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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gardoski. So

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Speaker 1: we are headed towards the middle of Trump's first one

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Speaker 1: While some of his team, like Marco Rubio, have sailed

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Speaker 1: when it comes to confirmation, and that's the confirmation of

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Speaker 1: the former Democrats. That's Robert F. Kennedy Junior for the

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure if Cash was officially a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: It looks like that none of these people, despite being

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Speaker 1: the Democrats is Labor Secretary Lorie Chavez Demurror. She was

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Speaker 1: But back to Patel, Gabbard and RFK, it looks like

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Speaker 1: A lot of the hawkish wing of the GOP has

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Speaker 1: Tulsi and many people have wanted him assassinated. Many politicians

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Speaker 1: My guest this week is the host of the fantastic

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Speaker 1: Megan McCain, Megan, you've had a very Bryan Yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: Look the ratings for CNN. I mean, I don't remember

433
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Speaker 2: the exact show, but it's like reruns of Jeopardy at

434
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Speaker 2: three in the morning get better than they're making up

435
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Speaker 2: what show it is. But it's like, you know, when

436
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Speaker 2: as many people are watching my Instagram stories as your

437
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Speaker 2: morning show, Like, I think there's an issue. I don't

438
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Speaker 2: trust any of these networks. I do still watch Fox,

439
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Speaker 2: and my husband works for them, but obviously I'm.

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Speaker 1: Their ratings are through the rooms, so you know, the

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Speaker 1: way you want.

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Speaker 2: And I don't include them in this analysis, but I

443
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Speaker 2: think that, you know, just from my personal experience, it's

444
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Speaker 2: not just that they don't care about understanding how you know,

445
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Speaker 2: fifty five percent of the American public lives, so that

446
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Speaker 2: they have a disdain for it. And I think when

447
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: you see like Margaret Brennan's attitude and behavior and body

448
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Speaker 2: language when she's interviewing JD. Vance and then like screaming

449
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Speaker 2: about how Republicans are going to fix the price of bacon,

450
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Speaker 2: like you know, you probably live in a multimillion dollar

451
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Speaker 2: place someplace in you know, the belt Way, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I would love to know how many like normal Americans

453
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Speaker 2: she's speaking to, because it didn't come off like a lot.

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Speaker 2: And I think, look, I just don't you know, maybe

455
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Speaker 2: this makes me like a masochist or gross person or

456
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Speaker 2: something or not a mascist a statist. I really love

457
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Speaker 2: this moment, Like I love that everybody that's been so

458
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Speaker 2: disgusting to conservatives is like around and having a hard

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Speaker 2: time and you know, not to like give you TMI,

460
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Speaker 2: but like I've had quite a few people reach out

461
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Speaker 2: to me wanting to do interviews with lots of different

462
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Speaker 2: friends of mine, not just TOLSI, and I'm not helping them. Yeah, thing,

463
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Speaker 2: but crap all over me and people like me. For years,

464
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Speaker 2: I've basically been called an extremist and a radical, particularly the.

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Speaker 1: Past, and those are the nice words exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know, you guys are drowning in this. In this

467
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Speaker 2: you can you can figure out how to get your

468
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Speaker 2: way out of it. Now, I'm not going to help you.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to It's a numbers game with Ryan Grodowski.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this message. What is amazing

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Speaker 1: to me is that it wasn't like they they bought

472
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Speaker 1: in on progressive ideas, on things that no one believes in,

473
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Speaker 1: going into like the like transgenderism argument for like miners,

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Speaker 1: like every leftist argument they believed like wholesale. There was

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Speaker 1: nothing that they pushed back on for years. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean New York Times only recently started being like, hey,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of studies that transgenderism in children is not

478
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Speaker 1: really not but transgender surgery in children is not really wonderful,

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Speaker 1: and these drugs are not great for miners or twelve

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Speaker 1: years old. That took like six seven years to come

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Speaker 1: out like they did not have a single voice in

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Speaker 1: the woods to say hey, like there was no diversity

483
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Speaker 1: of opinion whatsoever. And I know, like the La Times

484
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Speaker 1: is hiring somebody right now, but I haven't seen I

485
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Speaker 1: mean any kind of come to Jesus moment on any

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Speaker 1: of these networks as far as like this big reshuffle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're having these openings now, these people are leaving,

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Speaker 1: but I can't imagine an open conservative taking any of

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Speaker 1: these jobs.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's part of the problem is it's not that

491
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Speaker 2: they just are maybe not offering, Like I mean, I've

492
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Speaker 2: had many offers since I left The View and I

493
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Speaker 2: will never ever work in cable news. I mean I

494
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Speaker 2: did not have you know, I'm not including Fox, but

495
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Speaker 2: I'm not working at Box and we're planning on it.

