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Speaker 1: You can't tell me. Yep, there it is there, It

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Speaker 1: is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: we died deep, deep into the world of black conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories and we finally worked to prove that Clarence Thomas

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Speaker 1: looking down and coke. It's it's just facts. These are

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Speaker 1: the facts, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host, Lenkston Kerman.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. As always, we have a

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Speaker 1: from his Patreon backslash Shawn Distant on Patreon. I'm giving

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Speaker 1: It's called We Have to Stop Talking to Him and

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Speaker 1: t on C B B. It's hilarious. It talks about

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Speaker 1: for my guests, Mr Shawn This then everybody, Langston Langston Lanks.

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Speaker 1: was nervous. Uh. So let's jump into some of this research.

430
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: You brought it up earlier, and I think it it

431
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: is the most sort of like outstanding put sentual other

432
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: story that might exist for who murdered Nicole Brown, Simpson

433
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: and Ron Goldman, but Jason Simpson, aged twenty four at

434
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: the time, is the prime other suspect that was never

435
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: actually looked into for the murder trial. Tell me what

436
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: you know. So I know a bit about this just

437
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: from internet research, Like there isn't much out there other

438
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: than that there's a book written by this guy that

439
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: I've not read, and it is like O J. Simpson

440
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: is innocent and I can prove it or something like Yeah,

441
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: William C. Dear Uh is this guy who basically writes

442
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: an entire book basically saying that o J is innocent

443
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: and I can prove it where he explores all the

444
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: reasoning and logic for Jason being the actual murder. But

445
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: I do again think that that is a flawed title

446
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: because he says o J is innocent. I don't think

447
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: that's like. I do think he is probably an accessory.

448
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: He's probably at the very least was on the at

449
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: the crime scene. So yeah, stuff I know about Jason.

450
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I know that he had a diagnosed rage disorder, that's right,

451
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: And it was something that I guess has been described

452
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: colloquially as Dr Jekyll or Jekyll and Hyde disorder or something.

453
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: That's right. So it's called intermittent rage disorder, which I

454
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: had never heard of, and yes, colloquially it's Jekyll and

455
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: Hyde syndrome UM. And he was given a drug called

456
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: d pat Cote to control his rage and seizures. Apparently

457
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: it's so intense that he can go into seizures from

458
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: it UM and that drug that he was taking he

459
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: stopped taking two months before the murders took place. So

460
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: also in that two month period, he was on probation

461
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: or something for threatening his boss with a knife. And

462
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: now he was a chef, so he was a chef

463
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: proficient in knives. He had a knives set, and he

464
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: threatened his boss with a knife in the past. He

465
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: stabbed himself in front of his girlfriend in an episode

466
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: he threatened another person like. He has multiple verified on

467
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: the record instances where he threatened people with knives. Yes,

468
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: and not only threatened his girlfriend, he nearly killed her

469
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: with it, like, was fully attempting to stab her to

470
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: death with a knife and seriously injured other people with

471
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: knives in the past. So he is not unfamiliar with knives,

472
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: and even more so, a former roommate or a classmate

473
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: rather of Jason said that he was actually trained in

474
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: hand to hand combat as well as field knife training

475
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: when he attended the Army and Navy Academy. So this

476
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: is a motherfucker that knows. I mean, it's crazy. That's

477
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: what's so crazy about the incompetence here is that, like,

478
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: if any of this is true, which you know, I've

479
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: only done internet research, so it's like one am I

480
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: verifying really just seems like it's rated a bunch, and

481
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: it's in this book. The fact that the police didn't

482
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: even like do a cursory investigation, the fact that we

483
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: don't all know this person's name as a suspect before.

484
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: It's it's insane. The other thing, the other things you

485
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: find out are there was a hat found at the scene, yes,

486
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: with blood and hair I believe hair from a dog

487
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: as well. And oh J didn't wear hats, But there's

488
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: a picture of Jason Simpson with a black hat of

489
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: the same style with a dog on his bed. Yeah.

