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Speaker 1: the Star in Friday. And now your hosts Isaiah stand Back, heck,
Speaker 1: My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's will beat me
Speaker 1: up for another TCT Tuesday is Talking Cowboys. Crew is
Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios and the gang is here
Speaker 1: minus minus numero. Oh no, k Y. It definitely knows
Speaker 1: Jelly today on the Oh, he's not here today, and
Speaker 1: so I'm with my guy in the closer week into
Speaker 1: the draft, I will definitely make sure that I acknowledge
Speaker 1: that you are the fourth round pick, one hundred and
Speaker 1: third pick and the two thousand and seven draft. My man,
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, you dubbed is in the building, my man,
Speaker 1: and Super Bowl champion. Throw the magazines up and man pee.
Speaker 1: How many nicknames do you have so far? Since you
Speaker 1: since we've joined the show, We've given you like probably
Speaker 1: three in my life and then start joined the show
Speaker 1: probably like twenty three. Talking about Yeah, so expanded, Rob,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Yes, Rob p Island trend to dad P
Speaker 1: just pe easter p Easter building like two this morning
Speaker 1: when I walked that man, Yeah, you know that's what
Speaker 1: it's rough man, rough crowd. You know we'll go welcome
Speaker 1: over Coop shirt with all his nicknames. But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it's a good idea to do do it now. Still,
Speaker 1: every week you get a new one that's just got
Speaker 1: blue bonnets every time we see you, fickle man. We
Speaker 1: got another Tuesday, guys. I got a good show planning,
Speaker 1: plenty of action on the questions today. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear what you guys have to say about all
Speaker 1: of the things that we have to run down. But Pete,
Speaker 1: we got some serious business to take care of. And
Speaker 1: and obviously I'm gonna leave give you the floor because
Speaker 1: I want to get the kind of the rundown of
Speaker 1: the deadlines on how everything transpired. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph and you know the serious charges that he
Speaker 1: has right now. Yeah, I think with a situation like this,
Speaker 1: the best thing I think I could do is just
Speaker 1: tell everybody what we know, because there's so much that
Speaker 1: we don't know right now with that with that case,
Speaker 1: that investigation, and I guess we'll just start with what
Speaker 1: happened I think almost a month ago to the day
Speaker 1: m Cameron Ray, and this is the most important part
Speaker 1: of the story. A man lost his life. Cameron Ray,
Speaker 1: years old, was in the Lower Greenville district of Dallas,
Speaker 1: was shot and killed in a drive by shooting. There
Speaker 1: was a Dallas police investigation, and Kelvin Joseph was wanted
Speaker 1: for questioning because of surveillance video that surfaced about his
Speaker 1: connection to a group that was in that car that
Speaker 1: shot a shot Cameron Ray allegedly, so he spoke to
Speaker 1: investigators last week. Two other men have been arrested in
Speaker 1: connection to that shooting. I think that happened on Saturday
Speaker 1: over the weekend, and there has not been an arrest
Speaker 1: of Kelvin Joseph or he has not been charged with
Speaker 1: anything either. But as far as we know, the investigation
Speaker 1: is still open. So beyond that, I don't know where
Speaker 1: it goes from here for Kelvin Joseph other than it's
Speaker 1: my understanding he was here in the building taking part
Speaker 1: in the start of the Cowboys voluntary offseason program yesterday.
Speaker 1: So I think, based on what's happened to this point
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys appear to be just letting this situation
Speaker 1: play out legally and see and see what happens, because
Speaker 1: there hasn't been any movement from them in terms of, hey,
Speaker 1: we're just monitoring the situation. That's that was the essence
Speaker 1: of their statement last week. And I, Saiah, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this man from from a being in the
Speaker 1: locker room and having h knowing, you know, being having
Speaker 1: your teammates there and guys that you rely on heavily,
Speaker 1: how does this affect a locker room when you have
Speaker 1: one of your teammates have these serious occusations and obviously
Speaker 1: the videotape and everything. How does that in the locker room?
Speaker 1: How does that premeate in the locker room? Not good?
Speaker 1: Not good. There's been a number of teams that I've
Speaker 1: been on, you know, especially here in Dallas, where we
Speaker 1: had a lot of controversial players on a team, you know,
Speaker 1: and going back to you know, whether people want to
Speaker 1: call Till controversial. You got you know pac Man Jones
Speaker 1: and his legal issues that he had, you had, you know,
Speaker 1: Tank Johnson the issues that he had legally. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where you don't want that conversation
Speaker 1: revolving around your team, especially when you're coming you're trying
Speaker 1: to launch a season, you're trying to launch off season program.
Speaker 1: You're trying to have everybody's you know, eyes on the prize,
Speaker 1: and hey, this is what we're gonna do going forward,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna make up for last year,
Speaker 1: and then you have this thrown in the mix. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, to Rob's point, and it is really unfortunate
Speaker 1: that a young man lost his life. I think it's
Speaker 1: eye opening in terms of gentlemen in this on this team,
Speaker 1: in this locker room, and even with amongst the league,
Speaker 1: you know, watching who you're hanging out with, you know,
Speaker 1: watching the circle that you keep, the company that you keep. Uh,
Speaker 1: it just it's it's a it's a it's an unfortunate situation.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible look. Obviously, you already mentioned that this
Speaker 1: case is still open. I think as of yesterday, I
Speaker 1: think you know, the two of the gentlemen that he
Speaker 1: was presumably with have admitted Tom to what they either
Speaker 1: rolling it um. So there's no telling in terms of
Speaker 1: can you even depend on Kelvin Joseph Now, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of the draft coming up, it changes it
Speaker 1: changes everything in terms of the you know, the the
Speaker 1: GEM and the scouting department now is like, okay, somebody
Speaker 1: that we were relying on as a one year kind
Speaker 1: of project. Hopefully they were hoping that he would have
Speaker 1: contributed last year, but now definitely we talked about it
Speaker 1: last week or week before that they were going to
Speaker 1: be laying their head on him in terms of him
Speaker 1: trying to step up this year. Now, what do you
Speaker 1: do going into the draft? Do you replace him? Do
Speaker 1: you take somebody at that hyper because there's probably something
Speaker 1: he's probably going to be attached to this in some
Speaker 1: form or fashion, right, so you can expect there to
Speaker 1: be some form of suspension at some point in time
Speaker 1: or regardless of how severe that maybe there's a whole lot,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to speculate on anything. There's a
Speaker 1: lot that's going to come down. But it changes a
Speaker 1: lot in terms of your your team's expectations and who
Speaker 1: they could really rely on. Yeah, that's that's the other
Speaker 1: side of this thing too. And again the biggest factor
Speaker 1: or part of this story is that someone died. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I forgot to mention because I say, you jog
Speaker 1: my memory here. There was a statement made by Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph's attorney to the Morning News here in Dallas that yes,
Speaker 1: he was in a passenger in the car, but he
Speaker 1: was not the shooter. He was unarmed, he didn't want
Speaker 1: any part of what happened. So that's where that stands
Speaker 1: at this point. But to your point, Isaiah, like, that's
Speaker 1: from a football perspective. We've seen with the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: different legal situations or accusations. It doesn't take a charge
Speaker 1: or an arrest to be penalized by the NFL discipline
Speaker 1: face some kind of discipline. So there's I mean, there
Speaker 1: may not be a resolution from from the Cowboys side,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph's side, for it could be weeks, it could
Speaker 1: be months. We just don't know at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think guys, we we obviously we want to
Speaker 1: be very sensitive because this is a legal matter and
Speaker 1: you know, no charges has been brought against Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: For me, guys, when when we got the group text
Speaker 1: about what was going on, and yeah, I was, I was.
