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Speaker 1: On today's Drive to the Draft Podcast, We've got top

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Speaker 1: ten edge rushers who are people too high on? Who

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Speaker 1: are people too low on? And then we've got a

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Speaker 1: commander's mock draft if we want.

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Speaker 2: To pick an edge at seven, interesting.

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Speaker 1: How the board falls, and we've got the fastest forty

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Speaker 1: best player available versus Team Need it all starts right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I am

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Speaker 3: just a guy, Jason here with Logan pauls in ten

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Speaker 3: year NFL VET. Logan, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you too, man as always love talking

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Speaker 1: draft with you, love just hanging out, and it's good

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Speaker 1: to see you today.

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Speaker 3: On just hanging out with someone, Yeah, they're hanging out.

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Speaker 3: That's what friends do. And you and I very good friends.

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Speaker 3: In fact, we're such good friends that you gave me

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Speaker 3: a ride both to and from the airport.

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Speaker 4: That's a big deal. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Anybody that has friends knows when that friend asks you, Hey,

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Speaker 3: can you give me a ride to the airport or

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Speaker 3: pick me up? It's like so only true friends who

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Speaker 3: really do it pay no mind that we're on the

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Speaker 3: same flight going to the same place and it's for work.

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Speaker 3: You still I hopped in your car, you drive me around.

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Speaker 3: True friend. That's right, true friend, Well we have a

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Speaker 3: great one. Today we're going to start getting into our

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Speaker 3: positional rankings. So we're going to start off with I

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Speaker 3: think one of the more fun positions in the class.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about them a lot. So here are

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Speaker 3: the top ten edge defenders according to you and to me.

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Speaker 3: We'll both give each other our list. And I just

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Speaker 3: want to say before this starts, Logan, at least on

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Speaker 3: my end, this top ten for me is going to

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Speaker 3: be pretty fluid from this point all the way up

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Speaker 3: to the draft. I would say, don't lock these in,

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Speaker 3: but as of right now, this is where they stand

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Speaker 3: for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really glad you said that because I think

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Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent right. Like, and I also wanted

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Speaker 1: to say, like, I watched a lot of guys for this.

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Speaker 1: I probably watch close to twenty guys, but I did

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Speaker 1: not watch our Mason Thomas, which I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans have been asked me about, and Joshua Joseph's

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee. So like this is still kind of a

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Speaker 1: work in progress, right, We're still I like to get

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Speaker 1: at least two games on each guy. For most of

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Speaker 1: So you know this this list is yeah, very fluid,

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Speaker 1: and obviously with the combine coming up, like hopefully we're

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Speaker 1: like the film is excellent, it's just questions about overall

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Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, we've talked several times about this process

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Speaker 3: that you want to look at the tape, the film,

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Speaker 3: what they put in college and their performance. Then these

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Speaker 3: All Star games if they go to them, the shrine

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Speaker 3: the senior who all these bowls, and then that third

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Speaker 1: And the other thing too, I think, you know, for

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Speaker 1: Another thing that I noticed when I was doing these

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hey, so let's get into it. I'm saying I

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Speaker 4: Who do you got?

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Speaker 1: lose them. So mine were very similar. I think mine

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Speaker 3: We both have TJ. Parker at number eight. So let's

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Speaker 1: He has the spin move, he's got a cross shop,

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Speaker 2: He's two hundred and thirty three pounds.

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Speaker 1: He's also twenty five years old, so he's a little

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Speaker 2: So again that's why he's my tenth spot.

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Speaker 1: Again, probably a little bit of selection bias there, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So for me, the reason I had in Romelo

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Speaker 3: height just out and we're nitpicking with Gabe Yakis. You're right,

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Speaker 3: not Jackish is for Ramelo height. He's just a little undersized,

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Speaker 3: like you said, six three two forty. But I loved

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Speaker 3: Right, so Heromelo heights goes too. But the size there

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned Yakis though, because I do

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Speaker 1: think he's a guy that I really enjoy the film of.

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Speaker 1: And again it's like it's it's what do you think

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Speaker 1: I think the thing for me was seeing him at

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Speaker 1: he's a good football player. In terms of Yakis and again,

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Speaker 1: it's ever so slightly different in terms of romelo height

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Speaker 3: Right, all right, so you want to do your number nine,

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Speaker 3: I believe was more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek Moore from Michigan.

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Speaker 1: He's I think he's uh sixty three two fifty three

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Speaker 1: And he's got enough movement skills where you say, man,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a good distinction. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: And again like when he's running to the football, you

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Speaker 2: And again, like I think you bring up a good

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's go on to both our number eight. This

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Speaker 1: About Zion Young at all, are we going to talk

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Speaker 1: about him? When I talk about him, we'll talk.

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Speaker 4: We'll wait.

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Speaker 3: We'll wait for when you have him higher, like whenever

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 4: All right? So number eight for both of us was TJ. Parker.

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Speaker 3: We talked a lot about him when we were at

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Speaker 4: And I've talked with you a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Not that he's not a good player, it's just how

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Speaker 3: holy cow, is he like long arms, athletic, fast, has burners? Right,

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Speaker 3: He's got all these things to be problems I'm not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think we kind of see a lot

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Speaker 2: Parker Man. He's big, he's long, he's physical.

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Speaker 1: You feel his power, you feel his strength, specifically as

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Speaker 2: On every down? Right?

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Speaker 1: There's times where if you're if you're the athlete that

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Speaker 1: not more physically dominant? And again, like he had five

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, like you get it. Like when you

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Speaker 1: saying that TJ. Parker doesn't have plays where he's playing hard,

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Speaker 1: it's just the consistency of it isn't always there and

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Speaker 1: And so again, like I understand why people are high

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Speaker 1: But again when it flashes, it's good and it's really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, do you want to do your

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Speaker 4: We'll see where we agree in this disagree, and then go

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I have Zion Young, Cash is how Rvel

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Speaker 1: Reese is my next.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, spicy because I have Patrick Payton from Florida

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Speaker 3: flipped those two, I think, but let's talk about this

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Speaker 3: is a good place to talk about Zion Young.

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Speaker 2: How So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, is Ion Young? Like just when I

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Speaker 1: he's physical, he plays really hard. I think the thing,

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Speaker 2: You know, like Zion.

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Speaker 1: Young sixty five, he's two sixty five, He's got thirty

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Speaker 1: I think the thing about Zion is like I cut

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Speaker 1: who was maybe the best player at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: in terms of offensive line. I can't remember his name

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Speaker 1: but God bless man, Like, sometimes you just got to

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Speaker 1: the polish is pretty good. I think he's a decent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote down that he is relentless for the ball,

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Speaker 4: And he's a little.