490
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Not only is it that they find the hat, but

491
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: they find hair in the hat that yes, belongs to

492
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: a dog, but then also belongs to someone who isn't

493
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: o J. Yeah, and they there are multiple pictures, not

494
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: just one but I know the exact one you're referring to,

495
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: But there are multiple pictures of Jason Simpson wearing a

496
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: similar style, had a bunch of different colors right hanging

497
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: out in the hat like an indoor settings. This motherfucker

498
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: loved that. So it's crazy. And another part of it

499
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: is like I think that like they found tons of fingerprints,

500
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: they found tons of physical evidence that did not match

501
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: O J. Sucking the DNA under Nicole's fingernails did not

502
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: match O J. I believe we ultimately were like, oh

503
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: it was forensic mistakes or whatever. I think, like that's

504
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: they end up saying in a bunch of stuff. But

505
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like it just didn't match, and it could very

506
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: well have been you know, Jason's. It very well could

507
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: have been his Bruno, Molly's very well could have been

508
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: his very welcome been all of it, Yes, And to

509
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: your point, the charlie of it all the the charlie

510
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: that O J. Refers to in his book and in

511
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: the interview is often a tree did or rather connected

512
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: to be him protecting his son by giving him a

513
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: sort of like pseudonym instead of just calling him. I

514
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: didn't really know the guy, I raised him for a

515
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: couple of years, but my favorite. But so it's also like,

516
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: so he was from a previous marriage, and there are

517
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: rumors that he had this weird relationship with Nicole that

518
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: was like a weird obsessive relationship. And apparently on the

519
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: night he was supposed to come to the restaurant he

520
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: worked at, but ended up not going to that restaurant

521
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: and going to a different one, I guess the one

522
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: that yes, so Nicole was was apparently and some allegedly

523
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: scheduled to come and eat at the restaurant where where

524
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: Jason was working. Despite having threatened his boss with a knife,

525
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: he was still working at that restaurant or at least

526
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and she didn't show up. She went to

527
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: the restaurant or where on Goldman was working, and thus Jason,

528
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: in theory, went into a fit of rage that drove

529
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: him to go to her house. And so part of

530
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: the the argument that people have about the fact that

531
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: Jason might be the killer is that the murders took

532
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: place between nine pm and ten oh five pm, and

533
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: after nine fifty pm. Jason has no alibi that can

534
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: support where he was during the period of the killing.

535
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: Apparently Lydon said he was with his girlfriend, but he

536
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: had to change that story. And he had a time

537
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: card at the job he worked at that was like automated,

538
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: but that night he wrote in the time kind of yeah,

539
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the time clock is working. Everybody else punches in their

540
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: time uh, you know, through the machine, but Jason hand

541
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: writes his uh. And he also puts a little note

542
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: where he's like, I'm about to go kill a bit

543
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: and he was like and and specifically my that like

544
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: it is all this evidence. And then there was apparently

545
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: some other evidence that like there was a knife that

546
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: they found in a locker that like actually matched better

547
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: with the knives that they tried to say O j used.

548
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: But I'm I feel like if they found that knife,

549
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: we this dude would be in jail. So I don't

550
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: know if I believe that one. And Okay, I'm glad

551
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: you're saying this, because this is the hard part about

552
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: all of this evidence is that it's mostly coming from

553
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: a one dude in his book, um, and it kind

554
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: of makes it this complicated thing of how legitimate we

555
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: can we can believe this person to be. And so

556
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: then yes, to your point, they find a knife in

557
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: a locker in a basically like a storage locker that

558
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Jason had that not only matches the description and size

559
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: of the knife that was apparently used on the colon Ron,

560
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: but on top of that has a number of like

561
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: dent marks and sort of scratches on it that seems

562
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: similar or to the dnt marks that were put on

563
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the Colt's head when he was using it, like the

564
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: blunt side of the knife to like hit her. That's insane,

565
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: but again it's one if they had it's a dude

566
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: who's trying to sell a book. So it's like hard

567
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, he's not the only one to

568
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: come out with this theory, and I know that, Like

569
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: there are other pieces of evidence that I do feel

570
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: like you could probably verify. Like I know that there's

571
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that like o J immediately hired

572
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: a lawyer for his son after YEA, so he hires

573
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: like literally the next day, high o J hires a

574
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: pretty famous criminal attorney, Carl Jones, to represent Jason, even

575
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: though his son was never a suspect in the crime.

576
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: Ie that the l A p D was never Like, Hey,

577
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: that's weird. We don't have to talk to him. But

578
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: but to me, it's like if they if this guy

579
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: is gonna put that in the book, I feel like

580
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: this lawyer would immediately dispeat that if that weren't true,

581
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there are parts of

582
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it where you're like, Okay, he's making some claims that

583
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: are pretty large. Also another really interesting piece, Like so

584
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: I put up this zoom background and I'm I've been

585
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: sort of obsessed with the moment my entire life. Yeah,

586
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: that reading of the verdict. I used to have this

587
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: podcast back in New York that I used to do it.

