1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: O welcome in appreciate all of you as we roll 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: through the Thursday edition of the program. Rejoice, the government 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: is back open. Last night, President Trump at ten twenty 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: four pm Eastern officially signed the bill, put on his 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: desk from the House, and we are now back up 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: and running. And let's go ahead and take you into 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: that evening event. If if you missed it, as many 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: of you may have already been in bed, or you 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: may not have been paying attention. Here is what Trump 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: said last night, sitting at the Resolute desk in the 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Oval Office as he officially began the process of opening 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: the government by signing the bill Cut three. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I just want to tell you the country has never 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: been in better shape. We went through this short term 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: disaster with the Democrats because they vote it would be 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: good politically, and it's an honor now to sign this 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: incredible bill and get our country working again. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: One more thing, Bucky also said, for forty three days, 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Democrats had no argument. That argument has not changed. This 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: is cut four. 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: For the past forty three days, Democrats in Congress shut 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: down the government of the United States and an attempt 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: to extort American taxpayers for hundreds of billions of dollars 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: for illegal aliens and people that came into our country 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: illegally from gangs, from. 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Prisons, from mental institutions. 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: They wanted to pay them one point five trillion dollars, 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: which would have really hurt our healthcare businesses and our 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: recipients and levels never seen before. Today, we're sending a 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: clear message that we will never give into extortion, because 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: that's what it was they tried to extort. The Democrats 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: tried to extort our country. 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: Okay, So I think the number one question most people have, 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: including myself, and I'm curious how you would break this 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: down in terms of the likelihood, is what is going 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: to come next? 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: Buck? 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Is I'm glad that we are now back open. The 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Democrats gained absolutely nothing. They seem to have made this 41 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: choice despite the fact that there was no benefit to 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: them at all. Why will they not just do this again, 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe multiple times in twenty twenty six as we come 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: up on the midterm elections. That's question one for you, Buck, 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and I think for everybody out there too. And the 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: second part here, I don't understand why we can't modify 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: the filibuster in this particular fashion where we don't allow 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the minority party to shut down the government just over 49 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: having basically a tantrum. My concern is, yes, Democrats have 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: recognized after forty three days, hey, we didn't gain anything. 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Trump's not gonna bend, but they may still believe that 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: they gained politically. So my concern is why would they 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: not do this potentially multiple times in the upcoming year 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: with the election cycle. 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think that the midterm is going to be 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: something of people over use the term referendum. Right, First 57 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: of all, what is it? You know, what does a 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 4: referendum really mean? A lot of people don't know how. 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 5: Much of a referendum it would it would be. 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: But I think the midterms will factor into the assessment 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 4: of whether this kind of tactic is effective or not 62 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: because a lot of the narrative is going to be 63 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: built off of this, Right, There's going to be a 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: lot of posturing about how we fought, we stood up 65 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: to Trump, and I think they'll see this as an 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: opening to talk about healthcare, the problem Democrats have, and 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: this is getting really deep into it and Clay, this 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: feels like something that has been building for a long time, 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: because again, I started talking about politics for a living 70 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: Right around it was the Tea party era, right around 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 4: when Obamacare was the thing. Right, Obamacare was the big 72 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: fight in this country politically at how it was, how long, 73 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 4: how far back we're going now, we're talking fifteen years. 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: And they managed to with the obvious advantages they had 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: in the media and the whole apparatus around Obama himself 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: and the worship and everything, they managed to both roll 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: out the good ease, Oh you can be on your parents' plan. 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: Oh we're going to expand coverage. Oh we're gonna make 79 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 4: mental health and physical health give it parody and all this, 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 4: all these things if people go, oh, well, that sounds 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: kind of good. With this promise of you're gonna keep 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: your doctor, it's going to bring down costs, it's going 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: to make the health care system more efficient, all of 84 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: that is a total failure. In fact, it's worse than 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: a failure because it went in the other direction. It 86 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: made you know, it's one thing to not achieve your goal, 87 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: it's another thing to make it worse. If I was 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 4: giving somebody, you know, special diet cookies and they didn't 89 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 4: lose weight, that's bad. If they gained fifty pounds, that's 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: even worse. That's what the Obama care bill has actually done. 