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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is Countdown with Keith Olberman. The painful imbecility of

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones and his nitwit lawyer may have inadvertently blown

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Speaker 1: the January sixth investigation wide open. The phrase the Jones

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Speaker 1: phone may soon become shorthand for the greatest presidential scandal

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Speaker 1: in American history. It is as dramatic and moronic a

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Speaker 1: blunder as Richard Nixon recording himself for posterity and then

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Speaker 1: forgetting that the recording would include him doing Watergate obstruction

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Speaker 1: Decca turning down the Beatles and Hendrick's like Austrian Archduke

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Speaker 1: trying to assassinate the Archduke, thereby touching off World War One.

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Speaker 1: It is beyond belief. You've probably already heard of what

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Speaker 1: even Jones himself called the Perry Mason moment at his

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Speaker 1: Sandy Hook civil trial yesterday. That's the key here. But

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Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook part bad as it is may prove

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Speaker 1: to be just a footnote. Now, the lawyer for the

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Speaker 1: parents suing Mr. Bottomless Delusion for a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollars for defamation, had Jones on the stand, reminded

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Speaker 1: text messages to anybody about Sandy Hook on his phone,

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Speaker 1: And then the lawyer revealed that Jones's Knitwit lawyer not

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Speaker 1: only accidentally sent a digital copy of everything on Jones's

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Speaker 1: phone to the Sandy Hook lawyer, but the Jones's lawyer

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Speaker 1: then failed to take the necessary steps to correct his

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Speaker 1: of the phone privileged unusable. Jones, of course, is screwed.

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Speaker 1: There are Sandy Hook texts on the phone. He testified

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Speaker 1: perjury charges. But late yesterday Rolling Stone reported then at

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Speaker 1: virtually the same moment this revelation appeared on the Lime

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Speaker 1: Scream from the courtroom in Austin, Texas, alarms and fog

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Speaker 1: fireworks symbolically exploded over all of Washington. Wait what, there's

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Speaker 1: a copy of all the text messages from the last

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Speaker 1: three years on Alex Jones's phone, and legally it's fair game.

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones. That's Alex Jones. His name, Alex Jones, Alex Jones,

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones, who was in Washington riling up the thugs

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Speaker 1: January six, Alex Jones, who mainlines back to Roger Stone.

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones, who has been prostituting himself for Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: since at least all his texts since nineteen are now

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Speaker 1: available to lawyers without a prescription. The message from the

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Speaker 1: January six committee to the Sandy Hook victims attorney Mark

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Speaker 1: Bankston Rolling Stone Reports boils down to this, Uh. The texts, um,

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Speaker 1: can you give them to us? Now? We have heard

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Speaker 1: since the middle of Trump's two thousand sixteen campaign that

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Speaker 1: a decisive smoking gun was in sight just around the corner,

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Speaker 1: about wiki leaks about Russia, about Ukraine, and about firing comey,

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Speaker 1: caution is advised. But the possibilities here are actually and

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Speaker 1: let's stay in January six mode and call them wilder.

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Speaker 1: The possibilities are wilder than some kind of smoking gun

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Speaker 1: proving who knows stones complicity or Jones's stupidity. If Jones

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Speaker 1: could perjure himself and deny there were Sandy Hook texts

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Speaker 1: enough to email those texts to the People's suing Jones,

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Speaker 1: and to also not use the window that the legal

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Speaker 1: not be evidence of direct or indirect contact on Jones's

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Speaker 1: phone between Jones and Trump in which they plan the

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Speaker 1: luring of the fascists and the psychos to Washington on

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Speaker 1: January six. All you need is conclusive evidence of the planning,

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Speaker 1: and you have a conspiracy, and you have co conspirators,

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Speaker 1: remember the timeline. On December eight, Trump hosted The Unhinged

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Speaker 1: one two am on the nineteen, Trump tweeted, statistically impossible

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Speaker 1: on January six, be there will be wild. On the

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Speaker 1: afternoon of the nineteen hours later, Alex Jones went on

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Speaker 1: since Paul Revere and his ride in seventeen seventy six. Then,

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Speaker 1: on January three, per the House Committee, Jones was initially

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Speaker 1: the Willard Hotel in Washington, where the so called Trump

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Speaker 1: war rooms were. Jones is already linked to Stuart Rhodes,

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Speaker 1: that oath keeper's guy with the eye patch, the bozo

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Speaker 1: also already linked to Joseph Biggs, not only a leader

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Speaker 1: when Trump's team needed at least six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: the magnetometers turned off so his little Trump people carrying

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Speaker 1: weapons could get through and thus get to the capital

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Speaker 1: with arms. When Trump's coup was short of cash, who

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Speaker 1: got the six hundred and fifty grand from a supermarket

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Speaker 1: heiress Alex Jones? On January six? Two thousand dollars of

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Speaker 1: that money actually went into the account of Alex Jones.

