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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk a little Cowboy versus Texans. Yesterday we
Speaker 5: talked about the Texans offense versus the Cowboys defense. Today
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Speaker 5: have a few that have lined up that I got
Speaker 5: from from X that that we'll use. I actually wanted
Speaker 5: to warm up today. I'm gonna do something a little
Speaker 5: bit different because it's a Cowboys Texans week.
Speaker 2: I figured just to get us warmed up.
Speaker 7: I got three d game I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 7: Their first game ever. I know, me too, the worst
Speaker 7: game ever, me too, and that we've I've been a
Speaker 7: part of a lot of bad ones here. That was
Speaker 7: the worst game I've ever been a part of absolutely ever.
Speaker 7: So go ahead, carry on right quick. That's my memory
Speaker 7: of the Texans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, their first game as a as as a franchise,
Speaker 5: as a franchise.
Speaker 2: That makes us a really old Brian. We were both there.
Speaker 2: We were there that night.
Speaker 7: It wasn't good.
Speaker 2: It wasn't good. That's look. Here's what I got.
Speaker 7: I got.
Speaker 2: I got three different pairings.
Speaker 5: I got a person from Houston, and I got a
Speaker 5: person from Dallas. And I want you guys to tell
Speaker 5: me which one is better? All right, We're gonna start
Speaker 5: with Earl Campbell versus Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 6: Oh God, oh Emmitt, Emmitt Emmitt.
Speaker 4: The only reason I thought about it is because I'm
Speaker 4: in East Texas guy Earl campbells and East Texas guys.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I put the bias aside Emma Smith all time leading Russia.
Speaker 4: Is there an arguments we made?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm asking you the question.
Speaker 7: I'm thinking about this really hard because I have the
Speaker 7: utmost respect for both players.
Speaker 2: And it's a hard one.
Speaker 7: And I know what Earl Campbell did you know? And
Speaker 7: I know it did and I know it's the all
Speaker 7: time this.
Speaker 2: M it's a hard one.
Speaker 7: It is hard one.
Speaker 2: Give me Earl Campbell, Okay, all right?
Speaker 8: Not for me. I mean I only know most on
Speaker 8: Emmitt Smith. That's mainly who I know about.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you google Earl Campbell.
Speaker 6: We gotta take a field trip to Tyler, Texas one day.
Speaker 9: Rose.
Speaker 2: It's really not fair for me.
Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm a Texas guy, and I grew up with
Speaker 5: him being like probably my biggest sports title outside of
Speaker 5: the guy I'm gonna name next.
Speaker 2: But it's it's hard.
Speaker 8: How's that he's over here with the hook, yeah up here? Okay?
Speaker 5: You watching him play football? He played with some yeah
Speaker 5: people did not want to.
Speaker 4: Tackle to John Tyler High School. My grandmother graduated with
Speaker 4: Earl Campbell.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, all right, so next one, keem Olajuan or
Speaker 5: Dirt novitzkye.
Speaker 6: The dream baby start?
Speaker 2: Oh, Dirk really okay?
Speaker 7: And I and I'll tell you what, man, because you
Speaker 7: can go back with a key. I mean, that's that
Speaker 7: goes back to you know, him being him Houston guy
Speaker 7: the whole way through with school and all that too.
Speaker 7: You of h guy Lewis down there, I get no
Speaker 7: dirt dirt Dirk, all right, you're a Dallas guy, right, yes,
Speaker 7: give me Dirk.
Speaker 8: Don't look at me. You're literally out of my boundaries
Speaker 8: here about this zone.
Speaker 7: Because he's gonna say he's going to say a key.
Speaker 7: He said it. Keep you and I need to get
Speaker 7: together on this. I need you to break the tie.
Speaker 8: This My my is what when did I start working here?
Speaker 8: Twenty thirteen? Run right out of college? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 8: know what you're what's that? But if it's not in
Speaker 8: the last decade, don't I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Well, actually, when I was coming up with these. I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, Amber's not gonna answer any of these
Speaker 5: other than the last one. The last one you'll be
Speaker 5: able to answer. All right, we got the last one.
Speaker 5: Beyonce or Post.
Speaker 6: I knew it was gonna be Beyonce. Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 6: take Beyonce. What are we talking about, Posty Man.
Speaker 8: Post alone?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Beyonce wo yeah, you know what. I respect Beyonce.
Speaker 8: She's beautiful, gorgeous.
Speaker 7: She's not a voice aboy.
Speaker 8: I mean I've only met one of them in person,
Speaker 8: and he was the most humble, down to earth guy.
Speaker 8: He's you just you know when it's very rare that
Speaker 8: you meet somebody that just radiates a certain type of
Speaker 8: energy and he he's just he was. I I loved
Speaker 8: him immediately, so and you you've worked with him Derek before.
Speaker 8: He's just so nice and great guy.
Speaker 5: I fell on the side of Houston for most of these,
Speaker 5: and I love Beyonce, but Post, like, post has been
Speaker 5: so good to us, I could never be like, yeah,
Speaker 5: he's been really good to us and always has been
Speaker 5: there when we all them like, hey, can you come
Speaker 5: do some stuff for us?
Speaker 4: So I would always have to go with this is
Speaker 4: the one moment that I think Colina would want to
Speaker 4: be on a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Beyonce, no doubt, and it would be fair.
Speaker 7: Outstanding. But like you say, post, he he really he
Speaker 7: wears his fandom.
Speaker 2: You can see he wears Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he wears his fandom. And you know it's important
Speaker 7: to him too, you know, he like they tried, they've
Speaker 7: He's been in some settings where he'll wears Cowboys stuff
Speaker 7: and all that and they give him grief about it,
Speaker 7: and he's like, yeah, man, he'll walk off a set
Speaker 7: you give him. You ain't gonna give me grief about
Speaker 7: my team, you know.
