1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: today's best minds. We are now two hundred days from 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, Emir two hundred days. 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Today, Senator Mark Kelly talks to us about what's happening 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: in Arizona and the implications. 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: Of passing AID for Ukraine. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congressman Dan Goldman about the drama 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives. But first we have MSNBC 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Daily Editor James Downie. 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. Jim. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 3: Great to be here, as always. 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Yesterday when you listen to this on Friday. 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: In the United States House of Representatives, I'm just going 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: to read you one little bit of where they are, 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: because I feel that our listeners need to glean this 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: information firsthand. But basically, from what I understand, House Freedom 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: Caucus members, you know them, the best of the brightest, 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: and I mean that only ironically are signing up to 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: take shifts to guard the House floor in order to 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: prevent resolutions they consider unsavory. Imagine what they consider unsavory. 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: This is from Olivia, Beaver's at Politico that they consider 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: unsavory from slipping through that could. 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: Curb their power. 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: Per to our sources, this Floor Action Response Team Fart 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Floor Action Response Team fart okay aims to guard against 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: a voice vote or unanimous consent vote where action could 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: be stealthily taken against them and their members. Resolutions to 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: strip Massy Norman Roy from Rules Committee. 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: There's a fart Joe. 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: Huh, there is. I'm glad you brought it up because 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: I was worried about standards. 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: There are no standards here. 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: I find it's easier to let the host bring the 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: fart jokes than to just drop in with them to 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: start off. It's remarkable what's happening there. This came at 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: the same time that a number of reporters mentioned that 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: Johnson was basically surrounded by Freedom Caucus types and at 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: some point a non Freedom Caucus member Derek van Orton. 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: Who's famous for screaming at interns. 42 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: Yes, that is correct, famous for Yes, he got in 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: trouble for screaming atsentate pages. Yes last year. And I 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: think at this point we can say has a bit 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: of an issue with his temper. Nah No, but he 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 3: I guess decided to butt in and apparently called Matt 47 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: Gates tubby. So things are going extremely well. 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: That is terrible, because my man Gates do us so 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: much to look beautiful. 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: I'm sure that really heard. 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a reason why you have so 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: many I mean we saw with Mike Gallagher, with with 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: the number of other Republicans who are heading for the 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: exits because basically the house is so dysfunctional. I think 55 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: you were right. That was Van Orden. 56 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: The thing that's so interesting about Van Orden and his 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: just insanity here is that I don't even think. I mean, 58 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: while Mike Johnson has a lot of problems, he's quite 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: svelt and adorable. 60 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: And he's made a remarkable change as well in terms 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: of his position on Ukraine eate. I mean, it's interesting 62 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: considering that he was against it for so long, and 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: yet it seems like since he's moved into leadership, and 64 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: whether it's because of. 65 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: Somebody's explained to him, clearly. 66 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: Somebody sat him down and explained to him, hey, here's 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: here's the stakes, here's what's going to happen if we 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: don't pass the eight. He seems to have changed his 69 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: mind and he today was quoting Rold Reagan talking about 70 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: peace through strength, and he seems to have really changed 71 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: his view. And obviously the Freedom Caucus does not take 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: kindly to losing their leverage to just keep Congress a 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: laughing stock. It's incredible. 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting was somebody said to me 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: earlier in the week, Oh, the Democrats are going to 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: save Johnson if he votes for AID and Nana. So 77 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I was like, well, obviously that's what's going to happen. 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: So I texted a friend of mine who's a member 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: of Congress, and I said, are you guys going to 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: save Johnson if he votes for AID? And he said, 81 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: we will only save Johnson if he wants to be saved, 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: and right now it does not look like he wants 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: to be saved. 84 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: I think it's difficult for Johnson because the moment he 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: gets saved by Democrats, it legitimizes the current talking point 86 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: on the far right. I mean, among these Freedom caucas 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 3: types that he's already acting as the Democrat speaker. It's 88 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: difficult right now for him to say the least. I mean, it's, 89 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: you know, a problem largely if his own making to 90 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: some degree of Kevin McCarthy's making to some degree of 91 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: Republicans falling short in the mid terms and Democrats of 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: farming in the midterms. That not to the degree that 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 3: the Democrats kept the House, but that they kept such 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: a narrow margin so that these freedom caucas types have 95 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: this kind of leverage. If Kevin McCarthy had done what 96 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: he promised to do, the Republicans would have twenty or 97 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: thirty se to play with rather than well, a never 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: shrinking amount right now. One, Yeah, there was another congressman 99 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: today and just announced his retirement. I believe the number 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: is up to getting to the mid twenties now. So 101 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: now I don't think that person's retiring early, but you 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: never know. You get another retirement, and who knows what 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: kind of chaos could break out in terms of the speakership. 104 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: If you get another retirement, then it's even right. 105 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, assuming it happens before the next special election to fill. 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: Right, and some of those seats can't be filled right. 