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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson And well let's jump right to

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Speaker 2: the news of the day, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Tom Pelisarro today reporting that the Minnesota Vikings have spurned

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Speaker 2: and he offers for JJ McCarthy. We talked about this yesterday. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this isn't super surprising, and are not considering Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: a potential signing at this point. And I think some people,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, expected Aaron Rodgers and then immediately say Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm signing then today Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this was

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Speaker 2: the reason he was waiting on. He's been taking his

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Speaker 2: time to make any options, right, yeah, weighing options in

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Speaker 2: potential if.

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Speaker 3: Your taking the Vikings gig, if that was open even

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Speaker 3: you know, right.

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Speaker 2: So there's there's a theory out there in the strat

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Speaker 2: well he's maybe he's not excited to be joining the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: or maybe he's just deciding whether he wants to put

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Speaker 2: his body through this again.

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Speaker 3: Right right, two years old, He wasn't super fun of

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Speaker 3: taking hits for much of the last year or either.

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Speaker 3: So this is a Vikings note. But I did some

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Speaker 3: more digging on Daniel Jones, and to me that that

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Speaker 3: became after knowing this about Daniel Jones, it became clear

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Speaker 3: that he was with the Vikings. He realized the Vikings

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Speaker 3: love McCarthy. McCarthy's healthy, and he thought, I have a

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Speaker 3: much better chance to beat out Richardson than I do

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Speaker 3: McCarthy because they love this kid, you know, and he's

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Speaker 3: going to be the quarterback here. And I'm sure Rogers

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Speaker 3: got that hint loud and clear, if or the Vikings

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Speaker 3: told him loud and clear.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have no idea rolling with this dude

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Speaker 2: that we trade up for. Nobody has any idea that.

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Speaker 2: No point did the Vikings say, yeah, we're interested in

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Right right, there's just been linked in all the well,

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Speaker 3: right right, right.

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Speaker 2: All along, I've been saying, why would Aaron Rodgers want

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Speaker 3: Because of that, I mean, he's not going to be

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Speaker 3: a back. It might be justin fields and.

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Speaker 2: Start the first six games of the year. McCarthy's ready

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Speaker 2: to go, and he goes right into the starting lineup,

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Speaker 2: right right, right, If you're Aaron Rodgers, you're not signing

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, throwing to Justin Jefferson's appealing, and it's

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Speaker 3: an up and coming team and it's a good offense.

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Speaker 3: It might be your last year, right, but you're not

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Speaker 3: even guarantee a starting spot. You might be, you know,

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Speaker 3: fighting with the kid in this battle. If you're not

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Speaker 3: going to win the time.

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Speaker 2: If you're fighting with the kid, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: be the starter, not going to go with the kid.

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Speaker 2: You're not going on his face exactly.

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Speaker 3: You're the backup veteran flaco, right, I mean, he's not

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Speaker 3: that of his career now. He's not the guy that

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Speaker 2: So it really comes down to to me that Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers is taking his time on this decision because he's

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Speaker 2: not sure he wants to play or not. That seems

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Speaker 2: pretty simple, right, right, right or not? Which I have

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Speaker 2: no problem with that part, right, not even if he

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Speaker 2: wants to play or not. Do I want to do

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Speaker 2: I want to do the training necessary to get my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, game days fine for those dudes. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: this time of year and all the training and all

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Speaker 3: the off the field stuff and the nutrition and the

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Speaker 3: time commitments and learning a new offense and going to

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Speaker 3: camp and moving to Pittsburgh and moving or whatever. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like it's a lot. It's a big life decision. Even

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Speaker 3: if you've done this for last twenty years or your career,

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Speaker 3: you know what, it entails, right, and your body sore,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean you're comparatively speaking, you're not as

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Speaker 2: Used to be. That's why, to me, the most sensible

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Speaker 2: thing the Steelers could do right now is resign. Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson work with George Pickens last year, knows the offense,

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Speaker 2: those DK metcalf really well, right right, those two have

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's going to be a what and

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Speaker 2: you just build. You know now what Russell Wilson does

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Speaker 2: and can't and doesn't do. If your idea is to

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Speaker 2: that would be my plan.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want a couple layers there. You

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Speaker 3: don't want to be stuck with Rogers or bust If,

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Speaker 3: which is everybody his right, he decides he's only a

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Speaker 3: football player anymore. It was a host Shepard year. He

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Speaker 3: has other interest to, you know, or just go to

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Speaker 3: the back show everyone's to. I mean he can. He

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Speaker 3: has plenty of options, and then you're stuck with nothing.

