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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast mL berman

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Speaker 1: with us. The book is Mojave Mysteries. mL, of course,

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Speaker 1: as an outdoorsman, desert enthusiast, author and host of Mohave

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Speaker 1: Mysteries as well as the writer behind the acclaimed western

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Speaker 1: horror series of novels featuring monster Hunter and Cowboy character

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Speaker 1: Jay Everett Earl, often referred to as the Rod Serling

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Speaker 1: of the Desert. His books and video series detail the strange, bizarre,

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Speaker 1: and paranormal aspects of the vast Mojave Desert. They've thrilled

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Speaker 1: and captivated audiences all over the planet. mL, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. You were on with our colleague and about

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Speaker 1: a year ago, weren't you, Yes, there was. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. It's good to have you here, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for donating an hour for us. I really appreciate it. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: no problem now, the Mohave Desert. I was just going

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Speaker 1: through the jurisdictions of where it is. What is so

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Speaker 1: unusual about this desert. It's really it's two things. One,

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Speaker 1: it's a hostile environment. I mean it's it's an environment

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Speaker 1: of extremes. You can if you go to Death Valley,

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Speaker 1: like you said, you can be on the hottest place

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Speaker 1: on the planet at times, there's poisonous animals, There's all

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Speaker 1: sorts of ways to get lost. And that's the second

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Speaker 1: thing is areas of it are very remote. There's places

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Speaker 1: you can go and disappear or be disappeared. There's a

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Speaker 1: reason the military has some of their most secret installations

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Speaker 1: out there. It's, you know, it's a great place to

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Speaker 1: go if you're trying to get away from something you've done,

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Speaker 1: or you want to do something that you don't want

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Speaker 1: people to see. It is vast. Oh yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: people don't really realize. I mean, to most people, the

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Speaker 1: if they're la to Phoenix or up to Vegas or

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. They don't realize in between those points

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Speaker 1: there is just vast areas of open desert and semi

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Speaker 1: remote desert. Him what's the connection to the strange of

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Speaker 1: the paranormal How did that happen? Well, for myself personally,

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Speaker 1: I first came to the desert back in the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 1: and I had just been exploring, interested in just camping

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Speaker 1: and looking at old minds and historical stuff. And once

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Speaker 1: I got out here and I started meeting people, I

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Speaker 1: found everybody had a story. Everybody had, you know, some

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Speaker 1: campfire tale or something weird that happened to them, or

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Speaker 1: started collecting them and being into history, I started looking

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Speaker 1: at historical accounts, and I started matching things up, like

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Speaker 1: some phenomenons seems to have a pedigree that goes back

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Speaker 1: not decades, but hundreds of years. And you could find

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Speaker 1: articles in the old newspapers from the eighteen hundreds. You

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Speaker 1: could find journals, different stuff that talked about a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that people were talking about today, UFOs, cryptid,

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Speaker 1: strangeness is how I frequently describe it, because there's things

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Speaker 1: you read and discover and hear about that that just

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Speaker 1: leave your head, you know, you scrabe your head like yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And if you go to my YouTube channel, you say,

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Speaker 1: I have have done episodes where I'll actually show the history

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Speaker 1: and some of the old articles I found, and I

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Speaker 1: mean just crazy stuff, like the story I did on

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Speaker 1: these rail road workers that they That's the thing. The

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Speaker 1: So I had heard a variation of that from some truckers,

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Speaker 1: and I heard one real interesting one where a guy

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Speaker 1: guy standing there in a long duster, like a leather duster,

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Speaker 1: sign saying, you know, forty more miles, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he just kind of looked at the guys. He was

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Speaker 1: with his wife, the driver. He pulled out, and this

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Speaker 1: is at night, and they drove about an hour and

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Speaker 1: out in the middle of the desert near Nipton. They

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Speaker 1: came to an underpass and here was the guy standing

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Speaker 1: there with the same sign, and he was like, no

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Speaker 1: one had passed me, this is like three in the morning.

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Speaker 1: This is a Twilight Zone episode, Yeah, exactly. So he goes,

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Speaker 1: no one had passed me, and he's still there. So

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Speaker 1: we drove by kind of looked at each other like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that was weird. He goes, We'd go

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Speaker 1: down maybe another half hour and here's the guy again,

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Speaker 1: standing at the edge of a pull off. You know,

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Speaker 1: they have to break pull off things for trucks out there,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, half of me wanted

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Speaker 1: who this guy is. But his wife was like, no way,

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Speaker 1: he had related that to me in after we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this road ghost ideas, and that was something

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Speaker 1: that had personally happened to him. So I went and

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Speaker 1: started looking at, Okay, is this something that's reported a

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Speaker 1: And I found all these articles from the early nineteen

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Speaker 1: hundreds in the late eighteen hundreds about and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've heard this term the headless brakeman, which was like

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Speaker 1: the railroad guys would be going through the desert at

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Speaker 1: night and they'd see lights swinging. It looked like someone

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Speaker 1: swinging on a red lantern, you know, a brakeman's lantern,

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Speaker 1: down the rail, and they'd stop and they'd get out,

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Speaker 1: and there wouldn't be anybody there, but the rail would

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Speaker 1: or you know, something that would have wrecked the train

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Speaker 1: had they not seen these lights. And some people reported

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Speaker 1: seeing a figure standing there by the tracks swinging the light,

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Speaker 1: but they could never get close enough to talk to him,

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Speaker 1: and they nicknamed him the headless brakeman because there was

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Speaker 1: a story that a brakeman had died in a wreck

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Speaker 1: and his head had been severed, and this was his

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Speaker 1: Now I went back even farther, and I found that

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Speaker 1: there was the exact same type thing with stagecoach drivers

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Speaker 1: would be by the side of the road or by

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Speaker 1: a water hole or a changing station, and that they

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Speaker 1: could never get close enough, but would be standing there

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Speaker 1: watching them or trying to signal them. And I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. Here's something that kind of it's a

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Speaker 1: ghost story in that it's a spectral figure that no

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Speaker 1: one can actually get a handle on, but it also

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Speaker 1: has a phenomenon that repeats through almost two hundred years

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Speaker 1: of interaction with travelers out on the roads. Listen to

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