588
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: I used to weirdly just like play part of it,

589
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: like as a drop, like now we're being a little

590
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: more clear about why you felt bad. You are being

591
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: a real sick oh about it? Well, not honestly, not

592
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: even the not guilty part. I just love the like

593
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: whole the tension that is built in that woman's voice

594
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: when she starts saying everything and then a little stumble

595
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: that she has those are my favorite. She mispronounces orienthal

596
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: and that that's kind of fun And this is a

597
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: big moment for her, and she's she's she's just trying

598
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: to show up. But I think that that moment is

599
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: especially because of the phenomenon of this whole thing being

600
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: on camera. I think it's one of the most interesting

601
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: pieces of video of all time because you get O

602
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: J's reaction, which is so puzzling because you you don't

603
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: know what his headspace is. You really don't know if

604
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: he did it or not. At the time, he almost

605
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: seems like he doesn't understand what they said. I it's

606
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: so puzzling, Like he has the most puzzling reaction and

607
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: then his little smile comes out like it's fascinating. Then

608
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: they cut too. Oh. But even in that same shot,

609
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: you see Cochrane a person being like I just won

610
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: the most unwinnable Kate, like I cannot believe I won that.

611
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: You're watching a person who is like Cochrane is like

612
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: Jordan's like fever Game, like he's like he's like feeling

613
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: like the rush of energy of I didn't really have

614
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: much at stake here other than the biggest win of

615
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: my life. And he was like, And then you kind

616
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: of are also seeing Darden and Marshall Clark's disappointment. Then

617
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: you start going into the gallery where you see Goldman

618
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: family just like Catas like really really and it's really

619
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: it's just such an interesting study of reactions, this whole thing.

620
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: But then you go to the Simpson family and his

621
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: daughters are weeping and his son has the strangest reaction,

622
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: like he does He's like mad stone face. It is

623
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: so strange. He doesn't give anything for a while. He

624
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: just kind of sits there while everyone around him is

625
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: either weeping in joy or celebrating each other. He just

626
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: kind of sits there as they reach around him to

627
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: high five each other, and it is so bustling. And

628
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: then you know the Goldman family is just audibly. They're

629
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: now the loudest thing in the courtroom. And then you

630
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: cut to him again and his hands are in his

631
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: He's now just completely crying, and in the context of

632
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: everything we know or think, it just seems like a

633
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: person who's like, Wow, I put my family through so

634
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: much shit. I am the one who should really be

635
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: up there. I feel guilty about this. I it's if you,

636
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: if you can watch this reaction, it is I don't

637
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: know what to make of it. It's it's not uh,

638
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: it's not what I would have suspected my reaction would

639
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: have been. It's not relief a person with yes it

640
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: the relief doesn't seem to exist, and the only real

641
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: outward reaction seems to come more at the cries from

642
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the family, the other family even more than his own family,

643
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: and salvation and whatever whatever or whatever. I can't so

644
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I not only is this a crazy conspiracy, but just

645
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: from a story perspective, it is so fascinating because it's

646
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: this shitty person covering for his maybe unwell sun h.

647
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: But in a way O J is like, I didn't

648
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: do it, so I should get off. And that's like

649
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: the part of O Ja's reaction is that he's expecting

650
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: to get up like, I don't know. It's such a

651
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: complicated video that it's so good. Yeah, and it's It's

652
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: also one of those things where it's like, even if

653
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: O J didn't do it, that the type of smile

654
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: that you see out of him feels almost too celebratory.

655
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Very way, it's all very weird. There's a few more

656
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that I'd love to dig into. One

657
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: of the things that they point to along with his

658
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: his disorder is that in terms of his mental health

659
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: at least, is that Jason apparently abused alcohol, ecstasy, and

660
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: cocaine beginning at the age of fourteen, and police reports

661
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: indicate that he was arrested at least four times, including

662
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: a d u I, driving with a suspended license, and

663
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: assault with a deadly weapon, while medical records reveal at

664
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: least three suicide attempts. They were side to your point,

665
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: this wasn't necessarily a person in their their most healthy

666
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: mental state from the beginning of all of this going

667
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: through a medication change, which which is maybe something that

668
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: could be verifiable as well, but it all is so

669
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: once the story plays out in the way that if

670
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: justice were served. Ultimately, this person is in a facility

671
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: that is trying to help him, you know, and likes

672
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: not this completely fucked up monster, Like his life is

673
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: completely sucked up and well maybe it should have been

674
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: because he was a piece of ship, but like they

675
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: had divorced and they weren't together, you know, And I

676
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: don't think there have there's been any other God, I

677
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: don't even know, but I think the fascinating alternate reality.