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: Oh No, here's another I'm seeing that the Breitbart reporter 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: says Tubby was directly directed at Matt Gates. 109 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 3: Well, there's conflicting sources. In regardless, I think it's clear 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: that chaos reigns. 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just such an insane way to run 112 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: a caucus, and you don't think about how much like 113 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, some people liked her, some people didn't like her, 114 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: but she was wildly effective. And you didn't really get 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: to see how wildly effective she was until Democrats lost. 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: The House, and now you have really a. 117 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: Group where they just cannot you really see this as 118 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: actually kind of a hard job. 119 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think since Pelosi became speaker, there have been 120 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: four different Republicans I believe as speaker of you know, 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: like sort of as speaker themselves. You've had Bayner, You've 122 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: had Ryan McCarthy and now Johnson and sort of decreasing 123 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: abilities and even from Bayer, like Bayner struggled with. Bayner 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: had to call off votes just before they came to 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: a vote in the House because he didn't have the numbers. 126 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least he didn't lose them. 127 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: At least he didn't lose them. I was I'd say that, 128 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: you know, the ones who've come after him have been 129 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: even less effective. But as you said, I mean from 130 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: the work up we go, you go back to, for example, 131 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: the Affordable Care Act. You know what Pelosi did there 132 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: to keep Democrats in line, to keep some very vulnerable Democrats. 133 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: A lot of them ended up losing their seats in 134 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: subsequent elections because of that vote, but she kept them 135 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: in line and passed both that and a lot of legislation. 136 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: I think that, as you said, that skill is absolutely remarkable. 137 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: And when you write the summary of Nancy Pelosi's career, 138 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: I think it's her vote counting skills that are right 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: at the top of her abilities. 140 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it didn't need I mean, you really see 141 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: how much you don't need to fuck up. Like what 142 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: he's doing every time is sort of being like, well, 143 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: it's in the lap of the gods. Like that's a 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: crazy way to run a caucus. It turns out that 145 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: Jesus doesn't web votes. 146 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: It turns out his prayers haven't been necessarily answered. 147 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Right, Like, if I were him, I might think about 148 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: becoming an atheist or maybe changing religions. It's something where 149 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: they're better at vote counting. Talk to me about like 150 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: this trial. When this trial started, there were so many 151 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: people who were like, this is bad, you shouldn't do this. 152 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: There's no reason to try him. Somebody told me they 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: were like, you know, presidents do stuff like this. I 154 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: was like, presidents do stuff like paying off an adult 155 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: film star when their lawyer takes a home at what 156 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: he loan, which is technically a campaign contribution. 157 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: And then I mean, just talk us through. 158 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what you think about this, because the pictures 159 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: coming out of this trial have been a guy who 160 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: can barely stay awake, and I mean he seems kind 161 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: of slow and also kind of unhinged. I don't see 162 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: how this visual helps him with voters. 163 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: I don't really see either. I think a lot of 164 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: it will be determined by the outcome of the case, 165 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: which we just can't simply know at the moment. But 166 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: I think in terms of bringing the case, I think 167 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: that people who have worked in the Manhattan DA's office, 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, who are no longer there, but who have 169 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: worked in that office, have made the case in other 170 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: places that this sort of crime is prosecuted. And we 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: talk a lot about nobody being above the law, and 172 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: that should apply to the president. I think one of 173 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: the reasons we consistently get in trouble and it feels 174 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: like Donald Trump is consistently avoids accountability, is that whether 175 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: it be other politicians or banks, or the Supreme Court. 176 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: People are reluctant to hold him to the same standard 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: that they would hold people who are not Donald Trump, 178 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: and it makes it all the more important that a 179 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: case like this be prosecuted, even if it does feel 180 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: grungy to some people or it feels smaller potatoes than 181 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: the January sixth related cases. That's fine, that's a fair 182 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: feeling to have, but that doesn't mean that you don't 183 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,479 Speaker 3: also prosecute in this circumstance. As well as for Trump's behavior, 184 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, anybody who's I mean, you have you know, 185 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: you've been watching him for years. On the surface, like 186 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: thirty seconds of watching him at a rally in twenty 187 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: twenty four or twenty sixteen, they might seem the same 188 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: for briefly, but the longer you watch, the more you 189 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: see that this is just a guy who's you know, 190 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: as he talks about sleepy Joe, he's old, He loses 191 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: the plot, he gets bored more easily, he drifts off 192 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: more easily. 193 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: He confuses Nancy Putlosi with Nikki Hali. 194 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: From the work go, there was a lot of eyebrow raising, 195 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: slash terrifying rhetoric at his rallies, but there wasn't the 196 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: same amount of straight up confusion that we see right now. 197 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: And that Let's be real, if Joe Biden made these 198 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: kinds of errors, or if Joe Biden had, you know, 199 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 3: had closed his eyes briefly during some public appearance, it 200 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: would be all over a lot of media outlets. It'd 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: be the front page story. But because it's Trump, we 202 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: have a different standard. 