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Speaker 1: You find one text on that phone which says Trump

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Speaker 1: told Jones to do any of that, or Trump knew

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Speaker 1: the violence. You find one text and it's a conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: perp Walk Week. The conspiracy to send armed people to

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Speaker 1: the direct links to Trump to send him to hell

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones's phone. The Jones phone could be full of

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Speaker 1: direct links, and, barring the most bizarre legal interventions, the

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Speaker 1: January six Committee is going to get that phone. Notably,

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Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook lawyer did not name which Jones lawyer

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Speaker 1: made this all time, eternal bonehead mistake, but Jones's lead mouthpiece,

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Speaker 1: the same one who gave the finger to the Sandy

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Speaker 1: Hook lawyer the other day, is named F and Dino

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Speaker 1: to F and Dino Ray Now. May I call you F?

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Speaker 1: What does the F stand for? Endno F up? We

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Speaker 1: be between the statues of Dick Rowe from Decca Records,

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Speaker 1: to look for other work. That's how stupid a mistake

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Speaker 1: this could be. Thank you f and Dino Ray. Now,

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Speaker 1: thank you Alex freaking Jones, and hey you two text

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Speaker 1: the hitchhiker, and worse persons who in God's name would

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Speaker 1: Vin Scully stories. First, in each edition of Countdown, we

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Speaker 1: Keith talks about Keith again. Actually Keith talks about Keith

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Speaker 1: plus sports and worst Persons. But first postscripts to the news,

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Speaker 1: Just when you thought you knew how out of his tree,

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Speaker 1: fake electors planner John Eastman was. The New York Times

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Speaker 1: doodle emailed Rudy Giuliani and others and said they should

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Speaker 1: Dateline Topeka. Turns out the Republicans chasing Roe v. Wade

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Speaker 1: a final a fifty nine to forty one in Kansas

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Speaker 1: without overdoing it. The in house phrase was she plays

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Speaker 1: rent some time at an All Networks live shot assembly

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Speaker 1: MSNBC's moved to New York in October, loomed. Phil Griffin

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Speaker 1: had offered me a perk as long as the viewership

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Speaker 1: totals held. He said, I could skip the weary commute

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Speaker 1: my apartment on Central Park South. I could have an

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Speaker 1: early dinner with my cohabitant, Katie Turr, actually in our home.

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Speaker 1: I could walk over to thirty Rock at seven pm

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Speaker 1: and do Countdown from that aforementioned nook. This was balm

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Speaker 1: for my soul until word came down from the office

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Speaker 1: of the Director of News for NBC that for some

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Speaker 1: arcane reason the nook had to be rebuilt and it

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Speaker 1: would be out of commission for like two months. To

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Speaker 1: his credit, Phil Griffin now ponied up his offer of

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Speaker 1: me one of those studios at Media three and I

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Speaker 1: August third, two thousand seven, and made my way to

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Speaker 1: the makeup room, our now go to Countdown guest Rachel

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Speaker 1: Maddow was already sitting in the chair. Has mentioned previously,

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Speaker 1: we had met before in passing, we had not met

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Speaker 1: since she had become a regular. She rose instantly and unnecessarily.

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Speaker 1: As she did, and we exchanged pleasantries. I noticed she

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Speaker 1: had one sheet of paper in her hand. It had

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Speaker 1: half a sheets were the words written by hand, and

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Speaker 1: then there was a second line of computer printed text

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Speaker 1: and another half sheet of longhand, and the back of

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Speaker 1: the paper had the same format. I can read upside down.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can read a paper or a book

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Speaker 1: when the paper or book is upside down. It's one

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Speaker 1: of my few parlor tricks. It took only a few

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Speaker 1: seconds for me to realize that the computer printed lines

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Speaker 1: of text were the questions I had composed for Rachel's

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Speaker 1: segment that night. Then in her excellent pennersonship, what are

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Speaker 1: the answers to those questions? It looked for all the

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Speaker 1: world like a high school or college short essay exam

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Speaker 1: page four short questions and four half page answers. Mist

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Speaker 1: honishment was completely organic. What's that Rachel was embarrassed? I

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Speaker 1: just sorry. I just she hid the sheet behind her back.

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Speaker 1: prep sheet. I don't read from it on the air

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Speaker 1: or anything, but I like to write everything down, Longhand

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Speaker 1: because it helps me organize my thoughts, and I like

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Speaker 1: to have it in front of me in the studio

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Speaker 1: in case I interrupted her now and said, in case

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Speaker 1: you freeze or you get interrupted or distracted by the

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Speaker 1: idiot host. I pulled from my pocket four folded up

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Speaker 1: pages of my own on which I had printed handwritten

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Speaker 1: notes for each of the scheduled interviews. I said, I

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Speaker 1: find it's writing it by hand that really helps here.

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Speaker 1: It's I think it's some sort of memory trick. Her

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Speaker 1: gasp of astonishment turned into a warm laugh. She and

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Speaker 1: I used the same TV shortcut without knowing it. Now,

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Speaker 1: something else popped into my head. I said, you do

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Speaker 1: realize you are more prepared for your four minutes segment

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Speaker 1: that I am for the entire damn show. Right? She

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Speaker 1: laughed again, and I waved my folded crib notes. You

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Speaker 1: do realize that nobody does this except you and me.

