Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works
Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh
Speaker 1: Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, which means it's
Speaker 1: time for Stuff you should Know. Indeed shocking edition. See
Speaker 1: I take the rap for a bad pun, but you
Speaker 1: in fact, I said that before we recorded. I know
Speaker 1: I before we recorded. I have a public image. I
Speaker 1: have to care. Got um Chuck. Yes, have you ever
Speaker 1: seen or read or both? One flu Over the Cookies Nest?
Speaker 1: Yes both? Oh? Yeah? Did you like the book more
Speaker 1: than the movie or vice versa? Both? The book was great.
Speaker 1: I've seen a movie a dozen times. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: my favs. It is a great movie. Yeah. I haven't
Speaker 1: read the book. Although I was a KINKSI fan. I
Speaker 1: thought he was a cool dude. Yeah, I've read a
Speaker 1: few us. Um, what else did he write? He did
Speaker 1: the Well, Actually he didn't write. That was Tom Wolf
Speaker 1: that wrote the electrically, that was figured prominently obviously. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the main KESI wrote the crap. I'll come
Speaker 1: back to it. He wrote the what was it the Well?
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen or read One Flew Over the
Speaker 1: Cuckoo's nest you totally should is, like Chuck was saying,
Speaker 1: one of the best movies of all time. It is
Speaker 1: a great book apparently, and Um. One of the things
Speaker 1: that factors into it setting in insane asylum in the
Speaker 1: fifties I would say maybe sixties. UM. And one of
Speaker 1: the I guess almost a character in this UM movie
Speaker 1: or book is electro convulsive therapy, which the staff uses
Speaker 1: to basically keep the patients in check. UM. Just the
Speaker 1: very threat of getting electroc convulsive therapy shock treatment, a
Speaker 1: type of shock treatment, we should say, is enough to
Speaker 1: just keep everybody very docile and calm and settled down.
Speaker 1: And they started to get riled up, you can just
Speaker 1: ask him, do you want some shock treatment? They're like no, No,
Speaker 1: everything's good, Everything's fine. And apparently because of that and
Speaker 1: KESI worked as an orderly in a mental institution in Oregon,
Speaker 1: so he saw his first hand when he wrote it. Um,
Speaker 1: because of that, E. C. T. Got a pretty bad
Speaker 1: rap over the course of a couple of decades, the
Speaker 1: point where it's basically forced almost out of existence. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just keezy Um making this stuff up like
Speaker 1: he said he was. He was a disorderly like like
Speaker 1: the fat Boys. Um. But there was also a study
Speaker 1: in n by the National Institutes of Health that found
Speaker 1: like that was pretty common practice among antal institutions at
Speaker 1: the time because it was drug free. It was just
Speaker 1: using electrical shock and it wasn't a lobotomy, right, and
Speaker 1: um it was the effects were temporary and apparently it
Speaker 1: worked to keep everybody in line. But that's a gross
Speaker 1: abuse of this pretty effect of therapy for mental illness, yeah,
Speaker 1: for severe depression. And these days it is approved by
Speaker 1: the National Institute of Mental Health, the a p A,
Speaker 1: the a m A, and the U. S. Surgeon General
Speaker 1: and they all say that if used properly e c
Speaker 1: T these days and you know, tweaked diversion of what
Speaker 1: they did back then, is can be very beneficial. And
Speaker 1: Kitty Dukakus, wife of Michael Ducacus, former presidential nominee until
Speaker 1: he wrote in a tank, uh, wrote a book because
Speaker 1: she had it and it's called Shock, The Healing Powers
Speaker 1: of electro Convulsive Therapy, and um it helped her out.
Speaker 1: And I've read excerpts and reviews and stuff, and she
Speaker 1: doesn't like champion it for everyone or anything, but gives
Speaker 1: a lot of great history and then says how it
Speaker 1: has helped her in her journey through depression. Apparently also
Speaker 1: helped Dick cab It. Oh yeah, yeah, it did not
Speaker 1: help so much, Um, Sylvia platha in a standing way, right, Um,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been it's been used on a decent
Speaker 1: amount of people. Apparently about a hundred thousand Americans a
Speaker 1: year undergo electro convulsive therapy. Who who got George? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah, we've already spoiled that show.