Speaker 1: I was ticked off about it, genuinely ticked off about
Speaker 1: it because growing up in a community where these kinds
Speaker 1: of things happen too often, and looking at what's happening
Speaker 1: in our country of things like this that are happening
Speaker 1: way too often. Don't hold no punches when I say
Speaker 1: I am not a gun advocate. I am the opposite
Speaker 1: on that spectrum, and I'm cool to everybody that does.
Speaker 1: But when you come to the state of Texas, you
Speaker 1: better get used to it, because this is just what
Speaker 1: it is. I'm disappointed in this lifestyle and where common
Speaker 1: sense isn't really common and situations like this that could
Speaker 1: easily be resolved. Someone goes to picking up a pistol
Speaker 1: or whatever weapon you have, and a life is lost.
Speaker 1: Like you said, that's the story, Cameron Ray, a young
Speaker 1: man that's twenty years old, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's not common sense for a mother to have to
Speaker 1: bury her child. You can't even fathom it. I can't
Speaker 1: even think of it. And I have a son, a
Speaker 1: teenage son that I try and talk to every day
Speaker 1: about his surroundings and the people that he's talking to
Speaker 1: and what he's doing with them, because it's way too
Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in a situation like this.
Speaker 1: If you come from certain environments, we think that when
Speaker 1: you well, you're a millionaire. Now life should be change.
Speaker 1: You should know better than that. Kelvin Joseph is twenty
Speaker 1: one years old, and let me tell you something. When
Speaker 1: I think about where I was at twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: I just is nothing but the grace of the Lord
Speaker 1: that I am here functioning. So I want to handle
Speaker 1: this with the matter of grace as well, because I
Speaker 1: want for young men that are in situations like this
Speaker 1: to think and say to themselves that I have way
Speaker 1: more to lose than the company that I'm around. And
Speaker 1: so look, I'm gonna leave it at that so that
Speaker 1: we could get on with the rest of this show,
Speaker 1: because we have an awesome show. But that had to
Speaker 1: be talked about. But in other news, all season workouts
Speaker 1: have started, well, Fallen told workouts started and everybody that
Speaker 1: I believe that we have all hands on deck. Everyone
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be here is here, which is everyone
Speaker 1: I would I would. I don't have a head count.
Speaker 1: Usually it usually it is usually guys. And going back
Speaker 1: to when Isaiah was playing here, I mean, the tendances
Speaker 1: is usually pretty good because guys, it's a good place
Speaker 1: to live. Guys don't really live outside a state. In
Speaker 1: the off season, that makes it easier to do. And
Speaker 1: it's also it also helps if and I'm not every
Speaker 1: guy has this, but if you have workout bonuses built
Speaker 1: into your contract, it doesn't hurt to show up for
Speaker 1: five weeks, get some lifts in, take part of some OTAs,
Speaker 1: and and get a nice check on top of your
Speaker 1: game checks when the season starts. Man. Funny story, quick story,
Speaker 1: Rickie year, everybody gets drafted. We go down to I
Speaker 1: believe it was San Antonio and we're hanging out there.
Speaker 1: It's it's a night before practice starts, right, like, hey,
Speaker 1: and all none of the Rockies have been signed yet, none,
Speaker 1: none of us, right, none of the draft picks have
Speaker 1: been signed. That back in the day, that was so
Speaker 1: this was the thing. So the reason why there was
Speaker 1: such a hang up the night before right, not knowing
Speaker 1: if you were going to practice the first day, was
Speaker 1: because they had a clause in our contracts that said
Speaker 1: if you're not present for seventy plus percent of the
Speaker 1: offseason workouts, then they don't have to pay you a
Speaker 1: certain percentage of your salary. It was something it was
Speaker 1: some kind of some kind of verbiage like that, and
Speaker 1: so all that everybody was like heck, no, we ain't
Speaker 1: signing this, you know what I mean? Like we were together,
Speaker 1: one little one lord bond, right, just nobody's doing it.
Speaker 1: The trust treat Yeah, the trust, the circle of trust. Right,
Speaker 1: Dion Anderson's agent signs the deal. Oh Man agrees to
Speaker 1: the deal. Everybody had to follow suit after that. Right.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a problem because we were gonna be here anyways.
Speaker 1: But there, you know, as you think about Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: right in the verbiage that that are in these contracts,
Speaker 1: there's little things like that that you have to pay
Speaker 1: a lot of attention to and maybe those things contribute
Speaker 1: to the to the population and the contribute you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, in the in the in the participation
Speaker 1: in the offseason workouts, there's little tricky things like that
Speaker 1: that play a part so that one domino fail everybody
Speaker 1: at the ball. That's that's now, that's ringing a bell. Man,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, it was the night before
Speaker 1: and night before Christmas doing it? Man, Well, what does
Speaker 1: that do for your team? As far as the camaraderie, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah, obviously the rookies are here there, bright eyed,
Speaker 1: bushy tails being you know, and feeling like an NFL,
Speaker 1: feeling like a pro. But then you have those wily
Speaker 1: veterans that are here that's laughing probably at the young
Speaker 1: guys coming in. What was your experience with that, obviously
Speaker 1: knowing that, look, man, I'm fighting for a position to
Speaker 1: get on this get on this team. I think it's
Speaker 1: very important. It's awesome that you that you get back
Speaker 1: into saddle, you know, especially coming out off of a year.
Speaker 1: For all the guys that are returning coming off of
Speaker 1: last year, I mean the disappointment of that. You want
Speaker 1: to get back to work as soon as possible. You
Speaker 1: had your little vacation, You got to go out the country,
Speaker 1: hang out with your family, lady, all that kind of jazz,
Speaker 1: spend some time, relax for about a week or two
Speaker 1: off of working out, get back on it, and now
Speaker 1: it's time to start putting your mind back on the
Speaker 1: prize again, and that is trying to get that dog
Speaker 1: on Lombardy, right. You were a couple of games away
Speaker 1: from that thing, and that's that is the worst feeling
Speaker 1: in the world, knowing you were three games away and tada,
Speaker 1: your back home, just like everybody else in the league.
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. When you get all these guys back
Speaker 1: in the locker room, you haven't seen guys in a while,
Speaker 1: you got the camaraderie. COVID is kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: going away in terms of all the restrictions regarding that.
Speaker 1: So we know how strenuous and uptight that has been
Speaker 1: over the past few years. So this should be a
Speaker 1: huge offseason for the guys and they should be more
Speaker 1: than excited to see each other participate in workouts. It's
Speaker 1: not a straight grind day one. They work you into it, right,
Speaker 1: but it's awesome to see all your boys again. Now
Speaker 1: you saw adults. And Schultz had some great things to
Speaker 1: say about having Dak healthy. Last year. Dak really couldn't
Speaker 1: participate in the voluntary workouts. He was here in the building,
Speaker 1: but more rehabbing from the ankle injury. What is that
Speaker 1: in just your estimation in the off season, obviously with
Speaker 1: everything that they're going to have to get into Cupboade, now,
Speaker 1: how big and how effective is that going to be
Speaker 1: for this team in the team building part? I think
Speaker 1: it's huge. I think it's probably the single most important
Speaker 1: thing they could get done this offseason is have Dak
Speaker 1: not worrying about that part of his off season, there's
Speaker 1: not I mean, he's gonna have probably management style things
Speaker 1: to do with his ankle probably the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: but it's not a straight up a month long rehab
Speaker 1: thing that he's dealing with. And Yeah, Schultz talked about that,
Speaker 1: like they've had these captain workouts the last few weeks
Speaker 1: where you can show up and it's it's not supervised
Speaker 1: by coaches. He's just guys out doing um strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning stuff. But guys are getting together on their own
Speaker 1: and throwing. And he said, we've already gotten together with
Speaker 1: guys doing that, uh, way more so than last year
Speaker 1: because of Dak's situation. I think I mean that to me, Um,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the quarterback position and that importance
Speaker 1: to your overall team success, that's the biggest thing they
Speaker 1: can accomplish this offseason in my opinion, And along with
Speaker 1: what Isaia spoke about the camaraderie. We talked to Dante
Speaker 1: Fowler last week. Here's a new guy coming in who
Speaker 1: has met only a few guys, played with a couple
Speaker 1: of guys passing his career, Uh, you know, played for
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, gets to meet everybody. Build that camaraderie. I
Speaker 1: think that is important, even though for the first couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, Um, there's no football involved. You're just you're
Speaker 1: just getting your your lift in, getting your your running
Speaker 1: in Zaya for listen, I want to get to the
Speaker 1: to the bazuka. Um, well, guys, I got about to
Speaker 1: fight the other what what? And I'm telling you, look
Speaker 1: at Slim and Trim. All right, look at Slim and Trim.
