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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot com. John Schmulk pulled a

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Speaker 1: Download the Coors Light rewards after an amazing Giants Prizes. Well,

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Speaker 1: it is twelve oh one, and that means the legal

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Speaker 1: negotiation period has begun, Paul. For NFL teams dealing with

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Speaker 1: free agency. Free agency itself begins at four UM. Teams

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Speaker 1: now can negotiate with players and come to terms on agreements,

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Speaker 1: but nothing can be official until four o'clock on Wednesday. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, John, when I was on w f A

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Speaker 1: and over over the weekend and Richard near had asked

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Speaker 1: me about some of the business of how this is

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Speaker 1: working out, I wanted to explain to the fans there,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I could probably do it here as well.

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Speaker 1: The league calendar doesn't start until four Wednesday, as you

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Speaker 1: said for the two thousand nineteen season. That means anything

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Speaker 1: that's happened over the course of the last week, okay,

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Speaker 1: does not officially get filed paperwork wise with the league

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Speaker 1: until Wednesday. Therefore, any trade you've heard about, whether it

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Speaker 1: be something that involved the Giants or did not. For example,

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Speaker 1: the Antonio Brown deal with the Steelers, he's not technically

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Speaker 1: a Raider. Same thing with the case Keenum trade that

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco trades. None of these trades are official because

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Speaker 1: what has to happen, Well, players have to take physicals.

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Speaker 1: That's something that's part of the league business. Because until

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Speaker 1: a guy passes a medical with the team he's going

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Speaker 1: to go to that team can vetoe it and say well,

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Speaker 1: we had a handshake, we had a verbal, but the

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Speaker 1: gentleman didn't pass his physical. He's damaged goods. So they

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Speaker 1: go to the league and say we're not going to

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Speaker 1: do the trade because he's not fit to play. That

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Speaker 1: can happen. There are two exceptions to that rule. One,

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Speaker 1: teams can release players prior to the league the year

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Speaker 1: beginning of and those released players can sign official contracts

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Speaker 1: with teams before Wednesday at four So for example, Eric Wettele,

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Speaker 1: who was cut by the Ravens, he could legally on

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Speaker 1: that's we got two exceptions to the rule. That's because

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Speaker 1: after the player is signed, he's no longer anybody's property, correct,

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Speaker 1: that's why. But anyone who is somebody's property cannot shift

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Speaker 1: why all of this nomenclature issue, which I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people get confused about. They're like, well, wasn't

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Speaker 1: the guy traded already? Well, he kind of was, but

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Speaker 1: you gotta wait until the league year opens up. And

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Speaker 1: there's a reason you haven't seen any quotes from John

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Speaker 1: case keenom is because league personnel are not allowed to

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Speaker 1: comment on these trades until they're official, which you'll see

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Speaker 1: over the course of the show. If you want to

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Speaker 1: want to warn you ahead of time. Legal issues, folks.

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Speaker 1: Legal issues has nothing to do with preference, has to

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Speaker 1: do with legal Emails from the NFL have bencent and

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Speaker 1: we'll leave it at that. To On three, we joined

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Speaker 1: by Kentley Platt, who does those r a S scores.

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Speaker 1: We were gonna have him on on Friday, but then

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Speaker 1: when the news that came down, we pushed him to Monday.

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Speaker 1: He was kind enough to reschedule with us, and he

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Speaker 1: I guess overall, will get one quick comment about free

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen better, but I think, as usual,

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Speaker 1: That's just a hunch, and you know, again, whether or

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Speaker 1: times and Dave Getleman this edit. They use free agency

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Speaker 1: to your calls man start screening him in about fifteen

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Speaker 1: and that is Kent Lee Platt. You can find them

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at math bomb. He is the I Guess

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Speaker 1: of all time, and long behold, he became a New

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Speaker 1: York giant. Kent, thanks for joining us again this year.

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Speaker 1: You got John Schmilk and Paul to Tino. How are

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Speaker 1: you today, great man? Glad to be absolutely Thanks for

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Speaker 1: craziness of the NFL that that hit us on Friday. UM,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this first. Why don't you give fans

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Speaker 1: to take a look for themselves. Yeah. Relative Athletics Scores

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Speaker 1: Relative Athletic Scores dot com, where you can find a

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Speaker 1: your scores. And the more and more time I spent

432
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Speaker 1: inside this building, and around NFL teams. The NFL, to me,

433
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Speaker 1: is is a change of direction league. That's how you

434
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Speaker 1: make people mis tackles, that's how you create separation, and

435
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Speaker 1: that's how you win. In the NFL. You win with quickness.

436
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Speaker 1: You don't wrong straight ahead speed. Do you find now

437
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Speaker 1: with your metrics that the shuttle, the three cone, those

438
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Speaker 1: change of direction drills have a bigger predictive ability than

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Speaker 1: the straight ahead speed or even the explosive jumping skills. Yeah,

440
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Speaker 1: they can. And I know the three cone especially is

441
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Speaker 1: considered one of the most important metrics by almost every

442
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Speaker 1: team in the NFL. The Patriots famously favor of that metric,

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Speaker 1: and all the teams that have gotten coaches that came

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Speaker 1: off of the Patriots, you know, my Lions, the the Texans,

445
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, those guys have all kind of followed sue,

446
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: where the three cone is really that big one even

447
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Speaker 1: outside of the pass rusher, where we already already know

448
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Speaker 1: that it has a lot of importance. But when it

449
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Speaker 1: comes to offensive lineman I mentioned the shuttle is an

450
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: important one. The cone goes right hand in hand with that.

