1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: I remember we were walking down the street and we 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: had been told that WABC cousin Brucey. We're told he 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: was going to play it between six and eight, and it. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 3: Came on, you know, and oh, man, you know, I'll 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 3: tell you what. 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: There was nothing like it. There's still nothing like it. 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: First time, second time, ten thousand times. 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: This is the Taking a Walk podcast, where your host 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Buzz Night talks to music insiders about their career and 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: their love of all things music. 12 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 4: On this episode, we have another of a long line 13 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 4: of Hall of Famers, singer songwriter Felix Cavalierre, known for 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: a slew of hits from The Rascals, Grooven, A Beautiful Morning, Lonely, 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 4: Too Long, People Gotta Be Free, and so many more. 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 4: Felix is here to talk music history and his new 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: album Then and Now Next with Buzz Night on Taking 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 4: a Walk. 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 5: Well, Felix, it's so good to see you again. It's 20 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 5: been a long time, my friend. How are you okay? 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: Man, that's great to see you. 22 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, we had a lot of lot of fond 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: memories and some crazy ones. 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 5: Yes, well, we'll get into all of them, but I 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 5: want to talk first a little bit about the new 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 5: project and then we'll come back sure and talk a 27 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 5: little bit more about your touring and future things. So 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 5: tell me about how the new project came to be 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 5: and how you feel about it. 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we come. 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Up with an idea, you know, my manager and my 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: guitar player who helps me with the producing, and it's 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: done a great job. He says, Man, why don't why 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: don't we do five old songs that influenced you re 35 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: record them, write five new songs show that kind of like, 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: you know, influence. So we started. You know, we got 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: the guys together. I got a great band. I mean, 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: that's one of the nice things about living in Nashville. 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: The musicians down here a fantastic here. They've all moved 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: here because there's work. You know, there's plenty of demo work, 41 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: there's plenty of recording work. 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: So we started. 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: We go into a studio, we start cutting tracks, and 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the pandemic. 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: Oh boy, So we got kind of locked up for 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: a while. So we said, okay, what are we. 47 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: Going to do? Waw, modern technology. We got these computers. 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: Now we can do it actually at home. Okay, let's go. 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: So we started doing it at home, and we had 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: a ball. I mean seriously, because first of all, you know, 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: the people that I work with, my band, I mean, 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: the greatest guys in the world, So they're easy to 53 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: work with. Everybody's pleasant, you know. And this is the 54 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: kind of community is down here in Nashville. Everybody has 55 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: some sort of a recording studio in their homes. 56 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: You know. 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: Some have very very magnificent ones, some have just a computer, 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: you know, and some have you know, like you know, 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: middle of the road, which is kind of what I do. 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: I like to do my demos at home. 61 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: So we did it. That's basically the story. 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 5: How difficult was it for someone who loves being on 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 5: the road to not be on the road during the 64 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: the pandemic period. 65 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, if you ask, if you ask the wives, they'll 66 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: tell you how difficult you know where you know, I mean, Ringo. 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: Was just down here, you know, Ringo. Ringo has been 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: on the road. 69 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: Actually longer than I have been on the road. He's 70 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: still doing it, you know. And and and basically I 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 2: have always felt that there's a there's a tremendous kind 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: of like, uh, it's just the receiving of people's accolades 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: and love and and their ears listening. If you don't 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: have that, it really is something missing, you know, and 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: it may have something to do with your ego probably, 76 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: But we love what we do, you know. 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: And you know, most of the. 78 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: People I know, the old, older artists, they'll tell you 79 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: the same thing. 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: I mean, it must have been like cutting off your 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 5: right arm, not being out there, right, I mean. 82 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it's it's really interesting because, like 83 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: you know, I moved I moved down here to Tennessee, 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: to Nashville because of the music business, primarily the writing 85 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: aspect of it. 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: You know, this place is very well versed in songwriting. 87 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: It is, I believe, the songwriting capital right now of 88 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: the world, you know, with the exception of certainly Europe 89 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: where they're making some great, great records. 90 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: But all of us kind of really felt it, you know. 91 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: But if you have to stop your creativity and your touring, 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: there'd be a lot of trouble at a lot of problems. 