Speaker 1: But didn't you say he was gonna come back at
Speaker 1: like two ninety? I didn't say to ninety. I think
Speaker 1: you did yeh eighty because I'm I'm look, I'm a
Speaker 1: go ahead and stack campaign. He is not He's not that.
Speaker 1: He is not that. But how important for a guy
Speaker 1: like this coming off of a monster rookie season and
Speaker 1: just the offseason, the workouts, how pivotal. I mean you
Speaker 1: obviously the years that you've played in physically you probably
Speaker 1: got bigger and bigger and bigger. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you can add on anything for Mica. For Micah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, in his position, how does he you know,
Speaker 1: continue to grow as a player in this offseason? It's huge.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about the physical aspect of the game.
Speaker 1: This this portion of the year is is so crucial
Speaker 1: because of the fact that you have this window of
Speaker 1: time from April until August to put on as much
Speaker 1: mass as you possibly can, because the reality is you
Speaker 1: built up all this muscle. You know, we have Harold Nash,
Speaker 1: who was the head coach here. I had him as
Speaker 1: an assistant strength coach in New England. He's a he's
Speaker 1: a beast. He walks around it like a little swollen
Speaker 1: bowling ball. Okay, and when you're with him, you're gonna
Speaker 1: live some weight. So they have they have a heck
Speaker 1: of a leadership team in regards to that, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity to spend the entire offseason with him,
Speaker 1: right from now until August, so they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get him on a dietitian, with the dietitian, get
Speaker 1: him on the shore, the conditioning program right, be able
Speaker 1: to work with the coaches, see you exactly what the
Speaker 1: game plan is. Once the draft settles in, they'll have
Speaker 1: more of an idea in terms of how they want
Speaker 1: to utilize him. I'm sure they already have that idea.
Speaker 1: But now, once you have the pieces in place, okay,
Speaker 1: we need you more of a linebacker role, or we
Speaker 1: need to put some more masks on you because you're
Speaker 1: gonna have your hand in the ground a little bit
Speaker 1: more than we expected initially depending on what comes unto
Speaker 1: our roster. So it's huge in terms of the time
Speaker 1: span that they get to work with their coaches and
Speaker 1: their leadership, and then in terms of his actual leadership aspect,
Speaker 1: it's huge because now you're not coming in as the rookie.
Speaker 1: Now you're coming in as a guy who had who's
Speaker 1: one of the most impactful players in the league last year.
Speaker 1: But what is that going to do to your psyche?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be are you gonna be big headed?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna come in and take the leadership role? Right?
Speaker 1: What are what role you're gonna really play? Because it's
Speaker 1: easy to get high and mighty when everybody's saying, oh
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, oh bazook, oh, oh my god? Right, does
Speaker 1: that change your approach in an all season because guys
Speaker 1: that are now coming on to the team, they might
Speaker 1: respect your play, but they don't have to respect you
Speaker 1: as a person. So that's gonna be interesting to see
Speaker 1: how he what role he takes on in that regard.
Speaker 1: How do you think it affects him as far as
Speaker 1: dan Quinn now knowing what he has and implementing his system.
Speaker 1: And that's what I kind of was was hearing what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but now taking that leadership role. That's that's
Speaker 1: probably the thing that you're saying is most important in
Speaker 1: this offseason. For Yeah, it was big because you think
Speaker 1: about last year. It was the experiment exact last year
Speaker 1: was an experiment. You know, as you went throughout the season,
Speaker 1: they kept trying things out. Okay, hey, we're gonna trying
Speaker 1: him at linebacker and we're gonna blitz some up in
Speaker 1: this gap. Okay, that worked cool, All right, Now let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and move him outside. We had a defense
Speaker 1: and end that's hurt. Let's put him on the outside.
Speaker 1: Oh crap, he can rush too. Okay, let's right, that's
Speaker 1: going and put him man in a man coverage on
Speaker 1: the running back. Everything was an experiment. Now he knocked
Speaker 1: everything out there out the part it was it was
Speaker 1: he passed every test with flying colors. However, it was
Speaker 1: an experiment. So now you know what he's capable of. Right,
Speaker 1: you put the you put the green dot on him
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. Okay, you put the dot on
Speaker 1: his helmet, not so much too much on him. Okay,
Speaker 1: now you have a whole off season to let him
Speaker 1: grow into that role. You're not trying to force that
Speaker 1: on him. You're not throwing that on him and seeing, Hey,
Speaker 1: if we throw that on him, that might be too
Speaker 1: much for him and we might lose the game in
Speaker 1: the process. Now you know exactly what you have and
Speaker 1: you can build him into that role that you have
Speaker 1: for him. And don't you feel the same way about
Speaker 1: Osa Diggi Zola and yeah, and Chauncey Golson and players
Speaker 1: like that that were contributors, especially Olsa Digi Zoo and
Speaker 1: having that domination that he had the defensive front. How
Speaker 1: pivotal the off season is for players like him. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: m He's a guy I don't know we've talked about
Speaker 1: that much in terms of how much he played, how
Speaker 1: much he contributed. And then because I think Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: comes back mid season and we kind we didn't forget
Speaker 1: about Osa, but he was He was a vital starter
Speaker 1: that first half of the season, and then they get
Speaker 1: a couple of vets back and then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he can take a little bit of a breath here,
Speaker 1: but they're relying on him next season. They're relying on
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golson, Like you said, who, by the way, missed
Speaker 1: all of training camp last year and a couple of
Speaker 1: games into the season and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you got to you gotta hit the ground running
Speaker 1: in the middle of your first regular season that you
Speaker 1: didn't have any training for. So I think this will
Speaker 1: be beneficial for him, And you're right about Mica, like
Speaker 1: you think about how remarkable it was for him. Experiments
Speaker 1: a good word because Week one against Tampa Bay, he's
Speaker 1: covering Gronkowski and Fournette, but he's he's basically in coverage
Speaker 1: the whole time, rushing a little bit. Week two, Tank
Speaker 1: breaks his foot and dan Quinn's like, nah, you're you're
Speaker 1: gonna be an edge rusher for fifty snaps. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was ready for that, but he handled
Speaker 1: it and he became one of the best defensive players
Speaker 1: in the league. So let's just call the experiment our
Speaker 1: test drive. They recognize the kind of vehicle that they have,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna drop the hell out of it come
Speaker 1: on into his second season. But I think that brings me,
Speaker 1: you know to this point, Isaiah, you know the team
Speaker 1: has changed so much over the offseason and lack of
Speaker 1: moves or whatever. Do you think, like you being in
Speaker 1: the locker room and knowing the culture of how guys talk,
Speaker 1: do you think that these guys are saying, man, okay,
Speaker 1: so Hoop's gone, Gregory's gone, all right, we got this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean sore subject with IRS and I know, hey,
Speaker 1: I know who to ask right the hot button question.
