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Speaker 1: Music Saved Me.

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Speaker 2: Musicians on Call is a charity that is perfectly aligned

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Speaker 2: with the mission of this podcast, delivering the healing power

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Speaker 2: of music since nineteen ninety nine. Why not become a

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Speaker 3: Keeping my cup full is the only way I can

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Speaker 3: pour on other people's And if you're empty all the time,

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Speaker 3: you're just you're hurting everybody around you and you're not

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Speaker 3: your best solf. You're not showing that properly. So, like

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Speaker 3: I said, music and writing this is Yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: a way that I'm impacting on a waverer scale than

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Speaker 3: what I could have done on my own.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is called Music Saved Me and on each

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Speaker 2: episode we'll look at a musician, will delve into their

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Speaker 2: story their deep connection to music. We'll talk with their

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Speaker 2: fans everyday, people with their own story to tell about

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Speaker 2: how music has saved them in challenging times. I'm Lynn Hoffman,

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Speaker 2: and welcome to another episode of the Music Saved Me podcast,

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Speaker 2: where we focus on the healing power of music. Today,

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Speaker 2: we're focused on the work of a new artist who

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Speaker 2: is lauded as the artist to Watch. Honniley believes in

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Speaker 2: the beauty of music, storytelling, and the ability of her

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Speaker 2: music to really make a difference. She has a new

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Speaker 2: single releasing in November called Walls, which she also co

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Speaker 2: wrote with Nathan Chapman and a mutual friend of ours,

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Speaker 2: John Oates from the legendary band Holo notes, Honille, welcome

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Speaker 2: to Music Saved Me. It's so great to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited me too.

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Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to start off with a hard question.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that music has supernatural healing powers?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: One percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I will go more into it, but I was, you know,

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Speaker 3: a middle school guidance counselor actually, and I was doing

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Speaker 3: therapy in that sense, and then I decided to kind

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Speaker 3: I will almost argue that, yeah, the therapy, the supernatural

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Speaker 3: qualities with that of just change.

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Speaker 1: It's it's amazing, really cool.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what music has shaped you and maybe perhaps

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Speaker 2: helped you through some challenging times in your life.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I would say Adell is a huge, huge piece

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Speaker 3: of that Fleetwood map, huge piece of that and I

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Speaker 3: bigger than yourself. So a lot of music has really

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Speaker 3: shaped me, but ultimately it's the stuff it's a little

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Speaker 2: Now talk to us about your new song Walls. It's

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Speaker 2: about your walls, talking your childhood room, walls they heard.

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Speaker 2: Tell us why that song conveys an important message about

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely well, I would say that your childhood bedroom

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Speaker 1: And so that is really the importance too. With mental

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Speaker 3: I think whenever you are struggling, you shut everybody out

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Speaker 2: What inspired you to write the song Walls?

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Speaker 2: But there you go, Wow, well at least you found

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Speaker 2: actually useful and helpful to people. Speaking of which, your

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Speaker 2: from your prior self when you were a social worker

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Speaker 3: Yes see, and you said it very perfectly. I'll be

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Speaker 1: Know, they would tell me something that you know they

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Speaker 2: Your music talks about finding one's path and embracing one's imperfections,

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Speaker 2: and you're so dedicated to helping others. How does it

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Speaker 3: So I have had artists that do that for me,

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Speaker 3: Know, solid I guess, consistency with thinking about mental health

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Speaker 3: People's hands are in the air, there's tears, people were

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Speaker 3: And so I'm over here like, if this means music

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Speaker 1: Very alone in a lot of my life.

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Speaker 3: But I do think you have to feel the highs

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Speaker 2: Then you're doing it every day, and boy, what a

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Speaker 1: When what's better than that? Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: No, it means a lot, and it's definitely a struggle

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Speaker 1: And I think it's.

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Speaker 1: You know. Writing good music.

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Speaker 3: Requires feeling a lot of things, you know, and I've

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Speaker 3: taken that and that's something that this year I've really learned.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it is the blessing and able to sing

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Speaker 1: But if I can feel a little bit more to

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Speaker 3: Feel a little less alone, like I will do it

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Speaker 2: Well you are such a gift on only and it

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Speaker 2: was wonderful meeting you any thing you're talking with you today,

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Speaker 2: for coming on music save to me and we'll see

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