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Speaker 3: Loosey, goosey sometimes with his uh with his hands and

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Speaker 3: loves football and like he's for sure an NFL player.

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Speaker 3: It's just can you work on the athletic traits right

439
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 3: to get there, because the want to is there, right,

440
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 3: so there, and that's why he was back at nine.

441
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,719
Speaker 3: For me though, is because of the physical traits.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think for like and you see again,

443
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Speaker 1: like I understand what you're saying because it's not super polished,

444
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 1: but I think you see a guy who he's got

445
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: pretty good ben he's got pretty good hands. He's like

446
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 1: definitely strong enough. And so I kind of think to myself,

447
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: like if he gets within like a big time defensive

448
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 1: line coach at the next level, like what does that

449
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 1: turn into? And because he plays so hard and I'm

450
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,679
Speaker 1: assuming the want to is there, I'm assuming he's passionate

451
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: about football because of what he's shown on film that

452
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,639
Speaker 1: that's just kind of that arrow is just going to

453
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,479
Speaker 1: keep shooting up.

454
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,360
Speaker 2: And so that's why I was really high.

455
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm I'm I've got my own biases

456
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 1: and as an evaluator, like I like big traits, he

457
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: guys who are really physical, and that's what he is

458
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And so he definitely he definitely fits

459
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 1: that mold. And again like it's I'm glad you said

460
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: body guy, because to me, he's more than a body

461
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: guy because of how hard he plays like he plays

462
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: like you get big guys that look the part, but

463
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: he just plays with such physical violence.

464
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: It just gets me juiced up.

465
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that popped off on Derek Morris tape,

466
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: Like when you're rushing as a wide nine and you're

467
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: just running down someone's face, Like that is what I

468
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 1: want from an edge rusher, because like, if you have

469
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: power as an edge rusher, it sets everything else up.

470
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: And so I do think Zion Young has that at

471
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: a very high level.

472
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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about cashiers, how next and save

473
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 3: Rvel Reese. Okay, so six four two forty five is

474
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Speaker 3: what I have written down. These are not updated from

475
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, so if they're drastically different, let me know.

476
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 2: He didn't go to Senior Bowl.

477
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: So oh, yes, you're right, he didn't. For me, I

478
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 3: think the potential with him is huge for how I

479
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 3: just see like the nice size to speed mixed with

480
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: great body control. He looks smooth. Sometimes his hands are

481
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: a little tough, but strength doesn't always show. But man,

482
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 3: that burst, that size, that movement, it's just I think

483
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: this is he could get cleaned up technically, and I

484
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: think coaching can do that.

485
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 4: The size and the movement.

486
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 3: And the want to is all there, right, the things

487
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: you can't teach are there. So that's why I put

488
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: him as like high potential.

489
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, cash Is Howell is a guy

490
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: like when you cut the film on Man, He's just

491
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: like fun to watch. He's just like super instinctive, very natural,

492
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 1: kind of got this basketball esque nature to how he

493
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: plays like he's kind of got a wide base. He

494
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of hops around. He does a really good job

495
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: of like when the tackle is over extended, I can

496
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of plan off my inside foot, swipe your hands

497
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: and you're gonna fall in your face.

498
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the tackle. He's got great bend off

499
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 2: the edge.

500
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: He kind of rushes from like what I would call

501
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of an unorthodox stance, like his hips are square

502
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: to the ball as opposed to square a line of

503
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: scrim He's kind of taking this false step crossover, which

504
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: really works well for him. He can time to snap

505
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: up really well. Have you seen guys like von Miller

506
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: adopting similar stances, And he does a great job of

507
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: anticipating the snapkoint Like we talked about in terms of

508
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: like that rushing nuance. That's really important with Romelo height,

509
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: and he's got that. And I think the other thing too,

510
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: is he's super bendy, like he understands like what hands

511
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 1: are coming, like, he's kind of like a boxer, Like

512
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: I can dip my inside shoulder, You're not going to

513
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: get me.

514
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: I can work around the corner.

515
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: Like when you watch the LSU game, Man, he is

516
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: letting that thing rip fast and furious, and it's a

517
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: ton of fun to watch, I will say with him.

518
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: So when I watched the Texas A and m Miami game,

519
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: obviously both those tackles will probably get drafted. Mark hal

520
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: Bell is the left tackle, and obviously their right tackle

521
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: is going to probably be a top five player. Again,

522
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name at the moment. I'm having

523
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: a tough time. But those guys had a very specific

524
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: plan for cash as how they kind of understood who

525
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: and what he wanted to be as a rusher, and

526
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: so when you watch them, they would just set with

527
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: nice vertical pass, set get back nice and deep, and

528
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: then Cash is Howell. I felt like, you know, we

529
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: talked about the strength of Zion Jung, the strength of

530
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: Derek Moore, the strength of TJ. Parker as a pass rusher,

531
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: he doesn't really have that same strength as a rusher.

532
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: It does show up sometimes versus lesser competition. But though

533
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 1: both of these guys I thought did a great job

534
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: of kind of understanding who he was and taking away

535
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: and so the thing that may be a little bit unsure,

536
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: a little bit question his ability at the next level,

537
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: was like, you're going to see tackles like this every

538
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: single week. Guys that understand who you are, understand your

539
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: pitch and have a really good answer in terms of

540
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: hitting it. And I think that's something that I want

541
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: to see, is are you a you play like a

542
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: top shelf athlete in terms of ladder quickness, movement skills,

543
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: Like what are you going to run? Because you better

544
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: have an excellent get off. If you're going to rush

545
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: the passer like this, you better have an excellent get

546
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: off and be very very fast. And if he's not that,

547
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: which I questioned a little bit, he's gonna have a

548
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: hard time because he's not a big body.

549
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: He doesn't have great power.

550
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: And you see that sometimes in the run game, tackles

551
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: will get their hands fit and they'll kind of push

552
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: them off the spot. So again with him, fun player, movement,

553
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: skills are awesome, feel is great.

554
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: It's just how athletic are you?

555
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: Because I think that's really going to determine how high

556
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: I am on you when it comes to draft time,

557
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: because again, like the way you play, you play like

558
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: a top flight athlete. But if you're not a top

559
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: flight athlete, the dudes, those guys in the NFL that

560
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: are top flight athletes are going to each up a

561
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: little bit. So that's kind of why I was he's

562
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: at six for me, like him a lot, but I

563
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: have some questions about his ability to translate to the

564
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: NFL level.