Speaker 8: So I and also has a great voice.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 8: I had the chance to go to Dak's event last year,
Speaker 8: his foundation that he held, and then he had posts
Speaker 8: in their perform just a private performance. We weren't allowed
Speaker 8: to take out our phones or anything, so I don't
Speaker 8: have anything but my memory of it. And it was
Speaker 8: just like him with the guitar on stage, just no
Speaker 8: auto tune, know nothing. It was just so raw and beautiful.
Speaker 8: So he's just I love him. Yes, And he doesn't
Speaker 8: smell bad by the way too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is there is a rumor that he smells bad.
Speaker 6: He doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, okay out of nowhere. But I remember
Speaker 2: you saying.
Speaker 8: Something because it was always a question. I've had people
Speaker 8: wondering when you look at him, and then I got
Speaker 8: the chance to hug him. I forgot what game that was.
Speaker 2: Like he was smelling you, like the way he kind
Speaker 2: of was like I didn't know who.
Speaker 8: Was Like just in case anyone was wondering. When I
Speaker 8: got to have him, he did not smell bad.
Speaker 7: How okay, people that you deal with, you guys deal
Speaker 7: with like that. And I have an experience from like
Speaker 7: a famous person that recognizes you. How do you deal
Speaker 7: with that? Did he recognize you? Did he know you?
Speaker 7: Amber Garci when you introduce yourself? He did not.
Speaker 8: I feel like he literally treats because there's sometimes there's
Speaker 8: these actors that, oh who is it?
Speaker 7: It was, well, I know, okay. The Governor of New Jersey,
Speaker 7: Chris Christy, like I was sitting in my cubicle upstairs
Speaker 7: one time watching tape and he walks by, like with
Speaker 7: he's with security, he's going to see Jerry, and he
Speaker 7: stops and he goes Brian brought us. Nice to see you,
Speaker 7: And I was like, Governor, yeah, thanks appreciate you know
Speaker 7: kind of waving that way. But then you know, there's
Speaker 7: been others that have that, Like when you go to
Speaker 7: training camp, like those actors that come around and stuff,
Speaker 7: they go, hey, man, I really like look on the
Speaker 7: side all the time. I love your work, love your
Speaker 7: breakdown and that stuff, and you're kind of like, oh, thanks,
Speaker 7: you know, appreciate there's you don't know, like these they're
Speaker 7: famous people, but then they're kind of watching your work
Speaker 7: to kind of learn about what's going on.
Speaker 2: With the team. They're normal people, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The more time I've been around famous people, the more
Speaker 5: I realized famous people are just regular people.
Speaker 7: Jamie Fox, you know, Jamie Fox was one of those
Speaker 7: You meet him and he's like, ah no man, Dallascowboys
Speaker 7: dot com. And I'm like, yeah, nice to meet you.
Speaker 7: You know that kind of thing. I mean, it's really
Speaker 7: kind of cool that way that people that have that
Speaker 7: status but they know you're what work you do? You know,
Speaker 7: That's that's kind of a cool thing around here.
Speaker 5: Well post he's been on a lot of our works,
Speaker 5: so we've we've had opportunities to work with them, so
Speaker 5: it's been really cool and I will always always be
Speaker 5: a fan of his for just for that, because he's
Speaker 5: such a helper to us.
Speaker 2: All Right, that was good warm up. Let's jump.
Speaker 5: You know one topic I wanted to hit before we
Speaker 5: go to our first break. I was looking at and
Speaker 5: I think this has been a topic that has really
Speaker 5: been talked about quite a bit over the last few weeks.
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys and third quarters. Right now, they're being outscored
Speaker 5: in the third quarters eighty two to twenty two, obviously
Speaker 5: a huge discrepancy. What would you attribute that to? If
Speaker 5: you had to look at one thing that you could say,
Speaker 5: you know, I think this is it. And then I
Speaker 5: obviously if anybody really knew what it was was, it'd
Speaker 5: probably be somebody on that side of the building and
Speaker 5: they would have figured it out by now. But if
Speaker 5: you're just thinking about it, what would be the thing
Speaker 5: that you would most attribute it to?
Speaker 6: Coaching? They had the same issues last year in the
Speaker 6: third quarter.
Speaker 4: It wasn't as big of a discrepancy, but they did
Speaker 4: battle in the third quarter.
Speaker 6: For about the first twelve weeks of the season.
Speaker 4: In November December, they kind of figured it out, but
Speaker 4: there were still some games like the Bills game comes
Speaker 4: to mind. I think the Miami game was also an
Speaker 4: instance where the third quarter got out of hand. But
Speaker 4: this has been a problem for this coaching staff the
Speaker 4: last couple of years. I think whenever you go in
Speaker 4: at halftime and you come out with different adjustments, I
Speaker 4: think they are getting out coached in that sense.
Speaker 7: I think a love it has to do the coaching
Speaker 7: aspect of it. I think, especially this year. And you know,
Speaker 7: your defense got to stop coming out of the halftime.
Speaker 7: Last week, you needed one, they got a three and
Speaker 7: out man. They have just not Dallas has not done
Speaker 7: a very good job in what we call the middle
Speaker 7: eight the last four minutes of the half and the
Speaker 7: first four minutes of the second half. It just has not.
Speaker 7: They were a good middle eighteen a couple of years ago,
Speaker 7: but they it hasn't been that that the way. I
Speaker 7: think a lot of things happened in the third. I
Speaker 7: think your defense, especially this year's gotten really beat down.