678
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: I think the the the justice that would have been

679
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: that should have been deserved, should have come along the

680
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: times where he was being a domestic abuser, where he

681
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: was like being a scumbag, and all over the ways

682
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: that he was a scumbag, and not necessarily for the

683
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: thing that ultimately we know him best for, which is murder.

684
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Well that is also the big part of it is

685
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: the celebrity of this is a huge piece to the

686
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: story because he had this weird privilege in l a

687
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: that like a lot of people didn't, And it's just

688
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: funny that that magnet of celebrity also was what made

689
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: them want to pin it on him, and also is

690
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: the thing that probably shaded any investigation into his son,

691
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Like if this was just some any dude off the

692
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: street the sun would have been the prime suspect. Yeah,

693
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: you check all the pieces, but instead it's o J.

694
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: And we've decided it's gonna be o J. And therefore

695
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: we are only going to investigate ways to make O

696
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: J the prime suspect. Okay, here's the last piece of

697
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: evidence that I'll throw at you that I thought was.

698
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: I had never heard this, but I think is hugely fascinating.

699
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Apparently Jason used to write these uh notes, these little

700
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: like diary notes to himself that he titled Dear Jason,

701
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: and in it, UH, there's all kinds of mentions of

702
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: like his rage and sort of like uh. At certain points,

703
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: he writes about being three people, and handwriting experts have

704
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: basically connected this back to Jason Simpson, although it's not

705
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: necessarily definitive that Jason Simpson was the one that wrote this,

706
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: but in it, one of the most important sections, he says,

707
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: It's the year of the knife for me. I cut

708
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: away my problems with a knife. Anybody touches my friends,

709
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: I will kill them. I'm also tired of being Dr

710
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Jekyl and bist hide. Yeah, I mean that is so crazy.

711
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I am very very saddened by then. And

712
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: also one of the things I heard is that like

713
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: he's nowhere to be found now, like people don't know

714
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: where he is. Yeah, he like, uh, there are some

715
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: account I kept trying to figure it out, and there

716
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: are some accounts that say he's like living a quote

717
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: unquote quiet life in Atlanta, still working at like restaurants.

718
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: But I don't know how verifiable that is. I think

719
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: most people are kind of like, yeah, he just disappeared

720
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: and nobody really knows what where Jason Simpson. If he

721
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: changed his name, he's going by Charlie now. He's like

722
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: just I know, I would love it if this family

723
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: is so dumb that they just collectively are like, all right,

724
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: what if O J writing a book? You Charlie? Now, well,

725
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: I guess I'm Charlie. I mean, look, here's the thing

726
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: that is because the worst part about all of this,

727
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: and I think the underlying conspiracy theory that like I

728
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: will always believe and like I feel like my family

729
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: is always going to believe, is that like the cops

730
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: are dirty as fun, Like they're dirty and bad, like

731
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: and they let me stop you right there. That's how

732
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: they get you get that ultimately is the the entire

733
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: point of all of this. O. J. Simpson very well

734
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: could be the murderer that we suspect he was, but

735
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: the cops did such a poor job in this process

736
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: that you could not definitively prove he's a murderer, and therefore,

737
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: unfortunately is should be allow to go free after this trial.

738
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I am a person who I used to love conspiracy theories,

739
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: like I would be talking to you about any bullshit,

740
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: like any bad one, any good one, Like I really

741
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: do like conspiracies, but as I've gotten older, I've seen

742
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: that like they can be somewhat harmful and some of

743
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: them are kind of dumb. But the one that I

744
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: will always believe, I will always just be like, yes, yes,

745
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: is any conspiracy involving the police? And that I've always

746
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I've been. I was a huge fan of this really

747
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: downer person. I will say, the whole story is a

748
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: very much downer, but he was an incredible human. This

749
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: guy Michael Rupert. Have you ever heard of him? Michael Ruper.

