Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Buco
Speaker 1: Territory presented to you bye the Foul Territory Network. I'm
Speaker 1: Noah Hiles. Joining me as always is my good pal
Speaker 1: Platinum Key aka Mark Josh Harrison. Still on vacation, he'll
Speaker 1: be back later this week, and we've got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. The Pirates go three and three on
Speaker 1: their six game homestand in Pittsburgh they take two of
Speaker 1: three from the Seattle Mariners. They lose two of three,
Speaker 1: but avoid a sweep with a win on Sunday over
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds. We're gonna talk about that. How they
Speaker 1: still stay at five hundred. Jared Jones is gonna be
Speaker 1: a subject of discussion in this show. Hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about why and what happens if it continues,
Speaker 1: and then we will always wrap up our Monday episodes
Speaker 1: with Platinum Keys Key of the Week Mark. Let's start
Speaker 1: it off though, reviewing this past week in Pirates base Ball.
Speaker 1: It started bad. They got crushed by the Mariners. Then
Speaker 1: it got good. They won against the Mariners. They crushed
Speaker 1: the Mariners. Everyone was cooking me online for my callum
Speaker 1: saying they shouldn't be buyers at the deadline.
Speaker 2: Whyeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the reason I'm pessimistic came to Fruition
Speaker 1: on Friday and Saturday, where they lost a pair of
Speaker 1: very winnable ball games. Friday nights being one with Paul
Speaker 1: Skins on the mound they've lost eight straight when he started.
Speaker 1: And then Saturdays, I mean, that was one of their
Speaker 1: more demoralizing losses of the year, just being down to
Speaker 1: your final strike, a guy you tried to sign in
Speaker 1: the offseason takes the deep. But then they bounce back
Speaker 1: with Sunday Mark, I mean, overall your just thoughts on
Speaker 1: the home stand and you know, hey, another week back
Speaker 1: at five hundred. It seems like that's just where they
Speaker 1: are right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, the one optimistic takeaway is that this team
Speaker 3: gets right back up when they get knocked down, which
Speaker 3: I mean that take that for what it will. The
Speaker 3: fact that they're getting knocked down so often not great.
Speaker 3: But we've seen Pirates teams in the past where they'd
Speaker 3: have these losses and just get to moralize, it felt like,
Speaker 3: and let that bleed over into the next game and
Speaker 3: the next game, in the next game, and suddenly you're
Speaker 3: completely out of it. And that's the one thing I
Speaker 3: like about this twenty twenty six team where I felt
Speaker 3: like this home stand was reflective of that, where they
Speaker 3: got their teeth kicked in a couple of times and
Speaker 3: got right back up off the mat and like, that's good,
Speaker 3: but you need to figure out how to avoid those
Speaker 3: punches in the first place, and they just could not
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: We saw Paul.
Speaker 3: Skeins throw his worst ending of his career on Friday
Speaker 3: night in the second inning. That didn't feel good as
Speaker 3: a fan. And then to follow it up with the
Speaker 3: next night, like you said, down to one strike, I
Speaker 3: had my like raise it tweet, ready to go, preloaded ready.
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, this won't jinx it. It did,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's just it was tough.
Speaker 2: I mean, luckily kind of got to wash some of
Speaker 2: that away.
Speaker 3: On Sunday, Ryan O'Hearn really stepped up with his two
Speaker 3: home run game, had four RBI s Maylan Valdez just
Speaker 3: continues to tear the cover off the ball. Had a
Speaker 3: four hundred, sixty, four hundred and sixty one foot bomb
Speaker 3: on Sunday as well. After he had a home run Saturday,
Speaker 3: I want to say either Friday.
Speaker 1: Or three straight games with the home run yep, okay.
Speaker 3: Ops over a thousand right now, So just really that
Speaker 3: stood out to me. But yeah, it was a little
Speaker 3: a roller coaster of a home stand to.
Speaker 4: Put it lately.
Speaker 3: What were your takeaways from it?