Speaker 7: You know, the the you know, the the number of
Speaker 7: plays and stuff, and the the runs and things that
Speaker 7: they've had to deal with. I think they get just
Speaker 7: really physical half. They get beat down, and they and
Speaker 7: they and it's it's been a problem. And then the
Speaker 7: offense is just inability to come out with any type
Speaker 7: of anything to kind of keep a drive going to
Speaker 7: you know, to get you know, get going. It seems like,
Speaker 7: you know, I always ask Christy Scales this question the
Speaker 7: in the in the in the pregame show, I say,
Speaker 7: all right, Scoop, you're gonna take the ball, You're gonna
Speaker 7: play defense to start. And she always used to say
Speaker 7: right off the jump that, hey, I'm gonna play defense
Speaker 7: then and now it's like she has to think because
Speaker 7: she's like, I don't know, you know, because it it's
Speaker 7: been so bad. You don't know if you know, do
Speaker 7: you you want to try and win the middle eight
Speaker 7: or do you want to try and get the ball
Speaker 7: to you know, you're interested to start with the ball.
Speaker 7: But man, they just the inability to get anything going
Speaker 7: offensively has been a huge problem. But I think your defense,
Speaker 7: especially this year, has gotten really really beat down because
Speaker 7: the things they've had to deal with because the offensive
Speaker 7: struggles in the first half of games and it's led
Speaker 7: to some things happening in the third.
Speaker 8: Well. Yeah, I mean we've talked about it a lot
Speaker 8: here with how different the first half is versus the
Speaker 8: second half, and how it affects the defense, how I mean,
Speaker 8: they do everything they possibly can in the first half
Speaker 8: for you to stay in the game, and they get tired.
Speaker 8: I mean, you get it's exhausting. I can only imagine.
Speaker 8: But I attribute all of it mainly to coaching, because again,
Speaker 8: I've never been in a locker room at halftime, like
Speaker 8: an NFL locker room and understand exactly what is said
Speaker 8: and what kind of adjustments they try to implement. But
Speaker 8: you've seen other teams be successful at it, so there's
Speaker 8: something to it where you know it can happen and
Speaker 8: you can come out looking completely different in the halftime
Speaker 8: and the second half versus the first half. But I
Speaker 8: don't have an answer other than whatever McCarthy's doing during
Speaker 8: that period right there is clearly not working. So I
Speaker 8: don't have an answer.
Speaker 10: Really.
Speaker 5: You know, Brian, you brought up something that I wonder
Speaker 5: how much. I don't think it affects this necessarily, but
Speaker 5: I do wonder how much it affects the Cowboys in games.
Speaker 5: Is deferring, and I, for the life of me, cannot
Speaker 5: understand how any team doesn't differ.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I say that is because I'm
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 5: There's only one opportunity you have other than to get
Speaker 5: a turnover. There's only one opportunity you have in a
Speaker 5: game to still a possession, and that is if you
Speaker 5: defer to the second half. If it works out to
Speaker 5: where you can end the half with the ball and
Speaker 5: then you can get it by the beginning of the
Speaker 5: second That is the only way in football to be
Speaker 5: able to steal a possession other than through a turnover.
Speaker 5: And because possessions are so valuable, why would you not
Speaker 5: give yourself the chance to steal a possession. That I
Speaker 5: just I've never been able to understand that. And I've
Speaker 5: heard coaches talk about like, you want to get a
Speaker 5: fast start and all the things they mentioned when they
Speaker 5: talk about it, But I'm just like, none of that
Speaker 5: is more important than possibly stealing a possession.
Speaker 8: Is playing like this, Yeah, you want your defense just
Speaker 8: to start the game and they give your offense in
Speaker 8: the second half.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this a couple of times about how
Speaker 4: this team has not started games well A and B.
Speaker 4: Whenever they get down by two scores, it's basically over.
Speaker 4: And I think it's more so a confidence thing that
Speaker 4: they have. I think there was the game against Atlanta
Speaker 4: where they received after the opening coin toss. I could
Speaker 4: be completely off, but there was one and since the
Speaker 4: bye week where they took the coin toss or they
Speaker 4: took the ball off the coin toss. I think it's
Speaker 4: a situation we're like, okay, we want to go score
Speaker 4: points first, because we're getting points scored on us every
Speaker 4: single time. So I think that's probably their thought process.
Speaker 4: But I'm completely with you, Derek. You have to have
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball that can play well enough.
Speaker 4: It's where you can steal that possion coming out of
Speaker 4: the second half.
Speaker 5: All right, let's let's go ahead and take our first
Speaker 5: real quick. Actually, Nick sent me a text. Nick Eatman
Speaker 5: sent me a text. He said, also to note this
Speaker 5: is it. This is an interesting number of yards in
Speaker 5: the third quarter. Nine to seventy one to four seventy five. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's how how many more yards they're giving up. So
Speaker 5: it's it's really a failure in two ways. It's a
Speaker 5: failure offensively in that you're not being able to move
Speaker 5: the ball, you're not.
Speaker 2: Being able to score points. And defensively yeacause we're not hi,
Speaker 2: we're tired.
Speaker 8: I'm on the defense. By way, we're tired. We're exhausted
Speaker 8: by then it's like, give us a break, you know,
Speaker 8: So I don't blame that. I don't get mad at
Speaker 8: them anymore because it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're gona take our first break. We
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 5: We're going to jump into the Houston defense versus the
Speaker 5: Cowboys offense.
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Speaker 5: We're in the second segment of the Break Life nest
Speaker 5: WBC Mortgage Studios at the start of the segment brought
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Speaker 5: started looking at this Houston defense. First thing that popped
Speaker 5: out to me is that they are fourth in past defense.
