1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,319 Speaker 1: More fallout from this story that Hunter Biden has basically 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: been working as a spy for the Chinese Communist government, 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: had a mole at the FBI who is tipping him 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: off as an informant of the Chinese government of any 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: investigations into his Chinese business partners. Now, this obviously should 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: be wall to wall coverage from the media. It is not. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Why because why would you want to bring this up 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: if you're the media, right, This just makes the president 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: look bad. It makes a son look really bad, like 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: he's an actual spy for China. It was being paid 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: to do this. This is what spying is. They were 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: making millions off of this. Just understand that millions of 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: dollars were coming into the bank accounts of the Biden 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: crime family, and there was something that China needed in 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: return for this intel. When you have a spy who 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: is giving you that tell, okay, then this is what 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: you get. You get the intel when you're being investigated, 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: when they're looking at you. It's called a warning. Hey, 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: they're about to nail you. Get out of America right, 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: flee the country, run away. Miranda Divine, who wrote the 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: book Laptop from Hell, when on Tucker Carlson's show. She's 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the first one to break this reporting. Here is a 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: little bit more about this mole and this Chinese financial 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: arrangement for Hunter Biden to spy on the US government 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: on behalf of China. Listen, we don't know. Miranda Devine 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: is on the story as it developed. She joins us 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: to me, So those are the outlines. An I apologized, 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: apologize if I've mistated them, but we just kind of 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: sum the suppisces an amazing story. It seems like, look, Chachery, 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: it's actually Bizare. I mean, it's another Bizare twist on 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: an already bizare story about the Biden family and the 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: cast of characters involved in their influence peddling scheme around 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: the world. And doctor gal Luft is the latest one. 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: He is an Israeli energy expert, a professor. He was 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: arrested in Cypress, as you said, and he's still in 36 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: a Cypress jail. He's charged, apparently with gun running and 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: para violations and various things. And he claims that he 38 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: is innocent and that he's only been arrested to shut 39 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: him up about what he knows about the Biden family business. 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of his story does check out. 41 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: He is regarded in his orbit in Washington, DC, as 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's well regarded. He's a legitimate energy expert, 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: he's a former high ranking officer in the Israeli Defense Force, 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: has multiple degrees. And he also talks about this FBI 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: mole that he claims Hunter Biden used to tip off 46 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: his Chinese partners that there was an FBI investigation into them, 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: And there is some corroboration of that from the reporting 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: that we've already done from the laptop. We know that 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden did have contacts within the FBI. We know 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: that he used them to benefit at least one of 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: his Chinese business partners, Patrick Hoe, And when Patrick Hoe 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: was arrested at JFK by the FBI, Hunter Biden then 53 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: contacted his FBI contacts and we don't know what they 54 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: did for him, but that sort of accords with this 55 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: story that's coming from Gal Laughed, and Gal Laughed worked 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: for three years in Washington, d C. With Hunter Biden's 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: Chinese business partners. That checks out too, so he when 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: he says that those business partners told him about what 59 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: the bidens were up to the hundreds of thousands of 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: dollars that he knew about that was going to Hunter 61 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: and his uncle Jim Biden every month, and their contact 62 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: with this FBI mole. It does just bolsters I guess 63 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: the reporting we've done from the laptop so quickly. This guy, 64 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: the Israeli energy expert. As he was being arrested, he 65 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: tweeted it and said, they're arresting me to shut me up. 66 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: I have the facts about Hunter Biden. He's a smart guy. 67 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: Social media is still up if you want to see it. 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: It confirms he's a very smart person. Has he had 69 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: anything else to say from his jail and cypress? Do 70 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: we know? Look through his lawyer, which is the only 71 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: way I've been able to talk to him. He certainly 72 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: has other allegations, but without documents or other evidence to 73 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: back it up, you know, it's difficult to report those. 