Speaker 1: I watched the video the other day and it was
Speaker 1: pre election decision where he goes, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: try to stay out of politics. Oh J don't really
Speaker 1: do politics. That ain't really my thing. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, whoever is elected the president has to commit
Speaker 1: to being the president. And we were like, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like, oh, Jay, that's not the issue. At Neither
Speaker 1: one of them is like I don't want the job.
Speaker 1: You can't just be halfway in, halfway up. You have
Speaker 1: been because being a running back. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: about the Dallas count chips in your racists money stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me. Yep, there it is there, It
Speaker 1: is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another
Speaker 1: phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where
Speaker 1: we died deep, deep into the world of black conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories and we finally worked to prove that Clarence Thomas
Speaker 1: put his pubs on every can of Coca cola. Anita
Speaker 1: Hill was just the first person to notice the man
Speaker 1: loved pubes on coke. The fact that she caught one
Speaker 1: that was just on you, Anita. You shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: looking down and coke. It's it's just facts. These are
Speaker 1: the facts, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host, Lenkston Kerman.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. As always, we have a
Speaker 1: phenomenal show for you. My guest today, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: that he's here. He's so funny. You guys know him
Speaker 1: from his Patreon backslash Shawn Distant on Patreon. I'm giving
Speaker 1: his name away before I've even introduced the men. He
Speaker 1: also as an amazing, hilarious podcast that I love very much.
Speaker 1: It's called We Have to Stop Talking to Him and
Speaker 1: t on C B B. It's hilarious. It talks about
Speaker 1: the Ninja Turtles. I'm a big fan. Give it up
Speaker 1: for my guests, Mr Shawn This then everybody, Langston Langston Lanks.
Speaker 1: I am so excited to be here. I am so
Speaker 1: excited to talk about what we're gonna talk about because
Speaker 1: you are. You were like, what do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about on the podcast? And I was kind of like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to blank a little bit. And when you
Speaker 1: sort of offered up this topic, I realized how much
Speaker 1: this was a part of my life. I just I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to talk about it. This is the energy
Speaker 1: that I love because because your topic, I think, is
Speaker 1: one that certainly people have uh. It's been in the lexicon,
Speaker 1: the American uh conversation for a long time. But I
Speaker 1: don't think people ever get tired of it. It's never
Speaker 1: gonna get old. Trial of the century, Trial of the century,
Speaker 1: they said, you said, and I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we get this right for our listeners, so everybody
Speaker 1: feels comfortable and landed in all of this. But you said,
Speaker 1: my mama told me, oh, j didn't kill those people. Now,
Speaker 1: I do not want to attribute Bob to that because
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifically what her take was. I do
Speaker 1: remember everybody kind of being very happy and chill about it,
Speaker 1: like no one was dead. I mean, I know, if
Speaker 1: you remember, like I was in middle school at the time,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, when the verdict came down, like
Speaker 1: what you heard was true, there was a straight up
Speaker 1: Pavlovian response that all white people were just like what
Speaker 1: the and every was like it was like we finally
Speaker 1: got away with one. Like even if you thought you
Speaker 1: were like we can beat the city to every once
Speaker 1: in a while, which was its own win, it was
Speaker 1: a very same I think, And it's a yes, you're
Speaker 1: making some wonderful points that I totally agree with. One
Speaker 1: of the things that always or has bugged me about
Speaker 1: some of the portrayals and like the documentary and like
Speaker 1: the television show is that it's a bunch of black
Speaker 1: people being like, yes, finally go o JC. And that
Speaker 1: wasn't as much the vibe at least in my house
Speaker 1: where it was like I ain't shine on. It was
Speaker 1: like it was like, okay, it wasn't really celebrating like
Speaker 1: I think they definitely and remind I'm reminding you like
Speaker 1: we were in middle school, so everyone was really dumb
Speaker 1: and we were like little kids responding to like we
Speaker 1: didn't even really know how to respond, you know. But
Speaker 1: I don't remember adults being like I don't remember my dad.
Speaker 1: He could be up from school and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: got away, but like a big day ice cream or
Speaker 1: some ship. It wasn't like that at all. But it
Speaker 1: was a year time and I don't remember my family
Speaker 1: ever really wanting to say he did it, but I
Speaker 1: can't really even remember because the O J trial, specifically
Speaker 1: for me, was more intent. Like first of all, you know,
Speaker 1: I was in middle school. You just had like was
Speaker 1: something you followed when you were a kid. But then
Speaker 1: in high school, I went to this magnet high school
Speaker 1: in Florida called Coral Reef Senior High School. It's a
Speaker 1: very strange, stupid name, um, but every other high school
Speaker 1: named themselves after like a famous person. We were like Reef.
Speaker 1: I guess, like we don't have to like ask anyone
Speaker 1: for permission, um. But it was a magnet school. So
Speaker 1: I went into criminal justice the Magnet and because of that,
Speaker 1: like I had a couple of electives that were basically
Speaker 1: just like training you to be either a cop or
Speaker 1: a lawyer. But in the first couple of years you
Speaker 1: just took these general classes. And in one of the classes,
Speaker 1: one of the assignments was we watched the entire O
Speaker 1: J trial. Wow, over a series of months, we watched
Speaker 1: that had to take a long time, long time, and
Speaker 1: we watched I think we might have skipped some parts
Speaker 1: of it, but we watched like months worth of this
Speaker 1: trial and did different assignments on every part about it
Speaker 1: and just talked about procedure and talked about all this ship.
Speaker 1: But like we were also like watching it like it
Speaker 1: was a TV show in class, and we were like
Speaker 1: taking sides and like some of us started to be like, Yo,
Speaker 1: Johnny Cocher is right, like I, where do I stand
Speaker 1: on this conspiracy? That? That was the question that I
Speaker 1: was building. Where do I love that? You're You're getting
Speaker 1: right to it. Where do you stand now? How are
Speaker 1: you feeling about O J's innocence in relation to specifically murder.
Speaker 1: There's a complicated answer to that. Do I believe he
Speaker 1: should have been uh not guilty after that trial? Yes?
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with the outcome of the trial. If
Speaker 1: you watch it, you kind of are seeing lawyers pick
Speaker 1: apart a prosecution in a way they weren't ready for.
Speaker 1: You see the ineptitude of the L A p. D.
Speaker 1: Is he innocent? I do not think so. I think
Speaker 1: he is a part of it. And I think the
Speaker 1: biggest conspiracy that I do believe is and I even
Speaker 1: put up the zoom background here for I think Jason
Speaker 1: did it. Jason Simpson's sun from his first marriage. And
Speaker 1: when you dig into that conspiracy and then you and
Speaker 1: then having also watched the trial and seeing how like,
Speaker 1: if O J walked into this house and killed two people,
Speaker 1: the physical evidence should be overwhelming. Yeah, but they could
Speaker 1: barely prove it, and they had some very circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 1: and it really clouds the j angle. But then when
Speaker 1: you hear some of the like really outstanding circumstantial evidence
Speaker 1: for Jason, You're just like, give me more physical evidence.
Speaker 1: I want them to test against, Like I want all
Speaker 1: of it, you know. I will say that the Jason
Speaker 1: Simpson journey of it All, or or theory of it all,
Speaker 1: is one that like when I first heard it, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, this just seems like somebody reaching.
