WEBVTT - Positively Gam: Black Hair Part 2 w/ Stacey Ciceron & J. LeShae 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.760 You still need to know how to do finger waves 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:08.440 and and and Roller says not to say depending on 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.480 what part you are in the contract. I was getting 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.200 Ray say, I don't talk about finger waves. Finger waves 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.040 are huge in Baltimore. Still Style is still to be 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.239 trying to give me finger ways, and I'm like, no, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.159 I do not want finger waves. I hate them. We 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:29.120 can see and she does it very well. What's up, everybody? 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.040 I'm Gammy and this is positively gam Every week I 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:37.040 have raw, in depth conversations with inspirational people pushing for 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:42.600 change on everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness, to the 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.800 current issues facing the black community. In this episode, we're 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.440 going to continue my discussion on black hair with Jay 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.240 Lasha and Stacy Ciceron. So if you miss part one, 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.720 check out the previous episode where we dive into the 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.440 history of black hair. So I want to welcome back 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.479 to part two of our conversation on black hair. We 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:10.440 have Jay Lasher once again and Stacy Cisseron. Welcome back, ladies, 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.200 Thank you for joining me again. Hey, thanks for having us. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:21.600 I want to talk about hair care. Let's start with you, Stacy. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:28.080 When I think about hair care, I think about spiritual practices. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.479 I also think about self care as a young man, 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.760 a young woman, and I'm thinking that the audience is 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.759 mostly women, but I never like to leave my guys 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:43.360 out because they into it. Two honey, okay, But self 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.160 care on a spiritual level is so important, and self 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.320 care on a physical level is so important. And as 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.440 I'm getting old and trying to preserve the sexy honey, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:59.000 it's becoming quite obvious that it takes education and takes knowledge, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.520 it takes entrust. And where does this interest really come from? 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.720 You know, is it being modeled to us? Are we 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.720 learning it in schools? Are we learning it from friends? 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.040 Are we learning it on social media? It really is 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.640 something that we have to step up and do. And 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.040 in our last conversation we spoke about where did this 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.880 come from? Is this something that we wanted to do 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.120 on our own or were just trying to impress people, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.080 or is this something we want to do for self? 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.560 And it built down to self this. Your body is 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.240 your temple, like you said, your hair is your crown. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:37.680 And if you can look at self care in that way, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.200 it should definitely trigger some type of interest in Europe 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.480 on your behalf, not you, but us as a whole 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.680 to want to be able to elevate that, to connect 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.960 with ourselves and to really embrace our personal powers. So 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.279 hair care for me, it's it's bigger than just aesthetics. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:03:01.440 It's about connecting with yourself and honoring yourself. What do 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.120 you think, Jay, because I have to say that personally, 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.400 I think that I've taken my hair for granted. I'm 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.040 gonna be honest about it. I've never it's hair, my hair. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.800 You cut it off, it'll grow back. That's always been 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.080 my my my thinking about my hair. I never really 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.079 had an issue with my hair growing. I never had 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.239 that much concern about my hair because it pretty much 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.919 did you know, I wanted it to do. I had 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.239 really long hair growing up until I was about I 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.480 don't know, in my thirties. I did the whole permit 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:39.040 to keep it managed. I wish that I had the 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.200 amount of product that we have now to help manage hair, 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.760 because if I think, if I had known better, I 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.840 would have done differently. But all I knew was too 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.920 you got a lot of hair on your head, you 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.240 need to permit so that you can manage it. And 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.000 once you start that perming, it changes the texture of 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.920 your hair, So then your hair just bec um this street. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.280 And now I stopped permiting my hair years ago because 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.960 I got tired of permanent. I cut it off, and 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.480 so then you don't have to permit. But then, like 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.520 I talked about all the dying, just once again, the 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.120 dying and the chemicals that are in dye will change 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.560 the texture of your hair. And so I just don't 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:28.440 think that I ever really cared that much about my hair. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.480 I'm so glad that you brought that up, because that's 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.599 a whole different conversation that we're having based on the 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:42.480 needs based on different hair types. Whereas queerly hair has 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.440 need for moisture, has a need it's very fragile, although 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.560 it has a course appearance, it needs its own product, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.840 it needs its own care, and whereas wavy and pearly 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.120 here has different needs. So yeah, that might be something 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.520 that you that needed little maintenance. But my point is 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:04.120 he even outside of styling or having some kind of regiment, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.480 it is taking care of yourself and your hair is 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.520 a part of that. Because the other part of the 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.599 conversation is that, yeah, you could have taken it for 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:19.279 granted because you didn't have the extra drama of having 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.400 a coiled hair. Yeah. Yeah, Like my journey is very 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.800 different than Willows m m yeah, I would say in 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.200 this regard, I do feel pretty privileged. And it's interesting 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.479 to say this because again, like having someone from the 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.200 beginning who understood how to take care of my hair 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.640 in its natural state. It I didn't realize that until 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.560 you ask this question. Honestly, how that set me up 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.799 for a completely different as a black girl and black woman. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.159 I didn't even pay attention to that, And that is 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.680 something I took for having a woman my mother who 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.560 could lay me across her lap bray my hair. Know 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.080 what products? Do you know? I water to make it squiable? No, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.640 exactly what it is to make it beautiful and healthy 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.359 and and easy. So I've always experienced my hair, not 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.360 always mostly most of my life I experienced my hair 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.800 is something that I could manage and do. I will 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.000 say the period that I relaxed my hair and then 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:23.599 went natural, relax or does change our texture. And so 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.479 there were several years where even while it was natural, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.599 it had to grow out from whatever seek into my 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.080 scalt because it was still affecting how it came out, 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.440 and so it made it rougher, but it made it 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.320 even more brittle. So I had to learn a lot 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.479 about how to eat, how to nurture my hair, like 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.800 I had to nurse it back to life over several 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.440 years to get it to a place where it could 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.520 be healthy. And I think the other thing stazy. You 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.320 and I talked a little bit about the natural hair 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:59.880 boom that happened from on. There were only small communities 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.440 that made their own homemade products. So we're coming of age. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.080 I'm coming of age in a time where in the 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:11.000 beginning the only thing that was available was like relaxers 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.480 and and chemically based products for straightening care. There's a 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.720 lot available for black hair in its natural stage. So 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.320 we're experimenting trying to use those products on our natural hair, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.280 and it's not working. And so I had frustration point 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.400 been too, because it wasn't I'm like, what's going on? 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.440 This is not my hair is not softened. But and 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.120 so I just thought I had quote unquote bad. Oh. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.720 It's actually really soft and it's actually very it's more 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.920 manageable this way. But I had to grow it out. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.120 I had to be differently. So it is a physical process, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.760 for sure. It's definitely also in spiritual process. Because the 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.480 other thing we didn't talk about this, but I'll mention 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.200 it hairstylence. Oh, and making sure that you have a hairstylist, 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:59.000 because there's a good prince of hairstyle ists, the people 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.560 who really understand your hands. It's really critical. Even when 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.240 we go back to our ancestral roots. Again, the hairstyleist 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.840 was a sacred person in the tribe. They were considered 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.440 the most honest and trusted person, and they're almost like 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.920 a priest in our history. And if you think about today, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.640 think about how sacred we hold our hairstyle. Yes, hairstyles. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.560 Some of us will fly, I will fly. My hairstylence 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.000 is here. And so having someone who is in relation 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.880 with you in a way that there's an intimate relationship 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.559 with your hands. Everybody's hair is different. There isn't a 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.439 such thing as oh, her hair is just like. No, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.560 there might be some similarities, but there are differences and 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:54.079 we have to understand those. Now, this is a good 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.080 perfect question for me and what happens to our hair 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.280 as we age. There's again that's no one size fits all. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.679 And so with that because different people are affected by 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.080 different things, so as we get older, our bodies are 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.880 depleting itself at a more rapid rate of vitamins and nutrients, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.520 and we're losing different things that are sometimes out of 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:22.000 our control, whether it is hereditary, whether it's hormones, whether 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.000 it's stress related. And let's let's face it, I know 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.839 I'll pe from my household. Majority of us in our 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:32.120 household are not getting the proper nutrients through food. So aging, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.240 the effects of aging is ask for the person takes 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.160 care of themselves. So you find that sometimes people are 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.040 getting thinning. As the gray hair or the white hair 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.240 comes in, it becomes way more resistant. It doesn't want 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.080 to take cut, it doesn't want to take color, doesn't 