451
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Speaker 1: Can you move when you're in space? Um? Outside of

452
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Speaker 1: that It really depends on the position. You know, corner cornerbacks,

453
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Speaker 1: you want to be more explosive than agile. But if

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Speaker 1: they're explosive and really bad in the agility drills, that's

455
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: usually a concern. UM for a lot of a lot

456
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Speaker 1: of teams is just you know, are they are they

457
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Speaker 1: at least not bad and and that's what you're really

458
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Speaker 1: gonna find is it's it's more whether or not it's

459
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Speaker 1: a liability than whether or not it's a strength. Um.

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Speaker 1: The same thing with wide receiver. If you have a

461
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Speaker 1: big receiver, they better be explosive. The agility drills don't

462
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Speaker 1: really matter as much. But if you have a small

463
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Speaker 1: receive eiver, they better be quick, they better have good

464
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Speaker 1: change of direction skills. You know, those are the ones

465
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Speaker 1: that tend to really be telling at those positions. Um,

466
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Speaker 1: it's kind of just flipped. If you're a bigger guy,

467
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Speaker 1: explosion matters, agility doesn't as much. If you're a smaller guy,

468
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Speaker 1: agility matters, explosion doesn't matter as much. Last question for me.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about the edge rushers, we've talked about the

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles and the safeties. Giants also need help at

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Speaker 1: the other level. Of defense, which is linebacker, whether or

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Speaker 1: not it turns out to be an edge guy or

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Speaker 1: maybe even somebody on the inside who knows. Uh. There's

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Speaker 1: been some debate as to the l s U guy

475
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Speaker 1: or the Michigan guy. Uh, that'd be White or or

476
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Speaker 1: or Bush Bush who should be the guy to go first?

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Speaker 1: What does your numbers say? Yeah, they didn't do a

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Speaker 1: whole lot to separate themselves. I was kind of hoping

479
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Speaker 1: that one of them would pull ahead and then I'd

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Speaker 1: be able to say, oh, Yeph, clearly we have we

481
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Speaker 1: have a front runner. But Devin Devin White from LSU

482
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Speaker 1: ended up with a nine point three three out of ten,

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Speaker 1: and then Devin Bush ended up with a nine point

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Speaker 1: three two, so almost exactly the thing for UM. I

485
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Speaker 1: was hoping that there'd be a bigger gap there so

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Speaker 1: it would be easier. But I guess if you're if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for a gap, there's a point zero one

488
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Speaker 1: difference between the two, so you've got to give the

489
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Speaker 1: edge to White. Finally, the last one for me Ken

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Speaker 1: and then they I'll have a follow up on on

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Speaker 1: last year's class real quick. Anybody that you saw at

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Speaker 1: the combine with the R A. S. Score at any

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Speaker 1: position maybe wide receiver for example, or anywhere else you're

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Speaker 1: looking at where you look at the score, and teams

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Speaker 1: should just run for the hills and say I'm not

496
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Speaker 1: touching this guy. Um. Yeah, and a tight end, So

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Speaker 1: tight end tight end is another position where you've got

498
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Speaker 1: to have those elite athletes right. Elite athleticism is a

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Speaker 1: huge deal at the tight end position more so than

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Speaker 1: any other position. Uh. And and two guys that really

501
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Speaker 1: did did a lot of damage to their stock where

502
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Speaker 1: Isaac Nowda from Georgia and Caden Smith out of Stanford.

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Speaker 1: Both of those guys ran in the four nine range.

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Speaker 1: None of their none of their metrics panned out how

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Speaker 1: they want into. So those are the two guys that

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Speaker 1: probably hurt themselves the most of the combine. Where did

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Speaker 1: DK metcalf Land Because we know about the jumps and

508
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: straight ahead, but then his agility drills were awful, So

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Speaker 1: how did how did you end the balance? And those out?

510
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Speaker 1: So he he at one point he was contending with

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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson to have the highest score ever at wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: So I told you before that all these scores get

513
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Speaker 1: compiled into an average and then you get the score

514
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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson had one of those averages that was just

515
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Speaker 1: never gonna get touched, right. He his average was like

516
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Speaker 1: a nine point seven or some ridiculous number. I didn't

517
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Speaker 1: expect anybody was ever going to come anywhere near it.

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Speaker 1: And there was a chance that dk Metcalf could have

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Speaker 1: contended with that number getting getting higher than Calvin Johnson's

520
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Speaker 1: almost the perfect rask or just the average behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: he had a chance of beating it. But then he

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Speaker 1: did his agility drills and dropped. I think I think

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Speaker 1: his final one was a nine point five too, so

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Speaker 1: he dropped the quite a bit from back from those

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Speaker 1: horrible agility drills. Absolutely. Um, all right, Ken't we really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um, thanks so much for the time. It's

527
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Speaker 1: always good stuff from you. And maybe once once we

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Speaker 1: get figured out who's on the Giants, we'll have you

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Speaker 1: on and we'll kind of go through some of their

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Speaker 1: athletic numbers. All right, Thank you greatly appreciate it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Ken Lee Platt does the relative athletic scores.

532
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Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at math bomb. Does

533
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Speaker 1: a fantastic job kind of a look inside some of

534
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Speaker 1: the numbers at the combine. I think we have one

535
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Speaker 1: official piece of news, Paul, that just popped up from

536
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Yea from the Eagles official side, right, So

537
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Speaker 1: just make sure that is an official item so we

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Speaker 1: don't get it ourselves into any legal trouble. Brought back

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Speaker 1: Jason Peters, signing him to a one year contract for

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Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen seasons. Had some injury trouble over

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Speaker 1: the years, but a multiple time All Pro and one

542
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: of the better left tackles in the league. Oh and

543
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: a big one. Nick Foles has signed the contract. Paul,

544
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Speaker 1: I didn't see it. He's gonna rep Loue Lemon. It's signed,

545
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Speaker 1: putting on his Twitter feed. It's a sponsorship. Best with you, okay,

546
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: wise guy? All excited too. Five one three to five

547
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Speaker 1: one three. Let's go to antonium in and he'll leave

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Speaker 1: us off. It's all presented by cours Light. Download the

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Speaker 1: cours Light Awards. After an amazing Giants prizes Antonio, what's up? Hey,

550
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: what's going guys? Everything going with you? Guys? What's up? Man?

