WEBVTT - 8. Comeuppance & Other Uppance 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.840 Gampsy Media Large. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.040 Okay, Rory, we have reached literally the final stretch. I 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.240 can see the finish line and that little man waving 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.240 the checkered flag. This is your final recap what happened 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:27.880 last week. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.040 Last week we got to find out the sentencing of 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.599 all these guilty people, Mike and Steve and David and 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:36.640 Michelle and Kelly. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:37.080 Yeah. 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:38.400 I think it was kind of interesting to get to 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.760 know where everybody ended up in what their sentencing was, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.960 and also how they kind of reacted and felt about it. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.280 And I have to say, true to form of everybody 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.159 who we've heard, they all seem to kind of be 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.240 okay with it. They definitely went through a hard time, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.680 and maybe these interviews are so far after getting released 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.279 from prison that they're a little more optimistic, But they 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.240 all just kind of seemed to be like, Yeah, I 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.560 went to jail and it was like this, as opposed 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.840 to deeply devastated by it. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.520 I feel like I would not have that react. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.920 I would not at all. I would be changed forever, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:12.279 probably for the worst. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:12.840 I don't know. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.760 They do all seem to have come out with better perspective. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.480 Agreed, it's a lesson for all of us. Yeah, And 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:20.679 on that note, I'm proud to hand it off to 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.720 Johnny knox Hill one more time for the finale of 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:28.080 Crimeless Hillbilly Heis Episode eight, Let's Go. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.119 By February of nineteen ninety nine, David and the rest 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.840 of the heist crew are all locked away in prison, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.320 but the government is still working on vacuuming up all 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.960 the scattered money in all of its forms. So the 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.600 fans hold an auction at the Metrolena Expo Center in Charlotte, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.240 North Carolina to sell off all of Steven Michelle's crazy 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.160 purchases and give the money back to Loomis Fargo and 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.480 its insurance company. Because no one needs a cash infusion 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:08.440 more than a giant corporation and its insurance company, the 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.919 public comes and droves to get their chance in owning 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.639 a piece of sweet contraband. They're joined by local reporters 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.960 and TV crews from the national networks. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.160 The federal government held an auction in Charlotte, North Carolina. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.800 Some of the items purchased with the stolen money. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.200 Some are here just to see what seventeen million dollars 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:26.680 can buy. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.520 They're looking for a steal. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.640 Even People Magazine is in attendance, and of course a 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.760 social event in the Charlotte area would not be complete 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.800 without the Mayor of Cramerton, Kathy with the Sea, and 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.680 their best friend and neighbor. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.920 Kathy with a k Here's Kathy with the Sea. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.440 It was a very festive, upbeat party type setting and 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.200 his concession foods sold and everybody spent the day just 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.600 watching everything get get auctioned off. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.520 But the Kathys weren't here just to spectate. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.800 They wanted their own piece of the true luxury, the 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.640 kind that could only be picked by the discerning eyes 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.280 of Steve and Michelle Chambers. This was a chance to 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.560 own a piece of Gaston County history. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.160 There was a very large six or seven foot tall 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.040 wooden Indian. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:18.680 There were tanning. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:25.320 Beds, luxury vehicles, furniture. Everybody wanted to get a little 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.480 piece of the story to have to remind them of it. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.120 And Kathy with the Case's husband wanted more than just 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.280 a piece of history. He was a victim too and 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:40.600 was at the auction to demand his own restitution. You see, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:41.400 the FBI had. 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.840 A sneaking suspicion that the Chambers had more stolen cash 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.200 buried somewhere on their property, probably a fair gas. So 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.520 they borrowed Kathy with the Case's husband's trusty shovel to 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.280 dig around for the loop, and despite the FBI's status 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.480 as upstanding citizens, they never gave it back. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:02.960 So when he knew that there was going to be 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.720 a you know, auction, He's like, I'm going to go 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:06.960 and get my shovel back. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.360 But sadly, Kathy with the case husband was undone. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.440 By his own pride, Bobby wasn't gonna bit on it. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.200 Yeah, he didn't. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.400 He thought they should give it back to him, the FBI, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.000 but they they wouldn't, so I don't know how much 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:23.640 they got for. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.680 It, but the Kathy's refused to go home empty handed. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.920 I bought a sideboard table that is in my fourrier. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:34.320 I got a platter. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.640 Oh that's right, I didn't buy a platter. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.839 Michelle's BMW went for less than market value, but a 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.800 bona fide Steve Chambers money storage barrel made of the 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.719 finest blue plastic, with all of the cash and dog 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.320 food cleaned out of it, went for more than one 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:57.720 thousand bucks. The FEDS had already sold off Stephen Michelle's mansion, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.520 but not before removing the and prize of the auction, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:10.480 the Peace Day Resistance. That's right, the velvet Elvis painting. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.800 It's sold to the owner of a pawnshop for sixteen 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.760 hundred dollars. Sixteen hundred dollars really, and so the bounty 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.280 of the heist was dispersed among the people of Gaston 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.480 County and the nation. But the legend of the heist 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:39.960 was just beginning from SmartLess media, campsite media, and big 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.520 money players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. I'm Johnny Knoxville, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.239 and you're listening to Crime List. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:55.600 Bill Billy Heist. This is our eighth and final episode. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.320 Come up and other reference. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.040 There's a saying David Gant used to hear growing up 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.000 in Gaston County. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.920 Sometimes you have to put legs on your prayers. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.000 Putting legs on your prayers means sometimes you have to 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.800 do the dirty work on behalf of the angels. Like 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.520 let's say you're a security guard with a dead end 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.840 job and a failing marriage and what you really need 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.560 is a new start in life. Well, you do what 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.279 you got to do and hope that the ends justify 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.719 the means, or if it goes poorly, your prayer legs 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.880 might wind up pacing around a jail cell. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.520 I'm a dreamer, and I don't think there's anything wrong 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:40.840 with that. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.080 But what happens when you get out of jail in 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.400 your thirties and still have a bunch of dreams in 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.000 your head but also have a criminal record, not to 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.560 mention a national reputation, is someone liable to get massive 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.880 revenge on any employer who screws you over. David's not 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.400 starting from zero, He's starting from way less than zero 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:06.640 if you count the four million dollars in restitution eos. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.000 David's winning combo of likability and good behavior saw him 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.040 released on parole after serving just over five years of 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.480 a seven and a half year sentence. After growing up 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.160 in North Carolina and going on to commit the crime 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.880 of the Century in North Carolina and serving his entire 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.520 sentence in a federal prison in North Carolina, David knew 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:31.960 he needed a change of scenery. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.800 Too many memories, too many codefendants, too many questions from 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:50.960 nosy people. I wanted to start over clean, start fresh. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.320 And what better way to start fresh than to limit 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.960 your time on the Earth's surface as much as possible. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:57.360 And I had this bizarre notion becoming a professional scuba diver. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.400 It's crazy, not real off on. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.760 Out, But there was a school for that in Jacksonville, Florida. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.000 So that's where David wound up. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:13.320 It's hot, it's humid. Every puddle of water you encounter 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.280 probably has a reptile of some sort in it. You 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.560 get used to the summers, you know, it grows on you, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.560 and after a while it becomes very, very normal. You 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.640 don't notice the heat as bad, and you get used 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:28.880 to it. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.720 Life after prison is difficult in all kinds of ways, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.359 some of them surprising. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.120 One of the unique things about being in prison you 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.640 become what you call buggy. I would hoard salt and 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:51.600 pepper packets, and I would have stashes of stuff hidden 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.240 in my room. One of the things I found myself 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:59.400 doing was doing an early morning count. I would just 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.880 be up the prescribed time, stand beside my bed like 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.280 a moron, and one day it slapped me in the face. 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.920 Why am I still doing prison crap? 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.600 Tammy was out of the picture by this point. She 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.199 divorced David while he was in prison, which even he understands. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.480 But David got back to rebuilding his life. He managed 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.640 to find a job running a bulldozer for a construction company. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.680 Steady work with steady hours. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.720 Not the kind of pascal he'd hoped for when he 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.440 was in his twenties and trying to live up to 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.040 his parents, but it was a real career, just like 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:39.320 his dad had. And then the biggest piece of the 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.839 puzzle came into place. He fell in love and got 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:44.480 married to a woman named Christy. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:53.480 She helped me break the being buggy cycle. She started 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.959 teaching me about technology, and you know, like the good 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.800 mother that she is, she kind of took me by 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:04.840 my hands said, listen, that's how computers kind of work. Now, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:10.000 this is what's changed, and we've just been together ever since. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.880 The budget for The American Dream was considerably tighter than 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.920 he had hoped, but he kept going for it. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.920 I've got a dollar named Belatricks, and you know she's 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.199 my heart. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.080 If you like me, assumed that David must be a 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.360 Harry Potter fan, you like me, would be wrong. That's 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.640 not where he got Bellatrix. She's named after the third 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.400 brightest star in the Orion constellation, which was named six 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.160 centuries before your favorite movie franchise came about so there. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.200 For the most part, David was glad to have his 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:45.800 old life. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.240 In the rear view, I remember getting a letter from 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:53.679 Kelly in prison, and what did she say. This is 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.720 where my memory gets a little screw because it's not 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.920 to me, it's not an important event. I think she 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:05.520 found Jesus and she apologized, and I don't mean her 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:11.560 any harm, but I don't. I didn't care then, and 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.480 if you had been my real friend, you never need 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.800 to apologize. I don't hate her. I don't hate any 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.480 of them, you know, but I think there's a part 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.400 of me that I'll always kind of hold a grudge 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.120 that their first thought was this dude's got to die. 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:38.360 And I can't help but contact that personally. Well, if 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.600 I'm wrong in comment. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:45.920 Below, I gotta say, David, I don't blame you. But then, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:51.800 almost fifteen years after the heist, Hollywood came calling. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.760 So this guy calls me up, says we want to 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.000 make a movie about your story. I tell him to 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:03.000 f off. I hang up on him. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.000 But instead of affing off the Hollywood big wigs persist, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.800 David talks with the director, the guy who directed Napoleon 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.400 Dynamite and Nacho Lebra and suddenly the whole thing starts 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:14.760 to feel more and more real. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.480 He's like, Zach Galifanakis wants to meet you, would you 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.440 mind flying out here for Los Angeles. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.679 Zach Galafanakis ended up playing David in the comedy movie 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.880 called Masterminds, which garnered an all star comedy cast including 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.360 Owen Wilson, Kristen Wig, Jason Sedakis, and Kate McKinnon, and 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.600 was released in the summer of twenty sixteen in theaters 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:42.600 across the globe. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.360 This is a tough shelf disguise. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.160 I look like if Jesus and Cat had a baby, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.960 which is a nice thought too, you know. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.360 And David's daughter got to go on set and be 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.040 treated like a jillionaire heiress. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:59.360 And the catering people. I had a special Beltrick's shelf 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.840 with me and cheese and her little snacks. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.760 David got paid to consult on the movie and was 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.680 fine with the idea of them turning his life story 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:10.640 into slapstick. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.280 And then next thing you know, I'm in La from 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.440 the Chinese Theater in Hollywood at a premiere on the 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:26.120 red carpet with true famous people's movie stars, and I 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:31.560 got to meet all kinds of people, you know, big 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.080 people up from the movie business, and just it's kind 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:36.960 of overwhelming. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.800 David's even got new celebrity friends. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.160 I still stay in touch with Zach. I'm kind of 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.920 hit and miss. But one of his favorite things to 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.400 do is if he's traveling in an armored car drives 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:58.000 by him, he'll think of me and he'll usually send 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.360 me a text or a picture. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.000 Kelly said goodbye to Camp Cupcake in two thousand and four, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.200 having served just over five years. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.960 When I was getting ready to leave prison, there was 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.000 one of the guards said, you'll be back. They all 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.000 come back. I said, I'll tell you right now, I'll 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.200 never be back. Oh, they all come back. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.680 But Kelly was determined not to come back. Instead, she 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.640 returned to her home in Gaston County. It looked a 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.000 lot different than when she left before she was arrested. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.960 She put in new wood paneling a way to upgrade 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.120 the house that was more discreet than say, buying a mansion. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.560 But once the FBI got inside, they found the new 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:49.960 wall suspicious. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.120 They had ripped the paneling off the walls because they 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.480 thought maybe I was hiding money in the walls of 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.080 the trailer. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:58.480 Thanks guys. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.600 Anyway, Kelly had found the lord and kicked the devil's 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.360 let us while she was in prison. Now she was 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:06.840 ready to get on with her life. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:11.680 I didn't let the millions of dollar restitution hang over 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.360 my head and fred over that for the rest of 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.840 my life. I just kind of got on with my life. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.880 My kids didn't hold anything against me, which was fantastic. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.479 Tried to rebuild relationships with them. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:27.040 Well. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.640 Kelly was locked up, her mother and her husband Spanky, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.000 worked to take care of her kids. After she got out. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.680 She tried to make the marriage work, but it just didn't. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.320 She ended up getting divorced. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.920 Me and my first husband didn't make it, but I 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:47.200 found love somewhere else, and we were doing pretty good. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:53.440 We've got five grandkids and we were running a business, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.400 our own business, and thanks for going good. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.360 Kelly and her husband run a wealthy and construction business, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.720 which pays the bills and avoids a kind of relationship 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.200 with your job that makes you want to rob the place. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.320 If you're working from somebody else, you're never going to 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.040 get anywhere. You're just going to stay writing the rut 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.080 that you're in, and the only person getting rich and 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.600 getting better is the person you're working for. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.800 Running your own business does keep Kelly close to her 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:28.480 one remaining vice. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.120 Well, I still love money and I'll take all I 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.160 can get. I do my husband sometimes I'm like, why 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.120 are you paying so and so to do that? I 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.080 can do that. You know I'm greedy. He's like, I 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.400 know you're greedy. 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.760 But don't worry. She's got her cravings in check. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:53.120 I mean, I wouldn't rob a bank again. But yeah, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.840 I mean, I do love money, but I love my 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.200 kids more and my grandkids more. But I can have 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.040 more fun with them with more money. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.960 Kelly didn't participate in the movie about her story. She 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.399 was played by Kristin Wig. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.960 Two lovers on the Lamb in Mexico. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.560 You know they say, the beach is there. They're life 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:19.040 like powdered sugar. Just rub each other all day with 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.040 coconut juices. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.040 Instead, she and her husband just waited for it to 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.440 come out and watched it at the drive in, which 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.000 apparently still exist. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.080 They didn't portray me as stupidly as they portrayed the 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.760 other characters in it, so I wasn't really displeased. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.880 You might think a Christian ex bank robber would run 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.840 into a lot of judgment. But most people Kelly meets 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:45.680 are actually cool. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.720 It was either like you're my hero or I can't 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.320 believe I'm meeting you. Will you sign my autograph? 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.280 And life is A famous grandmother has its perks. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.760 That's what my oldest granddaughter says. Her friend's say, well, 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:02.960 bet your grandma so cool, I'd like to meet her. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.280 I did call a radio station one time because they 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.239 were looking for famous people. I can't remember what it 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.840 was all about now, I don't know why, but I 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:18.119 called him. I said, what about infamous people? They didn't 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.840 take my call and put it on the radio. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.080 Other than the occasional run in with her fan base, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.520 Kelly doesn't think about the heist much anymore, although having 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.359 stuck around North Carolina, she has had a couple of 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.440 chance encounters over the years. Steve's still around, and he's 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.120 apparently traded being a wanna be mafia kingpin into shopping 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:45.840 for bargains. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.960 I ran into him in a dollar tree, him and 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.160 his mom one day after I'd got out. We talked briefly, 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.880 not much, and I've not ran into him since then. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:18:59.960 As for Michelle, once I. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.119 Ran into her in a grocery store one time. But 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.239 I don't think she's seen me, because when I seen her, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.840 I went the other way. It's like, what do you 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.720 even say to each other? So I'd rather just not 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:13.080 talk to her. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.880 As I said in the first episode, Steve and Michelle 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.240 declined to speak to us, but we know that they divorced, 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.760 and we know that Steve got really into lifting weights 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.560 in prison and now owns his own gym. As for 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.920 Michelle Chambers, like all good x cons looking to turn 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.040 over a new leaf, she's living under an alias, so 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.960 it was no mean feat to track her down. Sources 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.560 say that she's quietly living the country life as a 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:48.440 goat farmer. Mike mckinnie's feelings on Steve have mellowed over 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:49.080 the decades. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:50.680 I personally just. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.280 Thought he was a piece of trash for what he did, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.920 for coughing up people that weren't caught yet. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.639 Maybe not, but he and Steve got out of prison 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.600 about the same time and went their separate ways, Steve 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.760 back to North Carolina and Mike back to Illinois. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.080 I'm just really glad we we live so far apart 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.360 where we'd go, had no chance of us running into 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:14.760 each other. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.720 Mike's experience in prison was decidedly different from Camp Cupcake. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.280 He had trouble trying to figure out how to cross 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.840 the street when he got out. It had been nearly 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.080 a decade since he had to navigate traffic, and he 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.480 wasn't used to getting to go outside whenever he felt 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:31.680 like it. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.240 It just feels weird whenever you're actually at your house 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.479 that I can actually go outside my front door anytime 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:39.840 I want to. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:40.919 Just sit on my porch. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.880 Yet life on the outside wasn't necessarily easier. 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.520 You still have to grind whether you're locked up or 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:53.560 out here. It just you have different priorities. Inside. You're 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.960 more worried about your physical safety. Out here it's a 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.560 bigger grind because then you have a more stress actually 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:08.000 finances and such like that. Putting everything back together is 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.080 still an ongoing process. 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.280 Mike mckennie's a lot of things, X con ex marine 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.160 hit man, but also a family man. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.439 But the biggest regret is while you're locked up. My 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.040 big one was kids grown up without me. I basically 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.320 just stayed in touch with my kids as much as 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.240 I could write them once a week, maybe get to 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:34.160 call them once a week. 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.159 He didn't see his kids for four years after he 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.080 went to prison, and didn't see them regularly for nine 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.560 years while he still had his hands on the money 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.600 before he got himself locked up. Life wasn't all pham parties, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.680 hookers and murder plots. He also did a family vacation. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.720 The most enjoyable thing I spent any of the money 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.600 on was actually taking my daughters to the Bahamas for vacation. 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.879 They had one hell of a law Christmas together. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.840 I actually hired a stretch Limo to drive up from Evansville, 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.480 picked me and my daughters and I think one or 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.520 two of my buddies up and we drove down to 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:18.520 the mall that's when they still had actually malls, and 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.800 I let them pick out whatever they wanted for Christmas. 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.440 And then we actually picked up a ferret along the way. 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.000 Not just any ferret, a high class ferret. 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:31.640 And I think it is probably the first and only 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.120 time a ferret ever ridden in next trench Limo. 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.040 Today is kids call them pops and cherish them with pride. 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.480 Mike is also played by a super famous movie star. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.000 Jason Sadaka's played me. 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.000 All I can say is at least at least they 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.240 got somebody close to my size. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.240 Actually, Mike likes Jason Sadakas. It's just that his portrayal 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.200 of Mike is a bit sinister. 0:22:58.720 --> 0:22:59.720 That's where I've take his life. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:00.359 I like to take it. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:10.160 That ain't your life no more. It's my life, my life. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.400 And if you're wondering who the lovable family man hero 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.879 of this story is, there's only one answer. Unfortunately, according 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:20.680 to Mike, Hollywood got it wrong. 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.120 Well, first thing they were off on was how Gant 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:26.280 was the hero of the movie. 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.080 That was the first thing he got wrong. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.800 Mike was apparently more comfortable with his depiction in Jeff 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.280