565
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we agree on him pretty much one

566
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: hundred percent because the thing I wrote down is he

567
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: can get swallowed up, right if there's a good plan

568
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: and the strength, sometimes he gets swallowed up. Not that

569
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: he's always swallowed up, but he can. Like you said,

570
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: I watched the Miami game, so that's the one. Probably

571
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: we're seeing the same thing.

572
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a guy that's really interesting to me

573
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: for the Commanders, you know, like when you think about

574
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: like Van Ginkel and these guys that are kind of

575
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: these high bred edge linebacker position flex kind of guys.

576
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: They seem to play really well in the Floras system.

577
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that drops quite a bit, has

578
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: good ball skills, understands coverage responsibilities, and again that the

579
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of natural basketball movement skills. So like for example,

580
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: for the Commanders, he might move up the board for

581
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: the type of player and the style of player that

582
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: he is and can be at the NFL level.

583
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the Ohio States Rvel Reese.

584
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: We both have him at five and you have him

585
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: at six.

586
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 4: Is that?

587
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: No?

588
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: You have him at five. I have him at six.

589
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And let's talk about this because I'm sure this

590
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: is surprising that some of our listeners, because there are

591
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: people that have him going in the top five just overall.

592
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: I saw as the first pick over all the other day,

593
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: like your second pick overall.

594
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: After Yeah, our boy Fred has him as the number

595
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: two guy on his board. So let's talk about why

596
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: we are a little bit lesser on him. Although I

597
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 3: will say right now, I think he is a fantastic athlete,

598
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: like almost quality athlete.

599
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'll go first, and I think that's

600
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: one of the reast. So like you know, for example,

601
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: like I do grades, while I'm doing these, so I

602
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: kind of keep track of where I'm at. So all

603
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: these guys that I've done so far have been between

604
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: a six' eight and a six to. Two so basically

605
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: out of, ten he r Bel reeves for me is

606
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: like a five to. Five and people, say, what he's.

607
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: A five to.

608
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: Five he's graded below those other, Guys and the answer is.

609
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Yes and the big reason is like he basically plays

610
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: a stand up outside linebacker or off ball linebacker At

611
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: Ohio state as a.

612
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: Off as a on the ball three four.

613
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: Linebacker he doesn't really rush the passer like he doesn't

614
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: like Put like we're not seeing a two point.

615
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Stance you're not seeing him get after the get after the.

616
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: Quarterback all of his, sacks most of his pressures come

617
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: from internal pass rush.

618
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: Stunts so like cross.

619
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Speaker 1: Dogs there's A Green dog clip Against texas That i'm

620
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people have seen on the. Internet

621
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: Green dog are a coffee table where it's like he

622
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: looks like he's gonna blitz and he looks like he's

623
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna drop that he come back and blitzes and ends

624
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: up having a free run to the. Quarterback the other

625
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: times he gets pressures or at spies when he's spying the.

626
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Quarterback AND i think that's where you see his athletic upside.

627
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: As you see him as a spy being able to

628
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: track down quarterbacks at an extremely high.

629
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: Level you see the movement.

630
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: Skills LIKE i told this story to someone the other,

631
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Day LIKE i was watching just a Random Ohio state.

632
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: GAME i THINK i was Watching Caleb downs AND i was,

633
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: like who is that joker that is sprinting and just

634
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: covering sideline a. Sideline It's Rvel. Reese he jumps out

635
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: because he's six,' five he's two, forty five he's a.

636
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: Big dude he's got. Long arms just he doesn't rush

637
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: the passer the way you want to rush. The passer

638
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: AND so i think there's a big comparison for me

639
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: To Like jalen Walker from georgia, last year who was

640
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: kind of, a spy edge off ball. Linebacker hybrid the

641
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: Thing About, jalen, walker though IS that i got to

642
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: watch him rush the passer on. Third down they would

643
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: put him in and he would rush. The Quarterback arvel

644
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: reese would spy the quarterback and then rush. The QUARTERBACK so,

645
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: i again there Are moments i'd say there's Probably that

646
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: i've seen over the course of watching three or four

647
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Games Of, ohio state there's probably three or four times

648
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: where he's actually rushing the pastor you see, good burst

649
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: you see, some nuance but it's all, a projection and

650
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: so that's the thing. For me, it's, like yes is

651
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: he maybe the best athlete in? This, Class absolutely but

652
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: everyone always talks about projecting athletes right as opposed. To

653
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: production and we've had the same Conversation With samar stewart.

654
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: Last year the guy that was Drafted by jacksonville a

655
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: couple of, YEARS ago i forget, His Name. Javon walker

656
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: like those guys are, tremendous athletes there's no doubt, about,

657
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: It right but there was also an element of production

658
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: and nuance and feel to these positions which he, might

659
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: have but he just didn't have an opportunity to Display At.

660
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Ohio state and so that's the THING that i come

661
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: out of this, Being, like yes the athlete is there

662
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: and that's why He's. Above cash is howel for me

663
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: because there's no question about, the athleticism but in terms

664
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: of projecting his, skill set he hasn't really shown one where, it's,

665
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: like yeah he's good, at edge or yeah he's good

666
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: at off. Ball linebacker like, To Me sonny styles is

667
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: significantly better off ball linebacker right in terms of pass, rush,

668
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: polish like he hasn't shown any because it's not, his

669
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: fault he just wasn't able to. Do it so, to

670
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: me we're asking to project something that we haven't, really

671
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: seen and that seems kind of foolish to me to put.

672
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: That as a top.

673
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: Five player and he didn't show Up To senior bowl

674
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: or any of the others for, whatever reason so we

675
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: could see that where you could do one on once

676
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: or anything.

677
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: Like that so it's not.

678
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Quite there to your Point About jalen walker, last year

679
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: because that's THE comparison, i, think right the easiest comparison

680
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: that people. Can make and last year You Had jalen

681
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: walker ranked as your sixteenth overall in your third tier

682
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: in your third, tier players and what you said about,

683
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: Him Is jalen walker has the ability to rush to

684
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: passer as a. True edge you. Knew that so now

685
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: you're LOOKING At, rvl reese who you don't, Know that

686
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: so why would you rank? Him higher OR so I,

687
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: Don't yeah i'm it's the NERVOUSNESS that i haven't seen

688
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: it that makes me Drop rvel reese down, FOR me

689
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: I just i need to.

690
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: SEE it, i mean that's the.

