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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Das Vidania and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh. There's Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Jerry's here too, man, this is stuff you should know. Comrade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tetris edition. How much Tetris have you played?

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Speaker 3: What's your background there?

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Speaker 2: I was a very casual Tetris player. I mean I

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Speaker 2: didn't even realize there were as many levels as there are.

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Speaker 2: I tend to flip out when things start to really

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Speaker 2: go fast, So I wasn't very good at Tetris, but

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Speaker 2: I did enjoy it when I played it.

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Speaker 3: And where'd you play it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: What system?

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Speaker 2: The classic nees? Okay, how about you, Chuck, what is

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Speaker 2: your relationship to Tetris?

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Speaker 4: Well, the only way I ever played it was on

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Speaker 4: a game Boy. I don't know if I had a

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Speaker 3: I know he had one.

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Speaker 4: But at any rate, I played it on the game

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Speaker 4: that for a while. I wasn't like obsessed with it

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Speaker 4: or anything, but I did have the Tetris streams. I

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Speaker 4: did walk around seeing things as Tetris on the landscape,

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Speaker 4: so it definitely invaded my consciousness for a while. But

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Speaker 4: I never played it on anything but the game Boy,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know how to play it with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. Like I tried playing it on computer.

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Speaker 2: In it, I was like, I don't I can't get this.

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Speaker 2: I'm just used to the NYS controller for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna try and play it today, just

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Speaker 3: like whatever.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's some free online version you can play

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Speaker 4: on your desktop, but I was afraid I was a

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to do it because

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Speaker 4: I'll be thirty minutes later I will still been playing

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Speaker 4: Tetris because it's a very addictive game, and part of

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Speaker 4: why it was successful is because it seems like every

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Speaker 4: body that ever tried Tetris early on at least loved

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Speaker 4: and became pretty addicted to Tetris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was asking you and me. I was like,

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Speaker 2: She just looked at them at me out of the

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Speaker 2: good at Tetra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I could see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I never I didn't ask her if

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Speaker 2: she had the dreams, but I could see her having

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Speaker 2: the dreams. Apparently that's a really common phenomenon, right, I

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Speaker 2: think it's actually called the Tetris effect.

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: When it starts invading your dreams or you start you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're walking around a city and you start looking

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. So yeah, we'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about why it's so addictive. People have come up with

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Speaker 2: Psychologists have actually come up with theories to explain why

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Speaker 2: Tetris in particular, not video games, Tetris in particular has

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Speaker 2: that Tetris effect and it's so addictive, which kind of

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Speaker 2: give you an idea of why. I think we talked

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Speaker 2: about this in our Minecraft episode that where I got

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Speaker 2: everything right that Tetris is actually the best selling game

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Speaker 2: of all time. Yeah, closing in on five hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million copies. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a stackering number of people, man, right.

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Speaker 2: And this video game hasn't been around since like the

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Speaker 2: eighteen hundred. It's like it's from nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: It's not Oregon Trail right right exactly.

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Speaker 2: You can't catch dysentery playing it.

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Speaker 3: No, and big thanks to Olivia for this one.

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Speaker 4: I had this idea when I recently remembered that I

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Speaker 4: had not watched the Tetris Cold.

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Speaker 3: War thriller movie.

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Speaker 4: That is a very loose sort of story about how

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Is that huge chase scene where Alexi Pajetnov is chasing

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Speaker 3: I think it is. And he was throwing Tetris pieces

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Speaker 3: they should have done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, that would have been pretty cool. He

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: So you mentioned a guy that's very key to this.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he's the most key because he is the creator,

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Speaker 4: Alexi Pagetnov. The year's nineteen eighty four, very big key

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Speaker 4: he was working at a place called the Jerrod Nitsen

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Speaker 4: that he originally called Genetic Engineering. Great name eventually would

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Speaker 4: land on Tetris, but it was a copy initially of

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Speaker 4: his favorite puzzle game when he was a kid, called Pentomeno.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad, yes you said it. It took me a

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Speaker 2: little while and I was like, oh, like Domino, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And it was like any other puzzle. It

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Speaker 4: It was in a rectangular, horizontal box and you would

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Speaker 4: just you know, it was one of those puzzles where

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Speaker 4: make like an Elton John album cover. It would just

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he basically took that and adapted it into

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, I'm going to totally evolutionized this. I'm

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Speaker 2: And so you can't call it pentomeno anymore because pent

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Speaker 3: Like that, right, yeah, five squares.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he called it Tetris, named after Tetra. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that's what the iss is from Tetra Tennis Tetris.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: In this initial version, like I said, it was called

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Speaker 4: don't know if you dragged at that point or not.