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: And I think that healthcare is going to be a 92 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: big part of what the mid terms because healthcare goes 93 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: right into affordability. You're gonna hear that word affordability. I 94 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: might add, ad nauseum. You're all gonna get sick of it. 95 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: We're all gonna get sick of talking about it. But 96 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: it matters is this. This is the new version of 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: kitchen table economic issues. So clay about the shutdown, I 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: think it's the beginning phase of Democrats trying to convince 99 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 4: the American people enough of them that they can regain power. Remember, 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: they're not trying to gain they're not trying to convince you, 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: me or this audience. But they're trying to regain power 102 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 4: through convincing enough Americans that they stand against They stand 103 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: against Trump. That's point one, no matter what that means, 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: we stand against Trump, yes, no kings. And point two, 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: we're going to make your life style more affordable. Somehow, 106 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be the whole, the whole thing. 107 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: They don't want to say, we're gonna kick open the 108 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: borders and let criminals run wild on the streets. 109 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: That was kind of a loser for them in twenty four. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: That wasn't a good That wasn't a good take. But 111 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: I still think they're gonna do it again. And so 112 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're saying, what are the 113 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: consequences for Democrats doing this? Yes they have an internal 114 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: civil war, Yes Chuck Schumer is under siege, but I 115 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: don't know that they actually lost anything. And if anything, 116 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: I think there's an incentive to try this again, which 117 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: is why I would solve this. And I'm saying this 118 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: on behalf of Republicans who may be the minority party again. 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: Almost certainly at some point in the next decade, Republicans 120 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: won't have control of the Senate. Why in the world 121 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: would we not put in place procedures to stop this 122 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: from happening, Because leave aside the temper tantrum aspect of it, 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm concerned. And I know you talked about this in 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: air traffic control error that led to the deadliest plane 125 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: crash if I remember, was it in Brazil. You were 126 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: talking about buck where five hundred people died when planes 127 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: when two planes collided. My concern is we created a 128 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: situation where that could happen in the United States when 129 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: all the air traffic control guys and gals are not 130 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: getting paid what they should have gotten paid. They're not 131 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: getting their paychecks, and we started to have to restrict 132 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the amount of flow of airplanes all over the country, 133 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: and so many of you got caught up in the chaos. 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: We could have had a real disaster there. That's the 135 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: area I would argue of our federal government that is 136 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: most important given the consequences of being wrong. In fact, 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: I know you're a big fan of this show too. 138 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: Remember one of the seasons of Breaking Bad actually opens 139 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: with an air traffic controller losing track of what's going 140 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: on and allowing two planes to collide in the air. 141 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: For those of you out there that are also big 142 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Breaking Bad fans, but I don't understand why we have 143 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: allowed this process to occur and why we would continue 144 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: to allow it to occur. To me, if we modified 145 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: the filibuster when it comes to Supreme Court appointments, then 146 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: why in the world would we not modify the filibuster 147 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: to stop the minority party from effectively throwing a temper 148 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: tantrum and shutting down the government like this? That to 149 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: me seems like an easy resolution going forward. 150 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: There there was a lot of talk from Trump about 151 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 4: getting rid of the filibuster. 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: And then they're getting rid of the whole philibuster block 153 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: is a step too far. 