691
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: Thing though it's LIKE everyone i said something about a

692
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: player we're going to talk about in a minute, on

693
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: YouTube and, Everyone's, LIKE oh i bet You Love samar,

694
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: STEWART too i bet you loved All THESE trade, See

695
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: guys and, it's, LIKE yeah I LIKE trade, c GUYS

696
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: but i understand there's limitations. To them and so Like,

697
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: rvel REESE if i took him, at sixteen twelve, to

698
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: TWENTY if i took, HIM there i think the risk is.

699
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Worth it but when you're taking him as the second,

700
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: pick overall It's aiden, Hutchinson, right like that's what you're looking,

701
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: to GET and i have not seen him do anything akin.

702
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: To THAT and i think that's why it's such a

703
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: challenging projection and one of the Reasons why i'm having

704
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: a hard time understanding why these GUYS that i have

705
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for around the draft community keep.

706
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: Projecting Him, so hi if he came here as, A

707
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: commander i'd be super STOKED because i trust the coaches

708
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: here to get it out. Of him but again there's

709
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: some questions in TERMS of i don't understand why people

710
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: in the national draft community are not talking about his

711
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: lack of production like everyone they talk about it with every. Other,

712
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: player ah he's, not productive, not productive. Not productive they

713
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, With HIM and i don't. Understand

714
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: why and maybe they have some, inside baseball maybe they

715
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: know Someone Out ohio state that says he's a, great

716
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: kid he's got to figure. It OUT but i haven't

717
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: talked to. Those people so again That's where i'm kind

718
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: of on the fence.

719
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: About, it YEAH and i agree with you if he

720
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: was Here at washington, super soaked because he may be

721
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: the best athlete pound for pound in, this draft right

722
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: and if you're willing to bet on that with the

723
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: coaching staff that, we, have, Yes Right like I'm in

724
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: i'm buying that, for me who has no stake in, the.

725
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 3: GAME right i don't talk. TO anyone i have no.

726
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: Influence whatsoever i'm just PUTTING like i am a little,

727
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: bit COMPETITIVE so i want to be right more than

728
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: wrong when it comes to, that Stuff and i'm trying.

729
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: TO learn i just need to, see, it man like.

730
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: That's all just show it to me, one time and

731
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: if you could show it, To me i'm good to go.

732
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: And it i'm Curious because I'm A penn. State fan you.

733
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Know this one of the things that drives me Nuts

734
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: About penn state was that they didn't utilize their players

735
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: well for what their. Talents WERE and, i, wonder like

736
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: Why Is, ohio state who's not known for, Doing that

737
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: why are they not having them rush the passer off.

738
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: The edge if.

739
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: He's got the great and he's like the best pass

740
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: rusher potentially in, this draft why the Heck Is ohio

741
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: state not? Utilizing that like It makes there's these, are

742
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: Questions and i'm sure they're answers TO but i don't,

743
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: Have Them so i'm not going to guess that there are,

744
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: Answers there like that everybody knows SOMETHING that i.

745
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: DON'T know i just.

746
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: Don't, KNOW yeah i think that's a, great point, is,

747
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: like yeah they had the opportunity on fourth down to

748
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: put him in and say rush the passer as, an

749
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: edge and they, were, like no we prefer you as.

750
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: A spy and maybe that's more valuable in that, defensive

751
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: system and maybe that other guys are gonna rush. The

752
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: passer but if You're, abdual carter and that's again where

753
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: you're going to be taken in that rain. Of Player

754
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: Like abdul carter was. A Beast abdul carter points this

755
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: year was a beast rush in, the, past right we

756
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: get to see that in the second game as, COMMANDERS

757
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: fans i want that guy to, do that and he

758
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: just didn't. Do it, so again like there's a lot

759
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: of questions around. This prospect the athleticism is not one,

760
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: of them but those OTHER things i think are important.

761
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: Conversation points, and again as we get more information after

762
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: the combine things, LIKE that i get to talk to more,

763
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: people there we'll be able to probably flush. It out

764
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: but this is a perfect example of a GUY where

765
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: i think this can change as we go through.

766
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: The.

767
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: Process, Yeah absolutely i'm going to be most Fluid on

768
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: reese one. Hundred percent he could end up as my

769
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: number one or number two. Pass rusher potentially he could

770
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: also Drop like i'm just the most fluid.

771
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: On him so.

772
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 3: Many, questions, Yeah, absolutely okay so let's do four to

773
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: two and then we'll leave off. For one obviously people

774
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: can probably guess what our, one is but build suspence in.

775
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: The business we'll call it, a. Tease Okay so i'll

776
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: do my four to two and then you could.

777
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Do.

778
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Yours okay so NUMBER four I Have keldrick Falk. From

779
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: auburn number three Is A keeen mesodor is that He

780
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: saying Mesodor, from miami and number Two Is, rubin bain

781
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: his running Mate. From miami THAT'S what i, Have.

782
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: There so looks like we're pretty.

783
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: ALIGNED here i have A key, MESADOR four i Have rubyen,

784
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: bain three And Then keldric. Falk two so obviously there's

785
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of, discrepancy there but in terms, of

786
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: number just to give you, some context like you KNOW

787
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: how i grade all, the players it's out. Of ten

788
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: some people do it based on. DRAFT grade i just

789
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: do it out of Ten because i'm. A dummy but

790
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: A key mesador was a seven point eight, for Me

791
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: rubyen bain was a seven point five, or yeah And

792
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Then keldric falk was a seven. Point six so they're

793
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: all kind of clustered right in that. Same thing and

794
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: so people, like logan why is a key mesidor in

795
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: that in the third spot your fourth overall if he

796
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: is your highest graded pass rusher, so FAR and i

797
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: would say a big reason of it is because it's

798
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: twenty five, years old and so the film. Is, excellent

799
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: like the FIRST time I, WATCHED miami i thought He

800
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Was ruben.

801
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: Bain like he has a wide array of pass.

802
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: Rush moves he's got, great power he uses his, hands

803
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: well he's got a, cross shop he's got a, dip

804
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: move he understands the.

805
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: Rush line. He's.

806
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Fantastic man HE is nfl ready rocked and ready.

807
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: To, go man he.

808
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Is awesome the only THING that i have in terms

809
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: of negative feedback, on him, quite HONESTLY is i think

810
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: he's an old football player with a lot of miles,

811
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: on him and just how long is he going to

812
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: be in your program if you draft him at in

813
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the top ten or you draft him in the top, Twenty,

814
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: five like he's probably a one contract type of guy

815
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: because after, one contract he's going to be thirty. Years

816
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: OLD so i think that's the ONLY drawback i can see.

817
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: With him but in terms of football player pass, rusher

818
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: like he is a. Complete player he plays the, run

819
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: well he's super fun. To watch he plays his absolute

820
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: face OFF like i love watching.