551
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: So just wanted to kind of touch base on the draft. Um,

552
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: it's the Giants. Don't go quarterback on the first round.

553
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Speaker 1: I would love for them to take a flyer on

554
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: a guy from my school. Um, I would love to

555
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: have Harry Jackson on the Giants, and hopefully they keep

556
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Speaker 1: get him the third round. Antonio, I'll be honest with you,

557
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Speaker 1: I would not pick him in the third round in

558
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Speaker 1: a million years. He is so raw. It's gonna take

559
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: him years to get ready to play NFL football. Years.

560
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: I mean, but why do you think that it's just accuracy.

561
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that it's just accuracy, that's kind of important. Dude,

562
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: It's only the most important thing at quarterback. I mean,

563
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta worry about mechanics, you gotta worry

564
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: about level of comp There's a lot of stuff involved. Now. Look,

565
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: I've seen the guy do interviews. In fact that we

566
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: saw him at the combo. He's like a great kid.

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00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: It seems like a really good kid. And I'm gonna

568
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I'm gonna root for him. I

569
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Speaker 1: am definitely going to root for him that he makes

570
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Speaker 1: a fifty three and that's someday he gets an opportunity

571
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: to play too. So I'm not gonna down be down

572
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: on the guy. But if you're thinking about the Giant situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't see the fit well again, and and Antonio,

574
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Speaker 1: if if he's sitting there with one of the Giants

575
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round picks, we can have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not picking him in the third round. I just

577
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Speaker 1: can't think you think he's gonna be in the bottom

578
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Speaker 1: of the draft day two pick. I do not think

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Speaker 1: he will be a day two pick. Now, maybe maybe

580
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: somebody will get desperate into it. To me, based on

581
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: his body of work in college, he is not a

582
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: day two picking. He's a day three pick. I agree

583
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Speaker 1: with John, and quite honestly, I might just try him

584
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Speaker 1: at edge rusher of the I don't. I don't think

585
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: he's quite that good of an athlete. No, no, no,

586
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Speaker 1: not that that good with the foot speed, but my goodness,

587
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Speaker 1: he's got a lot of other measurables. That's he's a

588
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Speaker 1: he's a big boy. He's a big boy. At what

589
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: price would you guys bring back Land in college in

590
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: terms of long term deal or in terms of a

591
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Speaker 1: short term, one year type of situation. I'm sorry, he's

592
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna want to learn term. He's he's he's a young guy.

593
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Speaker 1: So what at what price would you guys here here

594
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: here's the situation. You have to know what the market

595
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Speaker 1: value is going to be of the position, and that

596
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Speaker 1: price tag has not been established yet. What we know

597
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: is that there is a laundry list of veteran proven

598
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: safety is available on the market. Until those price tags

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Speaker 1: become uh not become what am I looking for become known.

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Speaker 1: Until those price tags are known, you don't know what

601
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Speaker 1: the market is. Once the markets establish, Now you can say, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what it's gonna cost us to get a

603
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: guy who can adequately play the position. Now before the

604
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: tagging days that expired, the Giants are looking at if

605
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Speaker 1: they tagged them, it was gonna be eleven point two.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that Dave Gilman wants to spend eleven

607
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Speaker 1: point to a year on the position. I think that's

608
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: that's a very logical assumption based on what you have

609
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Speaker 1: seen to date, and so you know, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know that Landon Collins wants less than that a year,

611
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: but those things are kind of unknown right now. I

612
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: just don't see that. My guess is that the Giants

613
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Speaker 1: will wind up signing a free safety in all likelihood

614
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Speaker 1: in free agency, who will be considerably less than that

615
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Speaker 1: price tag who it is. I can't be sure. It

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Speaker 1: could it be Honey Badger, Sure it could be, but

617
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. I'm just looking at the position

618
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: and um and safety is more mostly a a extra

619
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Speaker 1: linebacker nowadays because you're not you're playing that cover one

620
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: high safety right so, and just looking around, there isn't

621
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Speaker 1: many strong and safeties with good past numbers out there,

622
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: like you know, passive reflected or interceptions. So I was

623
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: just like, man, you know what we just had. We

624
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: probably had the best strong safety in the game. But

625
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: no one's disputing that. I remember to Antonio, it isn't

626
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Speaker 1: that It isn't about those raw numbers either. As the

627
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: strong safety, you have to cover tight ends man on

628
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: man a lot. That's the challenge of the strong safety.

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Speaker 1: You're in the box. But once you get in the

630
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: box and the team passes you a man on man responsibility.

631
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: So that's the challenge of finding the right strong safety,

632
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: a guy that can support against the run but then

633
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: also cover a tight end man on man. You know

634
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: it's clear, and then what do you guys think is

635
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: the is a good strong safety out there? Even if

636
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: he signed, who's a good strong safety? That's good man cover.

637
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I think you're missing the point. I think what the

638
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Giants are gonna do when they sign a safety in

639
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: free agency. I suspect it's probably going to be a

640
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: free safety because it goes back to what you said

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00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: a couple of moments ago, and it goes back to

642
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: what John and I said last week. The strong safety

643
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Speaker 1: is basically he's gonna play Cover two or he's gonna

644
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: come down into the box. He's kind of got two

645
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: responsibilities in today's game. But because of the past happy

646
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: league that this has evolved into the free safety. He

647
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: could wind up playing UH one, man high. He could

648
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: wind up playing some type of cover three. He could

649
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: wind up playing man to man on the tight end.