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 4: But this is to me, would it makes sense. This 155 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: is what I'm gonna say, is that this is the 156 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: halfway measure is well on this one, On this one, 157 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 4: we are going to change the rule now. To be 158 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: fair and to be clear, Harry Reid did something of 159 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: a halfway measure with the judges too, right. It was 160 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: for federal judges but not for Supreme Court. And then 161 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 4: when we were in the majority, we were like, you 162 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: know what, you're gonna play that game. We're gonna play 163 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: that game. So there's something of an arms race that 164 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: occurs within the Senate procedural rules that we will be 165 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: engaging in here. But if you want Trump to be 166 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: able to have a functional government and not just allow 167 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: Democrats to throw tantrums like this, then I think that 168 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: this then I think it makes a lot of sense 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: to do. We just have to understand that there will 170 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: be a cost, there will be a consequence on the 171 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: other side at some point. I do think there's understanding 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: already Clay among Republicans and among the Trump faithful, among 173 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: all the Trump voters out there. Democrats will be back 174 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 4: in power at some point. You know, the triumphalism of 175 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: the first six months, because it felt like such a 176 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: sound and resounding defeat of Kamala and the forces of 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: evil also known as Democrats, that has given way a 178 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: little bit too. Oh wow, they can still make people 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: like Spamberger win in Virginia. Kamala was closer than we think, 180 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 4: as awful as she was, and that's what I always 181 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 4: like to remind people of. They almost won with kamalaw 182 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: and they did win. I know, the Shenanigans, but they 183 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 4: did win with a dementia patient and Joe Bias. So 184 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 4: there's a lot of Democrats out there everybody, and a 185 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: very powerful machinery around them. So we need to be 186 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: prepared not just for this midterm, but get ready for 187 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: what things are going to look like if and when 188 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: they take power again. All right, you want to set 189 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: up this conversation. 190 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead, because we talked about it yesterday the 191 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: H one B visas and some of you may have 192 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: strong opinions. In fact, I'll open up the phone lines 193 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: on this eight hundred and two A two two eight 194 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: A two for people who have used H one B 195 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: visas before business owners management, I would be interested in 196 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: hearing your experience. I candidly have not ever as a 197 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: business owner, been involved in anything involving these visas. But 198 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: there was a significant discussion between more Ingram who is 199 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: very opposed to these, and President Trump, who in general 200 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: has been in favor of them. And you mentioned yesterday, 201 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Buck that this kind of blew up. It was during 202 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Christmas break, if I remember correctly, the Vike Ramaswami stepped 203 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: into the H one B VisAD discussion on social media 204 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: and he hasn't even been that active. Viveke hasn't on 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: social media buy and large since. 206 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 5: Look, you know I was. 207 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: I've talked to Vike Vike a little bit in the past. 208 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 4: I was very skeptical of his run because to me, 209 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: it felt like it was just for attention in brand building, 210 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: and it was successful in that regard. But I liked 211 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: a lot of what he said, and I think a 212 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: lot of what he said was in earnest. That tweet 213 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 4: was one of the worst self destructive tweets I've ever 214 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: seen a Republican politician put out in my life because 215 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: it really it really was like a swipe at America 216 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 4: and it felt like it was something he really believed. 217 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: And that is not good. H And by the way, 218 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: you know his opponent and the Democrat opponent in Ohio. 219 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: What do you think the first thing that she's attacking 220 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: him with already on that is, I do think the 221 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: Aarica doesn't have a culture of excellence. Where do they 222 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: have a culture of excellence? Vivic explain that one to 223 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 4: Clay one of the worst tweets I've ever seen. I mean, 224 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: not as bad as writing a memoir about shooting your dog, 225 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: but but bad. 226 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: Batch We will positive is Vivik appears to be on 227 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: track to win Ohio comfortably, which would be important, and 228 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: I do think he would be a good governor. But 229 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: when we come back, I want to hear I phone 230 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: lines are open eight hundred and two two two eight 231 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: A two. I'm not wanting your opinion on this if 232 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: you haven't interacted or used these I want people out 233 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: there in our audience who have used the H one 234 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: B visas we're going to dive into this. We'll talk 235 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: about it some during the course of this hour. We 236 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: also are going to be joined by our friend Bill. 237 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: O'Reilly at the top of the next hour much to discuss, 238 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: including Bill O'Reilly. Didn't he say this? He's totally wrong 239 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: on this. 240 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: We'll have to tell him that Gavin Newsom has no 241 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: political future in the Democrat Party basically as a president. 242 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: We may tag team Uncle Bill on this one, Clay, 243 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: but just remember he's got old man strength. 244 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: You know that is certainly true. I' getting to be 245 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: an old man. I think I'm starting to have some 246 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: old man strength. 