Speaker 1: Kind of the epitome of this team season. You'll go
Speaker 1: through one whole week thinking they stink. Oh they're really good,
Speaker 1: they could compete, they stink okay, Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: just the roller coaster that it is. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get a little bit of good starting pitching and get
Speaker 1: a little bit of bad starting pitching. I thought the
Speaker 1: bullpen minus Saturday, was pretty good right this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they allowed a run against the
Speaker 3: Mariners entire series.
Speaker 1: Right, And I mean I thought they were good in
Speaker 1: Colorado last weekend, like they I think the bullpen has
Speaker 1: been a lot better. But you can't say they had
Speaker 1: a good weekend because or a good week because they
Speaker 1: blew save and it was a multi run lead that
Speaker 1: got erased. So yeah, you can't. You can't feel great
Speaker 1: about the bullpen. I mean the offense had a really
Speaker 1: good week. Uh just all together, they crushed the ball
Speaker 1: against I mean they took advantage of Mariner's pitching.
Speaker 2: Oh, I will say on Sunday, they they loaded the.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean they still scored eight runs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they scored eight runs, and like, yes, they left the
Speaker 1: bases loaded. Yeah, nine runs. They left the bases loaded.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you still scored
Speaker 1: nine runs. So could it have been better? Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I mean if you're still scoring nine runs, you're still
Speaker 1: scoring nine runs. So that's how I look at it.
Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, it's just this team's treading water. And
Speaker 1: I guess that's okay, right, like you're not imploding, But
Speaker 1: when you look ahead at the rest of the schedule,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard to do. Like this is
Speaker 1: the kind of thing they need to be doing in
Speaker 1: July really when you look at July's schedule, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna need to continue treading water because I just don't
Speaker 1: see them pressing forward anytime soon with the injuries that
Speaker 1: they're facing and the flaws that they have parlayed with
Speaker 1: the competition that they're going to be facing. It'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see because I think once you get to
Speaker 1: August the schedule lightens up, you'll have a team that's
Speaker 1: probably going to be a lot healthier. Probably it will
Speaker 1: have some additional help based off of trades you make,
Speaker 1: and you can finish these last two months strong. But man,
Speaker 1: you've got a whole other month of trying to win
Speaker 1: games the way they've won games, and it's it's it
Speaker 1: has not looked easy, but they're finding a way to
Speaker 1: do it half the time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and we'll see if that continues when you're
Speaker 3: playing teams like the Phillies or the Braves coming up
Speaker 3: here in the next couple of weeks, where they're a
Speaker 3: little bit better competition than the Reds and the Mariners.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we're gonna take a quick break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to talk about Jared Jones,
Speaker 1: his struggles and what the Pirates should do about him. Here,
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Speaker 1: All right, Jared Jones, Uh, he's been back for about
Speaker 1: a month now, and Uh, I'll be the one to
Speaker 1: say it. He hasn't been very good.
Speaker 2: He's said it himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he said it himself. There have been a
Speaker 1: couple of good starts. I mean, I do think he's
Speaker 1: kind of like every other starting pitcher, is screwed a
Speaker 1: little bit by the defense, but overall, I mean, you
Speaker 1: just look at the run value on his pitches right now,
Speaker 1: the four scene fastball, that's his bread and butter, it's
Speaker 1: a negative to run value. The slider, which is when
Speaker 1: it's working, like when in twenty twenty four his slider
Speaker 1: had a seven run value. That's really good. It's got
Speaker 1: a negative one right now. The change up, which he's
Speaker 1: throwing a lot more of, is a negative, and the curveball,
Speaker 1: which was never really been that good, is negative two.
Speaker 1: So Mark, I'll just ask you this. We don't need
Speaker 1: to break down anymore, like how's how bad he's been?
Speaker 1: But what do you do if this continues with Jared?
Speaker 1: Because moving into the bullpen is asking for Carmen Maginski
Speaker 1: two point zero? It just is, yeah, like he hates
Speaker 1: it just as much as Carmen, and he can be
Speaker 1: just as you know, bullheaded as Carmen. So what do
Speaker 1: you do if this continues?