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Speaker 3: By no means if you took your approach and signed

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Speaker 3: Wilson this minute, would it prohibit you from drafting or

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Speaker 3: doing any quarterback position at all? And I tend to

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Speaker 3: think his price has to be cheaper now than it

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Speaker 3: was a week and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: How could not be right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the number would be on Wilson,

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Speaker 3: but I bet it's not bad.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have the bird in hand. That's just that's

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Speaker 2: just the way I feel about it. I understand, and

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Speaker 2: I understand You've got Mason Rooto off there, so that's

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Speaker 2: something that you've got something there. You've got a fallback

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Speaker 2: plan to the fallback.

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Speaker 3: Plan, right, I mean, there's much less a panic because

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Speaker 3: Rudolph's at least in the building then if you had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that would be I just you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they have an idea of how

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Speaker 2: long Aaron Rodgers is going to take on this decision.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that. Obviously, there has to be some dialogue.

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Speaker 3: I mean I doubt they go they need to know

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Speaker 2: You know, this can't drag into August, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I assume that he's told them it give

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Speaker 3: me a week or would be two weeks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I will say this, So the McAfee show

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Speaker 2: a hmm.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I hadn't thought of that angle obviously, but I

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Speaker 3: think they like sell out PPG or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's very popular. He's from around here, obviously

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Speaker 3: they have a great connection. Does Rogers go on there weekly?

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Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? Okay, I mean he hasn't since he's been

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Speaker 2: in this decision making process. He's in a McAfee hiatus. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it would we should time up just right. It would

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was just say, this is like, mister, all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Here comes Aaron Rodgers trotting out onto the stage in

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Speaker 2: a Steelers jersey. We're just saying I don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about this. I'm just saying you should be his manager.

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Speaker 3: You know, you should be the guy with the Jim

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Speaker 2: Up his dudes or whatever, those dude Captain loew or something, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Heenan or whatever back in the day. But that's

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Speaker 3: that's good marketing there. Have him trot out there, the

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Speaker 3: place would go bonkers. Yeah yeah, okay, well let's give

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Speaker 3: it two weeks. Give it two weeks, okay. I mean,

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Speaker 3: apparently the Steelers aren't panicking. They must feel pretty confident

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Speaker 3: of the roads they can go down.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think. There's this this feeling out

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that this is unexpected. I don't

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Speaker 3: I do believe that they were highly interested in getting

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Speaker 3: Fields done before, yes, the tampering period, but.

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Speaker 2: I also understand why Fields and his agent wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: And I like that option. I far from loved it, though,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the second I heard he's going to Jets, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck.

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Speaker 3: I hope you have a really good career, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure that.

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Speaker 2: You will or not have fun storm in the castle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, I mean so if that is left

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Speaker 3: the bag. I mean, I'm cool with it. But they

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Speaker 3: have to have avenues. I'm sure it's not just well

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Speaker 2: I mean there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Atlanta's dead with Cousins. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that the Saints are dead with Carr Wilson. I'm

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Speaker 3: not a I don't think Winston makes any sense here,

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Speaker 3: but he's going to play for somebody, somebody, right, giants,

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Speaker 3: probably probably a rookie in Winston or something like that.

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Speaker 3: None of them are perfect, but we could have said

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Speaker 3: six months ago, none of the options are perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know there's this there's this idea that

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Speaker 2: I hate Mason Rudolph. I don't hate Mason rude No, No,

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Speaker 2: I just don't on him to be my seventeen game starter.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, be the unquestioned starter to walk again

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Speaker 3: to La Trope like, I went, all, yeah, right, I'm

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Speaker 2: Who they said it, that's fantastic. We both said, boy,

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Speaker 2: that's a really good move. I did another podcast. He

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Speaker 2: starts really smart. He starts games in you know, twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, they got a viable backup here that

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Speaker 2: shown that in the past.

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Speaker 3: But this season would be an uphill climb. If we

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Speaker 3: walk into the first day of Saint Vinnie's and he's

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Speaker 3: clearly he's QB one and there's no other A.

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Speaker 2: There's no no, the unquestioned starter. Like right now, I

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Speaker 3: That's a whole different world.

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Speaker 2: I'll take curtain number two on that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question, I'm going fish on that, right. But

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Speaker 3: I am really glad he's here. I think the signing

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Speaker 2: Sense, absolutely, right, right, Absolutely, He's got respect in that

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Speaker 3: I think he'll be here next year and I value

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Speaker 2: You know, And if he signs beyond that, I'm all

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Speaker 3: I just think that, And I think it's appealing that

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Speaker 3: he did play well when he the last we saw

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Speaker 3: him in Black and Gold. Yeah, played well, But I

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Speaker 3: don't know how sustainable that is, right, And It also

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Speaker 3: wasn't you know what did coach Sawmon say last year,

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Speaker 3: We're we're looking for great, right, And that wasn't great.

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Speaker 3: It was better than what was going on at the time.

