Speaker 1: You still need to know how to do finger waves
Speaker 1: and and and Roller says not to say depending on
Speaker 1: what part you are in the contract. I was getting
Speaker 1: Ray say, I don't talk about finger waves. Finger waves
Speaker 1: are huge in Baltimore. Still Style is still to be
Speaker 1: trying to give me finger ways, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I do not want finger waves. I hate them. We
Speaker 1: can see and she does it very well. What's up, everybody?
Speaker 1: I'm Gammy and this is positively gam Every week I
Speaker 1: have raw, in depth conversations with inspirational people pushing for
Speaker 1: change on everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness, to the
Speaker 1: current issues facing the black community. In this episode, we're
Speaker 1: going to continue my discussion on black hair with Jay
Speaker 1: Lasha and Stacy Ciceron. So if you miss part one,
Speaker 1: check out the previous episode where we dive into the
Speaker 1: history of black hair. So I want to welcome back
Speaker 1: to part two of our conversation on black hair. We
Speaker 1: have Jay Lasher once again and Stacy Cisseron. Welcome back, ladies,
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me again. Hey, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about hair care. Let's start with you, Stacy.
Speaker 1: When I think about hair care, I think about spiritual practices.
Speaker 1: I also think about self care as a young man,
Speaker 1: a young woman, and I'm thinking that the audience is
Speaker 1: mostly women, but I never like to leave my guys
Speaker 1: out because they into it. Two honey, okay, But self
Speaker 1: care on a spiritual level is so important, and self
Speaker 1: care on a physical level is so important. And as
Speaker 1: I'm getting old and trying to preserve the sexy honey,
Speaker 1: it's becoming quite obvious that it takes education and takes knowledge,
Speaker 1: it takes entrust. And where does this interest really come from?
Speaker 1: You know, is it being modeled to us? Are we
Speaker 1: learning it in schools? Are we learning it from friends?
Speaker 1: Are we learning it on social media? It really is
Speaker 1: something that we have to step up and do. And
Speaker 1: in our last conversation we spoke about where did this
Speaker 1: come from? Is this something that we wanted to do
Speaker 1: on our own or were just trying to impress people,
Speaker 1: or is this something we want to do for self?
Speaker 1: And it built down to self this. Your body is
Speaker 1: your temple, like you said, your hair is your crown.
Speaker 1: And if you can look at self care in that way,
Speaker 1: it should definitely trigger some type of interest in Europe
Speaker 1: on your behalf, not you, but us as a whole
Speaker 1: to want to be able to elevate that, to connect
Speaker 1: with ourselves and to really embrace our personal powers. So
Speaker 1: hair care for me, it's it's bigger than just aesthetics.
Speaker 1: It's about connecting with yourself and honoring yourself. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Jay, because I have to say that personally,
Speaker 1: I think that I've taken my hair for granted. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest about it. I've never it's hair, my hair.
Speaker 1: You cut it off, it'll grow back. That's always been
Speaker 1: my my my thinking about my hair. I never really
Speaker 1: had an issue with my hair growing. I never had
Speaker 1: that much concern about my hair because it pretty much
Speaker 1: did you know, I wanted it to do. I had
Speaker 1: really long hair growing up until I was about I
Speaker 1: don't know, in my thirties. I did the whole permit
Speaker 1: to keep it managed. I wish that I had the
Speaker 1: amount of product that we have now to help manage hair,
Speaker 1: because if I think, if I had known better, I
Speaker 1: would have done differently. But all I knew was too
Speaker 1: you got a lot of hair on your head, you
Speaker 1: need to permit so that you can manage it. And
Speaker 1: once you start that perming, it changes the texture of
Speaker 1: your hair, So then your hair just bec um this street.