821
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 4: Him, PLAY yeah, i OKAY so i get the. Age.

822
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: Thing Yeah what i'm going to say about that is

823
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: when you're drafting in, the ten which is where you

824
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: would think all these guys are going, to go you

825
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: want a player that's going to come in and be,

826
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 3: Effective immediately so people. Do that that's what he's. Gonna

827
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: do that's why he's. Up THERE and i do get the,

828
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: age thing but you're a team that needs help.

829
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: Right now if you want.

830
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: To, say hey we're a team that is two or three,

831
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: years away maybe you're looking, Past THEM and i. Get,

832
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: That yeah but for the, MOST part i would think

833
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: that a team like Say, the commanders who a, down

834
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: year BUT The nfc championship game the, year before you're

835
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: looking for a piece to help, right now this could be,

836
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: a Piece RIGHT and i get the. AGE thing i definitely.

837
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: Get it but that's THAT'S why i really am not

838
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: concerning the age too MUCH because i agree with. Everything else.

839
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: He, said yeah, and again like these three players we

840
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: just talked about are almost identical, to me like they

841
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: both have their strengths and weaknesses or all three of

842
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: our strengths. And weaknesses, but he, to me felt like

843
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: the most complete player. Watching, them again he's just an

844
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: older guy injury history is kind of all over.

845
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: The place but he's a heck of a.

846
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: Football player and he's your, third player he's my, fourth

847
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: player so we're right there in terms of alignment.

848
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: On, it yeah and my second player and your third

849
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: player is Also. From Miami It's Rubon, bain Junior Who santana.

850
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: Moss loves he tells us about him all. The time

851
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: and like, you said this is all this is all.

852
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Ice cream it's just which topping do?

853
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: You?

854
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: Like yeah and For Me, RUBEN bain I just i love. His,

855
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: AGGRESSIVENESS man i love how. He attacks he's a, little

856
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: UNORTHODOX but i kind of.

857
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: Like it works.

858
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: For, Him, YEAH no i think that's one of the

859
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: things the more you, Watch him, like again like, people.

860
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Say, oh well how's his?

861
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: Get off it's definitely, Not, elite howard how's his? Hand

862
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: usage it's definitely.

863
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: Not elite.

864
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: You know like his body type is kind. Of funny

865
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: he's six, six threes two. Seventy five he's like, a bigger.

866
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: Denser BUILD but i kind of think tackles have a

867
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: hard time, with that and especially if you rush the way,

868
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: He rushes SO like i, Can, Tell Yeah jason taylor

869
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: really has done a good job. Coaching, them, so like

870
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: if you're a young, Pass, rusher like the ONE thing

871
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: i want to see you DO is i don't want

872
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: to ever see you run straight up. THE field i

873
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: want to see you ATTACK what i would call the.

874
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Sack line attack it. Violently right if the tackle, over

875
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: sets you. Go inside if, he understands you attack the.

876
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: Outside corner if he's right on, the line you run through.

877
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: His face and that's why having power in the bag is.

878
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: So Important And reuben bain has great leverage and he's got,

879
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: great power and so when the guy short sets, the

880
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: line he's got a. Great dip his bend is excellent

881
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: around the perimeter for a guy always two to. Twenty

882
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: five his power down the screws. Is excellent and again

883
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: his ability to take the inside move is really impressive

884
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: for a guy that's. His, size LIKE do i think

885
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: he's ever going to BREAK the nfl? Sack, Record no

886
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: BUT do i think he's consistently a ten or eleven.

887
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 2: Sack?

888
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Guy absolutely and then the other thing is he's a

889
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: little bit up and down against the run because he

890
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: doesn't use his hands all the time in. That department

891
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: but he's so, damn big and he plays so damn

892
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: hard that he's just a heck of a. Football play

893
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: he's just a. Fun watch both those Guys from miami.

894
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: Are excellent you can tell they're, well coach they're, really

895
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: sharp they understand who, they are they understand what plays

896
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: not only at college BUT the, Nfl level and, SO

897
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: again i love both those guys.

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Quite Honestly, So.

899
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: YEAH and i think the knock on him that is

900
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: going around is he might have, short arms right and

901
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: be below that threshold of what you want a defensive end,

902
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: to have especially. This high but he works really. Well

903
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: inside he. Gets inside he is super violent and like,

904
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: you said with his hands all that's true. To me

905
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: it looks like his hands are, basically hammers like he

906
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: is throwing those things around hard. AND violent I just i.

907
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 4: Like the way.

908
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: He attacks, it's aggressive, it's mean and we're an edge.

909
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: Rusher man it's scary, at, times RIGHT and i want

910
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: the scary guy on, my.

911
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: Team yeah.

912
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: For SURE and i think the other thing that mitigates

913
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: a lack of length is. Excellent TIMING and i Do Think,

914
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: ruben bain he's played a lot, of football he's excellent

915
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: timing with, his HANDS and i think, that oftentimes like

916
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: you see guys with long arms trying to, punch him

917
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: does a good job with the swipe and then getting

918
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: back inside with. His hands, so again like our list

919
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: obviously is prioritizing. Different things like so, for example like

920
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: if you, were, LIKE hey i, WANT traits i, WANT

921
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: athletes i want all, These things you're probably going to

922
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: bump r vel.

923
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: Rees up you might bump cash just.

924
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: Howl up, but Again like JASON and i spend a

925
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of, time together we talk a LOT like i

926
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: want dudes that, are productive, play hard and are. Physically violent,

927
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: and again these two Dudes from miami fit. That build

928
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: and again they are so well coached as, pass rushers

929
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: like they're going to come in and be effective. Right

930
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: AWAY and i think that's. The thing, you know when

931
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: you talk About A zion young, for example there's a

932
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a developmental curve, for him Or A

933
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: derek moore a little bit of a developmental curve, for

934
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: him and so you're kind, of like these guys are

935
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: there and they're just going to. Get BETTER and i

936
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: think that's, the thing is like they check a lot,

937
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: of boxes and we talk about high. Floor players, these

938
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: players because of the physicality that, they bring are extremely

939
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: High for BUT could I see x team Being like Man.

940
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: Ruben bain. We don't he doesn't meet. Our thresholds we

941
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't take him until the, fifteenth, pick Absolutely but i'm

942
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: willing to overlook that because of how productive he was

943
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: AND because i think the things that he does well

944
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: help offset some of.

945
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: His limitations, all right let's talk about who my. Number

946
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: four but it's your, number two And That's kelthrick Falk From.