Speaker 5: They're third interceptions. They take the ball away, particularly through interceptions.
Speaker 5: What makes their pass defense so good?
Speaker 6: Pass rush, it's certainly part of it. I think it
Speaker 6: starts with the pass.
Speaker 7: Rush in yeah, yeah, go ahead, I mean you got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it starts with the pass rush. I
Speaker 4: think also Demico Ryans is a demon. He throws a
Speaker 4: scheme out there, and that if you want to look
Speaker 4: at a If you're a Cowboys fan and you heard
Speaker 4: early in the season a lot about these players talking
Speaker 4: about yeah, guys aren't doing their jobs or trying to
Speaker 4: play hero ball, and you're a fan of you're trying
Speaker 4: to understand, Okay, what does that not look like? Look
Speaker 4: at the Houston Texans defense, because that's what everybody playing
Speaker 4: together as a unit does look like. Everyone everyone plays
Speaker 4: their job. I think specifically, you see it in the secondary. Specifically,
Speaker 4: they have assignments for every type of route anything pretty
Speaker 4: much other than like the drag routes. They're okay with
Speaker 4: allowing this stuff across the field. The field which could
Speaker 4: work for this offense because I think with this kind
Speaker 4: of West Coast scheme that Mike McCarthy tries to throw
Speaker 4: out at times, it's it's very across the field, you know,
Speaker 4: left and right. Cooper Rush tried to do it too
Speaker 4: much against the Eagles, so they could find some things
Speaker 4: down there, but they bank on the fact that the
Speaker 4: offense is eventually going to take a shot and when
Speaker 4: they do, they're going to take advantage of you. And
Speaker 4: you see it with If they go vertical route, then
Speaker 4: they'll have a safety come over a guy like Jimmy Ward.
Speaker 4: If they have you know, a post over the middle,
Speaker 4: then they'll have a guy like a ciz Al Shayir
Speaker 4: dropping coverage and be able to cut that off. They
Speaker 4: are more than comfortable with allowing their corners to stay
Speaker 4: one on one as well, But it starts with the
Speaker 4: pass rush with will Anderson, and.
Speaker 7: Their secondary is outstanding. I mean, you know, we when
Speaker 7: you when you look at where they where they're at,
Speaker 7: and I mean they there we I mean the pass
Speaker 7: rushes is just as good. But you know, when you
Speaker 7: start to talk about with will Anderson and then also
Speaker 7: with with Hunter, they'll play opposite sides that you know,
Speaker 7: they'll want to play right, will play left, and we'll
Speaker 7: flip it around a little bit. They they love to play.
Speaker 7: They played nickel the whole game. You know, they played
Speaker 7: nickel because they've got legitimate They've got a they've got
Speaker 7: a safety in this Kalan b look and we watched
Speaker 7: him at USC and he is a tall, thin, really
Speaker 7: a corner that's playing safety and he leads their team
Speaker 7: in interceptions and he's got really good vision for what's
Speaker 7: going on and he kind of finds ways to fit
Speaker 7: in coverage and stuff. But Stingley can cover really well,
Speaker 7: Lasser can cover really well, and Petrie can cover really well.
Speaker 7: They've got three guys and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: they got a safety that's kind of a corner playing
Speaker 7: free safety, so they literally have four corners on them
Speaker 7: and Petrie. Petrie plays Nickel, but he's kind of like
Speaker 7: a like he's a he's like a safety as well
Speaker 7: in the fat in fact, how physical he is. So
Speaker 7: to me, they they've got ability that the pass rush
Speaker 7: and then the coverage aspect on the back end. They
Speaker 7: just don't give you a lot of space. I mean,
Speaker 7: you go back and look, and you go back and
Speaker 7: you check, you watch the tape, you look at metro
Speaker 7: like teams are like fifty completion percentage against these guys.
Speaker 7: They just don't give you. Now. They play, they play
Speaker 7: at they play off, but they're really good at driving
Speaker 7: and good at like when you know when they have
Speaker 7: to carry and they can they can find this and
Speaker 7: you talk about the underneath stuff that that's clearly gonna
Speaker 7: be an issue for them, But when it goes to
Speaker 7: down the field, you know, not being out of position,
Speaker 7: this is this is one of the best defenses the
Speaker 7: Cowboys gonna play.
Speaker 4: I think, quick question, do you feel like it's an
Speaker 4: issue that they allow the underneath or you think it's
Speaker 4: something that they're okay.
Speaker 7: With at they're okay with it because I feel like
Speaker 7: that they're gonna tackle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like they're gonna they're.
Speaker 7: Gonna, they're gonna let it go and then they're gonna
Speaker 7: just rally to the ball.
Speaker 5: So you're saying, this is another game of three four
Speaker 5: yard passes, and.
Speaker 7: It's it's gonna well, it's gonna be a problem because
Speaker 7: too because I mentioned Will Anderson and I mentioned Hunter.
Speaker 7: But they get they get like like Tim Settle the
Speaker 7: defensive tackle, they get some pressure inside Mario Edwards, they
Speaker 7: get some pressure inside on you, and you know that's
Speaker 7: that's it. Teams have teams have had you talk about
Speaker 7: running the football. They're kind of like a little bit
Speaker 7: mid pack on that. But but but overall the pass coverage,
Speaker 7: they want to get you in past. They want to
Speaker 7: get you where you're having to throw the football because
Speaker 7: they feel like that they can you know, they could
Speaker 7: bring five, they could rush four. They know on the
Speaker 7: back end that there there's their corners and their safeties
Speaker 7: are gonna hold up and and it makes it it's
Speaker 7: it's it's a great way to call defenses if you've
Speaker 7: got that kind of group that you have that much
Speaker 7: confidence in to to make place.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Tim Settle.