203 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: Trump has just held to a completely different standard than 204 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: everyone else. 205 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: There's no argument. I mean, you get back to even 206 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: something as recent as the you know, right now we're 207 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: talking about the Manhattan the criminal case, but you talk 208 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: about the civil case for example, and the amount of 209 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 3: second chances that he's been given to come up with 210 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: this bond. He gets his bond or disc he has 211 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: this auto loan billionaire come in and give them. 212 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: A bond that may actually be sketchy. 213 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: Right, the bond that may be sketchy. That's still being challenged. 214 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: That's going to be determined in a hearing next week. 215 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: And also, but. 216 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: Even if it isn't, even if it's declared valid, the 217 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: guy who provided the bond was on the record is saying, well, 218 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: we probably should have charged him a higher fee, like 219 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: I mean, this is just he just gets second chance 220 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: after second chance, and I think that that is why 221 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: it so often feels like he's not gonna face consequences. 222 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of anxiety I feel 223 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: like everywhere that Trump will be president again and that 224 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: it's sort of an inevitability. I don't think that, But 225 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: I would love you to just sort of talk us 226 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: through why actually incumbency is a huge advantage and what 227 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: you sort of what you think. 228 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that this far out you look at 229 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: the polls, is Biden winning. 230 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: No. 231 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: But I think that there was a narrative there for 232 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: maybe about particularly six weeks or two months to start 233 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: the year, that oh, Trump's winning, et cetera. I think 234 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: that was always overstated at the time. I think it's 235 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 3: just actually inaccurate now for the president in terms of 236 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: the incumbency. I mean, I think that Biden being the 237 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: president certainly gives him an advantage in breaking into coverage 238 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: because Trump's always going to suck up so much coverage, 239 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 3: and even more so with his criminal trials, because I 240 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: mean the criminal trials, I'm like, you know, there was criticism, 241 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: I think quite valo criticism for example of carrying Trump's 242 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: rallies live back in twenty sixteen, which, like political rallies, 243 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: is not unprecedent. A criminal trial of a president is unprecedent, 244 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: right right, as a former president and by being president, 245 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: can break through that can be announcing legislation, can be 246 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: announcing initiatives that can try and cut through it and 247 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 3: appeal to certain voters. The polls have started to move 248 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: in Biden's direction as more voters have, particularly the Democratic side, 249 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: have started to pay more attention because there wasn't a 250 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: contested primary on the Democratic side. Really, there were some 251 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: attempts by some kas that just didn't catch on. 252 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: There wasn't a real left primary, which is unusual. 253 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think now that voters are starting to tune 254 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: in and starting to come to terms sort of grips 255 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 3: with a Trump Biden rematch, that the polls are started 256 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 3: to move a little bit in Biden's direction, And I 257 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: think we'll see what particularly as Biden brings his money 258 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: advantage to bear, I think we'll see to movement. But 259 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: it's going to be a close election, I think, quite 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: right to the end. 261 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I vacillate between thinking that and I've had a 262 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: lot of smart people on here have said that, and 263 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: then I vacillate between thinking like, there's also a possibility that, 264 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: like the unprecedented nature of this creates an unprecedented scenario. 265 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to imagine Trump changing hearts and minds. 266 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: One of the things yesterday that was lost in the 267 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: news cycleon I think think it really was lost in 268 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: the new cycle because Republicans are so good at office scating. 269 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: They had yet another failed impeachment with the first time 270 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: in one hundred years they tried to impeach a cabinet secretary, 271 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: and again my Arcis was not impeached on high crimes 272 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: and misdemeanors. He was impeached on not pleasing the GOP 273 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: bass Can you talk. 274 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: About that absolutely? As you said, the movement to impeach majorcists, 275 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: which had been in the works, you know, on the 276 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: House side for pretty much since I think the first 277 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: day of Biden's presidency, that basically came and went in 278 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: a day. The articles were introduced in the Senate, where 279 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: they were delivered to the Sun on Tuesday. The Senate 280 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: held a vote on Wednesday and decided, as you said, 281 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: that they noted that these charges as you said, first 282 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: of all, this is only the second cabinet secretary ever 283 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: to be impeached. The first one was impeached on bribery grounds. 284 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: The presidential impeachments have been on abuse of office, not 285 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: policy disagreements. So you have Republicans complaining Democrats moved to 286 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: dismiss the articles, to basically table them, and to say 287 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: that what you are accusing Secretary of my Erkus of 288 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: is not an impeachable offense. And you have Republicans out 289 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: there saying, even some who expressed skepticism about the charge 290 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: against my york As, people like Senator Mitt Romney who 291 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: still voted, they wanted to have a debate and they 292 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: were The Republicans are arguing, oh, this is unprecedented. How 293 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: could you This creates a terrible president for future impeachments 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: because parties can just dismiss them. I mean, first of all, 295 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: I would argue it's a more terrible president for Donald 296 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: Trump to have not faced but not been convicted for 297 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: January six. But let's set that aside for a second. 298 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: But the fact is that the charges in this were 299 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: entirely unprecedented. In arguing that this was an impeachable offense, 300 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's happy with the current immigration system. 