Speaker 1: So you know, are these guys talking to saying, man,
Speaker 1: we you know, we need some help around here? Are
Speaker 1: they saying we could work with what we got as
Speaker 1: a competitor, as a as a professional athlete. You're going
Speaker 1: to when you speak on it, okay, when you mentioned
Speaker 1: are they talking about it? When you speak on it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna speak with confidence. You're gonna speak as if
Speaker 1: you know you have the pieces that you need. You're
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and work as we can make
Speaker 1: this thing happen. Okay, if we if we're the reality okay,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in your head, Okay, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: like we slim, yeah right, we're slim at this position
Speaker 1: we change wah, yeah, like we're slim. You know certain positions,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of what those positions are, you're slim. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's the reality. But is that something that you're
Speaker 1: gonna out really talk about. No, right, just like there's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of topics in this world that we
Speaker 1: don't talk about hourly, but you talk about it behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. Right, it's the same thing. You acknowledge the reality. Right.
Speaker 1: But depending on the position that you're in. If you're
Speaker 1: a starter already and you're you're you're already submitted in
Speaker 1: that position, you're not tripment. We're good, We're good to you. Okay.
Speaker 1: If i'm office alignment, I would like a veteran in there.
Speaker 1: But the bets guarden are gone, so we're gonna be
Speaker 1: getting a Rickie in here, most likely at guard. Okay,
Speaker 1: you just recognize that reality and you say, okay, as
Speaker 1: soon as soon as the young man gets in here,
Speaker 1: we got work to do, right, we have we gotta
Speaker 1: we have to get linked up. We gotta have some
Speaker 1: kind of continuity. If you're a young guy, or if
Speaker 1: you're a guy that's a little bit down on the
Speaker 1: depth chart. No, no, don't bring nobody in here. Don't.
Speaker 1: We're actually, okay, guys, worry about it. If you're semi
Speaker 1: right now, you're like, no, please let me have nobody. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like no, So you you want every rep that
Speaker 1: you can get because you recognize I'm on the bubble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sim you better be taking every rep, lifting every weight,
Speaker 1: every special teams beat in in freaking uh bones fossils
Speaker 1: hip pocket because he's gonna be your best friend. And
Speaker 1: you recognize that anybody that they bring in here. I've
Speaker 1: been in that situation all too many times in my career. Right.
Speaker 1: I was a special teams core guy. That was my role.
Speaker 1: I never became a big time receiver, right. The most
Speaker 1: receiver I played was in New England with Moss and
Speaker 1: Welcome and all that stuff. That was the most I played.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I was a special teams dude. Okay,
Speaker 1: I recognized that was my value. Right, So when they
Speaker 1: brought in somebody for a workout, or they brought somebody
Speaker 1: else on the team, I knew where I had to shine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna necessarily outshine somebody at the receiver position.
Speaker 1: My whole career. I was still trying to figure that out, right,
Speaker 1: But in terms of special teams. Oh yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: beating me on special teams, right, So I understood where
Speaker 1: my value was. I understand where my advantage was. And
Speaker 1: those type of players have to figure that out right now.
Speaker 1: If you're in no man's lane or you're you're pe
Speaker 1: Island trying to wait for the next ride to come along,
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna make it because if you're not
Speaker 1: a core guy at the receiver position, if you're not
Speaker 1: a core guy on special team, then where are you? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's the same to be said with defensive backs,
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Not you're a linebacker on this team, you're
Speaker 1: probably on a roster. But that's about it. Talk that talk,
Speaker 1: I said, and this is coming from a fourth round
Speaker 1: draft pick that hey worked his way to a Super
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Speaker 1: are ten days away from the draft and everybody is
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is Jerry going to do?
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Speaker 1: thank you, Chris. I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you
Speaker 1: were trying to tell me. You know what, I don't
Speaker 1: understand unless you say, does that make sense? So? What's
Speaker 1: your what's your college of choice for what? Just like
Speaker 1: like I'm you dub he's A and M Kansas State,
Speaker 1: Ka State, Ka State. Okay, yeah, well can't Okay, they
Speaker 1: got some fast dudes to come out of there and
Speaker 1: lock it t New Barret Brooks, big guy Pittsburgh, still
Speaker 1: Hack Marrison. I mean, come on, throw some names out.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, you claim and m on everything and
Speaker 1: you already know you do. I don't even question this
Speaker 1: man over here about but guys, we have the draft
Speaker 1: coming up and next week, this twenty fourth pick, this
Speaker 1: twenty fourth pick is starting to heat up. When what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna do because they have emptied the
Speaker 1: reserves and so when the question no, but when the
Speaker 1: question was posed last week about what are we going
Speaker 1: to do in the draft, I was the only one
Speaker 1: I'm tooting my horn here that said we would move
Speaker 1: up and Jerry echoed that. Man, Jay say, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a great way to ask that question. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll be in straighting that. We will be interested in that.
Speaker 1: We're moving up, moving on up. We're moving on up,
Speaker 1: George Jefson style. Yeah, man, come on, So I'm telling you, so, guys,
Speaker 1: what do you think? And I want to ask this
Speaker 1: question because I know that at twenty four you are
Speaker 1: thinking offensive linemen. But if you move up in this draft,
Speaker 1: you probably have an opportunity to get some real studs.
Speaker 1: And so what are you giving what position? I mean
Speaker 1: for let's say best if if you get why, don't
Speaker 1: get crazy, No, don't get crazy, say it doesn't want
Speaker 1: a receiver in the first round? Trade up for a receiver?
Speaker 1: Don't do it? Can we couch real quick? Because Jerry,
Speaker 1: he did say it was a general question about your
Speaker 1: draft philosophy. Yes, trade up, trade down, and he did
Speaker 1: specifically mentioned trading up, but he did say also maybe
Speaker 1: somewhere in the first three rounds. He didn't say necessarily
Speaker 1: first round. But it is interesting. It's interesting that that
Speaker 1: he's throwing that out there as a possibility, like, hey,
Speaker 1: my phone's on exactly that's exactly what that was my
Speaker 1: phone's on. You know, yeah, guys, there is a possibility
Speaker 1: that you can go up and really get you a
Speaker 1: stud cornerback. I'm just saying, don't don't do this nerve back.
Speaker 1: There are so many things you could do. You could
Speaker 1: go up and you can go and get you a
Speaker 1: stud left tackle. Yes, okay, I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that these are these are can't miss. These are can't
Speaker 1: miss items. At the top. You can also go up
Speaker 1: get you a stud defensive end. Oh Russian, No, how
Speaker 1: far are you willing to go up? I want to
Speaker 1: go into. If I'm gonna go up, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the top ten. Okay, I'm dancing with You're not gonna
Speaker 1: have none to other picks. So I just had this
Speaker 1: discussion with Dave upstairs, Dave Hellman, and they apparently I
Speaker 1: missed the Draft show. Sorry Kyle, Sorry Dave. This morning
Speaker 1: they talk kind of the same thing. So Chris was there,
Speaker 1: so m if So there's draft charts out there, right,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's not a bible, but it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of a guide on what the point system might
Speaker 1: be if you wanted to move up. So Dave and
Speaker 1: I were just playing around up there. Just now, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to jump from twenty four into the top ten,
Speaker 1: say number nine, okay, according to one draft chart, it
Speaker 1: would cost you well, now, okay, the number nine pick
Speaker 1: would be valued at thirteen hundred and fifty points if
Speaker 1: you jumped from if you gave up your first round
Speaker 1: pick twenty four fifty six or second round pick, and
Speaker 1: your fifth round pick, that wouldn't quite get you there.
Speaker 1: That'd be like eleven hundred points. So you might have
Speaker 1: to dip in a little further into your draft cool
Speaker 1: to do that, but either way, it's going to be
Speaker 1: multiple picks to do something like that. Now, apparently Peter
Speaker 1: King had a story out there that said this draft
Speaker 1: is not as great as past drafts, and so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't require as much equity necessarily to move up as
Speaker 1: past years. But either way, man, for a team that's
Speaker 1: got a lot of needs, you willing to trade multiple picks,
Speaker 1: don't do it. Reconsidering here's a thing who's more desperate
Speaker 1: for a championship at this point, twenty six years of mediocrity.