Speaker 5: He's a guy that over the last few weeks has
Speaker 5: been playing really well for them. Uh where does he
Speaker 5: typically line up and and how does that match up
Speaker 5: with Dallas's guys?
Speaker 2: Does he flip around.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're gonna flip around inside there. You know they're
Speaker 7: gonna get What's gonna happen is I have a feeling,
Speaker 7: and Nit correct me if I'm wrong on this. I
Speaker 7: think that they're gonna hunt match up here. I think
Speaker 7: I think they're gonna hunt matchups and I think they're
Speaker 7: gonna hunt matchups with Hunter is what they're gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And and depending on who's playing, is it a guide
Speaker 7: in game? Is it a you know, is a Steel game?
Speaker 7: We know Steel is gonna play, but we'll see how
Speaker 7: the other things work out. But this team, like I say,
Speaker 7: they they're gonna they're gonna play. They're gonna get nickel,
Speaker 7: and they're gonna they're gonna try and choke the run.
Speaker 7: And if they could choke the run, and they're gonna
Speaker 7: make you throw the ball. And that's that's that's where
Speaker 7: they come to play because they feel like they can
Speaker 7: get guys home and they feel like that they can
Speaker 7: cover on the back end.
Speaker 6: You hadn't mentioned either yesterday or Tuesday that these guys
Speaker 6: do a lot of stunts. Yeah, they stunt almost every play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would I would love to see an
Speaker 4: exten stat of how often they stunt, like stunt percentage,
Speaker 4: it would have to be eight.
Speaker 5: It's like everything that they do well, Cowboys struggle at.
Speaker 5: Like it doesn't sound like when if we when if we.
Speaker 7: Had this discussion on a on a you know, when
Speaker 7: we break down the opponent and it's like, okay, Dallas
Speaker 7: could take advantage of this and then there, but their
Speaker 7: opponent can do this, and it's really everything that Dallas
Speaker 7: is poor at, you know. And and this is going
Speaker 7: to be this is going this is just this could
Speaker 7: be very reminisus. The game can remind me. That's what
Speaker 7: I should say. I should stop trying to use big words.
Speaker 7: But the thing that this has got a little bit
Speaker 7: of a Detroit vibe to it for me, this game,
Speaker 7: and I mean it in a way of inside pressure,
Speaker 7: outside pressure and guys on the back end that can
Speaker 7: cover a little bit. You know. That's and when you
Speaker 7: have versatile like with Brian Branch and guys like that,
Speaker 7: you you have versatile players that could play, you know,
Speaker 7: and take away things from you. This is what's going
Speaker 7: to be difficult about moving the ball against these I
Speaker 7: think there's ways that Dallas can attack them on defense
Speaker 7: when Dallas is playing defense. I think there's things I
Speaker 7: think that if if the Texans really want to shut
Speaker 7: you down, they could probably do it.
Speaker 2: They're a scenario if I just need one it can it?
Speaker 2: Can you give me.
Speaker 5: One scenario of this is one crease in their defense.
Speaker 5: This is one thing in their defense that they've been
Speaker 5: a little shaky on that if Dallas can't exploit it,
Speaker 5: this is how they could be successful.
Speaker 4: This offense has to be super patient because they're not
Speaker 4: gonna get any big place. And I think I think
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush is a patient quarterback that that's probably one
Speaker 4: of the traits that has been talked about them on him.
Speaker 2: It's maybe a little bit toatient.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that could play into his strength. But yeah,
Speaker 4: this is going to require a lot of patients, both
Speaker 4: in the run game and in the pass game.
Speaker 7: For the early downs. Nobody the Lions are the only
Speaker 7: team in the league that blitch you more than these
Speaker 7: dudes on third down? Okay, they don't want to go there?
Speaker 7: You don't want to go there? Yeah? You know they
Speaker 7: you know. It's it's kind of funny when you when
Speaker 7: you look at certain teams and you're like, okay, when
Speaker 7: are they going to come after you. Like I said,
Speaker 7: these guys got naturally a good pass rush, but they'll
Speaker 7: bring slots, they'll bring linebackers, they'll bring you, they'll bring
Speaker 7: secondary pressure and stuff like that. Dallas has got to
Speaker 7: somehow win on early downs. You can't. It can't be
Speaker 7: second and nine, you know, and then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden you're scrambling and then you know there's a three
Speaker 7: yard pass and now it's third and six. No, I mean,
Speaker 7: Dallas has got to it. They have got to stay
Speaker 7: out of third downs against these guys. You know, if
Speaker 7: somehow you can, you know, you've got to make these
Speaker 7: things where it's a second and three, play that way,
Speaker 7: play second and two. It's gonna be really hard for
Speaker 7: But these these guys, like say, they get you in
Speaker 7: third down, they feel like they can get off the field.
Speaker 7: And if Dallas is in a bunch of long yardage,
Speaker 7: I guess you could say it for any team, but
Speaker 7: especially this team because of how they can match you up.
Speaker 7: So if Dallas doesn't win on early downs, this ambar
Speaker 7: On defense is going to get just really super tired
Speaker 7: this game.
Speaker 8: Well I know, I blink and we're already on third downs.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so.