247 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 4: But what is it about You reach an age and 248 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: the grip, the grip strength that you have is like terrifying, 249 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 4: you know all you're like. 250 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Just it's like when people used to say that somebody 251 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: was farm strong. It's like you have lived a life 252 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: where you if you are physically active, it's carrying around kids, 253 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: it's dragging the chairs to the beach. It's just all 254 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: of the non gem related muscle musculature. 255 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: It adds up to what it's like. I don't think 256 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: Uncle Bill would be be great at deadlifting, but I 257 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: think he could probably crack a billiard ball in his 258 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: left hand, like no problem. So we'll talk about this. 259 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 4: But h one b one. You guys loaded lines. I 260 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 4: can already see. Poor producer, Greg. I only want people 261 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: who have experienced it, not your opinion on this. I 262 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: want to hear from people that have actually used these. 263 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 4: Cell phone service is an area where you can save money. 264 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: In these days with the price of things, we all 265 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 4: want to be saving money. 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We're going 290 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: to have a discussion that we meant to have yesterday, 291 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: but we just ran out of time because we had 292 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: so much going on the show. 293 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 5: It has to do with H one B visas. 294 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: Okay, and H one B visas are very contentious for 295 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of reasons. We're going to get into, 296 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: but I want to start with this President Trump. Laura 297 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: Ingram did a really good interview on Fox News President 298 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 4: Trump and President Trump was talking about this issue, and 299 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: I think that it was a little people take out 300 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: of context, or rather aren't understanding the full context of 301 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: what Trump is saying. We'll get into this, but first, 302 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: this is the clip we do have time for, let's 303 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: play at twenty seven. 304 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 7: Does that mean the H one B visa thing will 305 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 7: not be a big priority for your administration because if 306 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 7: you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't 307 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 7: flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of And. 308 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 3: We also do have to bring in talent when we come. 309 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 7: Of talent and you know, you don't know, you don't 310 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 7: we don't have talent. 311 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and 312 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: you have to people have to learn. 313 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: You can't take people off an unemployed like. 314 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: An unemployment line and say I'm going to put you 315 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: into a factory. 316 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: We're going to make missiles or I'm going. 317 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: To how do we ever do it? Before? Well, you 318 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: and I. 319 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. 320 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: In Georgia, they rated because they wanted illegal immigrants. 321 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: They had people from from South. 322 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: Korea that need batteries all their lives. You know, making 323 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: batteries are very complicated. 324 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: It's not an. 325 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: Easy thing and very dangerous, a lot of explosions, a 326 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred 327 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 2: people early stages to make batteries and to teach people 328 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: how to do it. 329 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: Well, they wanted them to get out of the country. 330 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: You're gonna need that, Laura. I mean, I know you 331 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 3: and I disagree on this. 332 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: You can't just say a country's coming in, going to 333 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going 334 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked 335 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: in five years, and they're going to start making missiles. 336 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way. 337 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 4: Okay, Clay, this is very important. We'll get into this 338 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 4: because there has been some further explanation of it. Some 339 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: people were a little upset with the President said what 340 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: he's saying is true in context of what he's what 341 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: he's will explain in a minute. But just you asked 342 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: a really important question that I think sets the stage 343 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 4: for this really Well. They always say, well, there's only 344 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 4: sixty five thousand, h one b's a year, that's how 345 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 4: many new ones are given. There are three quarters of 346 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 4: a million h one B workers in America right now, 347 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 4: seven hundred and fifty thousand, give or take. 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Go 366 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: to saberradio dot com. That's sabr e radio dot com 367 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 4: or call eight four four eight two four Safe. 368 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 369 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. All right. 370 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: We just laid out a little bit of the details. 