Speaker 1: So we should just like do dramatic readings from scripts. Uh. Um,
Speaker 1: So we we should also say before we go forward,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to call it electro shock therapy. That's
Speaker 1: kind of right. Electro Convulsive therapy is a type of
Speaker 1: shock therapy and shock therapies. The aim is to shock
Speaker 1: your system into having a convulsion because as far back
Speaker 1: as Hippocrates, it was noticed that people who have mental
Speaker 1: illnesses who experienced convulsions tended to feel a little better
Speaker 1: after the after they experienced their seizures. So what you're
Speaker 1: trying to do with any kind of shock treatment is
Speaker 1: induced a seizure and a convulsion. Because no one knows
Speaker 1: why still to this day, but it does something to
Speaker 1: your brain and can hear whether temporarily or permanently, UM,
Speaker 1: mental illness. Yeah, I wonder how this I never I
Speaker 1: didn't think about until just now. I wonder how it
Speaker 1: ties in with like a temper tantrum, like a kid
Speaker 1: feeling better afterward or more settled afterward, or an adult
Speaker 1: that just loses it, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I think everyone's truly lost it before in some emotional way,
Speaker 1: and then afterwards you're like, boy, I feel like more
Speaker 1: relaxed now a right, like resetting after like a catharsis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you. It's sort of similar pathways in the brain, right,
Speaker 1: except this is with electricity exactly. So, UM, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the history of shock therapies and electro convulsive therapy
Speaker 1: or e c T. That's easier to say. So. One
Speaker 1: thing that they did in the twentieth century, Um, they
Speaker 1: started to experiment with insulin shock, where they would just
Speaker 1: dose the crud out of somebody with insulin and basically
Speaker 1: like bring them into a coma and in the comma
Speaker 1: they would have convulsions. Is that right? Yeah? Right, that
Speaker 1: was the point. Like they figured out this guy named
Speaker 1: Ladislaus von Maduna, who was a Hungarian physician. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: figured out that if you take insulin and injected in
Speaker 1: somebody puts him in a coma temporary coma, UM, that
Speaker 1: you can bring him out of with glucose, and then
Speaker 1: while they're in the coma, they have seizures. And he
Speaker 1: was one of the ones were probably the first modern
Speaker 1: physician to suggest that there was a link between seizures
Speaker 1: or um. Yeah, seizures and the curing of mental illness.
Speaker 1: He took it one step too far and saying that
Speaker 1: schizophrenia and epilepsy were counter productive maladies, so if you
Speaker 1: had one, you couldn't have the other. He was wrong
Speaker 1: about that, but he was right about seizures having a
Speaker 1: curative effect on mental illness though. But he was the
Speaker 1: one who started championing and champion championing using insulin to
Speaker 1: produce seizures, so he led the way, followed by Italian
Speaker 1: scientists the nineteen thirties who only brought electricity into it. Well,
Speaker 1: hold on, there was another guy too before. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: right around the same time they are all these competing
Speaker 1: shock therapies, UM, and there was the insulin guy, and
Speaker 1: then there was another dude UM named Manfred's sakel And
Speaker 1: he was testing something called metrozol, which is the respiratory stimulant.
Speaker 1: And when you give somebody this stuff, they have seizures.
Speaker 1: And it's very reliable and it's very powerful, more powerful
Speaker 1: than insulin, and it requires less recuperation time in hospitalization time.
Speaker 1: The problem is it's so powerful. The like of patients
Speaker 1: who had shock therapy using metrosol suffered spinal fractures from
Speaker 1: because the convulsions were so hardcore, like the Exorcist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then some now we're electricity. Yeah they discovered electricity.
Speaker 1: No way, that's not true. I think it was like, um,
Speaker 1: these Italians, they were scientists, and they said, we can
Speaker 1: use this to jolt this guy like with these delusions.