Speaker 1: And now I stopped permiting my hair years ago because
Speaker 1: I got tired of permanent. I cut it off, and
Speaker 1: so then you don't have to permit. But then, like
Speaker 1: I talked about all the dying, just once again, the
Speaker 1: dying and the chemicals that are in dye will change
Speaker 1: the texture of your hair. And so I just don't
Speaker 1: think that I ever really cared that much about my hair.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought that up, because that's
Speaker 1: a whole different conversation that we're having based on the
Speaker 1: needs based on different hair types. Whereas queerly hair has
Speaker 1: need for moisture, has a need it's very fragile, although
Speaker 1: it has a course appearance, it needs its own product,
Speaker 1: it needs its own care, and whereas wavy and pearly
Speaker 1: here has different needs. So yeah, that might be something
Speaker 1: that you that needed little maintenance. But my point is
Speaker 1: he even outside of styling or having some kind of regiment,
Speaker 1: it is taking care of yourself and your hair is
Speaker 1: a part of that. Because the other part of the
Speaker 1: conversation is that, yeah, you could have taken it for
Speaker 1: granted because you didn't have the extra drama of having
Speaker 1: a coiled hair. Yeah. Yeah, Like my journey is very
Speaker 1: different than Willows m m yeah, I would say in
Speaker 1: this regard, I do feel pretty privileged. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: to say this because again, like having someone from the
Speaker 1: beginning who understood how to take care of my hair
Speaker 1: in its natural state. It I didn't realize that until
Speaker 1: you ask this question. Honestly, how that set me up
Speaker 1: for a completely different as a black girl and black woman.
Speaker 1: I didn't even pay attention to that, And that is
Speaker 1: something I took for having a woman my mother who
Speaker 1: could lay me across her lap bray my hair. Know
Speaker 1: what products? Do you know? I water to make it squiable? No,
Speaker 1: exactly what it is to make it beautiful and healthy
Speaker 1: and and easy. So I've always experienced my hair, not
Speaker 1: always mostly most of my life I experienced my hair
Speaker 1: is something that I could manage and do. I will
Speaker 1: say the period that I relaxed my hair and then
Speaker 1: went natural, relax or does change our texture. And so
Speaker 1: there were several years where even while it was natural,
Speaker 1: it had to grow out from whatever seek into my
Speaker 1: scalt because it was still affecting how it came out,
Speaker 1: and so it made it rougher, but it made it
Speaker 1: even more brittle. So I had to learn a lot
Speaker 1: about how to eat, how to nurture my hair, like
Speaker 1: I had to nurse it back to life over several
Speaker 1: years to get it to a place where it could
Speaker 1: be healthy. And I think the other thing stazy. You
Speaker 1: and I talked a little bit about the natural hair
Speaker 1: boom that happened from on. There were only small communities
Speaker 1: that made their own homemade products. So we're coming of age.
Speaker 1: I'm coming of age in a time where in the
Speaker 1: beginning the only thing that was available was like relaxers
Speaker 1: and and chemically based products for straightening care. There's a
Speaker 1: lot available for black hair in its natural stage. So
Speaker 1: we're experimenting trying to use those products on our natural hair,
Speaker 1: and it's not working. And so I had frustration point
Speaker 1: been too, because it wasn't I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: This is not my hair is not softened. But and
Speaker 1: so I just thought I had quote unquote bad. Oh.
Speaker 1: It's actually really soft and it's actually very it's more
Speaker 1: manageable this way. But I had to grow it out.
Speaker 1: I had to be differently. So it is a physical process,
Speaker 1: for sure. It's definitely also in spiritual process. Because the
Speaker 1: other thing we didn't talk about this, but I'll mention
Speaker 1: it hairstylence. Oh, and making sure that you have a hairstylist,
Speaker 1: because there's a good prince of hairstyle ists, the people
Speaker 1: who really understand your hands. It's really critical. Even when
Speaker 1: we go back to our ancestral roots. Again, the hairstyleist
Speaker 1: was a sacred person in the tribe. They were considered
Speaker 1: the most honest and trusted person, and they're almost like
Speaker 1: a priest in our history. And if you think about today,
Speaker 1: think about how sacred we hold our hairstyle. Yes, hairstyles.