93 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 5: Well. And then the other part which everybody experienced was 94 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: certainly the absence of human connection during this period, you know, 95 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 5: right now. 96 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: It was difficult. I mean, you know, for for the 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: whole planet. I mean, it's not just America, but for musicians. 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: Our business really suffered a lot, like restaurants did for example. 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: You know, for example, a lot of the places who 100 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: you know, had personnel. The personnel left, you know, the 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: crews left, the drivers left, the road managers left, the 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: sound people left, you know, the clubs, and they had 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: to they had to pay the rent. 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 3: So a lot of them closed. 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: The booking agents, a lot of them lost their agents 106 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 2: because the young people were not on any kind of 107 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: commission or salaries. 108 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: You know, there's no work. It was a tough period, 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: you know. 110 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: And and the government helped out, no question about that, 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: Thank goodness. 112 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: They helped out. And I think, you. 113 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Know, like I said, besides the lack of human uh uh, 114 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, kind of like relationships, you know, you're cooped up, man. 115 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: You know, I had a tough time health wise. 116 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: Uh, not because of the COVID so much as the 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: lack of exercise and the lack of you know, getting 118 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: out and doing something, you know, and that I mean, 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: that's the worst thing you could do is just sit 120 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: down all day and do nothing, and and and for 121 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: a while there, I was really I was really in trouble. 122 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 5: So since the podcast is called taking a walk. And 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 5: even though we're virtual, do you take a walk from 124 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 5: time to time to free your brain and clear the air? 125 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: Well, basically, you. 126 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: Know what I what I did is I I found 127 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: this this gym around here that has had a swimming pool, 128 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: so I swim, you know, and and the. 129 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: Swimming really really really really. 130 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: Helped me with the you know, with my physical and 131 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: uh with my uh you know, like ex size my aerobics. 132 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: You know. 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: I got involved many many years ago when we knew 134 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: each other from the past with a with a guru, 135 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: and I studied yoga and I still do my yoga, 136 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: you know. So between that and the gym, I I 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: really I really was able to make it. 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: You know. 139 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 5: Well, let's talk about the You're talking about the Maharish right, No. 140 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: No, Swami Swami Sacha Donando was was my teacher. Maharishi 141 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: was a guru to the Beatles. 142 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you ran into the Maharish, oh I. 143 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: Did at one time? Yeah? I met him actually on 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: a plane. Yeah. 145 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, So what did your master teacher teacher in the pandemic? 146 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 5: That was a takeaway that was valuable to be healthy. 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately he was not physically present. He had passed. 148 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: But you know what, what they teach you basically is threefold. 149 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: It's a it's a physical you know, they have the exercises, 150 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: which which is what most people think is yoga. I 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: mean that's one aspect. So physical, mental, and spiritual health, 152 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: you know. I mean seriously, we learn about diet, you know, 153 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: the different types of diet, but not just for like 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: losing weight or something like that. 155 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: You you learn the properties of different diets, you know, 156 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: And what what do I mean by that? 157 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you want a temperament that's 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: very active, that's very kind of like fiery, have alcohol 159 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: and meat, very simple spices, look at the look at 160 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: the countries that eat that way. 161 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: And you know, if you want to a kind of lethargic. 162 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: Type of almost like after a big Thanksgiving dinner, Uh, 163 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: look at that. You eat a lot of cheeses stuff 164 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: like that, and you get like, really, oh man, I 165 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: can wait to move my arm, you know. But the 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: spiritual diet is more of like a vegetarian type of 167 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: leafy you know, like let us the beanie. 168 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And so you learn. 169 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the physical part. As far as the 170 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: mental part well being a. 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: Musician for all these years. You know a lot of 172 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: people don't realize. 173 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: No nobody tells us what time to get up in 174 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: the morning or you know what to do. Or you've 175 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: got to be self disciplined to be a musician, and 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: and and and and if you're not, you're going to 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: miss the boat, you know, I mean seriously. So the 178 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: fact that you've got to get up and do exercises 179 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: or you've got to get up and do meditation, not 180 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: only helps you with your mind and your body, but 181 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: it helps you with your spirit. 182 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: And it also helps you with your willpower. And so 183 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: all of these things. 