Speaker 3: That's a great question because you can't just let him
Speaker 3: continue to go out there and give up home runs
Speaker 3: or get sheld and give up hard contact constantly. We've
Speaker 3: seen the flashes where he looks good where he can
Speaker 3: get the whiffs, his fast ball philosophies right there, but
Speaker 3: the results just have domp been And yeah, it's like,
Speaker 3: at what point do you take him out of the rotation?
Speaker 3: And if you do, what do you do with him?
Speaker 3: Do you send him down to TRIPAA to get right
Speaker 3: or do you move him into like a back end
Speaker 3: of the bullpen roll where you maybe have him be
Speaker 3: like a closer where a lot of people say, like
Speaker 3: the fastball slider combo could work as a closer, could
Speaker 3: work as a reliever, But at the same time, his
Speaker 3: ceiling as a potential like starting pitcher is so high
Speaker 3: I think, is it? I like to think so, I know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like his twenty twenty four season was good,
Speaker 3: it wasn't great. He was twenty two. He gave up
Speaker 3: a lot of hard contact. Guys were barreling him a lot,
Speaker 3: and the Pirates defense was able to back him up
Speaker 3: on that, and a lot of that hard contact was
Speaker 3: more like ground balls than as well, so that benefited him.
Speaker 3: Now he's letting guys hit balls into the air. There's
Speaker 3: no defense behind him. And yeah, it's I mean, I
Speaker 3: still think he has a lot of ceiling. He's, like
Speaker 3: you said, small sample size here, he's just coming back.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's been concerning so far. What would
Speaker 3: you do with him if the struggles continue.
Speaker 1: I've moved to the bullpen and say, look, dude, this
Speaker 1: is where you're gonna be. Like I mean, I voiced
Speaker 1: on our show on Friday, or last weekend or last Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I believe about my desire for them to acquire another starter,
Speaker 1: just because you just don't have guys that are covering
Speaker 1: enough innings right now. And Jared that's just something he's
Speaker 1: not gonna do. And I don't know if he'll ever
Speaker 1: do it. Like I get the potential of what Jared
Speaker 1: can do. His stuff's nasty. He was a top one
Speaker 1: hundred prospect. Hell, he's a top twenty five prospect at
Speaker 1: one time for Baseball America. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like we really put the card ahead of the
Speaker 1: horse here, ye with Jones just anointing him as like
Speaker 1: this show thing when he really had like two and
Speaker 1: a half good months of baseball in the majors. That's it.
Speaker 1: And since then there have been other guys who I
Speaker 1: think are just more promising. Like if I were giving
Speaker 1: out extensions right now the Pirates starting pitchers, I could
Speaker 1: think of four off the top of my head. I'd
Speaker 1: rather pay before Jared. It'd be Skeens, It'd be Ashcraft,
Speaker 1: it would be Bubba Chandler, who I think has a
Speaker 1: way higher seiling than Jared Jones. And I would extend
Speaker 1: Seth Hernandez before I would Jared Jones, who's still probably
Speaker 1: a few years away from the major leagues, at least
Speaker 1: one full year. And I'm not trying to dog on
Speaker 1: the guy, like I think Jared's good, but the reality is,
Speaker 1: like this guy just might be a relief pitcher and
Speaker 1: or at least this version of him, because he's clearly,
Speaker 1: you know, working his way back into it, and he
Speaker 1: might be a starter again one day, but I don't know. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: if you could just get Carmen and Jared to buy
Speaker 1: into being relief pitchers and then you go go out
Speaker 1: and acquire a left handed starter or something that you
Speaker 1: have shown the ability to identify at the major league
Speaker 1: level year after year after year, I think this team
Speaker 1: is so much better with how some of the other
Speaker 1: right handed relievers like Mattson's look good over the last
Speaker 1: couple of outings. Dennis Santana minus Rockies outing has been
Speaker 1: really good as of late. So I think you fix
Speaker 1: your you fix your bullpen if you move that, and
Speaker 1: I think that that would be better off for Jared.