Speaker 1: Some of us will fly, I will fly. My hairstylence
Speaker 1: is here. And so having someone who is in relation
Speaker 1: with you in a way that there's an intimate relationship
Speaker 1: with your hands. Everybody's hair is different. There isn't a
Speaker 1: such thing as oh, her hair is just like. No,
Speaker 1: there might be some similarities, but there are differences and
Speaker 1: we have to understand those. Now, this is a good
Speaker 1: perfect question for me and what happens to our hair
Speaker 1: as we age. There's again that's no one size fits all.
Speaker 1: And so with that because different people are affected by
Speaker 1: different things, so as we get older, our bodies are
Speaker 1: depleting itself at a more rapid rate of vitamins and nutrients,
Speaker 1: and we're losing different things that are sometimes out of
Speaker 1: our control, whether it is hereditary, whether it's hormones, whether
Speaker 1: it's stress related. And let's let's face it, I know
Speaker 1: I'll pe from my household. Majority of us in our
Speaker 1: household are not getting the proper nutrients through food. So aging,
Speaker 1: the effects of aging is ask for the person takes
Speaker 1: care of themselves. So you find that sometimes people are
Speaker 1: getting thinning. As the gray hair or the white hair
Speaker 1: comes in, it becomes way more resistant. It doesn't want
Speaker 1: to take cut, it doesn't want to take color, doesn't
Speaker 1: want to take style. So the main two things that
Speaker 1: are happening hereditarily, they are suffering from androgenetic alopecia or
Speaker 1: male pattern or female pattern balnus. So you'll start to
Speaker 1: see some thinning in the crown or in the front
Speaker 1: up their hair or even their hairlines. Some medications for
Speaker 1: high blood pressure diabetes are causing god. Low iron is
Speaker 1: also causing God. And these are some things that that
Speaker 1: people are going through. As their agent, So am I
Speaker 1: gonna be put in the position where I have no
Speaker 1: choice but to stop dying in my hair. Okay, time
Speaker 1: will tell, So it may and it may come. It
Speaker 1: may come where you don't have the hair, don't want
Speaker 1: to be colored, and will be for us to make
Speaker 1: a decision. But hopefully if that time comes, you would
Speaker 1: already be ready to see, be ready to submit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, you know what. I was gonna do it anyway. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're gonna pray on that. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you, although the gray or white
Speaker 1: hair may be resistant to some lifting colors, you can
Speaker 1: do a lot of fun colors with gray hair, like
Speaker 1: those pastel pinks, blues, purples, like you could be the
Speaker 1: hot mom blue before. I've done blue before, and I
Speaker 1: actually tried pink, but I looked like I was going
Speaker 1: to the circus. I had to take that out immediately.
Speaker 1: It just did not work, and I probably was the
Speaker 1: wrong color pink, but I just I didn't have the
Speaker 1: patients to even try to tone it down. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: just take it out. But the blue worth I actually
Speaker 1: like the pale blue. And my sister has gone my
Speaker 1: sister has gone lavender on some skin tones. It's just perfect.
Speaker 1: If you have a cool skin tone. Sometimes the blue
Speaker 1: looks good. If you have a warmer skin tone, sometimes
Speaker 1: a rusty like a pasto orange. Maybe you got a
Speaker 1: summer color, a little winter color. Yeah, yeah, Now Stacy
Speaker 1: talked to us about because there's this way of identifying
Speaker 1: your texture of hair for what is that. It's a
Speaker 1: language that started in the natural hair community. I believe
Speaker 1: I gotta do some fact check in on this, but
Speaker 1: I believe Andre Walker wrote a book over twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago about hair, and he created this number system
Speaker 1: which refers to the different hair type straight, waving, curly, coyly,
Speaker 1: and within that created a number system. The natural hair
Speaker 1: community then took that as part of their language. And
Speaker 1: then how it evolved was that now stylists needed to
Speaker 1: be able to communicate with their clients and they had
Speaker 1: to start to understand this, and so they bought act
Speaker 1: companies because before like you can now pick up a
Speaker 1: bottle curl cream and it will say for a type
Speaker 1: for hair or for a certain type of fear, whereas
Speaker 1: five to ten years ago you weren't able to do that.