Speaker 1: You want to make this move. You if you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to shore up your offensive line with a
Speaker 1: stud you would have did it into offseason already, but
Speaker 1: you couldn't. I mean, come on, I mean no, no,
Speaker 1: you would have to pay the price for that on
Speaker 1: an offensive line that you already have big contracts on.
Speaker 1: I think you want this guy to be a rookie,
Speaker 1: you want that paper to be come on, or unless
Speaker 1: you're getting those those B level offensive lineman. He if
Speaker 1: they if the Dallas Cowboys make the decision to trade
Speaker 1: up in the first round, I can see them maybe
Speaker 1: moving up maybe seven eight. I am to say maybe fourteen.
Speaker 1: Believe you being so conservative, nocause you're talking about you're
Speaker 1: talking about trading away your draft equity, which we know
Speaker 1: is necessary this year. It's a necessity this year because
Speaker 1: they have a lot of holes to feel. If you
Speaker 1: were going to make a move, an aggressive move, it
Speaker 1: should have been on a free agent. Fellas. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this though, really, and all the importance that
Speaker 1: we're putting on the draft, how many of those players
Speaker 1: actually come in and contribute the first year? I mean, well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. That's fair. I mean usually you're looking
Speaker 1: at three guys maybe something that really like we just mentioned,
Speaker 1: Osa steps in and obviously the Bazuka. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not your whole draft class. That's why when we talk about, oh,
Speaker 1: they've got four fifth round picks, those guys on playing
Speaker 1: your former teammate Orlando Scandrick was the last fifth round
Speaker 1: pick that really became a starter for this team. But
Speaker 1: on the flip side, I would say, based off of
Speaker 1: your needs, you need your second round pick to be
Speaker 1: a starter, like you don't just need your first round
Speaker 1: pick to hit. You got it. You have to nail
Speaker 1: this draft, and that's why I'm I would be hesitant
Speaker 1: to do that. I hear you though, you got a
Speaker 1: better chance of getting a Jimmy. Yeah I'm listening, but
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you, but I'm not listening. You got a
Speaker 1: better chance of getting too Michael Parsons in the top
Speaker 1: ten than you do it you do or I hear
Speaker 1: you there that guy that's going to contribute immediately and
Speaker 1: right now. The way that this draft is shaping up,
Speaker 1: I have questions all the way through. It stops at
Speaker 1: ten for me. Every other guy after that. I have
Speaker 1: a big question mark on even these offensive linemen. I
Speaker 1: think that all of these offensive linemen, that especially the
Speaker 1: guards that they're talking about, these guys should have a
Speaker 1: second round grade in any other in any other draft,
Speaker 1: because you don't have the number of quarterbacks at the
Speaker 1: top of this draft. Some of these guys would have
Speaker 1: failed completely out of the first round draft. And we're
Speaker 1: talking as far as a grade or pick. There are
Speaker 1: teams that are going to reach significantly on drafts, and
Speaker 1: you talk about teams like the Jets, are other franchises
Speaker 1: that have multiple first round picks. You got some dancing
Speaker 1: partners up there, and I think that's why Jerry said,
Speaker 1: depending on who's on the other line and what deal
Speaker 1: can actually be made, because historically speaking, your draft picks
Speaker 1: haven't been able to go straight off the bus and
Speaker 1: play for you in the last couple of years. You'd
Speaker 1: like to think that they have. So the actual capital
Speaker 1: that you think you're drafting the way is really it's
Speaker 1: going to pay off for you on the return because
Speaker 1: of his immediate ability to play. Right now, Can you
Speaker 1: afford to come out of this draft without having the
Speaker 1: depth that you need going into camp. You're not going
Speaker 1: to get all the depth out of the draft and
Speaker 1: say all of it. I'm not saying all of it,
Speaker 1: but you need to feel some holes you have some
Speaker 1: gaping holes that if you decide to move up in
Speaker 1: the first round, you are not going to be able
Speaker 1: to feel even a lettle but not even not even
Speaker 1: with a Q tip QI ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 1: fill them home. So the the So let's go to
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and let's go to the wide receiver position. Okay,
Speaker 1: wide receiver position, and this is a thin draft and
Speaker 1: wide receiver, yeah, I think so I thought it was
Speaker 1: you thought I'm for me, for the talent, for the talent,
Speaker 1: for a guy that can step in and be that's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Immediate impact guys. I think it's thin.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those guys that you have
Speaker 1: are just developmental guys. You don't have a burner. The
Speaker 1: guy that is a burner is got an ACL So
Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about it, Williams. Right. And so
Speaker 1: if we're if we're saying a guy that I think
Speaker 1: that can come straight off the street and play it
Speaker 1: right now, it's the kid from Arkansas Burke. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a first round draft pick. You know,
Speaker 1: I would say high second if he falls down that far.
Speaker 1: That's that's just my opinion. But offensive line I know
Speaker 1: you need, but I'm thinking that you still can get
Speaker 1: offensive lineman if that's the holes that you're talking about
Speaker 1: feeling in the second and third round. Also, So if
Speaker 1: based on that thinking, would it make more sense to
Speaker 1: trade down them maybe in another round, not out of
Speaker 1: the because for the reasons you just brought up, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm kind of thinking if you're gonna trade, maybe
Speaker 1: you trade down because you could because I'm thinking the
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick deal they made in twenty thirteen. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't have a lot of first
Speaker 1: round grades, if you don't have twenty four first round grades,
Speaker 1: which typically maybe you don't anyway, right, you could trade
Speaker 1: back a few picks if there's a guy you still
Speaker 1: think you could get that you like, pick up an
Speaker 1: extra third whatever. And like I said, I said, you're
Speaker 1: you're creating volume here. And it is a draft where
Speaker 1: there maybe there's not a lot of home run guys
Speaker 1: like you're saying, but it is a deeper draft because
Speaker 1: of COVID, because you guys had an extra year and
Speaker 1: now they're coming into the draft and and maybe this
Speaker 1: is a year where volume of picks works more. That's
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at, more so than than trading up.
Speaker 1: If they had done more in free agency, I'd feel
Speaker 1: better about moving up, honestly. And I think and I
Speaker 1: think the situation is fluid as well, because on draft night,
Speaker 1: if there's a guy that you've been looking at in
Speaker 1: the top ten, I thinking he would be it in
Speaker 1: top ten and he falls completely out because I don't know,
Speaker 1: Detroit goes up and picks a quarterback. Well, that's a
Speaker 1: great point. And that's and maybe that's what Jerry's referring to,
Speaker 1: or maybe in part because he did say first three rounds,
Speaker 1: well maybe generally speaking, but that's what that's what happened
Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb. He just kind of fell to him.
Speaker 1: And maybe he's just talking about being flexible, like if
Speaker 1: a guy falls, like you said, maybe not twenty picks,
Speaker 1: trade up twenty picks, but enough picks where hey, you
Speaker 1: can jump up a little bit and get our guy. Uh,
Speaker 1: maybe that's more realist. So Isaiah, put your jam hat on.
Speaker 1: I always have minds on. All right, we'll put it.
Speaker 1: We'll keep it on tight. Thinking you're at twenty four
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you're saying, look, if one
Speaker 1: of these what are you saying. I'm not put words
Speaker 1: in your mouth. What are you saying? At twenty four?