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Speaker 4: Anyway you could get it over into that box and

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Speaker 4: that made Tetris tetris.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Did you say that there weren't any graphics,

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Speaker 3: Of ground, So, yeah, that was the first version.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was interested in doing puzzles in relation to

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Speaker 2: That was a great Yakov Smirnov, by the way, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that became kind of a common refrain in this

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Speaker 4: and they would go in and find them playing Tetris.

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Speaker 4: and eventually got named Robert Stein, who owned a UK

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Speaker 4: based company called Andromeda Software Ltd. He saw this in Hungary.

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Speaker 4: He was like, hey, Hungary gave us the Rubik's Cube,

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Speaker 4: here's another puzzle game. This is pretty interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: So in nineteen eighty six he realized that he had

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Speaker 4: a I guess. He got a hold of a telex

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Speaker 4: telex and they started telexing back and forth saying like, hey,

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Speaker 4: And Stein didn't realize in broken Russian that just meant yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right, So he actually started creating copies of it, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So in January twenty nine to eighty eight, spectrum

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Speaker 4: He didn't get his actual deal signed with them until

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the time, it was almost one hundred

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Speaker 2: And again I think this was within that window where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't have those rights, so you could have

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Speaker 1: Was Tetris.

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Speaker 3: What a pro.

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Speaker 2: So when we last saw Hank Rogers, he was wandering

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Speaker 4: I mean at this point he did make a deal

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was essentially the same thing. When Apple loaded

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So you said he was sort of bumbling.

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Speaker 2: You can't leave that that was a joke, Like that

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I remember that. I think I was

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Speaker 2: Song, Thanks suckers for the free album that I paid

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Speaker 3: Goodness me.

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Speaker 4: So, you mentioned that he was sort of bumbling around

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Speaker 4: still trying to secure all these different you know, license rights,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because at the time, all of a sudden, there

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Speaker 2: it became clear Stein didn't known the rights. Therefore Maxwell

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Speaker 2: the rights yet. So Stott Rogers was there like making

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Speaker 2: five million units of something, it's suddenly popular. That's when

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Speaker 2: it had been around for a few years by then,

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Speaker 2: but when the Game Boy came out with it, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. And by the way, I did go

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Speaker 4: I haven't picked the one out yet, but are there

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Speaker 4: are plenty of game Boys with the Tetris cartridges. They're

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Speaker 4: supposedly in good shape, so that's awesome. I'm definitely looking

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Speaker 4: forward to that, although Emily says I still have mine somewhere.

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Speaker 3: It's like, all right, I'll just get it on eBay.

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Speaker 2: Like how hard can you look for that?

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Speaker 4: And they range in price, I think, you know, some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to look out for that forty year

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Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, and cotton candy and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: But the Game Boy when though, The reason I bring

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Speaker 2: Minute, I know that song, that's the Tetris song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It is, and it's if you haven't heard it in

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Speaker 2: and a judge was like, nope, it's Nintendo's and Natari

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Speaker 4: So they've sold a lot of these. But marketing of

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Right, So Tetris indisputably ended the Cold War, brought down

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he didn't try to fight this early on,

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Speaker 4: but blah blah.

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00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: Blah, Like he knew that was a lost cause.

442
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 4: So he never even tried to fight back, and I

443
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: think wanted to get in line as a good Russian

444
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 4: state employer and was like, okay, ten years, you've got it.

445
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 4: And you know, it turns out patience is a virtues

446
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: because he made you know, he did pretty well on

447
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: the thing in the long run.

448
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: Right, So these guys started drifting over to the United States.

449
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: And there's a really sad like kind of appendix to

450
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: this whole thing. In nineteen ninety eight, Pokyoko, who was

451
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: psychologist who is involved in developing it, found that he

452
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: had he was being looped out now that the rights

453
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: were coming to Paget and off Anne Rogers, who made

454
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: a separate deal without him. He was running a relatively

455
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: unsuccessful software company and apparently killed his wife and son

456
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: with a knife and then killed himself with a knife,

457
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: which is a weird enough thing that there's still today

458
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories that he was killed by Russian mobsters or

459
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: the government or something like that, but a couple of

460
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: autopsies confirmed, like, no, this was suicide. It's really really

461
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: sad and just a weird, little bizarre kind of side

462
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: thing to be tacked on to, you know, what's just

463
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: widely considered such a fun pastime around the world.