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Speaker 3: It was good, you know, yeah, it was. It was

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Speaker 3: better than what we had seen. Therefore, people I think

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Speaker 2: But now am I mean I've always liked Mason as

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Speaker 3: Will Fries really only when he's twenty six year old? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Wait, when I get out done with my rookie deal,

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Speaker 3: Right, I get four years my rookie year, then to

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Speaker 3: And you bring this up a lot, and it can't

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Speaker 2: Or take over twenty players every year.

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Speaker 3: You don't let him get the free agency.

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Speaker 2: You know what he is, and he's you know, he's

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Speaker 2: you're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: No, let's just take some take some shots whatever shows up.

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Speaker 3: And if there's any keepers on the group, it's like

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Speaker 2: And the beauty of the one year deal. I know,

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Speaker 3: No, they signed another defensive tackle five minutes ago, who's

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Speaker 2: They brought three. They brought in three defensive linemen in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and those guys are hoping for an injury or

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Speaker 2: Somebody has a rash of injuries. Well, this guy's played

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Speaker 2: That's another or No. That's the thing when I'm checking

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Speaker 2: and all they do is dealing rumors. Yeah, hot Steeler rumor.

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Speaker 2: It's all clickbaits. They do not want to I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's somebody. What can I make up today to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I said something along the lines of,

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Speaker 3: Aunty Johnson is not going to be a Steeler for.

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Speaker 2: Now that I can assure you. That ship is sale.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, but they got to be a raven

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Speaker 2: They flip flopped the pixel. Yeah to your North Carolina right,

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Speaker 2: And as things currently stand, they're gonna they're in line

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Speaker 2: to get a six round pick next year. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: play the comp game for Dante Jackson leaving Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: com game.

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Speaker 3: Is a legit. It's not a loophole. It's just it's

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Speaker 3: an art and you have to be aware of it

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Speaker 3: all the time. Yeah, and they're starting to do it

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Speaker 3: really well. Absolutely. Anyways, let's get to a break.

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Speaker 2: We got the Diana Doom, the Lord of living in

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Speaker 2: his Fears coming up in the next segment. He is

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Speaker 2: Matt Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. This is the

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Speaker 2: Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with

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Speaker 2: more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Nation ratio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly here with the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and we're joined on the Justin Miller hot

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Speaker 2: Line by the Dina Doom, the Lord. We need music

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Speaker 2: for this, we get some like background, like some count

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Speaker 2: Bob Labriola, Editor of Steelers Digestic Steelers dot Com. How

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Speaker 2: you doing labs Vader music?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: There we go, there, there you go, jaws. Now we're

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Speaker 2: all dating ourselves here.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, how you doing labs pretty good?

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Speaker 4: How's uh pretty nice day out?

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Speaker 2: Huh that's beautiful yet put the snowshovel away yet.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well, like you say, yeah, it's in the garage.

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Speaker 4: You know it's handy. But I'm hoping that, h we're

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Speaker 4: done with that.

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Speaker 2: You're hopeing Marianne doesn't have to use it again.

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Speaker 4: Now in the division of labor here, that's my job.

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Speaker 2: Uh Bob. The league coming out today or announcing today

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Speaker 2: some of the potential rule changes that they're going to

472
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Speaker 2: talk about coming up at the owners meetings here in

473
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Speaker 2: about a week and a half. Anything there catch your

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Speaker 2: fancy that you'd like to ud. First of all, did

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Speaker 2: you see it? And be was there anything that cut

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Speaker 2: your cut your eye?

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Speaker 4: Well? Thanks, No, I did not.

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Speaker 2: I didn't either.

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Speaker 3: I didn't open the show asking me, well.

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Speaker 2: There's Steelers.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers.

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Speaker 2: The team actually put out a rule change, potential rule change.

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Speaker 2: That's the one thing I did Steelers have. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: put out or suggested a rule where during the legal

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Speaker 2: tampering period, which right now you can't contact the player

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Speaker 2: at all, You have to go through the agent. Their

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Speaker 2: suggestion is that you get a one call with the

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Speaker 2: player himself that could be a video call or a

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Speaker 2: phone call, and that you can all so set up

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Speaker 2: a trip in not right away, but starting Wednesday, when

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Speaker 2: everything opens up.

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Speaker 3: But the everything could be because.

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Speaker 2: Things are are now. You can't sketch because they're still

494
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Speaker 2: considered another team's player. That seems like a logical move.

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Speaker 2: You can't have any contact with him, and you can't

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Speaker 2: schedule a flight for them and to even come visit.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So if you have a scheme question for them

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Speaker 3: that the that you have no idea agent can't answer,

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Speaker 3: then bed the agent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense to me. And pardon

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Speaker 4: me for being cynical as well, but I think that

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Speaker 4: doesn't happen legalizes. It levels the field for those who.