184 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Once you study with someone, they stick, so you're doing 185 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: regardless of they're here or not. 186 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 5: It never left you. 187 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: You know, it really never left me man, because like, 188 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: first of all, I loved him so much. I mean, 189 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: he was a great man. Besides his teachings, he was 190 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: a lot of fun to be around. You know, when 191 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: you meet somebody that's really got like tremendous knowledge or wisdom, 192 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's really nice. So yeah, when you learn, 193 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: you learn, you know, and I learned, you know, I learned, 194 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: and so I continue to do it, you know, It's 195 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: a lot easier when you're in a community, you know, 196 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: and you're with a bunch of people, you know, like 197 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: a minion or something like that, and you can you know, 198 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: have meetings and you know, stuff like that. 199 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: But Nashville really, ah, that doesn't really. 200 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: Do much yoga, you know, they got different things that 201 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: they do here. But so I do it by myself, 202 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: and I've got some friends and of course my family. 203 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 5: So do you remember the first time you knew you'd 204 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 5: be hooked on music your entire life? 205 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, kind of. 206 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like I said, say, I was 207 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: a class I was studying classical music at the. 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: Time, you know, and you know, I was like really. 209 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Young, and basically, you know, my mom wanted me to 210 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: to be a classical pianist if I was going to 211 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: do anything in music, you know, and and and what 212 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: happened is, you know, like you have obviously lessons, very 213 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: strict lessons, you know, and that kind of that kind 214 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: of bothered me because I kind of felt like being creative. 215 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: But every time I would do something that was not 216 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: on the written page, the teacher would smash my hands. 217 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: You know. 218 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: Listen, if if Schubert wanted you to do that. He 219 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: had it written it you understand, play it like it's written. 220 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: So I had this kind of desire to do something, 221 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: you know. Uh, And what that led to was like, uh, 222 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: practice time. Then instead of like doing the lessons, I 223 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: would just go into this creative place, you know. 224 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: And the creative place is. 225 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: Wh everywhere everyone goes when they're writing a song or 226 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: they're writing music. 227 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: And I really got to like it. So hooked is 228 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: the right word, you know. I really got to like it. 229 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: Other Wise I'm going to disappear over here for an hour, 230 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: an hour and a half. 231 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: I'll be right back. You know. 232 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: Do you remember the first time you heard one of 233 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: your songs on the radio? 234 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: Oh? 235 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely. We the band, the Rascal Guys. Uh, 236 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: we had. 237 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: Been well, we were, of course we were well. 238 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: Actually the first time I heard a Rascal song I 239 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: remember with the Rascals. Prior to that, I was at Syracuse, 240 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, a university, and I did a single up there, 241 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: you know, called the Syracuse. 242 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 3: And I remember that vividly. Also, yeah, because it was a. 243 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: Local guy who signed me up and screwed me over, 244 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: and you know, but I did a song called the Syracuse. 245 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: But the band. 246 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: I remember we were walking down the street and we 247 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: had been told that WABC. Cousin Brucy, who's a dear friend, 248 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: you know, I like to hang around with DJs, you know, 249 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: you guys are great, and we were told he was 250 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: going to play it between six and eight, you know, 251 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: on seventy seven ABC. So we had a little you know, 252 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: transistor radio, you know, and we're walking. I think we 253 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: were like a street in New York City, we were 254 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: living there, and it came on, you know, and oh man, 255 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: you know, I'll tell you what. 256 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: There was nothing like it. There's still nothing like it. 257 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: First time, second time, ten thousand times, you know, like 258 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: you know, I'm in a place and all of a sudden, 259 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: somebody plays one of the songs. Most people don't know 260 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: that's me, you know what I'm saying. It's been so long, 261 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: and we were before MTV, you know, so people really 262 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: don't know our faces as much as they know others. 263 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: It's still a thrill, it really is, and it brings 264 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: back all memories. 265 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: Oh god, I remember that and all oh man, I 266 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: remember that, and you know, it brings a little sadness too, 267 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: because you know, we lost our drummer. 