Speaker 1: I need to feel the guard position number one. First thing,
Speaker 1: First thing, I need to feel the guard. I need
Speaker 1: to protect our most valuable asset. You're not thinking and
Speaker 1: establish our ability to score points, because if you can't
Speaker 1: run the ball, if you can't block, pass, block, this
Speaker 1: offense is yeah, and you and you lit you cut
Speaker 1: your right tackle and you're seeing that Terence Steel. Is
Speaker 1: that your left guard is Connor McGovern. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: at this point, and your right tackle is at least
Speaker 1: competitive and he's dependable. Is he dominant? No? Is he dependable? Yes?
Speaker 1: What position do you have to feel? Left guard? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Absolutely must feel left guard. And I think that that
Speaker 1: should be their number one priority because this team can
Speaker 1: only go as far as as this offense can actually score.
Speaker 1: We know we're in the scoring league now. I don't
Speaker 1: care how well this defense plays. I can't see them
Speaker 1: playing better than they play last year and turns. The
Speaker 1: ability to turn over the ball that was just a
Speaker 1: crazy year, right, So you have to be able to
Speaker 1: score points, and we've seen how ineffective. This team is
Speaker 1: with running the ball with all the issues that we're
Speaker 1: president on the line last year, and if you can't
Speaker 1: rent the ball, I'm sorry. DA's not your man to
Speaker 1: sit back there and sling the thing all over the place.
Speaker 1: He's not so recognize that, identify it. Sorry, Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: don't be mad at me. That's the quarterback that's here.
Speaker 1: He is a baller when you provide him a running game. Well,
Speaker 1: I love playing the Devil's advocate. This is fun because
Speaker 1: I completely I agree with that. But then on the
Speaker 1: other side of it, you have left tackle issues that
Speaker 1: reliability dependability issues, which your left tackle he's aging you.
Speaker 1: You're back in this pickle every year. So if you
Speaker 1: go back to the last season, was the biggest issue.
Speaker 1: Obviously Connor Williams had his issues. He's out of here now,
Speaker 1: but I think it was the durability of your left
Speaker 1: tackle that really came back to bite you. Yeah, Tyrn
Speaker 1: missed six games, Yeah, six games and fifth fifteen, fourteen
Speaker 1: or fifteen the year before, and then there was a
Speaker 1: like a four or five year stretch where even this
Speaker 1: at least three starts. So like your swing tackle, I
Speaker 1: love Tyrn Smith he's gonna go to the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame probably, But your swing tackle has to be prepared
Speaker 1: to start multiple games to your point, and every season
Speaker 1: has to be prepared for it. I think the hardest
Speaker 1: decision that the Cowboys are going to have to make
Speaker 1: in the first round of this draft is making the
Speaker 1: decision either to trade up and grab a left tackle
Speaker 1: or a sure thing at the left guard position. I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the hardest decision they're got to make.
Speaker 1: I feel as if teams don't let left tackles really fall,
Speaker 1: it's just not a thing that happens, okay, but it
Speaker 1: should that present itself. I think that's the only thing
Speaker 1: that will force them to move up. And if they
Speaker 1: decide to go up, they're gonna be faced with that
Speaker 1: shoot guard or tackle. If we draft the tackle, we
Speaker 1: still have that same hole in our office a line.
Speaker 1: So that's why I said, dang it, he can replace
Speaker 1: Tyrant as soon as Tyrant decides to shut it down.
Speaker 1: But we don't want to piss off Tyrant. And at
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, this guy just be sitting
Speaker 1: behind them, adding no value to us, Like you can
Speaker 1: play god guard and start off and yeah, so that
Speaker 1: that's the only situation I can see them moving up
Speaker 1: to grab somebody. They better not doing it for a receiver.
Speaker 1: They better not doing it for a cornerback. They better
Speaker 1: not do it for a defensive end. It better be
Speaker 1: to sure up this line because you cannot be productive offensively.
Speaker 1: I don't care who's your off as a coordinator. All right,
Speaker 1: you can bring marsh back as far as I concern,
Speaker 1: right and you will not move the ball unless you
Speaker 1: can run the ball in this offense. Now, I completely
Speaker 1: agree with what you just said, and I think it's
Speaker 1: left guard as well. But I just feel like the
Speaker 1: grade on those left guards are way too high. I
Speaker 1: think you can get a better left guard in the
Speaker 1: second round and you be okay um, I think even
Speaker 1: at the left at the tackle position. I want to
Speaker 1: see what what ball has I mean, we drafted him.
Speaker 1: We just want to I just want to see. I mean, tyring,
Speaker 1: we still have Ni Seki. I hadn't heard anything about him.
Speaker 1: But I totally agree with you. But guess what. The
Speaker 1: car car values are way too high right now too.
Speaker 1: But if you need a whip, guess what you gotta
Speaker 1: pay it? No, for sure, Yeah, I mean that those hey,
Speaker 1: nothing but facts. But this is not me playing the
Speaker 1: devil's aff here. If I'm going to trade up and
Speaker 1: get someone and this may send you over the over
Speaker 1: the rails here, I'm going to get Jordan Davis from
Speaker 1: from Georgia. I don't get I don't have a I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. And let me just
Speaker 1: be clear about this. But you can't get him. Why
Speaker 1: because you gotta give up your whole draft class to
Speaker 1: get him. What he's been depends on where he falls.
Speaker 1: He trusts mock drafts. He typically has not gone past five, five, fifteen, sixteen. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know he ain't going that far. Not possible. Not
Speaker 1: freaking name the last mammoth athlete that you've seen come
Speaker 1: across this league. Like, I think the way that they're
Speaker 1: putting these draft guys together saying that he's not in
Speaker 1: every down, yeah, thing is yes, two guys. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that's impactful, and I think a lot of draft
Speaker 1: scouts are maybe weighing that. I'm hoping, come on, come on, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: don't give me that look. I'm trying to sell it.
Speaker 1: And I recognize and I love your sever There are
Speaker 1: certain players that come across every generation every year. Whatever
Speaker 1: you want to say that you just you gotta grab him.
Speaker 1: The reason why because he works in every system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he works in every system. There's not one team that's like, ah,
Speaker 1: we don't need that guy, Baltimore. We don't need. We
Speaker 1: don't need a three hundred and forty pound man that
Speaker 1: runs a four to seven. Yea, we don't need that.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I don't know if we've talked
Speaker 1: enough about run defense here, like I because it was improved, Okay,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it was the second most rushing yards
Speaker 1: they've ever allowed in the history of the franchise, so
Speaker 1: it was way better than that. But I want to
Speaker 1: say they gave up one hundred plus yards in like
Speaker 1: thirteen games last year. So I mean it was and
Speaker 1: a ton to San Francisco, And that's the last memory
Speaker 1: you have of this team was not stopping the run,
Speaker 1: not running the ball, and not protecting Dak. So I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with a big defensive tackle coming
Speaker 1: in that can help shore things up. That's the only
Speaker 1: person that I could see them moving up for us
Speaker 1: and let me kind of go back. But the reason
Speaker 1: why I haven't brought him up because I don't think
Speaker 1: it's even tangible to have to have a shot at him. Man,
Speaker 1: I just don't I hear you know. I'm a realist though.
Speaker 1: Every single team, yeah can take him and utilize him immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you trust the mocks, which maybe we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: But but the most practice thing, because I agree with you, guys,
Speaker 1: the most practical thing is, Hey, you sit and you
Speaker 1: wait at twenty four, and there's a guard that falls
Speaker 1: to you at twenty four that you feel great about
Speaker 1: and plugs probably the most glaring immediate hole that you
Speaker 1: have on your team. That's that's the most practical thing
Speaker 1: to me. Twenty four it's fun to talk about moving around.
