139 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: right after the break Stay with us. 140 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Thanks to our partners at missus Myers. You can learn 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: a lot about a person by their dish soap. Missus 142 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: Meyers's collection of household products are inspired by the garden 143 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: and pack up punch against dirt and grime. Visit missus 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: Myers dot com. 145 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: Jennie Garth, Welcome to the bright Side. Oh that's sound 146 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: so nice. We're so happy to have you. Simone and 147 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: I have been talking about this interview for quite some time. 148 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: And this mantra that you have, I Choose Me. I 149 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: didn't realize that it actually came from a line in 150 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: nine O two one zero, but you've really given it 151 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: new life. What did it mean to you then versus now? 152 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: I know it's so crazy, right that it's all it's 153 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: from the nineties, like it's from the OG Show. Yeah, 154 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: it was that moment when Kelly had to choose between 155 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: Brandon and Dylan and she was put on the spot 156 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 3: and she said, I can't choose either of you. I 157 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: choose myself. I choose me. And I didn't really understand 158 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: like the levity of that statement when I was twenty two. 159 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: Probably I just I didn't really get it until years 160 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: later when I started hearing it from fans that I 161 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: would meet, especially women who grew up watching it, and 162 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: they would be like, oh my gosh, that line I 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: choose me such an effect on me. I never knew 164 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: I could choose myself in moments like that, and I 165 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: was like, wait, what, And it just started to make 166 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: sense on a different level for me, and I thought, 167 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: this message has to be brought back around. It has 168 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: to be amplified, because I was in a place where 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 3: I was like, what am I doing with my life? 170 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: I don't really enjoy like the whole rigamow of making 171 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: television or movies anymore. I don't like sitting around waiting, 172 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: I don't like auditioning, I don't like waiting to be 173 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: rejected or accepted. So yeah, here I am. I have 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: a podcast called I Choose Me. I have a clothing 175 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: brand called Me. I'm coming out with a perfume called Me, 176 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Like I'm going for it because I've always had so 177 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: much to share with people. I'm just not the right 178 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: way in and I'm just this is it, this is 179 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: the moment for I choose me in every way. 180 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: I'm so curious how you choose yourself on a daily basis, 181 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: because in theory it sounds great, but the reality is 182 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: life happens. Like I'm a young mom of like two 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: little boys, you know, who are four and two, and 184 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to choose me, just being completely honest. 185 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: And you know you have a very full life too, 186 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: You've got three beautiful kids. So how do you choose 187 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: yourself on a daily basis? 188 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: Like, what does that look like, Jenny? I mean there 189 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: were years where I was in the same position as you, 190 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 3: little kids underfoot, relying on me one hundred percent and 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: working full time and trying to keep a marriage alive 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: and trying to be a good sister and daughter, and 193 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: it was really hard. So to be truthful with you, 194 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: I now can go back and say, yeah, I was 195 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: in the same boat. I didn't choose myself when I 196 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: was a young mom because I didn't know I could 197 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: and I didn't know I needed to. And so now 198 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 3: as my daughters have all grown up a little bit 199 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: and they meet me a little bit less, I started 200 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: having a little extra time on my hands and thinking 201 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: about things and having like ten minutes in the bathroom 202 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 3: to myself, just taking those little opportunities. At first too, 203 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do the dishes right now, because 204 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: right now is an opportunity for me to sit down 205 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: in journal, or sit down and read a book, or 206 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: just sit down and stare out the window. The dishes 207 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: will be there when I'm done, you know. So it 208 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: was just like little minute things like that for a 209 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: long time. That then, as I got more and more 210 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: time and I was able to see the benefits of 211 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: that kind of self care and those choices, that I 212 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I need to work this more into 213 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: my daily schedule. So then I actually just start putting 214 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: it on my calendar, like and it's like it's an appointment. 215 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: I get up every morning at seven am and I 216 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: go to the gym and that's my hour to take 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: care of my body physically and also you know, mentally, 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: and your world starts to open up about how you 219 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: can take more and more. I choose me moments. And 220 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: I was told this when I was all my life. 221 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: You can't really truly love others until you love yourself. 