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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer As Williams. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Legends Podcast. I'm As Williams. As part

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Speaker 1: of our Storyteller series, we invite legends to come on

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Speaker 1: and tell their stories. Today, we have a legend who

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Speaker 1: has reached great heights and business and actual heights as

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Speaker 1: he tries to become the first NFL Legend to climb

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Speaker 1: each of the seven summits. Please welcome Mark Pattison. Mark,

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Speaker 1: may you look like you're ready to play right now?

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Speaker 1: You you're ripped up? Now do you have to use

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Speaker 1: physical weights? Are you all of this mount climbing and

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Speaker 1: keeps your physically the way you look? Well, look, you

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Speaker 1: got to like anything, it's preparation meets opportunity right and

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Speaker 1: on the football and the gridiron back in the day, Um,

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Speaker 1: we didn't just show up right. We had a clear

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Speaker 1: path on what we had to do to be able

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Speaker 1: to take on I was a wide receiver. I know

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Speaker 1: you're a secondary guy and for me to take on

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Speaker 1: a guy like you, I had to bulk up and

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Speaker 1: for you to go up and you know, hit on

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Speaker 1: running backs and take on um blockers and wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, had had certain techniques and there's

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Speaker 1: really no different from from what I need to do

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Speaker 1: to prepare to put myself in the best possible position

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Speaker 1: of climbing these mountains. And now you know, as you said,

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Speaker 1: I've I've climbed six of the seven highest mountains around

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Speaker 1: the world. Have actually been on Denale, which is up

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Speaker 1: one with Chris Long and his group, the water Boy group. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I've been down there twice and now and finally

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Speaker 1: on the grand finale, the super Bowl of all these things,

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Speaker 1: Mount Average coming up in April April? Do you get

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Speaker 1: any anxiety prior to well, Mount Average? I always get butterflies.

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Speaker 1: No different than when, yeah, from the game, when you

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Speaker 1: and I used to be out there and they blow

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Speaker 1: through all those different things. The same thing happens whenever

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Speaker 1: I get up and I'm at the front door of

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Speaker 1: that mountain and I'm looking up and it's big and intimidating,

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Speaker 1: right and then the whistle blows. In this case, you

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Speaker 1: say let's go, and we start getting up and going

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Speaker 1: to the mountain. And no mountain is an overnight. I

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Speaker 1: mean these are weeks and weeks and weeks on the

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Speaker 1: ice and making your way up. But again going back

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Speaker 1: to just what do you have to do to get

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Speaker 1: then as these hazards come up, whether it's a safety

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Speaker 1: you know, you take those on as you go. So

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Speaker 1: you see a blitz. How would you describe a side

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Speaker 1: of just on a mountain? Well, yeah, I mean serious

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Speaker 1: principles are still there in terms of you've got to

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Speaker 1: have that mindset and you've gotta keep going. When did

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Speaker 1: climbing a mountain become a goal? Well, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a great question. And this and about eight years ago,

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Speaker 1: I was going through a really difficult time. I was

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Speaker 1: being an environment, you and I playing football teammates are important. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have old different counts. You know, you were a

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Speaker 1: nobody awful, right, And in mountain climbing, in a lot

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Speaker 1: tied to some people, yeah, who you've seen no film,

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Speaker 1: the preparation. So I look at a little bit differently,

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Speaker 1: Like let's focus on the six percent of the things

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Speaker 1: every single day, Like make sure you're big and strong,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going there to die. I want

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Speaker 1: a successful outcome. So I got to have that kind

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Speaker 1: of mindset to start. Do you climb with pictures of

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you another thing about that. You're right,

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Speaker 1: and and it becomes very important, especially when things get

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