268 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: You know, but it's a gas. 269 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 5: How does it make you feel that so many people, 270 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 5: me included, often wake up and you're trying to start 271 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 5: the day with some positivity and then you suddenly think, 272 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: oh my god, what's going through my head? A beautiful 273 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 5: morning by the Rascals? Oh it smokes. How does it 274 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: make you feel that there's a population to this day 275 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: that thinks that way? 276 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: I think it's great, you know. 277 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: I you know, when I wrote the song, we were 278 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: out in Hawaii, you know, which was a stronghold for us. 279 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: You know, really really we were very important in Hawaii, 280 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: and uh, you know at the time, we had a 281 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: number one record. We were just coming off grooving and 282 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: you know, I had a beautiful girlfriend and the sun 283 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: was shining. I said, this is what I got to 284 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: write about today. Oh yeah, And I had a friend 285 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: who went to Notre Dame and he told me that 286 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: on his way to school to college every day, if 287 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: he heard that you didn't go, he kept on driving. 288 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 289 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: That's so amazing, my god. 290 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good feeling. 291 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 292 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 293 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 5: Do you sing around the house. 294 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: Not as a rule. 295 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: No, I mean I kind of like save it from 296 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: my studio and stuff like that. 297 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I don't. 298 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why, but you know, but what happens 299 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: is and you know, my wife really freaks out because 300 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: we have ears to listen, you know, and like when 301 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: I'm in a store or something and I hear, you know, 302 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: sometimes they have these great stations on, you know, I 303 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: plant myself under the speaker. I just just say, oh man, 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: and she just laughs, you know, because you know, the 305 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: music that we grew up on and uh, you know, uh, 306 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: it's just amazing music, you know. 307 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: And so when I hear like, you know, man, that's Wilson. 308 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: Pick it up there? Man, Wow, are you kidding me? 309 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 5: Man? 310 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean wow. You know, in otherwors, 311 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: it's still with you, you know. And I think that 312 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: our generations, h I really have that, you know, we 313 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: really love what we had in those days in our 314 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: in our in our little boxes. You know. 315 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 5: So I got a question from one of the listeners 316 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 5: of the podcast, Diane, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona. She 317 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: wanted me to ask you to uh uh recall the 318 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 5: first time you met the gents from Liverpool known as 319 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: the Beatles. 320 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, Well the story is very simple. I 321 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: mean I was I was a college student at Syracuse 322 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: and I started a band up there, and we got 323 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: a summer job at the Roly Hotel in the Catskills. 324 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: I loved it. I was having so much fun. 325 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: Every weekend there would be a so called star or 326 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: you know, band or group or comedian come in. Well, 327 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: on one weekend, Joey d and the Starlighters came in. Okay, 328 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: little did I know that it was going to change 329 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: my entire planet. 330 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: So they saw me. They left. At the end of 331 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: the summer. I thought I was going back to school. 332 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: Instead, I got a phone call that said Joey's organ 333 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: player had quit, had gotten married, missed his wife, and 334 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: they were in Europe and they needed an organ player. 335 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: Would I be interested? Well, I had to ask my dad, 336 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 3: of course. 337 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, they say, Dad, what do you think? You know, 338 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: what do you think Should I go over there? 339 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: You know? 340 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: Should I go? And he was kind of overwhelmed by 341 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 2: not because of anything, except for the fact that I 342 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: was working in a major hotel, you know, and I 343 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: was really actually making sixty bucks a week, really actually 344 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: making sixty dollars for the whole week, and he said, 345 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: why don't you go try check check it out. Let 346 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: me take a year off see what happens, which I 347 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: will always be thankful for because you know, it's a 348 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: long shot. 349 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: Oh I go over, I fly over. I've been frank 350 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: for Germany. 351 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: And there's this group that's opening up for Joey d 352 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: and we had never heard of him. 353 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: Have them? 354 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: They called the Beatles. Everybody screaming and making noise, and 355 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: I said, wow, what is this. Oh that's the Beatles. 356 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: They're going to be big. They're going to be big. 357 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: So I remember listening, you know, and I've told this 358 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: story so many times, but when they played American songs, 359 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: I said, okay, what's the big deal? 360 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: You know? 361 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 3: I mean, they were right, you know, but when they 362 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: did their. 363 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: Songs, which was kind of unique because nobody really did 364 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: their own songs in those days. 365 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: Bob Dylan did, but the clubs frowned on you doing 366 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: your own songs. You do covers or. 367 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: You don't, you don't work. But when they did their 368 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: own songs, it was really magical, you know. I mean 369 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: I remember, you know, like. 370 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you something, Wow, that's cool, man. 371 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: You know, it's very different their beats, the way they're rhythm. 