Speaker 1: It'd be better off for Carmen too, but right now,
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, I'd rather have Carmen in the starting
Speaker 1: rotation than Jared Jones. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you do though, because again, clearly like they take how
Speaker 1: these guys will react to things into the equation. It's
Speaker 1: not a just it's not as simple as here's how
Speaker 1: it's gonna go. I'm the boss, here the employee do
Speaker 1: this should work like that. But it doesn't, at least
Speaker 1: not as black and white as what I just described
Speaker 1: it to be, because we've seen there be pushback from
Speaker 1: both of those guys. But I think this team would
Speaker 1: be better off with both of them in the bullpen
Speaker 1: and going out and getting a fifth true starter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that just opens up completely. You know what
Speaker 3: Ben Harrington can do before this trade deadline? You know
Speaker 3: if yeah, it throws a starter into the mix as
Speaker 3: well as if you find a bullpen option that works great,
Speaker 3: But if not, you can move Jared into the bullpen
Speaker 3: and that's your new bullpen piece that you just acquired.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it's a bad plan if Jared
Speaker 3: buys into it, and I mean hopefully like that he
Speaker 3: knows that he struggles or he's struggling right now, so
Speaker 3: maybe that will help him buy in to the B
Speaker 3: word now that he's seen the results of him as
Speaker 3: a starter. But I don't know. I wouldn't bet on that, So.
Speaker 1: No, I mean either, and I'll say this as we
Speaker 1: wrap up this segment. Like we mentioned in the first segment,
Speaker 1: July is going to be a huge test for this team.
Speaker 1: There's not a player on this team who needs to
Speaker 1: step up more than Jared Jones. Yeah, because I mean
Speaker 1: the bullpen. Like you could say, like, oh yeah, if
Speaker 1: Brandon Bedoir or whoever, but like and even if Mattson
Speaker 1: and Santana continue to get better, like that's great, that's
Speaker 1: gonna help the long term aspect of the team. But
Speaker 1: right now they need Jared to give them six or
Speaker 1: at least five, and it's got to be five with
Speaker 1: at least like three or less runs more often than not,
Speaker 1: he's got to give him something better. He hasn't. He hasn't.
Speaker 1: He's had one good start since he's been back. He's
Speaker 1: had one good start, So.
Speaker 2: Not good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna take another quick break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We wrap up the show with Platinum Keys Key of
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Speaker 3: All right, now for my Key of the Week segment,
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Speaker 3: This week's key of the week is a guy who
Speaker 3: is just burst onto the scene, a guy we talked
Speaker 3: about earlier this season as someone that is a fan
Speaker 3: favorite that we'd love to see get an opportunity this year,
Speaker 3: and he finally has that opportunity now. With Spencer Horwartz
Speaker 3: missing time until it sounds like after the all start break,
Speaker 3: Ben Sherrington said he's gonna miss weeks probably or weeks,
Speaker 3: not days, So prepare for Spencer Horward to be out
Speaker 3: for a little bit. And my key of the week
Speaker 3: is as Marilyn Valdez continue to step up, continue to
Speaker 3: play him every single day. Right now, he's on a
Speaker 3: complete tear. As Noah mentioned earlier, home runs in his
Speaker 3: last three games ops up to one thousand and one now,
Speaker 3: just tearing the cover off the ball, doing it in
Speaker 3: multiple situations where he started the game as right field
Speaker 3: he hit a home run, coming as a pinch hitter,
Speaker 3: just doing whatever this team needs. And in a situation
Speaker 3: where this team really needs someone to step up, where
Speaker 3: one of your best hitters, your leadoff hitter, goes down,
Speaker 3: and so I just my key of the week is
Speaker 3: just continue to do that as Maryland continue to play him,
Speaker 3: because I think he'll just run with this opportunity. He
Speaker 3: struggled a little bit against fastballs, but when the breaking
Speaker 3: ball comes in, he is taking full advantage of that opportunity.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: Maybe he continues with the extra opportunities here, you know,
Speaker 3: learning to hit that fastball relatively quick.