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Speaker 2: Actually follow the roles. Yeah, who don't want to get

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Speaker 2: doctor third round draft pick or whatever you know for

505
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Speaker 2: running into Tom Brady on a yacht right or it's.

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Speaker 4: Still Cower once said, uh, people who don't want to

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Speaker 4: circumcise the rules.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's one of my favorite. Like I was sitting

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Speaker 2: right behind Cope when he said that. I thought Cope

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Speaker 2: was going to lose his mind. What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: This is not Jewish?

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Speaker 4: That's great, that belongs on the Cope highlight.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that was I just wish at that

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Speaker 2: point we were out of training camp. There are no

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Speaker 2: cameras involved, I don't believe because YouTube, but it's forever

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Speaker 2: edged in or something.

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Speaker 4: I forget the specifics, but yeah, it was a classic class.

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Speaker 2: It's a cowur classic. To circumventing the circumcising the rules

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Speaker 2: that gat uh so, the Packers and we already knew this,

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Speaker 2: have have submitted a proposal to ban the tush push.

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Speaker 2: And essentially what they're looking to do is you can't

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Speaker 2: aid a runner, you can't push him, you can't pick

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Speaker 2: it up and grab him. We'll see where that one goes.

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Speaker 2: But the Lions also suggested a rule that eliminates the

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Speaker 2: automatic first down for defensive holding. M hmm. It's still

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Speaker 2: a five yard penalty, but what they want to get

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Speaker 2: rid of is they don't want the third and fifteen

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Speaker 2: to turn into to turn into an automatic first down

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Speaker 2: because somebody touched somebody to you know, six yards downfield

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Speaker 2: instead of five.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping they would expand it to ilegal contact too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the same thing defensive holding into legal

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Speaker 2: contact both.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah, that makes that makes way too much

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Speaker 4: sense to have any chance. I mean, I agree with that, truly,

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Speaker 4: I would, but I don't think. You know, it's the

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Speaker 4: same thing with the Packers being against the Tush push,

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Speaker 4: the emphasis, the love for offense and everything related to offense.

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Speaker 4: I think, is you know, going to take precedence.

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Speaker 2: But it's a boring play. It's a hard watch.

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Speaker 3: But they do want first downs and touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's a boring play, but you know, it works,

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Speaker 4: and so so far.

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Speaker 2: I think Barkley the ball to the one would work

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Speaker 2: pretty well too. I could be wrong, but I get it.

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Speaker 4: I get it. But the Toush push is pretty much

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Speaker 4: guaranteed either a chain mover or a touchdown scorer, and

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Speaker 4: both of those you don't have the potential for more offense,

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Speaker 4: which you know, the TV networks like, which usually translates

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Speaker 4: into higher viewership, which means more money in the rights contracts.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, again, I'm not arguing.

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Speaker 2: With you, Dale, but I understand, Yeah, there would be.

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Speaker 4: A good idea or makes sense or any of those

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Speaker 4: foolish things, but I just don't. I don't see it

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Speaker 4: having a lot of chance. And with the Toush push too,

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Speaker 4: you know, until I believe that it's going to be legal,

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Speaker 4: until or if somebody can come up with concrete statistics

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Speaker 4: that indicate it puts player safety in jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: Well that's gonna happen. It's gonna have to It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be somebody's quarterback getting hurt doing it.

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Speaker 3: I thought someone would get hurt by now. I thought

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Speaker 3: it was a dangerous play to aid someone from behind

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Speaker 3: that really has no control of their body. And then

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Speaker 3: fortunately no one has gotten hurt. But I bet it

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Speaker 3: takes to that.

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Speaker 4: Let you know, and I'm not wishing this on anybody,

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Speaker 4: but you know what what you're gonna need is Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson. You know, some some big name, some needle

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Speaker 4: mover in terms of you know, viewership and that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing. Has to get injured doing it. I don't

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Speaker 4: even know that. You know, we saw Chris Jones, maybe

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Speaker 4: he injured his neck in the Super Bowl or it

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Speaker 4: seemed to be something. I don't know that it even

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Speaker 4: an All Pro defensive lineman is enough to get the

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Speaker 4: rule get a rule change there. I really think it

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Speaker 4: has to be uh, you know again, I'm going back

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Speaker 4: to the emphasis preference for offense. It's going to have

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Speaker 4: to be a big name quarterback and you know, I

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Speaker 4: I again, that's I agree. I mean that used to

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Speaker 4: be illegal, aiding pushing a running back forward.

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Speaker 3: I never realized when it went away. It kind of

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Speaker 3: went away with a whimper, and.

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Speaker 4: Then yeah, it just kind of did.

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Speaker 2: It was in the mid It's probably about maybe eight

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Speaker 2: years ago, somewhere in that range where they decided it

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Speaker 2: was okay. And to your point, Bob, they don't do

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Speaker 2: that with Mahomes. No, they bring in they bringing a

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Speaker 2: backup tight end to do it. The Ravens don't do

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Speaker 2: that with Jackson. They bring it, they bring in, they

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Speaker 2: let Andrews do it. Yeah, like, if you have to

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Speaker 2: bring in another player to do these things, then it

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be legal because they're worried about that, because you're

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Speaker 2: worried about them getting hurt, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And but I mean again, kudos to the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: and the Ravens for you know, protecting their guys. Ye,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't change the fact that the play itself

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Speaker 4: will remain legal until it can be proven to be

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Speaker 4: a hindrance to player safety or threatening player safety. And

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Speaker 4: so you know, teams are the teams that do it

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Speaker 4: and are good at it. You know, circumcise the rules

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Speaker 4: and have found a way to keep everybody healthy doing it.

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Speaker 4: And you know, again, I I just I don't see

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Speaker 4: it being outlawed without that.

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Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't see any difference between doing well.

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Speaker 2: There's a big difference between doing that and doing a

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Speaker 2: quarterback sneak and that you're you're seeing this quarterback from

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Speaker 2: behind the.

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Speaker 3: Aole key to me is aiding a ball career, to me,

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Speaker 3: should be illegal. Like even if it's a running back

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Speaker 3: that gets free in the open field, a safety draft

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Speaker 3: is dragging them down to two and a guard comes

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Speaker 3: along and throws them in the end zone, I don't

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Speaker 3: think that should be a touchdow either, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, because it seems to me that NFL officials have

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Speaker 4: really swallowed a whistle when it comes to blowing forward progress. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, because again going back to the offensive thing,

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Speaker 4: I think they're reluctant to do that because once forward

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Speaker 4: progress has whistled to have stopped, than anything that happens

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Speaker 4: after that does not count. And then it becomes when

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Speaker 4: when did the whistle blow to signify forward progress was stopped?

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Speaker 4: And where was the guy in the ball at that

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Speaker 4: specific moment? So hey, maybe the real answers get better officials.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there, there could be that. But the Buffalo or yeah,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo is proposed making the overtime rules the same in

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Speaker 2: their regular season as they are for overtime in the

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Speaker 2: playoffs as well. And I mean there's a reason why

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Speaker 2: they cut the overtime rules in the game going so long.

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Speaker 2: They don't want Yeah, they don't want games, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: taking all that extra time up. You know, it's been

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Speaker 2: ten minutes now since twenty seventeen. It was only when

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Speaker 2: you know, Buffalo and Kansas City had that playoff game

632
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Speaker 2: shortly thereafter that they changed the playoff rule that both

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Speaker 2: teams got the ball once. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: going to have any traction. I don't see it.

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Speaker 4: I don't see any anything wrong.

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Speaker 3: With ties regular nor do I no, right.

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Speaker 4: Because in large part those are also definitive in terms

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Speaker 4: of setting pecking.

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Speaker 3: Order, right, tie breakers at the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: They eliminate a lot of need for tie breakers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 4: One team in a division has a tie you know that,

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Speaker 4: and that team is that team virtually cannot be in

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Speaker 4: a tiebreaker, right.

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Speaker 3: So, labs, we were just talking, you know, they're not

646
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: huge moves. Louder Milk, these two other defensive tackles the

647
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Speaker 3: Steelers signed and Dal and I even mentioned these guys

648
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: aren't even guaranteed roster spots. But do you look anything

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Speaker 3: into that. I mean, just the last twenty four hours,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's three new defensive linemen on

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Speaker 3: the team.

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Speaker 4: I've been beating the drum for defensive linemen for a

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Speaker 4: long time. Yet, I mean, they're they're not guaranteed to

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Speaker 4: be on the team, so therefore there is no very

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Speaker 4: little or no guaranteed money attached.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're slappies, but they're you know, I

657
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Speaker 3: get it.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

659
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Speaker 4: But you're not. You're not you're not committing a significant

660
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: cap space. You know, rosters are ninety right now. I mean,

661
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: you know, you got roster space for everything, and who knows,

662
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Speaker 4: maybe some of these guys don't even get the training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I say, have a good preseason and

664
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Speaker 3: maybe you flip one into a seventh round pick a

665
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Speaker 3: team that's low on d lineman or whatever.

666
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Speaker 4: Right whatever. Yeah, So speaking of the draft, I see,

667
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: you know Dale, I know that you're you follow Matt

668
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Speaker 4: Williamson on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Religiously absolutely as everyone should do.

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Speaker 4: As do I and today six hours ago. Yeah, yes, yeah,

671
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Speaker 4: and not only are you finally coming around to the

672
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Speaker 4: defensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: I think you're giving me a little a little late

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Speaker 3: to give me credit on that one. We've been talking

675
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Speaker 3: d line on this show now.