Speaker 1: He's he's clearly suffering, like shock him with electricity, and
Speaker 1: the delusions receded after like several treatments, and then just
Speaker 1: a few years later, in the nineteen forties, it was
Speaker 1: being used as a regular treatment in the US for schizophrenia, depression, bipolarism. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's not like it is today. You said they've
Speaker 1: tweaked it. They've definitely improved it. They figured it out,
Speaker 1: Like we were a little barbaric before no anesthesia back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you were wide awake and conscious when they applied
Speaker 1: in electro shock in your brain like in Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 1: Violent physical reactions with the body that don't happen these
Speaker 1: days were very powerful. Yeah, because a there's anesthesia. And
Speaker 1: they also these days put um muscle relaxers and stuff
Speaker 1: everywhere except the big the big Foot, the big foot
Speaker 1: eight single foot, well when it has a blood pressure cuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it is the big Foot, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they introduced it intravenously and then they put a
Speaker 1: blood pressure cuff on your around your ankle, so your
Speaker 1: body isn't like convulsing anymore, but dick and tell it's
Speaker 1: going on by e G s and stuff. And then
Speaker 1: the foot single foots movement, Yeah, because you're keeping the
Speaker 1: muscle relaxer and I guess the anesthesia out of the foot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so someone's actually a doctor looking just at your foot supposedly.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that anywhere else. I saw that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that. Um like they even with the muscle relaxant,
Speaker 1: your fists are going to clench it on clanch in.
Speaker 1: Your chest might heave and they'll still put a tongue
Speaker 1: thing in your mouth to keep you from buying your
Speaker 1: tongue off, right, But the the cumulative effect of it
Speaker 1: is not going to be felt at all by you
Speaker 1: because you're out under general anesthesia and you're probably feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good anyway. That's true thanks to Mr Muscle Relaxer.
Speaker 1: And then the you know what, the way you've always
Speaker 1: seen it on TV, even when they portray modern like
Speaker 1: on six ft Under, they show people are always render
Speaker 1: this like zombies, like lobotomized essentially, and that's that's not
Speaker 1: what's going on these days. No, well, even back then,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a caricature of what a person
Speaker 1: looked like coming out of it because there is memory
Speaker 1: loss associated with it, yeah, and there still is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was then, there still is now. So I think
Speaker 1: that's almost like that's what that's what some artists rendering
Speaker 1: or some directors rendering of what somebody with memory loss
Speaker 1: looks like. And so that's what just kind of got
Speaker 1: picked up in the popular culture following e. C. T.
Speaker 1: As you're just like catatonic, lobotomized zombie like, But really
Speaker 1: it's that's shorthand for it. There's weird memory loss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these days are going to check you out a
Speaker 1: lot more beforehand, I think, especially in the media portrayed
Speaker 1: as you know, some like a McMurtry and one flew
Speaker 1: over the cuckoo's nest. He's causing problems. Still just drag
Speaker 1: him in there, strap him down and shock him. Uh.
Speaker 1: These days you're gonna five disorder least to hold them exactly. Uh,
Speaker 1: You're gonna go through a battery of pre treatments, um
Speaker 1: like blood test, electro cardiograms. They're gonna give you a physical,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a mental, and they're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure you're a good fit all the way around for
Speaker 1: this kind of treatment. It's you know, it's not as
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was willing naily back then,
Speaker 1: but that's how it appeared to be at least, and
Speaker 1: there was there's actually a decision by the f d A.
Speaker 1: It's an electro convulsive therapy machine is a Class three
Speaker 1: I believe device, just the strictest and classification. And so
Speaker 1: it was up for reclassification for a little while, and
Speaker 1: um they said, you know what, We're gonna stick with
Speaker 1: this classification because it's used for electro shocks, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people said, whoa old stuff. Yeah, you guys,
Speaker 1: this is this is you're still looking at it under
Speaker 1: this the medieval use from the forties and fifties. Things
Speaker 1: have changed by that. But I have to say, I
Speaker 1: mean it's I kind of am comforted by the fact
Speaker 1: that you still have to go to a doctor. It's
Speaker 1: not like the same thing as going for like laser
Speaker 1: hair removal, like you can also get E C T
Speaker 1: in the same fits. Like it's very much medicalized, and
Speaker 1: I think it should be because we still don't understand
Speaker 1: what the mechanisms are. Yeah, that's true. Um, they will
Speaker 1: pulse your brain. You know, you've got these little things
Speaker 1: about size of a quarter, these pads on the side
Speaker 1: of your head, either on both sides or one side,
Speaker 1: and they pulse you with for one millisecond, even though
Speaker 1: I think recently even shorter like millisecond point to five
Speaker 1: to point three seven milliseconds. Yeah, that's what they're starting
Speaker 1: to use. And I guess that that's like is it
Speaker 1: for more humane purposes or yeah. I think they're finding
Speaker 1: that it works at least as well. But there's also
Speaker 1: fewer side effects, like apparently a one millisecond pulse of
Speaker 1: electricity is enough to like really interrupt memory, right, consolidation,
Speaker 1: I guess, whereas like a quarter of a millisecond, it's
Speaker 1: not so bad, all right, And these days you're gonna
Speaker 1: get it. Two to three times a week for three
Speaker 1: to four weeks is a typical treatment. Yeah, that's of course,
Speaker 1: five or ten minutes at a time. Yeah, from the
Speaker 1: time that they inject you with the the anesthesia till
Speaker 1: the time you start to wake up is about ten minutes,
Speaker 1: which I mean, like that doesn't sound like much. But
Speaker 1: if you're doing that two to three times a week
Speaker 1: for several weeks, all that that's a period of your
Speaker 1: life that you have a lot of trouble remembering much of.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a picnic still, because you're you
Speaker 1: are still coming out of it. You're still groggy coming
Speaker 1: out of anesthesia. You can still be confused. What's ironic
Speaker 1: is now that they use anesthesia, you probably look more
Speaker 1: like the portrayal of people coming out out of ect
Speaker 1: in the fifties than they did because they were anesthecized.