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.600 want to take style. So the main two things that 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.760 are happening hereditarily, they are suffering from androgenetic alopecia or 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.719 male pattern or female pattern balnus. So you'll start to 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.959 see some thinning in the crown or in the front 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.280 up their hair or even their hairlines. Some medications for 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.880 high blood pressure diabetes are causing god. Low iron is 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.520 also causing God. And these are some things that that 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.960 people are going through. As their agent, So am I 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.760 gonna be put in the position where I have no 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.319 choice but to stop dying in my hair. Okay, time 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.720 will tell, So it may and it may come. It 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.839 may come where you don't have the hair, don't want 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:30.839 to be colored, and will be for us to make 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.560 a decision. But hopefully if that time comes, you would 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.960 already be ready to see, be ready to submit. Yeah, 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.160 you're like, you know what. I was gonna do it anyway. Okay, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.640 well we're gonna pray on that. Let me tell you. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.520 Can I just tell you, although the gray or white 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:52.480 hair may be resistant to some lifting colors, you can 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.400 do a lot of fun colors with gray hair, like 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.360 those pastel pinks, blues, purples, like you could be the 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.640 hot mom blue before. I've done blue before, and I 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.280 actually tried pink, but I looked like I was going 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.479 to the circus. I had to take that out immediately. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.840 It just did not work, and I probably was the 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.679 wrong color pink, but I just I didn't have the 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.679 patients to even try to tone it down. I was like, no, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.280 just take it out. But the blue worth I actually 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.600 like the pale blue. And my sister has gone my 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:28.800 sister has gone lavender on some skin tones. It's just perfect. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.760 If you have a cool skin tone. Sometimes the blue 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.720 looks good. If you have a warmer skin tone, sometimes 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.199 a rusty like a pasto orange. Maybe you got a 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:52.360 summer color, a little winter color. Yeah, yeah, Now Stacy 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.800 talked to us about because there's this way of identifying 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.840 your texture of hair for what is that. It's a 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.800 language that started in the natural hair community. I believe 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.959 I gotta do some fact check in on this, but 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.520 I believe Andre Walker wrote a book over twenty five 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:16.200 years ago about hair, and he created this number system 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.760 which refers to the different hair type straight, waving, curly, coyly, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.520 and within that created a number system. The natural hair 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.800 community then took that as part of their language. And 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.640 then how it evolved was that now stylists needed to 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.640 be able to communicate with their clients and they had 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.720 to start to understand this, and so they bought act 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.240 companies because before like you can now pick up a 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.360 bottle curl cream and it will say for a type 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.760 for hair or for a certain type of fear, whereas 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.440 five to ten years ago you weren't able to do that. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.120 So let me just break it down a little bit. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.440 So based on this number system, the number system is 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.840 between one to four. And I also want to preface 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.000 system by saying, this number system is starting to become 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.320 a little bit outdated and antiquated because of the fact 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.320 that it was a big deal to know this number system. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.800 If you knew that you were for A three B 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.200 four C, that was honey, you cracked the Da Vinci code. Okay, 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:20.680 but we now know that you mentioned in our last 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.560 conversation you have super fine straight here in the nape 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.280 of your neck. You have a more curlier texture in 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.439 the crown. You may have something different going on around 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.360 your hair, your front hairline, so we know that there's 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.240 different things going on. So you didn't really crack the code, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.240 but you made the first step. Within this number system, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.360 it ranges from one to four, one being the straightest 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.319 or being the curliest coiliest at each and each letter 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.120 refers to the degree of wave, curl, or coil. So 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.160 right now, the tightest on this spectrum on this hair 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.640 type chart is four C. But like I said, it's 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.040 a little bit outdated and antiquated because this other patterns 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.400 outside of that. But what I really like about this 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.679 hair type chart is the fact that it makes it 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.920 easy to communicate amongst each other to find products and 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:15.160 to communicate with your hair stylists. Outside of that, you'd 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.920 still need to know some other pieces to the puzzle. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.200 Like Jay, you mentioned that you tried the LLOC method 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.760 the lock method and it didn't work and then you 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.800 had to reverse it into the l CO. This is 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.160 a moisture retention method. The reason why is that maybe 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:34.080 you have low perosity here. So along with hair type straight, wavy, curlier, quearly, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:38.520 you gotta know your density, your perosity, and your hair texture, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.240 amongst other things so that you just don't waste time, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.720 energy and money trying to figure things out. It's no 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.680 one size fits all, so you have to know your 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.280 canvas that you're working on. You can't even rely on 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.040 your assistance Auntie's cousins and best friends. You really have 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.400 to do your own homework and again self discovery right, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:02.520 knowing yourself, your hair, what works for you. And that 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.520 sounds like it's just a lot of experimentation, what product 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:12.240 it's It requires experimentation, but it's easier when you know 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.960 what you're working with. Okay, so you're not making decisions 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.920 based on Willows recommendation or your sister or your Cousin's recommendation. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.280 You're going in the mirror, you're wetting your hair, You're 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.560 seeing what hair type you have. Is your hair dense 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.200 or is it thin? Is your hair forest or is 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.840 it not? And then you're choosing products based on the 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.200 end result you want. So let's face it, some people 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.720 their goal is hang time. They want long, healthy hair, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.320 But some people want short, edgy and color in their hair. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.680 Are they going to follow the same regiment? So it's 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.680 always important, just like in life, that you have intention 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.640 and you have goals for your own hair and you 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.560 choose the products accordingly. So in my opinion, that really 0:15:54.640 --> 0:16:00.240 helps to save time, energy, and money matters because that's 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.680 that quickly is the process how to help you figure 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:09.320 out going on exactly. So we're talking about hair care, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:15.160 and just for me, my hair care routine is pretty simple, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.200 and I just I don't know what makes it. I 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.320 feel like maybe I'm not doing everything that I want 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.640 to do to take care of my hair. But my 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.040 hair is pretty healthy. If I have to work, I 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.240 usually will wash my hair the night before because I 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.120 can style it better when it's fresh and clean. And 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.160 of course when you're styling your hair, you end up 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.360 putting product in it. So like I'm working today, I 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.040 don't have to work tomorrow, but then I have to 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.160 work again Friday. I have to work again on Sunday. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.920 So I'm gonna end up washing my hair on Thursday, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.880 and then I'll wash my hair again on Saturdays. That's 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.680 pretty typical for me. Yeah, there are some women. Men 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.720 gotta throw my fellas in there, But there are some 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.880 people that they, like you said, they may take for 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.360 granted their haircare, but there's some things that could be 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.800 going on that they completely ignore because they think it's 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:13.080 supposed to happen, like finning, changing the pictures, alopecia, breakage, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.800 and things like that. So those are things that you 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.840 just even though you don't have a high maintenance regiment, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.679 there's still things that you want to keep your eyes 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.720 open for. And Jay said having a good stylist will 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:30.040 definitely help to reinforce that, but also reiterating there are 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.240 people who are in that type four or highly textured 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.760 poily hair that can't shampoo every two to three days 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.840 and then don't need to and they don't need to 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.200 and they don't need to. That's the other thing. Now 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.560 I am shampooing, but I am in all of that. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.360 There's conditioner that's happening. I wear a head scarf when 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.080 I go to sleep at night, even though I have 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.159 short hair, I wear a scarf to tie my hair down. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.959 And I also sleep on a satin pillow, and so 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.439 that's for my hair and for my skin or my face. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.720 So that's good definitely, because at the when we're talking 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.840 about the skin or the aging skin or the aging 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.000 hair hair, it's all about moisture retention and things you 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.159 can do to keep the elasticity. So things like satin 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:19.160 or silk pillow cases or satin caps are definitely great 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.159 when it comes to moisture retention and reducing the amount 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.680 of friction from your pillow or your sheets or external 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.080 heat sources. I would say probably more than half of 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.440 black women have experienced one or more of these issues 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:41.600 like breakage, traction alopecia, frizziness, and dry scout, particularly traction alopecia, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.560 because I found that, like I said, this year was 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.280 the first year that I tried braids, and I absolutely 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:56.879 loved them. However, I have to say that I was 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:03.840 in the chair for nine hours and one time when 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.239 I got it done. It was so tight that I 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.399 had to take tyling on. When I got home, my 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.160 head was hurting, So my scout was hurting so bad 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.879 and I could not sleep. I had to take tyling on. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.040 It hurt to lay down. My head was so it 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.000 was so tight on my head. And then when I 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:25.800 took it out, I felt like I definitely was seeing 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:33.639 breakage or it seemed like there was some receding at 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.480 my temples. And I don't know whether that's just from 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:42.080 age or whether that was from the braids. So I 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.040 was a little confused because I thought that braids were 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.320 supposed to be a protective style. There a protective style 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.960 when you have silence because me and was talking of 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:59.840 that them sue somebody who does here and I just 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.800 care for him. They understand like how to make sure 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.399 that what is happening is good for you, Like you 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:13.120 can have braids that don't hurt, like they shouldn't hurt, 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.639 and if they do, you need to take those outs. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.600 But people don't want you because a lot of times 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.239 I've been sitt in hours and hours You're like, oh, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:25.840 be world exactly for nine hours. So I used to 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.520 do braves and weeks when I was doing here, that 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.439 was my area of specialty, f evorite thing to do 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.600 the protective styles. I love them, but now that I 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.879 don't do it, when I give it back to other folks, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.440 WI be going to do. What I recommend is making 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.160 sure that you tell your silas to do larger parties 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.879 around the edges. Do not do the same size party 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.840 as they would. And the thicker, of course, it's of 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.720 your hair because the weight of the extension here can 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.399 pool over time and then will pull your roots up. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.639 That in attention to any tension that the style is 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.240 like off the style is is pooling too hard on 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.560 your hair, it will pull your root up and we 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.040 still cause you to lose hair. Sometimes that can be termitive. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.199 We want to make sure that whoever you're selected to 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.920 do the brain understand like they understand how to take 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.240 care of edges and how to take care of the 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:21.160 make because those are very like tinder spaces on our 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.680 scalth end. Usually our hair is a lot sinner and 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.359 finer anybody's here, even those of us would like really 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.960 course hare our hair is a lot sinner around the edges, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.159 and so we have to be very careful about the 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.240 weight that we pull, you know that we put on it, 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:37.639 and then addition to that, sometimes the length of the 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.960 brains can cause problems, and so we just have to 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.800 be really thoughtful about the style itself for our hair 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:50.600 type as well as who is doing our style. Critical 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.480 Protective styles got its name from what it does, which 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.320 is protecting the hair. A lot of people that are 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.160 looking to maintain healthy here or grow their healthy hair long. 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.760 The key to that is really moisture, retension, and low manipulation, 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.080 and what the protective styles offer you is a way 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.119 to take the break from manipulating the hair. That counts 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:17.720 for combing, brushing, pulling, ponytails, anything like that. So essentially, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.200 protective styles are supposed to protect your hair and give 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.560 you a break. But like with anything else, too much 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.960 of anything is just not good. Too much tension, too 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.560 much pulling, too much of anything, wearing it too long, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.080 it's just not going to be good for the hair. 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.120 And especially that your hair is more on the softer 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.159 or finer side, anything that has that extra weight or 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.480 egg has an extra tension will have the ability to 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.960 maybe pull and pull your hair. So you may not 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.800 have been seeing things you might have seen it correctly 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:53.439 and it's great that you are aware of that, because 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.159 some women men will continue to do that for the 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.400 look and then end up receding their hair in back 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:08.520 and Trade said, sometimes those are effects are not reversible. Wow. Yeah, 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.880 So what is the itching all about? What is that 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.760 is it? Is it just because it's a foreign texture? 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.160 You know, I just don't get it. It's like, I'm 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.000 all the itching and padding. You want to speak to 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.560 that tray? I got my you know, I'm rapid fire 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:28.120 right here quickly. For me, I found like cleaning the hair. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.560 So sometimes people take care straight out of the bag 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.840 and then start braiding with it. I actually see that 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:37.360 it's very common practice, and I think that's not good 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.600 to do in the condition the hair. And I think 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.040 that's a part of it. Now that cuts down on 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.280 all that itching. It cuts down a lot. There's also 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.439 just the regular maintenance to because some of us are 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:51.680 put braids in or protected solid and we just leave 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.679 it and we don't actually do the good maintenance with it. 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.159 And so there's also that causing a lot of itching. 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.720 But I know, say you're probably don't have way more. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.359