74 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: He did get bail from the Cypriot courts a couple 75 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, but that has been vigorously opposed by 76 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: US authorities. And I'm told by Gal Luft's lawyer that 77 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: the ambassador in Cyprus is putting a lot of pressure 78 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: to keep him in jail. They want to extradite him 79 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: to the US. On these charges of gun running and 80 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: so on, which really baffle that people in Washington who've 81 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: known Galla for a long time and they say that's 82 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: not really in his nature. Well, he does have the 83 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: profile of a gun runner. Might be worth a tip 84 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: to Cyprus. O. No, I love how they've accused him 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: by the way of being like this gun runner. The 86 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: guy's like, Nope, no, that's not what I am. But 87 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: when you have what he has on the Biden crime family, 88 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: and then you can come out, thank goodness and tweeted 89 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: out right before you or while you're being arrested and 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: before they're trying to extradite you to the US, that's 91 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of an important moment. Thank goodness, that moment actually 92 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: happened where this is what is being said. But this, 93 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: if you're this guy, you would think that the entire 94 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: media would be covering what you just said. Hey, I'm 95 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: being accused of a horrible crime that could take away 96 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: my life, put me in jail for a significant amount 97 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: of my life for something that I never did, all 98 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: because I have information that I tried to expose on 99 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: the Biden crime family and now they're accusing me of 100 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: being a gun runner, and without him going to Twitter 101 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: and be able to say this like, we wouldn't even 102 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: know about this, which is also another part of the problem. 103 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: He's now in this jail in Cyprus. That's also another 104 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: part of the problem. So you put all this together 105 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: and you sit here and you go, all right, So 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: was Hunter Biden working for the Chinese? And let's just 107 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: deal with facts, Okay, So let's just back this up 108 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: and go through the facts. Are we one hundred percent 109 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: for sure that Hunter Biden was making money off of 110 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist government? Yes? Are we a hundred percent 111 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: sure that Hunter Biden was not just making money for 112 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: himself but for at least or other Biden family members 113 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: the answers, Yes, Are we one hundred percent for sure 114 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: that Biden had people in the government that we're helping 115 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: him protect his assets in China? Yes? Are we one 116 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent sure that the FBI and the deep state 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: tried to silence this story when one of his friends, 118 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: former colleagues business partners, Tony Bobolinski, actually sat down with 119 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: the FBI and told them about the Big guy and 120 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: everything the Biden crime family was doing. Yes, are we 121 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure that the FBI was clearly compromised, 122 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and that they actually tried to get the investigation into 123 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, categorized Okay as a misinformation employ so that 124 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to investigate the Biden family. The answers, yes, 125 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: and are we one hundred percent sure now that Hunter 126 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: Biden has been protected by our federal government to protect 127 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden by the deep state? The answer is yes. 128 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Is there anyone, based on what we know from the 129 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: laptop that should be surprised by the fact that Hunter 130 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Biden was in essence hired to be a spy for 131 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist government and had moles within our deep 132 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: state the FBI, that we're giving him heads up so 133 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: he could tell his Chinese counterparts that they were under 134 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: an investigation by the United States of America or they 135 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: were being surveyed. There was surveillance by the Chinese Communist government. No, 136 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: this actually makes complete sense to me. I'm not shocked 137 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: by it. We should all be outraged by it, but 138 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm not shocked by it. This is par for the course. 139 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: And why is it that the media is not answering 140 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: or asking questions about this. I want to bring in 141 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, a guest who has got a 142 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: lot to talk about when it comes to the media 143 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: not covering this Hunter Biden story. Specifically Stephen Crockener. He 144 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: is the author of a new book called Uncovered, and 145 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: it is a phenomenal book that you should get your 146 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: hands on. You can buy it wherever you buy your books. 147 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: The reason why it is a critique of the failure 148 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: specifically of the media. And when I say the failure 149 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: of the media, the failure to cover big stories. Perfect 150 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: example of this is what we just talked about with 151 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: the fact that it looks like basically Hunter Biden was 152 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: a spy for the Chinese Communist government and making getting 153 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: big payments from the Chinese Communist government, and he had 154 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: insiders who were giving him intell from the FBI, and 155 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: the media virtually is silent on this outside of Fox 156 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: NEWSMAC and Conservative talk radio. Stephen, Welcome to Ben Ferguson show. 157 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you with us. The timing 158 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: of your book couldn't have been better. And the example 159 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: is this is a massive news story. You and I 160 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: were talking about this during the break. It is huge 161 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: that you have a president's son who apparently had leakers 162 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: or intel or spies, however you want to describe it 163 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: within the FBI, that we're giving him warnings and heads 164 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: up so he could warn the Chinese when they were 165 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: being spied on by the US government or if there 166 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: were investigations open into them. Yeah, it's been