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Speaker 2: Three punter Bane, Oh what a man. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Action Network Podcast presented by Fan Duel. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: J'll Glant with the Action Network and today very special day.

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Speaker 2: It's NBA Draft Betting Preview Day. We're gonna be looking

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Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty three draft, looking at some betting markets,

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Speaker 2: and I'm joined by Action Network betting experts Brian Vonseca

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Speaker 2: and Luke Swain also known as Vegas Refund. Now, before

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Speaker 2: Luke and Brian let us know kind of what they're

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Speaker 2: thinking about the draft here, I wanted to remind everybody

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Speaker 2: the NBA Draft is next Thursday, June twenty second here

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Speaker 2: on this podcast, so we'll have two NBA Draft betting

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Speaker 2: episodes this one, What's another episode next week, and we'll

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Speaker 2: have lots of draft content featuring even more Action experts,

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Speaker 2: including Brandon Anderson. He'll be over on the NBA podcast

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Speaker 2: Buckets as well as the Favorites podcast with Simon and

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Speaker 2: Chad next week, so be sure to check those out

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Speaker 2: as well, okay, first and foremost, let's start with a

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Speaker 2: little refresher for our audience. People may not be betting

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Speaker 2: the NBA Draft as often as we are. A little

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Speaker 2: reminder kind of like how we did our NFL Draft episode,

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Speaker 2: So Brian Loup, short and simple for those new to

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Speaker 2: betting the draft, why and how is betting on the

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Speaker 2: NBA Draft different and why is it better than betting

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Speaker 2: on some actual NBA games.

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Speaker 3: For starters, A lot of those long shots that people

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Speaker 3: are sort of sensilated by, you could actually hit on

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Speaker 3: a couple throughout the course of the draft because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of unpredictability that comes with it. Right, if

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Speaker 3: you're watching a game, you could sort of see, all right,

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Speaker 3: I have the rhythm of how this can happen, and

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Speaker 3: you know can project where this is going to go.

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Speaker 1: For the draft, it's.

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Speaker 3: More there's more unpredictable lead to it, which also makes

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Speaker 3: for a fun betting experience. And on top of that,

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Speaker 3: there are trades to account for, and in talking about trades,

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Speaker 3: which is something that we're going to get into, those

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Speaker 3: are hard to predict. So in doing that, there's just

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Speaker 3: a lot of possibilities to land on something that's plus

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Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, Luke, how about yourself.

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Speaker 4: The NFL draft has become somewhat of a like spectacle,

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Speaker 4: specifically this past draft, it seemed like like everyone was

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Speaker 4: betting it, where years past there was somewhat of an

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Speaker 4: under the radar type event to bet into.

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Speaker 1: Coming up to this NBA draft, Like, the first thing

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Speaker 4: This NBA draft might be like the NBA might be

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Speaker 4: more leverageable than the NFL because we've had NBA playoffs

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot less eyeballs.

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Speaker 4: On the NBA draft right now, where lines aren't moving

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Speaker 4: nearly as much for the NFL. So just the lack

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Speaker 4: And for me, like for someone who like really isn't

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Speaker 4: quote unquote NBA expert, I have no bias on anything

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Speaker 4: where we've always brought into the equation like eliminate your

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Speaker 4: personal bias when betting the draft, which I literally have none.

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Speaker 1: I know nothing about a lot of.

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Speaker 4: These players other than what schools they've gone to, and

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Speaker 4: that really is honestly an advantage because you can just

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Speaker 4: eliminate your opinion and just bet off of info. And

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Speaker 4: I actually somewhat think the opposite to what Brian said,

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Speaker 4: where this is way more predictable than anything. It's informational based,

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Speaker 1: Can't predict that.

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Speaker 4: The commissioner just has to take the card of the podium,

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Speaker 4: and that's a bet. There's a lot less volatility if

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Speaker 1: Those are the best.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Pablo is twenty five to one ago one

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Speaker 4: attention to as much. Where Brandon Miller was nine to

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Speaker 2: I think you guys both make great points in that

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Speaker 2: This is actually the first time in five years where

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Speaker 2: the first overall pick market has had market consensus for

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Speaker 4: And but just going back to your point, where like

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Speaker 4: and referencing the big boards, I can definitely come into

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Speaker 2: Great point, Luke. And and one of those things too about

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Speaker 2: do influence the NBA betting market for the draft. And Luke,

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Speaker 2: you have compiled this gold mine of information with your

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Speaker 2: thirty different reputable mock drafters, you know, gathering consensus on

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Speaker 2: these mock drafters, is there one that has more influence

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that is another difference, where like the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: But out of like the ones that have.