Speaker 1: So let me just break it down a little bit.
Speaker 1: So based on this number system, the number system is
Speaker 1: between one to four. And I also want to preface
Speaker 1: system by saying, this number system is starting to become
Speaker 1: a little bit outdated and antiquated because of the fact
Speaker 1: that it was a big deal to know this number system.
Speaker 1: If you knew that you were for A three B
Speaker 1: four C, that was honey, you cracked the Da Vinci code. Okay,
Speaker 1: but we now know that you mentioned in our last
Speaker 1: conversation you have super fine straight here in the nape
Speaker 1: of your neck. You have a more curlier texture in
Speaker 1: the crown. You may have something different going on around
Speaker 1: your hair, your front hairline, so we know that there's
Speaker 1: different things going on. So you didn't really crack the code,
Speaker 1: but you made the first step. Within this number system,
Speaker 1: it ranges from one to four, one being the straightest
Speaker 1: or being the curliest coiliest at each and each letter
Speaker 1: refers to the degree of wave, curl, or coil. So
Speaker 1: right now, the tightest on this spectrum on this hair
Speaker 1: type chart is four C. But like I said, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit outdated and antiquated because this other patterns
Speaker 1: outside of that. But what I really like about this
Speaker 1: hair type chart is the fact that it makes it
Speaker 1: easy to communicate amongst each other to find products and
Speaker 1: to communicate with your hair stylists. Outside of that, you'd
Speaker 1: still need to know some other pieces to the puzzle.
Speaker 1: Like Jay, you mentioned that you tried the LLOC method
Speaker 1: the lock method and it didn't work and then you
Speaker 1: had to reverse it into the l CO. This is
Speaker 1: a moisture retention method. The reason why is that maybe
Speaker 1: you have low perosity here. So along with hair type straight, wavy, curlier, quearly,
Speaker 1: you gotta know your density, your perosity, and your hair texture,
Speaker 1: amongst other things so that you just don't waste time,
Speaker 1: energy and money trying to figure things out. It's no
Speaker 1: one size fits all, so you have to know your
Speaker 1: canvas that you're working on. You can't even rely on
Speaker 1: your assistance Auntie's cousins and best friends. You really have
Speaker 1: to do your own homework and again self discovery right,
Speaker 1: knowing yourself, your hair, what works for you. And that
Speaker 1: sounds like it's just a lot of experimentation, what product
Speaker 1: it's It requires experimentation, but it's easier when you know
Speaker 1: what you're working with. Okay, so you're not making decisions
Speaker 1: based on Willows recommendation or your sister or your Cousin's recommendation.
Speaker 1: You're going in the mirror, you're wetting your hair, You're
Speaker 1: seeing what hair type you have. Is your hair dense
Speaker 1: or is it thin? Is your hair forest or is
Speaker 1: it not? And then you're choosing products based on the
Speaker 1: end result you want. So let's face it, some people
Speaker 1: their goal is hang time. They want long, healthy hair,
Speaker 1: But some people want short, edgy and color in their hair.