372 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: And I said to myself, I said, you know, I 373 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: think I could do this. But meeting Beatles was not 374 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: easy because they were just swamped with people. 375 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: I mean you could very you couldn't get very close, 376 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: you know. 377 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: So over the years I did get to know, as 378 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, every one of them to a degree. 379 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: John was the most distant, you know, because see John 380 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: couldn't see it too. Was lego like is all the time. 381 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: Man. You know, you look at you like he don't 382 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 3: like me, you know what I'm saying. 383 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, And he also was a tough guy, you know 384 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 385 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: But George I got to know the best. And that's 386 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: because of his interest. 387 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: In in yoga as well, Ringo I toured with, and Paul. 388 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: You know, I've had so much, so much respect for him. 389 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: His music is our excellence. There's there's only two people, 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: I mean maybe three with Elton, John, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, 391 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: Paul Simon. Those are the guys. Billy Joel so I 392 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: got to know him. But it's very difficult to know 393 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: a Beatles. Beatles are they're from out of space. You know, 394 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: they're not normal people. You know, they're aliens for sure. 395 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 5: Out of space. 396 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: Well they're they're they're aliens. They landed here somehow, I 397 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 3: don't know how. 398 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: Well what about those aliens, the Rolling Stones? What was 399 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 5: your first and with. 400 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we got to know them, you know a 401 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: little bit. You know, we got to know I remember Brian, 402 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: you know. Uh, they would tough. You know, they were tough. 403 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: We were over in England and we got invited to 404 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: a session and they were different, you know, very different. 405 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: But the things that will always impress me about the 406 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: Stones is their intelligence. 407 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: I mean they're very very smart people, and that's. 408 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: Been proven by their longevity and the fact that they're 409 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: in the Fortune five hundred. You know, most of us, seriously, 410 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: without a manager, a good manager, a smart manager, an 411 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: honest manager, I don't care how. 412 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: Good we are, we really don't have a chance. 413 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: The groups that are legendary, they've had good managers, every 414 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: single one of them. You know, the Stones pretty much 415 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: had had the brains to do it themselves. Yeah, they 416 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: had some help, you know, I mean, no question about it. 417 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: They had people that came in and but for the 418 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: most part, these fellas they knew what they were doing. Well, 419 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: let's see, like the Beatles are the nice guys, we're 420 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: going to be the bad guys. Beatles are the guys 421 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: that dress up nice and neat, and we're going to 422 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: dress up like hippies, slob whatever you want to call it. 423 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: How smart is that? That's that's what we call business 424 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: marketing savvy. I have a lot of respect for them, man, 425 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of respect because you know, a 426 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: lot of musicians are really not smart, you know. I 427 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: mean they're great musicians, but they don't see reality. And 428 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: reality is important when you're walking across the street, you know, 429 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: Oh there's a car. 430 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, pay attention, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a 431 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: lot of respect for them. 432 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: You know, Bill, Bill Wyman, it wasn't he He was 433 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: the most friendly, you know. 434 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: And well Brian Man, he was he was just looped, man. 435 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: He was too high. It wasn't healthy, you know. 436 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: And now I've got a dear friend who's taking Charlie's place, 437 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: Charlie the drummer, Steve Joe Jordan. Uh So we've had 438 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: a link. We've got a little link over there with 439 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: those guys. 440 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: Who partied hard or the Stones and the Beatles. 441 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: Wow. 442 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if if you look at the at 443 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: the way it was exposed to the media, you've got 444 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: to say that as the Stones. 445 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: But I don't believe it. 446 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 5: I remember you told me about encountering the great Jimmy Hendrix. 447 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 5: Can you reflect on how special he was? 448 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. I just came across a video. 449 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: I think there's there's a British magazine called Sound on Sound. 450 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: Uh it's it's like, you know, it's it's all about gear. Uh. 451 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: They put out. 452 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: A cameo of the historic meeting when Jimmy went to 453 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: England and all those guys, those Jeff Becks and those 454 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: Jimmy Pages and those Eric Clapton's heard him. And it's 455 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: low it's recorded live. I'm going to send you that, man, 456 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 2: because let me tell you something. Wow, this guy blew 457 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: their minds. I mean literally, and you could see it 458 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: because why did guy started crying? I mean because he 459 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: was so good, He was so amazingly adept that. 460 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: You know, there was nothing you could say. 461 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: You know, I think was Cream was on stage and 462 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: he hasked to sit in, you know, and he sat 463 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: in and it was like, oh my god, what just 464 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: happened up there. Uh was that Thor, the god of 465 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: lightning that just came on the stage. 