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Speaker 4: Compiled, there is like a core four, which is Wasserman, Assini, GIVENI,

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Speaker 4: Did, like somewhat of like a personal rating, and by

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Speaker 1: Of every pick.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Washerman does great work. And Brian I wanted

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be careful with mock drafts and

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Speaker 3: information in general around this time of year. Like there

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Speaker 3: an NBA draft dot Net typically does a good job of,

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Speaker 1: That's what some other.

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Speaker 3: ultimately it's the same. So yeah, I would say Gavoni, Wasserman, Vessini,

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Speaker 4: It's the most copycat product that exists, and it's the

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Speaker 4: But like when someone like Washerman puts him up like

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Speaker 2: So really what we're coming down to, and what we

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Speaker 2: really want to tell people is there's a select few

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Speaker 2: All right, let's look past the first pick, because obviously

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's a done deal, but it definitely

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Speaker 2: So I guess then the pivot then if we're looking

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Speaker 4: I cannot recommend that that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I got to ask this question.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be unprecedented. But at the

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Speaker 2: And I think that was the reason why I was asking,

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Speaker 4: So I would say, like if there's someone like directly

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Speaker 1: I think he went exactly thirteen. But like Ball, I'm

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Speaker 3: I think I have that right.

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Speaker 4: Uh, He's one guy who's been getting a time momentum

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Speaker 4: And then there's a couple other guys like Jalen Hood

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Speaker 3: the lottery. That doesn't mean he will, but it means

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Speaker 3: like he'll be tantalizing enough for somebody in that ten

437
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 3: to fourteen race to really take a chance on him. Right.

438
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: So Coola Bobby's one, Jordan Hawkins is one, and then

439
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 3: I had another Taylor Hendricks we talked about earlier before

440
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 3: we got on here, and he's got what a lot

441
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: of people are saying three and D potential, but he's

442
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 3: six nine. A lot of the guys who talk about

443
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: having three and D potential are like sixty five, sixty

444
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: six or whatever. So I think NBA teams are going

445
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: to look at that in the top ten, and this

446
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: is somebody who's not projected to be a top ten

447
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: pick earlier this year. They're gonna look at him in

448
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 3: the top ten, his skill set, his profile, well, he

449
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: showed us Central Florida and be like, Okay, Taylor Hendricks,

450
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 3: and he's somebody who's over under I think is now

451
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: in the single digits right, So he's somebody you can

452
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 3: look at in the top ten as well.

453
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Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about Jordan Hawkins just for a

454
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Speaker 2: second because as somebody who follows the mock drafts a

455
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: year round and remembering even just before the tournament even started,

456
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: he was probably mocked in the twenties around there, and

457
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm seeing is over under at fourteen and a half

458
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 2: with the under around minus one oh five, And again,

459
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure is that something that you would recommend

460
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: to a better to maybe look at at the fourteen

461
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: and a half range just based on the mock drafts

462
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: that we've seen, or do you think we should hold

463
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 2: off on Jordan Hawkins.

464
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: The dangerous thing about waiting is the way he's been

465
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Speaker 3: trending is that number might actually get to like minus

466
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 3: one twenty five, minus one thirty and you could see

467
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: less value there. So that's something that I'd really consider

468
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 3: putting it down now because of just the buzz around

469
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: him and him rising up the draft boards. That's a

470
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Speaker 3: different conversation. This is saying whether he's worth going that early, right,

471
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Speaker 3: because that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking

472
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Speaker 3: about how these teams are potentially going to pick. And

473
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Speaker 3: as of now ten days ahead, it looks like he

474
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Speaker 3: may be a lottery pick. So minus one oh five there,

475
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't sound too bad. And I'm not sure. I'm

476
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: not sure or if it's going to get better for

477
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: you in terms of value with Jordan Hawkins unless some

478
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Speaker 3: things change over the next week and a half.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the guys like Hawkins, where like there's such

480
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: it's there's such a great areahere, like Hawkins, like his

481
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 4: biggest skill set that he's basically getting drafted off of

482
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: his his shooting ability. I mean I would compare it

483
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Speaker 4: to like a player who runs a sub four three

484
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 4: at the NFL combine and if you take away his

485
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: forty like he's would probably go in like the second

486
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Speaker 4: or third round. Where Hawkins, you take away his shooting

487
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Speaker 4: ability and who knows where he goes because.

488
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Speaker 1: He doesn't offer a lot other than that.

489
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Speaker 4: So like there's definitely a volatility where like fourteen and

490
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: a half, like I could I've been flip flopping, like

491
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 4: love the under, love the over.

492
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Speaker 1: He's just one hat.