Speaker 2: He has made some.
Speaker 3: Serious adjustments in the minors and really blew onto the
Speaker 3: prospects scene. Was that two years ago or a year ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Last year?
Speaker 3: Last year, Yeah, and then the Arizona Fall League in
Speaker 3: the off season and all that. So love seeings Marilyn succeed.
Speaker 3: Just a great guy, seems easy to root for, has
Speaker 3: fun out there, leaves in himself, believes in this team,
Speaker 3: and I think him continue to succeed is key for
Speaker 3: the Pirates in a four game series coming up against
Speaker 3: the Phillies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, losing Spencer's tough, but when you get
Speaker 1: Connor Griffin back to that lead off and then you
Speaker 1: get a little bit of that pop with Esmalyn, I
Speaker 1: mean he's been he's been great, and I mean him
Speaker 1: developing into an everyday player, which I'm still not sure
Speaker 1: if he is. This year. I think he can be
Speaker 1: a really good fourth outfielder or bench guy and like
Speaker 1: someone who can start and stretches whenever there's an injury.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's trending like he will be
Speaker 1: like an everyday player for this team eventually. And that's
Speaker 1: a huge win for their international scouting, which has been horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it just totally nothing.
Speaker 3: Nothing like the last like homegrown.
Speaker 4: Player.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they they need to find more guys
Speaker 1: like this, and you know, the Pirates should hope that
Speaker 1: this is kind of the first step in the right direction,
Speaker 1: a win for a guy like that who wasn't a
Speaker 1: high rated prospect. I mean, no one even knew about
Speaker 1: him two years ago. I remember writing him in our
Speaker 1: pipeline reports that we used to write every Monday with
Speaker 1: the PG and uh, you know, like he had a
Speaker 1: good whatever in Bradenton in twenty twenty four and then
Speaker 1: in Greensboro towards the end and he just kind of
Speaker 1: caught fire and hasn't cooled down since last season. So
Speaker 1: he's an easy guy to root for. And I mean, pop, man,
Speaker 1: if you're hitting the ball, you're hitting a home run
Speaker 1: every day, they'll find a spot for you.
Speaker 2: See what he does, which I think is crucial. It's
Speaker 2: huge kind of what show exactly.
Speaker 3: And so when you get counter or I got counter back,
Speaker 3: but when you get O'Neill back from injury, maybe that's
Speaker 3: the time where if Ozoon is still struggling and Valdez
Speaker 3: is still mashing and able to be your fourth out feeler,
Speaker 3: especially against lefties. Yeah, that opens up so much for
Speaker 3: your lineup, just getting a zoooning off this team. As
Speaker 3: we've said multiple times with opening up that d H
Speaker 3: is spot to be a rotation than just once person.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Well, before I give Mark his
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Speaker 1: final thoughts before we wrap up another episode.
Speaker 3: One final thought just a shout out to Tyler Callahan.
Speaker 3: He is looking like a major League ballplayer, and I
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting the most necessarily from him. The Pirates acquired
Speaker 3: him in the Kyle Nicholas trade, and so I, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of these like utility infielders in
Speaker 3: the past. Alex Stump, you know, tweeted out the long
Speaker 3: list of all these players that the Pirates have similar
Speaker 3: to Callahan that have just kind of fizzled out your Josh, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And it's just really been nice to see the energy
Speaker 3: Callahan brings. And he's really stepped up and looked good.
Speaker 3: His wing looks nice. Uh, played some pre solid defense,
Speaker 3: has flexibility, can shift him all around. So I don't
Speaker 3: know how much I want him to be like played necessarily,
Speaker 3: but it's been really really nice seeing him succeed when
Speaker 3: he is given a chance to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he he and Valdez both have been
Speaker 1: great in their roles. That's really all I have to
Speaker 1: say too. It's a big, big week of Bucco Baseball.
Speaker 1: As always, we'll be here to cover it. Josh will
Speaker 1: be back with us on our next show. He's Platinum
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