464
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a documentary or docuseries rather called The Tetris

465
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: Murderers about this, and I did not watch it, but

466
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 4: I looked more into this, and I'm not conspiracy minded

467
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 4: at all, but this seems very very pinky. There were

468
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 4: three murder weapons to kill his wife and kid and himself.

469
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: There were two different hammers and a hunting knife. Multiple

470
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: murder weapons is just strange. There were documents burned on

471
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: a grill. Everybody to a person, they talked to her

472
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 4: like this guy was a super good dude, loving father

473
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: and husband, Like, there's no way he could have done

474
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 4: something this brutal. Apparently the blood spatter analysis made no

475
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 4: sense at all, and there were other people that were

476
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: asked to sign off that were like, I'm not going

477
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: to sign off on this, Like, there's no way this

478
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: guy slit his own throat, look at the blood. And

479
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: they also found a note that they initially said was

480
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 4: not a suicide note, but they would eventually say it was,

481
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: and it said I've been eaten alive, Vladimir. Just remember

482
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 4: that I am exist the devil. It's very strange, it is,

483
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 4: so I don't know, a lot of this stuff doesn't

484
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: add up.

485
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: So I'm not really sure what the deal is.

486
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: No, for sure. I think the one criticism is that

487
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: the docu series doesn't actually say why anybody would have

488
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: wanted to kill him and his family.

489
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: But yes, everything I say, Russian mobs, that's all you

490
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: need to say.

491
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does kind of explain a lot. So,

492
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: like you said, there's a movie I think it's on

493
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: Apple TV that came out last year about this that

494
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: you can see. I can't remember what it's called, Tetris something, right,

495
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: I think it's just Tetris.

496
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, what's his name? The Kingsman, Tarin Jaron Edgerton.

497
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: Yet I think of a more resultant John.

498
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: I do too. I like that guy. I think he's

499
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: a very talented actor.

500
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope he's not a monstrous scumbag.

501
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: I do too.

502
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: We walked that fine line of like saying something nice

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: about someone, are they a monstrous scumbag? Or say something

504
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: bad about someone and we'll just get back to them, right.

505
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a good track record of calling it though.

506
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: Well I got one. I got Jared back in the day.

507
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: That's about it, because that was a mega one. That

508
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: was a huge way to nobody was thinking that about

509
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: that guy.

510
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 4: Speaking of that guy, should we take another break or

511
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 4: should we talk about gameplay first?

512
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: We'll take another break.

513
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 4: It feels like, all right, let's break and we'll talk

514
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: about how you actually play this thing right after this. Okay,

515
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: So if you want to play, if you've never played Tetris,

516
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of this kind of assumes with

517
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 4: that many hundreds of millions of games sold, plus many

518
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: more people that played that didn't actually buy it, that

519
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 4: most people have probably played this game. But the idea

520
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: is that you know, you have this horizontal screen and

521
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: these different shape blocks are coming down, and when you

522
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: do a complete horizontal line across with these different shape blocks,

523
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: that line will disappear, and all this time more blocks

524
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 4: are falling and falling and falling. And the key is

525
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: to get to different levels by you know, completing more

526
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 4: and more lines, and they start going faster and faster,

527
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 4: and you can you can spin them to get them

528
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: into position and into place, and in different versions of

529
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: the game, you can see what's coming. Sometimes just one,

530
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: sometimes a few, and there are other variations along the years,

531
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: But that's the basic gameplay of Tetris is very very

532
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: simple game.

533
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: That was the best, basic, most succinct explanation of Tetras

534
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: I have ever heard.

535
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Really.

536
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: Was it good though?

537
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: For sure? Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying.

538
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: It was the best.

539
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: I just thought you meant that was short and that'll suffice.

540
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: No, No, I thought it was great. Okay, thanks, because

541
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: you could have gone on longer. But why you said

542
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: it all just precisely so. It was very economical and efficient,

543
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: and I appreciate that.

544
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: Thank you, friend.