Speaker 1: And then you really unpack everything that they have on Jason,
Speaker 1: or at least potentially on Jason, and if nothing else
Speaker 1: to your point, it makes you have to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we don't know for sure that o J did this.
Speaker 1: And let me just say this too, because I've I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of like, you know, I'm like a
Speaker 1: comedy performer, so I've done like a lot of o J.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of like playing around in this
Speaker 1: space comedically, and I want to just say, like I
Speaker 1: even stopped doing the character after a while because I
Speaker 1: was like, man, two people were murdered here. This is
Speaker 1: kind of fun up to be dancing around and like
Speaker 1: being o J and having fun with it. But so
Speaker 1: just even just disclaimer, like it was a horrific crime,
Speaker 1: and I do think that, like it is a shame
Speaker 1: that it is not solved and there isn't justice for
Speaker 1: the Goldman family and the Brown family. Like yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some fucked up ship there. But ultimately, I think Jason
Speaker 1: probably did it. I think O J probably try to
Speaker 1: help him cover it up. Hence the drops in the bronco.
Speaker 1: It's the tiny bits of evidence that you can tie
Speaker 1: O J two and some of his peculiar behavior, including
Speaker 1: the bronco with a C with with you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. That's where I'm sort of landed
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm like, that doesn't make him not guilty.
Speaker 1: You know, well, number one, you got to a very
Speaker 1: important thing that this was. In fact, it's not. It
Speaker 1: ain't that funny, but it's still a comedy podcast. And
Speaker 1: so we'll figure out a way to make this a okay.
Speaker 1: But I will say that I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever had the pleasure, And I used that in a
Speaker 1: very loose way because I similarly thought like for a while,
Speaker 1: like I'll have some fun in this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But I my wife and I listened to uh if
Speaker 1: I did It. We we like downloaded the audio book
Speaker 1: of If I Did It, the O j Uh Semi Confessional,
Speaker 1: and one of the things I thought, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be hilarious. This is just gonna be a dumb man
Speaker 1: making a bunch of missteps as a writer. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't realize is that because the family
Speaker 1: only won a civil case and lost the criminal case,
Speaker 1: they were never actually really paid. Right O j claimed broke.
Speaker 1: He couldn't pay them for basically what he was, you know,
Speaker 1: oh what he was meant to owe them in court,
Speaker 1: And the only way that they could actually get the
Speaker 1: money back was to buy the rights or or basically
Speaker 1: retained the rights of the book. And with that, there's
Speaker 1: a one our prelude when you listen to the book
Speaker 1: of just like Ron Goldman's sister basically crying on the
Speaker 1: microphone saying how this book not only has ruined their
Speaker 1: life in that it's the only way that they can
Speaker 1: collect money, but then number two, everybody shames them for
Speaker 1: having the rights to the book and basically trying to
Speaker 1: make money off the death of their son. That is
Speaker 1: so crazy, that is I mean, look, that is so sad,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's funny though, to be
Speaker 1: cursed by like this book that is selling like and
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't I didn't listen to the book,
Speaker 1: but from what I can gather or from what I've heard,
Speaker 1: he like describes a whole night that like where it happens.
Speaker 1: Then he's like, this is what would have happened or whatever,
Speaker 1: And doesn't he do like a TV interview where he
Speaker 1: also talks a lot about it. He does. He at
Speaker 1: a an interview with Solidad O'Brien where he basically sat
Speaker 1: down with her and and did a live reading. It's
Speaker 1: not a reading, but a live sort of like acting
Speaker 1: out of the book and in it, he basically creates
Speaker 1: this character named Charlie Barley right, who he claims is
Speaker 1: this person who he doesn't know very well and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have much of a relationship with. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: anything about Charlie, but Charlie is the one that basically
Speaker 1: commits the crime, and o J is sort of his assistant,
Speaker 1: if you will, throughout this process, I mean, look, that's
Speaker 1: more to me. That is more evidence of this Jason
Speaker 1: like it could because I honestly believe that the only
Speaker 1: person that O J. Would cover for or would like
Speaker 1: act that way after the trial is either himself or
Speaker 1: a close family member, like it would just have to be.
Speaker 1: He has proven himself in every facet of his life
Speaker 1: to be a complete, like megalomaniac type person. But he's
Speaker 1: not necessarily somebody that we're seeing being shitty to his kids,
Speaker 1: at least in a direct way other than allowing his
Speaker 1: ex wife to get murdered and leave them without a mother.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing we should all like, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if people know that Jason evidence, like, we
Speaker 1: should go through and we're gonna unpack. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get there. We're gonna get into the research. Let's stay
Speaker 1: in the emotional truth theater. We'll get into Jason. Jason
Speaker 1: is not going missed, Okay, Okay, Well then look and
Speaker 1: then the other parts of it that are I think
Speaker 1: almost not disputed at this point is the conspiracy of
Speaker 1: the l a p D. Like, regardless of OJ's guilt
Speaker 1: on the murder, you know, regardless of his involvement, the
Speaker 1: l a p D did some very shady ship. I've
Speaker 1: been watching. Uh, I don't know if you want watch
Speaker 1: it at all. I watched a ship ton of unsolved
Speaker 1: mysteries and uh it's you know Netflix. Yeah, there's brand
Speaker 1: new ones out there. Second season on Netflix, and almost
Speaker 1: every single episode the major thing that you walk away
Speaker 1: with is the police are bad at their jobs. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they're bad at their jobs because they're racist. Sometimes they're
Speaker 1: bad at their jobs because they don't do good detective work.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're bad at their job because they do great
Speaker 1: detective work and then just lose evidence. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: because it kind of sounds like we should just maybe
Speaker 1: defund the I don't know, like, why are we giving
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, John, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you're taking things too far. I don't want to tell you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. That's out about what could we
Speaker 1: possibly do without the police they've kept the money and
Speaker 1: not give to the police. It's always a fascinating journey
Speaker 1: when you start to look at the work that the
Speaker 1: police are doing that basically is working against whatever they're
Speaker 1: trying to prove. And I think to your point, the
Speaker 1: O j A trial is a perfect example of that.
Speaker 1: A police just not only being like fumbly idiots, but
Speaker 1: also intentionally violent against, you know, the person that they're
Speaker 1: essentially trying to prove guilty. I am from Miami, Florida,
Speaker 1: so like I have been around cops, Like you know,
Speaker 1: they show cops, remember that, Like they would shoot tons
Speaker 1: of episodes in like neighborhoods that I was just hanging
Speaker 1: out in. Like it was a very heavy cop and
Speaker 1: you got sucked with by the cops all the time,
Speaker 1: and you start to realize that, like they're driven by numbers,
Speaker 1: which is a really fucked up thing, but like they
Speaker 1: want to close cases, they want to put people in jail,
Speaker 1: like it is to their benefit to make someone guilty.
Speaker 1: So they'll plant drugs on somebody. They'll do and in
Speaker 1: their and they're not doing it to an innocent person, right,
Speaker 1: Like I think they think O. J did it, but
Speaker 1: they were like, we got to actually make this a
Speaker 1: slam dunk. And I think that's the violence, right, is
Speaker 1: that like the reality of our system isn't there. They
Speaker 1: they're unable to remove their own bias from this, and
Speaker 1: so like ultimately, you're just asking a bunch of people
Speaker 1: who have a very hard form of opinion about a
Speaker 1: person or about a crime to like be neutral on
Speaker 1: some ship and they can't. Peoplefuckers aren't skilled in that way,
Speaker 1: and then not to mention the ferment, the mark ferment
Speaker 1: of it all in this trial. Like I think if
Speaker 1: people don't know about this trial, I do think watching
Speaker 1: that show, the People versus O. J. Simpson does a
Speaker 1: really good job of at least laying out a lot
Speaker 1: of the evidence that is true that you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I do not think that that could be true, Like
Speaker 1: the fact that he had these tapes where he was
Speaker 1: talking about framing black people, like it it's so oh crazy,
Speaker 1: Like but even crazier is a police department who then
Speaker 1: still puts this person on the biggest case of the century.