Speaker 1: Yeah they weren't. No, Yeah, that's what I mean. Today,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I didn't think about it like that. UM.
Speaker 1: I found one step funny, I found one stat that
Speaker 1: said it is effective in of people these days with
Speaker 1: severe depression, whereas any depressants are only UM effective about
Speaker 1: sixty at the time. Yeah, and that's what's pretty much
Speaker 1: what they're using it for. Is just like major depression
Speaker 1: is pretty much the thing that they found, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's really effective for this, Like when drugs don't work, well,
Speaker 1: that's usually when they're turning to it. UM is after
Speaker 1: an adepressant, after antidepressant hasn't worked. But this is like
Speaker 1: a pretty significant rebound, a hundred thousand people a year
Speaker 1: getting this and coming under wide medical and public acceptance UM.
Speaker 1: Because just as as recently in the eighties, there's a
Speaker 1: stat in this article that says between eighty five and
Speaker 1: two thousand two, the use of ECT in England dropped
Speaker 1: by half, and that was because there was a rose vanidepressants.
Speaker 1: It's like, you can take these pills, or we can
Speaker 1: put electrodes on your brain and zap you. What do
Speaker 1: you want to do? But then as people were as physicians,
Speaker 1: I guess we're finding that there were plenty of people
Speaker 1: out there who don't respond well to UM antidepressants. Shock
Speaker 1: therapy is a great alternative. And if you're if you
Speaker 1: suffer from major depression and you are suicidal or at
Speaker 1: risk for suicide, they may hop right to e c
Speaker 1: T because the results are so much faster. Huh that
Speaker 1: makes sense, I know. Well. One of the interesting things
Speaker 1: they pointed out too, was that, um, once you've had
Speaker 1: e c T, if drugs were not previously effective on you,
Speaker 1: then the anti depressants can extend the good, uh, the
Speaker 1: good effects of the e c T longer, which was
Speaker 1: interesting because like, I guess they can work in concert
Speaker 1: if you go e c T first, which makes it
Speaker 1: sound like like the e c T goes in there
Speaker 1: and like shake things loose, and then the drugs come
Speaker 1: in and like keep their functioning going, keep the new
Speaker 1: and improve functioning going. And we should say, like, all
Speaker 1: this is theory. We don't no one knows specifically what
Speaker 1: e c T does to the brain. We just know
Speaker 1: it works. Then we should also say, no one's exactly
Speaker 1: certain how anidipressants work, right or what effects they have
Speaker 1: on the brain. But there's a couple of theories, um
Speaker 1: that are kind of brain based. One is that Um.
Speaker 1: The the idea is that the electricity UM changes how
Speaker 1: blood flows or how cells metabolize things, and UM that
Speaker 1: leads to some sort of improved function. Yeah. The other
Speaker 1: one is they think it might release certain chemicals that
Speaker 1: can help out UM, and everything I've read sort of
Speaker 1: likens it to a like a control all delete, reset,
Speaker 1: or like some sort of reset function on your brain.