750
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: If you're a conspiracy podcast guy, you gotta know about

751
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Michael Ruper. He was the cop who basically exposed the

752
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: CIA for approaching him to sell drugs and inner and

753
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: he's in Los Angeles. There's videos of him. There's videos

754
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: of him like confronting members of the CIA and open hearings.

755
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: He he has this incredible story. Like if you guys

756
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: want to watch an incredible YouTube video, look at Michael Rupert.

757
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: C I A. UM, he's like a young cop being

758
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: like I was approached by blank blank blank. I have

759
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: these clearances because he's like naming names and he's he

760
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't know if he names them there, but

761
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: he's like, please contact me. We need to talk about this.

762
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: The guys like, let's talk about it. He exposed the

763
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: police in selling drugs and the CIA around contract like

764
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: all of that ship is Michael. Like go to Michael

765
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: Rupert and look up that old ship. And in his

766
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: later years, because of his like sort of whistleblower attitude,

767
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: he sort of had to move around the world a

768
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: bunch because he started exposing. He's a big person that

769
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: talked about like peak oil. He's talked about like the

770
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: collapse of the banks. He he kind of predicted two

771
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: thousand and eight before it happened. It's a documentary called

772
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: Collapse where he basically sits in a chair. It's a

773
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: documentary of the Manson's in a chair chain smoke cigarettes

774
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: and talks about how peak oil is gonna suck us up.

775
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: And it is really really good. But because of the

776
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: CIA thing, and I remember learning this a long time ago,

777
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: especially after that cares one fucking uh well whatever, there's

778
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: a whole song about with cares One where they're talking

779
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: about the c I as selling drugs in the inner city.

780
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: It's like, what is Yeah, when you look it up,

781
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: it's this guy. So anything about the police, I'm just like,

782
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe it. Yeah, I think, I think exactly

783
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. There so much evidence and so much

784
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: history of the police intentionally doing funk ship to black, brown,

785
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: impoverished people, and sometimes just because that's part of what

786
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: they're trained to do. It isn't even just like a

787
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: personal vindetta. It's like this is like part of the

788
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: system that we were built on. Yeah, it's fascinating, and

789
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I think like from hearing that when I was young

790
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: and hearing ship now like yeah, all the police unions

791
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: are run by the mob and all this, you know,

792
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: it's all this, it's all a criminal organization and all

793
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: this ship. I will believe any police conspiracy because they

794
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: all end up being cutting true. Like, yeah, I think

795
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: we can both agree for the police. Damn, I guess

796
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying. All Right, We're gonna take

797
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: one more break. We'll be back with more Shawn Diston

798
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: and more, my mama told me. And we are back.

799
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut

800
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: America's meet. That's all that. Yeah, we're back here more

801
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: of my mama told me. We're still talking about this

802
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy that Jason Simpson is in fact a real murderer

803
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and the police are the real pieces of this ship

804
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: in this whole uh scenario. I have a fun game

805
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: that I would love to play with you right now.

806
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: This game, it's a brand new game that I'm calling

807
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: if they did it with us, don't you know where us?

808
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: We'll kill you. We'll kill you if they did it

809
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: is the name of this game, and it's a very

810
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: simple game. All I'm gonna do is introduced to you

811
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: a few uh alternative theories, theories that I had never

812
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: heard before in my life about what potentially could have

813
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: happened uh during this murder and what I would love

814
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: for you to do is just unpack them. You're a

815
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: man who loves, or at least used to love conspiracy

816
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: theories when you were more irresponsible, So just unpack them.

817
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: Let's let's hear your thoughts on some of these conspiracy theories.

818
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: Great my first one and this one, uh is very

819
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: interesting to me on a number of levels. But one

820
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: of the things that they point to is that apparently

821
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: Nicole Brown Simpson had a drug problem, that she was

822
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: in some ways in debt to a number of drug dealers,

823
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and that the murder of her and Ron Goldman was

824
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: a hit for money that she owed on her. I

825
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: guess cocaine purchase of this, I don't know. Now, this

826
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: is a very common This was a theory that was

827
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: up and around when the trial was going on, like

828
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: it was a drug thing. It was a drug thing.