Speaker 1: It's insane, Like there's there's got to be a level
Speaker 1: of accountability on their end where they're like, a, he's racist,
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna put it, We're not gonna put
Speaker 1: him in charge. But there's a murder of a white
Speaker 1: woman send old racist Mark Bourbon. I mean he must
Speaker 1: have been like closest in the area, Like who knows
Speaker 1: what it was, but like to me, the deadlock on oh,
Speaker 1: it must have been O. J. By whether it is
Speaker 1: racist or whether it is just them looking at what
Speaker 1: the least common denominator is like what the easiest answer is, Oh,
Speaker 1: she has an abusive husband. He is there, Oh he's
Speaker 1: like he was in Chicago. Like what is all this behavior?
Speaker 1: Like very easy to be like, Yo, o J did it?
Speaker 1: Why are we putting any effort into anyone else? And
Speaker 1: I think you're also tapping into a really important point
Speaker 1: here that that is worth noting for our listeners is
Speaker 1: that I don't think and I'm certainly not hearing it
Speaker 1: on your end, neither of us is defending the quality
Speaker 1: of o J as a human being. I don't think
Speaker 1: that like trash like part of the bad man. What's
Speaker 1: really fucked up is so again, I'm from Miami, and
Speaker 1: directly after the trial, his family lived in Miami, like
Speaker 1: they lived in the area, and his kids were notorious,
Speaker 1: notorious little bad kids like not like Jason might have
Speaker 1: been older and like wasn't a part of it, but
Speaker 1: like the kids who were like in the private schools
Speaker 1: and ship like they were probably like the rumors were
Speaker 1: they were like selling illegal cable boxes and they were
Speaker 1: like selling drugs because they didn't have money because like
Speaker 1: their dad was broke, you know, like out of evil
Speaker 1: ship going on, and then like you know, O J.
Speaker 1: Had that really fucked up incident where he like assaulted
Speaker 1: the guy in a car in Miami and pulled his
Speaker 1: glass off, Like I think o J. And to that end,
Speaker 1: like when you watch documentaries about him, you're like, yes,
Speaker 1: I do think he probably had ct E, has c
Speaker 1: t E, and probably like has rage issues and probably
Speaker 1: is abusive. And maybe that's where Jason learned it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And that this isn't this is
Speaker 1: a at best, this is a learned behavior that he
Speaker 1: adopted from a very mean man with a very unhealthy
Speaker 1: relationship with his ex wife. He's probably seen his o J.
Speaker 1: Simpson be fucked up with multiple women throughout his childhood.
Speaker 1: He has his own like mental ship that he's dealing with.
Speaker 1: I do think that, like o J is guilty of
Speaker 1: this murder. Did he commit the murder? I don't quite know,
Speaker 1: And I'm I leaned towards no. Yeah, one of the
Speaker 1: things I remember as a kid, And maybe you remember
Speaker 1: this and you were you were in Florida, so it
Speaker 1: probably was like much more of a conversation for you all.
Speaker 1: But like immediately after the trial was like one of
Speaker 1: the first videos they showed of o J was him
Speaker 1: like golfing in Florida, and they had he had like
Speaker 1: a new young white girl that he was like dating
Speaker 1: who looked a lot like Nicole, And the news was
Speaker 1: making all kinds of big deals about it. And I
Speaker 1: remember specifically that the people, the women, especially in my life,
Speaker 1: that was the point where they were like, na, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker did it. I will say that there is an
Speaker 1: element in the black community of like, that's what happens
Speaker 1: to your data white Like I think there was a
Speaker 1: bit of that where it was like he's gonna that
Speaker 1: is not a healthy dynamic, Like no, it's interesting because
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like I don't want to say
Speaker 1: that like that has any thing to do with it,
Speaker 1: but like he has this strange ownership issue. He had
Speaker 1: this weird like o J wanted to be white. Like
Speaker 1: he was a person who was like I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about race, I don't want to talk about politics.
Speaker 1: So like there's a strange there's a weirdness there and
Speaker 1: and and like a weird self hate there. And I think,
Speaker 1: if I may, I think part of it is not
Speaker 1: just wanting to be white, but wanting to be powerful
Speaker 1: out in the world and equating whiteness with power. So
Speaker 1: for him, it's like what is the most powerful person
Speaker 1: a white man? I will elevate myself to whatever that is.
Speaker 1: He should have just he should have just sent me
Speaker 1: so sid. He should have just like skin, get some
Speaker 1: blue contact, have just lightened his skin. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you have to go through all this bullshit. I
Speaker 1: would love that if O. J would have lightened his skin,
Speaker 1: and then we would have not been talking about it
Speaker 1: would have been fine. He would like he probably didn't
Speaker 1: do it, Like he still would have loved if he
Speaker 1: lightened his skin and still tried to steal his memorabilia back.
Speaker 1: I want I want him to still go to jail.
Speaker 1: Is another thing, another conspiracy. That is another conspiracy, because
Speaker 1: there is the conspiracy that that was a setup to
Speaker 1: put him in jail, because he should be in jail,
Speaker 1: like it was like a retaliation for what he did,
Speaker 1: and there was like it was almost like a sting
Speaker 1: operation to just like get him arrested. So right that
Speaker 1: justice was justice quote unquote was not originally served. But
Speaker 1: we'll get him for this much more minor crime and
Speaker 1: turn it into what ultimately looked like a murder. Level
Speaker 1: of prisons and punishment like it was crazy, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the chapters in this man's life. There's so many,
Speaker 1: like even just talking about like the Miami years, Like
Speaker 1: there's the Miami years before and after the civil trial,
Speaker 1: like there's a whole there is like this before the
Speaker 1: civil trial where like o J was like I'm he
Speaker 1: was like the came he was like the king of Miami.
Speaker 1: Like it was very funny when he showed up, because
Speaker 1: it was just like, yeah, o J the most famous
Speaker 1: person in the world because I got off with this
Speaker 1: murder and I'm now going to join a golf club.