222 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, oof, that's really lame. I you know, like, okay, 223 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: I'll love myself in about two hours when I'm done 224 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: with this. But I realize now that it's so true, 225 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: Like you have a different presence about you when you 226 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: are taken care of by yourself. It rubs off on 227 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: the people around you and the people that work with you, 228 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: and the people in your home. In essence, choosing yourself 229 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: is choosing the people that you love too. 230 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the people that you love, your daughter 231 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Lola interviewed you on your podcast about turning fifty and 232 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: your next chapter. Danielle and I interviewed a woman who 233 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: runs this community called Glorious Broad's, and we have this 234 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: wide ranging conversation about growing older, and she says that 235 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: she called the fifties the fit fifties, like where you 236 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: just have zero f's left to give. And I'm so 237 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: curious what your take on the fifties has been so far. 238 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: Definitely not fucket fifties, because I'm so intentionally choosing my health, 239 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: what I eat, and how I exercise. Like everything becomes 240 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: so much more important as you get older and you're 241 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: able to really prioritize your time and be selective about 242 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: what you want to spend your time on. And so 243 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: I feel more intentional and more just collected and grounded, 244 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: and like, I have a vision for what I want 245 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: for my future, and I have a vision for what 246 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 3: I want to provide my grown up children with now, 247 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: what I want to be able to give them, And 248 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: so that drives me and fuels me to really stay 249 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: connected to what I want and my plan. 250 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: I think that when people talk about aging, there's this 251 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 2: pressure that's like assigned to them because now, all of 252 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: a sudden, there's expectations or criticism if they don't go 253 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: all in on the concept of like aging completely natural. 254 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: So I'm dying to. 255 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: Hear what you think about this, Like do you feel 256 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: pressure to not dye your hair or to dye your hair? 257 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 2: Like how do you think about all of it? 258 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: I have been under scrutiny my entire life and my 259 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: livelihood has been predicated on how I look. Yeah, and 260 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: that has really fucked me up. You guys, like I 261 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: think anybody that can imagine themselves in my position as 262 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: a young girl being the hot one on the show, 263 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: or the pretty one of the blonde or the mill 264 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: for all the things as generate as you go through 265 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: the decades, like what it is that you represent to people, 266 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: what they remember from you, what they want to see 267 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: when they look at you, what they expect from you. 268 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: That has been an immense amount of pressure and something 269 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: I've never had the capacity to process and actually confront 270 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: and deal with until now. It was a different kind 271 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: of mental pressure that goes really really deep into someone's psyche. 272 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: And it's hard to ever really talk about it or 273 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: acknowledge it because it seems so superficial and seems so 274 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,479 Speaker 3: you know, there are much bigger problems. 275 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's hard for people to think like, oh, I'm 276 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: so sorry you were so hot exactly like, oh, you're 277 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: you're sad, sad life, right, yeah, but you're almost in 278 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: jail in your own brain. 279 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: It's how you process it all and think of it. 280 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: Because I'm my worst critic and I don't know if 281 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: other people feel this way or not. But like I 282 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: do read comments, I have to curb myself now. But 283 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: like I have read the comments and I do see 284 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: the hateful things that people say. Well, I don't know, 285 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: but like it does, Deke, it's old and you just 286 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: have to learn how to navigate it, which I have 287 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: done and I'm still doing. And also it's just I 288 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: think it goes back to that like loving yourself and 289 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: being able to go back and look at all that 290 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: you were dealt and then also to just look at 291 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: what all the things you have that you're grateful for, 292 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: and you just keep going when you work through it, 293 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: and it just it manifests in a different way and 294 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: you're able to like put it in a compartment and 295 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: move forward. 296 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: You recently started a clothing line me by Jenny Garth, 297 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: and looking at your website, I really like how inclusive 298 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: it feels. It's women of all ages sizes. You know, 299 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: people create new brands to fill a gap in an 300 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: existing space. What gap are you trying to fill with 301 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: your brand? 302 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: I'm trying to fill the gap that I'm in because 303 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: I don't feel comfortable in certain things, and my comfort 304 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: is a huge priority to me now than more than 305 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: it ever was. Like, I've been on uncomfortable clothes all 306 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: my life. I've worn heels all my life. I want 307 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: to feel beautiful and strong and independent in my clothes 308 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: and maybe don't want to show as much of my 309 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: body sometimes, or maybe I do. I don't know, but 310 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: I want to have the option, and I wanted to 311 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: create clothing that did just that, that gave women in 312 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: my bracket, either younger or older, that same feeling of like, 313 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: I know I can throw this on and feel good 314 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: in my skin and go out and kill the world. 315 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: Just spreading the message to women my age that you 316 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: don't have. 317 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: To dress Yes, older, fifty in twenty twenty four is 318 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: really different than fifty in two thousand. 319 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: Even, Hello Chicos Talbots, That's what I remember doing shopping 320 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: with my mom. 321 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 2: So funny. 