WEBVTT - If Someone Else Did It (with Shaun Diston) 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.840 I watched the video the other day and it was 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.880 pre election decision where he goes, uh, you know, I 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.680 try to stay out of politics. Oh J don't really 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.560 do politics. That ain't really my thing. But I will 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.640 say this, whoever is elected the president has to commit 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.960 to being the president. And we were like, I'm sitting 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.880 there like, oh, Jay, that's not the issue. At Neither 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.320 one of them is like I don't want the job. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.680 You can't just be halfway in, halfway up. You have 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:36.720 been because being a running back. Let me tell you 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:57.280 about the Dallas count chips in your racists money stuff. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:04.399 You can't tell me. Yep, there it is there, It 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.120 is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.400 phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.880 we died deep, deep into the world of black conspiracy 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.680 theories and we finally worked to prove that Clarence Thomas 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.560 put his pubs on every can of Coca cola. Anita 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.000 Hill was just the first person to notice the man 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.000 loved pubes on coke. The fact that she caught one 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.560 that was just on you, Anita. You shouldn't have been 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:39.880 looking down and coke. It's it's just facts. These are 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.640 the facts, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host, Lenkston Kerman. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.760 I'm happy to be here. As always, we have a 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.600 phenomenal show for you. My guest today, I'm so excited 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.400 that he's here. He's so funny. You guys know him 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.960 from his Patreon backslash Shawn Distant on Patreon. I'm giving 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.600 his name away before I've even introduced the men. He 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.400 also as an amazing, hilarious podcast that I love very much. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.600 It's called We Have to Stop Talking to Him and 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.600 t on C B B. It's hilarious. It talks about 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.320 the Ninja Turtles. I'm a big fan. Give it up 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:18.920 for my guests, Mr Shawn This then everybody, Langston Langston Lanks. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.560 I am so excited to be here. I am so 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.720 excited to talk about what we're gonna talk about because 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.960 you are. You were like, what do you want to 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.960 talk about on the podcast? And I was kind of like, man, 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.120 I'm trying to blank a little bit. And when you 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.200 sort of offered up this topic, I realized how much 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.320 this was a part of my life. I just I'm 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.480 so excited to talk about it. This is the energy 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.640 that I love because because your topic, I think, is 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.160 one that certainly people have uh. It's been in the lexicon, 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.360 the American uh conversation for a long time. But I 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.799 don't think people ever get tired of it. It's never 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:01.359 gonna get old. Trial of the century, Trial of the century, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.920 they said, you said, and I want to make sure 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.320 that we get this right for our listeners, so everybody 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.120 feels comfortable and landed in all of this. But you said, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:20.640 my mama told me, oh, j didn't kill those people. Now, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.440 I do not want to attribute Bob to that because 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.840 I don't remember specifically what her take was. I do 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:34.520 remember everybody kind of being very happy and chill about it, 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.440 like no one was dead. I mean, I know, if 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.680 you remember, like I was in middle school at the time, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.280 and like, you know, when the verdict came down, like 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.800 what you heard was true, there was a straight up 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.320 Pavlovian response that all white people were just like what 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:55.000 the and every was like it was like we finally 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.200 got away with one. Like even if you thought you 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.680 were like we can beat the city to every once 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.120 in a while, which was its own win, it was 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.520 a very same I think, And it's a yes, you're 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.080 making some wonderful points that I totally agree with. One 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.680 of the things that always or has bugged me about 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.720 some of the portrayals and like the documentary and like 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.600 the television show is that it's a bunch of black 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.600 people being like, yes, finally go o JC. And that 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.359 wasn't as much the vibe at least in my house 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.000 where it was like I ain't shine on. It was 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.800 like it was like, okay, it wasn't really celebrating like 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.480 I think they definitely and remind I'm reminding you like 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.279 we were in middle school, so everyone was really dumb 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.120 and we were like little kids responding to like we 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.560 didn't even really know how to respond, you know. But 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.280 I don't remember adults being like I don't remember my dad. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:50.880 He could be up from school and be like, yo, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.880 got away, but like a big day ice cream or 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.479 some ship. It wasn't like that at all. But it 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.760 was a year time and I don't remember my family 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.360 ever really wanting to say he did it, but I 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:11.840 can't really even remember because the O J trial, specifically 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.800 for me, was more intent. Like first of all, you know, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.960 I was in middle school. You just had like was 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.240 something you followed when you were a kid. But then 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.520 in high school, I went to this magnet high school 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:28.680 in Florida called Coral Reef Senior High School. It's a 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:33.400 very strange, stupid name, um, but every other high school 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:38.200 named themselves after like a famous person. We were like Reef. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.360 I guess, like we don't have to like ask anyone 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.800 for permission, um. But it was a magnet school. So 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.560 I went into criminal justice the Magnet and because of that, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.080 like I had a couple of electives that were basically 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.880 just like training you to be either a cop or 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.920 a lawyer. But in the first couple of years you 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.760 just took these general classes. And in one of the classes, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.000 one of the assignments was we watched the entire O 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.800 J trial. Wow, over a series of months, we watched 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.719 that had to take a long time, long time, and 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.839 we watched I think we might have skipped some parts 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.920 of it, but we watched like months worth of this 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.320 trial and did different assignments on every part about it 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.120 and just talked about procedure and talked about all this ship. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.839 But like we were also like watching it like it 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.880 was a TV show in class, and we were like 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.080 taking sides and like some of us started to be like, Yo, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.160 Johnny Cocher is right, like I, where do I stand 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.000 on this conspiracy? That? That was the question that I 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.039 was building. Where do I love that? You're You're getting 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.240 right to it. Where do you stand now? How are 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:52.080 you feeling about O J's innocence in relation to specifically murder. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:57.000 There's a complicated answer to that. Do I believe he 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:01.600 should have been uh not guilty after that trial? Yes? 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.040 I absolutely agree with the outcome of the trial. If 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.080 you watch it, you kind of are seeing lawyers pick 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.680 apart a prosecution in a way they weren't ready for. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.840 You see the ineptitude of the L A p. D. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.800 Is he innocent? I do not think so. I think 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.120 he is a part of it. And I think the 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.280 biggest conspiracy that I do believe is and I even 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:30.160 put up the zoom background here for I think Jason 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.880 did it. Jason Simpson's sun from his first marriage. And 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.160 when you dig into that conspiracy and then you and 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.760 then having also watched the trial and seeing how like, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.760 if O J walked into this house and killed two people, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:53.080 the physical evidence should be overwhelming. Yeah, but they could 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.320 barely prove it, and they had some very circumstantial evidence, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.480 and it really clouds the j angle. But then when 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.320 you hear some of the like really outstanding circumstantial evidence 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.120 for Jason, You're just like, give me more physical evidence. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.800 I want them to test against, Like I want all 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.520 of it, you know. I will say that the Jason 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.239 Simpson journey of it All, or or theory of it all, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.120 is one that like when I first heard it, I 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.040 was like, I don't know, this just seems like somebody reaching. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.280 And then you really unpack everything that they have on Jason, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.440 or at least potentially on Jason, and if nothing else 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.040 to your point, it makes you have to go, Okay, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.000 well we don't know for sure that o J did this. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.240 And let me just say this too, because I've I've 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.440 done a lot of like, you know, I'm like a 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.839 comedy performer, so I've done like a lot of o J. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.920 I've done a lot of like playing around in this 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.680 space comedically, and I want to just say, like I 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.800 even stopped doing the character after a while because I 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.800 was like, man, two people were murdered here. This is 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.040 kind of fun up to be dancing around and like 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.400 being o J and having fun with it. But so 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.880 just even just disclaimer, like it was a horrific crime, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.120 and I do think that, like it is a shame 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.680 that it is not solved and there isn't justice for 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:15.080 the Goldman family and the Brown family. Like yeah, there's 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.520 some fucked up ship there. But ultimately, I think Jason 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.280 probably did it. I think O J probably try to 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.760 help him cover it up. Hence the drops in the bronco. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.520 It's the tiny bits of evidence that you can tie 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.520 O J two and some of his peculiar behavior, including 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.559 the bronco with a C with with you know. Yeah, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.120 so I don't know. That's where I'm sort of landed 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.520 on it, and I'm like, that doesn't make him not guilty. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.640 You know, well, number one, you got to a very 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:52.480 important thing that this was. In fact, it's not. It 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.800 ain't that funny, but it's still a comedy podcast. And 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.600 so we'll figure out a way to make this a okay. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.800 But I will say that I don't know if you've 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.280 ever had the pleasure, And I used that in a 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.439 very loose way because I similarly thought like for a while, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.160 like I'll have some fun in this kind of thing. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.320 But I my wife and I listened to uh if 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.439 I did It. We we like downloaded the audio book 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.160 of If I Did It, the O j Uh Semi Confessional, 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.360 and one of the things I thought, this is gonna 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.560 be hilarious. This is just gonna be a dumb man 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.120 making a bunch of missteps as a writer. But the 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.160 thing that I didn't realize is that because the family 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.480 only won a civil case and lost the criminal case, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.360 they were never actually really paid. Right O j claimed broke. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.679 He couldn't pay them for basically what he was, you know, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.880 oh what he was meant to owe them in court, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.280 And the only way that they could actually get the 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.160 money back was to buy the rights or or basically 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.160 retained the rights of the book. And with that, there's 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.079 a one our prelude when you listen to the book 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.400 of just like Ron Goldman's sister basically crying on the 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.280 microphone saying how this book not only has ruined their 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.480 life in that it's the only way that they can 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:18.439 collect money, but then number two, everybody shames them for 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.040 having the rights to the book and basically trying to 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.040 make money off the death of their son. That is 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:31.800 so crazy, that is I mean, look, that is so sad, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.199 and you know, I think it's funny though, to be 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:40.040 cursed by like this book that is selling like and 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.720 it's like, I don't I didn't listen to the book, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.640 but from what I can gather or from what I've heard, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.880 he like describes a whole night that like where it happens. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.040 Then he's like, this is what would have happened or whatever, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.920 And doesn't he do like a TV interview where he 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.120 also talks a lot about it. He does. He at 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.520 a an interview with Solidad O'Brien where he basically sat 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.040 down with her and and did a live reading. It's 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.520 not a reading, but a live sort of like acting 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.040 out of the book and in it, he basically creates 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.000 this character named Charlie Barley right, who he claims is 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.000 this person who he doesn't know very well and he 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.560 doesn't have much of a relationship with. He doesn't know 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.400 anything about Charlie, but Charlie is the one that basically 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.120 commits the crime, and o J is sort of his assistant, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.880 if you will, throughout this process, I mean, look, that's 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:40.360 more to me. That is more evidence of this Jason 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.560 like it could because I honestly believe that the only 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.520 person that O J. Would cover for or would like 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.400 act that way after the trial is either himself or 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.120 a close family member, like it would just have to be. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.000 He has proven himself in every facet of his life 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:05.240 to be a complete, like megalomaniac type person. But he's 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.000 not necessarily somebody that we're seeing being shitty to his kids, 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.679 at least in a direct way other than allowing his 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.679 ex wife to get murdered and leave them without a mother. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.960 But here's the thing we should all like, because I 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.679 don't know if people know that Jason evidence, like, we 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.880 should go through and we're gonna unpack. Okay, we're gonna 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.680 get there. We're gonna get into the research. Let's stay 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:32.200 in the emotional truth theater. We'll get into Jason. Jason 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.320 is not going missed, Okay, Okay, Well then look and 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:40.000 then the other parts of it that are I think 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.720 almost not disputed at this point is the conspiracy of 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.079 the l a p D. Like, regardless of OJ's guilt 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.600 on the murder, you know, regardless of his involvement, the 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:58.040 l a p D did some very shady ship. I've 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.200 been watching. Uh, I don't know if you want watch 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.320 it at all. I watched a ship ton of unsolved 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:07.199 mysteries and uh it's you know Netflix. Yeah, there's brand 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.400 new ones out there. Second season on Netflix, and almost 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.640 every single episode the major thing that you walk away 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.040 with is the police are bad at their jobs. Sometimes 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.480 they're bad at their jobs because they're racist. Sometimes they're 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.400 bad at their jobs because they don't do good detective work. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.760 Sometimes they're bad at their job because they do great 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.080 detective work and then just lose evidence. But it's interesting 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.240 because it kind of sounds like we should just maybe 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:40.320 defund the I don't know, like, why are we giving 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.400 I don't know. I don't know, John, it sounds like 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.680 you're taking things too far. I don't want to tell you. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.440 I don't want to. That's out about what could we 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.160 possibly do without the police they've kept the money and 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.440 not give to the police. It's always a fascinating journey 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.600 when you start to look at the work that the 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:05.320 police are doing that basically is working against whatever they're 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.840 trying to prove. And I think to your point, the 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.000 O j A trial is a perfect example of that. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.680 A police just not only being like fumbly idiots, but 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:19.200 also intentionally violent against, you know, the person that they're 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.360 essentially trying to prove guilty. I am from Miami, Florida, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.720 so like I have been around cops, Like you know, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.880 they show cops, remember that, Like they would shoot tons 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.520 of episodes in like neighborhoods that I was just hanging 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.520 out in. Like it was a very heavy cop and 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.560 you got sucked with by the cops all the time, 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.440 and you start to realize that, like they're driven by numbers, 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.320 which is a really fucked up thing, but like they 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.160 want to close cases, they want to put people in jail, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.560 like it is to their benefit to make someone guilty. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.640 So they'll plant drugs on somebody. They'll do and in 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.480 their and they're not doing it to an innocent person, right, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.200 Like I think they think O. J did it, but 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.040 they were like, we got to actually make this a 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.840 slam dunk. And I think that's the violence, right, is 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.080 that like the reality of our system isn't there. They 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.800 they're unable to remove their own bias from this, and 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.840 so like ultimately, you're just asking a bunch of people 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.640 who have a very hard form of opinion about a 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.640 person or about a crime to like be neutral on 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.080 some ship and they can't. Peoplefuckers aren't skilled in that way, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.000 and then not to mention the ferment, the mark ferment 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.880 of it all in this trial. Like I think if 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.280 people don't know about this trial, I do think watching 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.760 that show, the People versus O. J. Simpson does a 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.000 really good job of at least laying out a lot 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.160 of the evidence that is true that you'd be like, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.200 I do not think that that could be true, Like 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.720 the fact that he had these tapes where he was 0:16:54.800 --> 0:17:01.440 talking about framing black people, like it it's so oh crazy, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:06.160 Like but even crazier is a police department who then 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.280 still puts this person on the biggest case of the century. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.040 It's insane, Like there's there's got to be a level 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.320 of accountability on their end where they're like, a, he's racist, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.240 but we're not gonna put it, We're not gonna put 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.960 him in charge. But there's a murder of a white 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:27.280 woman send old racist Mark Bourbon. I mean he must 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.880 have been like closest in the area, Like who knows 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:34.840 what it was, but like to me, the deadlock on oh, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.399 it must have been O. J. By whether it is 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.560 racist or whether it is just them looking at what 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.440 the least common denominator is like what the easiest answer is, Oh, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.080 she has an abusive husband. He is there, Oh he's 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.200 like he was in Chicago. Like what is all this behavior? 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.159 Like very easy to be like, Yo, o J did it? 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:01.320 Why are we putting any effort into anyone else? And 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.800 I think you're also tapping into a really important point 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.199 here that that is worth noting for our listeners is 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.840 that I don't think and I'm certainly not hearing it 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.080 on your end, neither of us is defending the quality 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.640 of o J as a human being. I don't think 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.320 that like trash like part of the bad man. What's 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.879 really fucked up is so again, I'm from Miami, and 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.159 directly after the trial, his family lived in Miami, like 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:34.159 they lived in the area, and his kids were notorious, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.439 notorious little bad kids like not like Jason might have 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.240 been older and like wasn't a part of it, but 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.320 like the kids who were like in the private schools 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.920 and ship like they were probably like the rumors were 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.680 they were like selling illegal cable boxes and they were 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.040 like selling drugs because they didn't have money because like 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:57.320 their dad was broke, you know, like out of evil 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.359 ship going on, and then like you know, O J. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.480 Had that really fucked up incident where he like assaulted 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.199 the guy in a car in Miami and pulled his 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.560 glass off, Like I think o J. And to that end, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.120 like when you watch documentaries about him, you're like, yes, 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.359 I do think he probably had ct E, has c 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.359 t E, and probably like has rage issues and probably 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.280 is abusive. And maybe that's where Jason learned it, you 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.600 know what I mean, And that this isn't this is 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.159 a at best, this is a learned behavior that he 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.199 adopted from a very mean man with a very unhealthy 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.920 relationship with his ex wife. He's probably seen his o J. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.159 Simpson be fucked up with multiple women throughout his childhood. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.959 He has his own like mental ship that he's dealing with. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.439 I do think that, like o J is guilty of 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.880 this murder. Did he commit the murder? I don't quite know, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.520 And I'm I leaned towards no. Yeah, one of the 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.760 things I remember as a kid, And maybe you remember 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.280 this and you were you were in Florida, so it 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.000 probably was like much more of a conversation for you all. 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.040 But like immediately after the trial was like one of 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.560 the first videos they showed of o J was him 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.840 like golfing in Florida, and they had he had like 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.480 a new young white girl that he was like dating 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.560 who looked a lot like Nicole, And the news was 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.080 making all kinds of big deals about it. And I 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:34.080 remember specifically that the people, the women, especially in my life, 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.080 that was the point where they were like, na, that 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:39.760 motherfucker did it. I will say that there is an 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.040 element in the black community of like, that's what happens 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.760 to your data white Like I think there was a 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.840 bit of that where it was like he's gonna that 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:55.639 is not a healthy dynamic, Like no, it's interesting because 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.600 like I don't know, like I don't want to say 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.320 that like that has any thing to do with it, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.880 but like he has this strange ownership issue. He had 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.959 this weird like o J wanted to be white. Like 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.119 he was a person who was like I don't want 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.200 to talk about race, I don't want to talk about politics. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.680 So like there's a strange there's a weirdness there and 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.960 and and like a weird self hate there. And I think, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.840 if I may, I think part of it is not 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.240 just wanting to be white, but wanting to be powerful 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.239 out in the world and equating whiteness with power. So 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.159 for him, it's like what is the most powerful person 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.000 a white man? I will elevate myself to whatever that is. 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:41.960 He should have just he should have just sent me 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.760 so sid. He should have just like skin, get some 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:51.199 blue contact, have just lightened his skin. I don't know 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.359 why you have to go through all this bullshit. I 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.320 would love that if O. J would have lightened his skin, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.040 and then we would have not been talking about it 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.639 would have been fine. He would like he probably didn't 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.879 do it, Like he still would have loved if he 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.240 lightened his skin and still tried to steal his memorabilia back. 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.159 I want I want him to still go to jail. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:16.800 Is another thing, another conspiracy. That is another conspiracy, because 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:21.680 there is the conspiracy that that was a setup to 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.920 put him in jail, because he should be in jail, 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.879 like it was like a retaliation for what he did, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.439 and there was like it was almost like a sting 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:35.399 operation to just like get him arrested. So right that 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:39.600 justice was justice quote unquote was not originally served. But 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.480 we'll get him for this much more minor crime and 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.800 turn it into what ultimately looked like a murder. Level 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.719 of prisons and punishment like it was crazy, but yeah, 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.520 he's the chapters in this man's life. There's so many, 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.919 like even just talking about like the Miami years, Like 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.359 there's the Miami years before and after the civil trial, 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:06.239 like there's a whole there is like this before the 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.680 civil trial where like o J was like I'm he 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.360 was like the came he was like the king of Miami. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.640 Like it was very funny when he showed up, because 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.399 it was just like, yeah, o J the most famous 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.560 person in the world because I got off with this 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.520 murder and I'm now going to join a golf club. 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:27.680 I've I've long said this and and it's it's problematic 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.160 at best, but o J is by far the funniest 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:36.480 murderer of all time. If you watch his Twitter right now, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.800 Like I don't know if he knows how funny it is, 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:44.240 but that's yeah, I think he has no clue, which 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.280 is what makes it so wild his Twitter. His Twitter 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.000 is just like al right, well, now I want to 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.400 talk about what's going on with the Dallas Cowboys now 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.639 as a football player, like he would just talk for 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.119 like four minutes about one specific is alright, now, o 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:02.199 J fans, now this election is really crazy, but we 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.840