Speaker 1: I've I've long said this and and it's it's problematic
Speaker 1: at best, but o J is by far the funniest
Speaker 1: murderer of all time. If you watch his Twitter right now,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if he knows how funny it is,
Speaker 1: but that's yeah, I think he has no clue, which
Speaker 1: is what makes it so wild his Twitter. His Twitter
Speaker 1: is just like al right, well, now I want to
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on with the Dallas Cowboys now
Speaker 1: as a football player, like he would just talk for
Speaker 1: like four minutes about one specific is alright, now, o
Speaker 1: J fans, now this election is really crazy, but we
Speaker 1: have to come together, all right now, o J Allen,
Speaker 1: It's like, what the funk are you doing? Oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We'll be back with more Shawn
Speaker 1: this than then more, my mama told me. And we
Speaker 1: are back. How is my man supposed to sch meet
Speaker 1: his meat with this ship? Bro? What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We're back here with more Shawn this, then more, my
Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about o J. If
Speaker 1: he did it, why he did it, and who else
Speaker 1: might have done it in this terrible, terrible murder of
Speaker 1: Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. This will be a
Speaker 1: fun way into the research. But one of the we
Speaker 1: were talking about how silly o J is and one
Speaker 1: of the things that he talks about it and if
Speaker 1: I did it is how much of a karate expert
Speaker 1: Ron Goldman is? Yeah, I don't know, he says. Ron
Speaker 1: Goldman immediately goes into karate fighting, and uh, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It's funny to hilarious. I've read somewhere that
Speaker 1: he was a second degree black belt, third degree third
Speaker 1: degree and he like did try. There are bruise marks
Speaker 1: and stuff like, there is evidence of him fighting back
Speaker 1: so it's interesting that O J would add that detail.
Speaker 1: He's like and then he jumped into Jim Coado where
Speaker 1: he was he did a backup. I love that o J.
Speaker 1: O J, despite the brain damage, is still very familiar
Speaker 1: with the different karate styles. He was doing cheap kudo,
Speaker 1: which was something that my sense i said, I'm not
Speaker 1: properly trained to fight against that, and so O J
Speaker 1: was nervous. Uh. So let's jump into some of this research.
Speaker 1: You brought it up earlier, and I think it it
Speaker 1: is the most sort of like outstanding put sentual other
Speaker 1: story that might exist for who murdered Nicole Brown, Simpson
Speaker 1: and Ron Goldman, but Jason Simpson, aged twenty four at
Speaker 1: the time, is the prime other suspect that was never
Speaker 1: actually looked into for the murder trial. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you know. So I know a bit about this just
Speaker 1: from internet research, Like there isn't much out there other
Speaker 1: than that there's a book written by this guy that
Speaker 1: I've not read, and it is like O J. Simpson
Speaker 1: is innocent and I can prove it or something like Yeah,
Speaker 1: William C. Dear Uh is this guy who basically writes
Speaker 1: an entire book basically saying that o J is innocent
Speaker 1: and I can prove it where he explores all the
Speaker 1: reasoning and logic for Jason being the actual murder. But
Speaker 1: I do again think that that is a flawed title
Speaker 1: because he says o J is innocent. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's like. I do think he is probably an accessory.
Speaker 1: He's probably at the very least was on the at
Speaker 1: the crime scene. So yeah, stuff I know about Jason.
Speaker 1: I know that he had a diagnosed rage disorder, that's right,
Speaker 1: And it was something that I guess has been described
Speaker 1: colloquially as Dr Jekyll or Jekyll and Hyde disorder or something.
Speaker 1: That's right. So it's called intermittent rage disorder, which I
Speaker 1: had never heard of, and yes, colloquially it's Jekyll and
Speaker 1: Hyde syndrome UM. And he was given a drug called
Speaker 1: d pat Cote to control his rage and seizures. Apparently
Speaker 1: it's so intense that he can go into seizures from
Speaker 1: it UM and that drug that he was taking he
Speaker 1: stopped taking two months before the murders took place. So
Speaker 1: also in that two month period, he was on probation
Speaker 1: or something for threatening his boss with a knife. And
Speaker 1: now he was a chef, so he was a chef
Speaker 1: proficient in knives. He had a knives set, and he
Speaker 1: threatened his boss with a knife in the past. He
Speaker 1: stabbed himself in front of his girlfriend in an episode
Speaker 1: he threatened another person like. He has multiple verified on
Speaker 1: the record instances where he threatened people with knives. Yes,
Speaker 1: and not only threatened his girlfriend, he nearly killed her
Speaker 1: with it, like, was fully attempting to stab her to
Speaker 1: death with a knife and seriously injured other people with
Speaker 1: knives in the past. So he is not unfamiliar with knives,
Speaker 1: and even more so, a former roommate or a classmate
Speaker 1: rather of Jason said that he was actually trained in
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat as well as field knife training
Speaker 1: when he attended the Army and Navy Academy. So this
Speaker 1: is a motherfucker that knows. I mean, it's crazy. That's
Speaker 1: what's so crazy about the incompetence here is that, like,
Speaker 1: if any of this is true, which you know, I've
Speaker 1: only done internet research, so it's like one am I
Speaker 1: verifying really just seems like it's rated a bunch, and
Speaker 1: it's in this book. The fact that the police didn't
Speaker 1: even like do a cursory investigation, the fact that we
Speaker 1: don't all know this person's name as a suspect before.
Speaker 1: It's it's insane. The other thing, the other things you
Speaker 1: find out are there was a hat found at the scene, yes,
Speaker 1: with blood and hair I believe hair from a dog
Speaker 1: as well. And oh J didn't wear hats, But there's
Speaker 1: a picture of Jason Simpson with a black hat of
Speaker 1: the same style with a dog on his bed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not only is it that they find the hat, but
Speaker 1: they find hair in the hat that yes, belongs to
Speaker 1: a dog, but then also belongs to someone who isn't
Speaker 1: o J. Yeah, and they there are multiple pictures, not
Speaker 1: just one but I know the exact one you're referring to,
Speaker 1: But there are multiple pictures of Jason Simpson wearing a
Speaker 1: similar style, had a bunch of different colors right hanging
Speaker 1: out in the hat like an indoor settings. This motherfucker
Speaker 1: loved that. So it's crazy. And another part of it
Speaker 1: is like I think that like they found tons of fingerprints,
Speaker 1: they found tons of physical evidence that did not match
Speaker 1: O J. Sucking the DNA under Nicole's fingernails did not
Speaker 1: match O J. I believe we ultimately were like, oh
Speaker 1: it was forensic mistakes or whatever. I think, like that's
Speaker 1: they end up saying in a bunch of stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's like it just didn't match, and it could very
Speaker 1: well have been you know, Jason's. It very well could
Speaker 1: have been his Bruno, Molly's very well could have been
Speaker 1: his very welcome been all of it, Yes, And to
Speaker 1: your point, the charlie of it all the the charlie
Speaker 1: that O J. Refers to in his book and in
Speaker 1: the interview is often a tree did or rather connected
Speaker 1: to be him protecting his son by giving him a
Speaker 1: sort of like pseudonym instead of just calling him. I
Speaker 1: didn't really know the guy, I raised him for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, but my favorite. But so it's also like,
Speaker 1: so he was from a previous marriage, and there are
Speaker 1: rumors that he had this weird relationship with Nicole that
Speaker 1: was like a weird obsessive relationship. And apparently on the
Speaker 1: night he was supposed to come to the restaurant he
Speaker 1: worked at, but ended up not going to that restaurant
Speaker 1: and going to a different one, I guess the one
Speaker 1: that yes, so Nicole was was apparently and some allegedly
Speaker 1: scheduled to come and eat at the restaurant where where
Speaker 1: Jason was working. Despite having threatened his boss with a knife,
Speaker 1: he was still working at that restaurant or at least
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and she didn't show up. She went to
Speaker 1: the restaurant or where on Goldman was working, and thus Jason,
Speaker 1: in theory, went into a fit of rage that drove
Speaker 1: him to go to her house. And so part of
Speaker 1: the the argument that people have about the fact that
Speaker 1: Jason might be the killer is that the murders took
Speaker 1: place between nine pm and ten oh five pm, and
Speaker 1: after nine fifty pm. Jason has no alibi that can
Speaker 1: support where he was during the period of the killing.