371 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: We played you the cut of Laura Ingram, who disagrees 372 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: with President Trump on this issue. There's a cap of 373 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: roughly eighty five thousand a year, but as Buck pointed out, 374 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: these can be multi year contracts that are brought in 375 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: the so called H one B visas for people with 376 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: special skills, they are brought into the country there. Now, 377 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: I believe Buck, under Trump is ae hundred thousand dollars 378 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: tax per H one B that is being introduced. And 379 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: these are supposedly jobs that are super skilled and difficult 380 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: to find Americans that they can do. And we got 381 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of you. I actually want to hear from 382 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: some of you. Let's start with Dave in Elk Grove, California. 383 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: You are a small business owner and you sponsored two 384 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: people come here. Give us a rough idea of why 385 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: that was necessary and what your take is on the 386 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: H one B debate. 387 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 8: Okay, so structural engineers, it's highly technical, takes great skills 388 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 8: in maths, physics, science. I'll put it in a sports analogy. 389 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 8: If you're putting a team together and you want to win, 390 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 8: you're going to draft the best players you can find 391 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 8: from wherever they're born on the plant. Okay to oppose 392 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 8: this program to me as opposing the meritocracy. Honestly, Sonya. 393 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 8: It worked out great. Sponsored one individual from Kenya, another 394 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 8: from Turkey, brought them on board, both PhD folks tremendous 395 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 8: assets contributed company, and I want to say too, we 396 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 8: paid them on par or more than others in the 397 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 8: firm because of their qualifications, so straight up it went. Also, 398 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 8: then they sponsored them through the legal process so that 399 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 8: they could become legal residents on the paths of citizenship. 400 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 8: It was a win win. 401 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: So because you're a Trump I assume you're a Trump voter, 402 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: so this is something you would agree with the president on, 403 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: not with Laura Ingram and others. Let me ask you this, 404 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: These are people that, in your opinion, they had a 405 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: skill set from these foreign countries. You could not find 406 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Americans to do the job that you hired these individuals for. 407 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: Because sometimes the counter argument is you're paying less. I 408 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: don't mean you specifically, but people who get h one 409 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: b's are paying less to foreign workers because they're desperate 410 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: to come to America instead of otherwise hiring qualified Americans. 411 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: Is that not an accurate attack in your mind based 412 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: on what you have seen in this program. 413 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 8: Absolutely, the talent pool in this highly technical world, it's 414 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 8: so thin. You have to reach out and get the 415 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 8: best talent available wherever you can find it. It's not 416 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 8: like you're going to roll out of bed and become 417 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 8: an engineer. Okay. When I was in school, we make 418 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 8: fun of the liberal arts major just because you know, 419 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 8: five units for a class where I did you know 420 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 8: true false questions versus a reunit class and statics where 421 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 8: he failed it. You were out. I mean, it's just 422 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 8: it's night and day. 423 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for the call. I mean, this is 424 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: this is so, this is where this gets a little tricky. 425 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 4: I'll just say that you're going. We can tell. We'll 426 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: take calls on both sides of this. I know and 427 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: I know people personally who fall on both sides of 428 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: this debate. They'll do some thing. Oh I hired, you know, 429 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 4: someone to do coding work from Georgia, the country, not 430 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 4: the state, and they were fantastic. Or I hired somebody 431 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: to and and I couldn't find anybody in it. Okay, 432 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: well but someone has to explain to me then a 433 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 4: few things. First of all, I mean, you can go 434 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: and find the Economic Policy Institute, for examples, one place 435 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 4: you can find all these different studies that show H 436 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: and B workers in the same role are making twenty 437 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: to thirty percent less than American American competitors. Okay, so that's. 438 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 5: We need we need to figure out whether this is 439 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 5: true or not. 440 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: I mean, if you do a simple search on this, 441 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 4: people can say, oh, no, we paid you know, we 442 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: paid Tony or Akhmed or whatever more than the role would. Okay, 443 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 4: well you can say that for the job that you hired. 444 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: But what's actually happening with the seven hundred and fifty 445 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: thousand H one B workers across the country. Also, why 446 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: are so many H one B workers from one country, 447 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 4: which is India. That's I think an interesting story in 448 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 4: and of itself. There's a lot of countries out there, 449 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 4: a lot of places that you would think would be 450 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: turning out so called talent. And remember it's supposed to 451 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 4: be talent that you can't that is not capable of 452 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: being found here in the marketplace. There are three hundred 453 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: and forty million Americans and god knows how many illegals. 454 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 4: You're you gonna tell me that there's no one who 455 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 4: can do these jobs here there's a million people that 456 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: are doing right now. To the point that Trump was 457 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 4: making play, I was at TSMC and tay one very 458 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 4: interestant time wand Trip. I've talked about it a lot. 459 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: Do we have the know how to run a fab 460 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: a fabrication facility for microchips at the level that TSMC 461 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 4: does with the current US work for No, we don't, 462 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 4: and that's very important. But they're changing that, and that's 463 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 4: what Trump was trying to talk about. I think what 464 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 4: people what bothers people is when Amazon is hiring h 465 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 4: one bs to do menial coding work or to do 466 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: phone bank stuff or you know whatever in a customer 467 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 4: service because they're cheaper and they're undercutting American workers. And 468 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 4: that is happening. So one individual story about oh but 469 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: I found this great h one b Okay, that's fine. 470 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 5: The program is being abused on a massive scale. 471 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: I think the biggest challenge to me is, let's presume 472 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: that what President Trump is saying is true and what 473 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: our call is or just said is true from ELK Grove, California. 474 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: Isn't it a huge indictment of the American educational system 475 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: if we aren't producing enough people with so called hard 476 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: education skills, which is what our caller was just talking about, 477 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: doing the hard work of going in and getting a 478 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: advanced engineering degree. My college roommate Buck went and got 479 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: a PhD in economics from Georgetown, super hard field to 480 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: get a PhD in He was the only American born 481 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: guy in his Georgetown PhD program. 482 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: They were all Asian. 483 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: And I do think this is a failure that I 484 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: think ties in with the larger educational environment. If it's 485 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: such a great advantage to get elite American academic education, 486 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: which I think to a large extent, it still is, 487 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: why would we bring in so many people from foreign countries, 488 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: train them up, and then. 489 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 4: Them back to or this is the other, This is 490 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 4: the other, huge, huge part of the argument. 491 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: This was even the case. 492 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 4: I remember a long time ago visiting an Ivy League 493 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 4: school when I was looking at schools, and the guy 494 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: running their electrical engineering department told me that that they 495 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 4: could take three classes of Chinese, of only Chinese students 496 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 4: for electrical engineering with perfect you know, perfect boards, perfect testing, 497 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 4: And he said that there's some concern they weren't really 498 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 4: all in on the some concern that may. 499 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 5: Not be a good idea. 500 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, one of the reasons I might add that 501 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: they still take Americans in a lot of these schools 502 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 4: is legacy and donation. That's why there's a lot of 503 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 4: That's a big that's a big argue. 504 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: You with me there that if there are all these 505 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: great jobs in America you mentioned seven hundred and fifty 506 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: thousand of them that require incredible educations, why isn't the 507 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: United States producing those people? 508 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 4: Look, I'm all, but this is I think that's not true. 509 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: Is the I think so overwhelmed. I think that if 510 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 4: you were to really dig into this, I'm throwing out 511 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: a number here, but based on everything I've read, and 512 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 4: I've read about this pretty extensively, ten to twenty percent 513 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: max of the H one B program as it exists 514 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 4: now is within the realm of what it's actually meant 515 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 4: to be. The rest of it is people who are 516 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 4: hiring for lower wages. You have less bargaining power because 517 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 4: you're tied to the company that you are working for. 518 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, you also get to. 519 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 4: Sponsor your family and bring them over here, and then 520 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 4: you get to try to get a green card. And 521 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 4: if you get a green card, guess what then you 522 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 4: can try chain migration and sponsor everybody else too. There 523 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 4: are huge American concerns and interests in this program that 524 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: go beyond the quarterly stock statements of whatever the company 525 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: is that is putting these people forward. Right, So that's 526 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: the part of this that people have started to hone 527 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 4: in on. 528 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: Well, the one thing I will say is at least 529 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: these immigrants have substantial skills, whereas if we're going to 530 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: be bringing in a huge immigrant population. One of the 531 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: things that I think I've reading about that kind of 532 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: stunned me, and I bet a lot of you didn't 533 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: know this data either, is the number of immigrants we 534 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: bring in that immediately go on snap. 535 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 4: Like that's a record scratch moment for me. 536 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Right, We're bringing in people who can't afford to feed themselves, 537 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: and you and me and all American taxpayers are bringing 538 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: in foreign residents. 