Speaker 1: Are they going to follow the same regiment? So it's
Speaker 1: always important, just like in life, that you have intention
Speaker 1: and you have goals for your own hair and you
Speaker 1: choose the products accordingly. So in my opinion, that really
Speaker 1: helps to save time, energy, and money matters because that's
Speaker 1: that quickly is the process how to help you figure
Speaker 1: out going on exactly. So we're talking about hair care,
Speaker 1: and just for me, my hair care routine is pretty simple,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know what makes it. I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe I'm not doing everything that I want
Speaker 1: to do to take care of my hair. But my
Speaker 1: hair is pretty healthy. If I have to work, I
Speaker 1: usually will wash my hair the night before because I
Speaker 1: can style it better when it's fresh and clean. And
Speaker 1: of course when you're styling your hair, you end up
Speaker 1: putting product in it. So like I'm working today, I
Speaker 1: don't have to work tomorrow, but then I have to
Speaker 1: work again Friday. I have to work again on Sunday.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna end up washing my hair on Thursday,
Speaker 1: and then I'll wash my hair again on Saturdays. That's
Speaker 1: pretty typical for me. Yeah, there are some women. Men
Speaker 1: gotta throw my fellas in there, But there are some
Speaker 1: people that they, like you said, they may take for
Speaker 1: granted their haircare, but there's some things that could be
Speaker 1: going on that they completely ignore because they think it's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, like finning, changing the pictures, alopecia, breakage,
Speaker 1: and things like that. So those are things that you
Speaker 1: just even though you don't have a high maintenance regiment,
Speaker 1: there's still things that you want to keep your eyes
Speaker 1: open for. And Jay said having a good stylist will
Speaker 1: definitely help to reinforce that, but also reiterating there are
Speaker 1: people who are in that type four or highly textured
Speaker 1: poily hair that can't shampoo every two to three days
Speaker 1: and then don't need to and they don't need to
Speaker 1: and they don't need to. That's the other thing. Now
Speaker 1: I am shampooing, but I am in all of that.
Speaker 1: There's conditioner that's happening. I wear a head scarf when
Speaker 1: I go to sleep at night, even though I have
Speaker 1: short hair, I wear a scarf to tie my hair down.
Speaker 1: And I also sleep on a satin pillow, and so
Speaker 1: that's for my hair and for my skin or my face.
Speaker 1: So that's good definitely, because at the when we're talking
Speaker 1: about the skin or the aging skin or the aging
Speaker 1: hair hair, it's all about moisture retention and things you
Speaker 1: can do to keep the elasticity. So things like satin
Speaker 1: or silk pillow cases or satin caps are definitely great
Speaker 1: when it comes to moisture retention and reducing the amount
Speaker 1: of friction from your pillow or your sheets or external
Speaker 1: heat sources. I would say probably more than half of
Speaker 1: black women have experienced one or more of these issues
Speaker 1: like breakage, traction alopecia, frizziness, and dry scout, particularly traction alopecia,
Speaker 1: because I found that, like I said, this year was
Speaker 1: the first year that I tried braids, and I absolutely
Speaker 1: loved them. However, I have to say that I was
Speaker 1: in the chair for nine hours and one time when
Speaker 1: I got it done. It was so tight that I
Speaker 1: had to take tyling on. When I got home, my
Speaker 1: head was hurting, So my scout was hurting so bad
Speaker 1: and I could not sleep. I had to take tyling on.
Speaker 1: It hurt to lay down. My head was so it
Speaker 1: was so tight on my head. And then when I
Speaker 1: took it out, I felt like I definitely was seeing
Speaker 1: breakage or it seemed like there was some receding at
Speaker 1: my temples. And I don't know whether that's just from
Speaker 1: age or whether that was from the braids. So I
Speaker 1: was a little confused because I thought that braids were
Speaker 1: supposed to be a protective style. There a protective style
Speaker 1: when you have silence because me and was talking of
Speaker 1: that them sue somebody who does here and I just
Speaker 1: care for him. They understand like how to make sure
Speaker 1: that what is happening is good for you, Like you
Speaker 1: can have braids that don't hurt, like they shouldn't hurt,
Speaker 1: and if they do, you need to take those outs.
Speaker 1: But people don't want you because a lot of times
Speaker 1: I've been sitt in hours and hours You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: be world exactly for nine hours. So I used to
Speaker 1: do braves and weeks when I was doing here, that
Speaker 1: was my area of specialty, f evorite thing to do
Speaker 1: the protective styles. I love them, but now that I
Speaker 1: don't do it, when I give it back to other folks,
Speaker 1: WI be going to do. What I recommend is making
Speaker 1: sure that you tell your silas to do larger parties
Speaker 1: around the edges. Do not do the same size party
Speaker 1: as they would. And the thicker, of course, it's of
Speaker 1: your hair because the weight of the extension here can
Speaker 1: pool over time and then will pull your roots up.