Speaker 1: Apparently Lydon said he was with his girlfriend, but he
Speaker 1: had to change that story. And he had a time
Speaker 1: card at the job he worked at that was like automated,
Speaker 1: but that night he wrote in the time kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: the time clock is working. Everybody else punches in their
Speaker 1: time uh, you know, through the machine, but Jason hand
Speaker 1: writes his uh. And he also puts a little note
Speaker 1: where he's like, I'm about to go kill a bit
Speaker 1: and he was like and and specifically my that like
Speaker 1: it is all this evidence. And then there was apparently
Speaker 1: some other evidence that like there was a knife that
Speaker 1: they found in a locker that like actually matched better
Speaker 1: with the knives that they tried to say O j used.
Speaker 1: But I'm I feel like if they found that knife,
Speaker 1: we this dude would be in jail. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if I believe that one. And Okay, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're saying this, because this is the hard part about
Speaker 1: all of this evidence is that it's mostly coming from
Speaker 1: a one dude in his book, um, and it kind
Speaker 1: of makes it this complicated thing of how legitimate we
Speaker 1: can we can believe this person to be. And so
Speaker 1: then yes, to your point, they find a knife in
Speaker 1: a locker in a basically like a storage locker that
Speaker 1: Jason had that not only matches the description and size
Speaker 1: of the knife that was apparently used on the colon Ron,
Speaker 1: but on top of that has a number of like
Speaker 1: dent marks and sort of scratches on it that seems
Speaker 1: similar or to the dnt marks that were put on
Speaker 1: the Colt's head when he was using it, like the
Speaker 1: blunt side of the knife to like hit her. That's insane,
Speaker 1: but again it's one if they had it's a dude
Speaker 1: who's trying to sell a book. So it's like hard
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, he's not the only one to
Speaker 1: come out with this theory, and I know that, Like
Speaker 1: there are other pieces of evidence that I do feel
Speaker 1: like you could probably verify. Like I know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that like o J immediately hired
Speaker 1: a lawyer for his son after YEA, so he hires
Speaker 1: like literally the next day, high o J hires a
Speaker 1: pretty famous criminal attorney, Carl Jones, to represent Jason, even
Speaker 1: though his son was never a suspect in the crime.
Speaker 1: Ie that the l A p D was never Like, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's weird. We don't have to talk to him. But
Speaker 1: but to me, it's like if they if this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna put that in the book, I feel like
Speaker 1: this lawyer would immediately dispeat that if that weren't true,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there are parts of
Speaker 1: it where you're like, Okay, he's making some claims that
Speaker 1: are pretty large. Also another really interesting piece, Like so
Speaker 1: I put up this zoom background and I'm I've been
Speaker 1: sort of obsessed with the moment my entire life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that reading of the verdict. I used to have this
Speaker 1: podcast back in New York that I used to do it.
Speaker 1: I used to weirdly just like play part of it,
Speaker 1: like as a drop, like now we're being a little
Speaker 1: more clear about why you felt bad. You are being
Speaker 1: a real sick oh about it? Well, not honestly, not
Speaker 1: even the not guilty part. I just love the like
Speaker 1: whole the tension that is built in that woman's voice
Speaker 1: when she starts saying everything and then a little stumble
Speaker 1: that she has those are my favorite. She mispronounces orienthal
Speaker 1: and that that's kind of fun And this is a
Speaker 1: big moment for her, and she's she's she's just trying
Speaker 1: to show up. But I think that that moment is
Speaker 1: especially because of the phenomenon of this whole thing being
Speaker 1: on camera. I think it's one of the most interesting
Speaker 1: pieces of video of all time because you get O
Speaker 1: J's reaction, which is so puzzling because you you don't
Speaker 1: know what his headspace is. You really don't know if
Speaker 1: he did it or not. At the time, he almost
Speaker 1: seems like he doesn't understand what they said. I it's
Speaker 1: so puzzling, Like he has the most puzzling reaction and
Speaker 1: then his little smile comes out like it's fascinating. Then
Speaker 1: they cut too. Oh. But even in that same shot,
Speaker 1: you see Cochrane a person being like I just won
Speaker 1: the most unwinnable Kate, like I cannot believe I won that.
Speaker 1: You're watching a person who is like Cochrane is like
Speaker 1: Jordan's like fever Game, like he's like he's like feeling
Speaker 1: like the rush of energy of I didn't really have
Speaker 1: much at stake here other than the biggest win of
Speaker 1: my life. And he was like, And then you kind
Speaker 1: of are also seeing Darden and Marshall Clark's disappointment. Then
Speaker 1: you start going into the gallery where you see Goldman
Speaker 1: family just like Catas like really really and it's really
Speaker 1: it's just such an interesting study of reactions, this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But then you go to the Simpson family and his
Speaker 1: daughters are weeping and his son has the strangest reaction,
Speaker 1: like he does He's like mad stone face. It is
Speaker 1: so strange. He doesn't give anything for a while. He
Speaker 1: just kind of sits there while everyone around him is
Speaker 1: either weeping in joy or celebrating each other. He just
Speaker 1: kind of sits there as they reach around him to
Speaker 1: high five each other, and it is so bustling. And
Speaker 1: then you know the Goldman family is just audibly. They're
Speaker 1: now the loudest thing in the courtroom. And then you
Speaker 1: cut to him again and his hands are in his
Speaker 1: He's now just completely crying, and in the context of
Speaker 1: everything we know or think, it just seems like a
Speaker 1: person who's like, Wow, I put my family through so
Speaker 1: much shit. I am the one who should really be
Speaker 1: up there. I feel guilty about this. I it's if you,
Speaker 1: if you can watch this reaction, it is I don't
Speaker 1: know what to make of it. It's it's not uh,
Speaker 1: it's not what I would have suspected my reaction would
Speaker 1: have been. It's not relief a person with yes it
Speaker 1: the relief doesn't seem to exist, and the only real
Speaker 1: outward reaction seems to come more at the cries from
Speaker 1: the family, the other family even more than his own family,
Speaker 1: and salvation and whatever whatever or whatever. I can't so
Speaker 1: I not only is this a crazy conspiracy, but just
Speaker 1: from a story perspective, it is so fascinating because it's
Speaker 1: this shitty person covering for his maybe unwell sun h.
Speaker 1: But in a way O J is like, I didn't
Speaker 1: do it, so I should get off. And that's like
Speaker 1: the part of O Ja's reaction is that he's expecting
Speaker 1: to get up like, I don't know. It's such a
Speaker 1: complicated video that it's so good. Yeah, and it's It's
Speaker 1: also one of those things where it's like, even if
Speaker 1: O J didn't do it, that the type of smile
Speaker 1: that you see out of him feels almost too celebratory.