Speaker 8: It happens so fast Alfas gets on the field, I
Speaker 8: literally just blink third down on my own.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 8: So I mean hopefully hopefully they stay patient. I think
Speaker 8: that's the key right there. Patient, Yeah, because when you
Speaker 8: start hurting, I mean, they've made so many mistakes. I
Speaker 8: think you just have to assng As you're a little
Speaker 8: smarter and more patient. I think they could create some
Speaker 8: positive plays offensively with Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: There was a moment at the halftime break Bobby Belt
Speaker 4: and I had gotten together, just like a couple of
Speaker 4: things that stood up to us, and one of the
Speaker 4: things that we both saw was the inefficiency on first
Speaker 4: down and half against the Eagles. Specifically, I didn't take
Speaker 4: the numbers in the second half because at that point,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, But in.
Speaker 7: The first half that destroyed your will take exactly happened.
Speaker 6: In the first half.
Speaker 4: They had fourteen plays on first down. Not fourteen first downs.
Speaker 4: They had fourteen plays on first down. They have thirty
Speaker 4: four total yards on those plays. It's two point four
Speaker 4: yards per play and two turnovers. I factored that in
Speaker 4: eleven of those yards came on one place, so it
Speaker 4: was really thirteen plays for twenty three yards and aside
Speaker 4: from that one eleven yard carried by Rico Dawdle, the
Speaker 4: lack of efficiency and getting ahead of the chains is
Speaker 4: affecting this offense drastically. Yep, they have to be able
Speaker 4: to get ahead of the chain.
Speaker 7: These guys will punish you. I do you have it's
Speaker 7: similar numbers like that. It'll be ugly, it'll be bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you mentioned Mario, which it was it. Why
Speaker 2: weren't you hear when his dad was drafted?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: You draft his dad?
Speaker 5: I was on here with I remember Mario his dad
Speaker 5: being on the Cowboys, and I would hear when he
Speaker 5: got drafted as well.
Speaker 2: But I was pretty sure you were part of that
Speaker 2: crew that draft.
Speaker 7: Crazy. I mean, think about it. As matter of fact,
Speaker 7: Mario wasn't senior, wasn't out of the league very long,
Speaker 7: right before his son was playing college football.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, all of a sudd it popped up and
Speaker 2: I was like, Mario's kid, sure enough.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was kind of one of those things that you're
Speaker 7: kind of like going, wait a minute, man, what do
Speaker 7: he happened when he was like eleven years old or
Speaker 7: something like that.
Speaker 2: Mario Mario Senior was a character. He was a he
Speaker 2: was a fun guy. Yeah, all right, let's take our final.
Speaker 6: T Y Hilton's kids going to Purdue next year.
Speaker 2: It's like this thing moves fast. You really you look
Speaker 2: around college football all the time.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing now, oh yeah, that's I saw the other
Speaker 5: day a Ronde Gatston's kid playing college football. Like they're
Speaker 5: just all these kids that are around college football now
Speaker 5: that well, I watched their dads play football.
Speaker 7: And then Harrison. I remember Marvin Harrison for the Colts.
Speaker 7: I remember he I remember scouting him in like Syracuse,
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden, I'm scouting his Sunday
Speaker 7: Ohio State. Yeah, you know, just a lot of.
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Speaker 5: Final segment to live from the SWVC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 5: the Star. Let's talk about this Cowboys offense. How confident
Speaker 5: are you that? Stop laughing, Bright, I'm not I'm confident
Speaker 5: are you?
Speaker 7: I'm just thinking?
Speaker 2: How confident are you that Cooper Rush?
Speaker 5: Cooper Rush can be better than what he showed against Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: He's got to be right, that's got to be rock bottom.
Speaker 4: I would assume it was. It was an awful showing.
Speaker 4: You talk about the shotgun snap dropping, the shotgun snap
Speaker 4: it leading to a Philadelphia score forty five yards total passing.
Speaker 6: It's it will be better.
Speaker 2: Can I qualify that though I can get worse?
Speaker 5: Well, let me qualify that because I think we all
Speaker 5: have a certain impression of him from what happened when
Speaker 5: he had to play those five games, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of different factors involved.
Speaker 5: You had a much better defense, which, by the way,
Speaker 5: the way the defense played the other night closer to
Speaker 5: what you had there, But it was a different offense,
Speaker 5: even it was a different play caller. There were a
Speaker 5: lot of different things that factored in. I guess what
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get to is without some of those things,
Speaker 5: did we maybe overvalue him then? Did we maybe give
Speaker 5: him a lot more credit? Sure, then maybe he was
Speaker 5: due and what we're seeing right now is closer to
Speaker 5: what he is. Or do you think he really what
Speaker 5: you've seen and all the practices you've watched and everything.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's just better and that was just
Speaker 2: a bad day.
Speaker 4: I mean, I look back at the Atlanta game and
Speaker 4: I see a guy who was able to move the
Speaker 4: offense toffdfield, and he did it in a He had
Speaker 4: that team in a position that, if you know, the
Speaker 4: ball bounced their on an on site kick, they would
Speaker 4: have had a chance to win that game. So I
Speaker 4: think it was more so a product of Philadelphia being
Speaker 4: able to prepare for Cooper Rush going into the week,
Speaker 4: having a guy like Kellen Moore in the building to
Speaker 4: do so, and then they just they went all out
Speaker 4: after him and he was not able to do anything.
Speaker 4: You know, I think back to training camp specifically this
Speaker 4: year and being you know, when there was a question
Speaker 4: about if a QB two battle was ongoing. You pay
Speaker 4: a lot more attention to Cooper Rush and Trey Lance
Speaker 4: and whenever they make mistakes, whenever they do things right,
Speaker 4: and compared to last training camp, I feel like Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush maybe took a step down, but very clear still
Speaker 4: to QB two in that sense, but he was making
Speaker 4: a little bit more mistakes this year than we got
Speaker 4: used to seeing him whenever he was starting back in
Speaker 4: those five six games and whenever he was in the
Speaker 4: preseason last year. And then also I think it's really
Speaker 4: important to note that this team went all in with
Speaker 4: Trey Lance in the preseason. Yeah, and they didn't give
Speaker 4: Cooper Rush any time really at all during the preseason.