Speaker 1: That in attention to any tension that the style is
Speaker 1: like off the style is is pooling too hard on
Speaker 1: your hair, it will pull your root up and we
Speaker 1: still cause you to lose hair. Sometimes that can be termitive.
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that whoever you're selected to
Speaker 1: do the brain understand like they understand how to take
Speaker 1: care of edges and how to take care of the
Speaker 1: make because those are very like tinder spaces on our
Speaker 1: scalth end. Usually our hair is a lot sinner and
Speaker 1: finer anybody's here, even those of us would like really
Speaker 1: course hare our hair is a lot sinner around the edges,
Speaker 1: and so we have to be very careful about the
Speaker 1: weight that we pull, you know that we put on it,
Speaker 1: and then addition to that, sometimes the length of the
Speaker 1: brains can cause problems, and so we just have to
Speaker 1: be really thoughtful about the style itself for our hair
Speaker 1: type as well as who is doing our style. Critical
Speaker 1: Protective styles got its name from what it does, which
Speaker 1: is protecting the hair. A lot of people that are
Speaker 1: looking to maintain healthy here or grow their healthy hair long.
Speaker 1: The key to that is really moisture, retension, and low manipulation,
Speaker 1: and what the protective styles offer you is a way
Speaker 1: to take the break from manipulating the hair. That counts
Speaker 1: for combing, brushing, pulling, ponytails, anything like that. So essentially,
Speaker 1: protective styles are supposed to protect your hair and give
Speaker 1: you a break. But like with anything else, too much
Speaker 1: of anything is just not good. Too much tension, too
Speaker 1: much pulling, too much of anything, wearing it too long,
Speaker 1: it's just not going to be good for the hair.
Speaker 1: And especially that your hair is more on the softer
Speaker 1: or finer side, anything that has that extra weight or
Speaker 1: egg has an extra tension will have the ability to
Speaker 1: maybe pull and pull your hair. So you may not
Speaker 1: have been seeing things you might have seen it correctly
Speaker 1: and it's great that you are aware of that, because
Speaker 1: some women men will continue to do that for the
Speaker 1: look and then end up receding their hair in back
Speaker 1: and Trade said, sometimes those are effects are not reversible. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what is the itching all about? What is that
Speaker 1: is it? Is it just because it's a foreign texture?
Speaker 1: You know, I just don't get it. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: all the itching and padding. You want to speak to
Speaker 1: that tray? I got my you know, I'm rapid fire
Speaker 1: right here quickly. For me, I found like cleaning the hair.
Speaker 1: So sometimes people take care straight out of the bag
Speaker 1: and then start braiding with it. I actually see that
Speaker 1: it's very common practice, and I think that's not good
Speaker 1: to do in the condition the hair. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a part of it. Now that cuts down on
Speaker 1: all that itching. It cuts down a lot. There's also
Speaker 1: just the regular maintenance to because some of us are
Speaker 1: put braids in or protected solid and we just leave
Speaker 1: it and we don't actually do the good maintenance with it.
Speaker 1: And so there's also that causing a lot of itching.
Speaker 1: But I know, say you're probably don't have way more.
Speaker 1: First of all, some people have allergies to can klan
Speaker 1: or torchiolon or all these different synthetic brands. Whether it's
Speaker 1: the dye, whether it's the hair itself. Some people have
Speaker 1: allergies to the actual fiber of the hair. Secondly, if
Speaker 1: you're somebody who has dry skin, not just on your
Speaker 1: if you have dry face, most likely dry arms, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a dry scalp and not pulling on the
Speaker 1: dry scalp can lead to itching. And also you can
Speaker 1: have allergies to the products. Some people like to oil
Speaker 1: their scalp. We could talk about that it's it's oil
Speaker 1: and the scalp more traditional or cultural or do we
Speaker 1: actually need it. So there's so many things that lead
Speaker 1: to itching. That product build up on the scalp, the
Speaker 1: dry scalp with the type raids, hair bumps, and sometimes allergies. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so somebody told me because when I first started having
Speaker 1: the itching problem, I was told to have the braighter,
Speaker 1: treat the hair with vinegar or apple side or something.
Speaker 1: What is that they're different now actual ingredients that helped
Speaker 1: to soothe itching, like uh, tea tree oil or rosemary
Speaker 1: oil or rose water or different things like that. They
Speaker 1: are calming camemeo like some te rences that really helped
Speaker 1: to calm the itching if it is due to maybe
Speaker 1: an allergic reaction or maybe some type of irritation on
Speaker 1: the scalp. They have these natural ingredients that helped to
Speaker 1: do that. But I always think it's great to find
Speaker 1: out what those triggers are that are causing the itching
Speaker 1: in the first place. I like to definitely do my research,
Speaker 1: but another like to give a one size fits all answer,
Speaker 1: because if you don't have dry scalp, there's really no
Speaker 1: need to necessarily quit oil on your scalp. I think
Speaker 1: that is one of those things that are traditional or
Speaker 1: cultural that we sat down on Sundays, and sometimes it's
Speaker 1: more of a habit, tradition or cultural rather than a necessity. Again,
Speaker 1: on superfine hair or soft hair, those things are going
Speaker 1: to weigh it down. It's going to of course the
Speaker 1: braves to slip out. It's gonna cause a lot of
Speaker 1: different It might be helping one thing but hurting the
Speaker 1: other things. But I remember Jada sitting down and oiling
Speaker 1: willow scalp and then having willow oil her scalp, and
Speaker 1: it was like a bonding time. It was great bonding
Speaker 1: time for them. So yeah, definitely moments of bonding. But
Speaker 1: now with hair care technology, we're realizing that it made
Speaker 1: not it might just be more bonding than scientific is.
Speaker 1: Our hair still susceptible to damage from perms. Over the years,
Speaker 1: they have perfected the perms. You have the perms that
Speaker 1: don't have lie anymore. So I feel like Number one,
Speaker 1: I wonder if people are perming their hair as much
Speaker 1: as they used to before. I feel like they're not.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not a stylist, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if it's still as damaging to the hair as it
Speaker 1: was when they backed when live was being used in
Speaker 1: the perms. The chemical pudio hydrop side is still in
Speaker 1: relaxes as far as I do, and that's a dangerous
Speaker 1: and so if it's being used, you still have to
Speaker 1: be extremely careful when you breathe the ful man. It
Speaker 1: does cause scar tissue to the lungs, especially for people
Speaker 1: who's breathing in all the time excidence. I remember when
Speaker 1: I used to do with relaxes on people's hair. It
Speaker 1: would change the texture of my hands. Yeah, it teats
Speaker 1: your skin, and so I they're still dangerous, but for
Speaker 1: people who are using them, especially for the silence who
Speaker 1: are using them, they should be like wearing masks, wearing gloves.
Speaker 1: You're not to put the chemical too coast to the
Speaker 1: scout those kinds of things. But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: that as many people are using relaxes after there was
Speaker 1: a sharp decline in the around twenty thirteen amount of
Speaker 1: money spent on chemical relaxes. So I know there's a ship.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have a full transparent moment right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I see why they call it premy crap. Okay, because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I've been natural for
Speaker 1: seven years. But when I started with relaxers, I started
Speaker 1: with pixie cuts. That was my thing. I tied my
Speaker 1: whole identity to this short Bob's pixie cuts. That was
Speaker 1: my thing. And sometimes I really miss it. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I really miss laying. I'm really like child
Speaker 1: I used the LAO anyway. See I'm feeling it now.