466 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 3: The god of thunder. And he was a really soft 467 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: and gentle guy. Believe it or not. It's like when 468 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: he put. 469 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: That that instrument in his hand, it was it was 470 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: a different, different being that was out there. 471 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: But he was a real soft spoken guy, a little shy, 472 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 3: you know. 473 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: Of course his life was not the most pleasant life 474 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: growing up. So he uh he he had a tough time. 475 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: But in the music, of course, brought everything out that 476 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: he had. Uh. 477 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 3: But but he he was a very giving guy. Uh. 478 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: You know a lot of a lot of musicians, especially guitarists, 479 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: they won't show you how I play that. They won't 480 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 2: show you this is how I do this, you know, 481 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: I mean something will like Joe Bonamassa, who's a good friend, 482 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: he's a great, great But a lot of guys like 483 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: know this is my thing, man, you know, he'd show 484 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: you because you couldn't do it anyway. 485 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't do it anyway. 486 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 5: And you did mention Bob Dylan. I got to ask 487 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 5: about your encounters with Bob and then how how do 488 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 5: you reflect on where he's at at this phase of 489 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 5: his life as a you know, prolific road warrior as well. 490 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: Well Bob Dylan. 491 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: You know, I mean as far as meeting Bob Dylan, 492 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: that was another like space alien into the planet, because 493 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: you know, he's very, very different, you know. Uh, he 494 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: came to see us when we were working in New 495 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: York City because we did one of his songs, like 496 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: a Rolling Stone. You know, a lot of the people 497 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: that I know here in Nashville have been in his bands, 498 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 2: you know, and you just can't say enough about the 499 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: talent that this man has. 500 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it does. 501 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: His songs are just I mean, well, he won the 502 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 2: Nobel Prize andn't he I mean, I mean what musician 503 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: who wins Nobel Prizes? 504 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 3: You know who scientists? You know, So that speaks for itself. 505 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: He's just amazing. 506 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: And a friend of mine just went to see him 507 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 2: in New York City. He did a stint I think 508 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: it was at the Beacon and he's not playing piano, 509 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: and I hear he's playing it great. And so I 510 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: mean he's not a singer, obviously, but nobody seems to 511 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 2: care that he can't sing man, because he shook and 512 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: write phenomen one of the best that ever lived in 513 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: the music industry, for. 514 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, no doubt. So remember that horrible afternoon I 515 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 5: invited you to come play softball with the nine five 516 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 5: softball team. Do you remember what a terrible throw I 517 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: threw to you? And you ended up in the emergency 518 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 5: room as a result of my back? 519 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 3: Wasn't that? No, Basically I had the wrong shoes on. 520 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 3: In other words, it was if you remember, it was like. 521 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: Raining a little bit and I didn't have cleats, so 522 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: my foot slipped and then when it caught, you know, 523 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: it broke the ankle. But it had nothing to do 524 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: with that. I just I he was supposed to have 525 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: the right shoes on when you play ball, you know, 526 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: and I didn't. I slid on the grass. 527 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 528 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: I always loved sports, you know. But it's a good thing, 529 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: I know, music, You know what I'm saying, because yeah, 530 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: I mean it was it was list fun. We had 531 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: a good time up there Connecticut. You know, I have 532 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: no more. I still have friends up there, but I 533 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: only get up there when I when I work at 534 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: the Ridgefield Playhouse, you know, which is always fun, always fun. 535 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. See, I think the story was I'm a terrible thrower. 536 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 5: And you had to sort of do something awkward and 537 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 5: thereby twist your ankle from my bad throwing arm. 538 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: No, I remember, because I was going forward and my 539 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: right my left foot just slid on the grass and. 540 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: Then it stopped. And when it stopped because of the 541 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 3: dry grass. 542 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 5: I tell people the story. I say, you know, uh, 543 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: Felix is such a great guy who became friendly. 544 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: He ca cant it up. 545 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 5: I ended up taking him to the emergency room in Bridgeport, 546 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 5: where for like three hours, I think we waited for 547 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 5: a doctor. 548 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: Nothing new, right, No, I mean, like I, hey, it happens. Man, 549 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 3: what are you going to do? 550 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: You know I used to play apologize. If I haven't apologized, 551 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 5: I apologise. 552 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: You know, like I said, get me some cleats. 