539 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: Now intentionally, I'm not talking about it. That's a violation 540 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 4: of immigration policy. We are you are not. This is 541 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: very clear in existing statute. You are not allowed to 542 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: be in this country and be on any form of 543 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: public assistance whatsoever. Millions and millions, tens of millions of 544 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: legal and illegal immigrants are and people are waking up 545 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: to the scam. You want to talk about affordability. Let's 546 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: say there are fifteen million, and by the way, I 547 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: know that's low. Okay, I know that's low. But let's 548 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: say there are fifteen million illegals in this country. They 549 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 4: live somewhere, they live in houses. Maybe they're you know, 550 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: doubling and tripling up in some cases with that whatever. 551 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 4: But you want to talk about a housing crunch and 552 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 4: the ways that things would move markets for people that 553 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: are having a tough time affording a place. You have 554 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: fifteen million people in the country who are by the way, 555 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 4: they're not paying they're not paying income tax, so you 556 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: start to look at the goods and services that they 557 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 4: are going to consume just by being here, versus the 558 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 4: output in many cases, Clay, this is why the more 559 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: you pull out this, the more it's just been a 560 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: massive scam. The elites have sold out the American people, 561 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: and a lot the American people, all Americans. And that 562 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 4: is the part of this that I think is really 563 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: both it's critical to deal with, but also it's shocking 564 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 4: and saddening that this has happened in this country, that 565 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 4: we've been taking advantage of in this way, and Trump 566 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: is supposed to stop it. 567 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 8: Now. 568 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: He's taken some big steps, but there's a lot more 569 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: to do. Here's the scary part. And we'll take some 570 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 4: more of your calls. Eight hundred and two two two 571 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: eight A two. 572 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: I want people who have had experience with H one 573 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: VV says, I want to hear your perspectives out there 574 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: in the audience. AI may make the H one B 575 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 1: visa argument us just seem like it's so when you 576 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: look at the number of jobs that are going to 577 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: be eliminated, the idea that these jobs even exist, I think, 578 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these H one B jobs 579 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: are going to vanish as. 580 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 4: A part of AI too, which learned to code was 581 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: actually terrible advice because coding is about to Coding is 582 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: about to be a thing that you know. You know 583 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: when typing was a really unique skill. You remember we 584 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 4: learned typing class when I was in grammar school. I 585 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 4: was like, why don't you have to learn how to type? 586 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 4: What a waste of time? It turns out being able 587 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 4: to type pretty important. But everyone can do it. Now 588 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: coding is about to become a lot easier. It's going 589 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 4: to be like operating an iPhone today instead of operating 590 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: like a daw System computer in nineteen ninety and but 591 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 4: klay another thing on the H one B. Seventy five 592 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: percent of H one B visas in recent years come 593 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: from India, seventy five percent. There's over two hundred counts 594 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: in the world. This is really about. India is the 595 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: only place that's you know, you start to pull out 596 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: this too, what's going on there. 597 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 5: There's a bit of a cartel effect happening. 598 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: I think this is there's so many different angles to examine. 599 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: The one that frustrates me the most is there are 600 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: great jobs that, according to this argument, American educational institutions 601 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: are not producing enough of. 602 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: Well. 603 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 4: Well, and maybe part of the problem is, you know, 604 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 4: while we're paying NBA players thirty million, forty million dollars 605 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 4: a year, I don't even know some of these NBA players. 606 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: They're making this kind of money because they're in a 607 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 4: global marketplace for media. Right, you turn around, you say, well, 608 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: we need super geniuses coming out of you know, we 609 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: need the NBA equivalent in terms of skill set coming 610 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 4: out of our universities. Well, maybe we need to pay 611 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 4: them a lot more, and maybe our society needs to 612 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 4: get a little more attuned to we actually need people 613 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 4: who can do some of these things making a lot 614 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: of money. Look at what the money clay they've been 615 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 4: throwing around for AI recently. Crazy is astonished. But I 616 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 4: have no problem with it because you know what it's. 617 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: Really important well, and also it's the ultimate meritocracy, right 618 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: There are relatively few people with incredible talents, and if 619 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: you have those talents, you can be paid a superstar 620 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: salary on a level frankly that has never occurred before. 