Speaker 1: Twenty four is just that great area in the first
Speaker 1: round that you just don't know what you're getting. I
Speaker 1: know we've got some quality at twenty four before Davis
Speaker 1: was twenty four, but we want we have to get
Speaker 1: a guy, I mean this guy, especially where we are
Speaker 1: with our depth and the depth chart isn't looking good
Speaker 1: in a lot of areas when you go through it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, you're one hundred percent right. Twenty four okay,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, twenty eight or so was Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: You hit on Byron Jones twenty seven was Taco Charlton, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't. It's not it's not an exact science. In
Speaker 1: the late first round. I mean, those top ten picks
Speaker 1: are great because you kind of know you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a stud. You don't necessarily know how it's going to
Speaker 1: pan out, you know. Yeah, I'm not gonna say Jordan Davis.
Speaker 1: Yeah he'll be. He'll probably be in New York. As
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this list, you know, And I do
Speaker 1: everything I've been, I do everything not to have him
Speaker 1: be end up in New York. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see him in New York. I don't want to see
Speaker 1: him in Philly. He's gonna be there. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see him as a commander. And there are a
Speaker 1: lot of places he would work in Philly, right up
Speaker 1: the college. Yes, that's that's the kind of player they need.
Speaker 1: But he is the kind of player that we need
Speaker 1: in the narrative have changed from the twenty twenty season
Speaker 1: when we were saying all we need is the middle
Speaker 1: of the world defense. Well they were eleventh and they
Speaker 1: you saw it with that got us. We still couldn't
Speaker 1: stop anyone. What you said, thirteen games with more than
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, we couldn't protect that. I mean that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's they were. It was a good defense.
Speaker 1: It was they were vastly improved. And but the biggest
Speaker 1: thing they did well was they turned the ball over.
Speaker 1: They turned you over. You know, there's the run game,
Speaker 1: big plays in the past game. Those things can still improve,
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm sure dan Quinn would agree with that.
Speaker 1: Like Drake says, I want that stuff to have him
Speaker 1: and but I don't think it's gonna happen. But what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do is tr take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back because I got a guy that we want
Speaker 1: to talk about. His name is TP. Coming up next
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Speaker 1: P with the double B Maverick two coming out there.
Speaker 1: It is top Gun two, sorry Maverick. So guys, yes,
Speaker 1: talk about a top gun and Tony Pollard TP and
Speaker 1: I labeled this in the production outline lineup as the
Speaker 1: Curious Case of Tony Pollard. And the reason I say that, guys,
Speaker 1: is that he is the one guy fan favorite, by
Speaker 1: the way, and it's just growing the momentum of love
Speaker 1: from Cowboy nation that he could be your RB one
Speaker 1: if you look at it. And even PF, and I
Speaker 1: call PF because I want to win the argument says
Speaker 1: that he is the highest rated running back. Guys. Do
Speaker 1: you see the Dallas Cowboys using Tony Pollard's strengths more
Speaker 1: in this season and given Ezekiel Elliott more of a
Speaker 1: what do you call that, not off days but a
Speaker 1: little bit more rest. Do you see that starting to
Speaker 1: happen here in Dallas with Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: I think at this point I've got to see it
Speaker 1: to believe it. Yeah, I mean we say this every
Speaker 1: year about Tony, like he looks like he could do more,
Speaker 1: and then he plays thirty percent of the snaps something
Speaker 1: like that, and he was really good in his role,
Speaker 1: and he had a couple of games where he was
Speaker 1: banged up too. But I think as long as Zeke
Speaker 1: is here, I think Zeke's the primary guy, and I
Speaker 1: think I think one thing I will say is, you know,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talked about in training camp last year of
Speaker 1: getting more of a split to preserve Zeke for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Load management, load management, basically NBA style. And there was
Speaker 1: a stretch there where the run game was awesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were getting one hundred and fifty yards a game
Speaker 1: we the first month of the season, more or less,
Speaker 1: and Zeke's carries were seventy four and Tony's were fifty eight,
Speaker 1: and it was that damn near getting close to a
Speaker 1: fifty fifty split, and maybe that's what they were trying
Speaker 1: to do. And then and then Zeke gets banged up
Speaker 1: and the production just wasn't the same and the offensive
Speaker 1: line didn't play as well, and they're just you know,
Speaker 1: it just didn't It just didn't click. But I personally,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they played Zeke as much as they
Speaker 1: did in certain stretches when he clearly looked like he
Speaker 1: was struggling with that need that he was dealing with.
Speaker 1: And he's a warrior and he doesn't want to come
Speaker 1: out and I respect the hell out of him for that,
Speaker 1: but I was a little surprised there wasn't more Tony
Speaker 1: in certain spots last year. To answer your question, it's no,
Speaker 1: it's no. It's a no for me. Reason being, there
Speaker 1: are elements to a TP's game that are undeveloped yet
Speaker 1: that he hopefully and I'm sure he's working on it
Speaker 1: this offseason. You can't afford to take Zeke out of
Speaker 1: the game for and those areas I'm speaking to his
Speaker 1: pass pass blocking. People look at Zeke and say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's lost a step, or oh, he's not as explosive
Speaker 1: as he used to be. Here, Oh he's not pulling
Speaker 1: away from people like he used to be. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's keeping people off of your number one back, and
Speaker 1: that is Dak Prescott. And there is no replacing a
Speaker 1: running back who can pass block Maurice Jones. Drew's one
Speaker 1: of the unsung heroes in the NFL's history simply because,
Speaker 1: if not simply because in fact he was a great
Speaker 1: running back, but because of the fact he was able
Speaker 1: to pass block, he kept people off his quarterbacks back
Speaker 1: and that is the same thing that Zeke does. He
Speaker 1: gets all the paychecks because of his abilities to play
Speaker 1: an encompassing game in terms of being able to run
Speaker 1: the ball, in terms of being on a catch the
Speaker 1: ball at the backfield and be able to block. He
Speaker 1: is a part of the protection. So when you have
Speaker 1: off as a coordinator named Kellen Moore who likes to
Speaker 1: throw the ball around more than he likes to run
Speaker 1: the ball, you can't afford to take the running back
Speaker 1: off the field. Who's able to be that sixth man
Speaker 1: on the line, the six man up front to hold
Speaker 1: the guys off of your quarterback when you put TP
Speaker 1: up there. That's not to say that he's unable or
Speaker 1: uncapable of or incapable of actually, you know, doing a
Speaker 1: good job at the pass blocking position. To roles, he's
Speaker 1: nowhere near as effective as Zeke. So if you have
Speaker 1: a tendency to put TP out there, teams are like,
Speaker 1: who's back there, Okay, we could bring some pressure, Versus
Speaker 1: if you put Zeke back there, it's like we could
Speaker 1: send somebody, but he ain't gonna get to him because
Speaker 1: Zeke's gonna pick him up. That's the mentality, that's the
Speaker 1: element of the game that most fans don't identify and
Speaker 1: don't recognize that going to the decision making in terms
Speaker 1: of how much playing time these guys get. Running game
Speaker 1: was ineffective. You have to pass more. If I have
Speaker 1: to pass more, that means we have to protect more.
Speaker 1: That means that we need Zeke in the game. Now,
Speaker 1: didn't you see at certain points in the season that
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard just added an extra dimension to your running game?
Speaker 1: This undeniable. Sure, some of the things that he does,
Speaker 1: I mean, just his quick twitch ability from the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Even being able to use him in pass coverage. Now,
Speaker 1: that's where I was really shocked that he wasn't used
Speaker 1: as much in the past in the passing game. You know,
Speaker 1: I think last year three hundred and thirty seven yards receiving.
Speaker 1: That's not a whole lot. I mean though, right, because
Speaker 1: when he's in the backfield, they're gonna bring pressure so
Speaker 1: he can't get out. He can't get out into his route.
Speaker 1: Because as soon as you see him in the backfield,
Speaker 1: if it's a passing down and you see those guys
Speaker 1: going to a pass, I'm sending somebody. I'm sending somebody.