650
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: He could wind up playing man to man on the slot.

651
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: He has so many more responsibilities. The free safety is

652
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: more versatile and therefore more valuable than the strong safety is.

653
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: So I think if the Giants are gonna spend whatever

654
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: number that they're gonna spend on a veteran free safety,

655
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I suspect that's gonna be a free Would you agree, John? Yes? Well, yeah,

656
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: And I think free safeties are much more difficult to

657
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: find because of the at you know, cover the whole

658
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: field in that single high type of scenario. That's the

659
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: type of skill set that I think people are looking for.

660
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: As to your question, Um, I think Adrian Amos is

661
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: a good player. I think he's I think he's a

662
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: good player. And again, I think the point is you

663
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: gotta try to find and I'll go back to what

664
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: I used last week, the production per dollar. You want

665
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: to find somebody that maybe you don't have to make

666
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: the highest paid safety in the league, but you're gonna

667
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: get above average production from that player. And I think

668
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna be looking for. All Right, Thank

669
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: you guys, and I thank you for the game, my goal.

670
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: Thank you Tony. I appreciate it. Let's go to bashing

671
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Ohio Man online too. We'll take him next. What's up,

672
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Bashi Bash? What's up? Yeah? I sn't want to call

673
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about the draft as far and I

674
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: know it's allowed to talk as far as speculations just

675
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: for us the quarter quarterback position, as far as Rod speculations,

676
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: far as trash, and as far as trades and Dwayne Haskins.

677
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: But I found a call as far as that trade,

678
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: as far as the second rounds for as our second

679
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: rounder for Rosen if Rosen was question was Rosen within

680
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: this draft, where would he rank as far as the

681
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this thing? And would that be a better

682
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: option to get trade Rosen with the second round pick.

683
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: I've going with the Wayne Askin as far as with

684
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: the sixth overall tickets for the seculations. Now the second

685
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: question after that, yes, no problems, Uh, will let you finish.

686
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: Paul and I talked to a bunch of people at

687
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: the Combine about this, and the consensus seems to be

688
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: that Haskins and Murray would rank fourth and fifth amongst

689
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: last year's class. You think that's fair. Yeah, I don't

690
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: think there's any doubt which means Rosen's would be Rosen

691
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: would be ranked ahead of those two guys. Now here's

692
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: the thing. Someone might still fall in love with Murray's

693
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: complete package, with his athleticism and all that stuff, and

694
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: still pick him ahead of Rosen. I could see that,

695
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: but I think, as again, right now, the Cardinals are

696
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: not shopping him. People think they will at some point,

697
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: but right now they are not. According to reports that

698
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: are out there, I think a second round pick would

699
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: be excellent value for him. The rumors that are floating

700
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: around the NFL is that he may have devalued himselves

701
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: so much as a rookie, despite the fact that the

702
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals did not have a good offensive line that the

703
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: rumors are it might only take a third rounder to

704
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Speaker 1: get them. I don't believe that now, whether or not

705
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: it does. The Giants don't have a third round pick

706
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: this year at the moment to the point too, so

707
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: that kind of makes it difficult for them to make

708
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: a deal unless they're willing to reconstruct it somehow or

709
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: give up a third rounder in if the Cardinals were

710
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: willing to take that, I don't know now. Now. My

711
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: second question, and I take this off line now we

712
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: don't go quarterback in first round of pass rush here

713
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: is that they have the top podcast rushing work would

714
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: best for the outside lineback. The pair does standing up

715
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Speaker 1: outside lineback and the defenseive hand in the ground. And

716
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Speaker 1: I take that upline things. Uh, thanks, Bass, appreciate the call, um.

717
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: It's funny the pass rushers at the top of this draft.

718
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: It really depends on the type of player you want.

719
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if really does and I think we can

720
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: slide Jokai Polite out of the conversation based on what

721
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: happened at the combine, Poul, are you on board with that? Am? Okay?

722
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: So let's slide him out. So I think, assuming that

723
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen nick Bos are gone, let's make that assumption

724
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: because one of those guys are there, I think they're

725
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna be the top guy and everybody and if somehow

726
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: one of those guys drops, you take him and and

727
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: it's possibly you never know, though, I think there's a

728
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: better chance quinnin Williams jobs because tackles generally get slide

729
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: more than ends do. So I think the group you're

730
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: looking at right now, in that top ten, you're looking

731
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: at Montez Sweat, who I think is a pretty good

732
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: two way guy. He's strong enough to play the run,

733
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: he's athletic enough to run the pass or I think

734
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: his times at the combine were better than the quickness

735
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: and speed and athleticism missile on tape, but still good player.

736
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Speaker 1: He was considered a top twenty guy before the Combine.

737
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Now he's considered potentially a top ten guy. You have

738
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Speaker 1: Paul's guy, Cleyland Ferrell, who is a bigger guy. UM

739
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: not as Bendy, not as super We're athletic, but really

740
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: good with his hands, good against the run, good football player.

741
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Then you have a guy like Brian Burns out of

742
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: Florida State. Now he's your smaller edge, stand up rusher, spins, bend,

743
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: get around the edge, but he is not much interested

744
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: in setting the edge in the run game. Not very sturdy.

745
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Then you have Rashawn Gary, who's the guy that doesn't

746
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Speaker 1: have a ton of production. Ferrell Sweat and Brian Burns

747
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: guess what all had double digit sacks. Rashaan Gary had

748
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: three and a half. But he's two seventy five pounds

749
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: and he runs a four five and he's huge, and

750
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: he's gigantic, and he blow up the combine with all

751
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: his testing. But where's the production. Then I'll throw it.

