WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Trade Up, Down, Or Stay Put? 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.640 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:14.240 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This He's Talking 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.840 Cowboys training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:30.560 the Star in Friday. And now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, heck, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:41.479 My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's will beat me 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.879 up for another TCT Tuesday is Talking Cowboys. Crew is 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.360 in the SWBC Mortgage studios and the gang is here 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:58.160 minus minus numero. Oh no, k Y. It definitely knows 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:04.080 Jelly today on the Oh, he's not here today, and 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.080 so I'm with my guy in the closer week into 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.800 the draft, I will definitely make sure that I acknowledge 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.080 that you are the fourth round pick, one hundred and 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:16.520 third pick and the two thousand and seven draft. My man, 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.120 Isaiah stand back, you dubbed is in the building, my man, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.160 and Super Bowl champion. Throw the magazines up and man pee. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.040 How many nicknames do you have so far? Since you 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.400 since we've joined the show, We've given you like probably 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.120 three in my life and then start joined the show 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.760 probably like twenty three. Talking about Yeah, so expanded, Rob, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.480 Rob Phillips, Yes, Rob p Island trend to dad P 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:54.280 just pe easter p Easter building like two this morning 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.680 when I walked that man, Yeah, you know that's what 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.960 it's rough man, rough crowd. You know we'll go welcome 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.960 over Coop shirt with all his nicknames. But I'm telling 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.559 you it's a good idea to do do it now. Still, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.800 every week you get a new one that's just got 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.480 blue bonnets every time we see you, fickle man. We 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.600 got another Tuesday, guys. I got a good show planning, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.520 plenty of action on the questions today. I can't wait 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.799 to hear what you guys have to say about all 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.680 of the things that we have to run down. But Pete, 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.680 we got some serious business to take care of. And 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.160 and obviously I'm gonna leave give you the floor because 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.400 I want to get the kind of the rundown of 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.280 the deadlines on how everything transpired. And we're talking about 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.960 Kelvin Joseph and you know the serious charges that he 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.560 has right now. Yeah, I think with a situation like this, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.639 the best thing I think I could do is just 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.160 tell everybody what we know, because there's so much that 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.840 we don't know right now with that with that case, 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.880 that investigation, and I guess we'll just start with what 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.919 happened I think almost a month ago to the day 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.639 m Cameron Ray, and this is the most important part 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.720 of the story. A man lost his life. Cameron Ray, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.640 years old, was in the Lower Greenville district of Dallas, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.560 was shot and killed in a drive by shooting. There 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:14.520 was a Dallas police investigation, and Kelvin Joseph was wanted 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:20.600 for questioning because of surveillance video that surfaced about his 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.760 connection to a group that was in that car that 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:29.799 shot a shot Cameron Ray allegedly, so he spoke to 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.480 investigators last week. Two other men have been arrested in 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.680 connection to that shooting. I think that happened on Saturday 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.560 over the weekend, and there has not been an arrest 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.960 of Kelvin Joseph or he has not been charged with 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.080 anything either. But as far as we know, the investigation 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.560 is still open. So beyond that, I don't know where 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.760 it goes from here for Kelvin Joseph other than it's 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.360 my understanding he was here in the building taking part 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.520 in the start of the Cowboys voluntary offseason program yesterday. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.400 So I think, based on what's happened to this point 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.760 and the Cowboys appear to be just letting this situation 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.720 play out legally and see and see what happens, because 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.440 there hasn't been any movement from them in terms of, hey, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.200 we're just monitoring the situation. That's that was the essence 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.440 of their statement last week. And I, Saiah, let me 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.719 ask you this man from from a being in the 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.159 locker room and having h knowing, you know, being having 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.360 your teammates there and guys that you rely on heavily, 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.120 how does this affect a locker room when you have 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.479 one of your teammates have these serious occusations and obviously 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.680 the videotape and everything. How does that in the locker room? 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.120 How does that premeate in the locker room? Not good? 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.360 Not good. There's been a number of teams that I've 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.479 been on, you know, especially here in Dallas, where we 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.760 had a lot of controversial players on a team, you know, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.000 and going back to you know, whether people want to 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.680 call Till controversial. You got you know pac Man Jones 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.919 and his legal issues that he had, you had, you know, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.440 Tank Johnson the issues that he had legally. It's it's 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.440 one of those things where you don't want that conversation 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.680 revolving around your team, especially when you're coming you're trying 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.120 to launch a season, you're trying to launch off season program. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.160 You're trying to have everybody's you know, eyes on the prize, 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.080 and hey, this is what we're gonna do going forward, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.560 this is what we're gonna make up for last year, 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.839 and then you have this thrown in the mix. Um, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.600 you know, to Rob's point, and it is really unfortunate 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.320 that a young man lost his life. I think it's 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.720 eye opening in terms of gentlemen in this on this team, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.919 in this locker room, and even with amongst the league, 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.320 you know, watching who you're hanging out with, you know, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.800 watching the circle that you keep, the company that you keep. Uh, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.960 it just it's it's a it's a it's an unfortunate situation. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.960 It's a terrible look. Obviously, you already mentioned that this 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.800 case is still open. I think as of yesterday, I 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.440 think you know, the two of the gentlemen that he 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:49.080 was presumably with have admitted Tom to what they either 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.920 rolling it um. So there's no telling in terms of 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.800 can you even depend on Kelvin Joseph Now, you know, 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.560 in terms of the draft coming up, it changes it 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.120 changes everything in terms of the you know, the the 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.080 GEM and the scouting department now is like, okay, somebody 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.160 that we were relying on as a one year kind 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.960 of project. Hopefully they were hoping that he would have 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.440 contributed last year, but now definitely we talked about it 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.760 last week or week before that they were going to 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.240 be laying their head on him in terms of him 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.200 trying to step up this year. Now, what do you 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.200 do going into the draft? Do you replace him? Do 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.640 you take somebody at that hyper because there's probably something 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.360 he's probably going to be attached to this in some 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.800 form or fashion, right, so you can expect there to 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.640 be some form of suspension at some point in time 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.720 or regardless of how severe that maybe there's a whole lot, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.320 you know, I want to speculate on anything. There's a 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.120 lot that's going to come down. But it changes a 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.760 lot in terms of your your team's expectations and who 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.920 they could really rely on. Yeah, that's that's the other 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.719 side of this thing too. And again the biggest factor 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.400 or part of this story is that someone died. Yes, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.080 and I forgot to mention because I say, you jog 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.080 my memory here. There was a statement made by Kelvin 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.600 Joseph's attorney to the Morning News here in Dallas that yes, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.360 he was in a passenger in the car, but he 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.360 was not the shooter. He was unarmed, he didn't want 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.080 any part of what happened. So that's where that stands 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.560 at this point. But to your point, Isaiah, like, that's 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.080 from a football perspective. We've seen with the Cowboys and 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:16.360 different legal situations or accusations. It doesn't take a charge 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.040 or an arrest to be penalized by the NFL discipline 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.720 face some kind of discipline. So there's I mean, there 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.120 may not be a resolution from from the Cowboys side, 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.360 Kelvin Joseph's side, for it could be weeks, it could 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.600 be months. We just don't know at this point. Yeah, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.160 and I think guys, we we obviously we want to 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.240 be very sensitive because this is a legal matter and 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.440 you know, no charges has been brought against Kelvin Joseph. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.560 For me, guys, when when we got the group text 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.280 about what was going on, and yeah, I was, I was. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.160 I was ticked off about it, genuinely ticked off about 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.520 it because growing up in a community where these kinds 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.160 of things happen too often, and looking at what's happening 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.800 in our country of things like this that are happening 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:05.400 way too often. Don't hold no punches when I say 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.320 I am not a gun advocate. I am the opposite 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.280 on that spectrum, and I'm cool to everybody that does. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:12.800 But when you come to the state of Texas, you 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.680 better get used to it, because this is just what 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.600 it is. I'm disappointed in this lifestyle and where common 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.880 sense isn't really common and situations like this that could 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.800 easily be resolved. Someone goes to picking up a pistol 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.920 or whatever weapon you have, and a life is lost. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.080 Like you said, that's the story, Cameron Ray, a young 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.000 man that's twenty years old, and that's what I'm saying. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.839 That's not common sense for a mother to have to 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.200 bury her child. You can't even fathom it. I can't 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.000 even think of it. And I have a son, a 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.680 teenage son that I try and talk to every day 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.480 about his surroundings and the people that he's talking to 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.800 and what he's doing with them, because it's way too 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.880 easy to get caught up in a situation like this. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.800 If you come from certain environments, we think that when 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.319 you well, you're a millionaire. Now life should be change. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.040 You should know better than that. Kelvin Joseph is twenty 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.040 one years old, and let me tell you something. When 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.160 I think about where I was at twenty one years old, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.480 I just is nothing but the grace of the Lord 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.680 that I am here functioning. So I want to handle 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.880 this with the matter of grace as well, because I 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.360 want for young men that are in situations like this 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.680 to think and say to themselves that I have way 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.000 more to lose than the company that I'm around. And 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.199 so look, I'm gonna leave it at that so that 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:29.800 we could get on with the rest of this show, 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.800 because we have an awesome show. But that had to 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:37.120 be talked about. But in other news, all season workouts 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:44.760 have started, well, Fallen told workouts started and everybody that 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.079 I believe that we have all hands on deck. Everyone 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.920 that's supposed to be here is here, which is everyone 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.200 I would I would. I don't have a head count. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.640 Usually it usually it is usually guys. And going back 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.160 to when Isaiah was playing here, I mean, the tendances 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.920 is usually pretty good because guys, it's a good place 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.480 to live. Guys don't really live outside a state. In 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.599 the off season, that makes it easier to do. And 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.840 it's also it also helps if and I'm not every 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.240 guy has this, but if you have workout bonuses built 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.480 into your contract, it doesn't hurt to show up for 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.920 five weeks, get some lifts in, take part of some OTAs, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.240 and and get a nice check on top of your 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.000 game checks when the season starts. Man. Funny story, quick story, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.439 Rickie year, everybody gets drafted. We go down to I 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.840 believe it was San Antonio and we're hanging out there. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.800 It's it's a night before practice starts, right, like, hey, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.920 and all none of the Rockies have been signed yet, none, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.719 none of us, right, none of the draft picks have 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.000 been signed. That back in the day, that was so 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.559 this was the thing. So the reason why there was 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.199 such a hang up the night before right, not knowing 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.079 if you were going to practice the first day, was 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.160 because they had a clause in our contracts that said 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.920 if you're not present for seventy plus percent of the 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.640 offseason workouts, then they don't have to pay you a 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.439 certain percentage of your salary. It was something it was 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.640 some kind of some kind of verbiage like that, and 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.800 so all that everybody was like heck, no, we ain't 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.880 signing this, you know what I mean? Like we were together, 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.480 one little one lord bond, right, just nobody's doing it. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.920 The trust treat Yeah, the trust, the circle of trust. Right, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:17.839 Dion Anderson's agent signs the deal. Oh Man agrees to 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.200 the deal. Everybody had to follow suit after that. Right. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.560 It wasn't a problem because we were gonna be here anyways. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.199 But there, you know, as you think about Randy Gregory, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.560 right in the verbiage that that are in these contracts, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.719 there's little things like that that you have to pay 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.599 a lot of attention to and maybe those things contribute 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.160 to the to the population and the contribute you know 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.559 what I'm saying, in the in the in the participation 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.160 in the offseason workouts, there's little tricky things like that 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.000 that play a part so that one domino fail everybody 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.640 at the ball. That's that's now, that's ringing a bell. Man, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.840 I forgot about that. Yeah, it was the night before 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.360 and night before Christmas doing it? Man, Well, what does 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.920 that do for your team? As far as the camaraderie, uh, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.520 you know, Isaiah, obviously the rookies are here there, bright eyed, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.280 bushy tails being you know, and feeling like an NFL, 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.600 feeling like a pro. But then you have those wily 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.120 veterans that are here that's laughing probably at the young 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.160 guys coming in. What was your experience with that, obviously 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.679 knowing that, look, man, I'm fighting for a position to 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.800 get on this get on this team. I think it's 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.560 very important. It's awesome that you that you get back 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.040 into saddle, you know, especially coming out off of a year. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.040 For all the guys that are returning coming off of 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.439 last year, I mean the disappointment of that. You want 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.439 to get back to work as soon as possible. You 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.400 had your little vacation, You got to go out the country, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.680 hang out with your family, lady, all that kind of jazz, 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.240 spend some time, relax for about a week or two 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:35.920 off of working out, get back on it, and now 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:37.719 it's time to start putting your mind back on the 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.839 prize again, and that is trying to get that dog 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.040 on Lombardy, right. You were a couple of games away 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.120 from that thing, and that's that is the worst feeling 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.440 in the world, knowing you were three games away and tada, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.600 your back home, just like everybody else in the league. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.959 So it's awesome. When you get all these guys back 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.840 in the locker room, you haven't seen guys in a while, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.280 you got the camaraderie. COVID is kind of, you know, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.319 going away in terms of all the restrictions regarding that. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.240 So we know how strenuous and uptight that has been 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.480 over the past few years. So this should be a 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.200 huge offseason for the guys and they should be more 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.040 than excited to see each other participate in workouts. It's 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.920 not a straight grind day one. They work you into it, right, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.400 but it's awesome to see all your boys again. Now 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.760 you saw adults. And Schultz had some great things to 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.360 say about having Dak healthy. Last year. Dak really couldn't 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.400 participate in the voluntary workouts. He was here in the building, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.319 but more rehabbing from the ankle injury. What is that 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.040 in just your estimation in the off season, obviously with 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.840 everything that they're going to have to get into Cupboade, now, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.520 how big and how effective is that going to be 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.079 for this team in the team building part? I think 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.080 it's huge. I think it's probably the single most important 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.720 thing they could get done this offseason is have Dak 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.960 not worrying about that part of his off season, there's 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.800 not I mean, he's gonna have probably management style things 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.840 to do with his ankle probably the rest of his career, 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.600 but it's not a straight up a month long rehab 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.439 thing that he's dealing with. And Yeah, Schultz talked about that, 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.400 like they've had these captain workouts the last few weeks 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.520 where you can show up and it's it's not supervised 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.839 by coaches. He's just guys out doing um strength and 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.640 conditioning stuff. But guys are getting together on their own 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.400 and throwing. And he said, we've already gotten together with 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.480 guys doing that, uh, way more so than last year 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.600 because of Dak's situation. I think I mean that to me, Um, 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.360 when you're talking about the quarterback position and that importance 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.680 to your overall team success, that's the biggest thing they 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.080 can accomplish this offseason in my opinion, And along with 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.640 what Isaia spoke about the camaraderie. We talked to Dante 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.760 Fowler last week. Here's a new guy coming in who 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.080 has met only a few guys, played with a couple 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.120 of guys passing his career, Uh, you know, played for 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 Dan Quinn, gets to meet everybody. Build that camaraderie. I 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.480 think that is important, even though for the first couple 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.400 of weeks, Um, there's no football involved. You're just you're 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.760 just getting your your lift in, getting your your running 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.040 in Zaya for listen, I want to get to the 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:59.520 to the bazuka. Um, well, guys, I got about to 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.120 fight the other what what? And I'm telling you, look 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.680 at Slim and Trim. All right, look at Slim and Trim. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.040 But didn't you say he was gonna come back at 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.400 like two ninety? I didn't say to ninety. I think 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.880 you did yeh eighty because I'm I'm look, I'm a 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.360 go ahead and stack campaign. He is not He's not that. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.400 He is not that. But how important for a guy 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.440 like this coming off of a monster rookie season and 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.600 just the offseason, the workouts, how pivotal. I mean you 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.480 obviously the years that you've played in physically you probably 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.120 got bigger and bigger and bigger. I don't know how 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:36.840 you can add on anything for Mica. For Micah, yeah, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.000 you know, in his position, how does he you know, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.920 continue to grow as a player in this offseason? It's huge. 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.080 I mean, you talk about the physical aspect of the game. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.960 This this portion of the year is is so crucial 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.080 because of the fact that you have this window of 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.800 time from April until August to put on as much 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.080 mass as you possibly can, because the reality is you 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.160 built up all this muscle. You know, we have Harold Nash, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.960 who was the head coach here. I had him as 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.240 an assistant strength coach in New England. He's a he's 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.040 a beast. He walks around it like a little swollen 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.600 bowling ball. Okay, and when you're with him, you're gonna 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.040 live some weight. So they have they have a heck 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.280 of a leadership team in regards to that, and he's 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.280 gonna have an opportunity to spend the entire offseason with him, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.240 right from now until August, so they're gonna be able 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.000 to get him on a dietitian, with the dietitian, get 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.320 him on the shore, the conditioning program right, be able 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.080 to work with the coaches, see you exactly what the 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.400 game plan is. Once the draft settles in, they'll have 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.440 more of an idea in terms of how they want 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.360 to utilize him. I'm sure they already have that idea. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.720 But now, once you have the pieces in place, okay, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.720 we need you more of a linebacker role, or we 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.240 need to put some more masks on you because you're 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.480 gonna have your hand in the ground a little bit 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.160 more than we expected initially depending on what comes unto 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.880 our roster. So it's huge in terms of the time 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.320 span that they get to work with their coaches and 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.600 their leadership, and then in terms of his actual leadership aspect, 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.480 it's huge because now you're not coming in as the rookie. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.160 Now you're coming in as a guy who had who's 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.760 one of the most impactful players in the league last year. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.440 But what is that going to do to your psyche? 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.960 Are you gonna be are you gonna be big headed? 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.280 Are you gonna come in and take the leadership role? Right? 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.880 What are what role you're gonna really play? Because it's 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.879 easy to get high and mighty when everybody's saying, oh 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.040 Michael Parsons, oh bazook, oh, oh my god? Right, does 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.720 that change your approach in an all season because guys 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.879 that are now coming on to the team, they might 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.920 respect your play, but they don't have to respect you 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.320 as a person. So that's gonna be interesting to see 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.119 how he what role he takes on in that regard. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.359 How do you think it affects him as far as 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.240 dan Quinn now knowing what he has and implementing his system. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.200 And that's what I kind of was was hearing what 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.520 you're saying, but now taking that leadership role. That's that's 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.680 probably the thing that you're saying is most important in 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.359 this offseason. For Yeah, it was big because you think 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.959 about last year. It was the experiment exact last year 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.080 was an experiment. You know, as you went throughout the season, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.480 they kept trying things out. Okay, hey, we're gonna trying 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.399 him at linebacker and we're gonna blitz some up in 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.400 this gap. Okay, that worked cool, All right, Now let's 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:50.880 go ahead and move him outside. We had a defense 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:52.320 and end that's hurt. Let's put him on the outside. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.600 Oh crap, he can rush too. Okay, let's right, that's 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.000 going and put him man in a man coverage on 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.840 the running back. Everything was an experiment. Now he knocked 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.480 everything out there out the part it was it was 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.760 he passed every test with flying colors. However, it was 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.919 an experiment. So now you know what he's capable of. Right, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.080 you put the you put the green dot on him 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.560 or whatever it was. Okay, you put the dot on 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.960 his helmet, not so much too much on him. Okay, 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:14.879 now you have a whole off season to let him 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.000 grow into that role. You're not trying to force that 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:18.840 on him. You're not throwing that on him and seeing, Hey, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.280 if we throw that on him, that might be too 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:21.760 much for him and we might lose the game in 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.320 the process. Now you know exactly what you have and 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.280 you can build him into that role that you have 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.440 for him. And don't you feel the same way about 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.000 Osa Diggi Zola and yeah, and Chauncey Golson and players 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.040 like that that were contributors, especially Olsa Digi Zoo and 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.200 having that domination that he had the defensive front. How 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.560 pivotal the off season is for players like him. Absolutely, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.080 m He's a guy I don't know we've talked about 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.600 that much in terms of how much he played, how 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.679 much he contributed. And then because I think Neville Gallimore 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.400 comes back mid season and we kind we didn't forget 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.320 about Osa, but he was He was a vital starter 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.399 that first half of the season, and then they get 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.120 a couple of vets back and then it's like, Okay, 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.280 he can take a little bit of a breath here, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.920 but they're relying on him next season. They're relying on 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.520 Chauncey Golson, Like you said, who, by the way, missed 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.040 all of training camp last year and a couple of 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.639 games into the season and then all of a sudden, 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.520 now you got to you gotta hit the ground running 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.320 in the middle of your first regular season that you 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.920 didn't have any training for. So I think this will 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:23.000 be beneficial for him, And you're right about Mica, like 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.320 you think about how remarkable it was for him. Experiments 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.520 a good word because Week one against Tampa Bay, he's 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:35.520 covering Gronkowski and Fournette, but he's he's basically in coverage 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.520