Speaker 4: It was that first game where he had a couple
Speaker 4: of series and then we didn't see Cooper Rush. You know,
Speaker 4: how much is that just being super rusty and not
Speaker 4: being on a field and over a year. You know,
Speaker 4: we're talking about sixteen months at this point, so I
Speaker 4: wonder how much that is factored in. And you know,
Speaker 4: you asked Cooper. He won't give you any of those excuses.
Speaker 4: He said, I got to play better. But I think
Speaker 4: in the back of his mind even he has to
Speaker 4: think about, Okay, if I had had those three games
Speaker 4: to play in the preseason, how much more would I
Speaker 4: be able to catch up the speed?
Speaker 7: Right now, I think this one's not going to fall
Speaker 7: on the quarterbacks. This one's going to fall on the
Speaker 7: offensive line and the receivers. You know, if they're going
Speaker 7: to have you know, Cooper Rush and Trey Lance are
Speaker 7: who they are. Yeah, but you're going to have to
Speaker 7: find a way to win on the outside, you know.
Speaker 7: There we talked about, there's a lot of they play
Speaker 7: with a lot of cushion here, but you've got to
Speaker 7: be ready for You've got to be ready for the secondary.
Speaker 7: I mean they're good. I mean, you put put Trey
Speaker 7: Lance out there, You're liable to have four interceptions in
Speaker 7: this game, you know, if you really are if if
Speaker 7: that's the case, so it's going to be about how
Speaker 7: well are they can they win on the outside, can
Speaker 7: find a way to win on the outside. If they
Speaker 7: do find a way to win, can they block the front?
Speaker 7: Can they block Will Anderson? Can they block Settle? Can
Speaker 7: they block Hunter? Can they block these guys? Can they
Speaker 7: block these linebackers? That's another thing that they're gonna have
Speaker 7: to deal with. I think the quarterback play will be important.
Speaker 7: But what's going on around, you know, Houston. If they
Speaker 7: completely shut you down at wide receiver, it doesn't matter
Speaker 7: what Cooper Rush or Trey Lance do. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 7: you know. But they they they they're gonna the Tolbert
Speaker 7: and Lamb and these guys are turping. They're gonna they're
Speaker 7: gonna need to win, you know. I mean, they're probably
Speaker 7: not gonna win every play, but they're gonna need to win.
Speaker 7: And if but if they don't, this this, like I said,
Speaker 7: this's got a kind of a Detroit vibe to me
Speaker 7: a little bit. With the pressure and then the guy's
Speaker 7: covering on the back end. That that's that's that's what
Speaker 7: needs to happen.
Speaker 8: I think, Well, yeah, and this is no attack to
Speaker 8: Cooper Rush because I think he's been such a good
Speaker 8: backup quarterback and we've seen it before in the past
Speaker 8: where he's been able to win games for this team.
Speaker 8: But he's a backup quarterback for a reason, Like he's
Speaker 8: not necessarily meant to be the savior and come in
Speaker 8: and just put everything on his shoulder. You know, he
Speaker 8: needs the type of that type of help around. He
Speaker 8: needs the receivers to be getting open, creating separation, hitting
Speaker 8: their marks, and everyone just kind of working seamless. Seem seamlessly, yeah,
Speaker 8: seems Yeah.
Speaker 7: He needs to be accurate though too. If they do
Speaker 7: get open, you know, they can't. This is we always
Speaker 7: talk about this. The margin of error for this team
Speaker 7: is zero. They can't they can't afford when they when
Speaker 7: they have a guy open, they can't afford a mispass.
Speaker 7: They can't afford to drop, they can't afford you know,
Speaker 7: a penalty when they get a big play. You know,
Speaker 7: there's you can say about a lot of teams, but
Speaker 7: especially this team on offense. They are really challenged in
Speaker 7: a lot of areas right now.
Speaker 8: But see, one of the things that was really positive
Speaker 8: when Dak went out that season, Kellen Moore knew how
Speaker 8: to adjust to his quarterback. He started playing into what
Speaker 8: Cooper rush strengths were and adjusting to his game. He
Speaker 8: was a lot more comfortable with those second team guys,
Speaker 8: the backup receivers he had, he's had, he had been
Speaker 8: practicing with them all the time, and the connection was
Speaker 8: better there than it was with a lot of the
Speaker 8: starters at the time. So I think that's where it's lacking.
Speaker 8: And something that I didn't feel like I saw last
Speaker 8: week was Mike McCarthy kind of adjusting to what Cooper
Speaker 8: Rush is and just changing the play calling a little
Speaker 8: bit to work better on his favor. So I think
Speaker 8: it's a combination of everybody. You need to be able
Speaker 8: to do a lot more adjusting to cater to Cooper Rush.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it's impossible, I shouldn't say impossible, but
Speaker 5: highly unlikely to just change your offense in the middle
Speaker 5: of the season due to a quarterback going down. But
Speaker 5: if it were up to me, I think I would
Speaker 5: really lean into using Trey Lance and doing a lot
Speaker 5: of read option, and especially against.
Speaker 2: A defense like this, Well, I know it's it's a
Speaker 2: hard thing to do.