Speaker 1: There's a thing called a green dog, right, so you're
Speaker 1: familiar with familiar with, Okay, most fans maybe not. Green
Speaker 1: dog means that as soon as I see these guys
Speaker 1: pass black, as soon as I see everybody consumer, I'm
Speaker 1: sending a guy, even though that wasn't my initial planity
Speaker 1: your initial as a linebacker, initially you weren't called to blitz.
Speaker 1: But if you see that guy even sit back there
Speaker 1: and it's a pass, go why Because I'm confident that
Speaker 1: you can run through that running backs chess or get
Speaker 1: around him or whatever. Throw him out the club like
Speaker 1: Jazz Jeff on fresh press and get to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: If Zeke is back there, I'm not making that same call.
Speaker 1: But how much does that have to do with scheme though?
Speaker 1: I mean as far as how you're gonna use Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and I'm on it, and I said this on
Speaker 1: the last week's show about using him like Deebo Samuel's
Speaker 1: and I'm the same schematics as far as height, weight,
Speaker 1: all of those things. The way that the league is going,
Speaker 1: you're running back your receivers are gonna have to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. We saw how they use
Speaker 1: CD Lambs sometimes as a running back as well. You
Speaker 1: want to have the explosion, explosion and diversity in your
Speaker 1: offense to be able to use your guys like that.
Speaker 1: When you talk about Zeke, you're really talking about Zeke
Speaker 1: as an extra offensive lineman instead of running back. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but there's so many we know
Speaker 1: I healthy Zeke the ball, of course, we know it.
Speaker 1: Healthy ze can catch the ball and out the backfield.
Speaker 1: We also know a healthy Zeke can keep guys off
Speaker 1: a deck. That's the that's the trifecta. That's the reason
Speaker 1: why he gets paid when he plays all That's why
Speaker 1: he plays all the snaps. We can't say that about
Speaker 1: TP yet. Right, TP, he catched the ball out the backfield,
Speaker 1: he could run the ball very effectively, in explosive right
Speaker 1: the element the wild factor, But the blocking hasn't came yet,
Speaker 1: so you can't rely on him the same way you
Speaker 1: can rely on Zeke. Now, if TP added that element
Speaker 1: to his game, if somehow someway he all of a
Speaker 1: sudden became a dominant pass blocker, then as a conversation,
Speaker 1: then it's conversation. But as long as that third element
Speaker 1: is missing, you can't take you can't afford to take
Speaker 1: Zeke out the field from majority of the game. He's
Speaker 1: been great in his role as a change of pace.
Speaker 1: To your point, heck, and I will say there's been
Speaker 1: times where he's been asked to carry the load when
Speaker 1: Zeke's been out or banged up, and it's been tough
Speaker 1: sledding for him too. I mean, sometimes when you got
Speaker 1: that package of plays as a change of pace, it's easier.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like, I think we could stand
Speaker 1: to see more of Tony Pollard. And I wonder, like
Speaker 1: you got me thinking about you know, Zeke's can almost
Speaker 1: serve as like an extra linement. What about two back
Speaker 1: sets where you see both guys more. I got curious
Speaker 1: and I looked it up. That was only two percent
Speaker 1: of the time they went to twenty one personnel last year.
Speaker 1: There's twenty six snaps according to Sharp Football Stats. And
Speaker 1: of course you know three wide receiver sets eleven perconnel
Speaker 1: they're going that's two thirds of the time twelve personnel
Speaker 1: about twenty five percent of the time. They don't do
Speaker 1: it very much, but they do play off each other
Speaker 1: very well, Zeke and Tony, and you could think maybe
Speaker 1: you could you could use more of that if you're
Speaker 1: Kelling Moore. Yeah, And I think about the off the
Speaker 1: front office. They really have their hand in the lion's
Speaker 1: mouth right now, because with Zeke's contract, it's impossible to
Speaker 1: get out of this season. So obviously he's gonna be there.
Speaker 1: And when I talk about Tony Pollard and him playing,
Speaker 1: he's going to be at the negotiation table here after
Speaker 1: this season. So you're gonna have to make a decision
Speaker 1: at the running back position. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and also Trey Vun Diggs, you're going to
Speaker 1: have to start thinking about those big contracts that are
Speaker 1: coming down as well. And David Hellman wrote a awesome
Speaker 1: article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about this matter. But
Speaker 1: I just feel as though when you look at it's
Speaker 1: from an organizational standpoint, you're gonna have to relieve some
Speaker 1: of that pressure from even a salary standpoint. And we've
Speaker 1: seen the way that this organization functions when you press
Speaker 1: him on salary. And that's why I think that Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: you have to try and see what he has in
Speaker 1: those said try affect us to see how you can
Speaker 1: use this guy in the future. You have to be
Speaker 1: thinking of the future if you're the Cowboys at the
Speaker 1: running position. Running back position, that's right, he's a free
Speaker 1: agent after next season, everybody thinks ze Zeke's salary is
Speaker 1: gonna be not palatable after one more season. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's interesting how they could look in a
Speaker 1: year from now. But when in an offseason where you
Speaker 1: lose Amari Cooper and yeah, you're probably going to go
Speaker 1: in the draft and find your receiver to help, we're
Speaker 1: talking about holes in depth and trying to replace production.
Speaker 1: It sure seems like an opportunity to try to get
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard more involved, even if and if it's not
Speaker 1: an every down thing like you said, because you're right,
Speaker 1: like Zeke's Zeke's pass protection, that might have been the
Speaker 1: thing people talked about the most last year because he
Speaker 1: was banged up, He was not himself, He wasn't as productive.
Speaker 1: He still he still had impact, but he was still
Speaker 1: I mean some of his highlights best highlights were just
Speaker 1: decleting guys and giving Dak an extra second. Yeah, doing
Speaker 1: what you can do, and we saw that. But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just saying for Tony Poller, this is with all
Speaker 1: of the love that he gets and all of the
Speaker 1: potential that he has to be explosive in this offense,
Speaker 1: you would think that this season, especially with the gaping
Speaker 1: holes that you assume that you have at the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position that you can scheme for him. You know
Speaker 1: that two back set that you're talking about split backs. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do that if you have a solid offensive line.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot, and I think and they had
Speaker 1: a silent offensive they do. And and debos different too,
Speaker 1: debos debos built like him tight end. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't call you debo if you're skinny, so like it's
Speaker 1: piece like. So I think he's six foot just two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, just maybe over two hundred two twelve. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying most of them, the guys who were
Speaker 1: coming coming to hit him or what, they're coming from
Speaker 1: five yards depth at least free all right, If he
Speaker 1: say he's five yards in the backfield right there, they're
Speaker 1: three yards on the balls. So they're coming eight yards
Speaker 1: downhill and they're weighing what two thirty two fifty at
Speaker 1: least at least And this is all thirty twos, This
Speaker 1: is all thirty two teams are dealing with this. And
Speaker 1: the thing that I think the Cowboys have to find
Speaker 1: is another explosive weapons with what they lost. And that's
Speaker 1: why I point to him being that missing will and
Speaker 1: maybe that's what everyone else isn't thinking about that they
Speaker 1: have plans for Tony Pollitt in the future and with
Speaker 1: everything else that's coming down the line with I don't know.
Speaker 1: With with these contracts man, it's things are about to
Speaker 1: get sticky him. He is on oad on how they
Speaker 1: how they maneuver with it. I mean, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at the future. Dog got me. There's some bl land
Speaker 1: minds up ahead. But guy, if he if he has
Speaker 1: a big year, it could be like Jalen Brunson last night.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if we could pay his
Speaker 1: next contract fast enough. Poor MAVs man, I don't be
Speaker 1: a tough I don't know if you sign him. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you got well, I know you are
Speaker 1: people like the NBA Playoffs is just off the chain
Speaker 1: right now in the Mavericks. That game last night was incredible,
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