545
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: There's also multiplayer versions with which means that there's a

546
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: lot of competitive Tetris championships. There's one in particular, and

547
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: the Classic Tetris World Championship, I believe is the biggest

548
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: of them all, but some of the things that they've

549
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: come up with. So Tetris was just basically the same

550
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: for a very long time, and then when the rights

551
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: reverted to paget Nov, they started experimenting with it making

552
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: it a little different some of what you included in there.

553
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: But one of the things that is pretty cool about

554
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: multiplayer play is that when you start doing things like

555
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: if you clear multiple lines at once, it's a Tetris combo,

556
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: you can be rewarded by garbage being thrown to your

557
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: player's screen and that'll be you know, a few lines,

558
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: sometimes a bunch of lines that have like a really

559
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: inconvenient break in the line which makes it really hard

560
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: to clear. And also it just pushed their regular screen

561
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: up that much closer to the top, which is where

562
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: you die if you can die in Tetris. So there's

563
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: like a lot of like kind of interesting things that

564
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: they did with this really basic game that it didn't

565
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: seem like it could be improved upon without really just

566
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: being unnecessary. They seem to have come up with some

567
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: really good ideas for it.

568
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think did you mention that a true

569
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: Tetris is when you get what is it, I guess

570
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: four levels at once.

571
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you throw down that coveted eye piece and

572
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: you're satisfying and yeah, exactly, that is a Tetris.

573
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: Oh boy, that's satisfying. I remember that feeling. I can't

574
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: wait to get that game boy. Should we talk about

575
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: the pieces because you found some kind of cool stuff,

576
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: as did Libya. That I never knew is that these

577
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: pieces have names.

578
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bunch of slang names. There's a Tetris

579
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: wiki that has a bunch of slang names. But somebody

580
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: posted on Reddit a few years ago and the original

581
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Nintendo manual for it, and it has like the official

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: Nintendo name. So we'll give you all of them or

583
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: some of them.

584
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: All right, the J and the shape also refers to

585
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: or the letter refers to sort of the shape of

586
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: the piece, right, yes, okay, So the J is the

587
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: blue one. I never knew that there were colors because

588
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: on Game Boy obviously it was not colored. The initial ones,

589
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: but the blue one can also be called the gamma

590
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: or the the gee or ge or I think the

591
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: is official, the blue Ricky, the blue Ricky.

592
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the official one. There's an orange Ricky. That's

593
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: the L piece, which is basically the mirror of the

594
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: J It's also called jed or right elbow orange Ricky.

595
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: You don't really, you can't improve on that. It sounds

596
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: like a disgusting drink. Yeah, you know, like a creamsicle

597
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: cruise ship drink gin Ricky.

598
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh boy, you might be onto something.

599
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: What is a gin Ricky?

600
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: It's gin lime and I think a little sweetener. Maybe

601
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: it's really simple, and I think club soda. It's a

602
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: pretty old drink, so.

603
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: Kind of like a Gin and Tonic without but with

604
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: soda instead of tonic and a little sweet.

605
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I believe so. I think that's a pretty

606
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: good disc. Man, you're just killing it with the descriptions today.

607
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: How about this the yellow cube. It's a square, Oh

608
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: my god, genius. That's known. You can call it square

609
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: or the zero or the smash Boy.

610
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the official name of smash Boy. Can't improve

611
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: on that one either. The S is the green piece.

612
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: It's the right facing zigzag piece.

613
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: Huh.

614
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: Some people call it the right zigzag er right squiggly.

615
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: But the official Nintendo name was the Rhode island Z.

616
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: That sounds like a sex position.

617
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: It does for sure. Wow, that's great. Z.

618
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 4: There is a Z is the mirror, the red mirror

619
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: of the Z, and that is you can call a

620
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: lightning bolt or the left dog or the left snake

621
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: or the Cleveland Z also, but I said.

622
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: Before, yeah, it's just more disappointing than the road. Oh

623
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: there's the T, the T piece that actually is used

624
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: in the Tetris logo. And the tea is called the

625
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: te wei.

626
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: The tee wee.

627
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

628
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: And then that god that I called it the I beam,

629
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: But that's the Cyan four line clearer. That's also the

630
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: one that if you if you put it in the

631
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 4: wrong place, it can really screw you.

632
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: But that can produce that full Tetris. You call it

633
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: the stick, the line, the slim gym, the long skinny one.

634
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: The hero is the official name for it though.

635
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that makes sense.

636
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's where that song, that Enrique Iglesias song

637
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: comes from. It's about Tetris. A little known fact.

638
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 3: So did you mention the championship?

639
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: No, yes, I did. The classic Tetris World Championship. That's

640
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: the big one. And they still use the original n

641
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: Ees version, the one that I played, and you and

642
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: me played, and everybody but you played.

643
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: Apparently that's right, which is a key distinction when it

644
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: comes to competing. I guess because that would have been

645
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 4: I would have been pretty lost, although there's no way

646
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: I could. I wasn't like competition level. I was just

647
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: okay at it.

648
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: But dude, competition level is inc when it comes to Tetris.

649
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: No, when you watch like real time speeds of what

650
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: these people are doing, it's crazy. Like that's when I'm like,

651
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm way done by that by the time

652
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: they start going that fast.

653
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because the Nintendo controller, the original one, the rectangle

654
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: with two buttons like two red buttons, and then a

655
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: dpad the directional pad like it's it works for certain

656
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: kinds of games and certain kind of movements, usually with

657
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: two thumbs. But with Tetris, the big part is to

658
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: move the piece around, and you want to move a

659
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: lot of pieces really fast and move on to the

660
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: next one.

661
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: Which you're sending them.

662
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: Yes, which means that you have to you have to

663
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: press the d pad really fast, and the deep pad

664
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: was not made for being pressed fast. So, like you said,

665
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: people have come up with some amazing techniques for competitive play.

666
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're trying to get something going down that's

667
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: coming down very very fast all the way over and

668
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: fitted one on the left side of the screen, it's

669
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 4: dropped on the right. You got to hit that deep

670
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: aad like go go, go, go go, And you can

671
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: only do that, like you know, there's humans can only

672
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 4: go so fast until they invented hyper tapping, which is

673
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: about twenty eleven. According to Libya's research, which I found

674
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: that to be pretty much true for early twenty tens.

675
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: It checks out. That means you're like.

676
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: You're sort of vibrating your thumb actually instead of pressing it,

677
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: you're sort of vibrating your you're like flexing your bicep,

678
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 4: so you're not fully releasing and pressing.

679
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: It's just like a hyper press, a hypertap.

680
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: Right, So if you if you're trying that right now,

681
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't see how that works. Apparently

682
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: a very very few gifted individuals can actually yah hyper tap,

683
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: which means that hyper tapers dominated competition for a good

684
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: ten or so years. About ten years there was a

685
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: kid named Joe Seeley or Saley I'm sorry, Joseph, and

686
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: he was sixteen at the time. Back in twenty eighteen,

687
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: he reached level thirty one. I don't think we said

688
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: just using like normal movements on the Nees controller, no

689
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: one makes it past level twenty nine. Yeah, you just don't.

690
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: This kid made it to level thirty one using hyper tapping.

691
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen he made it to level thirty five

692
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty so at the time, that makes him

693
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: the greatest Tetris player of all time to that point.

694
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

695
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 4: So then in twenty twenty comes along a guy named

696
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: Christopher Martinez, also known as Cheese capital Z capital Z.

697
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the capital Z makes it cheese Z.

698
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: Oh that you're probably right, that's my take on it. No,

699
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: I think you're totally right.

700
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well we should say Christopher Martinez aka Cheese aka Cheesez,

701
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: and we'll get it in there somewhere.

702
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: So he introduced a technique called rolling. It's also called

703
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: fly hecking HCCI after a guy named Hector Fly Rodriguez

704
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: who developed this technique on arcade game consoles, not even

705
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 4: for Tetris, just on arcade game console. Like, you know

706
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: how to press the buttons faster, and I'm gonna do

707
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 4: a little audio, Josh, if you'll allow, because did you

708
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: see how this was done? Did you see Hector's fingers?

709
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: I did.

710
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: It's amazing. This guy has like they look like break

711
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: dancing fingers. They're just so fluid. But it's if you

712
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: imagine like a stand up arcade game and those big

713
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 4: round buttons. If you want to press that really fast,

714
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: you can go tap tap tap tap tap tap with

715
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: one finger, or you can do this with your fore fingers.

716
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: Very nice.

717
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 3: Did that come through you? So that's what he's doing.