Speaker 7: It's a very hard thing to do and got to
Speaker 7: be able to do it though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I think that
Speaker 5: especially when I hear when I hear this defense that
Speaker 5: they're going to play this weekend and all the challenges
Speaker 5: they present to you, one thing that can always throw
Speaker 5: a defense like that, I don't care how good they are,
Speaker 5: is to see something for the first time. And what
Speaker 5: I mean by that is if you haven't put it
Speaker 5: on film, then they're not expecting it from you, and
Speaker 5: so them having to defend it means they have to
Speaker 5: defend it on the fly. They have to figure it
Speaker 5: out on the fly because they're not preparing for that
Speaker 5: all week. And I think when you're outmatched, as it
Speaker 5: seems like they may be this week, this would be
Speaker 5: a great time for them to roll out something like
Speaker 5: that and just choose a ton of read option with
Speaker 5: this quarterback that has all this ability with leg with
Speaker 5: his legs, and not play into what they really want
Speaker 5: you to do, which is they want you to throw
Speaker 5: the ball.
Speaker 2: They want to get they want those interceptions.
Speaker 16: Right.
Speaker 5: I think that would be how I would look at
Speaker 5: this game, But again, that's a challenging thing to do.
Speaker 7: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to make it seem like it's just simple.
Speaker 5: You can just go and just change your whole offense
Speaker 5: in a week. But I do think if it were me,
Speaker 5: I would be like, at this point in the season
Speaker 5: where you are, he'd be worth a shot for me.
Speaker 7: You know I agree?
Speaker 5: All right, real quick, before we end the show, I
Speaker 5: did have one more question for you guys. What are
Speaker 5: some ideas some ways that maybe the Cowboys can look
Speaker 5: at getting Ced more involved When you have the challenges
Speaker 5: you have right now at wide, at quarterback, he is
Speaker 5: your best offensive player.
Speaker 2: How can you get him more involved in the.
Speaker 4: Game quick, short routes, I think, especially against this defense,
Speaker 4: you know, there's opportunities for the drags like we said,
Speaker 4: and the crossers. I think, you know, short quick routes
Speaker 4: will get him in the mix and allow him to
Speaker 4: use his run for catchability. There were multiple times in
Speaker 4: that Eagles game. I think I mentioned earlier in the
Speaker 4: week he had a hell of a game against the Eagles,
Speaker 4: but Kooper rushes couldn't find him find There was multiple
Speaker 4: times where he got opened downfield. And there was one
Speaker 4: place specifically I think was the uh the fumble from
Speaker 4: ferguson correct Cooper rush mist a wide open CD Lamb
Speaker 4: on that play that probably would have gone for six
Speaker 4: and you kind of just see CD walk to the
Speaker 4: sideline after the fumble and just like you know, like
Speaker 4: it's it's one of those. So you got to keep
Speaker 4: CD engaged a and I think you do that with short,
Speaker 4: quick routes. I think he's approaching an NFL record of
Speaker 4: four or more receptions to start a career, or four
Speaker 4: more consecutive games with four and more receptions. I think
Speaker 4: he only needs one more to match Michael Thomas for
Speaker 4: the NFL records. Something to keep an eye on there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think if they're gonna give you cushion, you're
Speaker 7: you're right about the quick stuff, you know, but some
Speaker 7: routes need to be down the field though, too. You know,
Speaker 7: you need to find a way to And I would say, okay,
Speaker 7: if they're gonna play a ton of man coverage, get
Speaker 7: in a bunch of bunch of formations and scatter and
Speaker 7: pick and do stuff like that. But if they're gonna
Speaker 7: give you cushion, you know, take advantage of that. Get
Speaker 7: the ball out quick, let it let it you know,
Speaker 7: let it fly. Hey, gain is six on first down
Speaker 7: is not a bad play. Gain is seven on first
Speaker 7: down not a bad play. But they're gonna need to
Speaker 7: they're gonna need several of those. Just can't get behind
Speaker 7: the change. But I can say if they were playing
Speaker 7: a ton of man coverage, that would be my adjustment.
Speaker 7: Would get in a bunch of formations, scatter that stuff,
Speaker 7: run picks for him, make these texts, and defensive backs
Speaker 7: have to run through trash. But you know, we'll see
Speaker 7: how it plays. I just feel like it's going to
Speaker 7: be Lamb will probably be able to get open and
Speaker 7: do what he needs to do. I worry about the others'
Speaker 7: that's what? And and can Cooper Rush know when he
Speaker 7: needs to go to Lamb and not the others in
Speaker 7: this football game?
Speaker 8: I think, Yeah, it's more being on the same page.
Speaker 8: And hopefully an extra week of this in preparation will
Speaker 8: help towards that. And again, also, it's gonna be nighttime.
Speaker 8: It's a night game.
Speaker 7: There's no sun.
Speaker 2: What about the moon?
Speaker 8: The moon is not gonna blind you.
Speaker 6: Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 4: He has recorded at least four receptions and forty two
Speaker 4: consecutive games, the second longest such streaking NFL history. Only
Speaker 4: Michael Thomas with forty three games, has a longer streak,
Speaker 4: so he can match that streak this week.
Speaker 7: Four catches for twenty eight yards.
Speaker 6: That's kind of how it was last week.
Speaker 2: Six catches for twenty eight years.
Speaker 9: All iright.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys doing us.
Speaker 5: We'll be back on tomorrow and we'll give you a breakdown,
Speaker 5: the final breakdown of Cowboys versus Texans that will happen
Speaker 5: Monday night till then.
Speaker 8: For your care, I.
Speaker 5: Will not be here, but these guys will hold it down.
Speaker 5: I'm sure Am will have a great game for you
Speaker 5: guys and yet anytime. But I'll be back with you
Speaker 5: guys on Tuesday. We won't have any shows on Monday
Speaker 5: because it's game day, but we'll be back on Tuesday.
Speaker 5: We'll tell you what all went right and wrong on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Till then.
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