Speaker 1: Very way, it's all very weird. There's a few more
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that I'd love to dig into. One
Speaker 1: of the things that they point to along with his
Speaker 1: his disorder is that in terms of his mental health
Speaker 1: at least, is that Jason apparently abused alcohol, ecstasy, and
Speaker 1: cocaine beginning at the age of fourteen, and police reports
Speaker 1: indicate that he was arrested at least four times, including
Speaker 1: a d u I, driving with a suspended license, and
Speaker 1: assault with a deadly weapon, while medical records reveal at
Speaker 1: least three suicide attempts. They were side to your point,
Speaker 1: this wasn't necessarily a person in their their most healthy
Speaker 1: mental state from the beginning of all of this going
Speaker 1: through a medication change, which which is maybe something that
Speaker 1: could be verifiable as well, but it all is so
Speaker 1: once the story plays out in the way that if
Speaker 1: justice were served. Ultimately, this person is in a facility
Speaker 1: that is trying to help him, you know, and likes
Speaker 1: not this completely fucked up monster, Like his life is
Speaker 1: completely sucked up and well maybe it should have been
Speaker 1: because he was a piece of ship, but like they
Speaker 1: had divorced and they weren't together, you know, And I
Speaker 1: don't think there have there's been any other God, I
Speaker 1: don't even know, but I think the fascinating alternate reality.
Speaker 1: I think the the the justice that would have been
Speaker 1: that should have been deserved, should have come along the
Speaker 1: times where he was being a domestic abuser, where he
Speaker 1: was like being a scumbag, and all over the ways
Speaker 1: that he was a scumbag, and not necessarily for the
Speaker 1: thing that ultimately we know him best for, which is murder.
Speaker 1: Well that is also the big part of it is
Speaker 1: the celebrity of this is a huge piece to the
Speaker 1: story because he had this weird privilege in l a
Speaker 1: that like a lot of people didn't, And it's just
Speaker 1: funny that that magnet of celebrity also was what made
Speaker 1: them want to pin it on him, and also is
Speaker 1: the thing that probably shaded any investigation into his son,
Speaker 1: Like if this was just some any dude off the
Speaker 1: street the sun would have been the prime suspect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you check all the pieces, but instead it's o J.
Speaker 1: And we've decided it's gonna be o J. And therefore
Speaker 1: we are only going to investigate ways to make O
Speaker 1: J the prime suspect. Okay, here's the last piece of
Speaker 1: evidence that I'll throw at you that I thought was.
Speaker 1: I had never heard this, but I think is hugely fascinating.
Speaker 1: Apparently Jason used to write these uh notes, these little
Speaker 1: like diary notes to himself that he titled Dear Jason,
Speaker 1: and in it, UH, there's all kinds of mentions of
Speaker 1: like his rage and sort of like uh. At certain points,
Speaker 1: he writes about being three people, and handwriting experts have
Speaker 1: basically connected this back to Jason Simpson, although it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily definitive that Jason Simpson was the one that wrote this,
Speaker 1: but in it, one of the most important sections, he says,
Speaker 1: It's the year of the knife for me. I cut
Speaker 1: away my problems with a knife. Anybody touches my friends,
Speaker 1: I will kill them. I'm also tired of being Dr
Speaker 1: Jekyl and bist hide. Yeah, I mean that is so crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am very very saddened by then. And
Speaker 1: also one of the things I heard is that like
Speaker 1: he's nowhere to be found now, like people don't know
Speaker 1: where he is. Yeah, he like, uh, there are some
Speaker 1: account I kept trying to figure it out, and there
Speaker 1: are some accounts that say he's like living a quote
Speaker 1: unquote quiet life in Atlanta, still working at like restaurants.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how verifiable that is. I think
Speaker 1: most people are kind of like, yeah, he just disappeared
Speaker 1: and nobody really knows what where Jason Simpson. If he
Speaker 1: changed his name, he's going by Charlie now. He's like
Speaker 1: just I know, I would love it if this family
Speaker 1: is so dumb that they just collectively are like, all right,
Speaker 1: what if O J writing a book? You Charlie? Now, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm Charlie. I mean, look, here's the thing
Speaker 1: that is because the worst part about all of this,
Speaker 1: and I think the underlying conspiracy theory that like I
Speaker 1: will always believe and like I feel like my family
Speaker 1: is always going to believe, is that like the cops
Speaker 1: are dirty as fun, Like they're dirty and bad, like
Speaker 1: and they let me stop you right there. That's how
Speaker 1: they get you get that ultimately is the the entire
Speaker 1: point of all of this. O. J. Simpson very well
Speaker 1: could be the murderer that we suspect he was, but
Speaker 1: the cops did such a poor job in this process
Speaker 1: that you could not definitively prove he's a murderer, and therefore,
Speaker 1: unfortunately is should be allow to go free after this trial.
Speaker 1: I am a person who I used to love conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: like I would be talking to you about any bullshit,
Speaker 1: like any bad one, any good one, Like I really
Speaker 1: do like conspiracies, but as I've gotten older, I've seen
Speaker 1: that like they can be somewhat harmful and some of
Speaker 1: them are kind of dumb. But the one that I
Speaker 1: will always believe, I will always just be like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: is any conspiracy involving the police? And that I've always
Speaker 1: I've been. I was a huge fan of this really
Speaker 1: downer person. I will say, the whole story is a
Speaker 1: very much downer, but he was an incredible human. This
Speaker 1: guy Michael Rupert. Have you ever heard of him? Michael Ruper.
Speaker 1: If you're a conspiracy podcast guy, you gotta know about
Speaker 1: Michael Ruper. He was the cop who basically exposed the
Speaker 1: CIA for approaching him to sell drugs and inner and
Speaker 1: he's in Los Angeles. There's videos of him. There's videos
Speaker 1: of him like confronting members of the CIA and open hearings.
Speaker 1: He he has this incredible story. Like if you guys
Speaker 1: want to watch an incredible YouTube video, look at Michael Rupert.
Speaker 1: C I A. UM, he's like a young cop being
Speaker 1: like I was approached by blank blank blank. I have
Speaker 1: these clearances because he's like naming names and he's he
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't know if he names them there, but
Speaker 1: he's like, please contact me. We need to talk about this.
Speaker 1: The guys like, let's talk about it. He exposed the
Speaker 1: police in selling drugs and the CIA around contract like
Speaker 1: all of that ship is Michael. Like go to Michael
Speaker 1: Rupert and look up that old ship. And in his
Speaker 1: later years, because of his like sort of whistleblower attitude,
Speaker 1: he sort of had to move around the world a
Speaker 1: bunch because he started exposing. He's a big person that
Speaker 1: talked about like peak oil. He's talked about like the
Speaker 1: collapse of the banks. He he kind of predicted two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight before it happened. It's a documentary called
Speaker 1: Collapse where he basically sits in a chair. It's a
Speaker 1: documentary of the Manson's in a chair chain smoke cigarettes
Speaker 1: and talks about how peak oil is gonna suck us up.
Speaker 1: And it is really really good. But because of the
Speaker 1: CIA thing, and I remember learning this a long time ago,
Speaker 1: especially after that cares one fucking uh well whatever, there's
Speaker 1: a whole song about with cares One where they're talking
Speaker 1: about the c I as selling drugs in the inner city.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is Yeah, when you look it up,
Speaker 1: it's this guy. So anything about the police, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe it. Yeah, I think, I think exactly
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. There so much evidence and so much
Speaker 1: history of the police intentionally doing funk ship to black, brown,
Speaker 1: impoverished people, and sometimes just because that's part of what
Speaker 1: they're trained to do. It isn't even just like a
Speaker 1: personal vindetta. It's like this is like part of the
Speaker 1: system that we were built on. Yeah, it's fascinating, and
Speaker 1: I think like from hearing that when I was young
Speaker 1: and hearing ship now like yeah, all the police unions
Speaker 1: are run by the mob and all this, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all this, it's all a criminal organization and all
Speaker 1: this ship. I will believe any police conspiracy because they
Speaker 1: all end up being cutting true. Like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we can both agree for the police. Damn, I guess
Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying. All Right, We're gonna take
Speaker 1: one more break. We'll be back with more Shawn Diston
Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me. And we are back.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut
Speaker 1: America's meet. That's all that. Yeah, we're back here more
Speaker 1: of my mama told me. We're still talking about this
Speaker 1: conspiracy that Jason Simpson is in fact a real murderer
Speaker 1: and the police are the real pieces of this ship
Speaker 1: in this whole uh scenario. I have a fun game
Speaker 1: that I would love to play with you right now.