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Speaker 2: But I would never work in There's nothing, there's no

497
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Speaker 2: amount of money, there's no amounta because it doesn't matter

498
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Speaker 2: if you're the token person. It matters that like the

499
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Speaker 2: producers and the network and the host and everybody just

500
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Speaker 2: wants to railroad you and you're this person that's just

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Speaker 2: going to sit there and get screamed at. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think that man that is on CNN does a

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Speaker 2: great job. I'm sorry I forgot his name because I

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Speaker 2: don't watch CNN, but there's like a token got Jennings

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Speaker 2: sut Jennings. Yes, the clips him. He does like a

506
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Speaker 2: very great job. But like, I don't know if I

507
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Speaker 2: can swear on This's like, who the fuck wants to

508
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Speaker 2: do that?

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Speaker 1: Every day I was on, I was a Jim Banks

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Speaker 1: is inauguration and I saw Scott there and I looked

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Speaker 1: at Jim afterwards, and I Senator Jim banksman aiain and

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Speaker 1: I said, wow, I thought I was on the most

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Speaker 1: famous person who was on CNN on this in this

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Speaker 1: room right now. But that did not happen. His producer

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Speaker 1: producer I'm seen and actually emailed me yesterday. I said,

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Speaker 1: would you come on our network? And I'm like, yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: I was like, I think I'm banned for life from

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Speaker 1: your network. I don't think I can come on your network,

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Speaker 1: but I.

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Speaker 2: Think gradge of honor.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you probably should reach out to your

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Speaker 1: higher ups to see if I'm allowed to come on,

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Speaker 1: And then they never replied to me.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know it's worth whenever they And again

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to have like a struggle session about

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Speaker 2: how much we hate CNN, but like they've done this

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Speaker 2: to themselves, Like they've asked me to come on quite

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Speaker 2: a bit in the last year, and I always say

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Speaker 2: no because it's just really not worth my time for

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Speaker 2: a lot of different reasons. And I'm shocked did they

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Speaker 2: keep asking, like, yeah, I'm not interested in going on

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Speaker 2: with like you know, I just and I feel bad

533
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Speaker 2: because they have friends that work at SEEING and know

534
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Speaker 2: we're really nice people. But I think how many.

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Speaker 1: Times can you be called a racist? Is like the

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Speaker 1: question like how like that is the honest to god

537
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Speaker 1: question when you were ever? When ever I did CNN.

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Speaker 1: The way it works in cable news is you get

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Speaker 1: a email from the producers a few hours before the

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Speaker 1: show with all the topics that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: covering on it. Like when I Owe did Appy Phillips, it

542
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Speaker 1: was an hour worth of topics, and then about forty

543
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Speaker 1: five minutes before you go on set, they change every

544
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Speaker 1: topic and all the research you've done is completely yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then every question is like the first question, so

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Speaker 1: Republicans are racists? Second question, follow up, follow up thing,

547
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Speaker 1: why are Republicans so racist? And you have to sit

548
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Speaker 1: there and defend and make an argument the entire time,

549
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Speaker 1: and there are some really good lesson Van Jones was

550
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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to work with a lot of other people.

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Speaker 1: That woman Allison is having a nervous breakdown on CNN

552
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Speaker 1: that she was never paid enough, but she has two

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Speaker 1: bachelor's degrees. She was never a nice person to be

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Speaker 1: your own, So, I mean, I guess it's the person.

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Speaker 1: But what is this moment like for you being somebody

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Speaker 1: who was critical of Trump for so long and for

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Speaker 1: personal reasons and I think for philosophical positions, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to like about this moment right now with the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration is there, and you're not like a maga

560
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Speaker 1: Republican though that's your new brand that they're titling you with.

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Speaker 2: I don't think maga people are think that about me,

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Speaker 2: though I think.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're warmed up to you.

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Speaker 2: A lot left doing people probably think that, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think maga people think that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what is this moment like for you as

567
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Speaker 1: somebody who was critical of him but kind of likes

568
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Speaker 1: what he does?

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Speaker 2: So obviously there's personal right of course over ten years

570
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Speaker 2: old that you know. What's so funny is even like

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Speaker 2: the most ardent Trump supporters or like if somebody said

572
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Speaker 2: that I'm about my family, I feel the same way

573
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Speaker 2: you did, like you should tend to give me a pass.

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Speaker 2: And also, I know polling wise, Trump's criticism of my

575
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Speaker 2: dad and the con family is one of the few

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Speaker 2: things that ever made his support drop with his face

577
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Speaker 2: whatever that's worth. Like, I don't like it, but it's

578
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Speaker 2: very old and I you know, you know me, like

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Speaker 2: I'm a pretty religious person. I'm a very spiritual person,

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Speaker 2: and my relationship with God is very important to me,

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Speaker 2: and forgiveness is a big part of my life. And

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Speaker 2: I've forgiven Trump for me, and I'm forgiven for him.