676
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: For but I'm not letting you off that easy trading back, Yeah,

677
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: to pick the defensive lineman. And this you know, as

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Speaker 4: I've I've quoted Dan Rooney many times. This that is

679
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Speaker 4: fine because the draft, the pick I'm looking at is

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Speaker 4: Derek Harmon. Okay, if you could guarantee me you get

681
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Speaker 4: Derek Carmon at thirty three, I'll make that trade. But

682
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Speaker 4: if it's one of those ones where we're looking to

683
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Speaker 4: win the draft, hey, look at this, we got an

684
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Speaker 4: extra pick, but we ended up not missing out on

685
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Speaker 4: a guy who's considered a top, top shelf defensive lineman.

686
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Speaker 4: Then that's trying to win the drafting to win the

687
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl. And if you can get Derek Harmon twenty one,

688
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Speaker 4: pick him.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing that the Flying You oint went to

690
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Speaker 2: that is they don't have a second round pick right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to create a little more draft cat if

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Speaker 2: you can, if you can move back a few picks

693
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Speaker 2: still get one of the let's say you have three

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Speaker 2: defensive linemans you have and that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: When it came up to twenty one, Grant, my favorite

696
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Speaker 3: was gone, and then there was a couple that I

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Speaker 3: was happy with.

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Speaker 2: Or even a roll die. If I can even just

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Speaker 2: get a high third just to recoup that pick that

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Speaker 2: the you lost in trading for Metcalf, that's a win win.

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Speaker 3: But Dale, I did make a mortal sin that we

702
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Speaker 3: never do. I made a deal with a Brownie.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's gonna happen. Yeah, can't do that.

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Speaker 4: Because I mean, if you can trade back, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think it was three spots and still get Casey

706
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: Hampton like they didn't was their guy. Or in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and six, I forget exactly how many numbers they

708
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Speaker 4: traded back, but they needed a receiver and they still got.

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Speaker 2: Antonio who he's like four spots or something like that.

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Speaker 4: When far Yeah, I mean that's okay, I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, yeah, maybe it's a good trade or yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe it's manipulating the process of the draft. In a

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Speaker 4: you know, smart scout kind of way where you know,

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Speaker 4: you get some kudos from mel Kiper and the people

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Speaker 4: in that industry. But for me, the draft I think

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Speaker 4: is ultimately judged by who you got with the pist

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Speaker 4: that you had, not how you moved around. Uh and

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Speaker 4: you know and made some either created more picks for

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Speaker 4: yourself or moved around in the draft. You know, I

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Speaker 4: don't know that anybody looks at a draft, you know,

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Speaker 4: for example, the two thousand and three Steelers draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they traded up in the first round or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: if you don't get Troy and he doesn't turn out

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Speaker 4: to be a Hall of Fame player, that that you

725
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 4: get no, you know, get no credit for that. I

726
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Speaker 4: don't think you know just that move or right, if

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00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: you know you didn't get him or you I don't

728
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: think you deserve any credit for that move either. So

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Speaker 4: I'm just giving you a little bit a hard time there.

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Speaker 3: Williamson, I got Williamson NFL. If you guys want to

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Speaker 3: chime in, you know, to give me a follow.

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Speaker 2: Well, Bob, so we just we just did our latest

733
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Speaker 2: triple take mock draft yesterday, and uh, the other guy,

734
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Speaker 2: the other guy who's not in this room took a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He yeah, he took Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: He took Jackson Dart at twenty one without a trade down,

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Speaker 2: without a trade down, just took him. Would you be

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Speaker 2: in on that?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I would not. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think he's at DRIV.

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Speaker 4: You want to chime in, yeah, you know, I also

742
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Speaker 4: want how many? How many Monck drafts are you guys done?

743
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Speaker 4: And how many more? Will you?

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Speaker 2: Eight thousand?

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Speaker 4: Yet that maybe you don't want to let me say this.

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Speaker 4: If it's for entertainment purposes, hey have at it. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying in real life, I would not be

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Speaker 4: in favor of Jackson Dart with the twenty first overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Nor would I not same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, but I understand the business too, fellas.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and that's on Steelers dot com.

752
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Speaker 4: So woe be me to criticize something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we make it clear they are not the thoughts, Yes,

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Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Definitely.

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00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: There's a disclaimer two or three times on that video.

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Speaker 2: And I honestly I don't know how much real thought

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Speaker 2: Mike put into actually doing that mock draft.

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Speaker 4: But hey, hey, you know, I know you two guys too.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know how much thought any of you

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Speaker 4: guys beyond the entertainment value.