Speaker 1: This game, it's a brand new game that I'm calling
Speaker 1: if they did it with us, don't you know where us?
Speaker 1: We'll kill you. We'll kill you if they did it
Speaker 1: is the name of this game, and it's a very
Speaker 1: simple game. All I'm gonna do is introduced to you
Speaker 1: a few uh alternative theories, theories that I had never
Speaker 1: heard before in my life about what potentially could have
Speaker 1: happened uh during this murder and what I would love
Speaker 1: for you to do is just unpack them. You're a
Speaker 1: man who loves, or at least used to love conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories when you were more irresponsible, So just unpack them.
Speaker 1: Let's let's hear your thoughts on some of these conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Great my first one and this one, uh is very
Speaker 1: interesting to me on a number of levels. But one
Speaker 1: of the things that they point to is that apparently
Speaker 1: Nicole Brown Simpson had a drug problem, that she was
Speaker 1: in some ways in debt to a number of drug dealers,
Speaker 1: and that the murder of her and Ron Goldman was
Speaker 1: a hit for money that she owed on her. I
Speaker 1: guess cocaine purchase of this, I don't know. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a very common This was a theory that was
Speaker 1: up and around when the trial was going on, like
Speaker 1: it was a drug thing. It was a drug thing.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is kind of one of
Speaker 1: those theories that gets thrown around, like after a lot
Speaker 1: of murder, Like I even feel like after the Manson murders,
Speaker 1: people like this was a drug thing. Like, actually, if
Speaker 1: you go in I think it was too sloppy to
Speaker 1: be a drug hit. Why are you going in there
Speaker 1: with one knife are you going in there? Like I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's too sloppy. Yeah, I agree, there's
Speaker 1: something weird about like if this is in fact, like
Speaker 1: this major cartel, like trying to seek vengeance, you don't
Speaker 1: send one dude who can get beat up by a
Speaker 1: man named Ron Gold. I don't think so. And I
Speaker 1: also think like the part of I think what gave
Speaker 1: that conspiracy some credence I think, at least in Florida
Speaker 1: was that there were rumors that the kids were now
Speaker 1: selling drugs after the trial, Like so it was just
Speaker 1: like we're drugs always a part of the picture. I
Speaker 1: don't know. To me, it feels like you go on there,
Speaker 1: you you have a gun or something, and why what
Speaker 1: what are they selling drugs? How much money could they owe?
Speaker 1: I think another weird fun up thing that I remember
Speaker 1: hearing was like somebody like a Colombian neck tie where
Speaker 1: they're like that's where you like slit the throat and pull.
Speaker 1: It's like that that is not happening in Brentwood, man,
Speaker 1: Like that is so risky and stupid. So I do
Speaker 1: not think it was a drug thing. They're not sending
Speaker 1: a message to all these people with three pools yeah,
Speaker 1: next to know what's up your next burden? It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's the energy that the cartel
Speaker 1: is showing up with. Here's a sillier I don't know
Speaker 1: if sillier is the right word, but certainly a more
Speaker 1: absurd one. There's a theory that o J hired a
Speaker 1: serial killer to murder his ex wife and Ron Goldman.
Speaker 1: A man named Glenn Rogers, who basically claims to have
Speaker 1: killed seventy women, including Nicole Brown Simpson, is apparently hired
Speaker 1: by o J and uh is in fact the murderer,
Speaker 1: and it's even verified. The brother of Glenn Rodgers basically
Speaker 1: claims he genuinely believes that his brother was in fact
Speaker 1: the person who did the murders. Interest he had never
Speaker 1: heard that. I had maybe heard that like it looked
Speaker 1: like it could have been a serial killer the murderer,
Speaker 1: you know, like there was this sadistic nous to it,
Speaker 1: which I think you attribute to either someone you know,
Speaker 1: like a passion passion crime or a serial killer. UM.
Speaker 1: I think there was also some theory going around when
Speaker 1: I was younger that like o J tried to make
Speaker 1: it look like it was a serial killer or something,
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that there's an actual person that they've
Speaker 1: attributed it to. I would say that is not a
Speaker 1: terrible idea for like, like not not to say that
Speaker 1: we should do that, but like if you were like
Speaker 1: writing a movie like that, I love I love that
Speaker 1: you were sitting there, like honestly, because like if it's
Speaker 1: just like a movie, right, you could be like it's
Speaker 1: the perfect crime because ultimately, if you get caught, which
Speaker 1: you want to get caught as a serial killer, like
Speaker 1: you'll just be like it was a random killing. You know,
Speaker 1: you find do you hunt down a serial killer only
Speaker 1: to him kill someone in your life? That's not a
Speaker 1: bad idea. Like that's the part that I think bumped
Speaker 1: me pretty hard. And all of this, What did o
Speaker 1: J look up to find local serial killers in his
Speaker 1: area that that could take care of his ex wife
Speaker 1: for him? Let me ask around. Hey, I'm o you
Speaker 1: guys wrote the serial Killers Rob Kardesh. You know, any
Speaker 1: serial killing, it would have to be some sort of
Speaker 1: like when O J was in jail met someone, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and like because he's o J, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's o J. I love you like
Speaker 1: you love you want to do something me like I
Speaker 1: kill people because of you. But I would say this
Speaker 1: legs and okay, you are an actor. We wrote a
Speaker 1: movie that was like, dude who wants to like kill
Speaker 1: his boss and he's like a detective. So he hunts
Speaker 1: down the serial killer and corners him and the serial killers.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Arrest me? He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I got a job for you. Yeah, he gets his
Speaker 1: bosket man. This is this is pretty good. That's pretty go.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. You got my ear. I want to develop
Speaker 1: this with o J. With we gotta take him into
Speaker 1: the pitches and he's got to talk about the Buffalo bills.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna run the ball, you gotta have a
Speaker 1: passing gate? All right, man? What does that? Here's another phenomenal,
Speaker 1: This is a much more absurd one. There are some
Speaker 1: people who contend that o J was the victim of
Speaker 1: mind control in murdering his wife. That basically the c
Speaker 1: i A, the FBI, the Illuminati all sort of team
Speaker 1: up and start running mind control experiments on o J.
Speaker 1: Ultimately to sort of like increase or or bring a
Speaker 1: head to the racial tension that is building already in America.
Speaker 1: That this is like a chess move that if O
Speaker 1: J kills his wife, we are able to Uh. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know what I will say that that
Speaker 1: is the type of ship I would have been like
Speaker 1: ten years ago, I would have like twelve years ago,
Speaker 1: I would be like okay, okay, um, so let me
Speaker 1: look it up some like who would benefit from this?