Speaker 1: I think they're likened it in here to turning the
Speaker 1: stereo down, like there's just so much noise and this
Speaker 1: just sort of resets a troubled brain, right. Yeah. There
Speaker 1: was a study in from Scotland in two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: where they did brain scans of people with major depression
Speaker 1: before ect and after a round of E C T
Speaker 1: and UM, they found that these regions associated with mood
Speaker 1: and emotion, um, we're less active. And so they said
Speaker 1: that they basically altered the functional connectivity of these regions
Speaker 1: between the regions so that the person could think more clearly,
Speaker 1: was less distracted, and they think that that had an
Speaker 1: effect on reducing their depression. Well, and they tested with
Speaker 1: placebo's too, and I think like anytime you test with
Speaker 1: the placebo you're gonna find that some there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of it that works, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but not always. And that's what they found here is
Speaker 1: that some of the people that were told that they
Speaker 1: received e c T put under. Didn't you think this
Speaker 1: is kind of mean? Yeah, they would put them under
Speaker 1: and say they did it and not do it. Um.
Speaker 1: That the people with e c T did recover UM faster,
Speaker 1: but there were some that received the fake treatment that
Speaker 1: did recover as well. So they think that might have
Speaker 1: just been because they received that extra TLC from a
Speaker 1: proper clinician and the free drugs. That's true. So UM,
Speaker 1: we should say there are risks to it, Like there's
Speaker 1: at least two types of memory laws associated with e
Speaker 1: c T. UM. One is you have trouble making memories
Speaker 1: around the appointment, UM, which is to be expected that
Speaker 1: it usually fades. UM. Then there's larger memory loss that
Speaker 1: of past events long before your ect therapy. UM. But
Speaker 1: that also fades not in all people though, So there
Speaker 1: is like memory laws associated with it. With zapping the
Speaker 1: brain with electricity, who who would have thought? Um? And
Speaker 1: then uh, you can also die um. One in ten
Speaker 1: thousand patients undergoing it dies. But they they say that
Speaker 1: that's one in ten thousand. So every year ten people
Speaker 1: die from city in America. But they say that that's
Speaker 1: typically a reaction to or a result of anesthesia, Like
Speaker 1: just going on, Yeah, it's dangerous in and of itself.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get headaches obviously, in some muscle pain. But um,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's anything quite like the
Speaker 1: old days as far as muscle pain and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And you will still find people that poop who would
Speaker 1: have worse. But this article points out a lot of
Speaker 1: those people are the same people that are pretty anti
Speaker 1: psychiatry in general and stuff like this. So that seems
Speaker 1: like a bit of a leap to me. What from
Speaker 1: the author to say that, Yeah, at least she wasn't
Speaker 1: just like scientologists hate it. Um, you got anything else,
Speaker 1: I got nothing else. Le've got to try this out.
Speaker 1: I would certainly try it out if I needed it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we too. You know, there's something appealing to me about
Speaker 1: using electricity over drugs. Yeah, you drugs are some great
Speaker 1: thing to pump your body for love. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: I don't know, I wonder if it's going to become
Speaker 1: more and more widespread, you know, Yeah, and if it
Speaker 1: comes back Gangbusters. Man, that's really going to be impressive
Speaker 1: because it was almost gone. Yeah. You know, imagine if
Speaker 1: the Little Botomy came back. Yea, I know it's still around,
Speaker 1: but it's not back. But you know ect is back, baby,
Speaker 1: maybe a little blood letting the leaching right. If you
Speaker 1: want to learn more about electro convulsive therapy, type that
Speaker 1: word in the search bar how stuff works dot com
Speaker 1: and see if you can do it on the first try.
Speaker 1: And since I said search bar, um, I guess it's
Speaker 1: time for message breake mm hmm. And now listen to mail. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna call this misheard song lyrics. Um oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one we asked, canal okay, um,
Speaker 1: everyone has misheard sound lyrics. Excuse me while I kissed
Speaker 1: this guy, Jimi Hendrix wrapped up like a douche Hanford, man,
Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying. No, it wrapped up like
Speaker 1: a deuce, like he's talking about craps. Is he cracks
Speaker 1: or some other sort of gambling. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Because Springsteen wrote the song and it was cut loose
Speaker 1: like a deuce, and he's song about a car engine.
Speaker 1: I've heard gambling the Springsteen wrote it and then man
Speaker 1: for man changed it. And it's funny Springsteen has come
Speaker 1: out and said, you know, that song didn't become popular toil.