301 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: I think that's pretty clear. But we all know that 302 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: Democrats and a few center Republicans struck a deal that 303 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: frankly was way too lopsided anyway towards conservative as I mean, 304 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: Conservatives got basically everything they wanted, Democrats got very little 305 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: of what they wanted. That was the deal, and at 306 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's beha, Republicans killed it because they don't actually 307 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: want to fix what's going on the board. You know, 308 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: Fox News wants a t for b role, Donald Trump 309 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: wants to campaign on. That's what they want to talk about, 310 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: especially now that they've you know, they're not talking about 311 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: the economy and inflation as much anymore. They aren't talking 312 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: about crime rates as much anymore because I don't know, 313 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: if you saw the reports earlier this week that homicides 314 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: are down and way down in cities around the country. 315 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: You know, they're losing a lot of their main talking 316 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: points against Biden. That was going to be the triumph 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: after all that anti woke stuff didn't work in the 318 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: midterms and then again twenty twenty three, there was going 319 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: to be the economy, immigration, and crime. And they've already 320 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: lost big chunks of two of those three, so they 321 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: just want to keep the immigration as a talking point. 322 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Thank you so much, Jim. I hope 323 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: you'll come back. 324 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: I'd always love to be here. 325 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Spring is here, and I bet you are trying to 326 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: look fashionable, So why not pick up some fashionable all 327 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: new Fast Politics merchandise. We just opened a news store 328 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: with all new designed just for you. Get t shirts, hoodies, hats, 329 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: and toe bags. To grab some head to fastpolitics dot com. 330 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Mark Kelly is the senior Senator from the state of Arizona. 331 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Senator Mark Kelly. Thank you 332 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: so excited to have you more in Arizona. And I 333 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: mean so you must have known that there was insanity 334 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: in your state house, but now the rest of the 335 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: country knows. 336 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: Well. 337 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 5: I wouldn't characterize it as it's like that this whole 338 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: issue and where we are with this law from eighteen 339 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: sixty four is not who we are as a state. 340 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: It's the fringe. 341 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 5: It's a fringe number of people in the state House, 342 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 5: the state Senate, it's a Supreme Court that surprised us. 343 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 5: To be honest, I don't think many people were expecting. 344 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 5: Surprised us with this decision to bring back this one 345 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: hundred and sixty year old draconian law. Now, obviously women 346 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: are scared of this, and the stakes are very high. 347 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: The legislature so far has failed to fix this. They 348 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 5: need to keep trying because it is putting the lives 349 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 5: of women at risk. 350 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: So what I'm so struck by with is the Democrats 351 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: in the state legislature, despite the fact that this could 352 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: really help them electorally, are working really hard to try 353 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: to overturn this law, and the Republicans are refusing to budge. 354 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: And in fact, we've seen video offs the floor of 355 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: Republicans hooting themselves and clapping as they continue to really 356 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: sign their electoral defeat warrant for November. 357 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so struck by Trump would. 358 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: Not allow the border bill to get passed because he 359 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: wanted to run on it, And here are Democrats really 360 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing for women. 361 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's issue after issue, whether it's border security. 362 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 5: We worked on a bipartisan proposal and we're really close 363 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 5: to getting it pass in the Senate, and unfortunately, my 364 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 5: Republican colleagues ran away from it because they thought this 365 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 5: would help Donald Trump. He didn't want to do it, 366 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 5: and he needed it for the political purposes, so they 367 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 5: wanted to continue to have the problem instead the solution, 368 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 5: which we have to live with this problem every single 369 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 5: day in Arizona, and I'm going to continue to fight 370 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 5: to fix this same issue here, you know, sort of 371 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 5: similar Democrats in the State House the state Senate want 372 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 5: to fix this because it is a problem that needs 373 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: to be addressed. We can't have women's lives at risk 374 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 5: because of a law that was passed before Arizona was 375 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 5: a state in eighteen sixty. More So, I think I've 376 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 5: seen this story before where myself and my Democratic colleagues 377 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 5: have been on the side of let's try to solve 378 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 5: the problem, and unfortunately, in many cases, my Republican colleagues 379 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 5: have been more about the politics. 380 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: It's not like Republicans have a super majority in the 381 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: state House. They just have a few more votes. But 382 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: they have really stuck on this really extreme position. Why 383 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: do you think that is. 384 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: Well, I think some of them really believe this is 385 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 5: what our states should look like. Unfortunately, and they do 386 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: feel it's appropriate to criminalize doctors for doing their jobs. 387 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 5: I don't think that represents most of Arizona. I think 388 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 5: that's a few fringe figures in the state House in 389 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 5: the state Senate. But when you're talking about a very 390 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 5: slim majority one or two seats, a couple individuals really 391 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 5: have an outsized impact. 392 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: So right now in the Senate you have this foreign surveillance. 393 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: It's come through the House. Now you guys are looking 394 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: at it. Is that what's next on the agenda? And 395 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: can you talk us through it a little bit? 396 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 5: Vote is open right now on reauthorization of IZA for 397 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 5: a couple of years or taking the house build There 398 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 5: were some changes, there's some additional protections, there were some concerns. 