553 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh my god. So talk about your you have 554 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 5: you know, your your daughters obviously, but one daughter in 555 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: particular has a recording career. Correct, well, not. 556 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: Really a career. 557 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: I mean she she has a desire to sing, and 558 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: she she also has a family and kids. So uh she, 559 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: you know, was trying to combine the two to a degree. 560 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, raising. 561 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: Kids is a career. I mean, you know, whether we 562 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: like it or not. Man, there's no time for a career. 563 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: But I did a duet with her on one album. 564 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 2: I'm want to do some more with her. But uh, 565 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: I think basically she's just you know, like really anxious 566 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: to make records, make music and and just maybe not 567 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: get out there so much, you know, just do it. 568 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: That's Aria. What do you Aria Cavaliera? 569 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 5: And uh, what do you make of the state of 570 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 5: the music business now? 571 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: State of confusion? Yeah? 572 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean we could talk for a 573 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 2: long time about the changes in our industry here, you know. 574 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: But you know, when it first became lucrative was I 575 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: believe when Zeppelin was around, you know Zeppelin, when when 576 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: Atlantic became Warner Brothers and now the entire world was 577 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: able to purchase your album. 578 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: You know. 579 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: See, when we were on Atlantic, every country in the world. 580 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: Had a different record company. 581 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: In other words, we were Atlantic in the US, but 582 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: in Britain we were Barclays. 583 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: In France we were so it was impossible. 584 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 2: So when that happened, Now, okay, and now you've got 585 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: this thing, you know basically that used to be called LPs. 586 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: You know, wow, LP makes some serious money, especially internationally, 587 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, and then along come this guy up in 588 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: Northeastern University up there, and he creates this way you 589 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: can stream, and then this humongous company called Apple says, 590 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: well we can do that. We're going to call it iTunes, 591 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: and you're going to pay ninety nine cents. Okay, album 592 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: was what nineteen ninety nine? Ninety nine cents? So let's 593 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: see what am I taking home? Thirty five cents? M 594 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: business changed. Not only did the business changed, then we 595 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: got Spotify, and we got Title and we've got Apple Music, 596 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: we got Google, we got YouTube. M Hello, can anybody 597 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: see me? No? So in other words, what was I 598 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: reading about this humongous hit that had about two million, 599 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: maybe three million streams and they made like twenty thousand dollars. 600 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: So our business really took a beating in terms of 601 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: like what we used to earn, you know, songwriters, publishers 602 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: and artists. 603 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: So now it becomes okay, well we're. 604 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: Going to go on the road, because if we go 605 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: on the road, we get paid, actually get paid. 606 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: What a concept, you know what I'm saying. 607 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: Whereas unless you're you know, Beyonce or Taylor Swift or 608 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: Drake or one of these people, you're not really getting 609 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: big numbers anymore from streaming, you know, and if you are, 610 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: you've cut some sort of a deal that I don't 611 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: know about. 612 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: So it's really changed. 613 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: And then as far as the music is concerned, I 614 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: mean we could talk for hours about that. Now you 615 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: have a situation where there may be four or five 616 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: writers on us all I mean seriously, the people who 617 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: do the programming, because everything pretty much is done on 618 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: a computer. Ultimately, if it started in a recording student 619 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: is going to end up on them on somebody's box somewhere. 620 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 3: They get cut in. 621 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: People who do the drums, which are very important in 622 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: many records, they get cut in. Okay, So now I 623 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: got five people cut into nothing. 624 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: So it's very different. 625 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: And then you've got the machines that you know, as 626 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: I say, you know they came in. They do very 627 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 2: well for us, but they've changed. I mean, you know, 628 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: you don't even know have to play an instrument to 629 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: make a record. Now, I mean you can sample, take 630 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: this thing. 631 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: And put it in. Oh, not a great drum track? 632 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: Did you play it? No to anybody? You don't play it? No, 633 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 3: but there it is. It Throw it right into your 634 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: They call them DAW's doors. In larger pro tools, et cetera. Okay, oh, 635 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: look at this keyboard part. Wow, I like that. Let 636 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: me put that in. I didn't play that either, you know. 637 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: It's amazing. So it's like doing a collage of music. 638 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: When you make you can make a music, you know, 639 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: in your home and you don't have to play an instrument. 640 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: Oh I don't sing too well, Oh don't worry about that. 641 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: I'll tune you up. I got this thing called order 642 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: to no Man, no problem. 