322 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, remember the Golden Girls. They were in their fifties, 323 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: you guys, that's wild. 324 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: There's all those hilarious memes where they put like a 325 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: j Lo photo next to the Golden Girls and they're like, 326 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: this is fifty. 327 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: I don't know about that's yelo, but wow, that's a 328 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: pretty high level. Just live up to. 329 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: We all have a person that we go to our 330 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: ideas with. I have like three people that I really 331 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 2: trust to tell me the truth when you were creating 332 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: this line, who is that person for you? Like, who 333 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: did you share the vision of this brand with. 334 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: I had a very clear vision of what I wanted 335 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: to do and the aesthetic of it all. But I 336 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: did the very onset of going down this road of 337 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 3: doing a clothing brand. I brought my daughter in and 338 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 3: she's twenty one, Lola, and I thought this would be 339 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: such an amazing opportunity for her to learn the business. 340 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: And she's been a part of every aspect of it, 341 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 3: on the business side and on the creative side. And 342 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: she really does bring a beautiful, a younger perspective, and 343 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 3: we talk about let's merge the things that you love 344 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: and the things that I love, and let's see if 345 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: we can find a balance for our customers. And besides that, 346 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: I just love working with her every day. We have 347 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: a great relationship and this is just only making it better. 348 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious what her perspective on aging is because I 349 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: think a lot of how we view aging comes from 350 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: our parents. I can remember growing up, my mom had, 351 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: you know, an infinite amount of like serums and creams, 352 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: and I always thought that she was just skin goals, 353 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: Like having healthy skin became a goal for me because 354 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: of her. 355 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: I think that Lola would probably say, I mean, I 356 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: could pull her in here and make her answer you, 357 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: But I think that Lola would say that she's inspired 358 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: by me, and all my daughters are always looking to 359 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 3: meet their mom to show them the way and what 360 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: it can be like and what feels good and what doesn't. 361 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the world that they're growing up in today, 362 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: and it's so different from the environment that Danielle and 363 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: I came up in and the world that you came 364 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: up in, Jenny. And something that we've been saying around 365 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: the office as we prepared for this conversation is nine 366 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: h two one zero walked so Euphoria could run. Euphoria 367 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: is like this shock to the system, even for modern viewers. 368 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 3: But I'm curious, was it. 369 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my, I couldn't watch it. It 370 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: made me sad. 371 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was too much. 372 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: It's too much for me. 373 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So how are you you've clearly seen it, Like, 374 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: how are you processing just how far teen TV programming 375 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: has come. 376 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 3: I really can't even think about it. It's funny. Like 377 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: my daughter Luca, the first one, grew up watching Barney 378 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 3: until she was like in middle school, The Brady Bunch. 379 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: You know, it's very like, these are the things that 380 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: are not going to corrupt your little brain and your soul. 381 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: But now, like I say it to my youngest daughter Fiona, like, 382 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: please don't watch stuff that's disturbing. There's no point in 383 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: it for you. Nothing good is going to come from that. 384 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: To the younger generation, they're so used to it now 385 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: that it's so present everywhere they are, everywhere they look like. 386 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: It's such a different world. And it makes me feel 387 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 3: again one hundred years old, to think that it's changed 388 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: so radically. But it's wild how much the world changes 389 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: and how quickly it changes. And I never ever believe 390 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: that when I was younger, but now I see it 391 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: from a completely different point of view. 392 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: We have to take a quick break, but we'll be 393 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: right back with Jenny Garth. 394 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: Stay with us, and we're back with Jenny Garth. 395 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: Throughout your life, you faced some incredibly challenging transitions, navigating 396 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: child stardom, finding balance and co parenting after divorce, most recently, 397 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: coping with the profound loss of your friend Shannon Doherty, 398 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: and each of these experiences involves not just moving on, 399 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't know if I believe in that, 400 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: but fundamentally reshaping your life. How have these moments influenced 401 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: your understanding of resilience and what insights have you gained 402 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: about rebuilding your life after profound change or loss. 403 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of incredible moments in my life, 404 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 3: and I'm so rightful for the show and the trajectory 405 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: of how I'm still talking about it and people still 406 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: love it and I still love it and I'm not 407 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 3: embarrassed by it. So I feel like when bad things happen, 408 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: you just have to go back to how grateful you 409 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: are for your life. For me, I really believe in 410 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: feeling my feelings. I know, I know what happens when 411 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: you stuff your feelings and you compartmentalize and you don't 412 