399 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 4: We've made some changes to it. 400 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 5: We'll have an opportunity to vote on it, and I 401 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 5: think we'll have the votes to get it passed. It 402 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 5: is a very important piece of legislation that keeps us safe. 403 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 5: If we don't get this done here this week and 404 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: it expires a lot of the intelligence that agencies rely 405 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 5: on to make decisions about our own national security, we 406 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: won't have access to that anymore. So it's important we 407 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: get this pass and I think it's going to pass Today. 408 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 5: We have our first vote on it going on right now. 409 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 5: I'm going to leave the studio here and go to 410 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 5: the Florida vote. 411 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: The other thing that the House is practically in fisticuffs 412 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: over is these foreign aid packages, whatever they look like. 413 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: Ami, are you optimistic? 414 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: David Frum said this the other day when I was 415 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: with him on a show and we were talking, and 416 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: he said, and I don't even realized this, that Republicans 417 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: have never authorized any extra aid for Ukraine since they 418 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: took over the half. 419 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 5: I mean as a group, yes, I'd say that that's true. 420 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 5: The legislation we passed about ten weeks ago in the 421 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 5: Senate that included Ukraine aid for the Western Pacific, which 422 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 5: is along with China and Israel and you humanitarianate. That 423 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: piece of legislation went over there to the Speaker's desk. 424 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 5: It's been sitting there. The easiest way to do this 425 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 5: is for him to bring that to the floor, because 426 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 5: it does have bipartisan support, it would get publican votes. 427 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 5: He can send it to the President. He's made this 428 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: other decision to break it up into pieces helps his 429 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 5: Republican members to not have to vote on something that 430 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 5: includes Ukraine aid when they don't want to do this. 431 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 5: They'll pass that with mostly Democrats and some Republicans. Then 432 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 5: they will put it all back together. So it's like 433 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 5: taking the jigsaw puzzle, break into the part, voting on 434 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 5: the pieces, and then putting the pieces back together, sending 435 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: it over here, and then we could pass it as 436 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 5: one piece of legislation. That's the current plan. You're right, 437 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 5: there are a lot of Republicans in the House that 438 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 5: unfortunately are missing the big picture here on Ukraine. Some 439 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 5: of them, unfortunately, are starting to use some of Russia's 440 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 5: talking points on this. I think they're unclear where the 441 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 5: former president and is on aid to Ukraine. He is 442 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 5: very specific about it. That gives them some level of apprehension. 443 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 5: The bottom line here is if we don't give Ukraine 444 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 5: the ammunition they need to be successful, they will lose. 445 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: When they lose, I'm convinced that Vladimir Putin will set 446 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: his sights ultimately on another target, and if that's a 447 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 5: NATO country, then we will be involved in direct combat 448 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 5: operations with Russia, and we don't want that. 449 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: Michael McCall, Republican in the House who I'm sure you 450 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: now and said that he had seen members of his 451 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: parties spout in Russian propaganda. 452 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: That struck me. 453 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: And there was another Republican too who said that, and 454 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you think about that. And also are 455 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: huge shops that this problem is so bad that Republicans 456 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: are breaking ranks to talk about it. 457 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: I've seen even some of my colleagues in the Senate 458 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: news phrases that you know clearly is you know earlier, 459 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: you know came from somebody in Russia. I've seen that, 460 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 5: and that's disappointing, and I'm not sure they necessarily know 461 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 5: that where it came from. My hope is as we 462 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 5: continue to debate, you know, these issues, they would see that, 463 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 5: you know, the right thing to do for the future 464 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 5: of our own country is to support Ukraine. And by 465 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 5: the way, as we give Ukraine the security assistance it needs, 466 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 5: which is largely munitions. It's artillery shells, I Mars rounds, 467 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: Patriot you know rounds, and other equipment, it allows us 468 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 5: to replenish our own munition stores with news new equipment. 469 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 5: So it's a positive thing for for us too. And 470 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 5: not all Republicans, I mean, especially in the Senate, I 471 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 5: mean my Senate Republican colleagues feel as strongly about many 472 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 5: of them, most of them as supporting Ukraine as I do, 473 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: and I mean they're very frustrated frustrated as well about 474 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 5: what's going on in the House. Our hope here is 475 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 5: the House figures out how to do what they're currently 476 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 5: planning on doing, which is breaking us up, voting on 477 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: the pieces, putting it back together, sending it over to us, 478 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: and we can get this done, this knocked off here 479 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 5: in the next couple of days or early next week. 480 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, what I think is so interesting about this 481 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: scorna is it's Taiwan, it's Ukraine, and it's also Israel. 482 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 5: There's another piece of this that includes REPO, which is 483 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 5: you know, the way we could, if it passed, take 484 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 5: the frozen Russian assets that are here, oh yeah, in Europe. 485 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 5: We could use that to provide Ukraine with munitions or 486 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: for a rebuilding effort. There's also the TikTok bill that 487 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 5: passes is part of this. There's a fentanyl provision. There 488 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 5: are a couple other things that may or may not. 489 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 5: The negotiation is still going on. What there would be 490 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: that would be a separate piece of legislation that would 491 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 5: have all those specific items, and then there would be 492 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 5: another thing for Israel, another one for Ukraine, another one 493 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 5: for into pay Com, which is Taiwan. 