643 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 3: See. Wow, interesting now. 644 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 5: We got AI. 645 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: It's a good thing. I had my record because that's 646 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: pretty interesting. 647 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people have opinions about AI. 648 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: You know, I I think it's the big thing right now, 649 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,479 Speaker 2: you know. 650 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 3: Uh I. 651 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: I I like to go back to my teacher, my guru, 652 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: and when someone would ask him a question in the 653 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: old days that they were asking, well what do you 654 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: what do you think about that good and bad? He said, Well, 655 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: take electricity, he said, if you plug an iron in, 656 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 2: it's good. 657 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 3: If you plug your finger in, it's bad, you know. 658 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 2: And that's the way I look at AI. But I mean, 659 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: it's just really interesting what's out there now? And I 660 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: say interesting because you know, it's difficult as a classical training, musician, 661 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: and most of the people you know, you have some sort. 662 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 3: Of training, try to figure out what the hell they're 663 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 3: doing here. 664 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's like, well, I got three words, I 665 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 2: just wrote the whole song. 666 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 3: Up Up, Up Up. Wait a minute, you got a 667 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: second part? Nope? So what I do? 668 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: And I'm a big you know Spotify. I listened to 669 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: Apple Music. I'll be I'll be honest. I love the 670 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: fact that I can pick up this little box and 671 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: listen to anything, anything, all over the world. Because I 672 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 2: lost my music collection in a fire, and I had 673 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 2: a fantastic music collection. 674 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: I've been tuning into. 675 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: International music mostly, and I think, if you know, I'm 676 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: sure a lot of the younger people they listen to 677 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: Ed Sheeran and people like that, they've been listening to 678 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: a lot of international music also because they're doing these 679 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: collaborations with these people from Nigeria. There's a guy by 680 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: the name of burna boy that if you don't know, 681 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: you should know because he's phenomenal. Well Ed Shearon knows him, 682 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 2: and all those people, Drake knows him. 683 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: They all know. 684 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: That there's some phenomenal music overseas, phenomenal and and I 685 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 2: kind of tune into that, you know, and I'm in 686 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: the gym working out. I play that because the rhythms 687 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 2: are so fantastic. Don't really stand the lyrics, but you know, 688 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: you don't really have to. It's just great. So anyway, 689 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: long answer to a short question, music today is really 690 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 2: really really different, really different. 691 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 5: So twenty twenty four, you'll be out on the road 692 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 5: a lot, I'm guessing. 693 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 3: I hope, so, you know, I hope to get back. 694 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I've got the greatest bunch of guys in 695 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: the world in my band, because you know, they are 696 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 2: really patient waiting for, you know, like us to get 697 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 2: back to work. You know, a lot of times you 698 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: lose your band if you're not working, you know. And 699 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 2: I'm really blessed to have these guys because not only 700 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: they're great musicians, they're great human beings, you know. 701 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 5: So last question, Felix, if you could play with someone, 702 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 5: either living or dead, that you have not played with, 703 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 5: either in a studio or in a live setting, who 704 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 5: would that be. 705 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a really good question, you know, because there's 706 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 2: so many you know, I don't know. 707 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 3: I think. 708 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 2: I'd like to try otis ready, you. 709 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, because you know, we got to. 710 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: Know those those guys over in Atlantic Records, you know, 711 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 2: like and Otis was first of all one of the 712 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: coolest guys you ever want to meet. 713 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 3: Man, he had this great sense of humor, and man 714 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 3: was he good. You know. 715 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, when people like he like him take 716 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 2: a song, like, for example, try a little tenderness, you know, 717 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: and they put a stamp on it that everybody thinks 718 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 2: it's theirs. That means they're pretty darn good, you know 719 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because like you know, so many people 720 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 2: have recorded. He did that often, you know, and he 721 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: was taken from us too soon, you know. So I 722 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: got to say he's one of the one of the 723 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 2: guys I'd love to just sit in with if I could. 724 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 5: Oh, that's so special, and you're so special. It's so 725 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 5: great to reconnect with you. Yeah. 726 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 3: Well, was great to see you, my man. 727 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, and congratulations on the new release and the next 728 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 5: tour and just being out there and being Felix. 729 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 3: Man, God, bless you man. 730 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 5: You look good. 731 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: You look well and you're still smiling. I like that. 732 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 5: Bless you. Thank you, my buddy, you too, take care 733 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 5: of me great for all the best. Thanks Felix. 734 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 735 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. 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