493
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 4: Like there's just the shooters can go so much higher

494
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: than you expect and at the same time, like they

495
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 4: could go lower. Because it is very much like and

496
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Speaker 4: I remember Hawkins in the tournament, Like I remember I

497
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Speaker 4: was like, I love this guy, and I went into

498
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 4: draft process like he was one of the guys at

499
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Speaker 4: pinpoint and one of the few personal biases I probably

500
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 4: had based off of March Madness experience.

501
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: But like the shooters are very much it's like.

502
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: The Henry Ruggs going as the first wide receiver because

503
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: he ran a four to two. If that's an okay example,

504
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: this still is. But like Hawkins is just that sharp

505
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: shooter that I think it's it's a very comparable trait

506
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: that teams can fall in love.

507
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: With well, and like Hawkins and like Ruggs, you just

508
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: need a team like the Raiders in the draft to

509
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 2: do that, and all you need is one team. So

510
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Speaker 2: Ryan thinks we should take a look at him on

511
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: the under fourteen and a half if you could find

512
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: it out there. Luke maybe wants to just stay put,

513
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: but again, we all saw what he could do in

514
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: the draft as a translatable skill in the NBA. Actually

515
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger too than I thought. I thought

516
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: he was like six two six threes. He's actually listed

517
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: at six to five. Again, they can fudge those a

518
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: little bit. But at the same time, again in this

519
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: NBA where we're looking for positionless basketball and you're switching

520
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: on defense all the time, that's one of the knocks

521
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: on Scoo to the fact that he's six too as

522
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: opposed to Brandon Miller, who's around the six eight sixty

523
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: nine range, and why people are maybe starting to downgrade

524
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: Scoop because of that size discrepancy. Now, the next thing

525
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you guys is Marcus, that we

526
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: can monitor now some of the draft bets that we

527
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Speaker 2: want to make, because I know that there's probably some

528
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: people out there that are wondering. Okay, we've talked like hypothetical,

529
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: what's some bets that we can make right now and

530
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: get some value. And Luke, you were looking at a

531
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: matchup market and what this means is this is where

532
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: you choose which player will who be drafted before the other, Like,

533
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: for example, you could choose Scoop versus Brandon Miller as

534
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: a matchup and they have odds listed for each guy.

535
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: So Luke, right now, based on the matchups that are

536
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: out there, what is a matchup prop that you're looking

537
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 2: at that we should bet today?

538
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Speaker 4: So this would be like actually like one of the

539
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: few value bets I think that exists right now that

540
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: I would actually recommend.

541
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Speaker 1: And it really has to do with Cam Whitmore.

542
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Speaker 4: He's not involved in the bet, but Cam Whitmore is

543
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 4: somewhat of like the Witherspoon from the NFL draft who

544
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 4: was the corner of that at number four and his

545
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: stock just continued to rise, and Whitmore is very similar

546
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 4: where the thing is over Under was seven and a

547
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: half at one point. He just has continued to come

548
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 4: down where the Pistons at five have been like the

549
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: consensus for him, and he's not going to get past five.

550
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Speaker 4: But as like the last week or so from opinions

551
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: that I respect, he has been making moves on the

552
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Speaker 4: number four spot. The two twins aim In and User,

553
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: their shooting ability has somewhat have caused the ripple where

554
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: they like might fall in the number four spot. Aim

555
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Speaker 4: In being such a consensus, like I just thought, was

556
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 4: it just could he could never have been such a

557
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: consensus relative what the mocks have been showing, and Whitmore

558
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: has been taking that spot as of recently. And if

559
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Speaker 4: he goes four, like Walker and I'm gonna draw, how

560
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: do you pronounce Walker's first time?

561
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Speaker 1: Jeers?

562
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 2: Jeeris Walker?

563
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeris Walker.

564
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Speaker 4: If Whitmore goes four, Jeris Walker at five has real legs,

565
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Speaker 4: Which brings me to the matchup, which would be Jarris

566
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: to go before Ouscer, where Ouscer could fall out of

567
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: the top ten and Jerious to go before Ouscer, which

568
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: I think it's plus one fifty right now. It was

569
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: like plus one eighty at one point last week, but

570
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: plus one fifty, like that's just like a great value

571
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: bet where even if Whitmore goes five, I can still

572
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: see that happening because their scenarios were Oscer falls out

573
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: of the top ten, especially if Aimin falls, it feels

574
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: like Amin's gonna push Uscer back and back. Because I

575
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Speaker 4: think it was O'Connor's podcast, I want to say last

576
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: week where he was doing the scenario of like Whitmore

577
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 4: going four, if Whitmore goes four, he was struggling to

578
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 4: pinpoint a spot for the twins to go, and he

579
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: actually ended up putting Aim in at like number eight

580
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: and then Oscer out of the top ten, which I

581
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 4: don't don't I don't know how realistic that is, but

582
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Speaker 4: with Walker being plus one fifty, it just that feels

583
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Speaker 4: like somewhat of a value bet that has just gotten

584
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: steamed up based off of Oscer and Aim and being

585
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: such a consensus in the top six or seven. That

586
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 4: just isn't realistic to me. I think it'll gradually come

587
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: down as the week goes on to perfect.

588
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so you like Jars Walker over a Seer Thompson

589
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: that is one of the twins, not Amen Thompson, Asseer Thompson. Now, Brian,

590
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: we talked about this off air about Walker stock and

591
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: where he could potentially be picked in the top five

592
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: right now seeing it at FanDuel for Walker to be

593
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: fifth overall pick at plus four fifty, wondering if that's

594
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: kind of where your head is leaning right.

595
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: Now, that's something I would take a shot at because

596
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: he if people remember, and I think this is relevant

597
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: to this conversation, earlier in the year, he was projected

598
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: to be a top five pick coming coming into the season,

599
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: and he sort of just teetered around there, Miller got hot,

600
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: School ended up moving back a spot. Now by consensus,

601
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: i'men Thompson obviously made an impression. He plays an overtime elite,

602
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: so those guys typically don't go into the season being

603
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: projected into the top three or four, whatever the case.

604
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: Maybe right now he's fourth, but I think Jaris Walker

605
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: is a real shot at getting into this top five,

606
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: because once you get past when Banyama, Scoot Henderson, Brandon Miller,

607
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: there's not like a clear this guy is the next pick.

608
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: This is similar to last year where all of a

609
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: sudden the number fourth overall pick became Keegey Murray, which

610
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: I feel like was a minor surprise. I don't remember

611
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: what the odds were on that, but I remember talking

612
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 3: to a couple of people that there was a minor surprise,

613
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: like it was clear that the first three were gonna

614
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: be set Paolo Jabbari whatever order, and then it was like, wait,

615
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: Keegan Murray got pick number four, Sacramento. I think Walker

616
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: here at number five, potentially at number four. Oh so

617
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: you can get pretty good odds, a pretty good plus

618
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: ons on him to go either fourth or fifth. Fifth

619
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: right now, A fan Doo I believe is plus four fifty.

620
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: Right now, fifth overall pick.

621
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he would go to Detroit, which it actually

622
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense because one they shouldn't take

623
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: a guard. They have Kid Cunningham and Jada and Ivy.

624
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: Remember you have to consider like roster construction at least

625
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: at some degree his position basketball is because the Pistons

626
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: do have two guards already, so it's like, why would

627
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: you get another one right one of which I can

628
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: get to in a second. But and then you look

629
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: at their center situation. They were pretty popularized last year

630
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: for having a bunch of centers. Don't think they're gonna

631
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: get another one right now. So Jars Walker makes a

632
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: lot of sense there to play the four, especially since

633
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: they have Boyan Bogdanovich who they can trade potentially on

634
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: Draft night or at some point.

635
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like Walker's just gonna like I think seven is

636
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: a ceiling. Like Walkers just gonna go in the top

637
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: seven today, where like Assier could like follow the top ten,

638
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: so in terms of like and he's favored at like

639
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: minus one sixty to go before Walker, So like we

640
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: feel good about Walker going in the top seven, but

641
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: like there's the window of or like they're the scenarios

642
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: that Asia could follow the top ten. Like Walker shouldn't

643
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: be this high plus money, like I still think he

644
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: should probably be, Like Osier should definitely be the favorite,

645
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: but not to this derae even close.

646
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if you think Walker is gonna go into

647
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 3: the top five, he probably won't have as good value

648
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: as he does right now. Right I would say, I

649
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: would say if you think, if you think that's going

650
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: to be the case, then I would I would take

651
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: a stab at that plus four fifty for the fifth

652
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: pick and whatever he is at the fourth pick right now.

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Speaker 2: One player I wanted to talk about for both of you,

654
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: because Luke, you had an over under draft slot pick

655
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: for Grady Dick from the Kansas Jayhawks and Brian we

656
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 2: talked about this off air about where a potential landing

657
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: spot for him could be, and you were looking closer

658
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: to the nine to ten range, maybe even past ten.

659
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what picks were you looking at for Grady Dick.

660
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: So he's been worked out by Utah and Dallas. He

661
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: feels a lot like a guy who would go to Utah.

662
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: And that sounds like a joke, but it's pretty like

663
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: Danny Aings likes this kind of guy right who can

664
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: come in shoot be a contributed right away. He makes

665
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: a lot of sense there just from a basketball perspective,

666
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: but also they worked him out. There's interest there. Dallas

667
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: needs shooting next to Luka Dancic, who they plan on keeping.