829
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: And I feel like that is kind of one of

830
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: those theories that gets thrown around, like after a lot

831
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: of murder, Like I even feel like after the Manson murders,

832
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: people like this was a drug thing. Like, actually, if

833
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: you go in I think it was too sloppy to

834
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: be a drug hit. Why are you going in there

835
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: with one knife are you going in there? Like I

836
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: just feel like that's too sloppy. Yeah, I agree, there's

837
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: something weird about like if this is in fact, like

838
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: this major cartel, like trying to seek vengeance, you don't

839
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: send one dude who can get beat up by a

840
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: man named Ron Gold. I don't think so. And I

841
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: also think like the part of I think what gave

842
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: that conspiracy some credence I think, at least in Florida

843
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: was that there were rumors that the kids were now

844
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: selling drugs after the trial, Like so it was just

845
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: like we're drugs always a part of the picture. I

846
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: don't know. To me, it feels like you go on there,

847
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: you you have a gun or something, and why what

848
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: what are they selling drugs? How much money could they owe?

849
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: I think another weird fun up thing that I remember

850
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: hearing was like somebody like a Colombian neck tie where

851
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: they're like that's where you like slit the throat and pull.

852
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: It's like that that is not happening in Brentwood, man,

853
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: Like that is so risky and stupid. So I do

854
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: not think it was a drug thing. They're not sending

855
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: a message to all these people with three pools yeah,

856
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: next to know what's up your next burden? It's like,

857
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's the energy that the cartel

858
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: is showing up with. Here's a sillier I don't know

859
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: if sillier is the right word, but certainly a more

860
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: absurd one. There's a theory that o J hired a

861
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: serial killer to murder his ex wife and Ron Goldman.

862
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: A man named Glenn Rogers, who basically claims to have

863
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: killed seventy women, including Nicole Brown Simpson, is apparently hired

864
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: by o J and uh is in fact the murderer,

865
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: and it's even verified. The brother of Glenn Rodgers basically

866
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: claims he genuinely believes that his brother was in fact

867
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: the person who did the murders. Interest he had never

868
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: heard that. I had maybe heard that like it looked

869
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: like it could have been a serial killer the murderer,

870
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, like there was this sadistic nous to it,

871
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: which I think you attribute to either someone you know,

872
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: like a passion passion crime or a serial killer. UM.

873
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: I think there was also some theory going around when

874
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: I was younger that like o J tried to make

875
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: it look like it was a serial killer or something,

876
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that there's an actual person that they've

877
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: attributed it to. I would say that is not a

878
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: terrible idea for like, like not not to say that

879
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: we should do that, but like if you were like

880
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: writing a movie like that, I love I love that

881
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: you were sitting there, like honestly, because like if it's

882
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: just like a movie, right, you could be like it's

883
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: the perfect crime because ultimately, if you get caught, which

884
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: you want to get caught as a serial killer, like

885
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: you'll just be like it was a random killing. You know,

886
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: you find do you hunt down a serial killer only

887
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: to him kill someone in your life? That's not a

888
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: bad idea. Like that's the part that I think bumped

889
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: me pretty hard. And all of this, What did o

890
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: J look up to find local serial killers in his

891
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: area that that could take care of his ex wife

892
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: for him? Let me ask around. Hey, I'm o you

893
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: guys wrote the serial Killers Rob Kardesh. You know, any

894
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: serial killing, it would have to be some sort of

895
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: like when O J was in jail met someone, you

896
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and like because he's o J, Like,

897
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's o J. I love you like

898
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: you love you want to do something me like I

899
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: kill people because of you. But I would say this

900
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: legs and okay, you are an actor. We wrote a

901
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: movie that was like, dude who wants to like kill

902
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: his boss and he's like a detective. So he hunts

903
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: down the serial killer and corners him and the serial killers.

904
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Arrest me? He's like, no,

905
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I got a job for you. Yeah, he gets his

906
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: bosket man. This is this is pretty good. That's pretty go.

907
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. You got my ear. I want to develop

908
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: this with o J. With we gotta take him into

909
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: the pitches and he's got to talk about the Buffalo bills.

910
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: If you're gonna run the ball, you gotta have a

911
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: passing gate? All right, man? What does that? Here's another phenomenal,

912
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: This is a much more absurd one. There are some

913
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: people who contend that o J was the victim of

914
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: mind control in murdering his wife. That basically the c

915
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: i A, the FBI, the Illuminati all sort of team

916
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: up and start running mind control experiments on o J.

917
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: Ultimately to sort of like increase or or bring a

918
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: head to the racial tension that is building already in America.