947
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: AUBURN logan i want to say this. RIGHT away i

948
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: am nervous for me that this is going to be

949
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: like the one that got away. From me there's just

950
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: something about him, THAT like I just i want to

951
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: LOVE and i want to hold, One too and just

952
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: these OTHER guys i guess are sexier in their play style.

953
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: Or whatever but he is. Rock solid and.

954
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: To your point, about age this dude's only twenty.

955
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Years, old, yeah yeah so he, to me he is

956
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: one of the more interesting prospects in the. Entire Draft,

957
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: and jason that feeling you, JUST described i. HAD it

958
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: i have IT when i, watch HIM and i just,

959
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: Was like i'm betting this is my. Lottery ticket i'm

960
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: betting upside here all. The way and so like when

961
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: you watch, him MOVE like i was Watching the vanderbilt

962
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: game and somebody tries to, cut him and it's a,

963
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: good cut hard. Violent cut and his ability, to sidestep use.

964
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: His hands this dude's six six two, ninety right use

965
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: his hand just kind of, snake through put his foot in,

966
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: the ground chase the.

967
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: SCREEN down i, was like there's.

968
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: Only a couple Guys on God's green earth that size

969
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: can move that way and with, That length and so

970
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 1: you see him rush the pastor from a wide. Nine

971
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: technique the arm length is, a parent the strength is

972
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: a parent as a. Four eye his ability to get,

973
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: to extension shed and violently pursuit of, the football, it's.

974
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: There man, and again he wasn't overly productive. THIS year

975
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: i think he was getting a lot of, Attention obviously

976
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: like there was a Play. VERSUS vanderbilt i was watching

977
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: where he's getting triple teamed on, a run like people

978
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: are aware. Of him and is it as Polished, As

979
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: bane is it as polished As? Mezodor no but the

980
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: physical tools, are there and like, you said he's. Rock

981
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: solid his hand usage, Is excellent his pad level, is

982
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: excellent and then you kind of put that movement skill

983
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: on top and you kind, of say That's what i'm.

984
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Betting on i'm betting on this uptick AT the nfl

985
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: level where you're going to get this guy who again

986
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: is one of one in this.

987
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: Draft, class again that's why he's number two.

988
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: For me BUT like, i Said a Mesador and bain

989
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: both have a higher numerical grade than. He Does but

990
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: i'm betting upside all day with him from a physical.

991
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,959
Speaker 3: Tool standpoint my last little bet on him is he's

992
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: number Nine On feldman's freak list because he's only twenty.

993
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: Years old squat seven hundred benches. Four fifteen production did

994
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: drop right last year he had nine sacks with thirty.

995
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: One hurries but HERE'S why i want you to Focus

996
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: on logan this year. Two sacks everybody goes oh nine to.

997
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: Two sacks the hurries didn't drop off that much twenty,

998
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: eight hurries so he's still getting. After it but like,

999
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: you said the sack and sacks are SUCH a i

1000
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: don't want to say fluky because, they're important but they're

1001
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: a weird stat because sometimes a guy runs, into it,

1002
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: a trip a touch right like sometimes those. Thing's happen

1003
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: and then also this who Else in auburn are you

1004
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: double teaming every play right like.

1005
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: He is.

1006
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: They're getting after him like they like, you said they know,

1007
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: he's here they're keying. On him we're not letting you,

1008
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: beat me and he still puts the pressure on SO and.

1009
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: I think that's the, Other, thing Jason that i'm really

1010
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: glad you brought, that up is like he's he's just

1011
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: such a unique, like again it's not like You're Watching

1012
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: shamar stewart, last Year Like Samar, stewart again he's the

1013
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: athletic FREAK from A and M that cincinnati Drafted who

1014
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: i'm still not sold on as a bad, football player

1015
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: but didn't do training camp all those different things and wasn't.

1016
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Super productive people Like He's samar stewart because he's got

1017
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: all this, athletic upside but his production. Wasn't there when you,

1018
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: watch him it's. So different it's such a different watch

1019
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: because the technique, is there the movement skills, are there

1020
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: the instincts. Are there so it's not like, to me

1021
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: it's it's not the. Same thing or what was the

1022
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: guy's Name From. Georgia williams, oh gosh first name is.

1023
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Escaping me But, big tracy long guy that got Drafted By.

1024
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: SAN francisco i think at like eleven, people, like oh

1025
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: he's just. Like that it's different when you watch those

1026
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Two Guys tamar Stewart and Williams from georgia, last year

1027
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: there was definitely a there was a curve that needed,

1028
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: to happen or a bump in play that needed. To

1029
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: happen Here With, keldric falk there's a lot of really good.

1030
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Technical stuff the pass, rush instincts the, run instincts it's.

1031
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: All there it's just now about kind of giving him.

1032
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: A home.

1033
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: I think i think one of the THINGS that I

1034
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: when i, watch him he, PLAYS four i he, plays

1035
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: no's he. Plays nine like what if you, just said,

1036
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: hey man be a six technique or be a stand

1037
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: up Rush in like what does that? LOOK like i

1038
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: think you're going to get a bump in production just

1039
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: from giving him more consistent things to own from a.

1040
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: Technical, Standpoint YEAH like i, SAID earlier i think this

1041
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: is to me he, feels like don't let him be

1042
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 3: the one that. Got away like he's marriage, material, here

1043
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 3: right you're betting one what he, can do like don't

1044
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: have fun with all these other other ones, out there

1045
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: like go for the guy that can has a pretty,

1046
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: good floor but as the potential to be just the sky's.

1047
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: The limit that ONE thing i wrote down here and

1048
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: this has nothing to do with. This film he's got

1049
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: a good motor and. All THAT if i hear at

1050
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: all during this process that he loves football and as

1051
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: a self starter and he wants to. Be GREAT if

1052
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: i hear, that anywhere he is moving sky high because he.

1053
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: Has everything and if he has, that mentality he could be.

1054
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 4: A STAR so I know i have.

1055
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: Him, at four you have him, at two but he

1056
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: could easily, move up maybe even the one being twenty.

1057
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: Years old what he. Can do and then if you

1058
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: say he has, that mentality oh, my goodness.

1059
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Right YOU'RE and i think that's the thing is taking to.

1060
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: The chat these we kind of tiered, These unintentionally like

1061
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: my two to four are almost exactly, The same my

1062
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: five to seven are almost exactly, the same and my

1063
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: eight to ten are kind of the same in terms.

1064
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Of category we didn't do that. On purpose it just

1065
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: going to happen. That way SO like i kind of

1066
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: see those all three of those guys in the, same

1067
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: buckets so. To, speak right you're ready to, NUMBER one

1068
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: i think we have the same guy.