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Speaker 2: I've forgiven him a long time ago because for me,

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Speaker 2: I just want to be a happy person, to live

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Speaker 2: a happy life. And it's just like for me, I

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Speaker 2: have let this go a long time ago. But I,

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Speaker 2: like everybody else, I've experienced, you know, like all the

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Speaker 2: stuff everybody else did, I did too during COVID post COVID,

589
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Speaker 2: the culture war stuff, the political stuff like Biden was

590
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Speaker 2: just drowning this country on many different levels. And I

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Speaker 2: think just like holistically having this like decred but old

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Speaker 2: man whose brain was mashed potatoes. Leading the country was

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Speaker 2: a very scary experience. It's true. I've said that numerous times.

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Speaker 2: I stand by that his brains mass potatoes, and I.

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Speaker 1: Don't, right, I love how by the way, can you

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Speaker 1: just say for one second you like the Bidens were

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Speaker 1: never you are like god parents, Like there was this

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Speaker 1: image that they were their best friend.

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Speaker 2: They the Bidens were friends with my parents when they

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Speaker 2: were younger, when they were like you know, when they

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Speaker 2: first met in like got the late seventies, and then

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Speaker 2: obviously when my dad was very sick. I President Biden's

603
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Speaker 2: son Bo died of the same brain cancer my dad did,

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Speaker 2: and he was very kind to us during that process.

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Speaker 2: That would never say different. He was lovely. I think

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Speaker 2: he was a very different person than than he is now,

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Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth. And then that my personal backstory

608
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Speaker 2: is they asked me to endorse him during the convention

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Speaker 2: when he was nominated, and I said no because I'm

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Speaker 2: a Republican, and you know, like it just I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I honestly like his choice of calm life. I was

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Speaker 2: so petrified, like like Treby is someone that you could

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Speaker 2: never do anything like this, and just like I'm not

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Speaker 2: a Democrat and when I said no, they never spoke

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Speaker 2: to me again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just people need to know that because

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Speaker 1: people have this interpretation that you guys were like vacationing

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Speaker 1: every summer together.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever even actually been to Delaware.

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Speaker 2: I think you're on an amtrak.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. So yeah, but I think that for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who are who didn't like full out

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Speaker 1: leave the party and join the Lincoln Project in the

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Speaker 1: last eight years, they're like, they're like Trump's doing a

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Speaker 1: good job, like they can open to them, and they

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Speaker 1: said Trump is doing a good job. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to somebody I did a speech yesterday in California, and

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Speaker 1: they were asking me, like, wow, I feel this person

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Speaker 1: or that person. I said, I like them enough, like

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Speaker 1: they're politicians. I'm not like I like them enough until

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Speaker 1: I don't like them. But I think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of Republicans are who didn't go along with Trump for

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Speaker 1: the first eight years, are at the point with him

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Speaker 1: right now saying I like him enough, like he's good

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Speaker 1: enough right now.

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Speaker 2: I like again, like character wise is just not you

637
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Speaker 2: know right what I her, But I mean policy wise,

638
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled, like not to be like gross or whatever,

639
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: but like I'm having a great time right now. I

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Speaker 2: want to be like whatever. But like everything I said

641
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: was gonna happen and got screamed at and harassed and abused,

642
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: you know, in lots of different spaces has come true.

643
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Speaker 2: And everybody I don't like it looks like a moron

644
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: because they got everything wrong. And this really is like

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Speaker 2: a renaissance for conservatism. And you know, to be someone

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Speaker 2: who has been like a lifelong conservative on TV for

647
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Speaker 2: so long talking about it and to have this moment

648
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Speaker 2: where we're cool and popular and culturally cool, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I can now like I have two young girls, as

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Speaker 2: you know, and I can send them to My eldest

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Speaker 2: daughter is a really incredible swimmer, Like she's four years

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Speaker 2: old and she loves it. She's very good. She's already

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Speaker 2: in advanced classes. It's definitely gonna be her sport. And

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Speaker 2: like I'm not gonna lie like seeing Lea Thomas really

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Speaker 2: freaking out about her continuing in this sport and now

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Speaker 2: like Trump signed all of this, and now I know

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Speaker 2: that like she can compete against other girls, like is awesome,

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Speaker 2: Like like I am so happy. I I and honestly,

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Speaker 2: like Tulsi's inclusion in the cabinet to me is like

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Speaker 2: even just metaphorically and and our case as well, it's

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Speaker 2: an olive branch to you know, I think I'm probably

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Speaker 2: more like in their space politically, I get I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm more probably more conservative than they are, but.

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Speaker 1: Like definitely I think you're more definitely concern of the

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Speaker 1: RFK is, but I think that you have concerns over

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Speaker 1: our food supply, like.