Speaker 1: But I would say that even though there is advancements
Speaker 1: in technology about no LIE and LIE relaxing sodium hydroxide,
Speaker 1: there's technically LIE, but there's calcium hydroxide. There are other
Speaker 1: things that can that are underneath the LIE category, but
Speaker 1: federal regulations allow them to say no, lie. But if
Speaker 1: you are going to use it, you gotta, like Jay said,
Speaker 1: you gotta perceive with caution. But with all that being said,
Speaker 1: I do miss it at times. I just have to
Speaker 1: share that and just have a real moment. I haven't done.
Speaker 1: I haven't done a relaxed her in so many years.
Speaker 1: But that's the way. That's the way we're moving into.
Speaker 1: My daughters don't have it, my mother doesn't have a relaxer.
Speaker 1: I think I've influenced a lot of people to take
Speaker 1: this walk, take this journey of self discovery. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so I'm telling you, ladies, your hair is just absolutely beautiful,
Speaker 1: and take a walk down memory lane. But you're on
Speaker 1: the right path right now. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the conversation. Okay, what's one
Speaker 1: thing you want to get off your chest? I think
Speaker 1: the most important thing is that we just really try
Speaker 1: to do our part too, move push the needle and
Speaker 1: move the movement forward. And there's so many different things
Speaker 1: and so many things that we can do, but we
Speaker 1: really just have to find our lane, find our voice
Speaker 1: and what we're good at, and really just drill a
Speaker 1: hole in that. And for me, it is beauty, education,
Speaker 1: self care, self love, just tapping into self and embracing
Speaker 1: their personal power, find a way to link up and
Speaker 1: do it together. I love that. I love that. I
Speaker 1: totally agree that we all have a thing that we
Speaker 1: can do. And what I was thinking about final thoughts,
Speaker 1: I thought about, I've been an activists and an educator
Speaker 1: all of my life. I'm run a nonprofit cob Book
Speaker 1: and we have four killers affirmation, the colonization, organization, and innovation.
Speaker 1: And when I thought about the conversation that we just had,
Speaker 1: I felt like we touched on all those different topics.
Speaker 1: It's important that we promote self love. It is important
Speaker 1: that we understand like the history and history that we
Speaker 1: come from, so that we do not feel that we
Speaker 1: are lesser than that we are inferior. But these other
Speaker 1: pieces that we talked about in part two, the organization
Speaker 1: and innovation pieces, making sure that we are aware of
Speaker 1: what's out there that we have done past and present
Speaker 1: and pulling that together in a a strategic way. And
Speaker 1: then this innovation piece us being creative and willing to
Speaker 1: step outside of the box and do something that we
Speaker 1: haven't done before. Really like, I'm really big about us
Speaker 1: supporting our youth genius. Really really enjoyed Willows energy and
Speaker 1: her free thought, and I think we need more of that,
Speaker 1: the willingness to be someone who can say I don't
Speaker 1: have to be in this box. We can't do something else.
Speaker 1: That was then, this is now. We need that and
Speaker 1: we need to as big sisters Auntie's, grandma's, mama's um,
Speaker 1: father's calls. We need to support that more, that free thought,
Speaker 1: because that is how we're going to actually get out
Speaker 1: of this hierarchy of power. Tell us where people can
Speaker 1: find you on social media. I'll tide of saying thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. This has been an honor and
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. If anyone wants to continue um
Speaker 1: talking with me at any point, you can find me
Speaker 1: on my website David Shay dot com, where I continue
Speaker 1: with freedom Activision of all sorts, perfect and Stacy. I
Speaker 1: would concur thank you so much for giving me the
Speaker 1: opportunity to use my voice, and if you want to
Speaker 1: continue the conversation with me, I'm offering education to hairstylists
Speaker 1: and everyday women about how to manage and maintain highly
Speaker 1: textured Here you can find me at Stacey cismon dot com.
Speaker 1: Thank you lady so much. It was such a pleasure
Speaker 1: talking with you. Please continue to do the work because
Speaker 1: you are the representation that we need to keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you. This is my takeaway
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, girl is your hair,
Speaker 1: whether you bought it or grew it, do whatever makes
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