Speaker 1: Like what companies? Um? That that's an interesting one, and
Speaker 1: like unfortunately, the mind control might just be like he
Speaker 1: played in the NFL and like knocked his head around
Speaker 1: for however many years, you know, ran right up the
Speaker 1: middle of Like I feel like that is where the
Speaker 1: mind control comes in. But that's the fascinating one. I did,
Speaker 1: you know, I used to think about the Illuminati all
Speaker 1: the time of Bohemian Grove and the Builderberg meetings and
Speaker 1: all this ship, and like I don't know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: but how many things do you have to do before
Speaker 1: you get to all right, well, now let's frame o
Speaker 1: J for a murder so that because bring racial tensions,
Speaker 1: like they're probably just like you know, like stealing oil
Speaker 1: from the Middle East or whatever. Like I think there's
Speaker 1: better shipped to be doing than that. Your point, that's
Speaker 1: not uh, that that wasn't in a single meeting when
Speaker 1: we all just sat down, this got pitched out and
Speaker 1: everyone I was like, cool, cool, coo coo. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to point a hundred and thirty five. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see you guys know o J No, let's There's
Speaker 1: a similar one that also claims that an Aryan cult
Speaker 1: might have and not in under mind control, but an
Speaker 1: Aryan cult actually was the group that murdered Nicole Brown
Speaker 1: Simpson and Ron Goldman, not for the sake of sort
Speaker 1: of fixing race in America, but actually inciting the racial
Speaker 1: tension in America that they wanted to set up exactly
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, this is and you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I could see how that conspiracy develops because, like
Speaker 1: I said, after the trial, especially for like young kids
Speaker 1: and like people who were maybe just like I had
Speaker 1: a cursory understanding of what was going on, there was
Speaker 1: this like a cool black people like we did get
Speaker 1: like there was a weird racial line John. And because
Speaker 1: obviously the trial goes way into it and like the
Speaker 1: crooked cop shit and the N word and all that ship,
Speaker 1: like it all ends up being a part of the case.
Speaker 1: So it's true but I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: have predicted the Mark Furman of it all, like he
Speaker 1: could have gotten he could have just rolled with his
Speaker 1: original attorney and just been like a Copper Plea or whatever.
Speaker 1: The Mark Furman and the Johnny Cochrane of it all
Speaker 1: are very very those are wild cards that I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone could have predicted. No, I
Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone anticipated. I mean clearly O
Speaker 1: J didn't even anticipated because he didn't hire He was like,
Speaker 1: always come on, brother, way favorite. I gotta say, guys,
Speaker 1: like again, I'm gonna plug it again if you have
Speaker 1: not watched The People versus O J. Simpson. I've said
Speaker 1: this many times, but that is my Star Wars. Like
Speaker 1: when when the when the Broncos shows up on screen,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like the Bronco they caught they
Speaker 1: caught a Bronco. Oh my god, Like I was so
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh my god, who's gonna be who's
Speaker 1: gonna be camping, who's gonna like I was just I
Speaker 1: love the idea that that, like Star Wars, you're dressing
Speaker 1: up before every episode, like I'm drawing people around. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's it is so good that series, and I do
Speaker 1: think it goes into some of the trial, like it
Speaker 1: really paints the picture that o J did it, which
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with. But they really do a
Speaker 1: great job in showing how bad the cops were and
Speaker 1: how race played into this, and how ultimately they tried
Speaker 1: to frame him, whether he did it or not or
Speaker 1: Son was involved, and it's so good good and well acted,
Speaker 1: and Courtney b Vance and like sucking Darden and Marcia
Speaker 1: Clark are old good in it. Yeah, I'll give you
Speaker 1: one last alternative theory, and this one actually is my favorite,
Speaker 1: and you've brought it up once or twice already, but
Speaker 1: I think it's worth digging into a little. One of
Speaker 1: the arguments that I read on the internet that people
Speaker 1: make for o J being innocent of the crime, not
Speaker 1: in fact a murderer, is the brain damage that he
Speaker 1: suffered from professional football that the CTE somehow exempts him
Speaker 1: from the crimes that he committed. You know, it's if
Speaker 1: if you watch the really really Sad Aaron Hernandez documentary,
Speaker 1: it really makes you want to look at everybody's brain,
Speaker 1: like the junior stay out of it all. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of really fucked up ship going on, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes it innocent. Where do we
Speaker 1: Where does innocence come into that? Because I ultimately think
Speaker 1: like for justice to be served on that, like, we
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way too. One. Look, I
Speaker 1: hate the NFL. I don't like that league at all,
Speaker 1: But we have to figure out a way to protect
Speaker 1: those players, and we have to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to treat them after they play, because if not, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of very young, almost going broke,
Speaker 1: extremely dangerous individuals that are like yeah, that are unwell
Speaker 1: because of like I think it happens in soccer in
Speaker 1: Europe and it happens in football out here, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you got to be careful with those head injuries, man,
Speaker 1: Like that, right, you trained a dude for for five
Speaker 1: to ten years to lift four hundred pounds over his
Speaker 1: head and then afterwards you left him with zero money
Speaker 1: and zero accountability. So yeah, he's probably gonna add tons
Speaker 1: of scarring in his brain. Like there is sure. It
Speaker 1: is really sad what happens to those players in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's such a grinding and look,
Speaker 1: O J came from a time where you could get
Speaker 1: rich like he was one of the lucky ones, like
Speaker 1: he had a career after the NFL commercials everything. So
Speaker 1: even then I do think that, and look all the
Speaker 1: stuff that we know he did, the abusing of Nicole,
Speaker 1: the like incidents of rage and the hotel room and
Speaker 1: on the streets of Miami, like that ship I can
Speaker 1: attribute to CTE. Is he not guilty? That dude is
Speaker 1: still very guilty of that, but it is. It is
Speaker 1: a sad circumstance. And I think to your earlier point,
Speaker 1: the hope would be that we we figure out a
Speaker 1: way because I think the only way to check for
Speaker 1: ct right now is for yeah, you have to be
Speaker 1: dead and like pull the brain apart, which is so sad.
Speaker 1: They gotta figure out a way to find that in
Speaker 1: some sort, Yeah, to figure out a way to track
Speaker 1: it early. And then to your point, get people the
Speaker 1: help that they need, even if you know they have
Speaker 1: committed times. Ultimately getting them into some kind of service
Speaker 1: where they can be held accountable but also get better
Speaker 1: from whatever this ship is is the goal. Here's what
Speaker 1: they gotta do. Get rid of helmets in the NFL. No, lie,
Speaker 1: if there are no helmets, look at these rugby dudes.
Speaker 1: They're not getting the same injuries because they're not taking
Speaker 1: the same risks. Yeah, I'm not going to skull like
Speaker 1: missile head first. Like, I just really want the Washington
Speaker 1: football team to win. I can't. I can't. It's very
Speaker 1: upsetting to me. But absolutely, is that a conspiracy? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Like, I think it's probably just you
Speaker 1: might as well assume O J had it. The amount
Speaker 1: of miles on him as a running back and the
Speaker 1: amount of the load he took and the way he ran,
Speaker 1: It's sure. I think the conspiracy was more of what
Speaker 1: you have it you want. Yeah, it's like a get
Speaker 1: out of jail free car. It's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I earned my brain to get out of jail free
Speaker 1: card was that he was famous and rich. There there
Speaker 1: it is. We did it, Sean. This is a fantastic time.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you did it. Could you tell the
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