718
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: He's using all four fingers to you know, kind of

719
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: like the on board thing when you do that on

720
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: a table. He did that on a button and found like, boy,

721
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: that's even faster than the fastest hyper tapping and cheesy

722
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: geez uh No, I don't know stole that, but he

723
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: got that from him. So what you do in the

724
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: case of a Nintendo, because they have tiny little buttons,

725
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 4: you can't do that with your poor fingies. No, you

726
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 4: hold the dpad down just enough for it to engage,

727
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: and then you do that to the back of the thing,

728
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 4: and it essentially is making your dpad move that fast

729
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: because it's already engaged and you're going really fast.

730
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: Right to the back of the controller.

731
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: Right to the back of the controller, making the back

732
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 4: of the controller essentially one large button.

733
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just kind of jumping up and hitting

734
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: your thumb. That was another great explanation, Chuck Man.

735
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: That's a tough one because you really got to see

736
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: it in action.

737
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: But you still you did it great hyper tapping. The

738
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: best hyper tappers can hit the button about seven times

739
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: a second, boggling. What about roller with rolling People like

740
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: Cheesy can hit it twenty times a second? What times

741
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: a second? And Cheesy obviously was starting to reach new

742
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: heights as well a least I believe, still one of

743
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: the premier Tetris players in the world, and it started

744
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: to get people like between Joseph Saley and Christopher or

745
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: Cheesy like they were like, okay, people can get past

746
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: level twenty nine. How many levels do you think there

747
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: are in Tetris? And of course there's not like some

748
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: point where the Nintendo developers were like, Okay, that's it.

749
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: You won the game at level of hundred. Just like

750
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: many other games, they just let it go and go

751
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: and go, and then eventually the game just stops functioning.

752
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 2: There's some zero that doesn't get carried, or some number

753
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: of resets, you reach some crazy bit configuration and the

754
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: thing just crashes. But that's just never been done with

755
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: Tetris because they figured out using bots that it was

756
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: somewhere between level one hundred and fifty five and the

757
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: mid two hundreds. Right twenty nine is where the best

758
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: normal players max out. In the thirties is where Joseph

759
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: Saley was maxing out. This is like up to like

760
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty. And there was a kid.

761
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: Who, oh man beat the game.

762
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: A human, not a bot.

763
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: A kid.

764
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: I've seen him with my own eyes on the TV

765
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: and he was not a bot.

766
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: How old was he? What's his name? Give this kid

767
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: his due?

768
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: He was thirteen years old at the time. This was

769
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty three, so about a year ago.

770
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: He was in Oklahoma. His name was Willis Gibson. Blue

771
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: Scootie was his player name.

772
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you going to drop the level? I think

773
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: you should, all right. This guy, after playing for thirty

774
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: eight minutes, hit level one fifty seven and crashed five

775
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: times as much as the best players in the world

776
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: and crashed the system and every that's a system.

777
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: That's how excited you are.

778
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: That's very weird.

779
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: I was, and everybody was going crazy over this kid,

780
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: except for paget no Nov who said, yeah, well, you

781
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: know you beat the forty year old version of game.

782
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: Nice accomplishment, right, Yeah, he said, the Tetris itself, the

783
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: pure like the theoretical version of the game, you could

784
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: never beat it.

785
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, I guess, But come on, man.

786
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: I know I thought that too, Like it's a thirteen

787
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: year old you're talking to buddy.

788
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 4: All right, So we talked a little we'll finish with

789
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: Tetris on the brain, because we started the show talking

790
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: about Tetris getting into your dreams, getting into your when

791
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: you're packing your car. I still call that tetrising, as

792
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 4: do a lot of people when you're packing stuff, packing

793
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: moving trucks. It's kind of the vernacular now, but it

794
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: does have very distinct impacts on your brain, right, and

795
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: usually in a good way.

796
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, we said it was called the Tetris effect.

797
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: There's a guy named Jeffrey Goldsmith who's a writer who

798
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: is known for coining I don't know if he coined

799
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: a term or it just was the first to apply

800
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: it to Tetris, but he called Tetris a pharmatronic, which

801
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: is like an addictive drug but in software form. Yeah,

802
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm peasant and off. Ever, the contrarian said, like, no,

803
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: it's more like an earworm.

804
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: Right, is it with this guy?

805
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: I don't know. He likes to be right, I think,

806
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: but so yeah, So people have taken wide note of

807
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: the fact that Tetris seems to be way more addictive

808
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: on way more people than just about any other game,

809
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: and so people have kind of investigated what the what

810
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: the deal is behind that. I know at least one

811
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: writer chalked it up to what's called the zigger Nick effect, that.

812
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: Is super cool that was coined by a psychologist in Russia. Bluma, well,

813
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: biggerin I'm sorry, Ziggernick.

814
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: What a great first name.

815
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: I think it's Zigernick.

816
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Okay, well, you know me and eis and European pronunciations.

817
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: I know.

818
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: This is in the nineteen thirties, and she noticed that

819
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: at restaurants, when a server had a large table of like,

820
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: let's say, twelve people, they could remember their orders, which

821
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: was remarkable, but then when it came time to deliver

822
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 4: food to the table, they had forgotten them. So the

823
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: idea here is that the you know, with the Zygernic effect,

824
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: is that the brain really really wants to store information

825
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 4: about a task that isn't complete yet, right like taking

826
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: an order for twelve or in the case of Tetris,

827
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: they're exploiting it by like constantly creating a little unfinished

828
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: mission to create a line of blocks that you get

829
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: fulfilled and then they drop another one. So it's just

830
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 4: triggering this constant feeling of satisfaction because you're completing these

831
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 4: tasks by completing these lines over and over and.

832
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: Over, and then after you complete one, you have another

833
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: task to do, so your brain is activated again, like

834
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: you said, moment by moment, over and over and over again.

835
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: Pretty cool.

836
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: It is super cool. There is another guy named Richard

837
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: Higher or I'm sure in your pronunciation, Heyer, who in

838
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one back in yeah, in ninety one, at

839
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: uc Irvine, he actually the brains of Tetris players and

840
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: he found that the brain is much more engaged when

841
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: you're new to Tetris, which is probably a reason why

842
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: it became such a popular game. It just sucks in

843
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: new players and that you start using way more energy

844
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: in your brain when you start playing Tetris and then

845
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: it kind of goes down over time as you get better,

846
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: and that apparently is when most people stop playing tetris

847
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: after a while, when they get really good at it,

848
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: because the brain's no longer being challenged like it was

849
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: originally thanks to the Zygernick effect.

850
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there have been other studies, of course. There was

852
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: one that found that tetris may reduce the strength of cravings.

853
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: This is in twenty fifteen by the British and Australian psychologists.

854
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: Oh the British Indus is that a band?

855
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: I thought that was the name of me. Yeah, it's

856
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: like a British seapower. One of my favorite bits, right.

857
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just by psychologists in Britain and all Tralia,

858
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 4: I think basically where they used iPods to check in

859
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: with undergraduates seven times a day to see if they

860
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: are craving drugs, food, sex and other things.

861
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: They just said, yeah, that you might create.

862
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, They're like, we're undergrads, duh h and playing Tetris

863
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: for three minutes lessen the cravings. I am curious if

864
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: that's just because they're preoccupied with it. They argued that

865
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: it was effective because it involved because cravings involve working

866
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: memory and visualizing the object of desire.

867
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: So maybe that is it.

868
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 4: You're occupied with another cognitive task so much that you're

869
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: not thinking about the heroin you want to do, and

870
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: you're destroyer.

871
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: Right, And one of the great things about cravings is

872
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: if you can write it out or distract yourself or

873
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: something like that, when you come back from that task,

874
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: your brain very rarely goes right back to the craving. Yeah,

875
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: that's amazing. They also figured out, for probably the exact

876
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: same reasons or similar reasons, they believe that it can

877
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Speaker 2: prevent pts from forming, which is a little weird. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you just had a traumatic experience. Quick play tetris, right,

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Speaker 2: More likely it will help you get treat PTSD. Very

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Speaker 2: similar to EMDR where you watch like a pen or

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Speaker 2: a ball on a screen or something like that. This

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00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: is playing tetris while you're recounting your traumatic experience. Your

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Speaker 2: memory recatalogs into something far less traumatic thanks to your

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Speaker 2: working memory being occupied while you're doing this other thing too.

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Speaker 2: It's we should do an episode on em d R someday.

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Speaker 2: It's just insane how effective it can be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I'd be a way into that. They

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Speaker 4: also found that potentially your brain might physically change, and

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Speaker 4: then if you play Tetris enough, you might have a

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Speaker 4: thicker cerebral cortices and more flexible cortical corticoll matter. So

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Speaker 4: maybe your cognitive functioning and memory could improve. Although there

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Speaker 4: have been other studies Weirdly, this is very strange to

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Speaker 4: me that found that playing Tetris does not improve things

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Speaker 4: like a spatial cognition, and you would think that's the

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Speaker 4: one thing it would help with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it still helps with visio spatial arrangement,

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Speaker 2: like you said, packing a car. Oh okay, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: You can't see something and be like, how what's right

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Speaker 2: side up? For this shape that I'm showing you a

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00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: picture of. You can't just immediately say like, oh, it

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00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: should be to the left or something like that, like

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00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: just that specific thing. I think it still does help,

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Speaker 2: although I didn't see any studies. It's just how could

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Speaker 2: it not? You know?

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Speaker 3: I agree?

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Speaker 1: Studies?

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Speaker 2: Be damned you got anything else on tetris?

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Speaker 3: I have nothing else. I can't wait for that game boy.

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Speaker 4: I'll report back with pictures at Chuck the podcast or Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice, I gotta put this Kutsu pictures up. Hadn't

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00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: done it?

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00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you need to, man, Yeah, yeah, you got to.

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Speaker 2: You put it on the podcast. You got to deliver, Chuck.

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00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: I have to deliver, Josh.

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00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: Well, since Chuck says he has to deliver, and that

916
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: was an agreement to me saying he has to deliver, obviously,

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Speaker 2: we've unlocked listener mail.

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Speaker 4: This is a timely one because our bet date has

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00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: passed and we got a few of these from people.

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00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 4: Hey guys, I'm from Brazil and I started listening to

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00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: your show during the pandemic. But I love those older

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00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: episodes and I was recently listening to one from November

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00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, Augmented Reality Coming Soon. At the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the episode, Josh and Clark, we get that a lot.

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

926
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: I'm sure my tombstone's a Charles w Chuck Clark Bryant.

927
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: I will see to it that it does.

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00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: If I outlook you, well, I'm gonna be between you

929
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: and you me so you can constantly just be talking over.

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Speaker 2: Me, Okay, kid, that's what we should do.

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Speaker 3: It should do you me, me, you Emily.

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00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: Okay, and then we're not going to talk about pets

933
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: or children, because that's too sad.

934
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: What if we just did like a mass burial together

935
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Speaker 2: and save some money?

936
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just or skybarell plow us all up in

937
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: the mountain and then let the crozyatus or whatever vultures.

938
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm sure shipping our cadavers would be kind

939
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: of expensive.

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00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: That's true. All right, Well, we'll work this out anyway.

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Speaker 4: Josh and Clark made a bet that in five years,

942
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: augmented reality glasses would be all the rage, because Josh

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00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 4: said that he thought they would be commonplace by Halloween

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Here we are, Josh, what do you.

946
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: Think that doesn't sound like something I'd say in retrospect?

947
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: Well, Elisa says, I think Chuck won this one. It

948
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: is funny though. Recently, as someone I know saw me

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00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 4: had my camera because it was an event. I was

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00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 4: taking pictures and I said, can I take your picture?

951
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: And he said sure, and I took his picture. Then

952
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: he went, now can I take yours? And he touched

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00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 4: his glasses and looked at me and walked away. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, that dude's wearing photography glasses.

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00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: No, I knew the guy.

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00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: Those meta ray bands that you can like whatever, interact

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00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: online through your glasses basically what there's Yeah, that's what

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00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: you would be commonplace.

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Speaker 2: I think you didn't chase after him and say like, hey,

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00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: I never said yes.

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Speaker 3: No I didn't. Well, I just thought i'd expose it. Here.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Now we know you want to say

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Speaker 2: his name in street address, I do not. All right, Well,

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00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: since Chuck told an anecdote about an anonymous friend using

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Speaker 2: Google glasses and I lost a bet, then we have

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00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: to sign off by thanking whoever wrote this email? Who

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Speaker 2: was it again?

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Speaker 3: Alisa from Brazil.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Thanks a lot, Alisa from Brazil. We

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00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: appreciate it big time. Thank you for pointing out that

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Speaker 2: I lost to Betsy Chuck. Hopefully there was no money

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Speaker 2: on it, was there?

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Speaker 1: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: No money as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to be like Alsa from Brazil,

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Speaker 2: you can email us as well at stuff podcast at

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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