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Speaker 1: It's lack of confidence meets paranoia meets fear that you'll

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Speaker 1: forget your good lines. I squinted at her as the

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Speaker 1: thought came to me, have you ever thought of hosting

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Speaker 1: one of these shows? Rachel suddenly drew her head back

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Speaker 1: as if evading a right cross. What No, I couldn't,

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Speaker 1: I said, we haven't had a good guest host in

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Speaker 1: a long time. The makeup artist moved to attempt to

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Speaker 1: straighten up my hair. You want to give it a try,

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Speaker 1: she seemed to go a little pale. Not I don't

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Speaker 1: think so, really, but I don't How difficult could it

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Speaker 1: be if I stepped in here with no experience and

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Speaker 1: suddenly I had the most popular liberal news show? Pick

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Speaker 1: up two, I'll good on, I'm Tom. How difficult could

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Speaker 1: it be if I stepped in here with no experience

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Speaker 1: and suddenly I had the most popular liberal news show?

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Speaker 1: And then I did it again eight years later? She

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Speaker 1: looked unconvinced. I mean you already do the prep. What

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Speaker 1: worries you? She looked away from me and mumbled prompter.

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Speaker 1: I laughed, Did you say prompter? The prompter? The teleprompter?

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Speaker 1: She looked away again. I don't think I could use it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I said, with mock anger. Have you padded

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Speaker 1: your resume? Didn't you get one of them Rhodes scholarshippy things?

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Speaker 1: And you go over to England to study stuff and

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Speaker 1: you think you can't learn how to use a teleprompter.

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Speaker 1: For God's sake, I learned to use a teleprompter in

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Speaker 1: ten minutes from Stuart Effing Varney at CNN. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: to it but practice. Rachel was not convinced. I said,

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Speaker 1: get made up, Come into the studio, sit with me

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Speaker 1: off camera. I'm just sitting in there reading the show

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Speaker 1: off the teleprompter. Watch you'll see. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: if you knew how to use the teleprompter, if you

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Speaker 1: already knew, would you want to try hosting? Her eyes

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Speaker 1: got a little smaller, and she seemed nervous and very quietly.

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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow said yes. We would travel a million bureaucratic

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Speaker 1: miles and a year together before we actually sat down

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Speaker 1: for prompter school. After one of her guest hits on

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Speaker 1: a Monday edition of Countdown, she and I and to

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Speaker 1: their credit, Countdowns technical director Brian nails Nick and much

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Speaker 1: of the crew stayed for an extra half an hour.

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Speaker 1: We put two cameras and two monitors almost next to

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Speaker 1: each other, so she could read the prompter along with me,

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Speaker 1: or watch the other monitor to see where my eyes

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Speaker 1: were as I read from the prompter. And then after

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Speaker 1: a while we fixed it so I could read along

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Speaker 1: with her or watch the other monitor to see where

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Speaker 1: her eyes were as she read. We read my scripts,

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Speaker 1: we read scripts that she had written. I gave her

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Speaker 1: the Tom Snyder prompter trick. Okay, here's the Tom Snyder

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Speaker 1: prompter trick. Try to see and read entire sentences, not

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Speaker 1: individual words. Focus your eyes not on the pain of

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Speaker 1: plastic where the words are projected, but focus several inches

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Speaker 1: beyond it, where the lens actually is in the camera.

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Speaker 1: I told her tonight, this is your freshman year. Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: will be sophomore Wednesday's Junior Thursday, Senior Friday's graduation, and

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Speaker 1: also the homecoming football game in grad school, and the

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Speaker 1: alumni association will be hitting you up for your money

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. Rachel Maddow came in every night that week

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Speaker 1: to practice overcoming her biggest fear, the teleprompter. I stayed

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Speaker 1: late again on Friday. What do you think? Rachel asked me,

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Speaker 1: who cares? I answered, what do you think? She straightened

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Speaker 1: her practice script by tapping it against the anchored desk

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Speaker 1: like an anchor does, and said, I think this is

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Speaker 1: the greatest invention in the history of mankind. I've done

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Speaker 1: all the damage I can do here. The countdown theme

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Speaker 1: from Beethoven's Ninth Arrange produced and performed by Countdown musical

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Speaker 1: directors Brian Ray and John Philip Chanelle. All orchestration and

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Speaker 1: keyboards by John Philip Chanelle. Guitars based and drums by

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Speaker 1: Brian Ray. Produced by t Ko Brothers Beethsoven. Selections like

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Speaker 1: this one performed by nor Horns allowed our sports music.

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Speaker 1: The Oberman theme Always Cracks Me Up, written by Mitch

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Speaker 1: Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN, Inc. Musical comments by Nancy Faust.

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Speaker 1: The best baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer today was

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Speaker 1: the fabulous Stevie van Zant. Everything else is my fault.

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Speaker 1: If you've listened this far, you'll be least as I

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Speaker 1: was to discover. We have cracked the top overall forty

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Speaker 1: on the Apple podcast chart, number two in politics. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for your reviews, your rates, and your subscriptions. Let's countdown

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Speaker 1: for this day since Donald Trump's attempted coup against the

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Speaker 1: United States. I'm Keith Alderman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight,

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Speaker 1: and good luck. Countdown with Keith Alderman is a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts,