1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've got a perfect relative 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: athletics score. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm in my garage back 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, in front of a live studio audience 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: of one my son across the country, free and fresh 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: from Lucas Oil Stadium. It is Nick Shook, back in 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: his hotel room at the end of a long day 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: watching prospects. I am happy to see you again, Nick. 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, it's funny. I think it's the 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: last three or four years we both go to the combine. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: We fail to see each other at the combine like 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: two ships passing in the night. So it is good, 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: indeed to see you again as well. 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: And look, the NFL Daily fans, the Shook ones out 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: there have been saying where's Nick. Last time we talked 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: to him was on the Super Bowl show, and so 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: only big time shows for Nick. We're going to go 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: through the front seven and the defense worked out on 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Thursday in Indianapolis, the defensive lineman, the edge players, of course, 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: the linebackers. Great day for a lot of them, especially 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: those linebackers. Will also do a little bit of news. 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: We had a trade. It's already starting to happen, some 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: other releases, some other little bits and bobs, and then 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the show, we're going to listen 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: to a couple of interviews I did before I left 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: town with the Panthers brain trust. Definitely a rising team 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: until we talked to GM Dan Morgan and the coach 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Dave Canalis. But just give me a little big picture 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: of your overall day before we start breaking down the 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: different positions. You're in the stadium watching it. How did 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: you think day one went here at the twenty six combine. 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the overall day, it always begins 32 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: with with your player interviews. And I listened to Caleb 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: Downs so we'll be working out tomorrow, talk about how 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: he believes that when he steps in the field, he 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: knows he's the best player. If he told if you 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: claimed that he thought somebody else was, it would be 37 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: a lie, is what he said. And then he continued 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: with the workouts and we had some really really intriguing 39 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: guys in the defensive line that I'm very curious to 40 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: see where they'll all fall in the draft. You didn't 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: have a couple of guys that were big names participating 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: with the edge rushers you had Sunny Styles blow up 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: the combine and the deepest linebacker like class that I 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: believe I've seen in my basically a decade covering this combine. 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: I think this is the deepest group yet. 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: And I love that you mentioned Caleb down to what 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: we'll hear from tomorrow. We'll watch Jeremiah Love, the running 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: back from Notre Dame later in the week. And it 49 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: is really interesting because I think if you go around 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and just ask people in Indianapolis, who's the best player 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: in the draft, kind of take away the position. So 52 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: you know, Mendoza's Fernando Mendoz is going to be the 53 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: number one pick. Who's just the best player in the draft. 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different players who could you could 55 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: make the case for in maybe Sunny Styles. The Ohio 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: State linebacker put himself in that mix with a huge 57 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: combine performance. I think he saw three of them today. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: We just mentioned two more of them, and it's just 59 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: one of those wide open drafts. So let's start there. 60 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: Sunny Styles blew up the combine and and look, his 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: teammate Rvel Reese was not far behind. These are two 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: guys that were already in the top five of a 63 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: lot of people's boards, even if they weren't. In mock drafts. 64 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah had them both in his top five rvel 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Reese number two overall. But Styles was an absolute tank 66 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: just in the measurements. If you're someone that was online 67 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: all day, it was just watching this dude's case build 68 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: and build throughout the day because his just body is 69 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: an absolute tank. And then he performed. I don't think 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: it's exaggerating, like one of the best linebackers slash, just 71 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: pure player performances maybe we've ever seen at the combine. 72 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's funny because you're right, it did start with 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: the measurements. Then it started with the testing that happens 75 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: on the side, and I remember hearing like an audible 76 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: pop when he hit his vertical jumps as they're you know, 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: doing their testing before the linebackers come out and do 78 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: their job, and I'm thinking, oh, somebody just jumped, you know, 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: put a big number up. And then we have the 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: broadcast playing in the suite. Moments later they cut to it. 81 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: It's Sunny Styles, and I'm thinking, all right, this is 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: the athletic player that I've known as an Ohio State fan. 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: Was always there, the guy that was good enough to 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: earn the block O jersey aka Number zero with Ohio 85 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: State this past season, finally kind of showing off his 86 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: athleticism to the rest of the pro football world. And 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: then he goes out and he runs the fastest forty 88 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: if any guy in the linebacker group, which also includes 89 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: rvel Reeves as the only edge rusher in that group, 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: and he's the heaviest of all the linebackers, did it 91 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: at the highest weight, put the fastest forty time down, 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: cementing the triple crown with the broad jump eleven foot 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: two inch broad jump, the crazy vertical jump, the forty time, 94 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: and then he crushes all the drills. 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: He just dominated the combine. 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: It's one of those performances that we're going to look 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: back on years from now and that's going to be 98 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: the new standard that all these other guys are going 99 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: to aspire to try to reach. 100 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: So they still have the agility of drills. I guess 101 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: they separated those by days. So technically the route the 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: testing is in die and the relative athletics score which 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: is put together isn't exactly complete, but right now he 104 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: would be ranked first out of thirty two hundred and 105 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: fifteen linebackers. 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: When the NFL sat again to set it again, see 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: it again, thirty two hundred and fifteen three thou two 108 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen linebackers. 109 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Well, literally the best vertical leap ever, I think from 110 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: the position the fourth best I think in terms of 111 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: the broad jump. I might be mixing up those two, 112 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: but either way, they were right there. Like the comps 113 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: in terms of his heightweight speed were DK Metcalf, Nick 114 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: M and Worry. And to do that as a linebacker 115 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: six foot four, two hundred and forty four pounds, like 116 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: huge arms, wingspan at like bigger than almost anyone else, 117 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: and a guy that the tape backs it up that 118 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: it's just these two different styles. Now, I think among 119 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: maybe people who aren't, you know, among the average Draftnick 120 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: he was ranked a little lower, like he's twelfth on 121 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: the consensus, But for instance, DJ had him fifth, and 122 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: I think the league maybe already viewed him higher. And 123 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: I think this crazy day that he had Jeremiah said 124 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: it on the broadcast, is now going to maybe put 125 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: him at least in that discussion where you're thinking about 126 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: is this guy a top five pick? Is five even 127 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: gonna be like the floor for him if you think 128 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: about the Giants who would need him, and could the 129 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: Jets be thinking, hmm, are we now deciding between Sonny Styles, 130 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Rvel Reeves, David Bailey like among those three guys for 131 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the number two overall pick. 132 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: It's a good problem to have, and I think it 133 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: kind of gives you a good example of what can 134 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: happen to a player's reputation from their junior year to 135 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: their senior year or whatever, their their penultimate year to 136 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: their final year in college if they are lined up 137 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: next to somebody who absolutely blossoms in the following year. 138 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: Because that's what's happened to Sony Styles. 139 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: He's always been this linebacker, like, for example, he was 140 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: always my dad's favorite linebacker at Ohio State. He loves 141 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: was how he said his name right. But Arvilla Reese 142 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: explodes this year and becomes this dominant player and ends 143 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: up being the more prominent defender in this nation's best defense, 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: this Ohio State defense that had ballers at every level. 145 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: At Caleb Downs back there, you had Rees, and you 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: had Styles, you had McDonald at the defensive line. That 147 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: they had guys at every level, And so people kind 148 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: of forgot about styles. Even the draftnicks kind of forgot 149 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: about styles because when you thought about that defense, you 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: thought about Reese and his production, and again it just 151 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: overshadowed what he did. But this is how you can 152 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: rescue your draft stock by coming out here and being 153 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: an athletic freak on the biggest stage in the pre 154 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: draft process and taking back your narrative and shooting back 155 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: up the draft board. And it opens up this debate 156 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: that's like threefold, which is you go between Reese and Bailey. 157 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Aiden Hutchinson versus Trayvon Walker 158 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: debate of a few years ago. Which one do you 159 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: take at number one or versus number two, the more 160 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: polished producer who ended up being Hutchinson or the guy 161 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: with the higher upside who was Walker. That's essentially what 162 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: people view Reese as well. And I can throw Styles 163 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: into the mix, not as a one to one comparison, 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: but also another candidate for these teams like the Jets, 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: who have a lot to determine. 166 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: And it's a good problem to have if. 167 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: You're the Jets. 168 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to focus on the combine tonight 169 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: because we're going to dive into these players deeper throughout 170 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: the process. But it is funny to me because I 171 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: saw someone write about sunny styles. This might be one 172 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: of the best like inside linebacker prospects we've seen in 173 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: a long time. And I'm thinking, what about RL Reese 174 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: because sees him as an edge and at least the 175 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: guy who split his time pretty equally at edge and 176 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: off ball linebacker. But he goes out tonight and he 177 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: runs a four to four six. The official times actually 178 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: were the exact same. He is an absolute tank. During 179 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: both of the position drills, they looked incredible. Their ten 180 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: yards splits were incredible, and there are there's reasonable minds 181 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: can disagree, but you know, we we're going to talk 182 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: to Ali Connelly on the show throughout the draft process, 183 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: and he really thinks recently is going to be better 184 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: as an off ball linebacker. He thinks he's he's a 185 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: linebacker guy, and he thinks Reese is the best linebacker 186 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: prospect potentially since Luke Keigley. And so that's two guys 187 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: on one team. You're in the building before we move 188 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: on from these two kind of what what did you 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: see out of their position drills? 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: In Ree specifically, it's so funny that you mentioned that, 191 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: because I was going through this in my head as 192 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: we're watching all of this happen and listened to DJ 193 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: on the broadcast talk about how he sees Reese who's gonna, 194 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: you know, his but his bread's gonna be buttered at 195 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: edge in the NFL, and I'm thinking, Okay, I get that, 196 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: I understand that, But that's actually the biggest question mark 197 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: on his resume as of now is how you know 198 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: developed of a pass rusher? 199 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: Are you? 200 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: He was a very good edgesetter when he played up 201 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: on the ball at Ohio State, but he was a 202 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: really dynamic linebacker off the ball no matter who they played, 203 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: whether it was Texas in their first game of the season, 204 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Michigan in their last game of this regular season, he 205 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: was always the guys making plays from the second level, 206 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: shooting the run gaps, doing whatever was necessary to really 207 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: make a huge difference. No matter what game you put on, 208 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: he was always there as their best defensive player. And 209 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: I think that it would kind of sell him short 210 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: to just force him into the edge rusher role when 211 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: we've seen significant amounts of tape at least over one 212 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: season in which he can thrive at that position and 213 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: was a difference making player on the best defense in 214 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: college football. And the comparison I came to in my 215 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: head was kind of the arc of Micah Parsons, because 216 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: when Parsons came out of Penn State, he did a 217 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: little bit of both as well. And when he started 218 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: with the Cowboys, he was off ball as much as 219 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: he was on ball, and he was a sideline to the 220 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: sideline player, and eventually he was kind of forced into 221 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: the edge rushing role. Now, of course, you can do 222 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: what the Packers did with him this year, which is 223 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: line him up in the a gap from time to 224 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: time to show you some weird pressure looking freak out 225 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: the offensive lineman and produce pressures. 226 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: And you could do that with Reese too. 227 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: I just think that if you're going to maximize his 228 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: talent pinning him into the sand or into the edge 229 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: rushing position and just asking him to hunt the quarterback, 230 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: I think you're selling yourself short on what you could 231 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: potentially get, especially the guy who's going to get drafted 232 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: as highly as he's going to be. 233 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: Right, I think Parsons it became clear at the that 234 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: he was just better. He was better as an addresser. 235 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: I think I am excited to go through the tape more. 236 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: But in terms of instincts and just having a natural 237 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: feel for the position, I think it might be a 238 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: different conversation for NFL teams of just Okay, let's see 239 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: what it can do. And obviously having that ability as 240 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: a blitzer is always going to be a huge, huge plus. 241 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: You kind of need that at the NFL level. That's 242 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: where the best linebackers are anyways. So it's fascinating since 243 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: you were there, though, like what did you see just 244 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: from those two guys and at in terms of the 245 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: position drills in the stadium? Like what did you like? 246 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, That's why I kind of mentioned the 247 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: whole strength of the class as a whole, because there's 248 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: been many years where I've sat there and there's maybe 249 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: one or two guys that you're like, Okay, this guy's 250 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: a stud. The rest of them forgettable. We'll see how 251 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: long they last in the NFL. This group this year 252 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: had a ton of talented guys, and if it wasn't 253 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: for recent styles at the top of the class, there 254 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: were multiple other guys who would have been the best 255 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: linebacker in their class in previous years. And they get 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: overshadowed by the two buck eyes. But when you watched Reese, 257 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: you watch Styles. First off, they're polished. Their explosive just 258 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: fluidity is off the charts. They are natural athletes. I 259 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: thought watching Reese finish a play where like you know, 260 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: you're running through the cone at the end and then 261 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: watching the next guy do it, and I'm like, there 262 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: is a noticeable gap in how quickly they get from 263 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: point A to point B, and the same was true 264 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: with Styles. Now he stumbled a couple of times, but 265 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: to kind of paint the picture of how explosive he 266 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: is as as an athlete. 267 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: They're doing this pass rushing drill. 268 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: They're going around the bag and he wipes out, but 269 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: he wiped out like incredibly violently before getting up and 270 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: trying to finish the drill. Like that's how explosive of 271 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: a player he is. And you could just see the 272 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: difference between those two and the rest, although the difference 273 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: wasn't as wise as it would be in a typical 274 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 2: year because there is so much other talent. I think 275 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: about the Texas tech Jacob btt Rodriguez, Kid Betcher from Oregon, 276 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: I thought I did really well and the drills, didn't 277 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: test quite as well. There's a number of other guys, 278 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: as a kid from Cincinnati that is also a very 279 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: good linebacker. So there's a lot of depth in this group, 280 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: more than I've seen over the last decade. But it's 281 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: very clear who the top two guys are. 282 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob Brodriguez from Texas Tech didn't know how he 283 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: would test and ran really well, looked really good for 284 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: his size. A guy maybe believed to be kind of 285 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: a late too, he might have pushed himself up before 286 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: we move on from the linebackers to the lineman. If 287 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: if you've got any other shout outs at linebacker, go 288 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: for it. If not, tell me what you stuck out 289 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: to you most at defensive line. 290 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the kid from Cincinnat's name is Jake's Jake Goldey. 291 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: I think he was a guy that most people expected 292 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: to test pretty well, and then he lived up to 293 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: that and then also did really well in the drills, 294 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: and I think he earned himself some money tonight. Wesley Saint, 295 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: I think that's how you say it from Miami. He 296 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: didn't test really well, but I love the way he 297 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: looked in the drills. He made a super athletic grab 298 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: running down the line in one of the early change 299 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: of direction drills and kind of made a lot of 300 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: plays like that throughout his workout on the field. 301 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: I thought he was good. 302 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: There's this under six foot linebacker from pitt his name's 303 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: Kyle Lewis, and I think he's basically a box safety, 304 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: but he was really quick because I think he's a 305 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: box safety. Jack Kelly from BYU had a strong showing, 306 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 2: and then you had the kid from Duke and then 307 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: Anthony Hill Junior from Texas as well. That was like 308 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: my honorable mentions group from this overall linebacking group. But 309 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: I mean, there's this is the first time where I 310 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: put together three linebackers for the All Combine team and 311 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: felt really good about all. 312 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Right, like your All Combined team, we're gonna be hitting 313 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the positions. On a Sunday night recap show, 314 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Nick Shook is working long hours there in Indianapolis, and yeah, 315 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: it is crazy how many linebackers, for instance, Rodriguez, Kyle 316 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: Lewis you mentioned, who are kind of projected to be 317 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: in that day to range. So just like a really 318 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: deep year at the position. Let's go to the edge 319 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: spot where you know, the headline was definitely David Bailey, 320 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: very slight favorite right now to be the number two 321 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: overall pick in terms of the if you wanted to 322 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: get into the wagering of it all in Vegas, tell 323 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: me about his day as as kind of edge one. 324 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the thing so I had. 325 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: I was kind of confused about how to organize these 326 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: because of the Reese discussion that we just had right 327 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: because they. 328 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: Could be anywhere whatever you want to put him Bailey. 329 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: Bailey is the most polished edge out there. But we 330 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: also didn't see ruben Bain perform. We didn't see Masidor perform. 331 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: Both of the Miami edge rushers, they did not participate 332 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: in the on field workout. There was also the talk 333 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: about ruben Bain's arm length that we've heard all week, 334 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: and that was another topic today when he came in 335 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: under thirty one inches, which was a mild surprise to 336 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: even those who thought they had him, you know, projected best. 337 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: But for the guys that were on the field, Bailey 338 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: right now has the most complete package for somebody that's 339 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: pro ready as an edge rusher. 340 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: He did. 341 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: He posts a four five forty twelve nine broad jump, 342 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, crushed it and actually I think it was 343 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: ten nine on the broad ject at twelve nine and 344 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: huge vert. 345 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 346 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: His athleticism score was eighty from next Gen and he 347 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: was solid throughout the drills. He's a natural athlete, like 348 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: he's just he has that burst. He just looks like 349 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: like the fit of an edge rusher. The way he moves, 350 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: you can just tell it's a pro level guy. But 351 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: there was an interesting detail I found in his workout 352 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: that I didn't notice before, and I don't really think 353 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: it's gonna matter all that much. He fired his feet 354 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: at a higher rate than I've seen anybody else do 355 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: on the field in quite a while at that position 356 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: group and among the guys that he was on the 357 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: field with tonight. 358 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: But there was an interesting way that he went around. 359 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: Some of the turns and these like agility drills where 360 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: you're changing direction, whereas like some guys might take three 361 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: steps to get around a corner and they might cut 362 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: really sharply, and Bailey's feet are so fast that like 363 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: he like pedals them down and like rotates around the turn. 364 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's unique, and I wonder how that's 365 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: going to translate. But you can't deny the production at 366 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: Texas Tech. He was a huge difference maker and he's 367 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: it's totally justified for him to be considered a top 368 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: five pick. 369 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Then, and they showed him on one of those 370 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: drills kind of matching him up with another one of 371 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: the players. Now I forget which one was. I don't 372 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: think goes cash as hell and and they and they 373 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: looked almost too similar in a way. The DJ kind 374 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: of hinted just that like just like a hint of stiffness, 375 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: which is is crazy and it's probably nitpicking, but when 376 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: you went with his measurements and his size, like the 377 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: closest comp was von Miller, which is just but he 378 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to necessarily have that sort of same bend. 379 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean, who does that? 380 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the bend. 381 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: The bend is not there, right, but that's the all 382 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: time bend guy I did. Like next Gen stats has 383 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: a production score of just like total production over the 384 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: last five years. And here's your top five players over 385 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: the last five years. Number one was Will Anderson. Now 386 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: I forget what the order was. Bailey is in the 387 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: mix there. Then it's Abdull Carter, Aiden Hutchinson is in 388 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: the mix as well, and Reuben Bain was also in 389 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: that top five, So that's a good list to be on. 390 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't mess with that production. 391 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: And going back to yeah, you talked about the short arms, 392 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: There's never been a top one hundred pick at that 393 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: position with sub thirty one inch arms. A lot of people, though, 394 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: say the way that he wins with his powers and 395 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: the counters that he's actually come up with and leverage, 396 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: like the short arms are almost an advantage for him, 397 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: and he's kind of shown he can overcome it at 398 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: a high level. Also, Adam Schefter had a very funny 399 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: tweet that said, actually two teams measured him at thirty 400 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: two inches and these combine measurements have been really small 401 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: over the years. So yeah, you definitely wonder where Adam 402 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: Schefter is getting that information. I'm sure it was coming 403 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: from the Ruben Bain camp. But I don't know where 404 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: you're at in terms of concerns, because remember the whole 405 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson deal, like a couple of years ago. Of 406 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: his short arms obviously hasn't been a problem for him, 407 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: but Bains was like another inch inch and a half 408 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: I think shorter. 409 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: I really only care about if you have short arms 410 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: as if you're a speed guy, because if you're gonna 411 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: win the speed, the best way to do is to 412 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: keep offensive lineman's hands off of you, and usually need 413 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: the length as well to prevent them from It's like boxing, 414 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: like the longer reach you can find on the outside 415 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: with a longer reach, right, So the same thing kind 416 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: of applies for ed rushers who win the speed. 417 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: Speed is not Bain's game. Bains game's power. 418 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: He's not gonna care if you get your hands on 419 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: him and his arms are short, because he's got the 420 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: power to overcome that. So I don't really care about 421 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: the arm length thing. 422 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 3: I think. 423 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: I think I've seen enough from his production at Miami 424 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: to know that he is a stud, and he's going 425 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: to be a stud at the next level. Take him, 426 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: don't worry about the length, and if he slides because 427 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: the length a little bit, then good for the team 428 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: that's there to scoop him up. And it also kind 429 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: of points to like we talked about hand size with quarterbacks. 430 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: I only care about hand size if you're catching or 431 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: holding the football as a running back, not as a quarterback. 432 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter to me. We think about Kenny 433 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: Pickett in his small hands, and you can continue to 434 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: go down the list with different guys. I think about 435 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: Ricky Williams had small hands that mattered, he had a 436 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: fumbling issue early in his career. 437 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about Drake May's hand size after 438 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: seeing him play in the cold in the playoffs. 439 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but it's just like, I don't care 440 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: as much about those measurements unless there's another player in 441 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: this group, for example, that I think the arm length 442 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: does matter because while Bain's arms are short, cash Is 443 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: hal from Texas A and M had even shorter arms, 444 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: and he is a speed winner, and I think that 445 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: he lost a good amount of stock today because of 446 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: his short arms, And it just the athleticism score doesn't 447 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: match up when you consider those measurements. And then you 448 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: watch his workout on the field and you're like, Okay, 449 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: I see the fluidity and the speed there, but something's 450 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: lacking that I don't think he's the first round pick 451 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: that a lot of people think that he is. And 452 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: so that's a case where measurement kind of does matter 453 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: because of the style that he plays with it doesn't 454 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: apply to Baine, though. 455 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: Interesting he was a guy who, according to NGS, was 456 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: the fastest in terms of the pass rush drill where 457 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: it's like rounding the corner that he was moving the fastest, 458 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: and that apparently matches up with his game tracking. He's 459 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: from A and M more of a speed rusher, a 460 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: guy projected for maybe the middle ish, maybe middle late 461 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: of the first round. So it's interesting. It's it's maybe 462 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: what you like because you could see that and say 463 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: he's he's moving the fastest around the corner, and you 464 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: get excited. I saw some other guys who just like, 465 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: did not look at smooth Keldric Falk. I believe it 466 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: was yes who just did not look as smooth to 467 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: me in the drills. Give me some of your favorites 468 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: and I guess least favorites too out of the edges. 469 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: Well with Hal, he also ran a four five nine forty, 470 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: which was not fast enough given you know his archetype 471 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: that he's a speed player. So I honestly think that 472 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: he may have fallen out of the first round entirely 473 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: after Wow, which is unfortunate, but that could be the reality. 474 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: When it comes to Falk, I'm glad you said that, 475 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: because I felt like, you know, he came in, He's 476 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: a kid from Auburn, and he came in with a 477 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: lot of promise, expected to be a first round pick, 478 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 2: and a lot of his drill was just the half 479 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: hazard in a way like it was just it wasn't clean. 480 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: A lot of his reps were not clean. There were 481 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: good moments. I thought he got stronger as the workout 482 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: progress once he gets to running the hoop, that sort 483 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: of thing that usually separates some of your premier players 484 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: from the rest of the pack, and I thought that 485 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: he was very good in that. 486 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 3: But earlier drills, you know. 487 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: Slips, stumbles, that sort of thing, not the quickest in 488 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: change of direction. 489 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised by that. 490 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 2: So he did not end up making it onto the 491 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: top of my group, but he did end up in 492 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: the houniable mentions because of the way that he finished. 493 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: Other guys that I liked at edge rusher George Gums, 494 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: which sounds like a fictional name, but he comes from 495 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: Florida and I thought he had a very impressive workout. 496 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: Romelo Height from Texas Tech, very explosive, good burst on 497 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: him as well. 498 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: Max Lowland. I think that's how you say from Iowa. 499 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: He's a classic Iowa edge rusher, kind of not really 500 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: in the mold of Lucas van Ness, but similar just 501 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: because you see kids from Iowa and they usually fit 502 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: these certain archetypes, and he definitely fits it. But he 503 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: was very polished. You could tell he'd play a lot 504 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: of football with the Hawkeyes. Vincent Anthony Junior from Duke, 505 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: that's actually the Duke kid that I referenced earlier. I 506 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: had him in the wrong position group. And then Mason 507 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: Rieger from wiscond much like kids from Iowa, Wisconsin edge rusher, 508 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: who is very polished, very controlled, and a little more 509 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: explosive than I thought he was. When he got into 510 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: some of those the short zone drop drills, he had 511 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: more burst than I thought. So I'm very intrigued by 512 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: him because a lot of his reps were when he 513 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 2: came to fundamentals, they were they were done very well. 514 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Are you saying that Iowa has a type, you know, 515 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: like Iowa definitely has a type Kurcha type. 516 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly what I was thinking, except he's 517 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: faster Thanesa was. 518 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: Hey, they're the only ones that saw pass color and 519 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: gave Riley Moss a chance to play cornerback. Or maybe 520 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: they didn't see pass color, but either way, they took 521 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: advantage about to get a great second contract here, so 522 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: someone else should have should have snapped him up. Let's 523 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: fly through the defensive tackles before we take a break. 524 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by Caleb Banks, the Florida Prospect. You know, 525 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: in general, this was an interesting group because you know, 526 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: DJ has four guys kind of in that like late 527 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: first early second group, and they're all close. Lee Hunter 528 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: of Texas Tech, Caden McDonald of Ohio State looked like 529 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: had a fun day. Caleb Banks is also in that 530 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: mix and in Caleb Banks is a big dude six 531 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: six three twenty seven the longest wingspan of any defensive 532 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: lineman since nineteen ninety nine, that's just when they started 533 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: building it, so basically he has the longest wingspan in 534 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: the history of the combine. He kind of looks like 535 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: the Forrest Buckner out there, except he's like broad jumping 536 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: and athletically testing even better than that. Do you think 537 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: he's a he's a player and who stood out to you? 538 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 5: Yeah? 539 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: He did. 540 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: He actually doesn't end up making my all Combine team. 541 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: But it's not really not against him. He just didn't 542 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: jump out as much as a couple of the other 543 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: guys in the drills, so they did, but all the 544 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: things that you just meant went over, you know, puts 545 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: him up there in that group. I actually think it's 546 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: a very deep defensive tackle class this year because let's 547 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: think about like Peter Woods from Clemson, like doesn't get 548 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: out there and participate in the drills, doesn't run a forty, 549 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: but his measurable stack up he's usually at the top 550 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: of this group. And some of the other guys that 551 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: you just mentioned are also in there. But I also 552 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: some of the guys that jumped out to me on 553 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: the field that are not in this group that most consider. 554 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: Zane Durant from Penn State puts down the fastest forty 555 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: time as a defensive tackle, which how much do you 556 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: care about that? Think about Jordan Davis for me for 557 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: a few years back, and you're like, well, does that 558 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: really matter that much? 559 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't accept tend though too. Zane Durant look crazy exactly. 560 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: His explosion was different from the rest. 561 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 2: Sometimes when you sit up in the suite at the 562 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: combine and you see these guys perform, there's one or 563 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: two that just move differently than the rest. I think about. 564 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: Tristan Wurfs was that way. Bjon Robinson was that way. 565 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: Zane Durant was that way. He was clearly of the 566 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: guys that were doing the drills today, the best one 567 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: out there. Explosive, very refined in his technique, very pro ready. 568 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see where he lands, because I'm 569 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: not sure if he makes it into that top five 570 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: group or if he's a great value pick for a 571 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: team that's picking outside of those top five defensive tackles 572 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: in Day two somewhere and makes some team really happy. 573 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: He was one of my guys in that group. I 574 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: was also very torn with my other inclusion on this 575 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: all combined team between two guys, Demante k Hard from Clemson, 576 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: who is just a violent defensive tackle, very athletic, long, 577 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: and then Caleb Proctor who spent his college career in 578 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: anonymity at Southeastern Louisiana. And I'm watching him move through 579 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: these drills and I'm like, he moves like an NFL player. 580 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: He moves as well as a lot of these other 581 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: guys do. How is he at Southeastern Louisiana the whole time, 582 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: and I think it's a size thing. I think that 583 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: when he finds his match with an NFL team, it's 584 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: got to be with a team that relies on a 585 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: lot of movement and stunts, because man on man, I 586 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: think he'll get buried. 587 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: But if you move him around and rely on. 588 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: His athleticism to get the an edge on a blocker, 589 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: he can make a difference. 590 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 4: He was. 591 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: I thought he cruised through a lot of these drills today. 592 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: He had great body control, super smooth and athletic. I 593 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: had just had a bunch of notes like that and 594 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: so fluid and things like that. So as the drills 595 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: went on, I was like, God, I think I got 596 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: to include this kid just because I'm very impressed with 597 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: how he moves now. Defensive line is kind of hard 598 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: to judge because what's at the core of a defensive 599 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: lineman is being able to be stout in the interior 600 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 2: and win shed blocks, fill gaps, that sort of thing, 601 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: and you're not getting that at the combine, So you 602 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of have to judge how strong is their base, 603 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: how light are they on their feet, are they shifty? 604 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 3: Can they move back and forth? That sort of thing, 605 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 3: and he definitely did it. 606 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: But k Part, I think kind of projects as a 607 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: guy who put together a good athleticism showing he had 608 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: an eighty five athleticism score according to the next Gen Stats, 609 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: that was the third best among all defensive tackles. 610 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: Durant had the best at eighty nine. 611 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: The violence with which he plays and the fact that 612 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: you know he's a bigger guy, a longer guy, I 613 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: think that he projects to be somebody who could make 614 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: a difference there. 615 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 3: He was the first amount honorable mentions. I was very 616 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: impressed by him as well. 617 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and those are two guys Zeene Durant Caleb Proctor 618 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: who were not in the consensus top one hundred going 619 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: into today. Now, the consensus boards there, it's maybe not 620 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: that accurate at this time of year. It's more about 621 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: what the draft knicks think than what the league thinks. 622 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: But it's just a collection of all the different big 623 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: boards out there, and it gives someone like me just 624 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: a general feeling of like where these guys are at. 625 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: So I think they help themselves today, just like Nick 626 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: Schuok is helping us out today. I love this time 627 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: of year going to school on these guys. I also 628 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: liked that Matt Ryan was there in the crowd. He's 629 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: not phoning this job in like Tom Brady, you know 630 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: what I mean. He's like really making it happen. 631 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: That makes me feel so special to be in the 632 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: same building as somebody who thought he could sit among 633 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: everybody else as the president of football for the Atlanta Falcons. 634 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: Almost as special as being in the sweet next to 635 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport made me feel today. 636 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: Ooh, that's great, and yeah, I like, you know, there's 637 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: this the Falcons right now, there's this whole debate whether 638 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: the Bears will get credit for Ian Cunningham going to 639 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: be the GM of the Falcons because you're supposed to 640 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: get draft picks if a minority candidate leaves from your 641 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: program and gets the highest ranking you know, football decision 642 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: maker job at another program, you actually get mid on 643 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: draft picks, and they're not right now because Matt Ryan 644 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: is above him on the totem pole, and him showing 645 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: up for the combine actually kind of supports the fact 646 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: that it probably is going to be Matt Ryan in 647 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: charge over There also bad moment for Aaron Glenn, who 648 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: was caught a sleep on NFL network. I'm not sure 649 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: because I know you're actually there watching what's happening. I'm 650 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: just looking at Twitter and Aaron Glenn was asleep. Someone 651 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: very clearly like said you know, yelled at him and 652 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: was like, you're asleep on camera right now, like Aaron. 653 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: And then he suddenly wakes up and he looks at 654 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: the camera, and because of there's a tape delay, I 655 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: think he looked up to see himself asleep on NFL network, 656 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: which is has to be like the worst way you 657 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: can possibly wake up. And unfortunately, I feel like it's 658 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna be as it is moving forward. 659 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: It is when the Jets struggle, that's the first clip 660 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: that we're going to see popularized and just spread across 661 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: social media. But it's still not as bad as the 662 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: couple at the Cold Blake concert. So at least he's 663 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: got that. 664 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: He's got that. But I mean, I think Jets fans 665 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: at this point are like, can we just get through 666 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: a combine day without? 667 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: Hey man, long days? 668 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Our organization just not embarrass us for a day. All right, 669 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: let's take a break. We're gonna come back and we're 670 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna fly some through some news because I feel bad 671 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: right now, like Shuck's been working for fifteen hours straight. 672 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: We got to let him go get a steak or 673 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: something in Indianapolis. Back in a minute, back on NFL Daily, 674 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I can recognize the west in room. I was just 675 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: in it. But I gotta say I'm not complaining about 676 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: being back in sunny southern California mid seventies. Today, Shook, 677 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: you still got a waste to go and get ready. 678 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: It is time for charging into the offseason, presented by 679 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: Apple Card for all your game day purchases. Welcome up 680 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: to some trade news today. Shook got a trade. The 681 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Jets made a trade Jermaine Johnson, former first round pick 682 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: I think has had a solid career tours Achilles hasn't 683 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: quite been the same since is going to his former coach, 684 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: Robert Salah in Tennessee for defensive tackle Tovandre Sweat, a 685 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: second round pick who we talked a lot about a 686 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: couple of years ago at the Combine because there was 687 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: off field concerns. Is this guy take the game seriously enough? Now? 688 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: These two defensive linemen getting swapped. Just as a little 689 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: bit of a recap, I think Sweats probably performed two 690 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: expectations in his career. Good expectation. He's played pretty well 691 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: as a nose tackle through two seasons. What did you 692 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: make of this move? The Jets, you know, getting Jermaine Johnson, 693 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the Jets getting to Andandre Sweat. 694 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 2: Sweat's also been the inspiration for some of the more 695 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: hilarious calls that we've gotten in the last couple of 696 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: years when he makes an occasional play on the ball, 697 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 2: like a turn up riggins the ball in his hands, 698 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: because a big men move with the football is always entertaining. 699 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 700 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: I think he's lived up the expectation and the way 701 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: that you summarize Johnson as accurate as well. 702 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: I just I think it's a matter of fit. 703 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: Robert Sala comes into Tennessee and he probably accepts that 704 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: Sweat does not fit in the way that he wants 705 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: to play defense, because Sweat is a big bodied, you know, 706 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: gap plugging nose. And you got to think about who 707 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: were the feature players in Sala's defense in New York. 708 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: It was guys like Quinn Williams who were the future 709 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: players in Salas defense. In San Francisco this year was 710 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: rookie CJ. West and other players like that. Is they 711 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: tried to rebuild their defensive line. Sweat does not fit 712 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: the mold of any of those guys, so it makes 713 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: sense to do this deal and also get one of 714 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: Sala's old guys that he likes from the Jets to 715 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: plug in their at edge rusher because they need help 716 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: in that front seven, and so it makes a ton 717 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: of sense in a one for one. 718 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: It works out for me. 719 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: It's a nice, little, solid, explainable, understandable trade in late February. 720 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and since they both have top four picks, you know, 721 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: people wonder will that impact anything. No, this trade should 722 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: not impact anything. Even if let's say the Jets the 723 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: Titans like signed another defensive end in free agency, I 724 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: don't think that really gives away what they're gonna do. 725 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: I think you just have to take the best player, 726 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: and Jermaine Johnson has one year left on his contract. 727 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: I also think finances, you know, were a fact here. 728 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: The Titans have a lot of cap space and so 729 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: they can take on a big fifth year option contract, 730 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: whereas Tvandre Sweat has two years for pretty cheap. Just 731 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: on the football merits of it all, I think it's 732 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: a pretty good trade for the Jets. It does make 733 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: you wonder. There's been like little whispers of like, you know, 734 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: how much does Sweat love the game? All that sort 735 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: of stuff, like it is you see the type of 736 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: guy you want to build around, and so maybe that 737 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: factors into it too, But just the football. You get 738 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: a cheaper player for an extra year who's played pretty well, 739 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: not bad for the Jets. The Titans also cut Lloyd 740 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: cushion Berry, who two years ago was one of the 741 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: highest paid players. I mean, the Titans cut Lloyd cushion 742 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: Berry who two years ago were was one of the 743 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: highest paid players in free agency. He was a center, 744 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: suffered a really serious injury, never quite looked the same, 745 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: and he is now free and the Titans have a 746 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: lot of cap space and a lot of needs, and 747 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: now they have a new need at center. Another possible trade. 748 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: Cameron Wolf of the NFL Network reports there's mutual interest 749 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: in an Anthony Richardson trade to the Vikings. That would 750 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: be spicy going to Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings, you know, 751 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: need a quarterback and Anthony Richardson. It was officially you know, announced, 752 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, by reporters that they gave him permission to 753 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: seek a trade. We kind of knew that he would 754 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: be available. 755 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, have we talked about this on this show, because 756 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: I know I've had these discussions with a number of 757 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 6: different people about how Anthony Richardson has no futures in 758 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 6: Indianapolis and that this was probably going to happen at 759 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 6: some point, and so for it to come to fruition 760 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 6: at least in the form of a rumor a report 761 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 6: from Camp Wolf, which is hilarious by the way, because 762 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 6: I saw Cam last night and we had a nice conversation. 763 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: Then you wake up this morning and and Cam's just 764 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 2: pounding the pavement getting the story. He's out there because 765 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: this is how the combine works. Yeah, it makes all 766 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: the sense in the world. The Vikings not so much, 767 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: because I know that they need to bring in competition. 768 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: They feel like they need to push JJ McCarthy and 769 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: they also need to have better options behind him. But 770 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 2: do you want to invite what would inevitably be become 771 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: a distraction because you have two young quarterbacks to both 772 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 2: former first round picks, and what happens when McCarthy struggles 773 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: and then oh go to Richardson And do you really 774 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: want that instability? 775 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 3: I'm not so certain. 776 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 2: But then again, This is a team that happily added 777 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, and you know he didn't obviously take the 778 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: field for them during that season, but they're not unfamiliar 779 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: with taking a swing at a former first round prospect 780 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 2: at the quarterback position and seeing what they could potentially 781 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 2: get out of them. 782 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is he's too close to what they 783 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: have in JJ McCarthy. Yes, like a guy who is 784 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: a total question mark and is young and needs. 785 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: To does it doesn't It doesn't shit what they need, 786 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: which is they need somebody reliable behind JJ. 787 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I can actually only imagine him being there if they 788 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: brought in another player too, that they have three players 789 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: and it's a veteran because I frankly expect them to 790 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: bring in someone who has a better chance to unseat 791 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. In fact, I kind of expect them to 792 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: bring in someone who will be the favorite to start 793 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: this year. But they have to find that guy. It's 794 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: easier said than done. So maybe there's interest, but I 795 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: don't know if I don't know if that would be 796 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: it for quarterback, but we'll see that. That would be fascinating. 797 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: I also heard a Cardinals I read a Cardinals source 798 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: who said that they heard that Gino Smith could be 799 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: in the mix as well as Anthony Richardson in Arizona, 800 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: which is fascinating. 801 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 3: They don't, they don't seem. 802 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: To be very on top of Kyler, so like they 803 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 2: be very on board with that, So that makes no sense. 804 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: I don't think the Kyler thing is happening. One thing 805 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: we we failed to mention on the last show that 806 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: I meant to it was it was hilarious that Kyler's 807 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: camp came out after the Cardinals said that they've spoken 808 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray and they've kind of been letting it 809 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: be known, like, hey, maybe we'll keep Kyler. There was 810 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: a source that told ESPN, actually, they haven't talked to 811 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: us at all. He hasn't spoken with Antiausen for once. 812 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: So it's like you can try to pretend like you're 813 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: keeping me potentially just to raise leverage when you have 814 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: no interest yet. I'm not. We're not going to play 815 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: that game. 816 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: We're not going to help you out, Cardinals, the leverage game. 817 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: It's always fun this time of year. It produces lies, fibbs, 818 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want. 819 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyler, I do not think his stay in there. 820 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk reported that the Raiders want two first 821 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: round picks plus a player for Max Crosby. That's the 822 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: exact price, and the player was Kenny Clark of Michael Parsons. 823 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: I think for Max Crosby, I think that tells me, Yeah, 824 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: the Raiders would do that, and they probably I think, 825 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: know that that they won't get it, and that they're 826 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: okay with that. 827 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's think about the art of negotiation. You start 828 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: with a high price, they come in with a low price, 829 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: and you work your way towards the middle. I guess 830 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: this is just the starting point for them to see 831 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 2: at least get the wheels turning on a potential move, 832 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 2: which it kind of just feels inevitable at this point. 833 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 2: I don't think they'll fetch that offer. I think you're right, 834 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: it's too high. That made sense for Michael Parsons, it 835 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: does not make quite as much sense for Max Crosby. 836 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: No matter how good of a player he is, he's 837 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 2: not the same player as Parsons. 838 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: And Ian Rapaport pointed out on our show. He's coming 839 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: off an injury and that really could mess things up. 840 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: I actually don't think Max Crosby's going to get traded 841 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: because I think the injury plus what they'll want. But 842 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 1: you raise a really good point, setting the bar high. 843 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: It's true if they're a leak, if that's getting leaked 844 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: to Pro Football Talk, then a first then a third 845 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: in a player would probably do it, So maybe that 846 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: could happen. I also thought it was interesting Clint Kubiak 847 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: came out and told the local media he is looking 848 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: for a quote two man show at running back in 849 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: that Ashton Genty quote needs a wingman and that's how 850 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: he likes to run backfields. 851 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just saw that. 852 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: It makes sense. But that's a top ten pick at 853 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: running back. So if you drafted him in dynasty fantasy 854 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: football leagues, maybe not the best news. 855 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, not a good pick for dynasty owners, not a 856 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 2: good pick for fantasy owners going into twenty twenty six. 857 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: But it's also not a good pick because they had 858 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 2: the worst offensive line in the NFL. So like, I 859 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 2: don't care who you put back there. You could put 860 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: like the reincarnation of Jim Brown behind Ashton Genty and 861 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: they're still probably not going to be very effective because 862 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 2: they can't block. So until they can block, it doesn't 863 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 2: really matter. 864 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson like his teammate Lane Johnson indicated on Instagram 865 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: that he will be returning to the twenty twenty six 866 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. We noted a couple of weeks ago that 867 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 1: both offensive linemen were reportedly considering not coming back. I 868 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: think think everyone was a little upset about Jeff Stoutlin, 869 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: their offensive line coach, leaving the building. In the end, 870 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: these are two of the best at what they do, 871 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: huge competitors, and they want to come back and they 872 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: will be back. So great news for the Eagles. There 873 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: more offensive line news in the NFC East. The Commanders 874 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: have released Tyler Biattish. Look, this is a story maybe 875 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: most podcasts wouldn't hit. I was very surprised by this though. 876 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: He was a guy who, you know, I know, Pro 877 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: Bowls don't mean that much, but made a Pro Bowl 878 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and started virtually every game 879 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: for the Commanders since he took over. As I dug 880 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: into it, it's maybe a little less surprising. He had 881 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: what's in an injury in late last season, a leg 882 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: ankle injury that I'm not really sure how serious it was, 883 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: and this release maybe indicates to me it's a little 884 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: more serious. If he was healthy. You know, he's not 885 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: even thirty yet. He's put up a lot of good 886 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: starts in the NFL. He'd be top fifty in my 887 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: Top one one free agents. But the uncertainty about the 888 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: injury makes me just want to like find out a 889 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: little more. But another hole for the commanders to fill. 890 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: They have a lot of holes to fill. 891 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it wasn't like money really motivated all that 892 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 2: much of it when they have a lot of cap 893 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 2: space to work with anyway, and they have holes to fill, 894 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 2: like you said. 895 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: And they only saved two point six million dollars, but 896 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: they do save a lot of Ultimately, you are paying 897 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: the guy a lot of money, and I think he 898 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: was doing like eight million dollars. So although the fact 899 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: that they released him makes me worry about possibly getting. 900 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 2: Him, yes, because maybe you know, for lack of a 901 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: better phrase, but he's he may be considered like damaged 902 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 2: goods as a free agent now and maybe they were 903 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 2: looking at that and trying to get ahead of it, 904 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 2: and so it makes sense. But you know what else, Greg, 905 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the suite tonight and I'm watching the 906 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: ticker go by, and Greg's Top one oh one free 907 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: agents are scrolling by, yes, and I think on a 908 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 2: separate podcast, you and I are going to have to 909 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 2: have some chats because I got some gripes, oh like 910 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: put like putting Kate out in. 911 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 3: The head of Isaiah. Likely I got some grip so 912 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 3: we need to discuss. 913 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: I wish I wish I had you on more for 914 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: those gripes, like before I put it out, because what 915 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: is it going to do me now? But no, I do. 916 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: I do want to explore that space another time. But yeah, 917 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people got on 918 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 1: me about the Kida and rank. 919 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 3: It's very high. 920 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: Will Anderson is going to be a priority for the Houston, 921 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 1: texans Ian Rappaport reported today that he thinks like long 922 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: term extension will happen sooner than later. Not a shock, 923 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: but just interesting how they're kind of prioritizing things. Shoulder 924 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: Sanders hopes to one day get a long term contract 925 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: extension somewhere in the neighborhood of Will Anderson. That that's 926 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: going to be a tall order, but you never know. 927 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: But what he did do was somehow make this show 928 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: by a completely surprising choice of gift for Todd Monkin. 929 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: Let's listen to Todd Monkin with CBS this week. 930 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 7: In fact, for my birthday, I got this package. I 931 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 7: thought it was from my wife. It's like this package 932 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 7: and opens it up, it's like this porcelain like horsehead 933 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 7: and it's from Shador. He sent me a gift on 934 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 7: my birthday and I asked him, I said, what was 935 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 7: the meaning? He said, well, I just really liked it. 936 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 7: Should I got myself one. I said, well, great, Okay. 937 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 2: Off, first off, this is why you make the big bucks, 938 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 2: because I was a hell of a segue to get 939 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 2: to Shador Sanders there, thank you. And secondly, this is 940 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 2: a godfather asked gift that usually is ominous and means 941 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 2: bad things for your coach, and I think that went 942 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 2: completely over Shador's head. 943 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 3: But also there's so many things here. 944 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,959 Speaker 2: Who like sees a porcelain horsehead and is like, wow, 945 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 2: I really like that. I want one, and I'm gonna 946 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 2: send one to my head coach for his birthday. He 947 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 2: has the best team around him to be aware of 948 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 2: these things and make them happen, even if they look 949 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: really strange to the rest of us. 950 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was with my friends at Jonathan 951 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: Jones and Pete Prisco, over at CBS. They were not 952 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: expecting any of that to come out. I have a 953 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on this. Number one. I wish I 954 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: had the confidence and the generosity, not just in terms 955 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: of money, but actually just of spirit too, because he 956 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: had to think to do that. I don't think that's 957 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: a team of people sending the porcelain horset. Now he 958 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: has to tell them, hey can you send this to coach? 959 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: But he has to think of it. So that's that's 960 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: a generous spirit. But I think you got to have 961 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: a certain sort of self confidence. I don't know what 962 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: the right word would be, just that like, hey, I 963 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: like this porcelain horse, said so much. I'm buying this 964 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: thing and my coach would love it. And I have 965 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: the confidence to send my coach like presence in the 966 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: in the mail and it's a bizarre present. I love 967 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: it all. I want. I want to see it. 968 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 2: I think I want to see it too. And you 969 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 2: know what I think I need to start doing. I 970 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 2: need to start sending you gifts on your birthday that 971 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 2: are strange. 972 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: No, I actually think it raises the chance of the 973 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: sure starting this year by like five a gift well, 974 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: just because it just shows a level of connectedness. We 975 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: saw that they saw each other, that they liked each other, 976 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: I think from the pre draft process, and when they 977 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: saw each other again in Cleveland, they it's just a 978 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: it's just a fun bromance. 979 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 2: It's preseason week three and Todd Monkin has to decide 980 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 2: between Shador Sanders, Deshaun Watson, and whoever else they bring 981 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 2: in a quarterback for week one. And it's late at 982 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 2: night and it's a hot summer evening in Beria and 983 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 2: the sun is set and Todd's in his office all 984 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 2: by himself, and he's lit by one overhead light like 985 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,919 Speaker 2: it's an interrogation room. And in that moment, he'll look 986 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 2: across the room to the porcelain horse head he decreatively 987 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 2: placed in the corner, and he'll say, I know who's 988 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 2: my guy. 989 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. That was beautiful. I'm really glad I 990 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: put that in the show. Now everything feels like an 991 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: anti climax after that. Finally, the the NFLPA scores, the 992 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: grades that they have for all the organizations came out today, 993 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: not officially because it was ruled that they weren't officially 994 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: allowed to do this this year, but they were allowed 995 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: to do the surveys and create the grades, they just 996 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to release them publicly, So of course it 997 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: ends up getting out. Kayln Kaylor, who's one of the 998 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 1: very best in the business, does it for ESPN. It 999 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: was her Super Bowl today. I saw someone say that 1000 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: and she retweeted it. Getting all these NFLPA grades out 1001 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: and the Steelers come in dead last. Thought that was 1002 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: interesting in terms of their facilities, in terms of how 1003 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: they take care of their players and the families. That 1004 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,240 Speaker 1: was interesting. Joe Shane was the lowest ranked general manager. 1005 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: And they're not like evaluating moves. It's more like they're 1006 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: evaluating I think the players, their relationship with the front office, 1007 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: how they feel about their front office. So that was 1008 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 1: very interesting to me. The Dolphins were the best ranked 1009 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,320 Speaker 1: team for the third straight year. The Vikings were second. 1010 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: They were always near the top. So the Dolphins take 1011 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: care of their players like it is a well run 1012 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: like ownership had like an a there, Everything had an 1013 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: a there. And the Commanders since Josh Harris took over, 1014 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: has zoomed from the very bottom of the league to 1015 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: up to third. Seattle and Jacksonville were also in the 1016 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: top five. Bottom five I mentioned Steelers were dead last, 1017 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals were second to last. They're always near the bottom. 1018 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell ranked as the worst owner in the league. 1019 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,359 Speaker 1: The Browns, the Bucks, and the Bengals were also near 1020 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: the bottom. And one thing that really struck me shook 1021 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: this year, you know, they also ranked the coaches. The 1022 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: lowest ranked coach period was Kevin Stefanski. That's interesting by 1023 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: his players, okay, and the lowest graded coach in the 1024 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: entire league that didn't get fired. I think he was 1025 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth lowest overall, but the other four had 1026 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: gotten fired. Of course the fans got the job immediately. 1027 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: Was Jim Harbaugh with a C. 1028 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 2: I could see that actually, this is the Harball thing 1029 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 2: is something that I wondered about when he jumped from 1030 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 2: Michigan back to the NFL. I wondered if his style, 1031 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 2: or you could describe it as shtick, may not wear 1032 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 2: well on his players after a while at the NFL level, 1033 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 2: just because it's a new generation who knows if it's 1034 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 2: going to work out or not. They have been successful, 1035 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 2: and I would love to see these grades correlate more 1036 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,760 Speaker 2: to success on the field, like the Dolphins, for example, 1037 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 2: but not super surprised about Harbaugh not getting a very 1038 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 2: high grade. 1039 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,799 Speaker 3: His demeanor in the way he does things are just 1040 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 3: a little different. 1041 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: And not like the Steelers. Being last is a tough look. 1042 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,240 Speaker 1: Three of the bottom five were kind of the old 1043 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: family owned teams Bengals, Cardinals, Steelers, you know that don't 1044 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: have that huge amount of cash that maybe some other 1045 00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 1: organizations do that we're in there. 1046 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,919 Speaker 3: All the Browns do, and they're low down. 1047 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: The Browns do, and they they spend their money on players. 1048 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on. 1049 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 2: Must be how they treat families. And maybe like the food, 1050 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 2: oh the food got better. 1051 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 3: I don't know. I always enjoyed breakfast and lunch there. 1052 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: That was charging into the off season, presented by Apple Card. 1053 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,280 Speaker 1: Apply for Apple Cart in the Wild app today. Start 1054 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: earning daily cash back on all your game day purchases, 1055 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: from tickets to tailgate munchies to merch subject to credit approval. 1056 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. It shook hang out 1057 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: for one second. What we're gonna do. We're gonna take 1058 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: a break. On the other side, We're gonna listen to 1059 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 1: a couple interviews that Jordan and I did before I 1060 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: left town. With the Panthers general manager and head coach. 1061 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,359 Speaker 1: And on the back end of that, we're gonna say 1062 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: goodbye and we're gonna tell you the trend that officially 1063 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: ended as of Thursday night during the NFL combine. Yes, 1064 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: NFL has killed an entire youth trend, and we'll tell 1065 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 1: you what it is. At the very end, we are 1066 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: here with the general manager of the Carolina Panthers, Dan Morgan, 1067 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: coming off a season where frankly, we just loved watching 1068 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers play at the end of the year, 1069 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: and you kind of are completing the triumvirate. We've had 1070 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: Brent Tillis on the show we had, so. 1071 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 5: You know, we talked about it. You vouched for him, 1072 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 5: and I was like, I don't know Brandt super well, 1073 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 5: so you know, would he be good to have on 1074 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 5: one of our Capsules series. He killed it, He did great. 1075 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 5: You called the shop though, you totally he said he would. 1076 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,320 Speaker 4: He's a great dude and super valuable to me. 1077 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 5: And we had Dave Canalis last year sitting in the 1078 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 5: very seat that you're sitting in now, So it's like 1079 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 5: it felt only right, you know, because you three are 1080 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 5: are quite the triangle of friendship. Also, you hear stories 1081 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 5: about how well you get along despite very different backgrounds 1082 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 5: and and sort of like very different philosophies that all 1083 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 5: sort of mesh together because they compliment each other. Yeah, 1084 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 5: what's it been like sort of building that decision making 1085 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 5: I want to say circle, but it's a triangle. 1086 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's been fun. 1087 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 8: I mean it always helps when the people you work 1088 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 8: with they're not just your workmates, they're your friends. They 1089 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 8: are people you enjoy coming to work every day and 1090 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 8: working with. And we all at the end of the day, 1091 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,120 Speaker 8: we just want to win. You know, we want to win. 1092 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,160 Speaker 8: We want to be happy and come in after wins. 1093 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 8: So you know, we work our butts off and you 1094 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,439 Speaker 8: know we put we put the work in every single day, 1095 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 8: but we enjoy every single day and we don't take 1096 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 8: it for granted. 1097 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 1: What was the feeling like after the playoff loss, which 1098 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: you know is always a really difficult day, and it yeah, 1099 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 1: it seems yeah season, but on the other hand, it 1100 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: was like, you guys played really well against this team 1101 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 1: that a lot of us thought you had a really 1102 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,839 Speaker 1: good chance to win the Super Bowl, and you're right there. 1103 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: So I guess take us through with that that day 1104 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: that the emotions were like. 1105 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,959 Speaker 8: Coming off of that game, disappointed. I think everybody was disappointed. 1106 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,800 Speaker 8: You know, we felt like we could have won that game. 1107 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 8: Obviously we didn't, so I could have, would have, should have, 1108 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 8: you know, but I think it gives us. 1109 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 4: Something to build on. 1110 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 8: I think that we're headed in the right direction as 1111 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 8: a franchise. I think the players in the building and 1112 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 8: the building in general, you know, we have that belief 1113 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,279 Speaker 8: the cultures shifting to a winning mindset and you have 1114 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,280 Speaker 8: to have that. If you don't have the winning mindset, 1115 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,240 Speaker 8: you don't. 1116 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 4: Have a chance. 1117 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 8: So do everybody's pulling in the same direction, excited about 1118 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 8: the future, and you know. 1119 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 4: We got to go earn it now. 1120 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 8: We got to put the work in, you know, from 1121 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 8: a front office perspective, coaches, players, we got to work 1122 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 8: and we got to go earn it. 1123 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 5: When I think a lot about what the Panthers, what 1124 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 5: you guys did this season, and it was like a 1125 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 5: joy ride for a lot of it, right, I. 1126 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: Mean they were like a roller coaster for yeah, like. 1127 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120 Speaker 5: Maybe the safety bar is not on either at this point, 1128 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 5: because sometimes you just felt, how are this how is 1129 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 5: this team doing this? They're still in a rebuild, you know, 1130 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 5: yet you know, yes, you have some veteran guys, and 1131 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 5: I think the floor was lifted, especially by some of 1132 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 5: the great coaching on both sides of the ball in 1133 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 5: certain positions. We loved the outside corners tandem and and 1134 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 5: just how they were getting the most out of everyone 1135 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 5: on the interior with the safeties, and and just like 1136 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,760 Speaker 5: because of how well they were playing. We loved watching 1137 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,080 Speaker 5: just the floor lift and pockets all over this roster. 1138 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 5: But now you've got to keep tweaking and adjusting despite 1139 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 5: the fact that that was such an adrenaline roller coaster. 1140 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 4: As you said, how do you. 1141 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 5: How do you like sift through the spikes essentially and 1142 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 5: gets really what is needed to keep filling. 1143 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 8: You know, I think the biggest thing for us in 1144 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 8: the roster building is we gotta we got to stick 1145 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 8: to our standards. Yeah, we gotta be disciplined in our approach, 1146 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 8: you know, and we got to bring our type of 1147 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 8: guys and we you know, we can't be competing against 1148 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 8: the internet. You know, people want you to sign this 1149 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 8: guy and there, Actually. 1150 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 5: We can't be competing against the internet. Yeah, so sirs, 1151 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 5: I'm looking at the content team right now, Like. 1152 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, from an in house film crew, like we are 1153 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: a reality star right now. 1154 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 4: I guess so that's not my style, but. 1155 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 5: You were giving a great answer forgive us. We interrupt 1156 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 5: each other a lot on this show, so. 1157 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,280 Speaker 4: It's fine, it's fine. I'm the same way. My add 1158 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,240 Speaker 4: kicks in as well. 1159 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,320 Speaker 8: But yeah, we yeah, we just you know, it's about 1160 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,760 Speaker 8: bringing the right players in, you know, to fit our culture, 1161 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,839 Speaker 8: bringing the right type of human being into into our 1162 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 8: locker room. Because your culture really starts with the players. 1163 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 8: You know, they are the culture. So as many players 1164 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 8: we can bring in that not only have great personal character, 1165 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 8: but they have a love for the game. They love 1166 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,400 Speaker 8: everything about the process. That's the type of guys we 1167 00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 8: want to bring in our building. 1168 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you need more firepower around Bryce Young 1169 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the offensive weapons. 1170 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 8: I think we're I'm always going to feel like that. 1171 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 8: You know, no matter how good we ever get, like, 1172 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 8: we're never going to be satisfied here. We're always going 1173 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 8: to be finding ways to get better, to grow and 1174 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 8: evolve and just find ways to give us an edge. 1175 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 8: You know, whether it's from a front office perspective, scouting, coaching, 1176 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 8: you know, we're always going to be looking for those edges. 1177 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 8: We're never going to feel like we've arrived. But that's 1178 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 8: the type of mindset we need to have to get 1179 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 8: to where we want to go, and not only get 1180 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,319 Speaker 8: there once, but to sustain it. 1181 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 5: Dan, I love when you can watch a coach build 1182 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 5: something like right out loud in front of everybody. Yeah, 1183 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 5: And a lot of times that happens when a team 1184 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 5: is figuring out how to maximize what it has as. 1185 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,680 Speaker 4: It goes through the course of the season. 1186 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 5: It's not just game planning, it's also how do we 1187 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,359 Speaker 5: align pieces on the chess board essentially. Yeah, and like 1188 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 5: your receips group and then the tight ends group together, 1189 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 5: I'm just lump them all into a one big pool. 1190 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 4: Here of pass catchers. Yeah. 1191 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 5: You could see, especially when Jalen Koker came back, you 1192 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,800 Speaker 5: could see the layers or the intent of the layers 1193 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 5: start to develop in this past game around Tedoro McMillan, 1194 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 5: but then with Jalen as a really complimentary kind of 1195 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 5: all over the field, trustworthy like weapon. And I guess 1196 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 5: what's the next step of that, Like, what's the next 1197 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,200 Speaker 5: layer that we wish we could have gotten a chance 1198 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 5: to see if maybe you guys kept going. But what 1199 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 5: we want to see and what you want to see 1200 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,280 Speaker 5: this coming season? 1201 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think to answer your question, I think, you know, 1202 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 8: develop guys still developing, you know, I think nowadays I think, 1203 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 8: you know, the outside, you know, not us on the inside, 1204 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,239 Speaker 8: but on the outside, we're so quick to just throw 1205 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 8: players under the bus. And like, I'm looking forward to 1206 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 8: seeing Xavior Leged develop. You know, he's he's not a 1207 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,720 Speaker 8: finished product. You know, he's still developing and he's getting better. 1208 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 8: So we're here to support him. The coaches are here 1209 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,240 Speaker 8: to support him, and you know, just keep developing our guys. 1210 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,080 Speaker 8: And we believed in these guys. We drafted them for 1211 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 8: a reason. We know they have it in them. But 1212 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 8: we're not giving up on them. They're they're are guys, 1213 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,040 Speaker 8: They're We're gonna win with these guys, and I have 1214 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 8: full confidence that that they're gonna you know, they're gonna 1215 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 8: turn the corner and they're gonna be what we thought. 1216 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 1: How do you feel about your center kid May's potentially 1217 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: coming back. 1218 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a possibility. 1219 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 8: You know, we've been talking to his agent and staying 1220 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 8: in contact with him, and you know, from my seat, 1221 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 8: you know, we these guys earned the right to go 1222 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 8: out and and you know, figure out what their market 1223 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 8: looks like, and you know, maybe somebody's gonna pay him 1224 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 8: a boatload of money, and you know, they earn that right, 1225 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 8: and you know we're going to stay in contact with 1226 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 8: them and at the end of the day, we'll see 1227 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 8: where the chips fall. 1228 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: Is it a bit of a two pronged attack too, 1229 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: with the injury to Ikya khanmu at the at the 1230 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: end of last season in his offensive line, you know, 1231 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 1: because of that focus for you. 1232 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's that's the NFL, that's life like. 1233 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 8: Things are going to happen, and you know we have 1234 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 8: to plan accordingly. And you know that's why I always 1235 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 8: talk about drafting the best player available, because you never 1236 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,800 Speaker 8: know what position you're going to get an injury at 1237 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 8: at any given moment in the season. So you know, 1238 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 8: we're about drafting the best football players and not so 1239 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 8: so much drafting for need. You know, unless it's equal, 1240 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 8: then yeah, I'll go with the need. But yeah, that's 1241 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 8: that's kind of what our philosophy is. 1242 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 5: How do you balance on I'm thinking about the defensive 1243 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 5: line too, and obviously I know you guys want to 1244 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 5: boke up the pass, rush Nicks court and really came alive. 1245 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 5: Was fun to watch. Oh yeah, such explosiveness. It just 1246 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 5: jumped off the screen. But obviously you want to build 1247 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 5: out that group and and you have some veterans on 1248 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 5: that you've had on the interior, you added free agents 1249 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 5: on the interior around Derek Brown. How do you continue 1250 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 5: to understand that was a very real part of your 1251 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 5: team building model last year year before continue to. 1252 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,919 Speaker 4: Draft and develop there. 1253 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 5: How do you balance that line that you're walking because 1254 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 5: you definitely are going to want to get some new 1255 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 5: people eventually to. 1256 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 4: Take over it. 1257 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you know when I took over and 1258 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 8: just talking to my team, like about what we want 1259 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,720 Speaker 8: it to be about. It's about winning the offensive line 1260 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 8: of scrimmage and the defensive line of scrimmage. Like we 1261 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 8: want to dominate both sides of the ball. And you know, 1262 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 8: in order to do that, you have to infuse talent 1263 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 8: into that and you know, young talent guys that we 1264 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,960 Speaker 8: can grow with. And you saw last year we drafted 1265 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 8: Nick Nick Gordon, we drafted Princely. You know, both those 1266 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 8: guys were excited about their future and we're just going 1267 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 8: to keep adding, keep building brick by brick, and you know, 1268 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 8: I think at the end of the day then you 1269 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 8: know it'll be where we want it to be. 1270 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,320 Speaker 1: Do you think you'll be talking contract extension with Bryce 1271 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: Young before the fifth year option comes up? 1272 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 8: You know, something that we have to talk about internally 1273 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 8: and figure out. 1274 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 4: You know. 1275 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 8: Right now, you know, we're just happy Bryce as our quarterback. 1276 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 8: We're we're so excited that, you know, the way he's developing, 1277 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 8: not only as a player, but as a as a man. 1278 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 8: You know, he's he's growing up right in front of 1279 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 8: our eyes, and he's getting better every single day, every 1280 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 8: single every single game. So we're excited he's our quarterback 1281 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 8: and you know, contractually that'll figure itself out. 1282 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Appreciate all the time, Dan and another. 1283 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,600 Speaker 5: Gracious your time sitting down with you for a while. 1284 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me one of 1285 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 1: my favorites to watch on the field back in the 1286 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 1: day as well, So you know, keep an eye out 1287 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: that the linebackers appreciate that. Picking up Dan Morgan GM 1288 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: of the Panthers, we are here with head coach of 1289 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, head coach of the NFC South champion 1290 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers for the second straight year, right in this 1291 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 1: spot at the Indianapolis Convention Center. Congratulations on the division ampionship. 1292 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: We were talking about the atmosphere on that day that 1293 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,000 Speaker 1: that Jordan was there in the playoffs. How did it 1294 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 1: feel to kind of bring that type of football energy 1295 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,600 Speaker 1: back to Carolina. 1296 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 9: We're super proud we came in. You know. 1297 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 10: Our goal was, you know, Dan and I talking is like, 1298 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 10: let's build a Let's build a team that this that 1299 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,280 Speaker 10: this fan base can be proud of, you know, and 1300 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 10: it's it's the Carolinas, you know, it's South Carolina, North Carolina. 1301 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,040 Speaker 10: I was in Myrtle Beach last weekend at a seven 1302 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 10: on seven tournament with my son, and you know, just 1303 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 10: the outpouring of excitement, you know, especially in your football environment, 1304 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 10: you know, from parents. That's what I think is unique 1305 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,520 Speaker 10: about what's happening in our community is I'm forty four, 1306 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,040 Speaker 10: and so most of the people that are around my 1307 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:47,120 Speaker 10: age were like prime time like original Panthers fans, nineteen 1308 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,760 Speaker 10: ninety five PSL owners, you know, I remember nineteen ninety five. 1309 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 10: I'm I'm just starting high school. So people my age 1310 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 10: were like right around that time where it's important to them, 1311 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,720 Speaker 10: you know, and so now their kids, our kids are 1312 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 10: all growing up in this and so it's a it's 1313 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 10: a really special time for us. 1314 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Were you more nervous during the fourth quarter of that 1315 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 1: playoff game or watching the seven and seven your son? 1316 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 5: Uh? 1317 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,840 Speaker 9: Definitely the playoff game. 1318 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't know. 1319 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 5: I don't know what kind of a coach parent or 1320 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 5: involved parent are you with the football? I mean, I 1321 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,760 Speaker 5: would feel like the coach would want to try to 1322 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 5: get you involved a little bit, like you. 1323 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Got you got control a little bit when you're coaching 1324 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: if you just watch, well. 1325 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,640 Speaker 10: I just appreciate the people that all these people, this 1326 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 10: is what they do for fun, you know, and they 1327 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 10: have jobs and they you know, haul themselves and a 1328 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,600 Speaker 10: bunch of equipment all around the Carolinas, you know, playing 1329 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 10: these tournaments, and so I just I just appreciate them 1330 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,680 Speaker 10: for the time that they spend with our kids. And uh, 1331 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,960 Speaker 10: however they coach and whatever plays they're calling, it's just 1332 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000 Speaker 10: like this is a good thing. This is time while 1333 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,560 Speaker 10: spent and they're investing in our kids. 1334 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 5: But it's okay if you also make mental notes too, 1335 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 5: just saying but you know, so that the atmosphere was 1336 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,120 Speaker 5: so powerful as you guys as a team like and 1337 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 5: and the community everyone met the moment really well, coming 1338 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 5: in as percepted, underdog and all of that, and then 1339 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,080 Speaker 5: and then really taking it right to the to the 1340 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 5: end there. But that's sort of like a roller coaster 1341 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 5: all season with you guys, and and some of those 1342 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,360 Speaker 5: really high highs emotionally and then some of the frustrating 1343 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 5: losses and and we you know, we've had several of 1344 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 5: your of your friends and co workers on the show. 1345 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,400 Speaker 5: We talked to Brent Tillis, We've we talked to Dan 1346 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,880 Speaker 5: Morgan as well about like, how do you find what's 1347 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,680 Speaker 5: stable and sustainable through all of that joy ride of 1348 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 5: a feeling all around everything. 1349 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, well, it's about belief and starts internally and as 1350 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,480 Speaker 10: we continue to prove to our players that if we 1351 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 10: play a certain style of football, we can play with anybody. 1352 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 10: And that holds true for any of us in the NFL, 1353 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,680 Speaker 10: and we all care about the same thing. We all 1354 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,520 Speaker 10: care about taking care of the ball, creating explosive plays 1355 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 10: or minimizing them, and those critical moments at the end 1356 01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 10: of half are into games and and we're all sick 1357 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,120 Speaker 10: about it, But it's the teams that pay attention to 1358 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 10: it and believe that you can get it done. And 1359 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960 Speaker 10: that's what I saw happen with our group is throughout 1360 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 10: the season, I could feel the belief coming from our 1361 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 10: players and expecting to win on a weekly basis. And 1362 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 10: you know, now it's time to look at the inconsistencies 1363 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,880 Speaker 10: of what happened, you know, and to see if we 1364 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,520 Speaker 10: can really capture that. 1365 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 9: And it happens in practice. 1366 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,920 Speaker 10: It starts when these players come back in April, and 1367 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 10: we have to take every single day. This is the 1368 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,240 Speaker 10: day that could win us that game, this is a 1369 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 10: day that could lose us that game. And can we 1370 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 10: be that urgent about their work with that we do? 1371 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 5: You kind of made a little news today you mentioned 1372 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,040 Speaker 5: that when you're in your press conference at Brad and Sick, 1373 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 5: is it going to be calling plays this year? You know, 1374 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 5: there's been whispers around the league that he was really 1375 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 5: working at this, like working at maybe one day becoming 1376 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 5: someone who could take that mantle on in such a 1377 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,240 Speaker 5: significant way. And it's a personal thing to call plays 1378 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,840 Speaker 5: and it's a powerful thing to be the person that 1379 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 5: does that. So what like, what is it about him 1380 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,640 Speaker 5: that you said, Okay, this is the year that you're 1381 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,960 Speaker 5: gonna do it. What is about you that you said 1382 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,960 Speaker 5: this is the year I'm gonna let this go? And 1383 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,920 Speaker 5: what does a Brad Ezach offense look like? 1384 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: Uh? 1385 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 10: Two things came to mind really with the decision. Is 1386 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,000 Speaker 10: is our ability to continue to push our processes forward offensively. 1387 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 10: And Brad's been my primary architect for what we do 1388 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 10: from an offensive standpoint, tying the run game and the 1389 01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,360 Speaker 10: past game in together. And we've been doing that for 1390 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,400 Speaker 10: three years and and he works at it. You know, 1391 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 10: he's he's such a hard worker, He's dedicated to it. 1392 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,640 Speaker 10: He's principled, and he knows the philosophy of what I want, 1393 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,600 Speaker 10: what we want for our Panthers offense. So felt really 1394 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 10: confident to give him that opportunity to do it. As 1395 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 10: far as readiness goes, you know, I was asked this 1396 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,440 Speaker 10: when I first became a coordinator in Tampa. It's like, 1397 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 10: how do you know that you're ready? It's like, well, 1398 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,320 Speaker 10: I'm as ready as I'm going to be. And I 1399 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,360 Speaker 10: feel that about Brad. You know, this is this is 1400 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,520 Speaker 10: a time to do that. And he's he's the he's 1401 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 10: been the sounding board for me. He's been in my ear, 1402 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,240 Speaker 10: you know, has been calling plays for the last couple 1403 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,680 Speaker 10: of years, and and as we've laid this foundation, I 1404 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 10: believe Brad will take us the next step and we'll 1405 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 10: be able to continue to build off of it because 1406 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,000 Speaker 10: of his report with the players as well. The other 1407 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,120 Speaker 10: side of it was an opportunity for me to continue 1408 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,480 Speaker 10: to affect the culture of what we're doing, the play 1409 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 10: style in general, from offense, defense and special teams, how 1410 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,680 Speaker 10: we do things in the building, a strength and conditioning, 1411 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,760 Speaker 10: athletic training, all of these things, how we treat each other, 1412 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,400 Speaker 10: and what we're after, the possibilities of what we could become. 1413 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,760 Speaker 10: I know that I can affect our culture in a 1414 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,680 Speaker 10: more powerful way by being available that way, whereas you 1415 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,680 Speaker 10: can imagine coming into it all hands on deck. Let's 1416 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,240 Speaker 10: get this offense to a place where we have a foundation. 1417 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,640 Speaker 10: And I believe we have that foundation and now it's 1418 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,960 Speaker 10: time to continue to build off of it. 1419 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: So we talked to Dan Morgan, your GM, and we 1420 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,720 Speaker 1: know that Bryce is going to be your quarterback. Of 1421 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,000 Speaker 1: course in the contract, will you all will figure that out, 1422 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,560 Speaker 1: But I'm curious what you want him to improve on 1423 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,920 Speaker 1: like specifically and in terms of his game, because I 1424 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: feel like he was almost a symbol of your team 1425 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,320 Speaker 1: sometimes at times like the great week were great, And 1426 01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,120 Speaker 1: one thing I think gets misunderstood with him is like, man, 1427 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: if you put just a reel together, like, he is 1428 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: not afraid to put that ball in a tough spot. 1429 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,360 Speaker 1: And his high level throws are as high levels as 1430 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 1: almost anyone. But there were down weeks for him too, 1431 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: And so what do you think he needs to get 1432 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,680 Speaker 1: better onto it to improve those down weeks. 1433 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, just what I'm proud of what he did this 1434 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 10: year is just mastering the operations of what we're doing 1435 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 10: and getting us to the line of scrimmage so he 1436 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,120 Speaker 10: can make great decisions for us. He did an excellent 1437 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,080 Speaker 10: job of that this year, and I want him to 1438 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 10: be able to continue to build off of that, so 1439 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 10: he can make decisions at the line of scrimmage and 1440 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,200 Speaker 10: take advantage of things that he's done throughout the season 1441 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,400 Speaker 10: by whether it's coverage, blitzes, fronts, things to take advantage of. 1442 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,080 Speaker 10: So let's keep building on that part of it. The 1443 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,680 Speaker 10: consistency piece, which is his mantra, that's what he's after, 1444 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 10: will continue to allow him to find that success. We 1445 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:57,440 Speaker 10: want to replicate those special games. While there's different degrees 1446 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 10: of defenses that you face that create different channallenges. I 1447 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,800 Speaker 10: know that's what's out there for us, and so I 1448 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 10: want to continue to grow that way. What he's done 1449 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,640 Speaker 10: a great job of as a leader is, you know, 1450 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 10: as you can imagine, he is the cagey vet. You know, 1451 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,080 Speaker 10: he is the elderly statesman in a room of rookies 1452 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 10: and second year players, you know, and and he embraces that. 1453 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,480 Speaker 10: He embraces that role to come to work with consistency, 1454 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,040 Speaker 10: to grind, to do all those things. So I'm excited 1455 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,880 Speaker 10: for us to get back together in April at some 1456 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,679 Speaker 10: point and to just continue to push that forward. 1457 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 5: Do you know one of the most fun things about 1458 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,680 Speaker 5: watching what you guys did this year. It wasn't for 1459 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 5: me like the highs and then how you recovered from 1460 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,160 Speaker 5: the lows and all of those things, but you guys 1461 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,920 Speaker 5: like really worked out loud, like you problem solved and 1462 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,160 Speaker 5: you could see it on the field what problems you 1463 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,040 Speaker 5: were trying to solve from week to week. And specifically 1464 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 5: want to talk about your passing game and your skill guys, 1465 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,479 Speaker 5: because especially when Jalen came back. Ted McMillan had a 1466 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,360 Speaker 5: great season, as we know, and as when Jalen Koger 1467 01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,400 Speaker 5: came back. You could start to see you and I 1468 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,080 Speaker 5: suppose because you guys are working together on this start 1469 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 5: to build in like some really interesting layers into your 1470 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,280 Speaker 5: passing game where there was depth to it, there was 1471 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 5: math because we're creating more math, I think than previously with. 1472 01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: Some of those matchups. 1473 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 5: What's the next step. Who becomes the third puzzle piece here, 1474 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,719 Speaker 5: whether he's on the roster or maybe you don't know yet, 1475 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 5: And how does that take another step forward to continue 1476 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 5: to build. 1477 01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,240 Speaker 9: Depth to it. Yeah, well, first it's it's time on task. 1478 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,439 Speaker 10: And you know, Jalen Coker had an injury right at 1479 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,240 Speaker 10: the end of training camp and that set him out 1480 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 10: for a little bit of time. So so thankful that 1481 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,840 Speaker 10: David Moore, a guy that I've been with the long time, 1482 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,759 Speaker 10: was able to step into the role for a while 1483 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 10: for a couple of games. But there was a little 1484 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,040 Speaker 10: bit of a rotating, you know, just a rotation in 1485 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 10: the wide receiver room because of who was and wasn't available. 1486 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,479 Speaker 10: We traded Adam Thielen, another guy that I loved and 1487 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 10: so finding that chemistry took all of most of the 1488 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,040 Speaker 10: season to get to a place where we were really operating. 1489 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,400 Speaker 10: They were anticipating each other. 1490 01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:03,720 Speaker 4: You know. 1491 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,639 Speaker 10: I'm excited for Xavier Lyget. I'm excited for the jump 1492 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 10: and the leap that he's going to take this year. 1493 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,719 Speaker 10: Why do I say that it's because of the work 1494 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,960 Speaker 10: he puts into it. I've been a receivers coach. I 1495 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,679 Speaker 10: watch guys work on their craft. The ones who worked 1496 01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,720 Speaker 10: the hardest, it happens for them. And he happens to 1497 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,840 Speaker 10: be six two and a half two thirty and runs 1498 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,240 Speaker 10: four three eight. And all of these things are going 1499 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,280 Speaker 10: to come in the chemistry and the trust that Bryce 1500 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 10: has in him to continue to go to him in 1501 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,559 Speaker 10: critical downs, you know, and with the ups and downs 1502 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,759 Speaker 10: and the inconsistency that's all of us as a whole, 1503 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,639 Speaker 10: like we have to find consistency. But I'm really excited 1504 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,040 Speaker 10: for this group. I'm excited for Jimmy Horn to see 1505 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 10: what he can do to add an explosive element to 1506 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,200 Speaker 10: what we're doing. And Bryce and Tremaine, a guy that 1507 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,280 Speaker 10: played on special teams, did the dirty work, made some 1508 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 10: critical catches for us in different games this is a 1509 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,519 Speaker 10: really good group. Now, it's Dan in mind, it's our 1510 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,360 Speaker 10: job to find players we can add, whether that's free 1511 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,439 Speaker 10: agency or through the raft draft, to challenge that room 1512 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,799 Speaker 10: and to make it a really competitive position. 1513 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, another position that could be in transition. Rico Daddle 1514 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,000 Speaker 1: is a is a free agent for you, do you 1515 01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,840 Speaker 1: expect that he would be back? And what are you 1516 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,919 Speaker 1: kind of looking for in that room specific? 1517 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 10: Those are all things that we're talking about right now. 1518 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,120 Speaker 10: But it goes to that same room. You know, you 1519 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,400 Speaker 10: think about Jonathan Brooks coming back, Trevor Youten and what 1520 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,640 Speaker 10: an amazing player he was in college and did a 1521 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,559 Speaker 10: couple of things for us in the run game, and 1522 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 10: I'm excited to see where he goes with it. But 1523 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 10: that's definitely a position that we can also challenge. And uh, 1524 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,840 Speaker 10: we're going to give the ball to the angriest, most 1525 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,120 Speaker 10: explosive guy, and uh, that person could be on our roster, 1526 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,120 Speaker 10: it could be out there, and we're going to take 1527 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,440 Speaker 10: all those things considering. 1528 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Your anger, you know, like, if it's going to be 1529 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: the angriest, how are you calculating anger? 1530 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,040 Speaker 10: It's just there's a violence to it. There's a there's 1531 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,559 Speaker 10: a way that the ball is supposed to be run 1532 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,479 Speaker 10: and that's what we're looking for. 1533 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,599 Speaker 5: Or take like an average Wednesday interacting with me, Greg, 1534 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,479 Speaker 5: and that's how you measure anger. 1535 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,479 Speaker 3: Sometimes as well. 1536 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,000 Speaker 1: I'd like I'd like to go through the whole how 1537 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,879 Speaker 1: about one. You know, you went through all the offensive 1538 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,599 Speaker 1: players before we let you go one one maybe defensive 1539 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,519 Speaker 1: younger player on the roster that you know, we have 1540 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,240 Speaker 1: an audience that, let's watches the whole league, so maybe 1541 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: maybe someone that they're not as familiar with that you're 1542 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,160 Speaker 1: excited to maybe see grow in your defense in the 1543 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:15,719 Speaker 1: coming years. 1544 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 9: Well, Nick s. 1545 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,280 Speaker 10: Gorton did a great job this year and was our 1546 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:25,120 Speaker 10: second round pick. Consistent, hard working, talented, huge, just a 1547 01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,040 Speaker 10: really powerful player and I'm excited to see him continue 1548 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:32,760 Speaker 10: to expand his his tool belt. Trevin Wallace. We got 1549 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,360 Speaker 10: to get Trevin healthy. He's big and he's fast, and 1550 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,479 Speaker 10: you know he's been a stud just playing through different 1551 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 10: things and managing that part of it. But I'm excited 1552 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,920 Speaker 10: to see Trevin get back out there. A guy that 1553 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,599 Speaker 10: probably doesn't get mentioned is Corey Thornton. He was he played, 1554 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,320 Speaker 10: he actually moved into the starting lineup and was injured 1555 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 10: pretty quickly after that. But a guy that can play 1556 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,960 Speaker 10: multiple positions. He can play outside corner, he can play nickel, 1557 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,679 Speaker 10: and he's also played safety for US. A really versatile 1558 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,559 Speaker 10: player long and a really savvy football player. I'm excited 1559 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,880 Speaker 10: to see where he goes. And uh, probably the last 1560 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,760 Speaker 10: one I'll mention is Ben Martin Scott. Uh, you know, 1561 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,719 Speaker 10: contributed to special teams, but he's a rocket. He plays 1562 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,599 Speaker 10: with the right play style and you know, really excited 1563 01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 10: to see his development as an inside linebacker. If you can, 1564 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,320 Speaker 10: you know, give something to us. 1565 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I love this. You're doing homeworks for me for our 1566 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: season previews. 1567 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,000 Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you too. That's cool that you bring 1568 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 5: up Corey because one of the top things I heard 1569 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,599 Speaker 5: out of any camp was how excited your defensive guys 1570 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,880 Speaker 5: were out of training camp this last year about Corey. 1571 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Appreciate Dave Canalis 1572 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 1: joining us for a second straight year. You know, I'm 1573 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,600 Speaker 1: not saying we were the cause of it, but a 1574 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,200 Speaker 1: nice bump up last year. And so this is what 1575 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: my Wednesdays are. It can happen again that we talked 1576 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,680 Speaker 1: again next year and we're talking. 1577 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,360 Speaker 4: About even more wins. 1578 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,439 Speaker 10: Absolutely. I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious. So 1579 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,559 Speaker 10: you know, this is a good this is a good return. 1580 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:54,519 Speaker 10: Let's do it again next year. 1581 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,479 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you, Dave Canal. Thanks great to talk to 1582 01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,679 Speaker 1: Dave Canalis and Dan Morgan was watching the combine coverage 1583 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,839 Speaker 1: and Canalis gave a very similar answer to Rich Eisen 1584 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,439 Speaker 1: and Daniel Jeremiah about the responsibility that Bryce Young has 1585 01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: taken at the line of scrimmage. How that's how he's 1586 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,519 Speaker 1: gonna win. It's kind of from the neck up. So 1587 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,599 Speaker 1: you know, I was gonna say, get your information first 1588 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,040 Speaker 1: from us, because we got it literally first, but the 1589 01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,960 Speaker 1: show wasn't up, so that's a bad job by us, 1590 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,479 Speaker 1: I guess great interviews. Appreciate that. Nick, thank you for 1591 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:32,040 Speaker 1: hanging out. And I did want to note that as 1592 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,840 Speaker 1: of Thursday night, if it wasn't already over, you're not 1593 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,439 Speaker 1: allowed to say frame mogged ever again, not that you 1594 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,679 Speaker 1: were in the first place. Frame mogged is done? 1595 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,559 Speaker 3: What about maxing? Can I still use maxing with looks maxine? 1596 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 1: Now? Nothing at that's gone? 1597 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Okay, good because I didn't use any of that and 1598 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,640 Speaker 2: I thought it was just unnecessary. But we can all 1599 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 2: thank Kyle Hamilton for that, because he got frame mogged 1600 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,519 Speaker 2: during the NFL Combine by none other than Sunny Styles 1601 01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,800 Speaker 2: and a comparison on the screen. 1602 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's just because I'm sensitive. I'm I'm 1603 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,439 Speaker 1: like a walking and getting frame mogged. I mean, anytime 1604 01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,639 Speaker 1: I've ever been on the show with you shook, certainly. 1605 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,400 Speaker 1: But yes, for for those who you know, weren't watching 1606 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: the program, Kyle Hamilton noted when they did the side 1607 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:18,519 Speaker 1: by side, you know, heightweight, speed, and they compared Kyle Hamilton, 1608 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,800 Speaker 1: who you would you would think would be, you know, 1609 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,640 Speaker 1: even faster than these these built behemoth at linebacker Sonny Styles. No, 1610 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: even though Sunny Styles was so much bigger and stronger, 1611 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,800 Speaker 1: he was even faster than than Kyle Hamilton, who's who's 1612 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 1: plenty of speedy. And yeah, he sent he sent a 1613 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,720 Speaker 1: tweet out to NFL Network and Rich Eisen that he 1614 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 1: was getting frame mogged, and then the NFL social used 1615 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,400 Speaker 1: the word frame mogged. And actually I was really happy 1616 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 1: because when that happened, that's when I knew it was over. 1617 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,000 Speaker 2: Yes, as soon as corporate America adopts any term, it 1618 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,320 Speaker 2: all ends very quickly. 1619 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:56,799 Speaker 3: It's like when it's like when. 1620 01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,559 Speaker 2: Swag became like a very big thing or yolo, like 1621 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,160 Speaker 2: back ten to fifteen years ago and everyone was getting 1622 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,600 Speaker 2: their swag bags and everyone was saying yolo, and it 1623 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:05,599 Speaker 2: was dead from then too. 1624 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,240 Speaker 3: It went the way of vine unfortunately. 1625 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,040 Speaker 1: So we'll see. I mean, I yeah, it wasn't a 1626 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,439 Speaker 1: fan anyways. I am a fan of all the work 1627 01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: that you're going to be doing. Check out Nick Chuck's 1628 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,479 Speaker 1: All Combine Team. Now it comes out throughout the weekend. 1629 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,000 Speaker 3: Right now, it comes out after the weekend. 1630 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,559 Speaker 1: It'll be like, okay, because you were writing, you were 1631 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: writing today, you're getting that work done. You're going to 1632 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: do that as well throughout the weekend, and then the 1633 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,639 Speaker 1: big All Combine piece will come out at the very 1634 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,479 Speaker 1: end of it all and you're going to join the show. 1635 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:42,400 Speaker 1: Our next show will be on Sunday evening, so keep 1636 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,280 Speaker 1: an eye out for that. Thank you to Eric Roberts 1637 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:52,200 Speaker 1: for hanging out at what's probably a quiet Inglewood right now. 1638 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,360 Speaker 1: In terms of NFL media, it's going to be busy 1639 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,360 Speaker 1: though in Indianapolis. Have fun, Nick, and we'll be watching 1640 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, the offensive lineman, running backs, all of it. 1641 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,439 Speaker 1: Over the weekend. We'll see a Sunday out 1642 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:07,240 Speaker 7: MHM