668
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: Don't know what's gonna happen with Kyrie Irving, but regardless,

669
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna need shooting, and Grady Dick feels like somebody

670
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: who could be a Dallas Maverick as well. They also

671
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: worked him out. He's plus three hundred to go number

672
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: ten to Dallas. He's plus two fifty to go number

673
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: nine to Utah as of this recording on FanDuel, and

674
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: his over under is ten and a half, which I

675
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: think that under is really interesting because I'd be pretty surprised,

676
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: at least as of now he gets past Jazz Dallas whatever.

677
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: Like he's somebody who we talked about shooting earlier. As

678
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: that pertains to Jordan Hawkins, Grady Dick could be the

679
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 3: best shooter in this draft. He really could be, like

680
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: and this is somebody who also has some size at

681
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: that wing spot, and it just makes a lot of

682
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: sense for him to end up in Utah Dallas.

683
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: Ultimately, Luke, what did you for your over under pick?

684
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: Did you end up taking the over or the under

685
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: for his draft slot?

686
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: I took over nine and a half, but I wouldn't

687
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: play it. I wouldn't play over ten and a half,

688
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: which really is just like at over nine and a half,

689
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: he really just betting on him not going to Utah,

690
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: like that's one out where like that, just like you're

691
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: better off just betting him to go exact nine pick.

692
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: If it was nine and a half, it definitely wouldn't

693
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: bet over ten and a half. I think it's it's

694
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: somewhat of a coin flip between whether Hendricks falls to

695
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: nine or like, and then there are scenarios at which

696
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: I think are less likely for a grade day to

697
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: go ahead of Hendrix. But at ten and a half, yeah,

698
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: I would be an under. At nine and a half,

699
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: it was it's an overrat It was definitely a numbers play,

700
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: and that was like two weeks ago. And he just

701
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: feels like it just feels like there's a consensus top

702
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: eight or nine players in this draft and then it

703
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: becomes chaos, which to me, Grady Dick isn't one of

704
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 4: those nine, he's probably the tenth in terms of like

705
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: a consensus, and at nine and a half, it should

706
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: always have been ten and a half, I guess you

707
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: could say to me.

708
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: But well, as you say that, looking at out there

709
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: right now, his draft slot has since moved to ten

710
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: and a half for an over under draft prop, I

711
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: wanted to recap some of these picks. So, Luke, you

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: have Jaris Walker over Ossier Thompson matchup, You've got that

713
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: at plus one fifty. Brian, you're looking at Jeris Walker

714
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: for the fifth pick at plus four fifty, and both

715
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: the Jazz and the MAVs to consider Grady Dick number

716
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: nine pick at plus two to fifty plus and sorry

717
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: at number ten at plus three hundred. So those are

718
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: all well and good, But you have a long shot

719
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: pick that you're looking at as well, Brian, And this

720
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: one kind of glo my hair back a little bit.

721
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: When you were deciding on this and we were discussing this,

722
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: can you tell us what kind of long shot better

723
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: you pick? Looking at right now for the NBA draft?

724
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: This is a real long shot. But look, Anthony Black

725
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: is probably going to be a good NBA player. I

726
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: think there's a consensus there. He's getting Josh Giddy comparisons.

727
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: Some people think he's going to be even better than that.

728
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: And we were talking about how there's not really a

729
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: clear consensus on who's the fourth best player in this

730
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: draft and there's the potential for a surprise there. And

731
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Anthony Black. He worked out with the

732
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: Houston Rockets. They could use him next to Jalen Green,

733
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: somebody who could actually like really play point guard there.

734
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: And from a basketball perspective, it makes sense. He has size,

735
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: could be a two way player. Some people think he

736
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: could also bring it on the defensive end at the

737
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: next level. Anthony Black to be the fourth pick is

738
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: probably plus four thousand I think right now it's one

739
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: of those where it's like I wouldn't be surprised because

740
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: all year long to talk was Anthony Black, It's gonna

741
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: be one of the best players in the draft, one

742
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: of the best players in the draft. Now he's projected

743
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: to be in that sort of seven to nine ish,

744
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: maybe six range, six to nine range or whatever, And

745
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: I think there's real potential that he can sort of

746
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: start hearing his name creep up this last week or

747
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: so because of what he can show as a two

748
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: way player because of what he could show as a

749
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: tall point guard. And I think Houston Anthony Black just

750
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. I don't know if that's

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: the direction they're going to go, but in terms of

752
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: a long shot bet like, this is what the draft

753
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: is for, and we were talking this up like some

754
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: of these things could actually happen. I like Anthony Black

755
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: a lot. There are NBA teams who like Anthony Black

756
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: a lot. For him to be the fourth pick also

757
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: makes more sense than the fifth pick because the points

758
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: we were talking about earlier about the Pistons might be

759
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: set at guard already if they were to get Anthony

760
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: Black that it's like, well, what's up with Kate Cunningham really?

761
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: Or they're just going to do something totally different, which

762
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: would be fun. But Houston Anthony Black, like, I'm probably

763
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 3: sprinkling on that plus four thousand for him to be

764
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Speaker 3: the fourth pick.

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Speaker 2: Luke, what do you think about him going forth overall

766
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: to the Rockets? And again, I probably wouldn't recommend anybody

767
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: betting like a full unit on that kind of price,

768
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: But no, we've seen crazier things happen in the draft.

769
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: You got to think that an endorsement on a sprinkle

770
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: is okay.

771
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean arguing with a forty to one bet

772
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: with that type of reasoning is just criminal.

773
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to get involved with this.

774
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: After that, where like the fourth pick is, I mean,

775
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 4: we were talking about Murray going number four last year

776
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: and no one saw that coming. And the fourth pick

777
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: is definitely when everything starts, there really isn't a huge

778
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: argument for any of the guys. I don't like, aim

779
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: In Whitmore Black like a Black as his stock not

780
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 4: much far off from those other two, and I'm assuming

781
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: before this season Black was ahead of those two guys

782
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: in terms of the consensus.

783
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: That the number four pick is right now. So yeah,

784
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I definitely and with.

785
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: That absolutely so, guys. One of the things about the

786
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: NBA Draft that I love is where we're at right now.

787
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: There's just there's a few markets, there's some that we

788
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: can exploit, some that are just completely steamed out at

789
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: this point. But over the next ten days there's gonna

790
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: be a lot more markets coming out. You know, to

791
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: be a first round pick, international players taken in the

792
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: first round exact order. What I wanted to know from

793
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: your guys' experience embtting the draft. Is there a market

794
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: that has yet to be released that you were waiting

795
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: to pounce on that maybe our listeners can also piggyback

796
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: on as well.

797
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for like I'm always waiting for to be

798
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: drafted in the first round, Like those are one of

799
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: those are my favorites. There's a couple overrunners that like

800
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: they have.

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: I think they have.

802
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: Thirteen over runners out right now, which honestly they had,

803
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 4: They've had these out for a while, like well, like

804
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: they released NBA overrunners before NFL draft overrunners, which was

805
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: like just teasing us.

806
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: But there's so much less attention on.

807
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: The NBA draft they have to get them out earlier

808
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 4: in terms of like getting liquidity on these where there's

809
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: a couple of players like top ten also would be great. Yeah,

810
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: and it's yeah, like first round would be fantastic and

811
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: as many over runders as possible would be also fantastic.

812
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Yeah, like the top ten pick I

813
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: think of last year, one of the most popular ones

814
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: was Jeremy Soshiant to go to the Spurs, and he

815
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: was around plus one ten, plus one twenty and you

816
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: could see these guys start to creep in and even

817
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: though they may have plus odds, there's definitely value to

818
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: that from a first round pick standpoint, Yeah, go ahead,

819
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: loop Yeah.

820
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 4: And there's just like there's less options that they can

821
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: offer too, because like an NFL you have like conferences,

822
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: you have positions like first running back to be drafted

823
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 4: or team two pick position, where like in a positionless

824
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: NBA that like divisions are pretty much relevant. Like there's

825
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: just less things that they can put out, so but

826
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: like kind of make sure that like but at the

827
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: same time gives me confidence that things like to be

828
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 4: drafted in the first round will be released because they

829
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: have to add markets, which those that's one of the

830
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: few that they can still add.

831
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: And Brian yourself, is there anyone maybe going in the

832
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: first round or like you're just waiting to see kind

833
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: of what these odds will be so you could jump

834
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: on it.

835
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, to be drafted in the first round. I agree,

836
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: Like that's some I'm looking at as it pertains to

837
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: some guys with high school pedigree who were projected very

838
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: high who have since fallen and are expected to be

839
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: in the second round. But then somebody takes a chance

840
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: on the talent in the late twenties or something along

841
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: those lines, like in Amani Bates for example, was not

842
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: expected to go until maybe the fifties. But this is

843
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: somebody who in high school was getting Kevin Durant two

844
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: point zero comparisons best player in his high school year

845
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: of alongside Chet Holmgren. And you know, he's gone through

846
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 3: some stuff. It didn't really work out of Memphis, transferred

847
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: to Eastern Michigan. He's kind of inefficient as a scorer,

848
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: negative wing span, all these different things. But you see

849
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: the raw talent there, and that's something that an NBA

850
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: team could take a chance on it because he's not

851
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: projected to go until so much later. He's somebody that

852
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: I think there'll be a good number on to take

853
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: this sort of sprinkle at that maybe he gets there

854
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: a little A one that's more realistic to go in

855
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: the first round maybe is Amari Bailey, who is again

856
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: projected to be a second rounder, but also had a

857
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: massive high school pedigree and has since dropped off a

858
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: little bit because UCLA. He didn't necessarily kill it the

859
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: way people thought. But he's another one. And then you

860
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: look at a guy maybe like a Julian Strawther, for example,

861
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 3: who's who was first round pick for a while, early

862
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: second round, maybe mid second round whatever. He's sort of

863
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 3: teetering there, but he's one of the best shooters in

864
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: this draft. To take it back to shooting, he's a

865
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: big wing who six' seven could rebound for his position

866
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: At gonzaga had you, know one of the biggest shots

867
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 3: in the tournament if we remember, ALSO i think somebody

868
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: could look at the sort of shooting, profile the player.

869
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: Profile maybe there's a three and d ceiling, there depending

870
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: on what he can be, defensively and somebody could talk

871
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: themselves Into Julian strawther at the, twenties so looking at,

872
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: that and then international players to go to the first

873
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: to go in the first. Round, obviously you Know Victor weinbanyama's.

874
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: One we Like Block cool Of bali to be another.

875
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: One and then from there it's Like Ryan. Rupert there

876
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: was talk about. Him he's played in The New zealand

877
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: in The Australian. League He's. French he may go in

878
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: the first. Round James, nasei who announced that he's going

879
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: to stay in the. Draft Asian volsonarowski reported he was

880
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: working out WITH i Believe Serge ibako over In spain

881
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: he may go in the first. Round so that international

882
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: number is going to be somewhere most, likely most likely

883
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: between three and five.

884
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Three and a.

885
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: Half camby came out with, IT i want to say last.

886
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: Night yeah it's three and a.

887
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: Half, yeah it's probably not going to be. Five it's

888
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: probably it's going to be three or four most. Likely

889
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: so three and a half is the perfect number for.

890
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: That and this is good information because even a GUY

891
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: i think of last year who had the high school

892
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: pedigree didn't really have a great time in college At

893
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: milwaukee Was Patrick baldwin who's ended up drafted by The

894
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 2: Golden State. WARRIORS i, believe looking remembering the first round

895
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: draft pick, market he was around plus two hundred to

896
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: be taken in the first. Round ended up sneaking in

897
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: at the twenty fifth. Pick so there are guys who

898
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: are going to sneak into the first round that we're

899
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: not thinking about that teams are more high on than

900
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: the betting. Market all, right we're gonna get out here

901
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: on this. One we need to talk about the twin

902
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: elephant in the. Room that would be The thompson. Twins,

903
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: no not the group from the late eighties who had

904
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: the number one. Hit hold, me now we're talking About

905
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 2: ossier And Amen thompson has The thompson, Twins, like has

906
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: the market made any consensus On ossier Or amen like

907
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: at this? Point like basically both are being described as

908
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: quick twitch. Athletes one's maybe a bit more of a,

909
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: playmaker the other one shooting is a little bit. Better

910
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: at this, Point, luke based on the mock drafts and

911
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: the consensus of what we've, seen what are we looking at?

912
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: Here is It amen Or assier that we need to

913
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: be looking at taken first overall or not first, overall

914
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: but first before the.

915
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 4: OTHER i, mean they're they're genetically the same, person but

916
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: we still have like a consensus that like Like, Amen,

917
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: amen whatever it is is like ahead Of, asier where

918
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: like the consensus has Been amen ahead Of asier because

919
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: he's like the ninety ninth percentile of like athletes ever.

920
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: Drafted but neither of them can, shoot, essentially which is

921
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: crazy that both of their biggest flaws is shooting and

922
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: they're still considered like a consensus top, five top ten.

923
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 4: Pick BUT i am seeing likes have been actually on

924
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 4: his mock draft this morning Put asier ahead Of, amen

925
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: which was one of those like very notable, things and

926
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: they even have a matchup up on.

927
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Whatever like all of the books Where.

928
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: Aimen is like minus two sixty to go ahead of us,

929
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: here Which i'm Sure wasserman's mock is probably gonna move

930
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 4: those numbers a little bit. More but, YEAH i think

931
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: it's a general consensus That aimin is ahead of us,

932
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: yere but like really like they both can, fall but

933
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: they both can go really early in THE G league in,

934
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: GENERAL i do feel like hasn't been producing up to

935
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 4: expectations drafted in the last couple of. Years SO i

936
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: don't think like guys like that going to go in

937
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: the top. TEN i don't think like that's enough of

938
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: a red flag for them to. Fall but like someone

939
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: like what's the guy's, name there's another, one but it's

940
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 4: something worth notable where maybe Because juligu's like BASICALLY aau

941
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 4: at this, point and how someone going in the top

942
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 4: ten point THE U league should just absolutely, dominate and

943
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: they had glimpses of it at the same, Time like

944
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: there are a lot of scenarios where they both can

945
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: fall to the eight, plus but also can both go

946
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: in the top, five So jerry's. Out no one really, Knows,

947
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: LIKE i think you're better off figuring out what's going

948
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 4: to happen with the other guys and then just slot

949
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 4: those guys in based off of. That but aiman's definitely

950
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: a consensus over us, here at least.

951
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Currently.

952
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah the thing THAT i remember is in twenty eleven

953
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: there was a, consent NOT i don't know how much

954
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: of a consistus it, was but there was a belief

955
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: That Marcus morris was a better twin Than Mark, heath

956
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: and Then Mark heath actually went one pick ahead Of Marcus,

957
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: morris which is kind of a mild surprise win.

958
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: Trends, yeah, yeah they were.

959
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 3: Both they were. Both they were both in the. Lottery

960
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 3: and then before, That Brook lopez And Robin. Lopez brook

961
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: was ten in two thousand and, Eight robin WAS i

962
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: want to say fifteenth or something along those lines in that,

963
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: draft but both were projected to go very. High but

964
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: we had an understanding at least at that, Point Brook

965
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: lopez is the offensive, Twin Robin lopez is defensive. Twin

966
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: because that's kind of what it was At, stanford The morris.

967
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: Twins there was there was like no. Difference for whatever,

968
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: reason we have a consensus That amen is. Better he's

969
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: projected to go. Higher like, again a lot of people

970
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: think he's going to potentially go number four, overall but we'll.

971
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: SEE i. DON'T i don't think there's a dramatic difference

972
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: between the two. Either AND i don't really know what

973
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: to make of the competition they played because they were

974
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: at overtime elite and overtime elite is it's. New they

975
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: haven't produced a ton OF nba. Guys it's only been

976
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: a couple of years of the, experiment and you, know

977
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: the athleticism is off the. Charts but this is a

978
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: problem That Scoot henderson's running, into right like the shooting.

979
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: Questions if If School henderson could, shoot he probably would

980
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: be the second overall pick right. Now but there's questions

981
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: about the. Shooting it's the same thing with The thompson.

982
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: Twins and you, know we'll. See BUT i Think amen

983
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: projects to be a little bit better for whatever. Reason

984
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: but If i'm not going to sit here and SAY

985
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: i fully expect them to be drafted higher just BECAUSE

986
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: i Remember Marcus, morris, like, yeah he's the better twin

987
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: Between mark him And Mark heath and Then Mark heith

988
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: went thirteen And Marcus morris went, fourteen so who.

989
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 4: Knows, yeah and they're both old for the, Draft like

990
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: they're both twenty, one, which like everyone else in the

991
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: top ten is like. Nineteen so they've been in the

992
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: juwiue for a couple of, years which is definitely like

993
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 4: a huge, thing like for THE nba, draft like it's

994
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 4: probably one of the most important. Things and being twenty

995
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: one is definitely like that's like a fifty year quarterback.

996
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Coming out into THE nfl.

997
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: Draft And Blao, coulibali for, example he's still. Eighteen, yeah

998
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 3: he didn't turn. NINETEEN i don't think Till july.

999
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1000
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah and The Morris, wins like you, said they were drafted,

1001
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: thirteenth the fourteenth. Overall they did play together briefly In

1002
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: phoenix before one was shipped. Off BUT i was just

1003
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: thinking if whether or, not like a team Like orlando

1004
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: Or utah could be able to swing up and snag

1005
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: them together or you know that kind of. Thing but

1006
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: at this, point these this is everything that we've. GOT

1007
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: i want to recap the picks just to make sure

1008
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: if anybody missed. Them So luke Loves Jaris walker Over

1009
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: Asier thompson at plus one. Fifty brian is looking At

1010
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: Jeris walker to go fifth overall at plus four. Fifty

1011
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: he's also looking At Grady dick at the number nine

1012
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: pick and the number ten pick that's plus two fifty

1013
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: and plus three, hundred. Respectively and he's also looking at

1014
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: a long shot pick For Anthony black to be taken

1015
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: fourth overall at plus four. Thousand so that'll do it

1016
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,359
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1017
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,400
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1018
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040
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