1069
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 4: Number one, go. Ahead logan they want to hear. From You.

1070
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: David Bailey from Texas, TECH man i didn't want to

1071
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: put him as my number. ONE guy i didn't want to,

1072
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: do It but god, bless man he can scoot like.

1073
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: Watching him what game? Was that i've watched three or

1074
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: four games.

1075
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: Of his there was a Game against oregon where he

1076
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: just every play he was on, the field it, was impactful, batted, ball,

1077
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: pressure sack. Just unblockable we talked about timing. The snap

1078
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: it was. Perfect right his instincts as a pass rusher

1079
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: on the line, Over line he's got it, the length

1080
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: the arm length and the arm the strength through his

1081
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: length length seemed like it. WAS excellent i JUST was

1082
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: i couldn't quit. THAT game, i said if there is

1083
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: one player that affects, the play affects the game the

1084
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: way he does all. THE time i haven't seen him

1085
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: yet on the defense side of, the Football Maybe.

1086
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 4: Caleb downs did you Watch the kansas game?

1087
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: With him is that the one where he just put

1088
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: that poor left tackle on a blender where was like

1089
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: spin move OUTSIDE. The us she had like five. Consecutive. Pressures,

1090
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: yeah yeah that, was, unbelievable. Man unbelievable AND so i

1091
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: think you want to make a, defense better how do you?

1092
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Do that you get pressure on the quarterback who nobody

1093
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: in this draft class as of right now gets more

1094
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: consistent pressure on the Quarterback Than, david bailey not a

1095
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: single person like he he had seventy one or seventy

1096
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: seven pressure like he had seventy. Seven pressures, That's insane

1097
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: that's that's. Bonkers. Numbers right he likes you're and you're kind, of, like,

1098
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: oh well like are they and they're? All impactful, and

1099
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: again can he be a little bit better against?

1100
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: The?

1101
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Run sure can he be a little bit more consistent

1102
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: in terms of his, run, Fit yes but his fastball pitch, is,

1103
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: Unhittable man his number one pitch, is unhittable and he

1104
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: is so good.

1105
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 2: At IT and i think about. What that it.

1106
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: Reminded me a little bit OF when i was Watching

1107
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: von miller come out like just a guy who was

1108
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: so good at that, one Thing and vaughn was more

1109
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: diverse and a little bit better athletically from a lateral,

1110
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: movement Standpoint but god Bless, man like that's THE vibe

1111
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: i GOT when i was, watching him and so he's my.

1112
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: NUMBER one i didn't want to, do it but here.

1113
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: We are he's, the GUY and i think rightfully so,

1114
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: man like he just has he has something that no

1115
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: one else in this, class has and that's why he's

1116
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: a number one edge rusher.

1117
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: For me are you a fast and? Furious?

1118
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: FAN yeah, i.

1119
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: Am okay so the original Right That shelby mustang that

1120
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: they had, Out, there Yeah The. VIN diesel, i mean

1121
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: that's what this, dude is Isn't, he like he's JUST

1122
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 3: that v, eight, engine, loud, aggressive violent get a little

1123
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: bit of that nitrous and. Go like he is. Just

1124
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: devastating he is devastating in the. Past game could he

1125
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: be better in a, run, Game sure but if you're drafting,

1126
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 3: this kid you're drafting him to be an absolute game

1127
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: wrecker almost right away off. The edge, AND man i

1128
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: don't know many teams that don't. Want that he has

1129
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: potential to me like or the biggest potential to Be

1130
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: a rookie Of the, year CANDIDATE because i think he's

1131
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: just going to Rack up. Saximos immediately he has so

1132
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: many arrows in, that quiver different pass.

1133
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: Rush moves he has.

1134
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: A plan it looks like he, has counters which are

1135
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: like some guys, have counters some. Guys don't like it's

1136
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: like he, Comes in oh this, Didn't work i'm immediately doing,

1137
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: This boom. I'm there it's he's just he's. Got it this. Is,

1138
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: it yeah as far.

1139
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: As pass runs and it's and it's funny comparing him

1140
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: To Like abdul carter from, Last Year Like abdil carter was,

1141
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: so raw like he had this great burst and great dip,

1142
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: and bend like the amount of Diversity That david bailey

1143
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: has in his. Pass Rush Like abdil carter's a, better athlete.

1144
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: You Know But david bailey as a pass rusher is

1145
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: light years ahead Of Where abdol. Carter was and, SO

1146
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: yeah i think so people were talking about is he

1147
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: going to be there for conect managers? At seven THE

1148
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: more i, watch him the more unlikely. That seems but, we'll,

1149
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: see man we'll see if. HE'S there I think i

1150
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: think you're. Pretty, exciting well.

1151
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: Let's do a, little fun little fun.

1152
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 3: Thing here now that we've we've done, Our list i'll

1153
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 3: quickly read off, the list and then let's do a.

1154
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: Mini mock we'll just pick at. Number seven let's see.

1155
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: Who's there as far, as mock let's pick an, edge

1156
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: rusher like we have to pick an, edge rusher but

1157
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: let's just.

1158
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: Do it let's see what. We, got okay so, real

1159
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: quickly just so.

1160
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: People know my LIST that i don't think anyone cares

1161
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: About Is gabe Yakis, From Illinois ian Young, from MISSOURI.

1162
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: T j Parker, From Clemson patrick PAYTON, FROM FSU. R

1163
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: l Reese From, ohio State Cashi is Howe FROM texas

1164
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: A And M kendrick Keldric sorry Falk, From Auburn hakeem Mesidor,

1165
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: From Miami reubenbain Junior, from Miami And david Bailey From.

1166
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: Texas tech you, have, yours.

1167
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah and mine Is my number ten Is From mellow

1168
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: Height From. Texas tech number Nine Is derek Moore, from

1169
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: michigan and eight IS. T j parker From the Seven

1170
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: Is ion Young. From missouri six Is Cash is Howell

1171
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: FROM texas a and m and then five Is rvel

1172
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: Reese From ohio State For acuma Mesador Three Ruben, bain

1173
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: junior Both. From Miami two keldrick Falk from auburn and

1174
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: number One Is.

1175
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: David, bailey okay so while you were, doing that we

1176
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: had a little. Mock. DRAFT go i had a.

1177
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: Little simulator so this is the Order the, raiders picked

1178
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: as you, Would expect mendoza. Number Two the Jets Took

1179
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: david bailey our. Number one, number, three yeah according, to

1180
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: this Number three Arizona Went. Ruben bain number Four Is.

1181
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: Rvel reese number Five To new York Was, caleb downs

1182
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 3: the safety who we. Both love and Then, the Browns

1183
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: doing brown's things in the simulator took a wide Receiver In.

1184
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: Jordan tyson so that puts us on. The clock and

1185
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: my guy we have We Have, Cashius Howe, KELDRIC. Falk,

1186
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: tj Parker aquem, mesodor, here uh game of shackas is

1187
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: HERE is i know we ever pick other than our

1188
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: couple of our top, guy basically but you at your number,

1189
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 3: TWO guy i assume you're going.

1190
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: To push for falk, here yep this is my. Number

1191
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: four like so we just talked.

1192
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: Him up SO what i would take if i'm and

1193
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: it depends on the scheme, we're, IN right i think

1194
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: if you're in a traditional four Down Front. ACHEMA mesador

1195
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: i mean it's probably your guy, man like he just has. The,

1196
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: juice again the age things a little bit concerning if

1197
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: you Want Upside, keldrick falk, and again like, to me

1198
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: they're kind of in the. Same tier so like if you, were,

1199
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: LIKE hey i really would Prefer A, Quema mesador i'm.

1200
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: Like cool but, LIKE again I Think keldric falk the

1201
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: physicality of. THE upside i, think that like, YOU said

1202
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: i think he has the ability to be. Something special,

1203
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: and again a mesador is kind of is what he

1204
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: is and it's very. Very GOOD but i am chasing

1205
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: a blue chip prospect, here POTENTIALLY and i Think Kel,

1206
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: drick falk at least as of, right now my understanding

1207
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: of all his athletic measurements things, like that, THE film

1208
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: i think it supports taking. Him, here again is he

1209
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: flexible enough to play in a florist scheme where he

1210
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: could play a stand. Up end i'd like to, Think

1211
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: so but that might be too much of, An ask

1212
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: so maybe you go in a different, Direction here but

1213
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: that would be my that would be.

1214
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: My kind of stand on the table for, My Guy.

1215
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: Keldric fulk let's take Him the commander's draft, Number seven

1216
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: keldrick fall crazy and we.

1217
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: Got younger the team, got younger twenty? Years?

1218
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: Old crazy is it? Not crazy it?

1219
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: THOUGH that, I mean i don't think this is. Totally Unreasonable, That,

1220
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: bailey Bain and reese all went in the top, six

1221
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: there that's kind.

1222
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: Of unbelievable speaks to the high end depth of, this,

1223
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: class right there's a lot of really good prospects in

1224
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: the edge at the, top end.

1225
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: And specifically on Defense Because caleb downs.

1226
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: Also went so it also speaks to the lack of

1227
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: quarterback in this, draft too, because really these guys get

1228
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 3: pushed down. Because quarterback but it seems like only one

1229
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: may go in the, top ten Or.

1230
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 4: Even logan but, we'll, see yeah, no, kidding yep, all right.

1231
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: Last, thing logan And then i'll let you out. Of

1232
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: here it's the. Fastest forty we do it. Every week

1233
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: let's see how fast. You get so we just talked,

1234
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: about draft just did a, mock draft kind of talked

1235
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: about why we Would take Falk versus mezzodor at that spot.

1236
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: Very close, very close.

1237
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 4: Very close so the question is.

1238
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: Do you take the best player available or do you

1239
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 3: draft for? Team need because that is a narrative that's

1240
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: out there where, people, go oh you just take the best.

1241
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: Player available then there's others, that, go oh well you

1242
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 3: draft for, team need and there is a fight over who.

1243
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Is right so is it best player available or? Team,

1244
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 3: need logan you got forty seconds to.

1245
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: Tell, Me, which jason this is a, question two it's

1246
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 2: one hold.

1247
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: On go it's one of the most annoying questions in

1248
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: this process because best player available.

1249
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: And team need are in the same vortex of.

1250
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: Decision, making Right if i've got the best offensive line,

1251
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: In football Like if I'm The detroit lions and the.

1252
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: Best player there is a, RIGHT tackle i don't need

1253
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: ONE because I Have.

1254
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Pina seoul so that's gonna shift, the, Paradigm right it's

1255
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: gonna shift best player available because it kind of molds.

1256
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: And shifts into. Team needs so, to me it's they're.

1257
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: The same they're kind of worked into the same, calculus

1258
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: here and so obviously best player available, is important but

1259
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: it's gonna shift depending on team and, team needs so

1260
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: they definitely affect. Each other there's no right. Answer here?

1261
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 4: Whoa logan? For seconds right?

1262
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: On it look at me the fastest forty forty, point

1263
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: three five to be In zech, but whooa, right there

1264
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: you're ready for, the combine.

1265
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 2: Let's go i'm ready. To go, oh man this.

1266
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: Was fun this is our first. Position, RANKING man i

1267
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. With.

1268
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: THIS yeah i will say the ONE thing i will

1269
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: say about This that i'm going to try and avoid

1270
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: going FORWARD is i try not to look at any of.

1271
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: Your stuff and we're aligned with a lot. Of this

1272
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: even with players we agree and, disagree with there's not.

1273
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: MUCH difference i kind of need to make Sure that

1274
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: i'm not doing a confirmation bias between the Circle that.

1275
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: I'M in i need to break, MY bubble i think a. Little,

1276
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: bit yeah, you know that's one of the THINGS that

1277
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: i think you. Run into the national media will get on,

1278
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: a player everybody talks, about them and it's kind of

1279
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: turns into this, group think kind of like getting caught in.

1280
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: That bubble sometimes just. Pop it go with what. You

1281
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: BELIEVE so, I, think i especially, now BELIEVE but i

1282
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: need to get away from you for, a.

1283
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: Bit especially, Now though like, ESPECIALLY now i think it's

1284
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: really important to us to kind of get our real rankings.

1285
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Out there we talk about how they're going, to change

1286
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: they're going to be impacted by conversations we have by

1287
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: the combine all those. Different things, so yeah NOW let's

1288
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: i think we're just going to let a rip and

1289
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: put our our best understandings out there of what we

1290
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: think these players.

1291
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Are.

1292
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: AT yeah, i know we're such. Good friends it's hard

1293
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: not to be around. Each other but maybe we just

1294
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: don't talk until the combine and see if.

1295
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: Anything changes, seems unlikely but maybe not a. Bad.

1296
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: IDEA logan i had a.

1297
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Great, time, YEAH man i had a. Great time, next

1298
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: week we're. Doing receivers what are we doing?

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: Next, week yeah we'll do receivers?

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00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: Next, week okay next week, top ten let's go top.

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Speaker 2: Ten receivers. That's it but, for today. That's it