919
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: That this is like a chess move that if O

920
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: J kills his wife, we are able to Uh. I

921
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: guess I don't know what I will say that that

922
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: is the type of ship I would have been like

923
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: ten years ago, I would have like twelve years ago,

924
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: I would be like okay, okay, um, so let me

925
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: look it up some like who would benefit from this?

926
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: Like what companies? Um? That that's an interesting one, and

927
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: like unfortunately, the mind control might just be like he

928
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: played in the NFL and like knocked his head around

929
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: for however many years, you know, ran right up the

930
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: middle of Like I feel like that is where the

931
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: mind control comes in. But that's the fascinating one. I did,

932
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, I used to think about the Illuminati all

933
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: the time of Bohemian Grove and the Builderberg meetings and

934
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: all this ship, and like I don't know what they're doing,

935
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: but how many things do you have to do before

936
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: you get to all right, well, now let's frame o

937
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: J for a murder so that because bring racial tensions,

938
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: like they're probably just like you know, like stealing oil

939
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: from the Middle East or whatever. Like I think there's

940
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: better shipped to be doing than that. Your point, that's

941
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: not uh, that that wasn't in a single meeting when

942
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: we all just sat down, this got pitched out and

943
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: everyone I was like, cool, cool, coo coo. All right,

944
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: let's get to point a hundred and thirty five. Okay,

945
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: let's see you guys know o J No, let's There's

946
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: a similar one that also claims that an Aryan cult

947
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: might have and not in under mind control, but an

948
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Aryan cult actually was the group that murdered Nicole Brown

949
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: Simpson and Ron Goldman, not for the sake of sort

950
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: of fixing race in America, but actually inciting the racial

951
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: tension in America that they wanted to set up exactly

952
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, this is and you know what,

953
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: Like I could see how that conspiracy develops because, like

954
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: I said, after the trial, especially for like young kids

955
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: and like people who were maybe just like I had

956
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: a cursory understanding of what was going on, there was

957
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: this like a cool black people like we did get

958
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: like there was a weird racial line John. And because

959
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: obviously the trial goes way into it and like the

960
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: crooked cop shit and the N word and all that ship,

961
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: like it all ends up being a part of the case.

962
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: So it's true but I don't know if you could

963
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: have predicted the Mark Furman of it all, like he

964
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: could have gotten he could have just rolled with his

965
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: original attorney and just been like a Copper Plea or whatever.

966
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: The Mark Furman and the Johnny Cochrane of it all

967
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: are very very those are wild cards that I think.

968
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone could have predicted. No, I

969
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that anyone anticipated. I mean clearly O

970
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: J didn't even anticipated because he didn't hire He was like,

971
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: always come on, brother, way favorite. I gotta say, guys,

972
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: like again, I'm gonna plug it again if you have

973
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: not watched The People versus O J. Simpson. I've said

974
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: this many times, but that is my Star Wars. Like

975
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: when when the when the Broncos shows up on screen,

976
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like the Bronco they caught they

977
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: caught a Bronco. Oh my god, Like I was so

978
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh my god, who's gonna be who's

979
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna be camping, who's gonna like I was just I

980
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: love the idea that that, like Star Wars, you're dressing

981
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: up before every episode, like I'm drawing people around. Uh.

982
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: It's it is so good that series, and I do

983
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: think it goes into some of the trial, like it

984
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: really paints the picture that o J did it, which

985
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with. But they really do a

986
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: great job in showing how bad the cops were and

987
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: how race played into this, and how ultimately they tried

988
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: to frame him, whether he did it or not or

989
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: Son was involved, and it's so good good and well acted,

990
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: and Courtney b Vance and like sucking Darden and Marcia

991
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Clark are old good in it. Yeah, I'll give you

992
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: one last alternative theory, and this one actually is my favorite,

993
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: and you've brought it up once or twice already, but

994
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: I think it's worth digging into a little. One of

995
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: the arguments that I read on the internet that people

996
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: make for o J being innocent of the crime, not

997
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: in fact a murderer, is the brain damage that he

998
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: suffered from professional football that the CTE somehow exempts him

999
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: from the crimes that he committed. You know, it's if

1000
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: if you watch the really really Sad Aaron Hernandez documentary,

1001
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: it really makes you want to look at everybody's brain,

1002
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: like the junior stay out of it all. Like there's

1003
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: a lot of really fucked up ship going on, and