752
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I'll throw it. I'll throw a wild card into the mix.

753
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you want a great three technique. Maybe you want

754
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: at Alva who came into two eight five in the

755
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: draft and can rush from inside and can do all

756
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: of those those those sorts of things, but his production

757
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: is not great. So if you're talking about pass rushers,

758
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: and if I miss somebody, Paul please chime in. Those

759
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: are the five guys I they go in the mix,

760
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: and I would not necessarily go with the guys that

761
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: didn't have the big time production, So I would kind

762
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: of slide. I think Gary and Oliver out of the mix,

763
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: at least for me, even though their traits are fantastic.

764
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: And then you look at those top three and you

765
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: decide the type of player you want. It's not necessarily

766
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: which guy is better, it's what do you want the

767
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: guy to do for you? And that's how I look

768
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: at it. For me. If you just want the guy

769
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Speaker 1: that that's going to get the most sacks, you take

770
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Brian Burns. You don't look back, and that's me. Yea.

771
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: I need a guy who plays the one more and

772
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: and and and again Cleveland Farrell more of a sturdy guy,

773
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: does set the edge, will put his hand in the dirt,

774
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: plays the run a lot better for me. That's the guy.

775
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: How about sweaty choice. This here's the thing, and it's funny.

776
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: I like Ferrell the best. I like Sweat number two.

777
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: I would take Burns three in that scenario if it

778
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: were me. And this is how I look at it,

779
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I see Sweat

780
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: as having a higher ceiling than Farrell, But I see

781
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: Farrell having a higher floor. You know that I think

782
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Sweat as a huge bus factor because

783
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: of his length and his strength. And if you made

784
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: me choose between the two today, and I'll be honest,

785
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: heading into the combine and even heading into the Senior Bowl,

786
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: even at the Senior Bowl, Sweat did not impress me

787
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: as much as he impressed other people. When I see

788
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: him win on tape and when I saw him wind

789
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl, he won one way. He won

790
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: with length. He gets the Jason Pierre to get his

791
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: handsome and you need Link as a seed as a

792
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: pass rusher. But for as good as his testing was Paul,

793
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: watching him on tape and watching him at the Senior Bowl,

794
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: I never saw him get off the line super quick

795
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: and just beat the guy around the edge of the

796
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: speed wash. I didn't see it. And that's what makes

797
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: me think twice about him. So I honestly don't know

798
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: which one of those three guys I like better. Yet

799
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll have a better idea about three four

800
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: weeks when we kind of get through the rest of

801
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: this process and I have a chance to look at

802
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: more tape and all that stuff. But that's what you're

803
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: looking at though, honestly, with Dave Gentleman's loving big and

804
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: fast guys, I would not take Gary and Oliver out

805
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: of that equation in the conversation either. You never know

806
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: understood what traits these guys are gonna like. My personal preference.

807
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it now because I have done work

808
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: on just these guys, because I really like them coming

809
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: out of Indianapolis. Ferrell would be one for me. Sweat

810
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: would be two, Burns would be three. It would be

811
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: in that order, and I don't think I'm going to

812
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: change that as we move forward. On the offensive tackle side,

813
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: I'd have no problem with the Giants took an offensive tackle.

814
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I think to me, Joan Taylor is the number one

815
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: pick for me. If if if I'm at number six

816
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: and I go that way, I think Joan Taylor certainly

817
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: has a good enough grade that if I went that way,

818
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: he would be appropriate. I'm gonna ask you a follow

819
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: up question on that. Here's my follow up. If the

820
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: Giants had a vacancy at left tackle and that of

821
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: right tackle, would tell or still be your pick. I

822
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: don't know, because I've been looking at it strictly with

823
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: a slanted point of view saying that the Giants, you know,

824
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: are gonna put a guy at the right side, and

825
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Taylor has played right in his college career and has

826
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: excelled at doing it. I I am, I have learned

827
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: and over the last few years that it does make

828
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 1: a difference, and that and that if the guys played two, three,

829
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: four years in college and excelled at that side, let

830
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: him play there. You don't screw with it. So I

831
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: guess here, I guess here's my question then, And so

832
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: I I can't tell you. I don't know. This is

833
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: where I was trying to go with the question. And

834
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: now you'll kind of understand I think why I asked it.

835
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: If you look and Kenley Platt mentioned this guy when

836
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: we had the conversation. The tackle with the most athletic

837
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: upside is probably Andre Dillard from Washington State. She's the

838
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: smoothest season at the quickest feat But I haven't watched

839
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: his game tape yet. David Deal has watched it. We're

840
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: gonna have a big meeting about it on Wednesday, and

841
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna kind of go throw these offensive line. Maybe

842
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: we'll have Dave on the show. I don't know. And

843
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing, you know, we don't know if he

844
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: can run block at all at all, if he has

845
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: the power for it. Um not their game. He though,

846
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: I think has the potentially to be the best past

847
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: protecting left tackle from a physical standpoint. But I gotta

848
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: be honest too, dude. I watched him at the Senior Bowl.

849
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: He was good, he moved well, his trade showed out.

850
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: But he wasn't this like unmovable wall at left tackle either.

851
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: Guys did beat him over the course of the week.

852
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: So I'm with you in the giant situation right now.

853
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: My number one tackle on the board is also John Teller,

854
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: and and if if for some reason he wasn't there.

855
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: There's a mixed reaction to Cody Davis. Some people want

856
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: to I'm sorry. Some people are thinking he's gonna be

857
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: a guard now if you like him as a tackle,

858
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: the people who do seem to think he's a top

859
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: ten guy. John, Yeah, absolutely, Well, Look he's he's three pounds,

860
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: he's six four, and he can move. He has a

861
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: hot volley. That's a big big boy. And then if

862
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: you don't go first round offensive line and you go

863
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: to the second round, then you're looking at the Dolton,

864
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the horizons of the world, the great littles of the world.

865
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: And I don't I'd be really surprised if any one

866
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: of Taylor. We talked Dillard maybe dropping that far before

867
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the combine. No chance, now, uh so, I said, Ford, Dillard, Taylor,

868
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: Edward Williams. Those four guys are not going to get there.

869
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: Edwards had a rough combine. I have no protesting, I know,

870
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: but the body work at Wisconsin is solid. Second round. Remember,

871
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: he's coming off an injury, to which is to say

872
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: you might make better value for him. You could and

873
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: this the same way. Yeah, and he's also very raw

874
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: could juice as a guy. I don't know if you

875
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: listened to him at the podium in he didn't play

876
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: organized football until his senior in high school. So from

877
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: some of the scouting reports I've read on him, he's

878
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: a good athlete, but he's kind of like uncoordinated, out

879
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: of control. He kind of flowers. He needs some more policy,

880
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: he needs some power. So but tremendous tools. Absolutely so

881
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: those are all which is why I'd have no trouble

882
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: with the Giants going with the edge rusher at six,

883
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: because there's certainly premier value that's going to be clustered there,

884
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: and then in the second round. There is certainly high

885
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: second round value for that right tackle. We've just named

886
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who should be there. They could

887
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: easily get the edge rusher and the right tackle in

888
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: their first two picks and be very happy with that.

889
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I think. I think that's the blessing that the Giants

890
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: have this year in the draft, is that two of

891
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: their biggest positions of need they should be able to

892
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: get inside the first forty picks. If it falls the

893
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: right way, it's certainly possible. There are enough names out there.

894
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, you could even happen to a one four

895
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: or five one three. Scott in New Mexico is up

896
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: next with little Scott. Hi, guys, how are you doing today? Uh?

897
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: Furthering your point, I think it's imperative that the Giants

898
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: solved their issue at right tackle almost immediately, and I

899
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: was thinking to do it actually in free agency with

900
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: either Darryl Williams or with John James, because the content,

901
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: the concentration. If you look at the Giant statistics, they're

902
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: giving up more points than their score in both seventeen

903
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: and eighteen, and so that would free them up a

904
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: little bit more to concentrate on defensive personnel, which they

905
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: really need because I'm firm advocate that you wouldn't the

906
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: close games with defense making stops as opposed to scoring

907
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: unlessure Kansas City. And we're in Kansas City. So I'm

908
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: wondering what your opinion was in regards to settling the

909
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: issue on the right tackle in free agency rather than

910
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: um do it and in the draft. And I like

911
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: both of your selections, John Taylor and Cody Ford I

912
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: think would be agniorrable pits. But I think they really

913
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: need to solve it so they can concentrate on defense.

914
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Uh what the sixth round pick if they're not going

915
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: with Dwayne Haskins, want to get your opinion on that.

916
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: For me, the primary issue was price tag because we

917
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: talked about press God CBS talked to us about Darry

918
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: Williams said said, don't think you're going to get a

919
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: discount on him, and Joe Corey told us the same thing.

920
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: And and so now you know, Williams is coming off

921
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the patella and mc L in his knee, So that's

922
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: going to be a concern for folks now if their

923
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: medical staff, whoever it is that wants to sign him, says,

924
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: how our medical people feel really good. He's going to

925
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: give you sixteen games, he's going to practice. We're not

926
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: worried about him having to sit on the sideline and

927
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: miss some of those reps. Well, now, maybe you get

928
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: into a most serious conversation with him, But then again,

929
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: what kind of number is he going to want? You know,

930
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: these these these offensive linemen nowadays, John, they hit free agency,

931
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: they want double digits a year. Right tackle hasn't quite

932
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: hit the absurd levels left tackle has, but it's getting high.

933
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: It's getting there, and and and how can you justify

934
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: that kind of number with a gentleman who's coming off

935
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: of injury. And unfortunately, the market is almost telling you

936
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: that you have to And and that's what makes it

937
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: so difficult, given some of the given some of the

938
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: reports out there today of some other rumor deals, price

939
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: tag for offensive tackles, it really is, it really is.

940
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: So the question becomes, are you better off drafting one,

941
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: let's say John Taylor, if that's the way you want

942
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: to go. Are you better off drafting a young guy

943
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: who's fresh out of school, who has a world of

944
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: potential a world of skills and is going to be

945
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: young and healthy. Or do you tie up your cap

946
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: with a guy who's already been in the league but

947
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: he's gone through injuries before. What do you What do

948
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: you do? Scott? How do you feel about it? Well?

949
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Here here's the issue. There's a rumor going around now,

950
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: and pretty much more than a rumor, that Mollie Jackson's,

951
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: for example, is going to be journey the Eagles. And

952
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: if you have Mollie Jackson and Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham,

953
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: that's quite pmitable, it is. And you have to win

954
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: your you have to win your division ye to get

955
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and I'd like to see it being

956
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: done this year as opposed to waiting two or three years.

957
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: So I'm willing to take a chance on a tackle

958
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: because you have to have continuity on the offensive line right,

959
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: and that takes a while to jail. More than likely

960
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna have hal Appeal playing center as opposed to Pulley,

961
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna have a brand new right tackle

962
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: probably no matter how they work it. And so that's

963
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: going to take some time for continuity, and you want

964
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: to keep you lie upright. If you lie. Actually, you're

965
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: going to be in the quarterback, so I'm good you

966
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: think it's imperative that you do it. At this point,

967
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: I go ahead. Now, I just want to use your

968
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: point to make another one. First of all, Hallapeo and Pulley,

969
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: don't be so sure that Po is gonna win that job.

970
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm a big Spencer Pully guy. I think it's gonna

971
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: be a competition, and Po is coming off a year

972
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: lost because of injury, So don't think automatically that Pulley

973
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: is not gonna win it. I think both guys will

974
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: have a fair shot at okay, and the and the

975
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: winner should should do a good job because I think

976
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: I think both of them have have shown the giants

977
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: that they deserved the opportunity. The way if Polly wins it,

978
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Peo used to be a guard, so he could be

979
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: that swing guard center back. All right. That's so that's

980
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: first thing I want to say to The Second thing

981
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: I want to say is if you sign a guy

982
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: who's had injury history, he gets you to training camp

983
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he can't take all the reps,

984
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: the consistency and continuity that you want to build, which

985
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: those things are built on the practice field. The point

986
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: guess what you're not gonna build it. Be careful what

987
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: you wish for. Okay, one last question I have and

988
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: then I'll take it off off. As far as the

989
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: defense is concerned, Uh, there's a guy on the market

990
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: if he's thirty six years old, and the Giant defense

991
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: after losing Landon Collins and Olivia Vernon, they really don't

992
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: have what I consider a leader on that team. Wouldn't

993
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: make any sense at all. And I know there's a

994
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: lot of guys out there um that addresses that are available.

995
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Giants have the chap room,

996
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: but would somebody like Terrell Suggs make any sense for

997
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: the Giants because it would give that kind of leadership

998
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: ability that I think the Giants need on the defense.

999
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Scott, thanks to the call. Look, if

1000
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: you if you're if you're dealing and I'll tell generically,

1001
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: if you're dealing with an older player and you sign

1002
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: him to a one year deal, yeah I have a

1003
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: problem with that as long as you're not committing long term,

1004
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: multiple year guaranteed money to a guy that's plus thirty five.

1005
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: You know, because guys can kind of fall off a

1006
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: cliff at any moment when you get that old. I'm

1007
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: fine with that. You basically just have to figure out exactly,

1008
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, what the terms would be. But if you

1009
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: want to roll the dice in a veteran you know

1010
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the Giants did last year with Connor Barwin brought him

1011
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: in from one year and depending on what the terms are. Yeah,

1012
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: I think if you have an older player, Um, that

1013
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: makes sense, Paul, what do you think? I'm sorry, John,

1014
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I was answering a text. What if you have an

1015
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: older player that's thirty five or thirty six, if you're

1016
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: willing to him in for just a one year deal, uh,

1017
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: to help this year and maybe be a guy that

1018
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: would help the younger guys that you would you be

1019
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: okay with somebody like that. The car mentioned Trrell Sug specifically.

1020
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: You know the Giants tried to do that this past

1021
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: year with Connor Varwin. Yep, I just brought that up. Yeah,

1022
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: and and yes, it can help your locker room. I

1023
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that it helps your production because at

1024
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: that point there's yeah and and I I would probably

1025
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: not do it. I'd probably rather grow the guys from

1026
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the ground up at this point, after they've already made

1027
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: the adjustments to clean out the locker room, I think

1028
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm beyond now looking for cleansers. I need talent now.

1029
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: That's just me J W and Florida J Dub. What up, pal?

1030
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: How are you very good? Just a quick question. I'll

1031
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: take it off the year. I would like some information

1032
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: about this cornerback that we drafted in the supplemental round

1033
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: last last year, and I'd just like to know, you know,

1034
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: what he's like, what his strengths are, and also where

1035
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: he would be if we drafted him this year out

1036
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: of the draft, and I'll take your answers off the air.

1037
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks you, Jar. We asked that question

1038
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: to a few different people at the combine. We heard

1039
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: anywhere from second to fourth, depending on who you talked to.

1040
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: Dave Geentleman said second. Yeah. A lot of the speculation

1041
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: was if he had stayed in school for another year

1042
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: and been healthy, how high could he have raised? He

1043
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: could have helped the stock up to a second round pick,

1044
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: which is what Dave Gentleman said, right, And I think

1045
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: the who I forget which one of the draft guys

1046
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: said he thought maybe he would have been four. That

1047
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: was that was Kyle Crabs. If I wasn't taken into

1048
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: account that he could have improved as a senior. He

1049
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: was taking him raw the year before against this class,

1050
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: So anywhere between two and four. I think what you

1051
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: have to like about him from what I've been told

1052
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: from the coaches around here, studious, very, very eager and

1053
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: excited to play, willing to learn, good tape work. Guy.

1054
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: We know he's got some length. We know he's got

1055
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: some speed. I understand for. I talked to a college

1056
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: coach who played against him, okay, uh played against when

1057
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: he was when Beale was in school two years ago,

1058
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: and he said, the guy, the guy absolutely has ball skills.

1059
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: He closes really well on the ball, and he makes plays.

1060
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: He said it was ridiculous. He said when I when

1061
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: I watched him play and then we had to play him,

1062
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, man, I knew right away, this guy's

1063
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: gonna be a top not NFL player. At grew and

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Speaker 1: been on Twitter. Gihnts defense didn't blow the end of

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00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: games the last two years because their d n s

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00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: couldn't protect the edge in the run game, They couldn't

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Speaker 1: get home on passing down. They need a quarterback sacking

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Speaker 1: edge rusher. Vernon hurried the quarterback but didn't get home

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00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: when it mattered. Well, how many times have I said

1070
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: this past week of being called up by various radio

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00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: hosts that Olivier Ronan is a robin. He is not

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00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: a batman. He is a robin. He needs a batman

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Speaker 1: to work in conjunction with him if he is going

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00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: to provide provide the necessary pass rush. He had that

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00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: when the Giants went to the playoffs when Jpp was batman,

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00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: and then when Vernon was asked to play batman he

1077
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: could not fit into the cowl. Well, I guess the

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00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: question then that he's posing is that if you need

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: that batman pass rusher, do you prioritize over that over

1080
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: a more row rounded guy that can stop to run

1081
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: a little bit better in the draft. A lot of

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00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: that depends on what else you have remaining to surround him.

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00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: And you know the Giants right now, Uh, they need

1084
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: some more help on defense than just one body. Yeah,

1085
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: they need multiple bodies that are good at football. Let's

1086
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: go to Jeff and Rhode Island. He's up next stage, Jeff,

1087
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: how are you, hey, guys, how you doing today? Um,

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: I got a question for you about this kid I

1089
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: watched play Summit you Mass slash Dear Andy Isabella. He's

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: good football player, Jeff? Do you he? Um? I know

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00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: you saw him at the combine? Uh? You see a

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00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: draftable type guy? Or is he more like a priority

1093
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: free agent? And if the Giants grabbed him? Do you

1094
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: think we could turn him into our own version of

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: an Edelman? Yes? Um, Andy Isabella is actually probably a

1096
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: better athlete than Edelman is. To be quite frank with you, um,

1097
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: he is a very very good football player. He tested

1098
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: out of the house at the combine ran a four

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00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: of what four three one I think was his measured

1100
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: forty dash. Here's here's the trick. He's only five nine.

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00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: So while he might have the speed to play outside

1102
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver, the only way he could do it is

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00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: if he's someone like Brandon Cooks, because Brandon Cooks is

1104
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: an outside wide out but killer speed the Seawan Jackson,

1105
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: same deal. Five nine. Andy Isabella did play as an

1106
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: outside wide receiver at you Mass, but he fits the

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00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: profile of your slot guy. I believe he will be

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: off the board, Jeff, Day two. I think he will

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00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: be a third round pick, maybe even a late second.

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00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: And most people at the combine the first thing they

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: said when you mentioned Isabella was bella chicken the Patriots, Yeah,

1112
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: pretty much. And the other thing you got to worry

1113
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: about two, he got better at it this year in

1114
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: his final year. He had the drops. He's a little

1115
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: bit his hands were slightly questionable. So that's something else

1116
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: you gotta keep your eye on with him too, And

1117
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: so we might not have a shot at him. And

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00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: it looks like if I'm the Giants, I'm not taking

1119
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: him because quite frankly, they've got one of the best

1120
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: slot receivers in the game in Sterling Shepard and O'Dell

1121
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: kind of profiles that way too. To be with you,

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: that's done to me that that is not a piece

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00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: that's missing here on this roster. They got many others.

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00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: You know, if he I thought he might be going

1125
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: on you know a little bit later, if he was

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00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: going to be drafted, and uh one other thing you

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00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: you think the Giants make, might make any kind of

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00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: a move tomorrow and guts the signing, Well not tomorrow,

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00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: be the league here doesn't start until Wednesday. Would I

1130
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: be surprised if if by midnight on Wednesday, we hear

1131
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: about a report of Giants signing. It would not surprise me.

1132
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, here, here's here's let me let me explain

1133
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: one other piece of the law. Here, John, how this

1134
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: works out. And thank you appreciate the call. But well,

1135
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: you know what you will see, and we've already seen

1136
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: some of the reports on the internet that such and

1137
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: such a player has agreed to a free agent deal

1138
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: with a team. The reason that happens, okay, is because

1139
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: the teams are not allowed to comment on any of

1140
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: these agreements until Wednesday, when the calendar year opens. However,

1141
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: that does not prevent a player or a player's agent

1142
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: from telling someone in the media, Oh, we've got ourselves

1143
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: a deal, and we've agreed to a deal. We've verbally

1144
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: got ourselves a deal. That's where we're gonna go and play,

1145
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: and such and such then gets reported on the internet.

1146
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: It is a it is a legal situation that prevents

1147
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: a team from officially making that type of comment, But

1148
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: there's nothing that that prevents an agent or a player

1149
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: from saying, Oh, I gotta deal with Team X and

1150
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: I am going to play there and signed there on Wednesday.

1151
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: So that's why you get these reports on the internet,

1152
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: those have to be identified as unofficial reports. The league

1153
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: doesn't allow it to be otherwise. George and Florida, we

1154
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: got thirty seconds, buddy. What what's your trade proposed? Go ahead, hey, guys,

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: how are you doing doing well? What's up? Uh? I'm

1156
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: going to propose a trade and I'd like your continent

1157
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: on it. I would trade Odell Beckham to Arizona Cardinals

1158
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: for Rosen and Arizona's second round pick this year. What

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00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: do you think? Thanks for the called George. We appreciate

1160
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: it well. I will once again parrot what Dave Gentleman

1161
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: said earlier in the year. You did not sign Odell

1162
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. To trade him. And if you're trading Odell

1163
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. In my opinion, and this is only my opinion,

1164
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the Giants. I need a

1165
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: first round pickback. If you're talking about a one and

1166
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: that player, then maybe we can have a conversation. Just

1167
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: remember it is a significant dead cap hit if you

1168
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: trade Odell Beckham Jr. Which means you have to get

1169
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: a boatload of compensation back to order to swallow the

1170
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: pain of the dead cap hit. Paul good stuff you too.

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Speaker 1: Johns will be back with you tomorrow and Big Book

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: kick off live in noon on giants dot com. We'll

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Speaker 1: and Paul and we'll take you through all the free

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