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Speaker 2: Beyond the entertain it's just something to talk about. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we people ask us all the time, why

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Speaker 2: do you guys do so many mock drafts. I'm like,

765
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Speaker 2: it gives us the opportunity to go through a lot

766
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Speaker 2: of different scenarios learn the players, because okay, this guy's

767
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: who is this guy? You get to you get to

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Speaker 2: the spot where you're drafting, and like, I don't know

769
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Speaker 2: anything about that guy. You haven't watched any tape on him.

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Speaker 2: So then I go home that night and watch tape

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Speaker 2: on him.

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Speaker 3: We also got to fill thirty of these segments a week, labs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Understand, I understand. I mean, how many hours a day

775
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Speaker 4: do you guys do?

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Speaker 2: Two hours a day, just five days a week, two

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Speaker 2: hours a day.

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Speaker 4: That's ten hours, right, that's that's.

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Speaker 3: And we appreciate you coming on giving us a little

780
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Speaker 3: halfway through the week to ease them.

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Speaker 4: That's spreading a lot of minor.

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Speaker 3: You can only talk about Isaiah Laudermilk for so long,

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Speaker 3: you know.

784
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Speaker 4: Right, exactly exactly and no offense and.

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Speaker 2: Right, so Bob. There was one other proposal, and I

786
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: saved this from for last for a reason, the lions

787
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: of all teams have proposed to amend the by laws

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Speaker 2: to allow wild card teams to be seated higher than

789
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Speaker 2: division winners if the wild card team has a better record.

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Speaker 4: Sorry no, yeah, value to winning.

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Speaker 2: Your division there should be anyways, Yes.

792
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: You know that's that's one of those losers laments.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, they're not even a team to get well.

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Speaker 2: I think they look.

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Speaker 4: Around and say, or the C y a situation and.

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Speaker 3: Now the NFC North looks like the a f C.

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Speaker 3: Here's why are you come in second?

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Speaker 2: I went the you can't. Next year the NFC West

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Speaker 2: in their crossover games plays the a f C South.

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Speaker 2: In the NFC South, it's their year they could have.

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Speaker 2: I don't think all four of their teams are the

802
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: best teams in the league, but they could. They could

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Speaker 2: stack a bunch of pretty cheap wins.

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Speaker 3: Maybe get three wild cards out of there.

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00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Gets because they get they got the draw this year.

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00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah. Why should the team that wins the

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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: a f C North that you know ten and seven

808
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: maybe be penalized because, as you mentioned, an a f

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00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: C another a FC division is playing you know, a

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00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 4: slappy cross conference and with it interconference schedule. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I I've never been in favor of that. I think

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Speaker 4: winning the division is a worthwhile accomplishment. And if you

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Speaker 4: win your division, you get the first you get to

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Speaker 4: get over, you get to be seated over a wildcard

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Speaker 4: team forever throughout the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: And the team builder and me loves the teams build

817
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Speaker 3: their team to win their division, you know what I mean.

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00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: How do you beat the Bengals? How do you beat

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Speaker 3: the Browns? How do you beat the Ravens?

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Speaker 4: You know, and and it and it also I think

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Speaker 4: adds to the attraction of division games, you know. And

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Speaker 4: then we're back to the TV and back to the eyeballs,

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Speaker 4: you know, because you can always put this from the

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Speaker 4: NFL standpoint, from the network's, the broadcast partner's standpoint. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can always put Steelers Ravens on. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: which day, which time, Steelers Ravens you know, will draw

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Speaker 4: excuse me, will draw eyeballs. Now well as of late,

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00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: you can do the same thing with Lions, Vikings, maybe

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Speaker 4: Lions Packers, you know, Vikings Packers. Those games are you know,

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00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: high in interest level and high in importance because you

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Speaker 4: know their quality teams.

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Speaker 2: So because the winner of the division is going to

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Speaker 2: get a home game.

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Speaker 4: Right, and you don't you know, I remember back in

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Speaker 4: the you know, the two thousands, the early the first

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Speaker 4: half of the two thousands, from like you know, one

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00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: to nine or ten, you know a lot of times

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00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: the second Steelers Ravens game. The only point of that

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Speaker 4: was determining the site for the third game the playoffs, right,

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00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: because it was gonna one of the one of the

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00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: teams was going to win the division and the other

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00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: one was not. And so you're eight that that second

843
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 4: Steelers Ravens game. Uh, the Steelers ended up winning three

844
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: from the Ravens that year. But my recollection is if

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00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: they had lost that game in December in Baltimore, they

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00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 4: might not have won the division.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: There should be a reward for winning your division. The

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00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: reward shouldn't be, oh, you get to go to Buffalo

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: or Kansas City, is you know a wild card team?

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00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, But Bob, we're out of time here.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you stopping by as usual, We need now,

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Speaker 2: we need the music, right, but we'll talk to you soon. Labs.