1004
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes it innocent. Where do we

1005
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Where does innocence come into that? Because I ultimately think

1006
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: like for justice to be served on that, like, we

1007
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: have to figure out a way too. One. Look, I

1008
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: hate the NFL. I don't like that league at all,

1009
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: But we have to figure out a way to protect

1010
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: those players, and we have to figure out a way

1011
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: to treat them after they play, because if not, you're

1012
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of very young, almost going broke,

1013
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: extremely dangerous individuals that are like yeah, that are unwell

1014
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: because of like I think it happens in soccer in

1015
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: Europe and it happens in football out here, and it's like,

1016
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: you got to be careful with those head injuries, man,

1017
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Like that, right, you trained a dude for for five

1018
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: to ten years to lift four hundred pounds over his

1019
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: head and then afterwards you left him with zero money

1020
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: and zero accountability. So yeah, he's probably gonna add tons

1021
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: of scarring in his brain. Like there is sure. It

1022
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: is really sad what happens to those players in the NFL.

1023
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's such a grinding and look,

1024
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: O J came from a time where you could get

1025
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: rich like he was one of the lucky ones, like

1026
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: he had a career after the NFL commercials everything. So

1027
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: even then I do think that, and look all the

1028
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: stuff that we know he did, the abusing of Nicole,

1029
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: the like incidents of rage and the hotel room and

1030
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: on the streets of Miami, like that ship I can

1031
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: attribute to CTE. Is he not guilty? That dude is

1032
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: still very guilty of that, but it is. It is

1033
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: a sad circumstance. And I think to your earlier point,

1034
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: the hope would be that we we figure out a

1035
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: way because I think the only way to check for

1036
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: ct right now is for yeah, you have to be

1037
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: dead and like pull the brain apart, which is so sad.

1038
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: They gotta figure out a way to find that in

1039
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: some sort, Yeah, to figure out a way to track

1040
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: it early. And then to your point, get people the

1041
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: help that they need, even if you know they have

1042
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: committed times. Ultimately getting them into some kind of service

1043
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: where they can be held accountable but also get better

1044
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: from whatever this ship is is the goal. Here's what

1045
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: they gotta do. Get rid of helmets in the NFL. No, lie,

1046
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: if there are no helmets, look at these rugby dudes.

1047
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: They're not getting the same injuries because they're not taking

1048
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: the same risks. Yeah, I'm not going to skull like

1049
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: missile head first. Like, I just really want the Washington

1050
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: football team to win. I can't. I can't. It's very

1051
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: upsetting to me. But absolutely, is that a conspiracy? I

1052
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: don't think so. Like, I think it's probably just you

1053
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: might as well assume O J had it. The amount

1054
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: of miles on him as a running back and the

1055
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: amount of the load he took and the way he ran,

1056
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: It's sure. I think the conspiracy was more of what

1057
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: you have it you want. Yeah, it's like a get

1058
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: out of jail free car. It's like, no, no, no,

1059
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: I earned my brain to get out of jail free

1060
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: card was that he was famous and rich. There there

1061
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: it is. We did it, Sean. This is a fantastic time.

1062
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you did it. Could you tell the

1063
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: people where they could find you any cool stuff? Yeah,

1064
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: just check on my Patreon at uh patreon dot com

1065
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: slash Sean Distant. I'm like you mentioned, I'm doing this

1066
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles podcast where we talk about all the Ninja

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Speaker 1: Turtles movies with Scott Ackerman. And uh, it's real fun.

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Speaker 1: There's other other improv on there and and a lot

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Speaker 1: of other fun stuff coming and um yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: look out for some got it. There's some shows coming

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Speaker 1: out but I don't even know when, so I can't

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Speaker 1: really promote them. But there's some stuff on the res

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Speaker 1: and so just check it out, okay, hell yeah uh

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Speaker 1: And as always, you can follow me at lank stint Herman.

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Speaker 1: And please, if you have drops, if you have conspiracies

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Speaker 1: of your own, if you have voicemails you would like

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Speaker 1: to send us, please leave them all at my Mama

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Speaker 1: pod at gmail dot com. We would love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. Otherwise, I don't know by keep govern the

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Speaker 1: brown mades my crop chips in your hands. All Quala

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Speaker 1: bears were racist, the whole school players from oost the

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Speaker 1: Money version defny turkey stuff. I can't tell me. God,