I mean, look, 167 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: first of all, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 168 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: I think that it is a massive story, and it's 169 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: really it's something that is it's glaring in how the 170 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: corporate press is not covering it, because, let's be honest, 171 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: we now know that the Hunter Biden playbook going forward, 172 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: as these drip drip drip, the stories keep coming out 173 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: about this, we're seeing more and more with the congressional investigations, 174 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: They're getting closer and closer to a truth that I 175 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: think is going to really open a lot of eyes. 176 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden is going to be fighting this, you know, 177 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: talking about lawsuits, wants to sue the repair shop owner. Now, 178 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean it's completely absurd, but I think with really 179 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: key about why the corporate press is not covering this 180 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: story and is not going to be covering the other 181 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: stories that are going to be coming out as much 182 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: as they really should if they had you any objectivity 183 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: in covering what a juicy story. This is about power 184 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and the coziness between our government officials and our elites 185 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: and others in other countries like China and Uka. The 186 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: reason is, frankly, as I lay out in the first chapter, 187 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I've uncovered how they covered the laptop originally the Hunter 188 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Biden laptop story. In October of twenty twenty, the New 189 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: York Post breaks the story, and I think it was 190 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: truly one of the worst coverages that we've seen by 191 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the corporate press, frankly in the entire Trump era, because 192 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: it actually signaled what was to come down the road, 193 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: because instead of just covering it incorrectly, which clearly they did, 194 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: they like you, pretending that it was Russian disinformation. And 195 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: when they covered it at all, we then saw the 196 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: next step, which was the absolute collusion, the sort of 197 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: elite censorship racket between tech platforms, the posiness that they 198 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: had with intel agencies like the FBI and other government 199 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: agencies like we now know now thanks to the Twitter 200 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: files and the corporate media themselves to censor and suppress 201 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: this content to make it unprecedented. The link could not 202 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: be shared to the New York Post story and there 203 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: was not universal outrage in the media on behalf of 204 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: their colleagues at the New York Post. Instead, it was 205 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the other direction. They were journalists who dared to share 206 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: a link to the New York Post and say, I 207 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: wonder what the sourcing on this or as I wonder 208 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: if the Biden campaign will respond? They were locked out 209 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: of their account, and as I recount through uncovered, they 210 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: then apologized for daring to link to this story. It 211 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: was an embarrassing moment. And then frankly, Ben, that's exactly 212 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: why I think we're not going to get the coverage now, 213 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: because if we did, that would mean that the introspection 214 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: it would take in how they covered it originally, how 215 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: they cover that laptop and the contents of that laptop, 216 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: would be too embarrassing for them to look at, because 217 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: it was very clear that they were not serving the 218 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: purpose of being objective journalists, of having principles. They didn't 219 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: do that in a moment, and I think that if 220 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: they cover it now, it only exposes what they did 221 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: wrong in the first place. You mentioned one aspect of 222 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: this story, and I want to get your take on 223 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: another part of it, and that is if you went 224 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: back ten years, fifteen years. You've been working in media 225 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: as long as I have. We both started this industry 226 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: very young. There was an obligation, even if you were 227 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: a liberal journalist, to cover a story as massive as 228 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: the president was Sun his essence was spying on behalf 229 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: of the Chinese Party, who was paying him for this, 230 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: that would have been covered. Is it fair to say 231 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: that journalism as a whole is completely dead? And now 232 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: it is one hundred percent propaganda, pick aside, And that's 233 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: where we are now, and there's no change in sight. 234 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: Because you also look at the Twitter files, and it 235 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: was clear that there were journalists that were taking orders 236 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party, the DNC. They were taking orders 237 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: from Hillary Clinton's campaign, They were taking orders on the 238 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: Steel dossier, they were taking orders from Fusion GPS, and 239 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: they were taking orders to sell a lie to the 240 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: American people. And if you really go back to forget 241 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's name, I'm just talking about the actual impeachment. 