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 3: process things and you don't clean out the closet. So now, 413 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 3: at this point in my life, after going through so 414 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: many deaths and just big moments and moments of triumph 415 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: and moments of despair, being in a place in my 416 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: life where I didn't know what the future was, I 417 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: didn't know what I was going to do. There have 418 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: been so many times when I've been really lost. I 419 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: say that because I'm on the other side, and the 420 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: only way to get to the other side of something 421 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: is to go through it, not around it. Allow your 422 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: body to feel the pain, and then work to get 423 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 3: it out of your body. You have to dig in 424 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 3: sometimes and look within and really acknowledge the reality of 425 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: your life and what you're going through and what you're 426 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: dealing with, and in doing that it really does help 427 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: you to get through it quicker and more gracefully. 428 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: What was the one that you felt like you weren't 429 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: going to make it on the other side of. 430 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: Oh everyone, you guys, I am dramatic. I'm like sometimes 431 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: I laugh. I'm reading my old journals right now, and 432 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: I'm such a drama queen in my journals. You know, 433 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 3: you can really let it rip in there with your rage, 434 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: writing and all the emotional stuff. 435 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: And I every. 436 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: Single time I've been through an upsetting time in my life, 437 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: I am leveled. Like I am a highly emotional person. 438 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: I like to call it emotion full, and I'm proud 439 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: of that. But I'm also I'm deeply affected by the 440 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 3: things that happen not just to me, but to people 441 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: I love, and people I don't even know, and animals everywhere, 442 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 3: like I feel feelings like on a huge scale. So 443 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: I just think that you have to learn to live 444 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 3: with yourself and learn how you cope with things and 445 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: allow yourself to be devastated sometimes in life and you 446 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 3: can get through it and there is always something on 447 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: the other side that's waiting for you. 448 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: I don't have journals. I just have situations that live 449 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: rent free in my head, so I have like a 450 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: virtual journal up there. But I have so much respect 451 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: for you, Jenny. After listening to your two part episode 452 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: of your podcast with your ex husband people Fashionally, I 453 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: was just blown away by your honesty and your candor 454 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: and your openness. Like you did a really brilliant job 455 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: with that that is not easy to do. 456 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. That means a lot to me. I had 457 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: a lot of work to do after that divorce, and 458 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 3: a lot of recovering to do, and a lot of 459 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: loving myself. I would not have I would not be 460 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: where I am today if it hadn't been for that happening. 461 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 3: And you know, I share this before Peter knows this. 462 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: He said to me once jin someday this is right 463 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: when he was telling me, someday, you're gonna thank me 464 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: for this, and I was like, are you in kidding me? 465 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 3: I'm never going to thank you for this. You just 466 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: ruined my life, You ruin our family's lives, like what. 467 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: And I stayed in that place for a really long time, 468 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: that place of just pain and anger and resentment. And 469 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: I tried and tried and tried and tried to get 470 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: through it, and tried to be better and not show 471 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: my emotions to the kids. And then there was something 472 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: that I decided had to change for me, because walking 473 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: around with that anger and resentment bitterness was making me 474 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 3: feel ugly. And I was convinced it was making me 475 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: look ugly. Like I would look in the mirror and 476 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: I would see ugly, and I would see pain, and 477 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: I would see disappointment, and I just like, I don't 478 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: want this anymore. Bye, Just get rid of it. And 479 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: I hope that people know that that's possible if you 480 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 3: choose to do it. It is possible. 481 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: Now that you've had some time from the divorce and 482 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: your kids are older, they're doing so well, they're thriving. 483 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your learnings are when it comes to 484 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: how to talk to kids about divorce and how to 485 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: support kids who are going through it, because I'm thinking 486 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: of a dear friend of mine whose kids are really 487 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: struggling with the fact that their parents aren't together, and 488 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: I just know a lot of people would benefit from 489 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: hearing your perspective on this. 490 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: It sucks for the kids, you guys, I think the 491 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: kids are the people that it hurts the most. It's 492 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: something that is embedded in them at usually young ages, 493 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: and those are the ages when they're not equipped to 494 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: handle those kind of emotional traumas. You know, their brain 495 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: literally just doesn't know what to do with what's happening, 496 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: and they internalize it, they get mad at one or 497 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: the other parent. They suffer in so many ways that 498 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 3: I'm very aware of that. Peter had a much different 499 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: perspective on it, a much more like they'll be fine, 500 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 3: they will adjust. They are what's that word they always 501 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: say about kids, resilient. They're resilient. He and I disagree 502 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: on this, and we agree to disagree on this, and 503 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 3: we have very different parenting styles because of it and 504 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: through it, and even now in my home, I always 505 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: want to know what you're feeling. I always want to. 506 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: I want you to be honest with me or through feelings. 