621 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: And again, I just I want kids to be I 622 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: love that caller because he was kind of making fun 623 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: of the liberal arts grads. 624 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 4: But you know the number of people that go to 625 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 4: elite schools. 626 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to take a shot at this, 627 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: but go to elite schools and major in gender studies 628 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: and you come out and you're twenty two and you're like, hey, 629 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: I went to I don't know, I went to Northwestern 630 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: and I got a gender studies degree. And I'm looking 631 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: around like the parents, you spent four hundred k so 632 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: your kid could get a gender studies degree at Northwestern? 633 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 4: It's a joe, what do you do? The whole system 634 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: is well, I mean Clay even I I got into 635 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: Columbia Business School in New York City, which was like, 636 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I can go to Columbia Business Goal. 637 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 4: This is fantastic. I'll get my MBA. Glenn Beck convinced 638 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: me to get in a media instead. Top five decisions 639 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 4: I've ever made, you know, number one marrying my wife, 640 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 4: and then like this is probably number three four. I 641 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 4: don't know. I'd have to think about this, but at 642 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: the time people thought I was nuts, Well, you're not 643 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 4: going to get an Ivy League MNBA. 644 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 5: Why aren't you going to do that? 645 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 4: That's such a ticket to Actually not always No, this 646 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 4: was much better. This is a lot more fun. I 647 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 4: didn't think I'd get to sit here and hang out 648 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 4: with you for fifteen hours a week and look how 649 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 4: it all happened. 650 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 651 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: Look, this is part of a big picture discussion. We'll 652 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: take some of your calls. I think it's not an 653 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: easy answer, but it is something that I think many 654 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: of you are grappling with as you contemplate the rapid 655 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: evolution that is going to occur with AI, with high 656 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: tech jobs and with the people that are going to 657 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: fill them, and how those jobs are filled. 658 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 5: Look. 659 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: I love Cozy Earth. I absolutely love this product. I 660 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: slept and sleep in their sheets, and I was thinking 661 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: about this. You ever get in your bed and the 662 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: temperature is such that if you have one big cover on, 663 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: you get too warm, and you don't have enough on, 664 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: then you get too cold. I was just sleeping under 665 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: my Cozy Earth sheets the other night. They were absolutely perfect. 666 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: Somehow they are adjusting for my temperature. I didn't have 667 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: to have a big cover yet. It's not super cold 668 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: in Nashville yet. And I just I think that this 669 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: is an incredible company with so many different awesome offerings. 670 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: And so I'm telling you right now we are what 671 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: less than six weeks I believe from Christmas. Bucks already 672 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: got his Christmas gifts. I got all my Christmas gifts 673 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: for my family in New York. Cozy Earth everything, Clay, sheets, blankets, TLEs, 674 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: pajama sets, All done, all done, Thank you. 675 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 4: That's right. 676 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: Forty percent off with code Clay right now, Cozy Earth 677 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Cozyarth dot com. My name Clay as 678 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: the promo code for forty percent off. 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Coming up in 688 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 5: a few minutes. 689 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 4: Here we'll have Uncle Bill Bill O'Reilly, a huge bestselling 690 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 4: author commentator. You all know Bill oiley latest book Confronting Evil, 691 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 4: assessing the worst of the worst. And to that, I 692 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 4: would put people who speak on speakerphone in restaurants and 693 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 4: other crowded public places the worst of the worst. Clay, 694 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 4: what say you? 695 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: I speak on speakerphone sometime, No, but I have trouble 696 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: sometimes hearing the phone. The whole the concept of using 697 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: a phone to make a phone call has basically vanished. 698 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: I can get on and you know, buy anything on 699 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: the planet and get on the internet and be great. 700 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: The phone basically doesn't work for me to have an 701 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: actual conversation on it anymore. So sometimes like I go 702 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: on speakerphone, not so much in public. But if I'm 703 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: like driving around in the car trying to talk to 704 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: somebody because otherwise I can't hear anything, the phone doesn't 705 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: exist to actually have conversations anymore. 706 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy, well, that I'm sitting here defending 707 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 4: civilization while Clay is just helping it crumble with his 708 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 4: Speakerphone use in public around other human beings play, they 709 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 4: have to listen. Sometimes I have really interesting conversations.