494 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you have a national security background besides being 495 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: a cool astronaut. Do you you think the TikTok ban? 496 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that happens, and do you 497 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: think it's necessary? 498 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 5: Well, if they pass it in the House and they 499 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 5: send it over as one big piece of legislation with 500 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 5: it in there, we could be in a situation where 501 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 5: it would be hard for us to amend it and 502 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: send it back over because of the challenges the speaker 503 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 5: is having in getting the votes and the process he's 504 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 5: having to take to you know, my wife's wife. He said, 505 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: tell me, you don't want to see how the sausage 506 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 5: is made. This is the making of the sausage. So 507 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: I think we could wind up in a situation where 508 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 5: we have to vote on it. 509 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: It's a tough issue. 510 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 5: I mean, you're balancing the rights of Americans to get 511 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: their information where they want to get it from the 512 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 5: First Amendment rights issue. We also have to understand, especially 513 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 5: for a lot of young people, they get their new 514 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 5: they get most of their relevant, you know, important information, 515 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 5: they get it from TikTok. Would we allow a Chinese 516 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 5: company to come to the United States and buy let's say, 517 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: one hundred TV stations or one hundred million. The answer 518 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 5: is no, we would not allow that. Where I sit 519 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 5: on the Intelligence Committee, we talk about this issue a lot. 520 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 5: I do have concerns about the Chinese government using this 521 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 5: platform at some point to attempt to manipulate the American public. 522 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: That's a real threat. So we're continuing to discuss it. 523 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 5: It's kind of interesting. I've been asking a lot of 524 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 5: young people about this, teenagers, you know, high school kids, 525 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 5: kids in college about TikTok, if they use it, how 526 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 5: they would feel if it couldn't be sold and it 527 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: was shut down in the United States. It's pretty interesting. 528 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 5: Even among a lot of folks that use it and 529 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: use it routinely, most of them, I would say upwards 530 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 5: of eighty percent do not have a huge problem with 531 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 5: their being changes and possibly even at being unavailable. That 532 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 5: surprised me. 533 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: That is really spressed here. You could also force the sale, right, well. 534 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 5: That's what the legislation that the House had passed said. 535 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 5: You know how it would have to be sold in 536 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 5: six months. 537 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: That if it was a. 538 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: Sold then it would not be available on app stores, 539 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 5: and so we made the use what they're planning on 540 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 5: sending over to us. 541 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 4: I think it extends that to a year, and there's 542 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: some other changes in it. 543 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, when you think about what a big deal 544 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: it is to have China control the flow of information 545 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: to everyone under the age of thirty, I mean that's 546 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: a pretty big deal. It is a concern, yes, yeah, 547 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: TikTok people have started lobbying. 548 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and we've gotten a lot of calls 549 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 5: about it. And you know they did on TikTok ask 550 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 5: a huge number of people to reach out to us 551 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 5: to lobby for it. 552 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 4: And by the way, I don't think it's available in 553 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 4: China and India. Bandit. 554 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: It's a different algorithm that makes people smarter and less insane, right, 555 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: I Mean what is so interesting to me is like 556 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: we've had so little back regulation when you think about Facebook, 557 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: like there's so much opportunity for regulation. 558 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: Are you surprised we haven't had more? 559 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 5: Congress should have acted on legislation on social media a 560 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: decade a but go, and it's something we talk about 561 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 5: a lot here. We're trying to do something productive on it. 562 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 5: I mean, there are a lot of issues, especially with 563 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 5: young people with teenagers around the amount of time they 564 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 5: spend on social media about how they I mean psychological 565 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 5: issues on how people are affected in Congress, like on 566 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 5: other things, Congress has failed on this issue. 567 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that there can be greater regulation now 568 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: for technology? 569 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: Is there an appetite in Condre There is? 570 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: I mean, and it's something you know that. 571 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 5: I mean, we discuss it a lot, and there are 572 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 5: bills that are moving forward often, this legislation takes a 573 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 5: lot longer than I would hope. It's a long process, 574 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: especially in the Senate. I mean the rules of the 575 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 5: Senate that make things just take a long time. If 576 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 5: NASA had the rules of the United States Senate, the 577 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 5: rocket ship would never leave the launch beat. 578 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: This is like a very bad map for Democrats the 579 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: Senate out But these Kuboky candidates seem really bad. I mean, 580 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: are you hopeful and if so, you know, I know 581 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: our listeners would love to know sort of what races 582 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: you're watching that you're sort of the most hopeful about or. 583 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 5: That you feel needs to bord We've got great candidates 584 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 5: running for reelection and for open seats like in Arizona, 585 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 5: in Michigan. You know, Lissa slock In in Michigan, Ruben 586 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 5: Diego and Arizona are experienced, are smart now the right background. 587 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: Rubens a marine, Alyssa Slockins a former CIA agent. 588 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 4: These are you know, currently open seats. 589 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 5: You talk about Texas, we have an opportunity Florida, Texas. 