242 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: It was a it was a coup attempt, and the 243 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: media was the ones that were selling and leading the 244 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: coup attempt. I do think look at Benna. I was 245 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: at CNN not too long ago. I know a little 246 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: bit before where you were at that one point. But 247 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: when I was there from twenty ten to twenty thirteen, 248 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: that was not that long ago. And there were valid 249 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: criticisms of CNN at the time, for sure, and I 250 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: recount some of those stories in Uncovered in chapter six, 251 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: where I talked about my own experience there, but buying large, 252 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: what I found was that yes, journalists in that news 253 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: that I worked with likely leaned left, They likely voted 254 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: for Democrats when they voted at all. But there is 255 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: still the thought of we need to try to be objective, 256 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: we need we are a rare occupation where we need 257 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: to suppress our personal feelings on behalf of what our 258 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: job description is, which is to give the truth, no 259 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: matter where it leads, serve the audience. That was still 260 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: the goal. But what we saw in subsequent years, beginning 261 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: I think in twenty fourteen, but certainly accelerating during the 262 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: Trump era and thanks to Trump, is that the guardrails 263 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: completely came off and no longer was it about objectivity 264 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: at all. In fact, in the book, I have more 265 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: than two dozen interviews, all of them are on the record. 266 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: One of them which I was very, very transparent and 267 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: very Candid was a former New York Times journalist who 268 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: told me that there are people in the newsroom now, 269 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: younger people who believe that objectivity is akin to white supremacy. 270 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: And when you have people like that, and those people 271 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: can exert real power through social media and through pressure 272 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: of pains, can get their bosses to take actions one 273 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: way or another, those are the kinds of people that 274 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,239 Speaker 1: are controlling the news rooms and controlling the direction of journalism. 275 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I think that no longer there's even 276 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: a goal of objectivity in a lot of these cases, 277 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: and that's really concerning. Yeah, the fact that there doesn't 278 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: even seem to be a goal here of objectivity. Another 279 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: example that you talk about, and at one that I 280 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: think it's also very glaring here is you go back 281 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: to the controversy Steve about and again, grab your book. 282 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: It's an incredible book right now that is out. You 283 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: can get it wherever you get your books uncovered. This 284 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: book also talks about some of the bias and the 285 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: fact the other United States Senator Tom Cotton, who wanted 286 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: to write an op ed that was not controversial for 287 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: the New York Times, and the fallout from that moment 288 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: remind people of just how insane that the media. And 289 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I say the media because they're the ones that lost 290 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: it in the newsroom at the New York Times went yeah, 291 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, but I spend a lot of time covering 292 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: this story in chapter ten of Uncovered, because I think 293 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: it was it was a really pivotal moment and explained 294 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: so much of where journalism is today. So yes, June 295 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty were imagine this time, we're in the 296 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: height of COVID, the especially people in New York and 297 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: DC newsrooms, like where so many of our selling media 298 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: is based, Like in the New York Times, they are 299 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: lockdown in their own apartments. They're spending way too much 300 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: time on Twitter and watching cable news and not interacting 301 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: with people. And then the Tom Cotton op ed hits, 302 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: which is basically an argument. It was titled Sending the Troops. 303 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: It was an argument to get the military involved when 304 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: there were riots, not in protests, not in peaceful protests, 305 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: but in the riots that were happening as offshoots of 306 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: these social justice protests. After George Floyd. And first of all, 307 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: as I explained Tom Cotton, this was his third time 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: writing an OpEd for the New York Times. He was 309 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: he was a regular writer there, but this one really 310 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: took off and it happened. I quote people that were 311 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: in those New York Times meetings, the Zoom meetings, that 312 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: people were crying. There was a description of a writer 313 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: who was crying because he said that his friends wouldn't 314 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: talk to him anymore because he worked for the New 315 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: York Times, which published this horrible out ed and then 316 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: it's spilled out publicly, and a bunch of journalists at 317 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: the New York Times and activists got together and tweeted 318 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: a phrase that was publishing this column puts the lives 319 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: of black New York Times staffers in danger. And it 320 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: was that implication that it was dangerous to publish this 321 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: column that got action from their bosses. They fired the 322 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: opinion editor, James Bennett at the time. There was further 323 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: fallout from it. And what it really shows is a 324 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: couple of things. First of all, they were able to 325 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: see that even at the New York Times, the height 326 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: of journalism in theory, they could get these people could 327 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: get really get action and get someone fired for no 328 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: reason at all. But also it's a fundamental misunderstanding