Speaker 1: It became about feminine hygiene and then it was like
Speaker 1: a big deal. Or there's a bathroom on the right
Speaker 1: CCR instead was a bad moon. Right, I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: that one. There's a bathroom No, No, I know the song,
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, I've never heard anybody thinking he's
Speaker 1: saying as a bathroom on their right. It's fairly common,
Speaker 1: all right, So we got one from Cheryl. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say you're still keeping
Speaker 1: me company on days when I get time to work
Speaker 1: on my art projects. You're still as great as ever.
Speaker 1: I was just listening to Panama Canal and I thought
Speaker 1: i'd popp you a quick note to give you a grin.
Speaker 1: Misinterpreted lyrics where my specialty as a kid far and
Speaker 1: away in My most famous moment was when I was
Speaker 1: five or six listening to Madonna with my Auntie and
Speaker 1: I would sing Papa dom Bridge, I'm in trouble deep.
Speaker 1: She said, thing is this really made sense to me?
Speaker 1: And logically, logically if the bridge is made out of
Speaker 1: papa doms, which or do you know what those are?
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a like a flat bread, like
Speaker 1: a crispy tortilla, sort of, it's like a crispy flatbread.
Speaker 1: Uh So, if a bridge was made out of papa doms,
Speaker 1: it would be bound to be weak, and if someone
Speaker 1: were to walk over it, they would it would break
Speaker 1: and they fall in the river below, and hence to
Speaker 1: be in trouble deep And my dad still teases me
Speaker 1: about that to this day. Does make sensense soon. So yeah, Cheryl,
Speaker 1: Papa don bridge, well done? That's fine. You mean's mom?
Speaker 1: She's Fromoking now and she called Madonna Papa don't preach?
Speaker 1: How calls her that? It's her name? She's like, are
Speaker 1: you listening to Papa don't preach? Again? My friend Fox
Speaker 1: had the best misheard song lyric ever and I was
Speaker 1: racking my brain earlier trying to remember it and I cannot.
Speaker 1: So there's some good every one's out there. I'll try
Speaker 1: and I'll try and remember and posted or something. I'll
Speaker 1: get in touch with Fox. It was a funny one.
Speaker 1: Nice you got any good ones. I'm like racking my
Speaker 1: brain right now, and I know I've got one and
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It looks like she does. Jerry just said,
Speaker 1: if you did not hear instead of voices, scary by
Speaker 1: until Tuesday men, horses scare me. Keep it down. Horses
Speaker 1: scare me. Don't attract any horses because they scare me.
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Technically? Uh? Until Tuesday was the
Speaker 1: first band I ever saw alive. Oh really at my
Speaker 1: first concert, Hall of Notes at the University of Toledo Coliseum,
Speaker 1: they opened up on Yeah Until Tuesday opened up nice. Well.
Speaker 1: I never really thought about that because I always say, oh,
Speaker 1: my first concert was Cheap Trick. Yeah, I don't say
Speaker 1: it was John Waite who opened up for Cheap Track?
Speaker 1: Was it really John White? Yeah? Man, I would have
Speaker 1: loved to seen that one. And those those are real concerts,
Speaker 1: like I went to Kenny Rodgers and stuff when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and people like Couldey Rogers is real? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is about to say the same thing. I meant
Speaker 1: concerts that my family didn't drag me too. Got that
Speaker 1: I paid my own one for where I smelled marijuana
Speaker 1: for the first time, like a real concert. I didn't
Speaker 1: smell any marijuana at the hall and notates concert. Why
Speaker 1: did a cheap drag? I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've never smelled that before in my life.
Speaker 1: Cheap trick. And everyone around me said, that is the
Speaker 1: devil smell. Stay away. Yeah, and you did good going, Chuckers.
Speaker 1: Uh is that it? That is it? Thanks to Cheryl
Speaker 1: for um kicking off a pretty great little chap. You
Speaker 1: should gets mom to call her Papa down Bridge now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see if you can get that done. Hey, listening to
Speaker 1: Papa don Bridge. Yeah, say that's the Papa don preach,
Speaker 1: that's Papa doan Bridge. Uh, what what do you want? Oh?
Speaker 1: If you have any great marriage stories, we want to
Speaker 1: hear them. We haven't asked for that ever. Family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean wedding day fun. I mean marriage.
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