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Speaker 2: He is Bob Labriola, editor of Steelers Digested, Steelers dot Com.

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00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Good stuff there as usual from Labs. He's Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Wallings and you need your own music too.

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Speaker 2: We all show our walk up music, right, yeah, walk

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Speaker 2: up music anyways.

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Speaker 3: I will say when I used to go on with

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Speaker 3: stand every Friday at one twenty for twenty years in

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Speaker 3: a row, he'd always play x'es and o's xs and

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Speaker 3: the O o's whatever. That tune is good stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he knows it's a pretty big hit.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone. Most people don't. You probably didn't do

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Speaker 2: it much justice. I'll stick to watching players and chatting

873
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: on the radio. Yeah, you're singing talents leave a little

874
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: bit to be designed.

875
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, building anything or singing anything is just stay with

876
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: your wheelhouse, right self scouting.

877
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: Anyways, So again, just to carry over the conversation from

878
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: what we were just talking about with Labs, I don't

879
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: expect that that playoff format change.

880
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: No, that makes sense.

881
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: That's the way that the NFL has all like since

882
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: they first started, Like wildcard, the wild card first started

883
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: in the seventies. Yeah, he used to be only your

884
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: division champions went to the playoffs. And then they said, oh,

885
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: we got to expand this little bit because we have

886
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: some good second place teams. Were a good second place

887
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: team that's being left out.

888
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: That's good television and people to tune in.

889
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: And so now we get instead of three or three

890
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: playoff teams from each conference, now we get four. And

891
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 2: then they decided, well let's make it two wild cards.

892
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: But it's the wild card has always been second place

893
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: finisher or a third place finisher. That's that's going on

894
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: the road. You should feel if you're a wildcard team,

895
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: you should be at disdvantage. You're just happy to be there, right.

896
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I firmly believe that if you win your division,

897
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 3: you should get a reward game. I mean, even if

898
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: it's a terrible what was Seattle that won, but they

899
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: were the best team in their division that they built

900
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: their team to win you know, I mean, they they

901
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: spent the off season, how do I win the NFC West?

902
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: And they did, and though it was a bad division,

903
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: even if it's the NFC South or whatever. No, I mean,

904
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: And it's funny it comes from the Lions, like all

905
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: of a sudden, their division is probably the best in

906
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: the league, and they're like, well, we're pretty good, but

907
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: we don't want to come in second. What if we'd

908
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: the lost of the Vikes? We saw what happened to them,

909
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: don't that happened to us? Have to go on the road.

910
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want to go to Tampa Bay, right,

911
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: I want to go.

912
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: So far ever, right, even though we're maybe even the

913
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: second best team in the conference.

914
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: Well, if you're the second best team in the conference,

915
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: go win a damn playoff game on the road.

916
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah right, you know, no, I think that's

917
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: a no brainer to me.

918
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't think that's going to get any traction.

919
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: That other stuff. We'll see, you know, we'll see whether

920
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: I've long been a proponent of the that. You know,

921
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: you get a defensive holding call on Yeah, that's a

922
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: good third and twenty, Like, come on, man, that's not

923
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: an automatic first down.

924
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: You mentioned this last week too, and I know that

925
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: they're considering tinkering with the kickoff rule too.

926
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just moving it back to competition committee stuff. There'll

927
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: be there'll be some more rule changes changes come out

928
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: from the Competition Committee, and they'll meet at the at

929
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: the meetings un as well.

930
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: It all happens at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

931
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: But I'm all for that for the kickoff rule too.

932
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: But I like your call on defensive holding. I mean,

933
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: for that to be an automatic first down sometimes pulls

934
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: your hair out, even if you're the team that benefits.

935
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes you're like, we didn't really earn that.

936
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: If it's third and six and you I still don't

937
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: like it, right, give me third and sixteen? Yeah, you know.

938
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: And it's a ticky tag and it doesn't happen all

939
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: that often, but it does happen, it does it? Does it?

940
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: Just I hate that rule too.

941
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan. I bet that one gets changed.

942
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I just even if it's just

943
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: a one, We're gonna try this for one year to

944
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: see how it works. I'm all for it.

945
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: I'm also with labs that I'm not a push push fan,

946
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: and I don't think you should aid ball carriers ever,

947
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's gonna get changed, probably not,

948
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, I think they want more points.

949
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: I think somebody is gonna have to get hurt before

950
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: they can before it changes.

951
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: And I'm shocked they haven't. I'm glad they haven't, but

952
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: I'm also part of me is like, well, if they

953
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: had by now, maybe wouldn't watch this rugby play.

954
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that's gonna do it for our number one,

955
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: nice Matt and I will be back with our number

956
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: two with a drive right after this