these 329 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: people that believe that publishing words is dangerous, They don't 330 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: belong in journalists, and then yet they are the norm 331 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: now out the exception. And that's we've seen this play 332 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: out in story after stories where in years later that 333 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: there is this fundamental misunderstanding of what journalism is supposed 334 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: to be. And these are the people in a lot 335 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: of cases that are controlling these newsrooms. Steve and I 336 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: want to ask you about COVID. We forget just how 337 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 1: insane the media went on the issue of COVID. We 338 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: know that doctor Fauci was sending emails to silence and 339 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: censor different people that he didn't like. We know that 340 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: Twitter from the Twitter files was getting emails directly from 341 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: our government on things and stories and to take down. 342 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: You look at overall the COVID coverage and the manipulation, 343 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: it is just completely shocking how the media worked as 344 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: a propaganda machine, as a pr machine of doctor Fauci 345 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: and others around him who wanted to lock down and 346 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: shut down and silence anyone that asks basic questions about 347 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: the Wuhan Institute of Ra, about Ghana function research, anybody 348 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: that was asking tough questions. They wanted them silence. This 349 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: included elected officials. Yeah, you know, but I I spend 350 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: a lot of time on COVID in my book because 351 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: I actually think that this is a media story as 352 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: much as it is about the medical establishment, about the 353 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: Faucis of the world, because you know, one of the 354 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: people who Fauci specifically censored was doctor j. Bodcaria. I 355 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: speak to him on the record in the book about that. 356 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: It was not just that Fauci and the medical establishment 357 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: censored him, but they worked in concert with places like 358 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: the New York Times and other outlets to spin this 359 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: narrative that they were quacks, that they were dangerous people, 360 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: when really j Ja Bodataria was a Stanford expert medical professor, 361 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: and he understood that in his plan, the Great Barrington 362 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Declaration was simply about focused protections. Instead of walking down 363 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: the entire country, we need to, you know, target the 364 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: senior citizens and candle that in a different way and 365 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: not so you know, one size fits all. That was 366 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: all he was saying. And he was treated so poorly 367 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: by the media because they were being spun by the 368 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Faucies of the world. And I think it's such an 369 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: important example because Frankly Bennett, I don't have a lot 370 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: of hope for the corporate media getting better anytime soon. 371 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: So what I try to do and uncovered is arm 372 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: the readers with the tools they need to sniff out 373 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: when the press is lying or misleading them. And I 374 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: think that the COVID lab link theory, which you mentioned 375 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: is one a good example of this, because here you 376 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: have a case from the very beginning you have to 377 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: at the bare minimum, there was evidence on both sides there. 378 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: It could have been the lab leak, it could have 379 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: been natural origin. But but what was interesting was one 380 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: side was saying the other side was dangerous, that the 381 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: Lableak theory was this dangerous piece of disinformation and racist. 382 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: And what does that tell us? And I quote Nate 383 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 1: Silver of ABC in the book, who says that when 384 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: you have an argument and this applies beyond just the 385 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: lableak theory, and there's evidence on both sides, and there's 386 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: experts on both sides, but only one side is concerned 387 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: with policing the discourse, concerned with shutting the other side up. 388 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: That's the side you need to be skeptical, and that's 389 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: the side that's usually wrong. And I think we see 390 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: this in so many examples in the media, and certainly 391 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: did with COVID. When you see Fauci and also the 392 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: way that he was working behind the scenes, there had 393 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: to be a whole other level of comfort from him 394 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: and others that and I would argue they didn't just 395 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: learn this during COVID. They had been doing this and 396 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: communicating behind the scenes where there's barely any difference between 397 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the media in DC and the elected officials in DC. 398 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: This wasn't their first time to basically send these backdoor 399 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: messages and what to cover, what to not cover, what 400 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: to silence. This was part of their game plan the 401 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: entire time, and they've been doing it for years. They have, 402 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: and I think one of the great I have to 403 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: say benefits of Twitter, because I actually think Twitter is 404 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: disastrous for the corporate medium. It's one of the five 405 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: big problems and that I lay out and uncovered. But 406 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: I think it's good for the public because what it 407 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: does is it pulls back the curtain. The veil is 408 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: now off now because the media, the corporate press, is 409 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: one of the few occupations that streets Twitter like it's 410 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: their diary, and yet it's all public. We can all 411 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: see it, and for the first time, you can actually 412 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: begin to understand how these narratives are built. You see 413 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: the sausage and how it's made. You see even there 414 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: might be good journalism being done, but then it's undermined 415 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: by the people themselves, who then spill their opinions on 416 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: all sorts of topics on social media for the world 417 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: to see. And I think it's a really valuable service. Look, 418 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: two percent of adult Americans send out ninety percent of 419 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: the tweets when it comes to news and politics. That is, 420 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: it's so unrepresentable. It is just a bubble. But it 421 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: is important because it's what the press uses to talk 422 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: to each other. And now we can actually see it, 423 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: we can actually see all of the propaganda being made 424 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: as it's happening. Last day, I want to ask you 425 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: about TikTok. We've seen the CEO of TikTok basically admit 426 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: that China is spying on everyone that has this app 427 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: on the phone. Half of Americans apparently have the TikTok 428 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: app on their phone. Democrats are still out defending it, saying, well, 429 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: this is no different than Facebook on your phone. That's 430 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 1: actually not true at all. Why do you, I mean, 431 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: you look at this even Jimmy Kimmel got this wrong 432 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: on his show, and I played this earlier. Jimmy Kimmel 433 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: was laughing about TikTok spying on you, and I was 434 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: sitting there just scratching my head. I'm like, you don't 435 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: get it. They realize that a social media app was 436 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: the drug that they needed to get you addicted to, 437 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: and the dopamine that you get from watching videos was 438 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: what they needed, right, was what and they figured it 439 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: out early on. This is a once in a lifetime 440 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to masquerade a app, social media app for spying purposes, 441 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: and it worked. We also know that China has come 442 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: out since the hearing saying we will not allow for 443 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: TikTok to be sold to an American company. So if 444 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: you don't think that Chinese communist government is running TikTok, 445 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: you're an idiot. And you look at this, and yet 446 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: Democrats are still out there defending TikTok, saying, oh, it's fine, 447 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: Oh people are overreacting. Oh it's really not that big 448 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: of a deal. Yeah. I think this is a This 449 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: is a key example because, as you mentioned, it's not 450 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: just Democrats but also a Washington Post tech reporter who 451 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: apparently is having lunch with the CEO of TikTok and 452 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: then on social media is essentially acting as their publicist, 453 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: and yet he's treated like he's an objective reporter. What's 454 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: happening here, Well, it really relates to one of the 455 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: more nuanced biases that we see in the media that 456 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I write about and uncovered. It's not just ideological, it's 457 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: also a response mechanism. A lot of times the people 458 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: that are ideologues. And again this is not most of 459 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: the country, even people on the left. In most of 460 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: the country and Texas where I am and you are, 461 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: people are not ideological in that way. So but in 462 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: the corporate press they are. And what happens is a 463 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: story is being is bubbling up in right wing media. 464 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: The story is bubbling up among Republicans and Congress and 465 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: is an instant reaction. They just go the other way, 466 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: depends them, just goes the other way with it with 467 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: an instinctual it's not they don't even think about it, 468 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: and they treat the one side as if it's toxic 469 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: and contaminated. And I lay this out in so many 470 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: examples in the book, and I think this is a 471 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: very clear case of that here. If you step back 472 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: and you really think about it, why is the left 473 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: against this concept that TikTok is spying on us and 474 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: that China's in bup and we need to look out 475 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: for our kids. This is just genuine, normal conversation and 476 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: it makes sense to any rational persons. But as an 477 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: instant reaction from the corporate press, from the Democrats in Congress, 478 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: this is what we get and it doesn't serve the 479 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: audience because of course they want a nuanced discussion about it, 480 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: and they are not getting it. Yeah, they're definitely not 481 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: getting it. As you said, the book, it's great uncovered. 482 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: Get it wherever you get your books. Stephen Cracker, I 483 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. Congrats on writing this and it's 484 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of good intel in there. Grab a copy 485 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: of it today and we'll have you back against sin 486 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: brother hey man, thanks so much, appreciate it. Don't forget 487 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: to share our podcasts with your family and friends so 488 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: more people can hear what we're exposing for you. Also, 489 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: please write us a five star review. It helps us 490 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: reach a new audience and we'll see you back here tomorrow.