507 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: I want to know when you hate me and when 508 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: you're blaming everything on me. It's okay. I can take 509 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: it because I know that I'm the only person that 510 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: can take it. And all your anger and your frustration 511 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: and your hurt and how it comes out in different 512 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: ways and it projects into different things. I can take it. 513 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: I'm your mom and I will still love you, so 514 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 3: give it all to me. And I was like a 515 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: safe space for them to really feel the feelings and 516 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: talk about it and so just kind of getting through 517 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: it with them and allowing your kids to feel their 518 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: feelings and not taking it personally. 519 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: I'm wondering how your identity shifted after the separation, because 520 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: you said it hurt pretty bad. 521 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: I never knew how to choose myself. I was lost 522 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: at that point in my life and really trying to 523 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 3: get through it. I didn't have the tools and I 524 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: really didn't have the support. I had to sort of 525 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: like hit rock bottom and be really lost for a 526 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: certain period of time. And then it was not until 527 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: I underwent some really important healing therapy intensive therapy that 528 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 3: I was able to find that core of who I 529 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: was and what I wanted and the healing that needed 530 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: to happen, and just acknowledging and allowing it to happen. 531 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: And that gave me a certain love for myself, Like 532 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, Okay, look at all the work 533 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: you have to do, Look at all the work you've done, 534 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: Like you can do this. And I think that's how 535 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: I found the place of loving myself first. And I 536 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: had so much fun getting to know me and love 537 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: me and picking up all the shattered pieces and like 538 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: gluing them back together and molding that into something that 539 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: I was proud of, and that I how I wanted 540 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: to show up for the world and my daughters and 541 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: for myself. 542 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Jenny, you have the most beautiful heart. But as we 543 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: wrap up our conversation, this is the bright side. We 544 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: wanted to end on a bright note. And something that 545 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: puts a smile on my face is nineties nostalgia because 546 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: it was just it was the best times. It was 547 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: the best times are simpler, it was more wholesome. 548 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: We were hearing, our fashion was better. 549 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: I'm so glad that both of you got to experience 550 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: just a little bit of the freedom of the night. 551 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, what makes you nostalgic when you think about 552 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: that time. 553 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: I just think about how present everybody was with everyone 554 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: and what a gift that was. And I mean as 555 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: far as thestalgia. 556 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: Butterfly clips eye like what we think spaghetti strap. 557 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: The eyebrows, you guys, my eyebrows were pencil thin. And 558 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: then I you know, I still close with my cast 559 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: members and we love each other so much and always will. 560 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: Like looking at them, I'm reminded of, like, well, what 561 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: the nineties were so rad because we were all there 562 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: and we were in it together, and we lived through 563 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: that entire decade from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand 564 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: on that show, and it represented so much to so 565 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: many people and to us, and you know, to me, 566 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 3: I'm so happy that I was a part of that. 567 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite red carpet look from the nineties? 568 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: Is there one that lives rent free in your head? 569 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: There's so many bad ones. Yes, there was the Markwong 570 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: narc dress that was like paper thin crape black and 571 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 3: it like crisscrossed right here and wrappederman and I wore 572 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: white satin gloves with it. It was something. But the 573 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: other one that comes to my mind is when I 574 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: decided to wear it was this was a designer I 575 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: think too, some big person had me wear it was 576 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: literally a bandana just tied around my boobs with like 577 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: the point going right there and a really super super 578 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: low like leather skirt with it. 579 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: Those were good looks. Did you save any of the 580 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: clothes for your daughters? Do they get to wear them? 581 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: I wish. I'm a perjer Like. The only thing I 582 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: have that's legit from the nineties is Kelly's cowboy boots, 583 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: and I wear them all the time. Oh that's so cool. Yeah. 584 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: They hurt my feet like no other, but I still 585 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: wear them because Thank you, Jenny. 586 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: We've taken up way too much of your day. Thank 587 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the bright side. 588 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: You're so welcome. I love chatting with you guys. Jenny, 589 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 3: Thank you. 590 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Jenny Garth is an actor, former star of Beverly Hills 591 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: nine O two one zero, and the host of the 592 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: podcast I Choose Me. She's also the founder the clothing 593 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: line Me by Jenny Garth. 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