590 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: Colin alrhtt is running against Ted Cruz. These civil rights attorney, 591 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 5: Member of the House former I think he was a 592 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 5: linebacker for the Tennessee Titans. Great guy, They're working really hard. 593 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 5: Then you look at the Democrats that are running for reelection, 594 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: John Tester and Montana, Jackie Rosen in Nevada, Tammy Baldwin 595 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: in Wisconsin, Sheared Brown in Ohio, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania. 596 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 5: Very effective legislators, great leaders who've worked really, really hard 597 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 5: with a lot of grassroots support, and a lot of 598 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 5: them happen to be running against just ury wealthy opponents 599 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: that were recruited because they have a big bank roll. 600 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's so interesting. Thank you so much, Senator. 601 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: Well you're welcome. Thank you for inviting me on your ship. 602 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: Congressman Dan Goleman represents New York's tenth district. 603 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to fast politics. Congressman Goldman, thanks so much for 604 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: havingy Mollik. 605 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: Great to be with you. 606 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: A lot of excitement, and by excitement, i'm me. And 607 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: what even is happening in Congress right now? 608 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: Well, we are seeing a clash of two wings of 609 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 4: the Republican Party. The one wing is the one controlled 610 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 4: by Trump and the Maga Republicans, who really don't want 611 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: to govern, do not want to do anything that would 612 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: help the American people, do not really believe in democracy, 613 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: and they're therefore pretty content with supporting Vladimir Putin. I 614 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: call this the Putin wing of the Republican Party. 615 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: So let's just. 616 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: Talk for a second about what's happening right now with 617 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: the supplemental that needs to get through the House. The 618 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: last reporting I read involved these kind of Freedom Caucus 619 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: people setting up a group with the acronym fart. 620 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's pretty appropriate. It appears that they 621 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 4: wouldn't think about what the acronym is, or maybe they did. 622 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 4: It's appropriate either way. There's a civil war that's more 623 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 4: or less than resolved in the republic Can Party that 624 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has won and the Maga Republicans have won, 625 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 4: and it is anti democratic, it is isolationists, and it 626 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 4: is really designed to uproot, up end, and overturn all 627 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 4: of our democratic values and institutions. That has been the 628 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 4: thread that has kept the Speaker from actually putting Ukraine 629 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 4: eight on the floor, even though probably three hundred of 630 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 4: the four hundred and thirty five members of the House 631 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 4: support Ukraine eight, and he does finally, with the benefit 632 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 4: of the highest level of intelligence briefings that he gets 633 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 4: as part of the Gang of Eight, understands the dire 634 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: need that Ukraine has for our assistance and what the 635 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 4: impact would be if Ukraine doesn't get that aid and 636 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 4: if Vladimir Putin were to be able to conquer Ukraine, 637 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 4: and then unquestionably he would continue on his march to 638 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 4: take over Poland, yeah, or any of the former Soviet states. 639 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: Basically, right now there's machinations about Republicans trying to get 640 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: rid of the motion to vacate to protect Johnson or now. 641 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 4: My understanding is the latest information is that they will 642 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: not change the rules. But what the Speaker has done 643 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 4: is because the rules allow for one person like Marjorie 644 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 4: Taylor Green to completely grind Congress to a halt because 645 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 4: of this motion to vacate there's outsized influence for each 646 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 4: individual member, especially in the Republican Party. And the Speaker 647 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 4: appears to be moving forward with this supplemental and it 648 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 4: is almost identical to the Senate Eate. There may be 649 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 4: an additional fourth bill that adds in some other pieces 650 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 4: of legislation in addition to the Senate ad, but none 651 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 4: that seemed to be especially controversial. And he finally decided 652 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 4: that he was going to do the right thing by Ukraine, 653 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 4: by democracy, by the United States, rather than cater to 654 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 4: the extremeist wing of his party. And he seems willing 655 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 4: to take the consequences, whatever they may be. And I 656 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 4: have to say that I did not expect this from him, 657 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: and I have to applaud him or bucking the arsonists 658 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 4: on the right and doing what is the right thing 659 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 4: in putting this bill on the floor. 660 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: But you have to wonder what he must have seen 661 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: in those intelligence briefings that changed his mind. Right, Like, 662 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: remember he was like number five or six in Republican leadership. 663 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was barely sort of on the 664 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: radar when he was so trumpy. I mean, someone must 665 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: have showed him something that convinced him. 666 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 4: Right, Well, we've all gotten some level of classified briefings, 667 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 4: not with the detail and level that he would receive, 668 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 4: and it is very parent without getting into any classified information, 669 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 4: that Ukraine is on the brink right now and they're 670 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 4: out of ammunition, they're out of materiel, they're out of 671 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 4: military equipment, and they cannot withstand Russia if they do 672 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 4: not get some urgently and immediately. And I think what 673 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 4: listening to him, what really does seem to have finally 674 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: gotten through, is that he realizes that this would be 675 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 4: the beginning of Vladimir Putin's march, not the end of it. 676 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 4: And so sixty billion dollars now in military support, eighty 677 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 4: percent of which by the way, goes to US companies 678 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 4: defense companies to restore and restock are arsenal. So it 679 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 4: is also beneficial for the economy, putting aside whatever you 680 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: may think about the defense industrial complex. But he realized 681 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 4: is that this would be the beginning and the next 682 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 4: thing that would happen is that Putin would invade another country, 683 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 4: probably a NATO country, that would then require US to 684 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 4: send troops. And so a sixty billion dollar investment right 685 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 4: now that could prevent American troops from going there and 686 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 4: hundreds of billions of dollars spent on a future war 687 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 4: is a smart investment, and that seems to finally have 688 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 4: resonated with him. 689 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what's happening in New York, because 690 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: you know this New York DA's office, they are zipping 691 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: through picking a jury. I want you to talk about 692 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: what your take is. I mean, you have seen so 693 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: many of these cases. What do you think about what 694 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: you're seeing here? And also how it's affecting Trump. 695 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: I've always eagerly awaited Donald Trump being in a courtroom 696 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 4: because he has no control in a courtroom. Politics and 697 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 4: partisanship do not matter. Misinformation, disinformation and outright lies are 698 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 4: not accepted and not permit. And the rules are the 699 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 4: rules that apply to everyone, including him, and he generally 700 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 4: is someone who believes the rules don't apply to him, 701 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: which is part of the reason why he has for 702 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 4: indictments against him. And so, you know, seeing him or 703 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 4: hearing about him sitting there watching the jury selection, falling asleep, 704 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 4: I guess he's too old to be president, falling asleep 705 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 4: at his own criminal trial. All of the pomp and 706 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 4: circumstances and bluster and press conferences and all the partisanship 707 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 4: and all the politicization that he brings to everything that 708 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 4: he does goes out the window. When you get into 709 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 4: a court of law, the facts will matter, the evidence 710 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 4: will matter, and the law will matter, and that's it. 711 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 4: It will be very interesting to see. I was incredibly 712 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: disheartened to read that at least one juror perhaps there 713 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 4: are others, begged off of the jury because of fear 714 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 4: for his or her own safety. And I will tell 715 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 4: you I've done a number of trials as a prosecutor. 716 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 4: I picked a lot of juries. 717 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 6: I did a double murder racketeering trial against the boss 718 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 6: of the Genevez crime family and two other associates of 719 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 6: the genevie'z crime family, one of whom ultimately killed Whitey 720 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 6: Bulger in jail. 721 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 3: And I never have heard of a. 722 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 4: Juror genuinely fearing for his or her safety. It can happen. 723 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 4: But the notion that Donald Trump would invoke such fear 724 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 4: because of his incitement of violence, because of what he 725 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 4: did on January sixth, because of the domestic violent extremists 726 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 4: who he uses as his threatth is a reflection of 727 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 4: something really rotten. When you start hearing about members in 728 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 4: the Senate, as Mitt Romney said, who changed their vote 729 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 4: because they're worried about their own safety. You start to 730 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 4: realize that this person is a danger far beyond just 731 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 4: to our democracy, to our norms, but is actually a 732 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 4: danger to individual safety. And that was really disheartening to read. 733 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: What I'm struck by when we read the reporting out 734 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: of this courtroom is that there's just a lot of 735 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: kind of mafia like tactics that Trump uses, right, a 736 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: lot of intimidation stuff and trying to find out if. 737 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: These jurors are biased. 738 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: I loved when Trump was like, we should move this 739 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: trial to staten Holland what I'm struck by is just 740 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: that he has to like sit there for so many hours, 741 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: and that he's never just had to sit somewhere, and 742 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: he can't play with his phone, I mean, and that 743 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: I think is probably why he keeps falling asleep right now. 744 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 4: That means seventy seven years old, I don't know, but yeah, 745 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 4: That's sort of the point. Is that this persona that 746 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has created that started with the Apprentice and 747 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 4: worked his way all way up to the presidency, and 748 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 4: now he has this maga cult that listens to its 749 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 4: every word, even though he lies right, left and center, 750 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 4: all of that is gone. He is defendant Donald Trump, 751 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 4: and that's all that he is. And he's sitting there 752 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 4: at a table in the courtroom, just like every other 753 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 4: defendant does, going through the same process that every other 754 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 4: defendant does. And I actually think that is incredibly important. 755 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 4: It is incredibly important for the American people to see 756 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 4: that our rule of law, our criminal justice system, applies 757 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 4: equally to every single person in this country, regardless of 758 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 4: whether you are a former president or not. And he 759 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 4: has the same rules, the same laws, the same procedures 760 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 4: as anyone else does. And that is the foundation of 761 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 4: our country. And I think it's really really important that 762 00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 4: the American people watch that happening. Thank you, Congressman, No problem, 763 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: take care, no moment. 764 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 7: Jesse Cannon, Molly jung Fest. I once read a history 765 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 7: of the mob in New York at every hour of 766 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 7: the day, scenes from it just flashed through my head 767 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 7: during this Trump trial. 768 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: So Fox News hosts Jesse Waters, I mean, they're just 769 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: doing everything they can to try to intimidate these jurors 770 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: into getting Trump off. He broadcasted extensive biographical details about 771 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: jural Number two, her neighborhood, her occupation, education, marital and 772 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: familial status, and what industry her fiance works in. He 773 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: concluded by saying, I'm not cho sure about juror number two. 774 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: By the way, this is such an insane way for 775 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: a television host to act. 776 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this is one. 777 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: Of the most insane things I've seen that Fox do, 778 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: and it is insane even for Fox. Jesse Waters is 779 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: our moment of fuck Ray. That's it for this episode 780 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday 781 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: to hear the best minds in politics makes sense of 782 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard, please 783 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 784 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.