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Speaker 2: So excited for red like red dye to be banned

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Speaker 2: and stuff, and I'm really excited, like right now, I

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Speaker 2: choose to be optimistic and I really genuinely feel excited

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Speaker 2: about things. And you know, I can table my personal

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Speaker 2: feelings about Trump, but it's don't even like it because

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Speaker 2: I don't like hate him. I just like have personal

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Speaker 2: viewed from a long time ago for what he did

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Speaker 2: to my dad. But I also think, no, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing the media sort of underestimates is

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Speaker 2: like I don't care anymore, and I don't think they

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Speaker 2: care anymore. I think this is like old news from

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Speaker 2: the past, and that doesn't mean like I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be hanging out at mar a lago or anything. It

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Speaker 2: just means that I'm like very happy with the policy

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Speaker 2: and hanet decisions. I really love a ton of his

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Speaker 2: cabinet choices, and I really feel much safer right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a there's a I can't describe, but

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Speaker 1: it is a feeling in the air. And just one

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Speaker 1: last point about a cultural change. I was in give

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Speaker 1: a speech in downtown LA yesterday and as I'm peeling

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Speaker 1: out of the event space, I see this young black guy,

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Speaker 1: tall black guy with a giant Trump twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: hoodie on in downtown LA. Like I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is this would never have been anything I could only imagine,

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Speaker 1: Like just I don't know two years ago, it does

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Speaker 1: feel like we have all the optimism going for us

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of ours to lose. Makes the left

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Speaker 1: is seen.

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Speaker 2: Is also like starting to interrupt you. Like I was

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Speaker 2: trying to explain this to like friends of mine. We're Democrats,

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Speaker 2: and like it's not just a political problem, but that's

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Speaker 2: a great one. It is a social and branding problem.

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Speaker 2: Democrats are seen as like hysterical, they'll run to hr

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Speaker 2: if you use a wrong pronoun. They're obsessed with, like

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Speaker 2: you know, culture, stuff. They want your kids, all your

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Speaker 2: kids to be trans like there. It is such a

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Speaker 2: monument of insanity that I wouldn't like if you like

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Speaker 2: tasked me with Megan fixed this. I actually don't know

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Speaker 2: where I would start because it's such a mess. But

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Speaker 2: I do know that David Hogg is not the answer

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Speaker 2: and that you haven't learned lessons.

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Speaker 1: When they when he announced he was running eye laught

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Speaker 1: when he won, I was like, wait a second. You

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Speaker 1: guys are like this is the this is your outreach.

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Speaker 1: And even his like Cam Kazinski whatever that kid's name is,

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Speaker 1: who was in the school, Like yeah, yeah, he was like,

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Speaker 1: are you guys crazy?

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Speaker 2: Like they learned no lessons? If you think a gun

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Speaker 2: grabbing you know, pronoun bio twenty four year old progressive

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Speaker 2: who's you know? I mean, respect is horrific. He's famous

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Speaker 2: because of a horrific tragedy. Like it's just so you know,

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Speaker 2: your problem is many things, but most of it is

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Speaker 2: also men in America don't like you or trust you

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Speaker 2: because they think you're weird, and it's like you don't

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Speaker 2: have like you know, I I guess the chair. I

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Speaker 2: don't know anything about him, but I guess he's like

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Speaker 2: maybe an image of like a more working everyman. But

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe. I honestly thought it was like

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Speaker 2: a clarity when they nominated him.

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Speaker 1: For by right. But the problem with their idea of

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Speaker 1: working everyman's is it's like somebody in like working class face,

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Speaker 1: like it is like it's not like it's like this.

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Speaker 2: Just play that cosplay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's cosplay and it's obvious cosplay, and they

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Speaker 1: just can't they it's so endemic that it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: so problematic and it's such a big turn off to

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Speaker 1: both young people and men, and young people who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, were really who had their formative lives changed

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Speaker 1: by COVID. I mean gen X, sorry gen Z. Rather

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Speaker 1: is two different generations before and after COVID generation Make

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Speaker 1: McCain thank you for doing this, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: on What So Citizen McCain is your podcast. I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend it. I listen every single week.

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Speaker 2: Way to come back soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you let me know. That's it's a fun, fun podcast.

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Speaker 1: They talk everything from culture to being moms to politics.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm such a shit talk No, it's.

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, it's much more gossiply than this podcast, but

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Speaker 1: it's good. It's good. And then your substack is Megan

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Speaker 1: McCain dot substack dot com. I highly recommend everyone just

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Speaker 1: check out her podcast and look at her substack. It's

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Speaker 1: so good. Thank you, thank you, thank you for being on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ryan. I'm so happy for your new podcast

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see you and DC soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening this week's episode of A Numbers

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Speaker 1: Game with Ryan Grodski. Please like and subscribe on Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tune in

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Speaker 1: next week. I'll see you there